/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>28788005
Most streamers have other jobs to supplement income, and the corp itself generally has low overhead since they usually only run with a couple staff members. The guys who start them are generally independently wealthy as well, so they only need to pay a manager (maybe) and for the cost of models/equipment.

>>28788005
They're all vtubing on the side, and many of them, including the girl you posted, live with their parents. As >>28788103 said, other than paying a few managers and investing in the models, there aren't too many other associated costs.

>>28788005
They have other jobs. I think most of them do vtubing as a hobby.

>>28788005
more like holo is making hot bank and small corpos are making average bank

>>28788005
give sad girls phones
take half their income

>>28789548
Phase Connect gen 1 also gets paid a small salary. Which was smart because it meant they could stream without having to worry about work hours. Imagine starting a small vtuber company and all your talents are spending most of their day wage-slaving before coming home dead tired to stream for an hour or two. That's not going to get your company off the ground.

>>28789548
Based rent seeker

>>28790313
Your reps. They renegotiated to get a bigger cut of donos in exchange for ditching the salary.

>>28794318
That's stupid AF unless the salary was literally fucking nothing

>>28794318
I'll admit that I didn't know they ditched it. Nice that they grew enough to not need the "training wheels" anymore.

>>28788005
look here you have an interview with a guy who did not know how to manage his vtubers company and exploded just throwing money
https://youtu.be/9zukpiSTr5M

>>28789548
I want to fuck the fish

>>28796469
Really now

I don't know how much they get after cuts, but the ones I watch get hundreds of USD in SCs per stream.

>>28796469
You're too late.

>>28794755
>>28795374
All the girls in PC make decent amount with donos now.
PC has grown to the point where just about every girl is a 3view, except for the rabbit who is getting close to 4view tier.

>>28798229
I don't think anyone knows for certain, but the number usually thrown around is 50%, after Youtube's 30% cut. So 35% in their pocket and the same to the corp. Realistically a small corpo tuber is not surviving off that unless they live in a third world country. So the company's cut may be smaller. Just as an example of a 'relatively' well off small corpo tuber: Pippa made $905 over the last 7 days. Her take home would be $316.75 if the cut above was accurate. That is well below the poverty line in America and actually pretty close to a minimum wage job. Everyone in PC would be living on ramen in that case. No idea how ad revenue and merchandise factor in though.

>>28799912
That number isn't accurate because PC girls also use streamelements.

>>28800074
A good point. Completely forgot about that. Are those numbers publicly available?

>>28800144
No.
I believe a large amount of income for the girls comes from memberships and merch/voicepack sales, based on what several of them have said.

>>28788005
I want to fuck sara

>>28799441
Come back...

>>28794318
Going to be hard to do reps on something you just invented, anon.

>>28799912
>>28789548
>the number usually thrown around is 50%
I'd be very surprised if the small companies would take the same cut that Hololive does, since they have a lot less to offer to their talents than the big corporations do.
Fish also seems to plan long term, since he has enough money to not be forced to go full greed immediately.

>>28789548
please save Prism fishman...specifically Rita, Luto, and Sara don't let them rot because of sony's incompetence with vtubers

>>28788005
HOLY FUCK MY DICK, WHO IS THIS

>>28809659
https://www.youtube.com/c/SaraNagare
beware she's australian

>>28809793
i dont give a fuck, my dick needs an answer

>>28788103
>>28788005
Phase connect gen1 contracts had literally a floor salary in case the girl didn't make enough for a living, they removed it after because it was useless, they all made more than that.

>>28795374
>>28794755
>>28794318
The salary was a FLOOR salary, a guaranteed amount of money no matter what the vtuber brought, like a safety net. Yeah the company ended up working well so it ended up not needed hence the change in contract.

>>28809793
>big booba
>choco
>australian
I like that.

>>28809793
>beware
Her accent is one of the more fancy-sounding Aussie, but she can go stereotypical for the meme.

>>28799912
That's surprising and disappointing given how responsible they are for my good mood.

>>28811562
>Her accent is one of the more fancy-sounding Aussie
Mate, she sounds like a mix of Rebel Wilson, and some rando from cabo.
No hate, but how is that fancy?

>>28788005
The money is often thigh, it depends for each.

Most of the time there is a sizeable investment initially, a bet to make back the money used the first year or so.
Some companies had a big initial investment like Phase Connect (group of investor and CEO has previous background in managing companies), Cyberlive (very shady origin for the money but ton of it), others like Tsunderia didn't have much money to begin with and it showed with very inconsistent model quality for gen 1.

Each company has different contracts and a very different amount of staff, some unpaid some paid, which impacts their performance.
Tsunderia had almost no staff, but had Slugma/Urara who was doing the work of 5 people and ended quitting after a while.
They've always have been short on money.

CyberLive literally didn't have staff, the only staff (apparently gf of the ceo) did jack shit to the point she was fired, and their main vtuber (Lumi) was forced to do her job and officially appointed manager.
Their 2nd gen manager vera was so professional she took part in a private group chat to shit talk Lumi, the leaks showed basically high school gossip tier messages. It leads to Lumi leaving, with most of the company revenue since she was bringing all the money. Cyberlive disbanded shortly after to no one's surprise.
Gen1 contact was also only 15% of revenue share, full freedom, 3D model shortly after debut and more, way too good to not be suspicious.

Phase connect has been the most competent so far, interview from their CEO does show someone who came in with little knowledge of vtuber but knowledge of company management. Their share is sizeable (around 40%), they actually get great models without overpaying (PRISM has top tier model but pay famous/expensive artists for it) and overall no expense is left to luck.
Getting a deal with Lumi also boosted them even more, both side grew from it.

Many small companies however don't get anywhere close to this and just fail in the first months or run at a loss forever.

>>28811914
Where did you get the info from that PC has investors?
As far as I know, fishman and his co-founder supplied the seed money themselves.

>>28811817
I'm not Australian. Also I thought her Wine Mom impression was even more fancy sounding.

Also I love her.

>>28812203
speaking of its cute when she talks about her mom watching the streams in the den and making her little lunchables and snacks and such to eat on break

>>28788005
I see after people tire of the constent Niji vs Holo bickering now Phase connect is the bullying target for /vt/. And in this humor Anon may I ask you why you didn't post this thread 6 months ago? Surely you have reason

>>28811914
>Tsunderia didn't have much money to begin with and it showed with very inconsistent model quality for gen 1.
Are you talking about their actual first generation (Kana, Char, and Purin) or their first generation that they held auditions for (Kallin, Meru, Ria, and Yuuna)? Kana's artist was Nacho and both Char and Purin's artist was Rosuuri, all extremely high-quality models.
Quest had a more disjointed look to them, but I think that's because each one chose their own model artist. It's not much of a surprise that using that approach, they wouldn't look entirely cohesive (plus Yuuna already had her model). Having said that, Kallin's model has some of the best L2D face tracking I've ever seen, and Ria's design and model are still missed.
I don't know how much PC paid for their new generation models, but it had to have been a fuckload since they got what, 3 Holomamas? Regardless of quality, when you go the Holomama route, you're going to be overpaying by some amount

>>28812324
Do you have drain bamage?

>>28812627
Pc new gen had 2 holomama - pekora and shion. 1 nijimama - hoshikawa. 1 extremely expensive chinese mama - bison. 1 vshojomama - nyanners. And mins

>>28812627
>Ria's design and model are still missed
You can bet I do. I fucking miss her doing cute rat noises while nibbling on sweets.

you can make a living with 500-1000 viewers if you dont stream from some stupid expensive city

>>28812627
Talked about Gen1 not Gen0
Gen0 had their model separately and kinda just came as a group under Tsunderia but it's completely different, barely count as a gen.

Meru initial model and Bat's one were a joke and the quality and theme was not consistent at all.

>>28812044
Used the wrong word then I'm ESL, I meant it in the sense that Fishman and his friends made the initial "investment" although it's closer to providing the "initial capital" (I'm not sure how it get called in English) technically I suppose, they don't (or didn't) have shareholders owning part of the company indeed, still have full power of decision.

>>28788005
Good ol' money laundering

>>28813574
Much less than this, almost no one is above 500 viewers in vtubing, you can make a living with 200 viewers easily, the amount of money per viewer varies greatly per channel.
For example when she was active, Beatani made over 60K$ in a year, with like 50-100 viewers

>>28814115
Lumi has been getting thousands in anonymous gift sub or anonymous donations
Sometimes I wonder if people use this for dirty money as the streamer isn't at risk they can just say they couldn't know.

>>28813064
Oh then fuck yes they absolutely overpaid. Good quality, but for a substantial markup.
>>28813804
In a vacuum, all the original models are somewhere between good and great. But as a generation, you can chalk the inconsistency up to the previous management. Shit like saying one can't be a loli, but then another is incredibly loli. Having a solid theme for the generation, and then walking back how strictly they stick to it. It sounds like there was no consistent direction from management as a whole going by what some of the graduates have said, but it sounds like they're on a much better path with Dream and the new managers

>>28814623
>In a vacuum, all the original models are somewhere between good and great
I like Tsunderia and they were kind of pioneers in that model, taking a lot of risk.

But good models? Compared to other small corpos their gen 1 stick out like a sore thumb for half of it, it was average quality at best for meru and bat even the rigging was lacking, they clearly went for cheap. Bat almost looks like a 3d model.
Regardless the overall consistency of models within a gen is indeed also important and this gen was all over the place.

I watched all of them for a while, even meru crying every stream, and still have this old clip of ria https://streamable.com/tupd53 but their financial struggle was never a secret, S-train really ran the company to the ground despite Slugma best effort and once S-train was gone the damage was already done
A shame cause they got some amazing singers in the recent gen

>>28815114
oof, that model was really not a gift

>>28815114
Meanwhile at phase connect...

>>28811914
>Their share is sizeable (around 40%)
You don't actually have a source for that.

>>28815186
Hat's still cute though.

>>28816091
An official source? Of course not, you'll never have one. You think those companies are sharing that kind of information out in the open like that? However most people be it staff talent or people helping behind the scene are /here/ and it's really not that hard to know someone who know the contracts.
Yeah it's an average and you'll never see any official source on that, no shit.

Some contracts were renegotiate since then, I also don't know to which extent gen2 contracts are different from the 1st gen (first gens often have better deals). Lumi is a special case, came with her model and audience, there is 0 chance she agreed on to join under such conditions otherwise she'd just be indie so her contract is completely different.

You don't have to trust some random anon of course, but if you think 2 seconds about it, there aren't many possibilities : Phase Connect runs a lot of staff for a small corpo and pay for marketing and clippers and all. Their CEO doesn't throw money like charity however and have shown to be a pretty good businessman so far. Even if you don't take my words for it, 40% minimum is just expected under those conditions, I wouldn't be surprised if gen2 is at 50/50.

>>28799912
>>28788536
>>28788103
you guys are all retarded for focusing on SCs this much. Yeah they are the only figures we can publicly access but that doesn't mean it's the entirety of thier income

>>28820533
All decent corpos run around 30-50 in general, Cyberlive's 15% was an exception that will never happen again, only if some rich kid who never ran a business wanna start another corpo but doubtful.

>>28820820
I agree with the general idea but those graphs are retarded, ads don't pay this much at all, at least not for 200 or 2000 viewers.
Subs/memberships and donos, for small corpos, still make most of the revenue. They do have some merch sometimes (like Tsunderia selling rocks). Ads pay nothing and sponsors are scarce at this size, when they happen you know about it since they have to announce if a stream is a sponsored shill stream.

>>28820820
>ads this big
no

>>28820820
Most of these corps aren't 2k+ viewer streamers. The company in the OP is full of 2views, and you're using graphs made by one of the biggest twitch streamers, who hasn't been a 2view for over half a decade. SCs aren't the entirety, sure, but they are definitely a substantial portion of their income

Jesus the amount of copium in this thread. Just accept that your 2 view oshiis are probably ewhores with a more successful onlyfans business on the side that you don’t know about.

>>28821544
if my 2 view oshi has an onlyfan respect for him he must have been woring on his body for a while

>>28821291
>>28821222
you are not a content creator, so I'm going to trust the guy who's actually a content creator over random fuckers on 4chan

>>28821863
I am though, but beside that ask any other <500viewers streamer about ad revenue and see them die from laughter

>>28821942
yeah and I'm the Queen of England

>>28821863
how new, twitch ad revenue has been a joke in years, peanuts, it's why no one activate those fucking ads outside the mandatory ones

>>28822066
see >>28821863

as revenue does NOT matter for streamers on YouTube as most of their streams will be unmonetized because Susan is a super agressice copyright AI
several chubas have been quoted to say that “most” or “90%+” of their streams are not monetised on YouTube
they’re basically only getting membership money and superchats or otherwise

>>28821994
Yeah hes not gonna be able to prive his claims because 1.) No one wants to admit theyre on 4chan 2.) He's clearly lying about it to make a point that doesnt make sense anyway.

>>28822423
that is absolutely retarded and I'm going to need to see some proof to accept it

>>28821863
Lumi said how much she made from ads. It was few dollars. In donos she made thousands.

>>28788005
the girls whore themselves out for money

>>28822423
And on Twitch they pay jack shit, you bother all your viewer to earn 3.50$ per 1000 viewers, so if you're a 2view with 100 viewers (already not bad), you're making 35 cents over that ad, not worth at all the viewers lost during it.

>>28822476
>>28821863
>>28821994
nta but it's stupid to argue over something that has been common knowledge of all creators on twitch for years, search about Twitch CPM, 3.50$/1000 viewers
That guy is literally verified content creator https://qr.ae/pvkLm9 and it's easy to find other mentions of this, one one in their right mind would run ads unless they're like at 10K+ viewers and just before ending stream or having a break.
Twitch ad revenue is a fucking joke, and it's why they've started reworking it last month but mostly for partners so far.

>>28822557
I can't believe you cannot know something literally every indie mentions, ads are a joke

I know >reddit but some actual streamers use their verified account there too
https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/7p0snb/ad_revenue_twitch_affiliate/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/dexebg/so_how_does_it_all_work_twitch_affiliate_ad/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/7p0snb/ad_revenue_twitch_affiliate/
there are hundreds others posts on Internet of people complaining about ad payout being stupidly low to the point no one wanna run them

using asmongold is probably not a good example as well since he’s one of the worlds biggest streamers and we’re talking small corpo vtubers here
a lot of big Twitch streamers also play by different rules with different contracts

>>28822850
>>28821863
On top of this many of those 1000 viewers will have adblock, so likely gonna hear 1 or 2 dollars for showing your viewers an ad, what a scam.

>>28823047
Yeah, the biggest twitch streamers are not only partner but partner with special renegotiated contracts, playing outside the rules of 99% of streamers, hardly can get less representative.

>>28821994
There are likely as many viewers as there are 2 view vtubers around here, outside of holo/niji threads at least.

>>28822557
>>28821863
https://influencermarketinghub.com/twitch-money-calculator/
Basically if you're really big Twitch can negotiate special ad contracts but for the overwhelming majority of people it's peanuts never worth rolling an ad at all, a few dozen cents per ad if you're lucky.

>>28823544
I don't care, I'll trust someone who made it like asmongold over some random article, always trust successful people for information, they're there for a reason

>>28823892
you have 2 digit IQ bro

are all asmonfags like this?

>>28788005
Not doing what that guy who got interviewed by Pippa:
https://youtu.be/9zukpiSTr5M

>>28809611
You mean Tsunderia. Fishman has a bigger chance of saving them. And not just because Pippa wants Lisa.

>>28823892
That's like trusting a billionaire on how much regular groceries cost because "he made it".

>>28815327
Anon, if you're going to compare official artwork instead of the actual models, then at least compare it to something like this. Otherwise you're being disingenuous

>>28831727
I personally think the official models of Phase looks much better than that drawing.

I love Sara!

>>28834865
watching her play dread has been fun

>>28788005
they dont, theyre all doa.

>talking about what Tsunderia gen1 looked like originally, and then going on to talk about how things improved for Tsundream
>totally overlooking Miori and the revisions made later
Hanabi and Orla's models aren't great, I'll admit. There was another gen1 collab where they all had matching berets but I can't find it now

>>28840946
Orla admitted that she pushed for her model to be garish and generally unappealing. Hanabi's model is perfectly fine, just not particularly eye-catching. Which is really surprising considering she was the original character designer of Ria and Kallin. I'm holding out hope for a really amazing 2.0 for her

>>28841502
I will never understand people that make or want their model purposely ugly...what a stupid idea
also Hanabi's voice really filtered me then it only got worse when she moved home and you could hear her family yelling at each other in I guess indo in the background

>>28788005
sex appeal

>>28788005
cute

>>28840946
>totally overlooking Miori and the revisions made later
Because that was not the point, INITIALLY they went cheap, yeah she got an upgrade and I'm happy for her, when I tuned back into her stream after months not watching she also sounded much more cheerful which made me happy to hear.

Nevertheless, Tsunderia has always been on a tighter budget than the "big" small corpos similar to them, it's not even an insult or what, they managed to more or less stay afloat, while Cyberlive drowned despite their funding. They also actually scouted some great talents in their gen3.

>>28809793
that's even better!