/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>69,696: Towa (Hololive)
>52,071: Marine (Hololive)
>44,731: Sasaki (Nijisanji)
>44,349: Shiina (Nijisanji)
>41,104: Mumei (Hololive)
>37,771: Miko (Hololive)
>37,306: Calli (Hololive)
>23,779: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>23,037: Subaru (Hololive)
>20,255: Ina (Hololive)
>17,837: Lize (Nijisanji)
>17,717: Botan (Hololive)
>17,633: Flare (Hololive)
>17,360: Hal (Neo Porte)
>14,893: Nui (Nijisanji)
>14,798: Nose (VSPO)
>12,655: Shu (Nijisanji)
>11,776: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>10,998: Luca (Nijisanji)
>10,975: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>10,588: Koyori (Hololive)
>10,416: Leos (Nijisanji)

>>28807008
Mori and Suisei have done multiple song and concert collabs together and never done a stream collab together eventho it's been 2 years.
Both live in Japan too so it's not like it's a timezone issue.

>>28807699
>JULY 2022 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 43,044 - HoloCure
2) Subaru (Hololive) - 66,433 - Birthday stream
3) AZKi (Hololive) - 74,504 - 3D birthday live
4) Tsukasa (Indie) - 41,447 - Streamer league mahjong
5) Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) - 57,985 - Meschers off-collab
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - Drinking talk w/Laplus
7) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - DQ11 casino w/Noel
8) Salome (Nijisanji) - 37,023 - Unpacking
9) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 164,013 - Koshien 2022 draft
10) Shion (Hololive) - 48,313 - 1 million subs celebration totsumachi
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 61,665 - Clubhouse 51 totsu
12) Shiina (Nijisanji) - 49,387 - Niji Koshien practice
13) Pekora (Hololive) - 70,402 - Uno collab w/Marine, Botan & Polka
14) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 54,165 - Niji Koshien practice
15) Natsume (Nijisanji) - 48,192 - 3D debut
16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 70,166 - Niji Koshien practice
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 142,833 - 3rd anniversary 3D live
18) Mel (Hololive) - 67,290 - 4th anniversary 3D live
19) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 62,890 - Niji Koshien practice
20) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 80,534 - Niji Koshien practice
21) Towa (Hololive) - 69,696 - New outfit reveal

>PER COMPANY
11x: Hololive
9x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie

>PER STREAMER
5x: Pekora
2x: Ibrahim, Kuzuha
1x: AZKi, Mayuzumi, Mel, Miko, Natsume, Nijisanji, Salome, Shiina, Shion, Subaru, Towa, Tsukasa

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
129x: Hololive
62x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
3x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
23x: Pekora
16x: Aqua, Salome
14x: Kuzuha
13x: Miko
9x: Subaru
6x: Hal
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Gura, Hololive, Mio, Suisei, Toya
3x: Chloe, Choco, Flare, Nijisanji, Okayu, Towa
2x: Ange, Fuwa, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Polka
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, AZKi, Botan, Chronoir, Debi, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Laplus, Masaru, Mayuzumi, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Noel, Roboco, Rushia, Sango, Shiina, Shion, Sora, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

>>28807715
JPEN collabs = shit content
It's obvious, anon

Why was Shoto in Ollie's chat a few days ago?

What's the guest list for Festival's 3D live?

>>28807594
Final /news/ roundup for 21-07-2022
>>28784506

Recent Clip Numbers
>>28764408
>>28764483
>>28764945
>>28765038

Ah piss

how can we force haachama into playing ftom games?
it's literally the only thing holding her back, it's obvious that people will watch her during her buff content like asmrs and haachama sundays, as well as some buff games like rfa and CH51 so her getting numbers on popular trendy games should be more than possible

>>28807771
>69,696
Holo won the platinum medal

>>28807956
What are some piss chads outside of Luna?

>>28807845
Eh, the passion English twappi collabs are cute and fun since Towa tries so hard and half the en girls want to become her pet.

>>28807594
Iluna debut waiting rooms
>>28714465
Tempus debut dates
>>28714602

Council 30 days true average
>>28552826 :: Fauna
>>28553802 :: Mumei
>>28554518 :: Kronii
>>28554951 :: Bae
>>28555400 ::Sana
>>28582197

>>28807927
Shiraken, Polka, Suisei, and Aki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBYZuglgpJM

>>28807869
ollie collabs with amles
and blue boy of tempus was on shoto's circle i belive.
so he is trying to break into holo
wouldnt say it is leeching sincce shoto is bigger that most of luxiem nowdays.

>>28808068
Anon, Shiraken are Polka and Suisei.

>>28807869
He has finished leeching off NijiEN now he is going for the homos and the one most likely to collab with them

>>28807869
>ollie collabs with males
>she's bound to play with starsEN
>shoto is leechus maximus

>>28808123
I might be out of it. I meant Watame and Nene

>>28806858
FBK would bonk them. She pretty much has seniority over everyone except for Sora. Really makes me wish that Nijisanji didn't accelerate so fast and that Kaede and Mito were slightly specced more towards leadership so the new waves could get house trained to behave and tardwrangle their respective fans too.

>>28807927
Shiraken, Nene, Aki and Watame

>dude it's over Trapgate killed her

So where are you retards now?

So how much of it is true?

>>28808050
numbers says otherwise

>>28806494
another test and this will be my last one:
>watch 2 streams of salome
>click random hololive clip
lol

>>28808229
That's all accurate

>>28808199
Is that supposed to be a good number?

>>28808258
ignoring the number rot in your brain, they clip very well and can bring more attention to the members involved

>>28808258
What? Numbers for those were fine

>>28808082
uh this guy really is the biggest EN vtuber right now on twitch

>>28808282
You know what.... maybe the rrat of Salome's tourist falling into the Peko Hole isn't so farfetched afterall?

>>28807869
Leeching is kind of his thing.

>>28808282
I'm starting to understand how someone could mistake her for holo.

>>28808199
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBOFrzMG8yE

>>28808353
Yeah, he basically took Luxiem’s fanbase

>>28808229
Did Ange even mention them by name?

>>28808229
>>28807510
Its true. Nari whos now jp had a different sponsorship just like elira. only ange had a reaction stream, the other two played the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O7jZy354rE

>>28807869
He was also spotted in Izuru/Shogun’s chat last month and even greeted him happy birthday
He’s slowly preparing to worm his way into hololive productions

Gwelu will not reach 60k and Matsuri will reach 76k.

>>28808444
Are his fans actually Chinese tho?

>>28808353
>leech of luxiem
>keep inclining while they recline.
impressive.

>>28808480
I will laugh if it happens

>>28808308
It's her normal number for shitty FPS stream. She will get over 2k again when she streams something good like F1. Nothing changed.

>>28808494
The only ones who remain is the chinks

>>28808282

>>28808353
So this is why holoEN is terrified to allow collabs with better streamers.

>>28808519
>2k is impressive to nijifriends
o i am laffin

>>28808353
Yeah, by a lot. If you only want indie females, then it's a coin toss between Snuffy and Shylily.

>>28808560
I mean are Shotos fans on twitch identifiably Chinese?

asakoyo moving incredibly slow today despite the lack of overlap
also huge Z

>>28808458
So another rrat from here killed
>>28808494
>>28808560
no, most of Shoto fans are SEA just like how most of Luxiem fans are SEA. This chinese image for them is retarded when only Vox has the majority

>>28808621
It's not Feesh is one of the weakest NijiEN girls but days of shitposting about this crap and literally nothing changed for her.

>>28808616
>better streamers
lol

>>28808480
Gwelu is doing a watchalong that starts 10 minutes earlier than the live, might actually suck out a good amount of viewers.

Is there any basis for this?

>>28808519
So her floor was always 500? Last time she streamed valorant she had a z peak at 3.6k.

>>28808729
I don't remember that happening or anyone talking about it at the time. He may be misremembering someone with a KFP larp name and Kiara avatar donating?

>>28808729
sounds like that guy needs meds

>>28808730
Watchalong of what?

>>28808703
Leech

>>28808729
I suspect it's downvoted, because it's bs.

>>28808199
STOP FALSEFLAGGING WITH FINANAS NUMBERS

kek
every single time

>>28808710
Yes. They would steal half of HoloEN fanbase after few collabs.

>>28808729
>They need to talk to each other though kanauru
Huh? Couldn't they just message on their rm accounts? Who's gonna stop them?

>>28808729
No hololive accounts are allowed to donate or member other hololive members but outside of the company is usually fine unless there's some youtube issue like with Towa's account where she can't superchat anyone lol

>>28808840
He will watch his own 3D reveal

>>28808809
>>28808826
>>28808886
Thinking the same since i have never heard about it, but i guess there is a reason i have never heard about it if nobody else can recall it.

>>28808840
His own debut

>>28808928
kek

>>28806394
>>28806465
>>28806526
>>28806314
>>28806597
thank you so much anons, very much appreciated

>>28808898
lmao no. they'd be much bigger than they are if they were even capable of that. enjoy never having a 20k stream.

>>28808890
>ID overlap
It's over holobros, guaranteed gold for niji

>>28808928
>reveal
Wait what? I could have sworn I've already seen Gwelu's 3d model.

>>28808890
Every company needs to have an ID overlap for 3d events for it to be a succes.

>>28808928
Kek

>>28808899
I didn't even read that part when taking the screenshot, nijiniggers are really delusional huh

>>28808898
DYRBI

>>28808729
I remember Kiara saying this yeah, but I think she just decided to use that instead of her hololive account for personal reasons

>>28809038
Nijiniggers? This guy? Such an obvious holofag and who is literally saying on all of his posts that its nijisanji blocking it?

>>28808996
That's not how it works. 3/4 of holo drones never watch anyone else.

People are not talking about but ILuna video hit 1 million views. While tempus can't even hit 200k. I thought the mag dude was the most popular do the all the meme but he actually has the less subs?

>>28809088
why can't they build a large audience on their own if they're so skilled?

>>28809099
>ILuna
What the fuck is ILuna? Is that the name of the new NijiEN gen 6?

>>28809099
What?

>>28809099
NijiEN keeps inclining. They started with 700 ccv now even weakest members get 2k playing fucking Valorant.

>>28809099
anykara ran the iluna video as an ad. it goes straight in the trash as far as this thread is concerned.

>>28809099
Who?

>>28809099
>>28809181
why are you people like this

>>28809099

>>28809129
Ask a million indies streaming to 5 people.

>>28809086
You might be right, i haven't bothered to check what else he posts apart from the spergout about collabing with Pomu.

>>28809137

>>28809129
They do have an large audience that some may even say is bigger than hololive. Hololive en at this monment has 10 members while nijisanji en has 26. Due to nijisanji en has more members allow us to reach more people and find the right vtuber for everyone. Hololive policy is the rich get richer. While nijisanji allows any member an chance of success and anybody can become an vtuber and your not stuck singing or dancing they freedom.

>>28809183
Man that's so predictable
Not that I blame them or whatever, hey it's a business, but it makes the numbers useless for dick measuring

>>28809222
>people
one zhang, no plural and not people

>>28809241
>Liver shield
Sugoi

>>28809099
>million in 1 day
>198k in 3 days

It's over.

Next month, Hololive EN debuts office holo EN and new staff "Sana" . She will be working behind the scenes such as HoloGraffiti EN , Event sponsor like A-chan

>>28809284
>They do have an large audience that some may even say is bigger than hololive
I assume you have numbers to back this statement up.

>>28809099
>I thought the mag dude was the most popular do the all the meme but he actually has the less subs?
It's not about the subs, it's about being bros

>>28809181
>keeps inclining
has inclined<

>>28807869
People call Vox a leech but this guy is the king of leeches

>>28809222
Because it's true? What the fuck are you holo drones even expecting? Everybody just sucking Cover's cock even when they obviously fuck up?

>>28809326
I would prefer her doing the design for some future Holo instead

>>28809326
I like the idea in concept, if any Holos actually graduate to become staff they should give their Holo avatar a new cute OL outfit
Like when Ame graduates to become the director of HoloEN in a few years, give her an Amelia Watson business suit model

>>28809363
The subreddit pretty much stopped talking about the guys already

>>28809284
>>28809226

>>28809397
you keep going on and on about this incline which happened fucking months ago, why aren't you talking about the present decline?

>>28809397
i expect you to not make stupid bait

>>28809321

NijiEN official CH
> 555K sub
Holostar EN CH
>37K sub

Anon....

>>28809326
Nah, but I can see her doing drawings for merch or even becoming a mama

>>28809450
That's kinda sad but expected, at least the collab beggars sticks out like a sore thumb now

>>28808843

Hate to see he'll pass Vox here, but he's been leeching others, so that's how he gets ahead. What do others see in him that would make them choose Shoto over their oshi?

why are you guys comparing to fucking holostars, this is as pathetic as bragging about beating holoid

>>28809413
Could you imagine if Pekora somehow got over her introvert debuff and became a holo manager? The knowledge of number she could impart to the new gen would be immeasurable.

>>28809557
Because they can't compare themselves to holoID anymore

>>28809241
So that's where they got the name, so they're going to shield the other livers by being the yab machines

>>28809491

Kek nijinig

>>28809557
>beating holoid
the nijis can't even do that, so they have to resort to punching down. it's really sad and it shows just how toxic that fanbase is.

>>28809292
You guys would shit on them if they just leave them to themselves without promoting their debuts..
thats how they have been doing since lazulight, its expected and it should happen

>>28809557
Coz they're getting mogged by HoloID too.

>>28809629
I agree, like I said, I don't blame them. But 1 million advertised views can't be used as any organic measure of interest

>>28809557
idk anon.. MAYBE BECAUSE THEY DEBUT ONE DAY AFTER ANOTHER
kek

>>28809099
running it as an ad probably, everything NijiEN has put out has been shoved into ads since Lazulight. Like even discounting that Im pretty sure it wouldve beat Tempus anyways since holostars is a dead brand generally.

>>28809555
The numbersage

>>28809099
Going to be all the more embarrassing when they're sub 5k after a month

>>28809515
>>28809326
>>28809408

Smol council+irys designs and create by Sana

>>28809693
but no one gives a shit about holostars, literally yesterday, one of the dudes in the gen3 of the jp branch was trying to get to 200k when he debuted in april of fucking 2020

>>28809693
If the paralympics and the ordinary olympics happen in the same timeframe will they be compared?

*casts a spell that gives nijifriends gonorrhea every time they lie about numbers*

>>28809555
Cover would be mad not to offer well-compensated high level positions to key veteran talents when they're ready to be done. Marine, Pekora, Ame, Mori off the top of my head would all be really good staff (in different roles suited to their specialties) if any of them would take the job.

funny thread.

>>28809284
Any evidence for your claims

>>28809352
Since people doubt me when I claim nijisanji en has an large audience. I checked and there audience is bigger then hololive check their offical channel here the evidence.

>>28809795
*dick instantly falls off*

>>28809181
Here are 4 streams under 2k peak from just yesterday.

>>28809846
these channels are so dead

>>28809846
We do not doubt you, we just call you what you are, a shameless liar.

Please stop biting the retard's bait.

>>28809812
yagoo may give stock 0.1-0.5% to holomembers work in cover for 3 years +

>>28809924
>3view peak on non-sc

>>28809924
>598 CCV
devastating

>>28809924
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>28809924
oh no no no

>>28809326
Let her play her chinese gacha in peace. Her gacha job pays more anyways.

>>28808971
No Kiara definitely said that she donated to Pomu's outfit reveal. And Pomu did get an streamlabs dono from an "K", dont know that was her tho of course

>>28809924
>>Gura killer...

>>28809924
Finana is really setting new standards in how low a EN corpo can go without upsetting their manager

>>28809812
Besides being useful, that would make the fans really happy to know that even after graduation, they are still in Hololive somehow keeping the effect of the almighty Holobox

>4.2k on new outfit drop
kek holobronies explain

>>28809924
>Petra
>Nina
>supas
>Feesh gachashit

Pomu had over 4k today. Finana is doing a guerilla to 2k now.

>>28808729
>>28808809
>>28808826
>>28808886
He's not lying https://youtu.be/AKAM_MSN-FY?t=11051
I honestly don't think that she didn't use her public account because she wasn't allowed to, but she just simply didn't want to draw any attention to her

>>28810250
If her manager isn't fucking fuming it's because they've written her off already

>>28810224
That might have been more to do with the restriction of not spending money on their actual corporate account, not that it really stopped Mori.

>>28810312
Where's Obsydia's new outfits, btw? They just had their big sub-20k 1 year anniversary stream(s).

>>28810314
>to 2k

>>28810400
Doing it now with gen6 right there would be retarded.

Okay, but really, why don't Cover just buy adds for their Talent? It's not like its shameful or anything, it clearly works

>>28810312
>new outfit
those are pngs actually

>>28809924

That's not nijien's prime time.

Will Iluna's SJW pandering help NijiEN in the long run? That sort of shit is just going to accelerate with the tranny and the juice drinker in the roster.

>>28810250
Is there some sort of explanation for this? I know she acts like somewhat of a retard on twitter and stuff but do NijiEN fans really care about that

>>28810515
she is just boring
and unlike pomu or selen she and the other girls dont do anything interesting

>>28810491

05:00 JPN = 17:00 USA

>>28810515
She spams the gacha games without doing the gacha just playing trough the story.
Yes, she is that retarded.

>>28810496
Those don't watch streams

>>28810496
No, they dont watch streams, superchat, or buy merch

>>28809183
That explains the numbers. I was wondering how iLUMA's trailer beat out Council's in less than a day lol.

>>28809788
That’s not even that bad. Pretty sure some members from Nijisanji JP’s very first wave haven’t even hit 200k

>>28810250

500-700 ccv is the norm for her niche gachashit streams. Always was.

>>28810572

Shut up , please

>>28810515
Nijifans love it. That's why no one watches her, because Nijifans famously don't watch streams

HoloKR any day now.

>>28810496
This is pandering to asian women who are into fujo and yuri stuff not twitter warriors. And yes it works.

>>28810491


EN ????

> CN

Does anyone in hololive still do frequent drawing/art streams?

>>28810445
Because organic viewers are real viewers. Viewers you fucking bot are not real viewers, they'll never watch streams

>>28810496
No, they don't watch streams or even leave twitter, but they will make sure to tell you that they feel good about what you are saying until you step out of line.

>>28810445
do they need to?

>>28810719

Elite

Iluna's numbers are as real as Ranunculus

>>28810645
this guy's debut was in 2018 and he hasn't hit 120k yet.
https://vrabi.net/channel/UCoM_XmK45j504hfUWvN06Qg

>>28810719
Define frequent? Ninner and Marine have done one each in like, the past 2 months. But neither does them what I would call "frequently" anymore.

>>28810830
Well, the difference is the JP market is pretty saturated while EN still has a lot of room to grow. I think Iluna will settle with everyone above over at least 2k ccv

>>28810692
is that why finana's numbers are so high?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSts2s4ba4

>>28810250
That reminds me, which Niji was it that leaked their DMs of their manager telling them they need to discuss their low numbers

>>28810897
The EN market is so much smaller than the JP market that I would go as far as to say the EN market is MORE saturated than the JP one rn

Ame would've actually gotten destroyed if she overlapped.

>>28810445
Youtube ads traditionally aren't too useful for vtubers and Hololive occupies enough mindspace that any big event is already advertised enough to the people who would care. You're kinda just pissing money away for people who were going to come watch anyways.

Might be a hot take, but I don't think NijiEN needs to run ads for NijiEN6 either. Everyone who is interested already knows about it and they've gotten big numbers before with Noctyx's debuts.

>>28810897
>I think Iluna will settle with everyone above over at least 2k ccv
So, even worse than Noctyx then? Why do they even bother? Wave 7 will be Ranunculus tier shitters and 8 will be like NijiID at this rate.

> Finana 1.9K peak VALORANT

Now 1.4K

>>28810996
Because I think at least two of them are 10k ccv contenders, Maria and Ren. Maria for her great design, loli buff, and good voice, and Ren for his affable personality and design. Scarle is a toss up, but I could see her being 8k+ ccv if her voice is sex

>>28810976
Quite the opposite, I think only the real teamates are watching the stream and she has 0 tourists right now

>>28810312
This can't even be considered bait, atleast try to make it look enticing.

>>28811077
you're delusional

>>28811057
EliraPomu collab at 3K

>>28810961
I don't have it, but holy fuck, how much from nijiEN discords has been leaked at this point?

>>28811110
I'm being optimistic. I do think the new wave is a pretty big deal, especially with it being mixed and the fact that a lot of these talents were previous fleshtubers. Could bring in a new audience

>>28811077
Mysta and Vox are borderline 10k CCV contenders and they're the biggest NijiENs by a mile.
On the NijiJP side, there's like only 8-10 people who can get 10k CCV.
Stop shitposting.

>>28811077
Almost impossible
I'd kneel if it happens but seriously, no way.

HoloJP 3 > best gen
HoloID 3 > best gen
EN3 ?

>>28811198
>>28811200
Not shitposting, just predicting potential break out successes

>>28811077
>10k ccv contenders
Maybe with debut buff, but i can't see that lasting until their next wave.

>>28811077
>loli buff
no such thing

>>28811228

5 Pekora

>>28809450
there were some pretty big streams that happened between the homo announcement and now

>>28811228

There will be 1 member can beat XQC.

>>28811228
I wonder which gets better numbers, miComet or PekoMarine on average

>>28811228
Council tier.

>>28810961
It was Yugo, which is funny because she pulls more numbers than most of NijiEN

>>28811228
>Ariana Grande
>Dolly Parton
>Brie Larson
>Michelle Obama
>John Legend with a voice changer
There you go, 50k ccv streamers guaranteed

>>28811246
You mean speed running the branch to have 3views and getting stepped on by pepto bismol yabbit in ccv?

>>28811246
Except we already saw breakout successes in NijiEN in Luxiem, hell they even found a new market and dominated that. Vox is going to be the 4th Niji to 1 mil and he's still not a guaranteed 10k every stream.
Expecting this new gen to get that is asking NijiEN to expand their daily viewerbase by 20k with this gen. Don't forget NijiEN is always overlap hell too, except for the guys in CN time.

>>28811436
Don't know why everyone assumes more talent = less ccv. That's true for overlaps, but if you look at the average ccv for Nijisanji EN, it's gone up for every wave. Some are currently in a bit of a recline, but all of them have inclined from debut

>>28810830
If any Iluna settles for 2k they already will be a success...

>>28810845
Moira from Gen/Wave 1 aka Mito’s gen also debuted in 2018 yet is still below 150k
Then again her problem might just be that she doesn’t fucking stream
https://vrabi.net/channel/UCvmppcdYf4HOv-tFQhHHJMA

>>28810906
Finana debuffs herself all the fucking time.

>>28811077
>but I could see her being 8k+ ccv if her voice is sex
You're actually insane when her content is going to be otome shit

>>28809183
Why don't Cover advertise for their talents like Niji?

I'm watching Matsuri's VODs on RUST and it's quite insane how she mimics Pekora's gimmicks. The "naniga deru kana~"(yeah I know it's from that song https://youtu.be/2kdZZJEBAhw but only Pekora do that as far as I know),the occasional Pekora's imitations as well...
She did mention last year that she was the best streamer in her opinion and she learns a lot from her as well, so it's nice to see that Pekora is not as much of a lone wolf as people tend to say. Plus I don't think she's a bitch IRL either or the Holomembers wouldn't leech/gather around her if that were the case.

>>28810719
Mumei does the most now lol, but I hesitate to call them real art streams

>>28810996
Yes I'm sure NjiEN will suddenly stop growing because you say so.

>>28811427
John legend fucking sucks

>>28811604
Why is Niji behind Hololive despite buying ads?

>>28810692
Hey that's a good theory. The SJW posting is just a subtle way to signal "I'll play gay with the other dudes, so watch me fujos" without having to actually say such a degrading thing. Smart.

>>28811436
They're not going to drop to 3views, but it's more likely that the new gen gets mediocre numbers all the time due to overlap.
Noctyx did not affect the previous gen's numbers much and they all got 2-4k new people.
New gens are always a net gain for the whole branch, just means more overlap hell potential.

>>28811246
vox was a breakout success cracking into an entirely new market AND he has the timezone buff yet he is still only hovering around 10k. some insane stuff would have to go down for someone to break in to ina/mumei/kronii tier

>>28811077

I can see them getting 5-8k but 10k is a stretch. Maybe in a year.

>>28811077
I agree with the breakouts but not with the numbers.

>>28811228
No female wave will beat Myth and no male wave will beat Luxiem. It's simply not happening. They released at the perfect moment and grabbed their audience too hard.

>>28811536
they were stagnating until vox then they grew slightly

>>28811228
5 Koyoris
Believe it!

>>28811683
Idk but running an ad could help the EN boys a bit.

>>28811571
4k is more likely for "success", that's what the top end of Noctyx gets.
2k would be falling back to Obysdia/Ethyria levels. I feel like unless you're crushed by overlap hell or your name is Reimu/Finana, anyone in NijiEN can crawl to 2k at least.

>>28811228
4 of the 5, or at least 2 out of 3 if they only want to release 3, will be shitters, I can assure you that much.
「Just take it easy, or you will burnout quickly!」
One of them will be Kaela tier but all the other ones will be lazy whores, just as much as their EN seniors.

>>28811696
It's not a theory it's a fact. 80% of Luxiem audience are asian women and 30-40% of that are chinks. They love gay bating.

>>28811886
2k is bottom Ethyria tier. Enna gets 4k easily.

>>28811802
If you mean Myth at their peak then that's obvious, but right now Council is keeping up with them outside of Gura and maybe Ina on a good day.

Those who do not learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them

>>28812007
Can reimu even muster 2k now a days?

>>28811911
see
>>28811110

>>28811228

Pekora Koyori Kaela Miko Korone

>>28812089
See
>>28811175

>>28812007
Enna averages 2.6k

>>28812076
Do you count raids with dog shit retention?

>>28811760
How little of a fuck does reddit give if 4chans edit shows up when searching for his name instead of anything from there?

>>28812089
see
>>28812182

>>28807594
>"numbers"-fags
>ignore the impact of millions of clipper views
>ignore subs
>ignore total views
>ignore merchandise
>ignore rating
>ignore superchats
>ignore stock price
>only talk about streaming views
These threads are brainlet containment zones.

>>28812245
Does reddit even have an active stars community? There isn't an active subreddit for every topic, I mean even the Nijisanji subreddits are wastelands out of proportion with the number of fans they have.

>>28811110
>>28811198
>>28811200
>>28811247
>>28811263
>>28811600
>>28811715
>>28811775
Grudgeposting you guys

>>28812322
Hi falseflag tourist shitposter, how are you doing today?

>>28812322
Sniff that touristtachi

>>28812357
https://www.reddit.com/r/Holostars/
It's about as dead as the Niji sub.

>>28812322
None of that shit matters. We've proven definitively over and over again that CCV > All other metrics, VoD views are cope, subs are cope, stock price is cope, superchats are cope, clip views are cope. None of those things even slightly matter

>>28812322

>>28812393
I'd do better than risk a grudgepost. Can someone please set up a crypto chuuba betting site so we can wager on this shit? Would be fun.

>>28812322
>we have a clipper anon
>subs largely irrelevant as this place is viewers oriented
>total views is dependant on how many times someone streams
>the way to accurately track merch was killed
>rating (?)
>you can track superchats if you want we used to have anons for it pre rushia demise
>we have an anon who would post anycolor stocks

>>28812393
You are welcome to do so, but don't act like debut buff isn't a thing when you seethe about it later.

>>28811400

>>28812322

>>28812357
They have a subreddit which is deader than the niji one so they leech off the hololive sub

>>28812393
>>28812479
Yeah this, I would interpret that original anon's statement as saying they'll be 10k+ CCV average a few weeks after debut. Having a few streams over 10k in the honeymoon period doesn't make someone a 10k ccv streamer

>>28811400
I mean, compare MiComet's Minecraft stream single POV or even the HoloError one to PekoMari's 83k Minecraft stream or the shilling stream they did with the gambling online, I remember it doing extremely well at the time.

>https://strawpoll.com/polls/7MZ0z5MrRno
Where will Iluna settle in a month?

>>28812633
Kneel

>>28812698
The loli and the Vox fag will be above 5k, one thanks to fujo chinks and the other thanks to pedos. The rest will be 1k shitters.
All of that after the debut buff obviously.

>>28812698
Can't find the "one above 4k and the others 2k shitters"

>>28812744
You mean the one that significantly dropped from her first month?

>>28812322
>clips
derail the views from the target, mostly doe for profit
>subs
they are tracked and talked about everyday, just no one es going to sit to talk about every 10 subs holostars get, we still celebrate milestones and achievements
>total views
skewed by music, shorts, etc, regardless, susan made sure we can't reliably talk about them until 24hrs pass, still tracked and talked about in relevant scenarions
>ignore merchandise
rope yourself newfag, just because there's nothing on this thread, it doesn't mean they aren't talked about, we also had a pretty good and accurate method until a nigger snitched on /r/eddit
>ignore sc
>ignore stock price
still more newfaggottry and the same point as before
>only talk about streaming views
are you referring to ccv? of course is the most relevant topic, we can see it happen in real time and there's good enough tools to backup on the discussion

kill yourself

>>28812744
>65% recline over two months
Yeah a-ahah, I will kneel Ojou-sama...

If Iluna can get 2 10k streamers, then EN3 will have 5 Guras. That's how fucking delusional you have to be to believe Iluna will be anything other than 1k shitters

>>28812744
>32k 1.5m celebration stream
lmao

>>28810719
If you consider the whole HoloPro, Gamma does.

>>28812818
Yeah this is what I wanted to vote too

>>28812875
>2 10k streamers
I beleb on the trap and the thicc Latina

>>28812955
>nd the thicc Latina
SHE WILL LITERALLY BE PLAYING OTOME GAMES BECAUSE SHE DOENS'T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE
SHE'S A RETARDED FUJO, HER LOOKS WILL ONLY CARRY HER SO FAR

>5 votes for one of them being above 5k
Are you faggots willing to BET YOUR BALLS??

>>28813070
I'm betting a nut on the blue starEN on being a 5k streamer, literally

>>28812698
>strawpoll

Man why did Fauna have to cancel, I really would've loved to see how this turned out if they went head to head

>>28812698
>multiple choice
Retardbro...

>>28812850
My only complaint is that we need a bigger focus on vods views. I know it's hard to track compare to ccv but it's not cope to talk about it.

>>28812698
>spanish

>>28813017
>HER LOOKS
not with that shit rigging, she's almost a png

>>28812955
>thicc Latina
If she doesn't have a latina accent, into the garbage she goes

>>28812875
what makes you think that?

>>28813173
what do you want to be tracked? every VOD? cause that is a problem of exponential growth
filter only music views? the nigger that does the youtube top 50 already does that
daily growth? holostats already has that

What do you guys think about enStars?
As big as luxiem even if they don't bfe pander and get girl collabs?
Or flop?

>>28813070
The demon guy will be above 5k. He has a normal design that girls will like and a normal voice. Also semi-well known PL.

>>28813212
she's going to be another finana, isn't she?

>>28813173
I had an idea to make a website for VOD horse racing that would track vod views (for relevant vtubers, so I guess nijis and holos and notable indies) at some sort of regular interval until 24 hours had elapsed from original stream time. Then it would have a daily vodcope gold.

>>28813312
mostl likely

>>28813295
Neither, probably 2-3k streamers.

>>28813295
How new are you?
StarsEN would be a success if they break 1k average viewers.
Expecting them to beat Luxiem would be expecting Lazulight to beat Myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvZDNXdsRuo
Well if Bae doesn't get good numbers within the hour (overlapped by Kronii btw) she's fucked

>>28813320
Having ideas and actually making useable tools are worlds apart. Would be nice but it's a lot of work.

>>28813401
Bae will probably be able to muster 10k. Kronii is playing debuff shit again.

>>28813295
flop, at least astel tier

>>28813295
I will bet by balls that StarsEN will be more successful than Iluna by the end of their second month. Iluna = 1-2k streamers, Starsen 2k-3k.

Remember when Amelia was a 5 view?

>>28813419
Yep. I'm a software dev so I can do it, but I've been really busy at work so haven't found the time/motivation yet (if I ever will)

>>28813295
the only one that I've heard about past stuff is mr hands who, if it's true, has the potential to maybe avg around 2-3k since lando did ok on twitch/youtube. his main issue will be wrangling his chat if his thread is any indication of what they'll be like

>>28813455
It's Musou, it's not nearly as bad as the actual TRPG

>>28813472
You already lost all your balls betting against peko this month

>>28813320
we already have the ccvcope gold so why not have a vodcope gold as well. subcope is already tracked, merchcope is the problem though since we can only track limited edition stuff is there anymore copes we can track?

>>28813472
How many times have you lost your balls because of retarded predictions like this?

>>28721259
Sub results 48 hours after announcement. Scarle's the one growing the fastest.

>>28813070
>Not thinking at least one guy will make it above 5k in manjisanji
Come one now.

>>28813620
Can they get 100k before debut lads?

>>28813593
Never

>>28813555
I have actually been right on about every single Peko gold since she came back. I even called she would break 80k on her return stream when everyone else were doubters

>>28813472
RIP anon's balls

>>28813472
Are you a ball farmer?

>>28813295
I thought you talk about that fujo game.

>>28813620
Brown skin is debuff curse... broken

so amelia, kiara and baelz are the only ens who can't break 10k on empty slots more often than not? well noted

>>28813688
With 3 days left, it seems impossible for none of them to reach 100k at least. Some of them are approaching 200k followers on Twitter already.

>>28813295
>As big as Luxiem
Literally impossible. Being as big as Noctyx would already be a huge success. 1-3k is my guess, will probably mog Yugo at least since he keeps declining.

>>28813867
Why? Luxiem get shit on by holoID these days.

>>28813818
Broken by having one of the most SEX designs an EN corpo has ever had. It's not Pako's fault that Sana is aggressively unsexy in personality.

>>28813833
Add Mori too. No one cares about her streaming games.

>>28813978
>HoloID is all Kobo

>>28806858
I'm pretty sure open fight would be against NDA so... like Rushia? Of course a lot depends from who started shit and if other members backed them etc. but the whole culture in hololive is anti-drama so it would have to be a serious shitshow behind the scenes.

When will they reclaim this tittle bros?

>>28813978
They get shit on by Kobo and only Kobo. They still blow out the rest of ID.

>>28814048
Let see if you answer this honestly or if you're not man enough.
Is kobo holoID?
Is holoID mogging luxitrash.
Your move kindumb.

>>28813978
>Expecting StarsEN to get 5k, the bottom of Luxiem
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>28814174
Look man I dislike Luxiem as much as the next guy but this is just stupid. That's like saying NijiJP mogged HoloJP last month because of Salome.

>>28814086
It's their own fault for debuting too many talents and failing to create a box or cohesive company culture. Imagine if Niji was just their top 40 talents. They would probably be above Hololive still.

>>28813833
Depends on the stream. Kronii, Mumei and Fauna can't get 10k either if they're streaming trash.
We got a preview that Neon White numbers would be ugly when Selen barely got 2k with it.

>>28813978
Being bigger than Luxiem would mean they get higher CCV than Bae. You really think that's happening?

>>28814294
I didn't bother to respond because he's clearly shitposting or brain damaged.

>>28814294
Yes. We can at least admit that Salome kicked Hololive's ass, why can't you admit the same

>>28809099
If they can beat every HoloID that's not Kobo, i'll consider it's a success

>>28814422
im actually impressed even luca surprassed vox in the collab.
if it wasnt for that spike vox would have been 7k

OK, here's a theory that isn't just shitposting about kobo. This stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdtfTW68qWc will be a barometer for excitement about StarsEN. If it's a big outlier for Roberu, it's a bullish sign.

>>28814422
What's the point of this? Is this detailed of a breakdown showing anything interesting?

>>28814446
Salome kicked Hololive's ass for sure, but not NijiJP. Why are you then treating Kobo as if she's the whole branch?

>>28814523
remove's (most) z's and shows some statistical highlights

>>28814493
EN people won't watch JP streams. HoloEN fans don't even watch JP streams.

>>28814479
I'd be shocked if ALL of Tempus or iLuna beat Kaela/Zeta. Some of them will, not all.

>>28814605
>but not NijiJP

>>28814446
>We

>>28814485
Vox gets demolished in these group POVs often, but I'm more surprised that Shu wins by a wide margin every time.
He won during prop night, he won during Valorant and he won last night too.
Dude has the 2nd worst numbers in Luxiem only because he streams mostly in NA times. If he streamed in CN times too, he could cripple Vox pretty hard by overlapping him.

>>28814378
it could be tho
everyone here think myth was a flop when they haven't even debuted yet

>>28814493
gonna be hard using starjp to use as a barometer for En success. Unless you mean ho much more he can get than usual.
it is different than say vox sim 4 for luna since we have story data and belong tot he same branch.

Phase Connect girls gettimg around 300 CCV per stream. For a small corpo these are solid numbers.

>>28814674
Shu knows japanese that is why so has a bigger japanese that vox lacks.

>>28814699
There's literally no market for Tempus in EN. They're DOA

>>28814699
>everyone here
Ah yes, the majority of the Internet is all here

>>28814785
And you think there is a market for Iluna??

>>28814754
Still not beating Kuzuha, fuck off

>>28814523 (me)
this is one of the best I have

>>28814866
trannies will watch trannies, right?

>>28814893
>trannies will watch
lmao

>>28814893
Trannies actually dont watch streams. They are too busy on twitter

>>28814620
Kaela and Zeta get good numbers sometimes and it's funny when they beat Noctyx, but they stream a lot so their medians/averages aren't that good compared to NijiEN. ILUMA should have no trouble matching, but my prediction for Tempus stays at 1k being optimistic.

>>28814893
>trannies
>watching anything other than themselves
lol
lmao

>>28814866
Yes, I think there are more people interested in an array of fujobaits, lolis, shotas, and big titty girls than they are in 4 dudes

>>28809555
To be fair there was an existing rrat that Pekora invented the 3rd gen funnel and basically holobox by effect.(It was either Pekora or Flare apparently). It would be interesting what the stream schedule/content would look like if it was coordinated by her.

>>28814893
this actually explains nijiEN ccv pretty well, the are losing 41% of their viewers constantly

>>28814999
Then you are delusional. There is not a single person who wants to watch those archetypes. Dudes at least have maybe 500 people that will watch them, there are 0 alphabet faggots who will watch streamers

>>28814866
Yes, historically speaking every new NijiEN wave in the past 6 months has gotten 2k and more. There's no reason to think iLUMA will get worse numbers than say Ethyria when all predebut numbers point to then being closer to Noctyx.

>>28814866
Even if most of their Twitter fans won't be avid watchers of them, their existence does show their interest for them.

>>28814775
Shu has about 30-35% overlap with the main JP branch, the rest of the guys have 10-20%.

>>28814893
Only IF (huge if):
They're not tweeting hate for some random child for saying trap.
They're not having a mental breakdown because someone failed to use their made up pronoun.
They're not having an hormonal crisis.
They're not getting kicked out of the house.
They're not too depressed to function.
Idk anon I wouldn't count on them for anything.

>>28793895
We are coming up with explanations for what we see happening
You are trying to get back at the evil holobronies for speaking badly of your company
We are not the same

>>28815125
Exactly, predebut Twitter numbers aren't a good indicator of post debut buff numbers (lol Irys got 100k+ likes on her Twitter jail tweet a year ago), but it shows the interest is there.
The debut numbers are going to be big at least.

>>28815301
burn in hell, you crossthreading bag of shit.

>>28815125
>they don't watch streams, they don't buy merch, they don't watch vods, they don't donate
man they are really helpful

>>28813295
they will be the biggest failures in the company
they should've used the money to pay for gura's mental therapy instead

>>28811077
>Maria for her great design, loli buff, and good voice
you might say she's the gura killer

>>28815084
Weebs will watch Iluna. No one will watch Tempus

>>28815411
We don't have merch numbers for NijiEN so we don't know, but NijiEN fans are quite generous with donations, especially chink females.

>>28815531
>Weebs will watch Iluna
lmao

>>28815511
You just jinxed her

>>28813833
This.
You guys saying shit about them but getting these numbers when playing these debuff shit is an achievement in itself.

How fucking hard is it for you people to understand the market is finite. You can't just debut 100 livers and assume each one will reach new people to expand the brand reach, that's not how this shit works

Ilumi will at best steal 2k each from everyone else in Nijisanji to sustain themselves, they won't add anything to the mostly static pool of viewers which currently exist

>>28815550
you were talking about twitter trannies fans or chinks?

>>28815607
It worked in KR and ID why not EN?

>>28815617
Their Twitter fans are the chinks that donate. They don't stay for the rest of the stream which is why their viewer retention is shit. Fangirls just come in, drop SCs, and go back to Twitter.

>>28815607
>they make the same retarded jokes for the same retarded people
but nijikeks think they will get a "new audience" lmao

>>28815607
I don't think that's always a truism but it's important that 1. a gen has big hype to reach and attract new potential customers and/or 2. the gen has something unique to offer, a niche not covered by existing talents
I have no idea if that criteria is satisfied by Ilium

>>28815607
When are you going to realize that most vtuber agencies don't have all of their talents streaming at a given moment?

>>28814493
That will be a decent bellwether for how the Stars audience feels about Tempus, but that's about it.

>>28808886
redditor mentality...

>>28815607
CN is an untapped market. There's still room for growth.

>>28815607
This hasn't happened despite what you claim.
Even in Japan, HoloX debuting didn't steal viewers from anyone and on Niji's side, Salome/Voltaction didn't affect anyone's numbers.

On the EN side, Noctyx barely affected the girl's numbers, who actually inclined slightly after because the brand got bigger. Council always expands the net viewer count when they overlap with Myth.
The truth is the viewer pool increases with each new Gen, which is needed to replace the people who fall off and move onto something else.

Tempus hype is gone.

>>28815987
kek

>>28815995
Riku must think like this anon lmao

>>28814493
The number to remember is Bae x Roberu stream which got about 8k ccv. Roberu averages about 1.5k ccv so we are looking at about 6.5k EOPs who decided to watch homos. If Holostars can average 6k, they would be a massive success.

>>28815511
Maria seems to good for that trash branch. Feel sad she has to wade around in the filth with the rest of them

>>28815995
Noctyx killed Vox and Finana's numbers.

>>28815607
>>28815695
>>28815774
To expand on this: Who do you think are the people liking and Retweeting ILUNA's Tweets and subscribing to their channels en masse?

Are they mostly new people, or are they just the same people who Like and Retweet all Nijisanji Livers? Are they new fans who were not actively engaged before this point, or merely old NijiEN fans showing their support to the newbies?

ILUNA has no fanbase which wasn't preexisting. They pander to exactly the same demographic as before, in the same ways but not as fresh, and their reception has no hype.

>>28815607
this. I kinda stopped caring about watching new streamers. now only come back to watch my favourites.

>>28809450
Anon, it's still a Hololive sub, and a lot has happened in Hololive for the last few days

>>28816136
Finana's numbers were shit before Noctyx and after and Vox is getting murdered by Mysta overlap. The only Noctyx that overlaps him is Yugo, who gets scraps.

>>28816136
Noctyx isn't stealing anyone's numbers. Vox numbers are declining because of burnout and fallout from the Reimu stuff.
Finana decline is because she's actually regressed as a streamer and is being groomed by her private discord into not improving herself

>>28816149
Bear in mind that roughly 25% of twitter's userbase are bots.

>>28816101
If Holostars EN averaged above 5K I will literally cut my dick off

>>28816257
And another 50% are Japanese Nijisanji fans who retweet EN stuff but don't actually watch them.

>>28816149
98% niji en fans 2% people that subscribed to remember when they will debut and judge if they are worth it

>>28816149
You can literally replace all the "NijiEN" in this post with "Holo" and the same thing holds, so what's your point?
That's why people go corpo, to have access to a fanbase that is already established.