/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Big fat divs post now

>>2882211
The idea is stock prices are tied to supply/demand and dividends will fluctuate more heavily on a daily basis tied more directly to performance.
So now you're incentivized to buy a coin you assume will pay a good dividend that day and sell coins you think will give a worse one, but you can go to sleep instead of staying up for the mass sell-off at adjustment time.
If you get left holding the bag and can't sell the stock then you'll benefit from the oshi interest each day you hold onto that stock so the losses are less severe.
This might result in anons holding a stock they didn't even care about long-term and getting some sentimental value out of it that leads them to appreciate the vtuber more.

You can still make money in this system by daytrading but you can also make money holding onto coins long term.

BIG FAT DIVIDENDS
(shame about the stock price)

Takodachi of the world, INVEST!

>>2882334
Also admittedly this system would make the whole game more casual most likely, since the goal is to appreciate Holos and not necessarily to be an accurate stock market simulator.
If you want it to be more interesting you could also include negative adjustments where players lose money instead of receiving a dividend.
Idunno, I just think this would solve a lot of the volatility problem around adjustment time but also don't know the full effects it'd have on the economy. It'd also make inflation a lot worse probably, especially for the top ranked players, so it might not work out.

>>2882388
I have no money.

>>2882404
>also include negative adjustments where players lose money instead of receiving a dividend.
This reminds me, I've got to know. Did you make divs not go into the negatives after the matusuri incident or was it already implemented that way? I was super excited to see the absolute shitfest that would be negative divs robbing tummyerotic of everything he had.

I just want to get paid for hoarding oshi, she got the 5th lowest dividend because nobody watches her.

>>2882435
That was only adjustment wasn't it? It was midweek.

I still feel bummed about my Coco coins..
I just want to enjoy her new outfits and Chink to finally got blocked hard this time

Replace Haato coin with Aria coin.

>>2882478
shouldn't it have happened to fubuki this week? she's still down 8 million views

>>2882478
The adjustment was negative, but her growth over the 7 day period was in the negatives. I guess the algo doesn't worth in a way that would cause that to impact it

I am here to inform all players, please sell all your Polkacoins, thank you.

I just assumed dividends were never able to be negative, or it was fixed when they fixed Matsuri. FBK still had a good return this week so I do wonder what's going on there.

Add Limit Orders you cuck, don't ignore me. They only need to query the server once, at the end of each broker cycle the price points the stock was bought/sold at are checked (ignoring any data points before the order was placed) and if the value meets/exceeds the order then it goes through at the set price.

>>2882435
It was designed that way from the beginning, it wouldn't make sense for divs to go negative and have you pay for the coin. Also didn't want to see people literally neck themselves over having to pay everything they owned because of a deleted VOD.
>>2882465
I think I'll try to have a system whereby you get paid a percentage of the mean coin value depending on how loyal you are to your oshii, based on % held and number held, I don't know we have to think it through. Implementation will also take some time. Honestly most of the time we spend on a new update is trying to think of the best way to implement it and make it viable in the current economy, and even then, as the latest update showed, we often don't get it just right. We tried making things open source for a while but people just started to post shit they dug up from the source code rather than helping develop it which is we took it down from open source.

>>2882537
>oshii again
you fucking

>>2882536
I haven't ignored you, implementing that just takes a while. I think I mentioned last thread we were thinking about implementing that, it just takes some thought as to how to deal with it as it goes past one cycle. Do we carry over? Perhaps we let you choose how many cycles it carries over for.
>>2882556
Fucking hell, I don't know why I'm typing it like that now.

>>2882537
>It was designed that way from the beginning, it wouldn't make sense for divs to go negative and have you pay for the coin. Also didn't want to see people literally neck themselves over having to pay everything they owned because of a deleted VOD.
So you did consider the situation when designing it. I was fucking hoping to see the pink that would have caused. Good it didn't happen but the situation would have been a fucking peak for this thread.

>>2882586
Isnt that what happened tonight though? I don't imagine any Matsuri/Fubuki collapse would've been worse than all of us getting royally assfucked by zhonk destroying Coco's stock.

>>2882574
You WILL stop calling my oshi "regrettable", "disappointing" and "unfortunate"

>>2882622
It would have been a different sort of assfucking. Most players wouldn't be affected by it but people like tummyerotic would have gotten like 100k or something into debt. Then when fbk got her vids killed it would have then generated some naturally produced quality memes out of the thread as well

Coco now has more daily buys than sells, what the fuck are you people doing? I don't mind, get her back to my cost basis and I'm happy.

>>2882671
It makes sense because she was never gonna stay a $1600 coin

Ringo... What are you trying to do....

>>2882694
I suppose so, I just expected people to hold off until we maybe got something fixed.

>>2882720
I'll hold until next surge, it can't be worst right?

>>2882720
If nothing gets fixed I actually can't imagine why you'd hold a stock like Coco that tends to spike at specific times of the week. Everyone sees it coming and will crash the price after meme review adjustment.

I just want a refund for all my Coco bags I'm left holding that will never turn a profit because of that.

>>2882720
If you buy now when it gets "fixed" it's pure profit bro.

>>2882775
I was thinking that too, it'd have to be handled different to Matsuri but I can't even begin to imagine how you'd do it.

>>2882720
Did honk or dev even want to fix coco at this point?

I don't mind personally but I imagine it really fucked a lot of lower people, it'll recover but they're missing the profits and the opportunity cost.

>>2882851
I worked for like 4 days to go from the $15k I started with to $80k and then lost $30k in the span of seconds with no warning or patch notes.
Pretty damn bullshit and I probably won't continue if it's not fixed. It's not like it was just Coco though anyone who did a mass sale of each of their assets when adjustment hit lost all their money because everything was absolutely worthless.

>>2882820
Devchama here, I want to fix it but it's going to be through adjustments unless I can figure out another solution that is fast to implement and won't fuck over people who have been trading currently. The fix might not satisfy people though which is why I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how best to unfuck it. For now I recommend holding the coin. As for buying, I'd buy if I think she's not overvalued.
>>2882887
I don't know anon, what would you want as a fix? I can't damn well roll back anything now and I may not have time to implement something more complex but I welcome your suggestions.

Keep selling Coco I will hold your bags anons

>>2882310

Some kind of adjustment or a manual changing of the price like Matsuri could work, it means people lose the money from the first coin they sold but I doubt anyone kept selling after they saw what happened so that loss is pretty universal and thus can be ignored. The only problem with this is that the people who have kept buying her are going to make out like gangbusters, it'll be far more egregious than the get paid $600 to buy a matsuri that we got last week. I honestly have no idea what would be fairest.

>>2882914
Well I'm waiting then, it's really heartbreaking because I'm not a big player and just had some fun going all in based solely on their performance.
Can't do much now as I'm on big minus growth and still trying to figure out what's happening. Anyway best of luck to you.

were gonna make it boys

i dont care about profits, i just want to hold these two coins. get in now because i'm pumping these two

Wait, I just realised - after update prices will adjust first, and then pending sellings will be calculated, using new prices?

>>2883137
TEAM SEX

>>2882914
Idk maybe you could manually set the price of the coin to $3k and let the broker buy them for the full price for 24 hours. That's how much she was worth before the adjustment so we'd at least be able to break even. Or just deposit $1k per coin into every Coco holder's account and let them keep the coin since she's currently at $2k.
The people who are buying them up might make a huge profit but that's not a big deal. I don't even care about making a profit or getting all the money back, just being able to break even is fine.

>>2883216
Might just set her price to be static but IDK about 24 hrs, seems like it would be too many cycles, I might just make it so the price is fixed after the next adjustment for a cycle. IDK, I still have to talk this through with the rest of the people on the team.

I just bought a Risu, nobody sold one in the cycle and her total number of shares is the same.

>>2883277
Problem is if you do it next adjustment everyone will have a full day to buy up her coins in anticipation making the profiteering a lot more egregious.
I don't know how easy it is to just give people money but that's the best way to do it with no warning.

>>2883338
I'd have to make an algorithm to collect a list of users affected and give them refunds on an individual basis, it's a little bit of a struggle since I'd have to find the transactions that made up that specific cycle in History. Might just be the way to do it though.

Okay Noel "SOVL OF HOLOLIVE" is streaming right now

BUY BUY BUY

>fuck up the volatility
>price drops
>unfuck the volatility
>price has no way to bounce back now

This is fucked beyond repair. The only way to fix this is to just reset the whole day.
And for the love of god remove that retarded cycle price adjustment system. No one wants to sit around timing cycle starts. Are you purposely making this a bot game or what?

Id be fine selling all my orange woman at mean purchase or 2.7k

>>2883433
4.4k live viewers... Anonchama I dont think I can hold these bags anymore

post dev discord link plos

>>2883808
Thread is pretty dead than usual, I think some anon took a break because coco or just waiting for tomorrow.

>>2883991
I bought 5 this morning, she didn't stream yesterday and might be getting a sub tick today.

>>2883808
Anon, adjustment "fix" is for that purpose and I'm writing a transaction rollback function to allow us to undo the transactions in that cycle immediately after the update (though without adjusting the prices) so as to unfuck the people who sold right in that cycle. Also, you don't have to sit around timing a cycle start, you can just purchase/sell looking at the queue page if you really care about optimizing your gains and buy when a lot of people are selling/sell when a lot of people are buying.

Which of you are buying Pekora at 3,315 LMAO

>>2884237
>rollback function to allow us to undo the transactions in that cycle immediately after the update (though without adjusting the prices)
So people are still going to be left with shitty prices, but hey at least they can get their bags back and sell them at 30% and not 50% loss. Great.

>you can just purchase/sell looking at the queue page if you really care about optimizing your gains and buy when a lot of people are selling/sell when a lot of people are buying
Sure sounds like a fun game about holos performance. Totally not about waiting for the most optimal queue before every move. Not something bots would excel at all.

>>2884106
Honestly I'm a bit hesistant on buying Noel now, last time she streamed for 280k views and got a sub tick she only went up by 200. I think previously when she had the english streams her growth rate exploded and now her normal growth rate cant match that so her adjustments suck.

>>2884424
I'm already reconsidering it, Noel karaoke is such a debuff, I actually had to turn it off. If you're the guy with 20 something coins you made a killing in dividends at least.

You can sell any Haachama you have, she's never coming back.

>>2884336
I do, so I can sell when it's low

>>2884414
Adjustments are there for a purpose, you can buy when you expect the prices to go up or when you believe the market itself will take the prices up and sell at the peak. If you want to optimize you need to look at queue, and while yes, bots succeed at that better, how is it any different from before? It also becomes more about looking at who's being overhyped and underhyped which would still require you to know about their performance. Generally speaking the prices won't shift that much unless there's a ton of people buying/selling at the same time. Dividends will still pay out at the end of each week so that's still based on performance. I'm open to suggestions about what you think we could do to increase the amount of influence the Holo's performance.
What else would you want us to do to fix the Coco bags anyways? Just set the price to the pre-update price and roll back the transactions? Then people who bought in now get to profit off the back of that, if you're okay with that then sure, we can roll with that.

>>2884559
Buying high and selling low strategy only worked with Popping the Bubble v1.0.0

>>2884587
I've been buying Coco all morning so yes do that please.

rropeman here, i'll never lose anything now

>>2884618
I've tried that strategy before, trust me it doesn't work as well as you think it does. Unless your intention is stay at the same price forever then by all means, go for it.

>>2884618
I don't think that's how spread betting works

>>2884686
It will work now, trust me

>>2884618
Your growth would be too slow if you spread out like that. It won't be great too if somehow the whole market is bearish.

After 21 buys I have successfully increased the price of Risu by $77. Top 10 doesn't stand a chance against this kind of pump.

So? Is Aria confirmed to be Haachama now? Can we replace Haato coin with Aria coin?

https://streamable.com/tlinrm
https://streamable.com/tlinrm
https://streamable.com/tlinrm

>>2884858
Are asking for a challenge anon?

>>2883317
Risu stock is always climbing, she's rather good at it.

>>2884881
Oh god, that laugh.

>>2884881
Fuck no how else will I gamble fucking everything by investing all my divs into haatocoin until she either returns or graduates.

>>2884686
You are implying you can still hoard coins and still make a profit now.

>>2884587
>how is it any different from before?
What's the point in the change then? Other than making people annoyed that they're not getting their coins at the expected price?
Just to incentivize people to not invest in coins on the rise? 9 times out of 10 you're probably not gonna guess when the peak is coming, so it's still better to go with the flow, unless the coin is ridiculously overvalued. And in that case you probably weren't gonna buy it adjustment or not.

>What else would you want us to do to fix the Coco bags anyways?
Like I said just reset the whole day if it's possible.

>Sell something
>Lose my net worth
Nice fucking game

>>2885133
The point in the change was to make the market less easy to make money in. People were complaining there wasn't any way to lose money, also wanted to bring back the queue again and re-enable that type of autism for the autists that wanted to play the day-trading markets. It wasn't the best implemented I admit, or rather the timing was off when we released it.
As to resetting the day, at this point it's not very possible, lots of shit would have to be rolled back for which we'd have to code rollback functions for. It's not technically impossible it'd just take too long for it to be feasible.

Pekora streaming Minecraft BUY BUY BUY

>havent been playing the game much
>want to stay up to reset
>fall asleep on laptop waking up at 3am
>go back to sleep
>wake up
>check coco
>bogged
why

mamma mia that was a hectic day

>>2885299
Accident basically. Devs rolled out an economy update a few minutes before the adjustment, causing everyone to get bogged. Don't worry, devchama said he is working on a compensation and suggested to hold your Coco coins.

>>2885214
the profile is fucked, trust only in the leaderboard for your net worth

>>2885299
Update made prices too volatile and the sell after the adjustment literally bogged Coco to hell. Devs said the adjustment would at least kind of unfuck the price.

>>2885299
Honk is Chinese and he wanted to bogg all CoCo buyers

>>2884881
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>2885214
Check the leaderboard, the profile doesn't show the real net worth if you buy/sell in the current cycle. Either wait until the end of the cycle or check your net worth in the leaderboard.

You're far better off if you're coming into it now than you would have been at adjustment time, trust me.

>>2885324
i only sold one of mine so far so i guess i'll be fine we should be able to cancel orders

>>2885324
>>2885407
Proof btw:
>>2880590
>Devchama here, working on an indirect fix for it.
>>2882914
>For now I recommend holding the coin.

>>2885367
Done larping?

>>2885126
Yes? There are opportunities to make money that way right now.

>>2885591
You are under the impression that you can hoard coins and still sell them with profit. Devs have confirmed that coin hoarders will be bagholders

>>2885591
You are under the impression that you can hoard coins and still sell them with profit after adjustment. Devs have confirmed that coin hoarders will be bagholders

honestly, the only thing people should be doing now is buying as much coco while its 2200 as they can. Devs are going to compensate people with coco, so stock up now to cash in.

>>2885703
Anon, you misunderstand what I was initially saying, I was saying that that strategy doesn't effectively gain you any passive income from people buying the same coins

>>2885703
Which is going to result in people selling before adjustment instead, or at any point in the day they believe to be the high. I think what we're going to see tonight is the big coins going sideways at adjustment and the middle field ones that people didn't pump as hard reaping the most profit, stuff like $LION, $CLWN, $AZKI. You can still build up big positions but you have to unwind them over a longer period to avoid tanking anything. As fucked as last night was, after the change to the volatility numbers I think we're going to see some really interesting things.
>>2885784
>he didn't buy it at 1600
dev has floated a few ideas, I wouldn't double down too hard, the fact that people are buying now and could abuse any change has already been discussed extensively.

>>2885848
Shut the fuck up about Azki please I'm still establishing my position

>>2885848
I got some at 1600 with the cash I had, but even at 2200, coco is undervalued.

Watching people post things like X IS SINGING BUY BUY BUY when I'd done my twittet reps and had started buying 2 hours earlier is one of the most autistic satisfying things about this game.

>>2885848
>stuff like $LION, $CLWN
Do we know what happens when they under perform compared to yesterday?

>>2885848
Shut your fucking mouth about the one I'm trying to buy, you nigger.

clown and lion seem extremely overvalued, given that they are having normal streams
>at 1:06am adjustment
>clown: 1484
>lion: 1260
Don't think you guys should be hyping this up

>>2886091
This anon is right, sell all your clown and lion

I'm not trying to instill FUD in clown or lion necessarily, it's your investment, but clown is already approaching 1.5x her 1:06am adjustment right now. Do you guys think she is gonna pull off record numbers or something? Her stream has been up for 10 minutes and there are 400 people in here roughly.

>>2886307
we like the stock

>>2885949
adjustments are essentially the same, if they under perform the price is going to drop, but the change is it will not drop on top of the market drop due to people selling. I.e.; performance would cause a coin to drop 25% from 2k to 1.5k. If users oversell it to 1000 because of the predicted drop it will adjust sideways. If users drive it down 20% to 1.6k then the coin will adjust only the remaining 5%. If people buy instead or the price remains steady the coin will adjust the full 25%.

The equivalent system is also in place in case of positive adjustments.

I kindly remind you all >>2884420

>>2886555
Don't buy Towa

>>2886555
Are you "Imyourtarget"?

Invested to increase my oshicoin to double what it was in the portfolio, rose 20k and 2 places now that's a

GOOD
INVESTMENT

Personally think the devs should have stopped selling/buying CoCo after the first Cycle. Reimbursed the people who bought Coco at 2.7k price or something and let Coco adjust a day.

Mr.Koro... my heart... my money....

>>2886956
The system doesn't seem to keep memory of transactions

>>2887105
It clearly does. I can see every single transaction from the past day.

>>2887105
It does. There are discrepancies but it's almost complete.

Finally back. Now for the 15% from adjustments that got wiped out instantly.

>largely a dead week
>meanwhile the most hectic day in game and all the holos decide to stream at the same time

>>2889271
>ll the holos decide to stream at the same time
weekends are always like this, anon.

>>2889329
I lost track of time and forgot it was the weekend

I was on twitter all morning and it looked like it would be pretty quiet, FBK and Mio were doing an IRL thing, then they all dropped fucking JST 10pm or later streams with an hours notice and completely blew up my plans for the day.

>he trades 2~14 minutes after the cycle update hits
enjoy your stress

VTube Token partnership wen sirs

Update made me a day trader cos I'm confused on what to do now.

Can we freeze trading for like 3 hours, it's wrestling time.

>>2890101
Update made me inactive because I don't see how the game is related to Hololive anymore.
Individual performance is irrelevant since the movement per cycle of a stock will cancel out any potential adjustment boost unless the adjustment is massive, and even those are cancelled out entirely within 2 cycles.
I don't really feel like sitting in the queue watching buy/sell orders instead of watching my oshi's stream.

>>2891730
I thought I was the only one.
This, I love the concept before new updates, now it just pure day trading with almost no impact from Chuuba performance.
I know daily adjustment still on but their effect got wiped just from few cycles, If dev still doesn't change this for the next adjustment then I will drop this completely.
I still have some hope and will wait for tomorrow.

>40 shares increase price by $400
Lmao literally cant hold more than 2 coins now

>>2890101
update made me stop daytrading
tomorrow's adjustment is when i'll be able to comprehend the full scope of this update

were any users notably affected by the algo change to be worth showing the history of? the blip on my graph is pretty funny but I'm sure there are more egregious examples.

>>2893458
These were my only transactions, all made immediately after adjustment.
I lost like $30,000 net worth in this instant because Coco's price crashed even though I managed to get a single sale for $3.5k.

>>2893458
I wiped out something like 20% of my net worth in 8 minutes if you want to check Ayunda Financial.

>>2893458
I'm curious in how the top 20 are doing.

>>2893458
Baba with basically just Coco and Gura stocks.

>>2893741
what's your username should make for a nice graph
>>2893790
even though the drop was huge, proportionally it was a better recovery than I had

>Towa lost to Mori
Guess I am selling all my Towa coin

>>2894096
Beautiful.
And yeah, fter the 2nd cycle when I realised I was losing 1k+ on every trade I just did nothing for 2 hours and started rebuilding after the burgers went to bed.

>>2894096
I think the graphs might be broken or something. The one on my profile doesn't show the proper net worth rise/drop. I was at like $75k+ and dropped to $54k but the profile shows only $65k to $62k, which isn't possible since I was holding 10k Coco coins and they all lost $2k value in an instant. Some of my net worth has recovered since then due to Coco rising from $1400 to $2300, which is why I'm back to $62k now.

Possibly because it didn't update the graph between adjustment and the first cycle. $65k is around where I was after dividends but $75k is where it was after adjustment, so if it never updated it won't show that drastic drop off.

>>2894415
I have the same thing, my graph shows my dividend high then just drops, it didn't even get the chance to count my adjustments and there should have been at least 20k of them.

>>2894415
This is the total of my assets before dividend, give or take a bit, so I guess I could manually go back and calculate the dividends and adjustments to get the real total.

Aria coin when?

>>2894510
ah nevermind this is after dividend and ~8 minutes before adjustment so it's the most accurate it can be.

I just calculated the total manually and got ~$66,000. iirc Coco hit $4000 after adjustment for an $1100 rise, so adding $11,000 = ~$77,000 was my total before everything crashed.

Damn, wish I at least had a funny graph to show for it.

>>2893872
TheTower broke my script for some reason so here's the top 19

>>2894858
zoomed in version

without the top 5 included the numbers are more interesting.

>>2894948
last one, new algo's affect on new the race the the top 5

>>2895023
>FinanCivial not affected

jesas

I like how FinanCivial is just doing his own thing.

>>2895663
>>2895705
Because not only is Civia unaffected by adjustments but since he's the only one putting in Buy Orders for Civia the price will never go down.

My ML model is pretty alright I think already.
>>2894858
I'm all squares...

so with this new algo holos can do well and adjust down right?

>>2896237
With this new algo adjusts don't matter anymore since the price will crash immediately.

>>2896269
I think they're fixing that though

>>2896237
No! Performance almost has no meaning now they can get fuck over by one cycle after adjustment.
Also noticed a few anon bailing out with new updates, especially new player probably got filtered because coco coins accident.

>>2896269
The only ones that wont crash are low stats holos with low share count. Anyone else and they will crash $300 for every 30-40 share sold.

>>2894858
>>2894906
>>2894948
>>2895023
Look at FinanCivial go!

Read the thread you niggers, they already addressed the post-adjustment volatility

>>2896608
Addressed but not fixed!
Still waiting for next adjustment and hopefully something good comes up.

>>2896475
>coco coins accident
I could smell this brewing the day before. Sadly I was swayed by the sentiment. Turns out my suspicion was right. At least I got a good laugh when everyone was freaking out.

Status report?

>>2896269
>>2896475
I'm not talking about selling after adjustment killing the value retards
>The end-of-day market price is taken into account when determining how much to adjust. If a bullish coin is experiencing a bubble, it will not adjust upwards. Likewise, a bearish coin that is currently undervalued will not adjust downwards. Adjustments seek to "make up" for ground that hasn't been covered by demand-based adjustments alone. In this way, users are forced to make smarter decisions on which coins they should hold based on their own assessment of a coin's fundamental value.
is this saying they simply won't go up at all or that they'll all adjust down if overvalued?

I have done nothing but mindlessly dump money into Subaru since I started a week ago and my portfolio is looking great

Dangerously accurate.

Alright I give up, I've tried every variation of towa maji daitenshi I can think of, just let me make a fucking account already.

>>2897987
Twapperino-chama... your archive reps

>>2897753
what if you created this but for real life stocks haha just kidding

>>2897987
Twapi...

>>2898004
Tonka-truck...

>>2897987
>towa maji daitenshi
>doesn't know that Towa is chou Akuma now
ngmi

FinanCivial circled by sharks, rropeman living in ruins

Broker-chama...

Here's a crazy fucking idea. What if adjustments were tied to a baseline for the Holos based on performance. So if a Holomen is supposed to moon but somehow people overbuy, the adjustments correct down, if they underbuy, the adjustments correct up, reverse that for if they're supposed to crash. It's supposed to be about the Holo's performance right? So then make it so that it's about the Holo's performance.

Thanks honk for manufacturing a dip for meme review tonight

You could also tie the gens together.

Did broker-kun just forget to update the queue?

>>2899013
Flare would never! It is a warm and cozy fireplace!

>>2891730
>movement per cycle of a stock will cancel out any potential adjustment boost unless the adjustment is massive
wdym? the volatility is lowered, that's not the case.

>>2899715
Thats the system right now

>>2900348
You seem really confident that a system is fixed and you haven't seen the system function under the highest volume trading hours yet?

>>2900531
No, info says it wouldn't adjust down if it was overvalued or adjust up if undervalued.

>>2900593
Anonchama...

>The end-of-day market price is taken into account when determining how much to adjust. If a bullish coin is experiencing a bubble, it will not adjust upwards. Likewise, a bearish coin that is currently undervalued will not adjust downwards. Adjustments seek to "make up" for ground that hasn't been covered by demand-based adjustments alone.

I am bearish on almost the entire market. Clown or lion holders should exit their positions literally right now.

>>2900560
I should have said, "shouldn't be the case", because it will be this way; even if devs fuck up one more day, they already said it's what they intend.

>>2900676
not honk (but another dev here)
doesn't mean they will adjust downwards; holding the bags is punishment enough.

My current concern is that people are good enough at spotting the winners and thus will have inflated everything to the point where no upwards adjustments can take place. We'll see soon enough.

>>2901317
The bigger worry is that prices will drop a lot after the first cycle. Buying 40 shares of single coin made the coin go up $400. Now imagine 75 people selling at once. Any winning will be undone in a single cycle.

please sell suisei so i can buy

>>2901317
this is true, the idea is that the market behaves more naturally when people understand the new adjustment and speculate when something is a bubble.
If you are late to invest you shouldn't be rewarded with 100% certainty as you were, and should be risking buying the top. I will post a more extensive writeup in an hour or so.
>>2901879
and yep, that is my main concern as well, since people are accustomed to selling right after the adjustment, the price will surely drop; but by not too much I hope, keeping the volatility closer to how it was before the update.

>>2901879
>Buying 40 shares of single coin made the coin go up $400.
What was the coin worth? $10 per is pretty good, I was only getting about $4.5 on the 1.2k one I was testing, I wonder if it's percentage based.

>>2902831
$3k. Yes. It is likely that higher number holos rise and dip faster. Might even have something to do with how many shares they have. For example $1k coin with 120 shares went up only $100 when 30 shares were bought.

>>2902831
I think its based on shares owned and based on % of actual price. It looks like the highend stocks like pekora/gura/calli are about $10 per trade

So been out of the loop since the update, how do you reliably make money now that you can't rely on adjustment boosts?

Doing your twitter reps and buying the good shit before anyone else realises it's the good shit. And possibly adjustments, we don't really know yet.

>>2903442
Buy low, sell high. Just like how it always been.

yeah I'm just buying more civia...

Who's selling cocoin right now? Now's the time to buy since when the devs fix their shit the price is gonna spike back up at least temporarily

Not honk here (but another dev) and I want explain part of the update introduced, the perceived problems I had with the state of affairs and how the change would help change it.
Not about the in-cycle price changes or volatility, but only about daily adjustments:
1. the adjustments were too easy to predict currently and guarantee free money, and any player not playing at adjustment time and the hour right after were highly disadvantaged.
2. but we don't want to kill fun or otherwise make performance not matter.
3. so I wanted to change the adjustment so that players can have a reason to speculate, as opposed to not at all currently, and possibly sell before the adjustment.
4. right now you should literally never sell before adjustment because the direction is very easily predicted.
5. Suppose there was a coin whose "channel performance" increased by 50% after a big event; Players knew about there being a big event and pumped it even before the adjustment by 50%, suppose; Let's say the opening price of the coin of the day of the event was 100, so after pumping the price it went to 100*1.5 = 150 after adjustment the coin would go to 100*1.5*1.5 = 225, more than doubling the price, even if the performance of the channel was "only" 50%.
6. A change in the way adjustments work would make it so coins can be overvalued: if the coins were already naturally pumped by the players, the adjustment wouldn't pump the price so much more again, because that effectively double dips the rewards.
7. the proposed change would reward early investors proportionally more compared to just last-minute check the view count and buy just before adjustment.
8. prices would be more speculative, there would be a case to start selling a bit before adjustment so that the player can empty his bags earlier than the others, if he thinks the coin is already overvalued.
9. buyers of undervalued coins would be rewarded way more proportionally than they are now: currently buyers of undervalued coins miss the playerbase pump and only get the adjustment pump.

A major point of the change is how will the player-base feel about it. While we, devs, are in agreement that the current system of adjustment is too easy, and that it also seemed to be the thread's sentiment (specifically about adjustment), the players are distressed right now because of losses created on the last update. This change will slow the inflation and crazy gains made by the players, but hopefully make activity more interesting, less uniform, instead of buying sure-fire coin bets.

The other idea is to kill adjustments and give daily dividends instead of weekly, but we don't have any details fleshed out on that yet. This idea would also have the benefits of the points 7, 8 and 9 above.
The other other idea that is only mine right now is doing adjustments on stream ends or something like that. I don't know if that is possible (with the current way we get the data it's not, but another dev is coding up another way), so I haven't thought up any details. It would make for a more lively market the day, which is good and bad, because while that would spread out the thread activity, the adjustments would happen when you finish watching the stream, which is cool in my opinion (buy on announcement and sell during it/at the end of it). It'd also need a lot more dev time comparatively to the other solutions.

>>2907398
tl;dr
good work!

>>2907398
Honestly to me adjustment as the stream ends, or even better, as it's going, is the best of the best. It means you have to be active through the day sure, but you'll be active watching the holos, not watching the graphs so much. I still haven't watched the big events from Nene and Towa that I profited from, because I just bought in when it was announced and then sold at adjustment.
If I had to *be there* to see if the stream as doing well and invest in the moment, I would have actually *watched* them too, just with nasfaq on the side and then I could sleep at night instead of staying up for the adjustments
A big problem right now is that what people see on the channels means nothing, ALL THAT MATTERS are the numbers on social blade. Some holos like Ina gets shafted all the time, one day her stream has 180k views, but the api says 38k, and she tanks. I know some sites do track streams as they happen, so there has to be a way.

>>2908645
yup, it's why I hope we can do it with the new data gatherer, and that we find a good way to implement the idea, and that the other devs like it.

>>2907398
I disagree with Daily dividends. 2 dividends a week I can get behind.

>>2909607
just to clarify, by "other idea" I mean ideas under consideration, and not on the roadmap or anything.

>>2908645
I think the problem with this idea is not all viewers will be counted if it's updated as the stream ends. For example Coco only had 450k views when her stream ended and ended up with something like 700k by adjustment time. You'd have to update it multiple times a day and then that kinda deflates a lot of the adjustment bump into more of a steady incremental bump.

Though on that note, I wonder how the system would be affected if you could only buy stocks from the broker during the stream, in exchange for being able to multicoin?
Then opening up limit orders and letting players buy and sell among themselves throughout the day?
So it's like buying during the stream lets you buy a coin at its true value from the broker, and everyone who tries to get in after has to pay you a premium for your stock, rewarding you for watching the stream.

>Done nothing but hold since the update
>I've jumped up 17 places despite my networth actually dropping
S-sugoi!

>>2909911
Which is why I am bringing it up now and not down the road when it is being implemented.

>>2909607
I think daily dividends could work quite nicely since it discourages the idea of prioritizing different Holos just due to the time of the week. The fact everyone stockpiles Gura on Friday and then immediately sells her is probably problematic.

>>2910640
Anon that is literally how the real stock market works. Go look at dividend stocks before declaration and after the payout.

>>2910640
Having to rearrange your portfolio everyday for dividends on top of also rearranging for the current streams does not sound any more fun in my opinion.

>>2910640
You say that but the net difference in Gura shares from Friday to now is just -100

>>2910492
yup yup, thanks

>>2910773
Yeah but nasfaq isn't at all similar to a real stock market currently.
If you wanna argue for weekly dividends then we'd need to adjust the rest of the game to better emulate a real stock market so there's more strategy involved.
This new system of randomly buying/selling shit at a seemingly unpredictable price wouldn't fly in a real stock market for example.

>>2910835
In the previous post it was discussed there was a suggestion of having cumulative growth based on how long you hold a coin, so oshicoins could become profitable over a long period of time. This could also be implemented for bi-weekly or weekly dividends though, it's just a way to make dividends more interesting.

>>2910640
so instead of weekly stockpile, we gonna get a daily stockpile strat?

why bother for adjustments if you can just hold hold hold for divies? buy the dips and never sell for big long term gains

>>2911111
The idea for daily dividends was based on them being affected by adjustments or some other variable. If that was the case then daily stockpiles aren't a good idea if the stock won't move much relative to other stocks.

>>2911040
I don't really understand the thought process of making the strategy of holding oshi coin viable. Wasn't the point of the game to research different chuubas that you don't normally watch?

>>2911270
That's what makes it the chad hold. It is not viable.

>>2911270
I guess I used the wrong phrasing. It shouldn't be a meta way to make money at the top end, but it should be rewarded a bit more so you can at least get some growth out of it if your oshi streams consistently.

Think of it like how boomers put all their money in retirement funds. They don't make a ton of money compared to professional traders but in the long term it's preferable to being a daytrader if you don't know what you're doing. Having oshicoins as a means of growing your money when you don't know what you should be investing in should be more profitable than making poor impulsive investments.

>>2911606
I think under the current system, poor investments will burn you fairly hard because the adjustments take into account the market performance now so you can't just brainlessly click buy on every chuuba that streamed the previous day and come out on top or even.

>>2911230
well if it's based on daily adjustments then it's a viable option I guess,

how about the weekly/total stats of holos though, kinda a waste not to use those.

>>2907398
What about having dividends be divided among shareholders? It will disincentive everyone stockpiling the same chuubas for dividends since a high dividend amount will be diluted by too many shareholders.
The spread of shares will also be more even as people will be incentivized to hold less popular chuubas.

I BET WHAT THE HECK IS THE ANSWER FOR TOWA, THIS HAS BEEN ON MY MIND FOR MONTHS I WANT TO TRADE HOLO COINSS

>>2912251
twap...

>>2911773
I'm actually a bit confused by the current system. It seems like adjustments are based on daily market movements but they're NOT relative to the entire market. For example Coco spiked to $4k after adjustment when she obviously isn't worth more than Gura, and when over 1000 Coco coins were in circulation. If the adjustments were toned down to be closer to their "true value" then I'd agree with this, but currently the price fluctuations are still too unpredictable for anyone not using a ML algorithm. Anyone could moon well past the consistent top end performers.
>>2911973
I think I have issues with dividends being based on total stats, or at least heavily so. Like Gura being worth $1100 currently is largely due to her huge sub count, which is a bit troublesome as it's not like her subs will ever go down. This will lead to inflation over time, which isn't ideal.
>>2912028
This could be a good idea.

>>2912304
NO GOD DARN 4CHAN GIVE ME THE ANSWER YOU PIECES OF CRAP NO LIFE TRASH.

>>2912534
Adjustments are based on the chuubas performance for that day. (And from my personal understanding that day's performance is most likely compared to a running average of their previous daily performances to determine the adjustment). So Coco getting 800k views a day when for the past week she's averaged about 150k views a day shot her up to 4k.

>>2912681
He did give you the answer.

>>2912897
he is a lair and a fraud

>>2913013
go back retard, the filter is doing its job

>>2912859
Right, but I'm wondering why they're not relative to everyone else's performance as well? How can Kanata reach almost $5k off of a single stream, she should top out at her actual perceived value, not shoot past it. Most of the inflation that happened over the last week that the devs don't like is because of coins massively overperforming their perceived value off of a single good stream.

If anything Okayu fizzling out at $3k is what adjustments should've been like. She reached slightly past her natural value and everyone who bought her coin made a decent profit.

>>2913183
i'm getting the god darn answer and letting everyone hear it. your filter will be exposed ,

>>2913290
you must be 18 or older to post here

>>2913361
>:(

It's my first time here, is there any way to click the tako?

>>2913397
it's a secret button for the admin login page.

>>2913487
thanks for the unlimited money trial

>>2907398
>>2908645
>The other other idea that is only mine right now is doing adjustments on stream ends or something like that.
I don't think this would work too well. The biggest issue with this would be that most streams announced only an hour before stream time and stream time is almost always around the 6 hour block. It'll mass hectic shit daily and a lot of volatility and if you aren't around for that time block, such as the fact its when you normally sleep like me, you'll miss out on the game entirely. Like, yea, that's somewhat similar to what we have now but right now is a static timeframe so even if you can't be around for it you can prepare for it in some manner and still profit. Another problem would be adjustments will only ever go up and not down.

Hello everyone. I'm going to be manually updating Coco's price to her pre-adjustment high (so her daily adjustment result before the market was able to crash her) at 1am EST. From there, expect to see her adjust downwards slightly from tonight's adjustment + people selling.

>>2915855
BUY BUY BUY

>>2915855
BUY
COCO
NOW

>>2915855
Now, this is insider trading!

>>2901951
Hoshiyomis never sell, just join the fun and hodl

>>2917935
thanks honk

>>2917962
I forgot to change my name from a shitpost 5 threads ago

What is the /vt/ equivalent of green and pink?

>>2919742
Watame.

>>2919742
pink we is not exactly settled, I think this is the only one I've seen. desperate ina is pretty good too.

>>2920453
jesas

>>2920453

>Not buying the real VTUBE crypto.
Make some real money for once goys. Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5aAhNFKORI you're going to hear about this chick a lot

Roboco...

>>2921437
Did Stallman approve?

>>2921437
https://vtubetoken.moe/
>actually a thing
bro...

i thought when there's both a buy and sell order for a coin the the queue they were supposed to resolve instantly

Gosh do I have to wait for the queue to reset by checking the queue page? I thought I could sell immediately once the clock strikes

Holy shit I woke up early. Today will be the day I'm not bagholding

>>2921903
It's every 15 minutes after your last buy/sell on that coin
>>2921856
They removed that in the update.

>>2921856
Does it actually matter?

MARKET RESET LETS FUCKING GO I WANT TO SEE THOSE MOVEMENTS
Actually really interested to see what dips/peaks look like now, I've been waiting to really invest until I see what the new economy looks like.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
COCOCHI

Woke up 2 minutes too late

Thanks for the coco fix devs

>>2921949
I sold 10 minutes too early...

coco's value already crashed down...

>>2921925
No, I sold a Coco at 1am EST but it literally sold at the 12.45-1 cycle

This shit is bugged af

Yea, nice fix. It fucking updates twice so the 30 people hitting the button the instant the clock ticked over killed it before it did the second update.

>Coco "fix"
>already down to 2k again
LMAO

BUY CIVIA HOLY SHIT

Devchama here, Coco's value is going back up, we have to override the adjustment. that wasn't user actions.

oh, Coco shot up, maybe I can finally sell after that retarded decision yester-aaaaand it's gone

>Lost 11k without doing anything.

Wow, very cool

>>2921973
I'm ruined!

>>2922023
It's now lower than it got during the day

Subaru bros, we are financially ruined

IF YOU'RE TRADING RIGHT NOW DO NOT BUY ON COCO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BECAUSE SHE'S GOING BACK UP

FUCK WHAT WAS THAT

Which of you were saying the adjustments are probably fixed?

>>2922087
Anon, that's because we bumped up the price pre-adjustment, it'll get fixed so don't buy up Coco if you don't want to pay the 3.9k

>>2922041
Same
Dev-chama, just roll back the update already
This shit is fucking garbage

>>2922062
Too late

>>2922024
You made me accidentally buy SHION

Some of my shit isn't updated yet and I feel like I'm trading at a massive disadvantage, people are selling coins that I planned on selling and I have no clue if it's a good idea or not. By the time I have that information, it's already too late to sell because the new system punishes people who sell late.

>Mel went from 9k viewrs to 62k viewrs
>went sideways
nicefucking game retards

I'm afraid to buy dips now because I have no idea if the value already shot back up since you can't trust the number it says

Just roll back the update already, this is the absolute worst.
What makes it doubly bad, I can't even sell anything in the first 30 seconds because the website breaks.
Bring back the fixed prices, please.

game sucks

I'm gonna buy Coco at 1600 hehe

first day since I started where I went negative on daily earnings

>>2921437
>only own Lamy
>0% change
>$0 change
>sold high and bought the dip
Not sure what the rest of you guys are doing wrong. This is easy.

I'M GOING TO BUY MORE COCO COIN AND NO ONE CAN STOP ME

>>2922158
LAMY LOVE

OK I'm done! I had a hope you will fix this today but you don't deliver.
Fuck you dev!!

WHY DIDN'T I SELL COCO EARLIER TODAY I THOUGHT THE SELLOFF WAS OVER.

Did Mog lose 40k?

>>2922130
Same with Choco and Azki, and you can't tell me they were already priced in with how little they moved today

From what I've seen it sounds like there's going to be a collab on Marine's channel tonight

Okay we fixed the Coco price, that's the initial price people are buying/selling at right now. Go ham. Sorry for the jumps but those are in no way due to player actions.

FinanCivial on suicide watch as Civia craters

>>2922178
Post schedule or twitter! I don't see it anywhere!!

Is this a zero sum game?

>hear zhonk """"fixed""" some shit
>up higher from last night
>sell 7 coins at 11:50, set to gain $14K
>cycle ends at midnight, coins sold, $1K lower than I started
>history for 04/24 isn't loading so I can't see what they really sold at
Why bother? I'll just oshi and dividend fag

Your game is shit now.
I put up with yesterday because it seemed like a fluke.
Go fuck yourselves.

9 buys 3 sells on Pekora.
>she falls $500
?????

>>2922171
oh no 40K

ahhh it's gonna be -3000 by the time I can actually sell

>>2922171
a lot of my net worth is in okayu who tanked, but I don't mind since I can buy her cheaper now. my goal isn't to be #1 anymore anyways, I'm just trying to accumulate

>>2922210
Kanata talked about it a while ago and Ayame posted about it on twitter

>>2922230
coco was adjusted back up at everyone's request. you don't pay until the broker cycle finished so its fine

>"WE FIXED THE COCO"
>bought a single coco coin for 2400, estimated 2000$, since everyone was selling it
>someone ended up buying it for 4000$
just rollback this garbage update already

**bzzt bzzt**

>>2922215
no, if people undervalue a good performing coin, those that did buy get a pump for free.

I ain't stuck in here with you, yer stuck in here with me!

Is this a stock price or a fucking EKG readout?

dev please let us zoom in more, this is the cleanest double bart I've ever seen

>>2922272
Because we adjusted the price up to compensate for what happened yesterday, it was announced and we stated over and over she'd be fixed during the adjustment cycle.

I feel like most of you don't even understand the new economy

>>2922272
>someone ended up buying it for 4000$
somehow*
also, forgot image. The price as 2300, estimated 2000 since it was crashing
ended up paying 4k

Reset coin cooldown at the start of each cycle, OR ELSE

>>2922253
Great

>>2922301
Not on the site. I had to come here

Rope pls

>>2922294
That was because we had to adjust her price pre-adjustment to make sure it logged correctly, had the price adjust itself, the adjust back up to what it was supposed to be. It's a quirk of the system that we had to deal with.

>>2922318
this

>>2922307
Let them seethe. It's funny

Roll back the update retard it's over

>>2922328
jesus anon what are you doing

phew, safe

>>2922307
I understand it, but it's incompatible with itself. It wants to "pop bubbles", but it CREATES ONE ITSELF everyday at 1:05 ET, and expects people not to just jump on it

>>2922307
You mean the buy high and sell low economy?

>>2922338
I mean it took me a while but then I drew the fluctuations within the cycle on paper and it made so much sense I feel retarded.

>>2922370
>it CREATES ONE ITSELF
explain how

BUY
SUBARU

>>2922374
Fixed like 22 hours ago already

>>2922384
What do you call >>2922294 ?

>>2922370
Why contain it?

>>2922315
Dev fucked with the price to fix the coco screwjob but it cratered again immediately so he had to fuck with it again so when people sold it would be at the intended compensation price
>>2922294

>>2922307
I understand it, I just don't like it. I prefer the old way of playing.

>>2922410
that's coco being put back like the said they were going to do. she went up from her new outfit stream. how is that a bubble?

>>2922356
My best

>>2922424
That's because of a quirk of the logging system, we have to ensure it's at that price pre-adjustment so that it logs there rather than at ~2K

>>2922406
lol no

>>2922429
Its kinda boring though, at least this econ generates activity

>>2922433
if they put her back then shouldn't she have gone up once? and not spiked down?

>>2922450
Boring for you, maybe. I was having a lot of fun, I was watching streams more and posting in the thread. It was fine.

>>2922450
t.honk

Devchama, block the buying of Coco coins for now

>>2922424
dev literally pumping coco himself lololol just fucked over the buyers, me included

there are way fewer upward adjustments than before, i guess that's the system working

>>2922465
Devs are incompetent and put it up before the adjustment, then let the adjustment still happen on her price, so they had to put it back up again to avoid fucking everyone who sold between 1 and 1:05

I can't stop dumping inside coco aahhhh

You realistically have only yourself to blame if you bought coco at adjustment considering the dev had said it previously multiple times it'd be manually adjusted. You thought you could abuse the system but it burnt you instead, deal with it.

>>2922473
>we have halted the selling of your 4500 shares of COCO at 117.50 for your safety

>>2922479
>>2922062
>>2922031

>>2922520
I said buying, not selling.

I'm not a fan of a lot of things about this update but some of the people complaining about these are lacking the absolute most basic reading comprehension...

>>2922469
You can still do that though? The play on adjustments and wait out divies strat is still viable

>>2922443
Sure, but you realize to everyone not in this thread during the like five minutes before the settling of coco they thought you just screwed up the adjustment again and bought to mitigate losses right...

I understand it just fine, I just think making adjustment pointless is boring. There simply won't be undervalued coins, exactly 5 coins went up today and the only one that moved more than 5% was Botan, which I called but was shot down for. That's a nice vindication but it's still barely 10% and you can't hold more than 3 or you won't make it out in time so that's a whopping $540 profit. Fun.

this halfway system doesn't work, what's happening with cocoin will keep happening

SELL SELL SELL
AAAAAAAAAAA

Dev-chama, why didn't you just take away everyone's Coco coins and gave our 3950 dollars for each coin? It would be an easier fix desu.

>>2922531
Anon is talking about what Robinhood did with traders a while ago

>>2922566
kek at that guy at -500

>>2922519
> the dev had said it previously multiple times
Buried somewhere in the thread, not on site. Not that I did, but the reason we have this problem in the first place is because shit was dropped in with no real warning on how radically it would alter things.

My expectation with this thing was having fun overanalizing the streaming schedules, betting on games or collabs that would do well, staying alert on twitter for suprise announcements or guerilla streams that would impact the market.
All of that feels like it holds little to no relevance.

>stocks that didn't adjust up are going down now
Why are you selling for no profit lol

>>2922520
kek

>>2922598
He also said it after the adjustment
>>2922530

>>2922544
Yeah I can still do that, but the game is still less fun in a major way. The strategies are shittier, lots of people are leaving
Honk, just roll it back already
It's not the same

>>2922605
/biz/ told me to buy high and sell low

Who the fuck keeps buying Coco coins? Sell them retards, fucking ban everyone who buys it.

>>2922600
Just buy high dividend coins, anon.

>>2922541
Does a coin actually buy/sell for the price that is displayed when you click the button, 100% of the time? No? Then we have a problem.

>>2922632
If they buy aren't they just slowing down the price going down? Retarded but not bad for us

>>2922632
Hey we need those people in our game so it doesn't crash as fast

>>2922632
Some asshole's alt account collection probably

FLARE FLARE FLARE FLARE

>>2922614
lrn2read. I said not on site. And that post was after she had adjusted. Not before.

25 people sell Botan, falls 10%, wipes out adjustment gains. And that was the ONLY coin that was undervalued by any appreciable amount.

>>2922530
lmaooo literally buried in a 4chan thread "dev said so dev said so, they made it so clear!!!!!!!" there are 378 replies and thousands of players and you expect all of them to see one reply in a single 4chan thread

>>2922708
While they should have, everyone playing the game reads the thread.

>>2922632
why not let them hold your bags? you need to learn a thing or two from /biz/
Buy Coco, she's going to the moon, do the needful sirs.

please stop buying flare

>>2922679
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
SHE KEEPS GETTING BETTER

>>2922605
>sell coins displayed as up for mean purchase price
>lose money

I hate staying up late for adjustments every night and that being the only way I can make any real gains, but they also didn't need to be nerfed *this* bad

>>2922711
She has 184 shares now, honestly I think the same thing would have happened for her in the old econ.

buy ogey
sell rrat

>>2922735
No, actually, I don't. I came here last night to bitch about how they fucked up. I'm interested in Holos, not a dev thread. And unlike you, I do not watch this thread like a hawk waiting for zhonk's posts.

>>2922756
too slow, gotta go fast

I will now buy more Botan, thank you for lowering her price.

>>2922731
you have to go back

>>2922735
Stop being pro Zhonk! Go suck him off somewhere else.

>>2922780
naive

>>2922809
If the display prices are not reflective of the real price then there's no point in playing. You're gambling your money away on if you were in the first 30 people to hit sell or not.

this is complete chaos

This system would honestly be fine without the timing shit. I know people are seething over the lack of huge gains every adjustment, but I honestly think the reasoning behind it is good and people are just too used to massive gains for adjustments. If you bought earlier today and made the right choices based on schedules you'd be golden rn. That system is working as intended do encourage smart choices based on the holos you watch (not just looking at nightly numbers and buying, like people are doing and pretending like that counts as "watching holos"). The timing shit between each cycle fucking sucks though. I know HF-fags need something to do with their time but it's just not something that should have been rolled out with the new system.

>>2922839
Nice job showing he's wrong, even if he does talk like a fag his point still stands.

>>2922600
Anon, that's why the volatility has been turned way down in the new system, it rewards people who are quick or early but not nearly as much as before. Adjustments should dominate, look at Coco, she's being dumped to hell but her price is not really going down nearly as much.
>>2922623
I understand that you don't like the change, can you elaborate a little about why you think the strats are shittier? In this case, as you can see with Coco, price volatility due to sells has been driven way down, perhaps far too much, but adjustments up should still reward you. If your gripe is with the adjustment system, we could restore it back to what it was, would you prefer that?
>>2922654
We know that's an issue with the new economy, but we've driven down the volatility to help combat that sense. Primarily we want to allow people to have some fun day trading while making prices bound to performance and having people buy and sell at a dynamic price is part of that. We want to have a dynamic price display but due to limitations of the server, that's likely impossible. We're considering limit orders as a solution, I.E. you set a limit for if the transaction goes through or not during the queue clear. Would that make it better for you?

Yes, you actually have to think now. A cooldown reset with each cycle would be nice.

>>2922654
That's how it works in crypto, you get overrun and get 5% less in your shitcoins

I love not making money!
I come here only to look at a symbol with my oshi's name on it and big numbers make me feel good
Thanks to the update, I'm discouraged from even pressing buttons!
There's nothing I can do and I love it

>>2922882
how big would your profit have been? on what coin?
price slippage is real when you market sell, to guarantee profits you need to be an earlier investor.

I just watched someone make 20k in the post adjustment cycle. Presumably he bought every dip before everyone else. That's fucking retarded.

>>2922890
The adjustments made it fair so people didn't need to be up in the middle of the night when they announced their stream.

>>2922890
Mel went from 9k views to 62k views and went sideways. Azki went from 19k views to 92k views and sideways. If you think this is fine you are a retard. This update was suppossed to "help" performing coins, but look at this shit.

>tell anon to focus on long term holds while selling the top and buy the dips
>everyone tells me I am a faggot
>instead of building a strong portfolio to withstand rule changes they got greedy with meme stocks and trying to time the market
Can't say I feel bad. My strategy hasn't changed one bit.

>>2922949
That was me
I stay winning
You stay losing