/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

terminal cases of virginity

>>28766561
>unicorn is a bi or pansexual female willing to take part in a threesome

Wait, Watson is doing threesomes? I thought she only had one bf.

>>28766561
Your oshi just got magged on twitter btw.

What's a unicorn. Is that the western translation of Gachikoi?

>>28767066
Kind of, but unicorn fans are also called unicorns even in JP. t. browses 5ch regularly

>>28767189
how do you when it's not in english

>>28766818
Which stream is this from?

>>28766561
1 unicorn >= 2000 antis
1 unicorn >= 1000 tourist
1 unicorn >= 500 subs
1 unicorn >= 100 members

Im not a unicorn (Im not that rich)
But Unicorns
>buy merch
>buy mermbership
>gift membership
>give Superchat

>We can seethe all we want but theyre the reason a chubba thrives
>unlike you, youre just a unemployed poor FAGGOT

>>28767236
They write it as ユニコーン . If you try to look up archives/tweets around Rushia's yab period (10~26 Feb), you'll find a lot of them.

>>28766561
What is wrong with wanting an oasis of purity in this cold shitty world. I don't agree with harassing the chuubas to be what you want them to be. But I also don't think it's wrong for people to desire for a pure idol and express it.

>>28768015
No one in EN is pure. Except for Gura

>>28768134
Defiled by BBC

>>28767925
True ig, thank you for all your support dear unicorns, you help keep your oshis job profitable.

>>28766561
Fuck them with the force of 100 hundred suns. Absolute blight on everyone.
>>28767066
No. Gachikois love their oshi and would change their behaviour when their idol would really want something even if they disagree. Unicorns are egocentric fucks that do everything they can to force the idol to cater to them and them alone and will go full anti if she DARES to go against their fucked up wishes. Unicorns need to die.
>>28767189
Retard spouting shit he knows nothing about

>>28768423
Retard spouting shit he knows nothing about, shouting retard spouting shit he knows nothing about at people.

>>28768518
Stop posting anon, there's only dumb shit coming out of your mouth

>>28766561
Only ones who still believe women can walk another path other than being whores but time and time again get proven otherwise.

>>28766561
Unicorns are fine. There's nothing wrong with liking a desirable quality in women. The only bad unicorns are the ones who go schizo and overreact.

>>28766561
The RX-0s a kit which often suffers from being a Grenade depending on the version and it's Why I've never gotten one yet

>>28766561
>(not the horse)
unicorns don't exist anon

>>28767066
Gachikoi means Gachi = seriously Koi = love(romantic)

Unicorn is a play on the legendary unicorns of old, the original descriptions from ancient history specifically mention that unicorns only appear before pure virgins.

These two are not the same, though people can be both or neither.

>>28766561
they dont support talent freedom so theyre shitty holobronys and they suck

Unicorn will kill you if you ignore them after graduation, that's why Rushia trying real hard to redebut

>>28768518
>>28768423
both cuckolds!

>>28768423
>No. Gachikois love their oshi and would change their behaviour when their idol would really want something even if they disagree.
Forget gachikoi, I don't even think you understand what romantic love.
You are aware that platonic love like familial love or agape or devotion or whatever are entirely seperate beasts from romantic love? Or do you just pretend words mean whatever you want them to like most retards here

Unicorns sounds based how do i become one?

>>28766561
there's a reason hololive (no BFs, no male interaction) did much better than Niji EN girls

>>28766561
They are attracted to virgins, and girls hate them because they are very insecure and selfish. I personally don't care.

>>28773780
what virgins?

>>28767925
Thank you for paying. I will use the money for condoms. Don't want to get her pregnant yet.

>>28766561
They're based

>>28766561

Unicorns are fine as long as they're not Gachikoi

>>28773839
Shhh, don't tell them.

>>28773891
This sad... Absolute delusion of these people.

>>28766561
>Why is it so small?
Ah I remember this pic...

>>28773839

Okay Ollie is definitely a virgin lol

>>28766561
Unicorns are the reason any of our oshis exist so you better be thankful

>>28774115
>he doesn't know about yubigate

>>28767925
The cold hard truth that those fucking reddit tourists and twittards continue to willfully ignore.

>>28767298
The one where Miko groped Aki's tits and buried her face in them and Choco's

>>28774204
unicorns should still be roundly mocked

>>28774166

using Yubis doesn't take your virginity away anon wtf.

>>28767925
Cuck cope
Most big supporters aren't unicorns, and most unicorns aren't rich.

>>28774323
Go ahead. I'm not one, but I at least recognize that without them, Hololive wouldn't be as lucrative as it is today.

>>28766561
The only things keeping girls from going vshojo/NijiEN tier

>>28774384

>Most big supporters aren't unicorns, and most unicorns aren't rich.

Wait wtf? how the hell do they get the money?

>>28774384
Proof?
out of your own ass.

>>28774503
mommy and daddy and your taxes

>>28774384
>Most big supporters aren't unicorns, and most unicorns aren't rich.
Proof?

>>28774503
by being wageslaves and spending all their wage to their oshi like a true wagecuck

>>28773241
Forget love, you don't even know English.
>romantic
A unicorn is crushing on a character, not in love with a person. You don't have any potential for fulfilled romantic love if your feelings are not reciprocated and your feelings are based on make pretend if all you know is the facade they show to tens or even thousands of people at the same time.
It's why you don't marry a workmate just because you worked together for 5 years. You simply don't know a person enough just by getting to know their professional side. So you ask them out first and see if your feelings are reciprocated. Everything else is love of a person you made up; vain bullshit that's just leading to at least one out of two people to suffer if mistaken for the real deal.

>>28774618
doubt they even read their SCs and forget they exist 2 seconds later even if they do lol

>>28774130
Do you know how unhealthy it is for your oshi AND for the fanbase AND for unicorn? It normalizes exploitation of mentally weak people. Fucking retards I swear. I am gonna become normie and drop this fucking hobby

>>28774525
>>28774581
>makes claim without proof
>asks for proof it isn't true

>>28774705
healthy
>>28774130
unhealthy

>>28774705
why does it matter as long as everyone involved is happy

>>28774705
>It normalizes exploitation of mentally weak people
So, just like any other big spenders from any other hobbies? Just fuck off already normalfag.

>>28774779
when ame told her goslings (rightfully) to grow up the other day, their reaction said it all
nothing awaits the obsessed except pain (deservedly)

>>28774705
>It normalizes exploitation of mentally weak people.
Just don't be mentally weak. Duh.

>>28774536 >>28774536

>mommy and daddy...

okay that one; understandable, EZ.

>by being wageslaves and spending all their wage to their oshi like a true wagecuck

How do they even survive?

I've only aka supa once a year ago and I'm still remorseful about that.

>>28774840
>So, just like any other big spenders from any other hobbies?
In other words you are saying
>It is popular so it is okay
kys

>>28774840
grow up and stop being so fickle, your oshi is getting dicked

>>28774842
so no one should ever get into a relationship because they'd risk being upset in case of a breakup?

>>28774705
>>28774762
lol retards
go back already

>>28774966
But it wasn't a relationship. She never knew your name, how you look or your voice

>>28774966
except in this case it's a girl you've never met and she doesn't know you exist
and receives money from 5000+ other men on the regular

>>28774966
you dumb nigger, you aren't even getting in a relationship with her. what a f4gt go an hero

>>28768015
I can understand unicorns that don't want any male interaction in the chuuba's content, but doxxcorns who actually care about the rm make no sense to me. In 99% of cases vtubers could fuck daily at least for a while before being found out, if you care about irl stuff follow 3D idols or become a suggar daddy. That way you actually know a decent amount about their life.

>>28774647
I missed the part where you justify your definition of a term, gachikoi, that specifically refers to romantic love. Even if literally everything youbsaid was true(it isn't), it STILL doesn't corroborate what you said earlier in the thread. Use another term. Gachikoi means specifically romantic love, down to the kanji used.

>>28775043
i'm out of condoms, get your wallet out

>>28775114
funny how this is literally the only argument anti unicorns can ever make
post your cuck fantasies in the Ame thread like the rest of /vt/

>>28775045
>it's bad even if it brings them happiness because sometimes it ends and they become sad
that's your argument, it's shallow and applies to basically anything one could find hapiness in.

>>28775164
>unicorn calling someone a cuck
you can't do this

>>28775164
no the argument is, men are funnier than women, men are more skill than women, men are more entertaining than women, the reason you watch women is because you are attracted to them period, end of story

>>28774963
Fuck off, go latch at new thing already.
>>28774945
That's how the world works, fag.

>>28775164
>no arguments
what are these. Unicorns are blinded by illusions confirmed
>>28775059
>>28774705
>>28775063

>>28766561
They enjoy pretending to be in a relationship (fake) with a pure (usually fake) girl. They're either delusional enough to pretend that they're their oshi's true love, or enjoy being cucked by every other viewer the chuuba's also baiting.

>>28774945
Are you legally retarded or just naive?

>>28775248
this
>>28775257
>>28775179
cope with your sunk cost fallacy

>>28774966
She even doesn't know you. Lmao. How can you even be in a relationship when all she knows about you is that you superchat a lot? Do you think she cares if you leave her membership? Only a 2view cares about that. So groom one if you are desperate, the lower the view, the better

Sure are a lot of seething teamates itt

>>28775179
your argument doesn't even hold water, no one's gonna agree with you because your selfish, try to tell to that to the other unicorns vying for the attention of your Oshi, I guarantee all of you will fight to the death because you're selfish

>>28775346
It's crazy to think that Ame ever had unicorns. Most are hopefully just shitposters

>>28775248
>you watch women because you arent gay
is this supposed to be an argument?

>>28766561
I like the ones that donate money to my oshi. The downside is that it leads to unicorns claiming they're the most important paypigs when they're a tiny minority outside of the JP sphere.

>>28775394
A lot of them hopped on the Vtuber trend in 2020, even Reddit was posting shit like:
>EThots don't love their fans, Vtubers will never want your money and they love you
I suspect a lot of these posts were made by unicorns jumping from Twitch.

>>28775394
>>28775346
something is wrong with them, didn't you see the massive bricks of text left by depressed goslings when ame told them to improve themselves?

>>28775379
False dichotomy.
There are positions between cuck and control freak.

>>28775341
i don't even have an oshi, i have one (1) membership to that one vtuber who likes rocket launches because it was gifted to me and i don't send supas or buy merch either. It's just retarded to villify something that people find happiness in for no other reason than it possibly ending sourly

>>28774130
Who has the most unicorns in EN

>>28775591
and that is fine until they become control freaks, which they almost always do

>>28774427
> I'm not one of them
Definitely something a unicorn would say

>>28775627
>that is fine until they become control freaks, which they almost always do
Prove it.

>>28774525
Where's your proof that they are

Leave no bait thread unmagged. Stay magging bros

>>28775717
look around

>>28775402
retard

This thread sucks, I am going to mag out

>>28775627
what does that make you then, trying to control how others engage in their hobby?

>>28775686
Believe what you want, anon. Still won't change the facts.

>>28775627
For some reason, their biggests donors only happen to be psychopathic control freaks with female streamers, Male streamers, despite having Unicorns, never get that attention.

it shows that this is some way for Beta cucks to "regain control of their Manliness" whenever they try to control their oshi

>>28775846
not trying to control anyone, just laughing at them

>>28775884
fujos are way worse, do you live under a rock?

Sorry unicorns, all your oshis have been Magged

>>28775897
says the control freak to justify his freakish behavior

>>28775924
Yeah, I agree. Say what you want about unicorns and cucks, but fujos are just something else entirely...

>>28776000
improve yourself

>>28775813
>using /vt/ shitposting as a source
The problem wasn't even about her doing something, it was about her response to people who didn't want it. If you're not betraying your fans by breaking promises you can do what you want but disrespecting the preferences of other people as somehow lesser than for no reason hut to cause hurt feelings is not something to be encouraged.
Personally I only unicorn for oshis who make explicit promises because I feel that's reasonable People should keep their promises, after all. But often times vtubers benefit from keeping things vague while suffering none of the downsides, which is not quite right in my view either.

>>28775897
>not trying to control them
You are literally trying to shame them into acting differently. You are trying to control them.

>>28776160
oh no not the helpless unicorns with their stacks of cash, pity them

The truth is there are no unicorns here. As long as it's in the past 99% of the so-called "unicorns" are ok with it, if unhappy. No one is dropping vtubers because they have had sex before. It's active relationships that are a problem, especially if they're mentioned on screen, and even more if the partner actually appears. The people who you are calling "unicorns" don't enjoy watching that content and say so when it's suggested.

>>28776301
kek, back to rambling like a schizo he is.

>>28776345
i'm sure your oshi remembers you for that 100 bucks anon

>>28776301
same post but vtubers

Yous be surprised just how many of them are on this board. They just insult eachother when thr topic is brought up to maintain their cover.

>>28776301
improve yourself, stop being a leech to everyone else and get a job, stop being poor, fund your hobbies

>>28776478
They are shunned everywhere. Ofcourse they are all \here\

>>28776595
hard projection

>>28776301
Vtubers have far more cash than most unicorns. This is a retarded argument that favors the unicorn in 99% of cases.

>>28776633
you're the one salty that unicorns have disposable income

>>28776301
All that money and no virgin bitches. Life works in mysterious ways.

>>28774705
The entire streaming business is like that

>>28776838
So, you don't deny trying to control them, then.

>>28774705
Drop this while it's early king

fuck this time sink, you're better than this.

>>28775068
That's a different anon. I literally said gachikois are in love with their oshi and you seemed to disagree earlier on, so why are backpedaling now? You make contradicting points here.

>>28768015
Ask some of the former Disney kids and Amanda Bynes what happens when you are forced to be only pure.

>>28766561
>>28767925
/vt/'s stance on unicorns or Gachikoi has always been misguided, and kind of retarded. The defense of unicorns as a necessary evil, because they're the biggest financial supporters is true - if the industry is exclusively unicorn oriented. One look at successful streamers like everything from xqc to Lilypichu, and you can see thriving communities that don't rely on unicorns. The truth is, to make a living as an online content creator, unicorns aren't necessary at all. And even vtubers that don't cultivate unicorns, large indies like Vshojo and GirlDM and whatnot, they can get along just fine.

Now, Hololive, being the dominant corpo, has always modeled itself after the idol industry, which has always pandered to unicorns as their business model. This is somewhat archaic marketing that goes back to the 80s but it still finds great success because of how naturally it fits into Japanese business processes, and the fact that despite everything, the niche still exists. And for a lot of Unicorns, they're eating good. But the existence of Non-unicorn companies threatens that fact. Unicorns have always been a tiny fraction of the market that normies comprise, and even if they donate a thousand times more they often can't make up the sheer difference in numbers. Furthermore, lots of normies are willing to donate too - don't underestimate the ironic weeb's willingness to throw his money away at meaningless shit. So the Unicorn's one main driving force, financial incentive, is growing weaker, and they feel threatened. Especially by the existence of things like NijiEN, which kind of bridge the gap between indies and Holo, creating a "pseudo-kayfabe" space that might mean more freedom and eventually convince hololive to adopt similiar strategies - Holostars EN was no doubt influenced by the success of Vox, after all.

Arguing over whether or not Unicorns are in the "right" or "wrong" is pointless, the flow of the industry itself is more important. They have a right to like the things they like, there are some toxic unicorns (a lot, actually) but that doesn't mean the innate desire for GFE is bad, even if it is kind of pathetic, though I think back in college I might have been the same way. And it's probably all SEAfags anyways. When Unicorns mald and seethe it is impotent rage, they see vtubers drift gradually away from their platonic ideal of the perfect idol fantasy and they get angry about it. But that points more to interesting shifts in the sphere itself than anything about the unicorns themselves.

>>28776838
this
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>>28776961
buy an escort instead

>>28777032
>sane interpretation
It’s bizzaro day

>>28777032
Saving this so I don't have to type out similar shit with worse grammar and less words in the future

>>28777120
donating to vtubers and daydreaming a relationship is probably healthier for the mind than renting a whore

>>28777120
Unlike you, I don't want to fuck someone with big chance of having STD.

>>28777336
really working out for the goslings aint it

>>28777032
Interesting take. But, what bothers my mind is you can't separate the idol industry from the Japanese market. That's because the Japanese idol as people know it today is the product of the Japanese civilization itself. I think your take is only applicable in the context of Japan since the idol culture with its unicorns is marginal in the Western market as far as I know. It's even hated since it clashes against the Western view of individualism.

>>28777604
some people just wish they were japanese

>>28777032
The best take, I 100% agree.

and I'm a holojabronnie too

Unicorns are the entire reason vtubing managed to get to where it is today which made anti-unicorn streamers jump to it following the viral wave in the first place

>>28777604
West doesn't have idol culture to begin with. At least some SEA countries have it.

>>28777679
it was clipfags actually, and unicorn faggots hate those
nice revisionism

Come back home unicorntachi. Most of JPs won't have any homos on their screen.

>>28777679
Nice revisionism there faggot. Clipfags made Hololive go viral not your kind lmao

I don't why normalfags hate hobbyist that much.

>>28777731
>>28777816
>they think clipfags would've even started clipping without unicorns keeping the industry afloat
cope

Full unicornism is dumb, the occasional male interaction is innocuous. The issue is that Hololive has a competitive advantage in somehow inventing a K-ON/Lucky Star slice-of-life vibe. Constant male focus a la Nijisanji is a sure way to lose that differentiation and there is a fear Hololive will move in that direction out of a misguided understanding of their appeal.

>>28777816
and how did the vtubers eat before clippers arrived?

>>28777679
That's true, unicorns boost the streamer in the algorithm a lot through interaction with the channel. 100 unicorns are worth way more than 100 clippers. You're basically guaranteed to stay in the algorithm forever even if you take long breaks.

>>28774130
No no they are not
Resellers are

>>28766561
We cant stop winning seethe niggers in this thread !

>>28777714
Indonesia doesn't have an idol culture. Akimoto tried to bring it with JKT48. While JKT48 found success in the early days, they are pretty much irrelevant in the Indonesian music industry ever since. I'm even surprised they're still there today. So, the idol culture doesn't take a root in Indonesia.

>>28777032
>Unicorns have always been a tiny fraction of the market
It depends.
Neekolul (the "ok boomer" girl) lost her followers almost instantly when she revealed her boyfriend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neekolul
>Following her increase in popularity, it became apparent that much of her online fanbase were following her for ulterior motives; a significant amount of engagement on her content were users' attempts to flirt or describe their physical attraction to her. This garnered Neekolul the nickname "Queen of Simps", in reference to the slang term simp, someone who does way too much for a person they like, often in service of unreciprocated sexual feelings. After Sanchez revealed she has a boyfriend, she lost over 65,000 Twitter followers within 48 hours. She has since stated she said this as entertainment for her viewers; Kotaku wrote that "like many of her fans, she's constantly dancing on the impossibly blurry line between irony and sincerity."

>>28777901
The whole reason people go full unicorn is because some males will just never fuck off once they get their claws in.

>>28778296
I hate men

>>28778193
>they're still there today
That means Idol culture is taking a root in Indonesia you dumb nigger.

>>28778356
they're weird muslims though

>>28778356
Lmao. It's irrelevant in the mainstream, just like Nijisanji ID. It's niche at its best. Also, Indonesia is too big for just a handful of wota, something that even the weaboo who mostly lives in urban are forgotten about.

>>28778301
That is the big fear going around. One sees the current situation in NijisanjiEN. That male/female dynamic is absolute poison to the Hololive brand and HoloJP is smart to keep the Holostars separated. Don't fuck with what works.
Hololive is a miracle that exploded and outpaced other agencies through their current strategy by combining idols and anime avatars they solved the big issues of both idol and anime industries.
On the idol side: Anime idols don't age and are perfect creatures. The girls also get to enjoy much more privacy.
On the anime side: Hololive is a slice of life that never ends and you can interact with the characters. Slices of life are renowned for soothing the soul by presenting an idealized world with no messy interactions or drama.
It's an absolutely perfect combination. You'd be a fool to mess with it.
Nijisanji has streamers using anime avatars.
Hololive has actual anime girls.

>>28775780
>>28775830
>>28775958
based and magpilled

>>28778734
but there's western women and australians

>>28766561
nothing wrong with it really
they have potential to turn into the worst kind of antis though
shipniggers are much worse simply by existing

>>28777032
The whole point of vtubers is to dress up a girl as an anime waifu and have them play into it, so it feels weird to complain about GFE or coomerbaiting or whatever you kiddies feel like being morally outraged like twitter troons over.
Although it's true that unicorns can be toxic, they're at least predictable and easy to satisfy. From a community standpoint, it's preferable to the kinds of fans who nitpick everything endlessly and will infect the community with their toxicity constantly with no way of pleasing them.

>>28778349
>I hate men
I'll be completely honest: I really envy you girls so much. You have all the social power nowadays, it's insane, especially on the internet.
I often find myself fantasizing about being a woman and having an army of simps. All this money, love and attention...

An easy way of seeing if your complaints are invalid is if what you demand is still applicable if you just imagine whether it's still possible if everyone thinks the same way as you.
If you don't support the vtubers and only watch free entertainment, vtubers would have no means of sustaining their jobs if everyone thought like you.
The existence of gachikois fund and sustain these types of jobs, regardless of whether it's a man or woman.
What you argue would lead to the downfall of the very hobby you enjoy, if it's necessary, then you have to accept it as part of getting into this hobby.

I don't understand this obsession with turning Hololive into Nijisanji Lite. Clearly Hololive is doing something right, why throw a wrench in it just to be a copycat?

>>28777604
It depends, Japan has a deeply invested idol culture but at the same time even Japanese idol culture itself has been shifting a lot in the past 10 years or so, ask any actual idol fan. Vtuber Unicorns are stuck in like some weird fantasy 2000s idol fantasy where they think every girl should pull a Minami Minegishi, while really like half the shit in Japan does #MeToo nowadays.

Idol culture itself is more about marketing and commercializing an image than it is any particular image. If you can slap female empowerment on a soda bottle and sell it to Zoomers, it's not that different from slapping an image of female purity on a soda bottle and selling it to Otaku and salarymen.

>>28777679
>>28777816
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>>28777928
There's two other arguments that Unicorns like to use, one is the historical argument, the
>We were here first
which is just pretty patently untrue. I mean, If you want to go to Kizuna Ai, that was not designed for Unicorns at all, and if we go to Livers with Niji's early ventures, those were also not aimed at Unicorns. Hololive's early ventures also weren't aimed at Unicorns, its just that unicorns latched onto Hololive and they shifted their marketing to pander to them. I've been watching vtubers since the early days and honestly Unicorns are a relatively new phenomenon, caused by the pandemic and the transplanting of a lot of toxic anime nerds onto the vtuber fanbase.

>Small vtubers need unicorns to stay alive
This one is dangerous because its SOMEWHAT true. Small vtubers need dedicated fans to stay alive and to gain traction. Unicorns are dedicated fans. However, not all dedicated fans are unicorns. Vtubers need dedicated fans, they don't need unicorns. Furthermore, it's not a two way street - Unicorns think that because they provide something to vtubers, in the past, and "collectively" - often without paying a cent themselves, but "we, the unicorns, as a group", the vtubers now "owe" them. What are you, the Incel Mafia?

>>28778734
This reminds me of a comment that Nasu made once, about how vtubers represented a new form of virtual, interactive content that was way more immersive than idols and "you can meet anime girls in real life". But the danger to that is you start putting expectations on real people like they're anime characters, and obviously, they can't live up to them. And you put these menhera girls under immense stress. Kayfabe goes both ways and you have to play careful too.

>>28779327
Like I said, there's nothing inherently wrong with wanting GFE. And if the Vtuber themselves agree to it, then it's fine. But the thing is it has to be a mutual agreement. Whether its Unicorns, or any other type of fan, they become toxic when they start putting requirements and expectations on the vtuber that the vtuber themselves never signed up for. A good example is, say, Mori and talking to Trash Taste. Now, I fucking hate Mori and I fucking hate Trash Taste, but I'm pretty sure at no point did Mori agree to never speak to Trash Taste. That wasn't part of her contract nor implicitly agreed to anywhere. That's just something that Unicorns made up and harassed her about.

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>>28773241
True love isn't about being jealous or controlling, it's not about abandoning the person over every deluded made up "insult" you think they said.
Unicorns do not have love, they have obsession, they want to own the talent, not appreciate them for what and who they ARE, they want a fantasy unbroken at all costs. When it is? They lash out with hatred, anger, insults, and violence. That's not love.

>>28779817
Finally some sense in this thread.

>>28777032
i got in to vtubers to watch characters play a role on stream, now it's just regular streamers hiding their shit personality behind a pretty avatar

>>28777032
Unicorns aren't evil, women allowed to be whores is evil, unicorns are heroes policing degeneracy if anything.

>>28779973
nothing will clearly meet your expectations anyway

>>28779817
>not appreciate them for what and who they ARE, they want a fantasy unbroken at all costs
nothing wrong with that desu

>>28780057
>>28779977
not evil, just broken people who want to shape people their way so they feel validated

Pegasus>Earth Ponies>Shit>>>>>>>Unicorns>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Alicorns

>>28779817
This seems like it was made for someone that needs an excuse for cheating on their SO.

>>28766561
the consensus is the unicorns are faggots, ame was right again and is still the queen of /vt/

>>28766561
They make the troons seethe, so they're ok in my book

>>28780230
Ame seems disingenuous with her comments on tempus so far.
It seems like she's doing it just to make haters seethe.

>>28779817
>hatred, anger, insults, and violence. That's not love.
Have you ever loved someone a lot and then they disappointed you and all your love turned into hatred?
Have you ever been betrayed by someone you trusted?
The opposite of love is apathy, not hatred. Hatred is a passion like love, it can be born from it, nourished by it.
That's a basic human emotion, I'm surprised some people are shocked by this.
In fact: the stronger the love, the stronger the hatred. Twice the height, double the fall.

>>28779519
Men want naturally want virginial and pure women, female empowerment was something that jews pushed on the population.

>>28780376
>The opposite of love is apathy, not hatred
thats retarded and you know it

TL;DR Unicorns and Keemstars form two sides of the same coin and their ultimate goal control over entertainers as a whole, but they will ultimately fail to achieve that, even in cases where they did have an influence because they fail to understand that people ultimately have agency to do what they want and they're trying to control forces that they have control over.

Unicorns are mostly a personification, or a scapegoat if you will, that people use as an excuse to support whatever they want to believe, whether they want to continue to keep supporting the purity aspect or they want to think they're saving the people they think are being oppressed by various factors or something to try to explain "bad numbers" or something to just shit on the girls for (you)s.

In other words they say less about unicorns themselves but more about the people talking about them. It's not like they don't exist, but especially these days the stereotypical unicorn that people fear/praise are just your typical shitter that doesn't even pay/watch streams whose oshi is literally /vt/ or the doxxcords.

What is very, very interesting is that I rarely see brought up is the concept of privacy. What the unicorns, /vt/sisters, and the Keemstars have in common is that they are very, very interested in the private lives of idols/entertainers/content creators/etc. Sure the Keemstars (especially forma de feminist types) may proclaim they are all about the privacy of them, but are they really? We all know the tried and true story of the person that was famous for slamming down some racist on the internet... only for the very same people cheering them on to turn their backs on them when they find out something about them unsavory.

What these three groups ultimately desire is control. They desire control to the point where they will make any excuse to think that they're in control, even when the outcome is completely the opposite of what they claimed would happen. And to a certain extent THEY can have an influence. But luckily in most cases they don't have that much control. In rare cases it can happen sadly, like with Coco. And yes, I'm aware Coco's enemies weren't unicorns, but their goal were one and the same. BUT--and I do very mean a huge but--Coco's impact on vtubing has been massive and there's nothing her enemies can do to change it back. What's worse for them is that it was nothing more than a pyrrhic victory. And stick with me here, that isn't going to be the fate of unicorns, but also the /vt/sisters and the Feminist Keemstars who think they are "saving the women" from "patriarchal standards" who fail to realize that the women that got into this entire industry understood from the start.

In the end, they're only a danger when they decide to do something actually unlawful and they know if they try anything they'd be fuck and their days of LARPing will be over. Not that there won't be schizos trying, but they will most likely get killed before they ever get close to succeeding.

>>28780440
NTA, but If you still hate your ex, you haven't moved on.

Glad I'm JP only chad

>>28779519
>Mori talking to Trash Taste.
Your mentality here is bizarre. Fans back then didn't even lean as heavily toward being unicorns, they just correctly observed that e-celebs were trying hard to leech off Hololive going viral, and thought it would lead to disaster.
>That wasn't part of her contract
Fans are allowed to boo the stage whenever, not sure why you think a contract should control them.

The audience knows the truth: the world is simple. It's miserable, solid all the way through. But if you could fool them, even for a second, then you can make them wonder, and then you... then you got to see something really special.

>>28780197
If someone that actually knows your name, and you are in a relationship with cheated on you, you're entitled to feel betrayed.
A direct romantic relationship is an explicit agreement to exclusivity (but even this isn't always true et: open relationships). Anyone who is TRULY in love with their partner may end the relationship over this, but if you talk to them they don't want to inflict violence on their partner, they still love the person, just can't trust them.

>>28780600
>Gatekeeping love
Hmm

>>28780052
nah, the novelty has just worn off, like most regular streames most vtubers are not that interesting and most vtubers don't use their avatar and whatever character they made up to their full potential and just slip back to their normal personality and after that there's notthing left for me personally

>>28779817
>Couples don't bicker.
You must be 18 years or older to post here.

>>28766561
Unicorns are just sad virgins that would try to develop a one sided relationship with a streamer. How can you care so much for a person that’s obviously fake.

>>28779519
All anime vtubers are aimed at unicorns. Vtubers make their models as attractive as possible to make me fall in love with them and to give them money. As long as you're streaming with an attractive model, you have a social obligation not to cheat on me. You can use an ugly model instead if you don't like it.

>>28780376
>Have you ever loved someone a lot and then they disappointed you and all your love turned into hatred?
No, I've had infatuations that turned to hatred but I realized that I wasn't really in love with them. I was in love with the concept in my mind
>Have you ever been betrayed by someone you trusted?
Yes again, but if it's truly someone I cared for I would go my separate way, hope the best for them and move on with my life. I still think of them sometimes, I hope they find what they are looking for.
>The opposite of love is apathy, not hatred. Hatred is a passion like love, it can be born from it, nourished by it.
>That's a basic human emotion, I'm surprised some people are shocked by this.
>In fact: the stronger the love, the stronger the hatred. Twice the height, double the fall.
Nah I disagree here wholeheartedly, this is a control complex, not love. You're mad you couldn't make them do what you wanted, or you think it's your fault they cheated on you and you turn it outwards, either way seek help. It's not healthy, it's not productive, you only burn your life, your mood, and your own happiness thinking like this.

>>28780600
>they still love the person
maybe if you are a doormat

>>28780714
>Couples don't bicker.
bro a vtuber is not in a couple with you. take your meds

>>28779519
So, is it safe to say that the market dictates the VTuber culture? Your takes make sense when VShojo can partner with several companies despite whatever people think about VShojo. Or, when [insert your hated but famous VTuber] can make a bank, regardless of /vt/ think and say about him/her.

>>28780962
they need to be

>>28780887
>maybe if you are a doormat
weak mindset, you're so worried about other people thinking of you as less than that you'd rather behave like an animal?
loving a person does not mean you are devoted to them and will roll over for their every ask. there's still such a thing as self respect. you can love someone but not give them anything, not your time, not your energy, nothing.

>>28781097
love is meaningless by your definition

>>28780880
>I was in love with the concept in my mind
Yes, I agree this can happen, but then the realization the concept is false can be brutal and turn you bitter.
>I would go my separate way, hope the best for them and move on with my life
Yes but before moving on there is still a time, even a short one, during which you're vulnerable to your emotions.
You just need a few seconds to post a hateful comment.
>this is a control complex, not love
I don't think they're mutually exclusive, after all, helicopter parents are a thing.

If streamers don't want unicorns, they can simply say they have a bf/gf, or chastise anyone that says that they love them, even if they don't have one, they can simply lie that they have a bf/gf.
Most of them don't because they want the revenue that comes from those kinds of people.
They can't have your cake and eat it too, they signed the contract knowing full well of the repercussions.
They don't need people defending them because they're "vulnerable".

>>28781206
>love is meaningless by your definition
funny I was about to say the same thing. love is a feeling, not a calculation based on what they owe you and what they do for you. it's just something you feel inside. you can care for someone but recognize that they can hurt you.

>>28780880
You've got slave mentality. Just accepting your lot in life and avoiding any strife.

>>28781378
still loving someone after they have betrayed you is lunacy and not a healthy response

>>28781367
to a degree yes, but also what people do here? makes it also no.
even on people explicitly courting their fanbase, there is a limitation on what's acceptable.
and then there's dozens who don't encourage and don't want to make a scene all the time and fuck up the vibe.
I come here regularly to see people cross the lines they shouldn't for both cases.

>>28781378
You're a bit of a romantic. Nothing wrong with that, but just know that's not how it works in the real world.
Leave those stories of "true love" and "love trumps all" to the novels.

>>28781457
Going after vengeance on an individual who didn't directly harm you isn't the type of strife I want to waste my life on. You have to accept what happened to you regardless. I just choose to move on and actually be productive rather than get stuck. I have more self respect than that. You call that a slave mentality, but your route literally sees you devoting a large portion of your life to this person. I think you have it backwards.
I live my life for myself, feeling affection and love are just feelings, not chains binding me to someone forever.

>>28781588
I Agree with this too, transparency and being genuine is what's important in this kind of industry, If I wanted to have fake anime waifus, I'd have watched anime instead.

>>28780597
>Fans are allowed to boo the stage whenever, not sure why you think a contract should control them.
There's quite a big difference between booing the stage at a show and like, a bunch of targeted harassment. But I digress.

I think this does show something interesting, which is the difference between social contracts. All relationships have some sort of social contract, but usually when we overstep them it ends with cutting off contact, not continued spite and harassment. This sounds like the actions of a personally jilted lover, not an audience member on the internet. It also speaks to the norms of the fanbase, that this sort of thing is seen as acceptable, or maybe just the norms of /vt/, and then socially inept /vt/ users who think its funny to break containment.

Beyond that, what Mori did after that whole situation might shed some light onto what Holo's actual professional contract is, as well. Because whereas someone like Vox, after a similar situation, was able to come right out and condemn the harassment, Mori had to get on her Roommate's channel to vent. Perhaps there is something to be said about "acting the anime girl", after all.

>>28780996
Yes, absolutely. The truth is that while /vt/ does have outsized influence for how big it is, in the end it is ultimately a bit of a outspoken minority.

That said, you have to keep in mind two markets. The market for the audience, and the talent market. These two are kept in balance. Companies have to fight for both audiences and talents and weigh the interests of each against one another. If companies decide to prioritize the audience to the detriment of the talents, especially a certain outspoken subset of the audience that doesn't matter so much in reality (Unicorns), then talent might decide to leave too. That's where the real danger lies for Hololive, and I don't think they're very adept at managing it. It's probably only a matter of time before Mori leaves, and even if you don't like her the hit to morale will be real and if Mori leaves I highly suspect Gura will as well.

>>28780840
>TouristFag with pure hatred towards other people w/o consideration
>Opinion decline

>>28781644
>"love trumps all"
I never said it trumps all, I in fact said it doesn't. When it doesn't you move on. There's billions of people in the world, you'll find another love. This is the mistake of many people, there's no such thing as "one and only". You can both agree to be exclusive and such, but if you look there will always be someone else out there for you.

>>28781897
he's right though, we can't expect cringe idol culture from the english branches at the very least

>>28780484
Phew, finally someone is smart enough to say whatever the emotions inside my mind lmao. For your take, I see it in several ways:

First, it becomes a "nothing-to-loss" situation for antis to hate VTubers. That's because VTubers don't fall so easily, so they become like punching bags. Yes, you look like a loser when you said Calli will graduate because of the whole cuckbeat mess, only for her to have a kino concert several months later. But, antis won't disappear just because people ridicule them. Then...

>people ultimately have agency to do what they want and they're trying to control forces that they have control over.
If that's the case, you apply the dictator's maxim: "If the man is the problem, then no man means no problem." Either you cyberbully your hated entertainer in Korean style as in Sulli and Goo Hara cases, or you went psycho like Mark David Chapman.

I've ever been in love once and it was the worst time of my life. Before that I didn't know what depression even was. Now I'm inmune to falling in love with anybody or anything but still.... Vtubers that collab with men are Vtubers I won't watch, no strings attached.
I just want to watch anime girls having fun together but when men are part of the mix is not as stimulating. Men bring nothing to the table but pollution.

>>28781999
What happebened to Goo Hara and Sulli, I know from the rumors that sulli was preggers but please shed light.

>>28782069
it's fine to pick your own content, it's weird i have little to no preference on normal streamers but I have yet to find a single male vtuber that I REALLY like watching, some of the holostars are okay, but nothing super engaging.
the difference is when you get people vomiting bile in chat, harassing on twitter, posting bullshit /here/. it's just so tiresome.

>>28777901
Valid

>Yes, absolutely. The truth is that while /vt/ does have outsized influence for how big it is, in the end it is ultimately a bit of a outspoken minority.
I wouldn't fully discount /vt/ too hard. Yes it's full of crazies and bad actors but after that it's probably very close to a statistical sample of the vtuber community considering the niche. You'll see opinions vocalized here outside of other hugboxes instead of just a silent viewership drop.

>>28781887
You're whiteknighting hard. Mori especially has monetized a shitload of stuff, you should just accept that there's going to be a lot more criticism when fans are put in a transactional relationship.
You're also a retarded shitposter who doesn't watch streams, because Mori has no desire to leave and even recently defended unicorns.

>>28766561
>What's the general consensus on unicorns? (not the horse)
literally worst gundam
ZZ is the best one.

>>28782069
>>28778734
>>28779327
The ironic thing about the "vtubers as anime waifu" crowd is they're all newfags. What, were you watching when Shizurin was streaming first in 2018? What the fuck was anime waifu about that? The early livers all made it their schtick to be as normie as humanly possible, ffs. What was so fucking "anime waifu" about Matsuri talking about her weirdo fetishes or about her weird peeing fetishes back before the pandemic? You faggots all probably started watching with Holo Fantasy when all the heavy roleplaying and Pekora shit started and thought that was just the norm for the whole industry lmao.

>>28781644
>>28781950
>>28781378
>>28781097
>>28780887
>>28780600
>>28779817
>>28782069

Honestly, do you fucks actually know anything about a real relationship? You kissless virgins want to know what a long term, committed relationship, what "True love" is like? The closest comparison you'll understand is, it's like being with your mother. There's a lot of nagging and chores and it's not very passionate but it's comfortable and you like being with one another. Except occasionally you get to cash in some good boy points for sex. That's "True Love". Everything else is just your hormones going wild at various stages.

>>28782184
Well, I'll bite it if it's bait. They're famous South Korean singers. Both of them died by suicide, allegedly after they endured cyberbullying by South Korean netizens. Cyberbullying in South Korea is that toxic for them. You can search several articles about the event with Google.

>>28782473
WTF I didnt know sulli is gone, thats fucking sad, Imm go cry.

Fuckkk

Fucking weirdos bro, they ruin talents

>>28782443
>You're whiteknighting hard. Mori especially has monetized a shitload of stuff, you should just accept that there's going to be a lot more criticism when fans are put in a transactional relationship.
This isn't white knighting, but this is a fundamental difference in the way we view vtubing. Unicorns see it as a straight transaction. I give money, I get GFE. I get love for cash. Others, don't. For them, it's more akin to regular streaming. You watch someone like xqc or Destiny expecting a good time - the money is donations, to express your appreciation, NOT a straight transaction - that's the difference.

The truth is probably somewhere in between, but I certainly don't think that it's a "transactional relationship", as clear cut as you put it. At least, many fans don't see it that way. This is just a convenient framework for Unicorns to justify their possessiveness.

>hating on people who made hololive as big as it is
Tourists, everyone.

>>28782878
But everyone hates chinks

>>28781887
Now, you mention Gura. Somehow, I have felt that she's being controlled by her Chumbuds, on grounds, there's a chance she has to endure the considerable backlash from Chumbuds if she makes a move they consider as wrong moves. I agree with >>28780484 take that ultimately the talent has control over their freedom. Unfortunately, not all can truly use their freedom to do something. To create meaning for themselves, if you will. Even some of them don't realize they have said power. There are always internal and external factors for that. Somehow, I feel Gura is being pressured by Chumbuds, an external factor.

The worse thing other than shots fired by antis is incoming friendly fire from Chumbuds.

>>28782468
>What was anime waifu about Matsuri talking about her weirdo fetishes?
... you can't be serious. God, "muh early vtubing" larpers are so retarded.

>>28767925
Yes, but:
1 unicorn ≠ 1 paypig
Not all unicorns are paypigs. Not all paypigs are unicorns. There's an absurd amount of generalization going on within this argument.

>>28783035
No, seriously, back when it was just on /jp/, and lyger translating shit, what was so waifu about that crap? Literally just some girls telling childhood stories with a virtual avatar.

>>28783105
But you can't argue against the fact that being a paypig is more likely on unicorns/gachis, there are many poor unicorns but there is too few paypigs who aren't unicorns.

>>28782696
Ah yes, the noble viewer who donates and wants for nothing. Get your head out of your ass, they're supporting content they like and will offer feedback on it, which content creators actually want. You have some deranged notion of streamers being elites above reproach.

>>28783105
Just check the top of SC/merch, it's lamy, chloe, Vox, kiara. the only outrageous example on the top list is Mori, who I don't get why she still has so many paypigs.

>>28783284
I understand we're literally on 4chan, but look, you have to realize not everyone has autism. The range of conversation doesn't go from "no one gets to say anything bad about me this is a safe space" to "Literally kill yourself you disgusting whore" and death threats. There's a spectrum of, well, decorum, regular, well-adjusted people can stick to. It's really not that hard. Whether it's /vt/ sending dumb shit to Mori, the chinks harassing Coco, and whatever the trannies get up to with the loli indie vtubers, I've seen it all. And no, it's not all "offering feedback". There's a good way and a bad way to go about it, please, touch some fucking grass.

>>28783614
kek, now you're just tilted and making up bullshit. Go back, nigger.

>>28783614
>touch some fucking grass.
invalidates your entire argument.

>>28775068
I am the anon you responded to. Gachikoi meaning "romantic love" was introduced by you, but the other anon never said that. Semantic bullshittery like "down to the kanji" is on the same level of taking "puppy love" literally. Literal meanings of kanji are marginally relevant to how westeners use the term.
With that out of the way: Loving your oshi doesn't mean you want to cohabitate or provreate with them, even if you throw thousands on them. It can very well be loving what they represent (agape) or feeling like you can contribute to their wellbeing by funding their ability to keep streaming for free. Which can also be based on a crush or idolization of who they really are.
A gachikoi's actions are predicated on the desire to help someone continue on their path - "you make me feel better with what you do so I support you". That's never romantic love, but it can be benevolent and based on love.
A unicorn's actions are predicated on powerplay - "you obey and become who I want you to be so I don't hurt you". That's never love, period. It's just an attempt to garner unwarranted self-importance through intimidation and pain.
Unicorns can be gachikois if they misunderstand what love is.

>>28779519
Like >>28780597 said, I think that most people were just worried about Trash Taste being eceleb cancer leeches, more than any Unicorns raging at Mori. And there is an argument to be made that implicitly, Mori did agree to not collab with Trash Taste when she joined Hololive. Trash Taste are a bunch of guys that are basically just reaction vids for ironic weebs. They aren't famous VAs like Sugita or producers like Teddyloid or K's. They aren't mangakas or artists or ZUN or any of the male creators that people are usually okay with and that people who haven't watched Hololive screech about when they bring up Whataboutisms to defend Mori.

>>28783614
Kek, seems you won. These poor little fucks >>28783686 >>28783718 got literally nothing to refute the argument. This whole thread has shown how absolutely socially incomoetent unicorns and their larpers are.

>>28784034
Nah, that guy resorted to hyperbole and is just some morally outraged retard from Twitter.

>>28784034
>incomoetent

>>28783994
>And there is an argument to be made that implicitly, Mori did agree to not collab with Trash Taste when she joined Hololive.
Then, what did Mori "Implicitly" agree to do? She didn't "Implicitly" agree to collab with Sugita either, did she? That's very selective with what she "implicitly" agreed to, or not, which really just comes off as a lot of projection of "I like this therefore its okay for Mori to do this. I don't like TT therefore I don't want Mori to do it." I hate TT, again, but like, HoloJP has appeared on way worse talk shows in Japan before, so I don't see the reason why not, except that this is cringe but in English now.

>>28774581
Use your eyes. Look at the average delusional schizofag unicorn around here and ask yourself if they're really capable of functioning like a normal human being well enough to make as much money as they claim to spend on this hobby. Unless they are spending mommy and daddy's money, the people that make the biggest contributions are probably relatively stable people with decent incomes who just happen to have a niche hobby.

>>28784499
Also prolly their IRL family too.

>>28776343
This post is true, but it's also pedantic so most will ignore it. But yes, the true definition of a unicorn looking for a virgin is not 99% of this board, or even 99% of the people this board calls unicorns. As long as the Holo is not actively in a relationship, most people don't give a shit what she did in the past. Then again, "unicorn" is just another term /vt/ has bastardized because they don't know what it actually means, same with "oshi".

>>28784499
again you got nothing to back it up, being stable has nothing to do with being a unicorn or not, but girls who pander to unicorn have the most paypigs (FACT) it's an easy connection to make.

>>28784499
People here are basically in a dead end job or jobless, it explains why everyone here is here anyway, no sane person can relate to anything here, some have just more nuanced opinions than others.

>>28783969
Unicorn love is true love because it's slightly selfish/controlling. If you don't have those impulses, you're not in love, you're just an admirer.

>>28784663
That's not true, Bitches who are woke and have been expressing woke BS triggers me.

You can count on them bitches not being supported by me.

>>28784486
The Holo JP talkshows are "worse" in that they're a bunch of normalfag talkshows that don't really "get" weeb culture. The Vtubers are treated as a curiosity, an oddity, and thus there's not threat so everyone is okay with that. I would argue that by joining Hololive, Mori collabed with a new type of eceleb leech that Holos had previously never done anything like, WITH THE EXCEPTION of maybe Coco with Koefficient, whom I would argue is nowhere near as bad as Trash Taste. Same with Korone and Miko and the 8 Bit Drummer and even then these aren't really collabs. I know I'm being extremely anal on the details here but I think it's important.

>>28781887
>implies that Nijisanji has a battle handle on harrasement shit
>chooses an example where Nijisanji did a WORSE job at handling it
???????????????????????????????

>>28784882
Okay but we're talking about unicorns here, even by /vt/'s fucked definitions, what you're talking about isn't has no bearing on being a unicorn.

>>28783614
Dangerously based.

>>28784499
It's just lonely salarymen, come on, you can't be this new. They're busy with their jobs and don't keyboard warrior, but anyone with experience in the industry knows they exist.

>>28780873
Meds, retard.

>>28777032
>despite everything, the niche still exists
If anything, it's on an upward trend due to modern relationship dynamics.

>lots of normies are willing to donate too
This is like saying that Rolex should start pandering to the working man because there are more of them. There's a reason niches exist. There's no reason to abandon a niche to pursue another when you can do both and the former remains profitable. (In fact, it can spell disaster if there are more competitors with the other niche/target demographic.)

>Holostars EN was no doubt influenced by the success of Vox, after all.
This is becoming increasingly less likely the more we learn about HomostarsEN. They seem to be appealing to a completely different audience.

>>28785411
I mean, Porsche, BMW, and other luxury carmakers started slapping their branding on SUVs. I saw a fucking Shelby Cobra truck the other day. Niches exist but businesses will always look for more money, regardless of whether or not it will destroy the brand and reputation, which is what a lot of Holofans fear.

>>28779519
This is the typical midwit take. You've convinced yourself of the outcome and then try to rationalize it.

>>28781950
You can't be more than 16 years old at most to be this naive.

someone kill Ame pls
i want to see the shit storm

>>28786177
It's very balanced, you have no idea what youre reading more like.

>>28786177
>Not a single counter argument
You just make yourself look like a retard anon

Nobody will watch the stars collabs anyway lets be honest so who fucking cares? cucked collab beggars are far worse than the likes of unikeks and always have been

>>28782696
Are you dumb? If XQC or Destiny stops providing what their audiences want, they'll stop receiving donations. Same shit with vtubers. (And yes, they will get abuse for it as well.)
Your problem is that you've defined "unicorns" in your mind as this ephemeral villain who is to blame for all the ills of vtubing. You don't allow yourself to accept that the situation is more complex than that.

>>28786599
Holostars doesn't bug me, you know? It doesn't bother me.
I'm not afraid of it or anything like that, you know, for the simple fact that I know it's gonna fail, you know?
And I take comfort in that, I do.
I'm not rooting for it because… I know it doesn't like me.
Yeah, do you know why I think it's not going to survive, why it's not going to be successful anyway?
'Cause they still need Hololive's help to make it happen.
I don't understand it. I don't understand why Homobeggars just can't work with each other and make this shit happen.
They keep coming to us, like, "More Hololive fans need to care about this issue."
"Where are the Holos to stand up and say something…yak-yak-yak."
Why do I have to fuckin' say something?
This is your fuckin' problem.
Why are you always dragging us into this shit?
I saw a Homobeggar a couple months back, professional faggot right?
They go onto /r Hololive on one of these subreddits and then starts bitching, going like, "I don't understand, how come Holostars don't make as much as Hololive?
Right? And all of these Holofans had to sit there and act like they didn't know what the answer was. They had to sit there, like, dumbfounded. Like, "Oh, I don't know."
"Why is that?"
"That is a conundrum. I have no idea."
Literally, I'm sitting at home screaming at the computer, "'Cause you don't sell any fuckin' tickets!"
Nobody is going to Holostars concerts.
You're playing in a 20,000-seat arena, 1,500 people show up. That's not a good night. Shinove lost his fucking ass on that gig.
I'm not saying no professional male streamers... Pewdiepie, the guys who play Minecraft, you know?
But nobody's watching your fuckin' Homos.
And then you're gonna come and you're gonna get mad at fuckin' Holofans.
They keep doing that shit. Why are you yelling at us? It's not our fucking job.
It's not my fuckin' job to give a fuck about Holostars, okay? I have Hololive to pay attention to.
This is... it's your bullshit, right?
Dude, look at the Holostars.
Dude, nobody in Holostars got COVID.
Nobody.
They have been streaming in front of 300 to 400 people a night for a quarter of a century.
Not to mention it's a Hololive-subsidized branch.
We gave ya a fuckin' branch
None of ya showed up.
Where are all the Homobeggars?
That place should be packed with Homobeggars.
Emoji spamming, wearing merch, throwing supas, goin' fuckin' nuts, like the Holofans do in the upper deck with their big beer titties.
"Did she read my supachat? Am I doing it?"
Yeah.
You didn't.
None of you, none of you watched the fuckin streams.
None of you. You all, you failed them, not me.
Not Hololive. Homobeggars failed the Holostars.
Homobeggars, name your top five all-time Holostars of all time.
Come on. Let's hear it. Name five Holostars talents.
Name the Holostar gen in your fuckin' city.
You can't do it!
You don't give a fuck about them.
They stream night in and night out in front of nobody.
It's a fuckin' tragedy, right?
And then meanwhile, you look at Pewdiepie he's making billions.
You look at those Minecraft streams, they're making money hand over fist 'cause that's what Homobeggars are watchin'. The money listens.
You don't wanna watch this shit, you're watching this shit.
They just shoot it over there, drowning these fags in money and Lambos and shoes and cunny.
It's just raining.
It's raining money.
Yeah. So, the money listens.
You'd rather watch that shit, Minecrafters, a bunch of men just playing block game.
"Well, maybe that's why your llama left you."
"Maybe that's why your dog left.
That's why you can't have puppies, bitch!"
"That's why you lost your Elytra bitch!." Right?
That's the message you sent.
"We would rather watch that than see a bunch of men come together as a team and try to achieve a common goal."
"We would rather watch them actually fucking destroy each other."
Yeah.
No, no, no.
And then in the end, you come back and you fuckin' yell at Holofans.
And it's like, let me get this straight, I have to supachat your Homo,get my Holo to collab with your nobody, and I have to watch Homostreams for you??
Like, when are you gonna pick up your end of the couch?

>>28768423
your wife bears not your child

>>28766561
I like donkeys like IN SHREK MY DUDE!!

>>28783378
Mori has cornered the market on wannabes in HoloEN. They're basically like white knights who want to prove that they're proper doormats by being okay with absolutely anything Mori says or does. (It's a bit like religions when you're supposed to humble yourself. Unconditional surrender to the greater cause.) You'd think they'd just defect to Niji at this point, but in their mind that would be a betrayal of Mori, and therefore besmirch their own honor.

>>28786824
meds

>>28770208
That's not an unicorn

>>28785876
Well, those manufacturers still produce sports cars, they didn't just instantly drop them because they got into some SUVs. It's great to diversify, but having a stable platform provides safety. Companies don't just mindlessly chase profits, risk assessment is important.
Anyway, of course businesses can make mistakes, I agree with that. It just seemed like the poster I replied to was claiming that the best move was to ditch their original target audience, which I completely disagree with. That would probably spell the end of Hololive as top performer.

>>28786516
>It's very balanced
Hence midwit. It's "balanced" for its own sake instead of the truth. Giving lip service to the side of the argument you disagree with is pure sophistry. You have to be able to understand both sides, ironman their arguments and then conclude with your own opinion. Instead, the poster is transparently vilifying one side while pretending to be a dispassionate arbiter of capitalism. He probably doesn't even realize he's doing it himself.

>>28786538
Anon, I can't be bothered to get into a argument on /vt/ when I am going to have to explain things across several lengthy posts, which will most likely be ignored anyway. (Because the person in question has already decided what they believe in and will ignore any evidence to the contrary.)
I'm okay with not convincing you, you're probably already a lost cause. It's enough for me to let you know that not everyone thinks you're right.

>>28788115
Well I think you are a retarded niggerfaggot

>>28766561
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to: ame, why do our chuubas think we are trash?
weaboos unironically having respect for themselves and seeing their relationship with their oshi seriously
my consensus on unicorns is what ever slightly makes them writhe in pain is based.

>>28776301
Unicorns are people that pay the most? This is not generally true. You can have attachment for an oshi and not give them a single dime.

>>28776301
almost as if giving them money gives people the right or something in unicorn brain

This entire thread proves why everyone on this board are subhuman, including me, who actually read all this stupid garbage

>>28777604
This is cultural fetishism. You characterize Japanese culture as some sort of ancient constant rather than what it really is: something malleable and constantly changing like every single other culture. Korea has a somewhat similar culture to Japan, except they actually enforce stuff like hierarchy and collectivism to an even more severe degree. They adopted idol culture from Japan and eventually found a lot of success exporting Kpop to the rest of the world. Do you know what happened to the idol culture in Kpop after they found that success? It diminished. What previously relied on small numbers of super devoted fans exploded in profitability by leveraging the pure scale of a bigger, more casual fanbase instead.

There are no downsides to this. The entertainment companies absolve themselves of culpability by no longer modeling their business on taking advantage of lonely mentally ill people. Their business becomes more resilient and diverse because their income is now spread out over a much larger base. Having a larger audience makes groups more attractive to advertisement sponsorships which may actually make them more money than their music. This diversification of income erases the power of overly demanding minorities in the fanbase, which in turn provides more individual freedom to the artists.

More and more Kpop "idols" openly date despite Korean culture being more conservative than Japanese culture. That is because the culture doesn't matter, whether these individuals can date or not is a matter of money and power. It's not a coincidence that the ones that can date are the ones from the richest and biggest groups. Maybe one mentally ill unicorn decides to donate their life savings (maybe 100k) to you, and in exchange they expect your doting attention and for you to be a pure virgin who dates no one. They expect control over your life. But then Samsung comes along and offers you 10-20 million dollars in exchange for using their phone for a year and showing up in a photoshoot/commercial. That's it. You can wash the blood of these mentally ill people off your hands and make more money with less work and expectations instead.

Hololive will move in this direction. The only way for unicorns to preserve their expectations is for them to actively tear down Hololive themselves. You're fighting the normie supermajority and big corporations, and you're probably (definitely) going to lose. If Hololive craters in popularity, it'll be because of their own lack of innovation and it'll have nothing to do with moving away from an inferior business model involving unicorns.

Let's say you're a Gura unicorn and donate an akasupa every single time she streams. Maybe that's 15k in a year. But then a random gacha game sponsor comes along and pays her 150k for a SINGLE stream. Do you still think you matter? Don't cope and be honest. That gacha game company will pay 150k because of the big normie audience, not the handful of mentally ill unicorns. Do you still matter?

>>28790957
>nijisanji lite

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Hello SEAfriends, having fun with your scheduled Discord raid? Did you all download your designated wojacks?

>>28791457
all me

Man sometimes i wonder if people in threads like these have nothing better to do.

>>28791457
Your godlike dedication is a beacon of sexual inactivity.

But good work.