/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>28711044
GET WOKE GO BROKE

Is she going to be a 2view chuuba after gen6 debuts?

Kind of sad. Not even the worst performing Hololive EN member has dipped that low. Maybe HoloID before Kobo showed up is about a close equivalent.

>>28711044
>Gachashit
@ me when she plays something enjoyable to watch again. She got 2.5k watching her play F1 a few days ago but I guess she's content with streaming gatcha to the 500 or so diehard Ryuguards left.

>>28711044
How many more threads are you going to make?

>>28711044
She's doing good, better than ever :)

>>28711106
Sure, but in her specific case, it's the gachashit poison.

>>28711044
i can fix her.

>>28711235
Probably will beg her viewers for money to afford food and medicine like some of her JP senpai.

Oof, at least Rosemi is doing ok

>>28711044
Imagine getting less views than a small corpo.

She's unironically addicted to gacha games, i wouldn't be surprised if she burns all her superchat money on them

I see her fans are finally educating themselves, good.

Now if only teamcucks would finally grow and improve themselves...

>>28711044
Finana has never lifted off, she has been dead. Chinks dont win. They dont have it.

>>28711106
>fortnite = most popular game on the planet = woke
>apex legends = most popular game on the planet = woke

Is anything /pol/ parrot cultists spam as buzzword of the year ever correct?

>>28711519
the difference is that they didn't go full on SJW and specifically didn't go "Traps bad, but no wait actually traps good, I'm sorry", thus pissing off both sides of the spectrum and losing a good chunk of her fanbase for absolutely nothing

>>28711519

>>28711044
lol

>Finana streams gachashit
>Loses all the people not interested in it
>Finana says "trap and futa bad"
>Loses many artists who follow her who hate this reddit level argument
>Finana makes a secret club with fans who groomed her into playing with them
>All the paypigs who watched her leave because she's giving preferential treatment to a part of the fanbase
This is no Wave 6, she's been killing her own channel with her own two hands this whole time

>>28711044
Nijisanjification. She still has my pity view before I go back to educating and improving myself.

>>28712176
I feel kind of sorry for her. Phase has been having multiple 500ccv streams this week.

Feesh's viewership has been steadily declining ever since the debut buff wore off and she hasn't done anything to fix this; her game choices are still garbage, her clips are still only of "slutfeesh" moments, and she's become increasingly parasocial with the ryuugard discord. The "trap" yab was practically nothing in terms of affecting viewership, she was already this low and will continue to be unless he makes a radical change to her content, which is unlikely

>>28712255
>Finana makes a secret club with fans who groomed her into playing with them
Guess she is already prepared if Niji terminate her

>>28712642
LMAO no, they're like 10 people and they donate pennies to her

>>28712693
>groomed by people who donate diddly squat
damn if I was a paypig I'd leave too, jesus

>>28712255
I was confused as to how NijiEN is up to Wave 6 already but remembered that there was already a 3rd wave of garbage girls that they just threw out.

>>28711377
Which JP senpais? Let me save them

>>28712935
Except Enna is a top performer

>>28712693
So who are these people? Why Finana makes 'secret club' with them instead of her loyal paypigs?

>>28712935
I love my chink birdwife Enna Alouette from Nijisanji English's 3rd wave Ethyria!!!

>>28714239
2view Valorant chuubas who are the biggest attention-whoring zoomers I've ever seen

>Says parasocial people are cringe yet is the most parasocial in EN

You can only play so much gacha before people get bored. But even then it's kinda sad to lose to Minecraft Hour 9.

I thought this was just another bait thread with a cherry picked early stream viewer count. Nah 2 hours later shes still in the 500s. I'm not sure why she likes gachashit so much, the gameplay is always trash and theres no real satisfying conclusion. Also considering how gachas hurt her brand in the first place youd think she want to better herself and play actually entertaining shit. No one wants to watch some broad fiddle with rarities and setups for 5 hours.

>>28714239
Was it not that she visited her dedicated discord and thought they were her biggest fans and played games with them, until one of them leaked it and she lost multiple paypigs and a dedicated clipper in the span of a week or so

>>28715509
She's addicted. You're unironically watching an addict destroy her career in slow-motion while being encouraged by a discord server of groomer/enablers (that don't even pay her well compared to all the members she drove off).

>>28715673
where the fuck is her manager? Any person with even a near dead pulse on the vidya streaming space would know gacha streaming is garbage unless youre streaming genshin to a bunch of chinks.

>he posted it again
Southeast Asia needs to be turned into a thermonuclear parking lot

Finana is unironically the only nijiEN girls that is reclining
while Reimu still the lowest most of the time she was a 300~400ccv shitter before the chink rise

>Pomu, Finana, Elira and Wosemi all streaming right now
I don't have ADHD, how the fuck am I supposed to watch all 4 of them?

>>28715947
>pomu is just superchat reading not really worth paying attention to
>fianana is playing awful gachashit again not worth watching

There I cut off 2 choices, 2 should be manageable.

>>28715947
You dont, but its a nice test to see how many dedicated fans they have

>>28716161
this

>>28712945
the dog

>>28716623
This is fucked

Finanas decline is one for the history books though.
>Rise to respectable status through genshin and being a TMI broad talking about your cooming habbits
>Forget who your audience is and the original source of your stupid gachashit and decide you think Trap is a bad word
>Tell people theyre dumbasses for questioning your stance that you didnt even need to broadcast in the first place
>Be on life support as a dirty gachacoomer

I hope theres a nice doc written up for what Finana SHOULDNT have done.

>>28715673
Reading this hurt because as a former Ryuguard it is obvious she needs help but neither her coworkers nor her family give a fuck about her.

>>28711044
Another cull? Don't cry when it affects your precious Holos, fag

>>28712575
Pretty much this.

>>28716623
BASED AF

>>28716995
>Cull
Nice try tourist. Shit, everyone in /NijiEN/ knows Finana has been in a freefall for a good while now.

>>28716995
No, check the other niji girls streaming. They are fine. This is the result of Finana shooting herself in the foot, multiple times, in one year.

>>28716954
Except her numbers had already been declining. The trap thing was nothing and she went back on it so quick it was more like a bump than a pothole.

>>28716964
I guess in the grand organizational scheme I have to assume whoever her manager is also manages some other talents. Finana just might be a lost cause at this point because of her addiction. Yeah you could tell her, here play some other games, you liked yakuza right? well theres 9 more you can play, and people like watching those, a lot. And I could see her just looking at them straight faced and go "nah i wanna play more Socialist Fantasy Mech Riser, Im gonna get that cute 5 star next stream for sure!

I dont know shit about her family but i doubt her parents would be able to properly perceive what the gachashit is not a long term winning model.

>>28712255
Based and true

>>28717277
It sure as hell didn't help.

I mean she still got into the Porter Robinson collab. That will help her.

>>28716954
She lost clippers and paypigs long before the trap thing, there used to be a long list of reasons that explained her decline that almost rivaled the ones made for any of the pink haired creatures

>>28717626
She’s friends with Vienna but I doubt it will gain her any extra followers

>>28717419
From what we know she's likely on the spectrum and her parents are just glad she found a way to make a living

>>28715190
Kaela's brand of autism is excepcional

I'd watch her more but gacha is such a terrible type of game to stream unless you have the same mental illness

>>28712575
Yup, I dropped her ever since she fell into the genshin/hokai hole and spammed that garbage for months on end.

>>28717977
Her parents are stingy asians that never invested a penny in her, has a special needs brother who used to beat her up, she seems to get along with her sister but she's underage so can't do anything about for her at the moment.
Ever since she started making upwards of 10k, they seem to use her as a cash cow too.

>>28718432
I will be stingy ass Asian parents too if I know my daughter is addicted to gacha game,

>>28718432
>Feesh makes money
>Parents steal her earnings
>Gatchas all her savings away first
>is caught
>gets beaten up by both her brother and parents

>>28716493
Ah, i've saw some dude commenting it the other day, so it was true. Can you elaborate a little more?

guys, any ideas of what gachas she could play to satisfy her adiction but not kill her numbers, cause it stopped being funny and finana loooks kinda pathetic now compared to her genmates, i saw onepiece gacha,dbz gacha, genshin and maybe E7 have decent fanbase at least on twitch for her to try out

She doesn't have the male buff and people are getting sick of her whole personality being that she's horny. There have even been threads blowing up on twitter lately about how NijiEN vtubers need to tone it down cause its getting old.

>>28716954
This is precisely why Niji churn out new waves so quickly, to replace these so called talents such as Finana who are nothing more than a tumor on the brand after having lost all of the fans.

>>28718848
Got sick and lost her job because Japan has shit worker laws.

>>28720549
>There have even been threads blowing up on twitter lately about how NijiEN vtubers need to tone it down cause its getting old.
kek so Niji En out did Vshojo

>>28711519
>powerful financial entities and hedgefunds force smaller companies to get into the woke agenda or else they get low ESG scores
gee I don't know, bootlickerchama

I mean she was predebut before so these numbers are still great. I feel like most of her haters are just salty 2 views upset that she has what they wanted.

>>28720549
I dont mind that NijiEN has Down Bad moments in games since that what some games strive to invoke since sex sells. What I do mind though is the level that Finana would take it, I do not need to know about literal masturbatory habbits. I'm not even an idolfag but I think theres a line that shouldn't be crossed. You can joke about shit like what a figure in a jar is for or what an "ussy" is, but I dont wanna hear about how you actually masterbate or get down.

>>28711044
Niji is already sending the next wave, it's too late for her

>>28720925
Meds and go back to pol

>>28721037
if I was some 2view busting my ass to try and play entertaining games I would be salty as fuck that finana gets to coast with numbers I wish I had while playing gacha garbage while talking about double fisting herself.

>>28717667
If anyone has it I'd like to see it.

Does anyone even remember Nekopara or Undertale, or even VA-11? She played those once upon a time...
Screw it, I'd even outright beg for her to collab 1-on-1 again. Selen, Luca, Alban... Metal Slug and Clubhouse kino...

Now we're all just Discordguards, hoping for a Finana that might never reappear again.

Didn't Finana and Rosemi play Guilty Gear? She's got the drive to spend offscreen time learning game mechanics. She should play fighting games and make that her niche. Not a big fanbase, but probably more than gacha (excluding Genshin) can bring. Fighting games have insanely hot characters too so she can even keep the whole being down bad thing going.

>>28721557
>meds
this information is publicly available you fucking clown
https://www.barrons.com/articles/blackrock-ceo-fink-esg-investing-51649868290

>>28722278
from my limited knowledge as an outsider I can come up with a few

>game variety is trash, everyone knows shes a gacha slave, Genshin pulled numbers since its THE gacha right now
>Easily the weakest part of any collab, shes basically in the background unless a sexual phrase comes up that makes her speak out, or if she wants to talk about getting raw dogged
>Made coombaiting her schick while its good for a small boost it never lasts unless you're an actual sex worker
>Can't seem to decide what audience she wants to stream for

Mostly from what I can tell Finana seems to be more a product of her diehard fanbase than her herself.

>>28722363
Finana tard wrangled hard but unfortunately Niji management is too lax to do that for her.
She needs to be banned from playing gacha outside special events and banners
She should also be forced completely cut off this weird creepy relationship she built with some of her members wxhich alienates any new fans who might be interested in her. The moment they started having full-blown conversations in her chat while she encouraged it and reacted to it I know this shit has gone way too fucking far and then the whole valocord shit happened
>>28723140
What's tragic about Finana is that she has so much fucking potential. She's a pretty good singer and artists but she hardly plays on her strengths. She's also great at picking up new games and quickly improving in them and her enjoyment of games is extremely infectious so any person interested in the games she plays will have a blast watching her. She could carve a niche in whatever genre she wanted but she decided to pick the most boring and viewer killing one

>>28711381
rosemi gets good viewer numbers but none of them actually superchat so she's been on a steady income decline since quitting her job

>>28723823
It's that wasted potential that hurts the most. On top of what you and a few others mentions, Finana also clearly has decent zatsudan skills, and (as something more specifically hers) her unabashed honesty is refreshing to me.
Won't deny that getting called a groomer is also hurting my reasons to stay, though. All I wanted is to leverage my skills to make up for >no money to support her.
Suggestions... uh, not necessarily cut them off (she needs *some* diehards to reboot), but definitely ban them from controlling her game tastes, her actions, or the chat. Big-name momentum would make the last one hard, but the first two is almost entirely on her to affirm her independence.

>>28720778
Damn, that's fucked.

>>28711044
This exact same thread was already made and was deleted. Why is this numberfagging thread outside of /#/ still up?
>>/vt/thread/28707724

>>28711044
Gura killer btw

>>28711044
doesn't she get a decent amount of viewers whenever the game is not gachashit?

not saying this screenshot is wrong or that this isn't bad, but.. I'm just sad and wished this wasn't the case for her

>>28726703
She does; 2k CCV on F1 last week. It's really low-quality gacha like this that's doing the majority of the harm.

>>28726703
>doesn't she get a decent amount of viewers whenever the game is not gachashit
She does like >>28726988 said
For some fucking reason she choses to do this to herself constantly

>>28724908
The whole situation with her members is just too fucked atm. She actually needs someone within Nijisanji management to step-up and put their foot down because I don't think she has it in her to do anything or even realize that the situation she she's in is bad

>>28711044
Educate yourself :)

The easiest way to make /vt/ seethe is to tell them not to be irredeemable pieces of shit

>>28727131
I mean would you rather play a game you enjoy or a game that gets you views? If everyone just played what was popular all we'd have is Fortnite/Apex/LoL/Valorant streamers.

>>28727651
yeah, it's kinda baffling how she doesn't realize how bad it is to give preferential treatment to a very small group of viewers

especially, as cynical as it sounds, if they don't pay up big time.. cuz like, if this whole thing was hinging on "she plays with these small group of viewers ocassionally but they each pay like furry commisions", then maybe at least she'd be getting something out of it

>>28728204
>mean would you rather play a game you enjoy
She can do that in her free time. She's an entertainer and it's literally her job to entertain people especially considering that she's a corpo and not some indie fucking around otherwise why did she even apply to Nijisanji if she's not gonna show some effort for being fortunate enough to strike gold by being picked up
If she actually only has fun playing gacha and doing nothing else then she should find a different career course unironically cause it's clearly not gonna pan out in the long run

I will support her roommate onlyfans.

>>28728204
>we'd have is Fortnite/Apex/LoL/Valorant
she had good viewes playing stuff like GTA/Hitman/NFS/F1/Nekopara but she dropped all that for gacha

>>28729316
2 view seething rumao. Stay mad.

>>28728265
She's an incredibly impressionable girl who's easy to manipulate. The whole situation is just sad

>>28729316
Finana could do regular rhythm game streams and that shit would perform better. Unfortunately for her though, Japanese permission autism is blocking that from happening.

Can't save people from themselves if they don't want to be saved.

>>28729939
>2 view
I've been watching Finana since debut but sure dismiss everything because you don't like what i said

>>28721557
He's 100% right, there are big investment groups that have a financial stake in these tech companies and they push leftist politics as a way to shield against class criticism.

You will never protest a bank exploiting the lower classes of people as long as they have a pride flag social media picture or have interracial couple commercials, as much as you say that's not true, it "owns the chuds" to support it, so you will continue to empower big business and further your economic slavery to the 1%.

They figured out very easily during occupy wallstreet that the easiest way to control proletariat uprising is to operate as it's ally.

>>28724908
>Finana also clearly has decent zatsudan skills
i agree and what pisses me off is the times those discord faggots make them about themselves which is just awkward and uncomfortable for anyone who isn't in their clique or whatever

>>28711356
kek

>>28728204
>we'd have is Fortnite/Apex/LoL/Valorant
But that's what we have already. Granted you can replace fortnite with minecraft but most of them always go back constantly to the same F2P popular shit.

>>28727651
Pill me on the member situation. The most I know is they are apparently gacha groomers. Whatever that actually means.

What type of stream has Finana done in the past that would get her views again? Asking for a friend.

>>28723823
So the one that's vocal against parasocial relationships has favorites in her chat and plays vidya with a select few from her community?

>>28732858
I'll always watch people play through the yakuza games. They're all a wild ride I don't think anyone gets tired of.

>>28733025
Because she (thinks she) knows them, so it’s not actually parasocial.

Probably should have thought of the fact that calling people who watch streams parasocial would just incentivize groomers to try and interact with her directly desu

>>28732858
ASMR VOD is the one with the most views in recent months

>>28732858
Her car streams. F1 and Need for Speed Heat got viewers to tune in.

>>28732356
I don't have all the details since I never bothered to be active on discord in general but like I mentioned before you have a bunch of people who are more than comfortable inserting themselves into Finana's streams especially during zatsudan where they would have conversations with each other, "flirt" with each other and Finana and make a bunch of inside jokes and basically treat her chat like their own personal discord and unfortunately Finana plays along with it. this is my main issue with them. it makes anyone who isn't part of the whole group just feel awkward and a little creeped out
also, there seems to be some sort of secret discord where Finana plays valorent with them but to be honest i don't know much about this and never really bothered to look into it so take that with a grain of salt
>>28732858
GTA, Hitman, utawakus, ASMR and recently racing games
>>28733025
she clarified that the types she was talking about were the toxic ones who lost their shit over the Reimu/Vox debacle not all parasocial viewers

>>28733499
Finana get in the damn car!

Finana should play the classic GTA games. 3, Vice City, San Andreas, V are still popular and toted to this day. She could have with that what Pomu has with MGS

>>28733499
Alright the bit about the participating in the chat streams and having inside jokes isn't all that surprising, its kinda a normal thing with streamers. Good streamers either tend to reel back inside jokes before they get too out of hand or overused as to not alienate new viewers, or make jokes that are easy enough to get, something easy like shouting FEET when they show up in a game.

I'd say outside of doing rando shit like mario kart lobbies with viewers during a stream, you shouldnt really be playing games with your viewerbase when you are at the scale she is. Shit can turn into a pecking order real fast. You also gotta distance yourself from your fans to an extent.

>>28733499
So discord nobodies treat chat like its their discord server and she leans into that and runs entire conversations with them on stream? That sounds like such a miserable time for anyone thats not in the group.

>>28734105
Pomu did try to shill MGS to her and elira recently, played to their fujo tendencies too, so it might be possible at some point. I can see elira playing them first though since Finana is stuck in the gacha mines.

>>28715593
Is there an archive keyword so I can have fun doing reps

>>28712575
>and she's become increasingly parasocial with the ryuugard discord
What a parasocial freak

>>28734242
Finana said she wants to play Rising long before Pomu expressed any interest in MGS. I don't really take her seriously whenever he says she's considering playing something. She also said this about DMC and Elden Ring but there's nothing so far

>>28716623
WHIRRRRRRRRR

>>28734144
inside jokes in a chat are not necessarily bad, a streamer's community grows together and eventually inside jokes will become commonplace (like how people would throw blue supas at Coco when she went for pee breaks to "flush")

the problem is when the inside jokes are between her and a very small and select group of viewers, making the rest of the chat feel like a third wheel in a conversation

>>28734598
Rising is basically a 2 stream game. If she aint feelin it yet she won't for a while. This month and August are good months to play old good shit since the actual release content is short outside of xenoweeb 3, but most vtubers aint gonna commit to that shit fully I'd imagine. Xenoweebs also cant handle being told their games UI is hot trash so I doubt many vtubers will want to potentially put themselves in a line of fire.

>>28734598
Because the Discord groomers don't want Finana successful. If she streaming to large audience, they cannot infiltrate. If that happens they cry on Discord and try to sabotage her. Which causes her to go on Twitter and say stupid shit. Her 'friends' are venomous to her streaming.

>>28734598
I mean.. I've said to a friend countless times I want to play FFXV, and own it.. but haven't touched it, so I kind of get her? still bad

>>28734897
>FFXV
>play
Till the day of my death, I will tell people to NOT touch the XV game

>>28711044
This is why you dont recruit the TBAs, Anycolor. I tried to warn you bro!

>>28732114
I don't even want it to be about me; i appreciate a call every now and then but I'm alright with the quiet life.
How do you balance appreciating hardworking fans and not dipping too far into making chat about them, anyway?

>>28732858
GTA, Hitman, Yakuza for long-term series.
Short-term / repeatable, uh... Mario Kart? Having some issues remembering what works for her; check back in a bit.

>>28730081
She could only play Muse Dash and DJMAX. And even if EN can play beatmania, no one can touch it due to it being a sheer autistic rhythm game condensed in 2 minutes. Eli Conifer's buff on that game comes from Yashiro's fans as well, and you can't do that with finana.

Also feesh is an osu player so she's automatically a piece of trash, no wonder why she got groomed.

>>28715509
She’s a gambling addict, except this shit is sadder than gambling.

>>28734887
>Because the Discord groomers don't want Finana successful.
That group has people who straight up want to get her fired from Nijisanji. Someone among them leaked her PL audition video to Niji EN and started a rrat that she's taking donos from that group to her personal Paypal to bypass the Nijisanji cut.
If this were any other chuuba, the uproar would be such that management would be forced to step in and do something. But sadly, Feesh has fallen to such irrelevance that no one cares that she's on a path to self destruction thanks to her spending habits and the Valoguard groomers.

>>28735522
Finana can give shout outs to those who make cool shit for her. That's perfectly normal and healthy for a fanbase
she just needs to point out that there's a rule that says "do not have conversations with other chatters" instead of encouraging it

>>28733182
Yakuza 0 for the nth time is getting old now
>t. yakuzafag

Never watched fish but doesn't gacha streams usually reel big numbers? the "i'm spending $$$ for X character or i've been saving for a months to pull X" usually have bigger viewcount from what i've seen

>>28736034
Surprisingly not enough Yakuza Like a Dragon streams. Newcomer friendly, Ichiban is such a good protag, and the game has enough goofy moments the turn-based debuff can be buffed out. As much as I like playing turn-based jrpgs watching other play them is dull.

>>28735835
Those groomer probably do include some of her roommate friends or friends from her FFXIV days. So, that'd mean there'd be a painful breakup if this were going to be addressed.

>>28736586
no, because its not horse gacha

>>28736586
no one cares about gacha game streams unless it's a rolling stream

>>28736586
Only if it is popular gacha

>>28736586
Her first time playing a gacha usually gets a decent amount (maybe 1.5-2k) but she insists on continuing to play through the story

>>28736586
No one gives a shit about that game. It isn't horsegirls or granblue or Proseka.

>>28736034
She's already done with Yakuza 0 - pretty sure she can do Kiwami 2 if she really wants to speedrun the main story since she's done with Kiwami 1 already.
>>28735522 (me)
update, there's one game I'd really like her to play but it's in Japanese and was never released internationally. ~~also saying what it is might out me~~
Maybe Hades too, actually. Bonus points for 'everyone is hot' so she could be as down bad as she wants.
... wait, she hasn't tried A Dance of Fire and Ice either? What...
~~lowkey looking for mecha-musume that isn't gacha, since that's her thing~~

>>28736860
Recommend her Girls Frontline, she won't ever want to finish another gacha's storyline again, with how depressing that plot is

>>28736714
>>28736860
I've noticed her playing the games feels like watching her do chores.

>>28737207
fuck how does strikethrough work here I haven't been posting in ages

>>28737266
Nah, Honkai gave her resistance

>>28736627
The groomers don't include her roommate friends, they have already wormed their way to meet those pre-existing friends in just a few months. It's that bad.

>>28737404
It doesn't? Are you an infinite chan expat?

>>28738484
I swear it did work like that
>It was revealed to me in a dream
okay that explains everything

>>28738184
this is true, and odds are good they don't even care if feesh falls because they've figured it out anyway. They'll follow right behind her and it'll be fine for them as the world burns around them.

>>28738175
I'm not sure if any amount of resistance that can brace anyone for the depression fest that is Girls' Frontline. Every relief is put just before another gut punch and there's a multiple choice section in one of the most grueling sections of the plot. When that plot finally reaches a cooldown period that whole experience will make anything other than Blue Archive unpalatable. Follow this up with Talulah's Arknight arc and she'll never want to touch another grimdark gacha.

>>28738850
Once you don’t have any personal attachment to the ones with yabs and just view them like dumbass Hollywood celebrities doing stupid shit, it’s a lot easier to watch.
Because if this rrat that the groomers are trying to make her fail on purpose is true, she’s doomed and there’s nothing we can do. So I’m gonna go make some popcorn instead.

>>28711044
PLAY THE RACING GAME, FINAURNAUR

WTF kind of title is that? She went monke

>>28739259
>Because if this rrat that the groomers are trying to make her fail on purpose is true, she’s doomed and there’s nothing we can do.
Most Ryuguards who know this whole ordeal are trying to pretend nothing is wrong. But to anyone paying close attention, the situation is depressing since it's mostly self-inflicted by her.

>>28736612
ive personally havent watched any Like a dragon streams since i dont want spoilers im trying my damnedest to get through the first 6.

>>28735522
>How do you balance appreciating hardworking fans and not dipping too far into making chat about them, anyway?
a quick shoutout does it

do you really need someone to spell this shit out? are you that clueless about it?

>>28734270
https://web.archive.org/web/20220714153830/https://pastebin.com/f94aCCuS
Ignore the links from her old Tumblr onwards, that's stuff we've known since her debut. The same day this was tweeted, everyone on the Valoguard mod team wiped their Twitch archives or made them sub only.

https://twitter.com/ContainmentB239/status/1547736242330079233
This I feel is the most damning one since no third party should have access to her audition video other than Finana herself and Nijisanji staff.

>>28740176
this is depressing

do her genmates (or any other nijiEN to that matter) dislike her so much that they don't bother talking to her about this or are they just turning a blind eye to everything?

>>28740664
I'm not afraid of looking stupid if it means I'm less stupid after getting the answer, so yes, I needed that. Had a feeling that'd be it but I didn't want to assume anything.

>>28741042
Most likely the latter. If Finana graduates the aftermath would be easier to deal with than resolving the situation somehow. If Finana resolves this herself that'd be the best outcome for herself. However, I don't think she has the nerve to break off things these detrimental people. Worst case they could have material that would be used as blackmail against Finana.

>>28741042
I think the trap controversy was the tipping point for a lot of them including Pomu, allegedly her closest friend in Niji EN. When Reimu was being attacked by the schizos, several Nijimembers tweeted their support publicly. When Finana was being dragged for trying to stand up for trans people, not even Uki uttered a word which is probably why she was forced to backpedal after a couple days.

Also, compare the amount of comments from their branch mates on Reimu's cover and Finana's cover (released the same week). It's like they're trying to avoid all interactions with Feesh.
https://twitter.com/ReimuEndou/status/1547040984118304768
https://twitter.com/FinanaRyugu/status/1547438012468011011

>>28741564
I commend you for your honesty

we wish you could try to help dissolve that weird clique if you had any power

>>28741618
They already have - the audition video. Leak that over eight accounts at once and she's done. One nobody and Anycolor might look the other way, but eight of them boosting each other is something else entirely.

>>28741824
Honesty (in the right place) is so much easier to do in the long term, that much i learned. The sort of people who'd get filtered hard by that are people I don't want to associate with anyway.
I technically have some power, but one against eight is easily overturned. I'm not about to risk getting blackmailed to hell and/or accused of being a /vt/ rrat for trying to stand up to them.

>>28714959
...She traded her loyal Ryugards for literally who Valorant streamers? What? Did she accidentally squirt out all her brain fluid from all that masturbating she does?
This is so fucking stupid. SHE is fucking stupid.

First NijiEN graduation? We need something new after Sana is out the door.

>>28742287
she might be a lost cause, but any small nudge could help

but honestly, don't feel pressures, I'm just voicing out my impotence in this whole ordeal

>>28741879
Such is the shackles of those who'd be socially unaware. Supposed 'friends' can easily be far worse than any enemy. Your worst enemy will be the one(s) that got a stab in the back off.

>>28742300
Now in fairness to them, those Valorant streams are also loyal Ryuguards. They're responsible for organizing the Valorant members' streams, too.
It's more like trading the plurality of loyalists for a specific group... which might've been a larger group if not for being bonked for it.

>>28742287
I guess it boils down to how much you care about Feesh to risk your own neck. Also, that group is incredibly foul and underhanded. It's almost remarkable how these shitheads got together and set this up so quickly. It started very innocent with them spamming Finana's Twitter tags with Valorant clips and just a couple months later she's hitting her lowest concurrent views ever and her revenue is on a freefall.

>>28740979
I don't get it, are roommates not allowed to do things outside of their vtubing persona? This looks like a nothingburger

>>28742572
So am I, so am I. Ryuguard from slightly after month 1 here; she inspired me to push higher and higher, but it seems she was caught in a mess partially of her own creation instead.
I will honor her as she was once... I hope.

>>28742672
>They're responsible for organizing the Valorant members' streams, too.
They made Avros set up the bots and all the behind the scenes work only for them to ghost him afterwards. Why do you think someone who donated several akas and proclaimed his love for Finana at every opportunity, suddenly stopped donating and barely shows up in chat?

>>28742680
>It's almost remarkable how these shitheads got together and set this up so quickly.
It's really because Finana doesn't have many fans right now, so her desperation coupled with a lack of fans allowed a small but well organized group to seize power. If she had a larger fanbase this would be very difficult to do, also if she was more careful in her own interactions with the fans.

>>28742888
Every little bit helps when someone gets ensnared in a situation such this. Do what you can and there's the slightest possibility your oshii will have a better outcome than if she has no help.

>>28742680
I love her, but I have to care for myself first. Not about to get persona-non-grata'd from potentially all of nijiEN just to try and fail to take them down.
>>28742950
What the hell? QRD on this?
Also, IIRC he got a GF so that's not too much an indicator.

>>28711044
>bans the word trap in her stream
>one of the commanders you can play as in that game is a trap
hmmm

>>28741742
bro this is genuinely sad...

>>28743165
What can I do? If I try to leverage my position, I'd be little better than a groomer in /nijiEN/'s eyes anyway. Trying for an all-out war is incredibly risky and can risk a fandom split. Plus all this info is PL material and that's a bannable offense in any fanserver I know.

>>28711292
This, the F1 stream was actually fun too.
Gacha streams are her being braindead and having the few people who ACTUALLY play the gacha tell her everything to do. It's absolute garbage content to watch and nobody enjoys it.

I wish she would play more relatively unknown adventure games like Yuppie Psycho. I know she got pretty bad viewership playing them because zoomer audiences can't follow a game that lasts more than 30 minutes, but they were the only unique content she streamed where she wouldn't slutpost the entire stream in order to engage her fans.

>>28743523
Just attempt to nudge her in to doing streams that'll be successful. If Finana sees success that may embolden her in ways that could see her situation improved.

>>28712935
Millie and Enna are great. Can't say the same for Nina and Reimu.

I'm not familiar with Finana or Nijisanji in general, but isn't their English branch meant to be really popular? It's kinda crazy she's pulling that low of viewers, did something happen or is she the runt of the bunch?

>>28743981
faggot read the thread

>>28744075
Tldr

>>28743775
Seems good. Membership Crab Game's on Saturday looks like a good place.

>>28744165
tldr: you're a retard

>>28743981
Summery of the situation: Finana isn't the brightest coomer out of Lazulight. Her social skills haven't landed her in in the best of circles. While NijiEN is enjoying some amount of measured success, Finana is being led astray into irreverence by some members.

wat da feesh doin

>>28740979
>>28741742
On the one hand, I want to drop her for this because it just seems like she only wants to dig herself deeper into this pit and it's taking a toll on me when I'm already in a terrible position in life but then on the other it's exactly people like her who need support the most to keep them out of this kind of stuff.

The only redeeming feature I feel like is left is she's at least somewhat aware of the discussions here.

>>28743981
She was always one of the runts among her peers but while they found eventually found success she's been lagging behind due to her tendency to unintentionally shoot herself in the foot.

>>28743775
addendum to >>28744168 (also me), hurting my motivation is that they're likely playing together right now and laughing at all this. can't set free someone who's afraid and isolated easily, and can't stop people who would blatantly lie and lock down profiles like that from leading her too far down.
i'll fight to the bitter end, but i fear it's all in vain. any recs on someone with her former honesty, sexual positivity, and high learning potential?

She's deserves it, and the wave 6 girls can't come soon enough. People can only tolerate so much gacha and gacha hopping while only seeing kuso horror game collabs filling schedules every week. Finana has been at this for at least half a year now.
>Story related gacha, no one cares about gacha and reading story dumps takes away streamer and chat interaction
>Collabs that naturally don't lend themselves to chat interaction
She'd literally be better off with Minecraft spam, especially now since wave 6 is around the corner and the EN world is constantly being built up.

She's one of the most disappointing Niji ENs because there were times a long time ago when you enjoyed her streams, and you probably won't get that back.

Come on, Feesh! Don't just lay down and get walked on.

i dont really focus on finana that much other than my niji oshis... sad to hear that shes been in this gacha shit hole for some time.

the only gacha rn would be genshin, even if i wont watch, i know a fuckton will watch.
gacha is just bad i never saw the enjoyment in it, i hope finana doesnt hit rockbottom... the weird and disgusting jokes got old but i still wish her luck

>>28746112
Yeah, better stick out your ass, and get fucked

>>28745286
Allow me to be of a different opinion here, and suggest you say fuck it and walk away. You sound a tad parasocial yourself, as big of a meme as that word is, and I say you're better off doing something else with your time. If her corpo superiors, coworkers and "friends" aren't willing and/or capable of helping her, what makes you think you have a chance? This isn't some epic story with a damsel in distress and you're not a hero. Don't be as dumb and delusional as she is and walk away.
Although, as they say... Like oshi like gachikoi.

>>28746258
Gacha is normalised gambling. Why isn't it banned?

>>28711044
Finana is collapsing

I can fix her.

I wonder if doing something like pic related is better than nothing

>>28746710
This one really hurt Mori hard and she deserves it for disrespecting this sub-culture.

>>28746398
Not gonna deny it, these are indeed gachikoi words. But I'm just another one who's seeing things and doesn't want it to end like this.
Still weighing the worth of staying to help and slow the fall enough for her to wake up vs fleeing before Ryuguard becomes a byword for worse. I know there are a lot of others that deserve better but never got the chance that Finana did.

>>28746710
someone basically going with the full scorched earth approach and seeing what comes out of the ashes might be the only way to go

>>28741042
You can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped

>>28711044
Lower than anya number 6 months ago...

>>28720009
Xenoblade 2

>>28746632

>>28746710
this kind of approach doesn't work at all

instead of thinking "oh no, maybe I've fucked up if someone is spending this much to send me this message", they will obviously go "wow, you're a dick, I won't pay attention to whatever thing you had to say, but thanks for the money"

>>28746258
Somehow she went from being a pretty good gatcha shiller to my fucking god take her credit card away somebody stop her. None of this is fun to watch even if you like that specific gatcha and enjoy feesh.

>>28746910
Welp, again, if you're the kind to listen to strangers on the internet, my personal suggestion is to fuck off. If your mechanic stopped fixing your car, you would stop going there. The entertainment business is still a business, and you aren't getting the service you're looking for. As you say, there are a lot of lovely and genuine girls out there, but you won't find any of them sulking in Ryuguard discords and trying to cope with the pain.

Finana said that she usually showers her "friends" with expensive gifts and even gives them money for gacha rolls thinking it makes her some sort of "good" friend
Someone who thinks friendships are bought with money like that is very obviously vulnerable to exploitative people and vouchers

>>28747690
Hah, fair! I don't actually do it often (I think staying out of /vt/ for the most part is better overall), but this discussion gets banned in all the usual haunts so I figured it was a shot in the dark to get some meaningful ideas in the few places that still allow it.

>>28746710
>>28746931
>>28747259
maybe it's too extreme but someone schizo enough to to spam it everywhere and make her and management address it publicly where it either kills off her career or force her to clean house

>>28716964
I mean, who's she closest to, Pomu and Elira? What are they supposed to do? Pomu already ate a ton of undeserved hate months back when she tried to cover for her during the off-collab thing so I doubt she's feeling up to stirring up drama by telling Fish she's a mess. And the thought of Elira of all people doing an intervention on someone is just silly.

>>28748123
She's also close to Selen

>>28747913
Well. In my humble opinion, you get a better idea of someone if you see both good and shit talk about them. Between rituals, anti posts and shilling you can more or less build an image of what kind of thing you're getting into. And then, you check it for yourself. If you're curious about someone, just ask in her/her corpo's thread about her or about some recommended streams and people will be more than happy to show you why their oshi is their oshi, and share their most treasured moments with you.

>>28721557
nigger-chama this pride shit is the same crap as american pride was the last century, it's pure collective consciousness control and all that jazz, it's not even a conspiracy when Mr Friedman and co. openly spoke about their massive successes in social engineering.

>>28747739
I used to be like that in high school
Those people haven't talked to me in a decade

>>28748373
Assuming it ain't bait, falseflagging, or bad faith, of course. I can tell what's what with enough research but it gets tiring to filter them out after a while.
Good suggestions though, anon. Godspeed; I think I'm just about done for this thread unless some new discussion sprouts.

>>28748445
Be happy you grew up and learned
I hope you have better people in your life now

>>28720009
Unironically honkai.
She spent the first 8 months of her vtuber career building up a honkai-specific fanbase to drop the fucking game.
"Gacha" streamer is a misnomer; you don't play multiple gacha you pick one and become known for streaming it. To the gacha community, Finana was a "honkai streamer" now she's fucking nothing. It also would lead her into playing star rail when it comes out. Hell Mihoyo would easily have given her a beta star rail account to show off pre-launch like the alice fiction paid streams Elira/Shu did today.

I didn't even watch her honkai streams but that's the only gacha she should be playing outside whatever mihoyo pushes out, brand loyalty like that as a streamer is a HUGE pay off.

>>28748984
I don't but honestly I'm unironically happier being on my own doing whatever than forcing myself to try and have friends and do shit with/for them

>>28721742
It’s because she has the corpo buff. If she left Nijisanji only her biggest fans would follow.

>>28749143
oh fuck yeah, unironically she's more a mihoyo streamer than a gacha streamer. never seen her so invested in the gacha story like Honkai did, and no new-game shine doesn't count

did she even come back to her armada, is it time for another mutiny

>>28749194
Good for you honestly
I'm also getting tired of trying to "fit in" with people who don't seem to care that much

>>28747259
To be fair this did set off a chain reaction that led to Mori responding to that cuckbeat comic publicly. A move that caused even her fans on reddit to tell her that she needed to stop and move on. Of course unsubbing and not watching a streamer anymore is the normal thing to do.

>>28743178
He has a gf yet he proclaims his love for a vtuber? What the fuck.

>>28749886
I think his gf is also into vtubers

>>28749972
I need to find this magical land where women also watch vtubers. Where I live, most of them would out you as a freak or pedo

Feesh is an actual degenerate, did you really expect her to be all stable and proper.

>>28750131
>magical land where women also watch vtubers
it's called the NijiEN fandom. just go into fan spaces and you'll find plenty even /here/

>>28750289
Hard fucking pass

>>28750428
suite yourself

>>28723823
Pretty much this, she had so much fucking potential, she has enough autism/skill to do the whole talk to herself + pay attention to chat + actually play in a good pace. A great vocal range (she holds her "Finana" voice for more than 8 hours). She is a good singer, but almost never do karaokes. Her 7 minutes being roasted clip still makes me laugh, but since she plays gachas only, nothing much except the lewd clips will come, if they get clipped. She is great at smaller interactions. She doesn't do any game that could boost herself, some roguelike or fight game could be strong choices, as pretty much everyone said, they are niche games but with a loyal fanbase (BoI streamers are still going, 10 years of gameplay). At least looks like the other nijis/friends are trying to help her... She gets raided and is still being invited to collabs. I wonder if it is too late at this point, I genuinely enjoyed her streams.

>>28711044
>Double dip the gacha stream
She got payed for it, but i hope she learned once every 2 weeks is enough, back to back for 2 days is just asking to poison the well

>>28750131
We literally got a woman who was accepted into wave 6 that has super chatted our Niji boys.

>>28751852
What i would give for Crunchy Roll Hime and VGumiho to just direct transfer to NijiEN

get woke go broke

>>28712642
> Niji
> Ever having strict management

>>28750131
I got my female weeb friend into watching chuubas by telling her about the nippleman scandal lol
she watches clips every now and then

>>28712255
what's wrong about it? some people, like finana. don't like the spotlight and popularity and prefer a small, cozy fanbase.
(God the new captcha fucks me up so badly...)

>>28718432
>she seems to get along with her sister
the one whose recorder she schlicked off with?

>>28756443
She'll end up like ex-ID (formerly Nijisanji ID) with that. Not profitable enough for the upper management of ANYCOLOR and the investors.

>>28734752
It also helps when the streamer acknowledges the inside joke.
Coco again being the best example, when she comes back from a piss break she would say "you assholes are flushing again huh!" or some variant of that, plus the occasional "don't put yellow/red in the middle!".
Barely takes 5-10 seconds but now any newfags who were confused by the blue spam are instantly like "oh THAT's what that was about!" and can now join in on the fun.

I came to this thread expecting to find shitposts and got treated to concernfagging instead.
I hope this Fish can dig her way out of this hole she made for herself.
and if she can't, I hope her more sane fans are able to move on

>>28757670
Feesh will be fine nijisanji doesnt fire people for bad numbers they just get ignored. And lets face it its not like shes going to quit for a better job or whatever. Shes going to keep streaming with sub 1k views forever. i know your thinking 1k-500 views is crap but niji id and kr would kill for that.

>>28721557
Do you really think this woke shit is because suddenly corporations really care about that tiny loud toxic minority that screams on twitter? Or they do it because it gives them free money and social points?

>>28758819
Tons of indies would kill for it. I mostly watch retro streamers now and the biggest one I often catch gets 800~1k viewers. Most others are 40~100 viewers, and they've been at it for years.

>>28758819
>nijisanji doesnt fire people for bad numbers
nijiIN, ID and Kr have some words to share about that

>>28759957
They merged the branches to the greater Nijisanji branch. In fact the ones that can speak Japanese have been doing better ever since dropping the ID and KR tags like Suha and Seffyna.

>>28760096
first off, IN is dead
secondly, really anon?

>>28748123
>ate a ton of undeserved hate
>he tried to cover for her during the off-collab

>>28718432
jesus...
if that isn't prime savior fag material then I don't know what is.

>>28751553
With more waves coming in a rapid-fire fashion, the weaker performers will just get buried by the newer toys.

>>28760219
anon almost none of the ones in the picture speak jp often

>>28718432
honestly if my child was a gacha addict, i wouldnt give them money either and im not even asian.
you dont give gambling addicts money to use to gamble

>>28760219
Literally can't read, it's expected from a holonigger.
>Those are ID
Seeing them there means they certainly aren't fired.
>They don't speak Japanese
You can see ones that so speak it incline.

>>28760096
still don't get the point of keeping them in
the result is they've got a bunch of people who would have never passed an audition for jp, whose status is like those unfunny 'look it speaks japanese lmao' gaijins on japanese tv

>>28711044
EDUCATE HERSELF

>>28761196
>first off, IN is dead
>Those are ID
Oh wow a nijinigger can't read yet accuses others of being unable to read. I'd say it was a surprise but it's what we've come to expect from nijiniggers

>>28761196
>Seeing them there means they certainly aren't fired.
correct but niji management has put them in gay baby jail, they get no support despite them still bringing in money and being part of the main branch now.
>>28761279
both of you failed the sentence comprehension check.

>>28746632
no you can't

>>28711519
>apex legends = most popular game on the planet = woke
Stfu retard

>>28715509
Gambling/gacha/loot boxes are actually awful, it’s not just moralfags and law makers rightfully concerned about it.
Some people are super weak to it and will actually ruin their life or at least valuable years of their life because the addiction is so strong and self destructive. Gaccha hooks into the exact same mechanism like traditional gambling.

>>28718595
>>28761137
Finana got addicted to gachas after getting into Nijisanji. What I meant about stingy Asian parents was that she had grades to go to college but they wouldn't send her. Perhaps the whole grooming situation could've been avoided if she was a bit better educated like Pomu or Elira.

>>28773282
No, she blew tons of money on Maplestory well before Nijisanji.

>>28759957
They don't fire people for bad numbers, stop pretending you know anything about Nijisanji, catalog fag.
>NijiIN
Branch was disbanded not because of "bad numbers" but literally no market. (large difference.)
>KR and ID
Merged into main branch, the only people who left didn't renew their contracts.
>>28756443
>and prefer a small, cozy fanbase.
Anon, no lol. Blowing up your fanbase and income purposefully isn't "preferring a small and cozy fanbase." Hana is the perfect example of preferring a small fanbase because she NEVER sought to go beyond the reach she had. Finana WAS going beyond the reach she had, and she self-destructed it by being retarded. The difference between the two is Hana never sabotaged herself by being "woke" and catering to groomers. So I'm sorry, Ryuguard, your oshi is just retarded and she's suffering for it.

>>28773425
MMOs is most of the what she played in her PL but I'm sure whatever she spent back then pales in comparison to the whaling we see today on stream. For the debut watchalong with LazuLight she admitted to not even having gacha on the list of games she plays back during debut.

>>28773646
Yui was always addicted to gacha, she talked about them constantly in her PL and posted about them. Most chubbas who enter a corp tend to try to change up shit so they're not immediately doxxed/recognized. You don't "become" addicted to gacha games when its your first time playing because the gameplay will turn you off the second you're told to pay money to continue having fun for a game that was supposed to be free. At least, if you're a normal person you wouldn't pay for "passes" or "top-ups" let alone dump 200-300$+ on a game when no game in existence post Neo-Geo home cost that much.

>Este, Finana, es el fin...

man fuck this NPC bitch, Glad I'm not a nijinigger anymore

>>28773628
>Branch was disbanded not because of "bad numbers" but literally no market. (large difference.)
So, not bad numbers, but no numbers
>Merged into main branch, the only people who left didn't renew their contracts.
And they were merged into the main branch because... oh right, bad numbers

Join the valoguard discord and try your luck in grooming her

>>28741042
Ever talking to drug addicts? there's no one can help them other than themselves

>>28741742
This is actually fucked up damn. Even the genderfluid(?) guy(?) doesn't care.

>>28774409
>And they were merged into the main branch because... oh right, bad numbers
This logic states the under performers of EN should force that branch to be merged into the main one. KR was merged because they mostly spoke JP anyway and a lot of KR market is from JP viewers. VR only isn't merged into the main branch because it's a joint venture. Merging into a branch isn't to "boost numbers", it's due to AC going public they can't have literally 3 different markets under the same parent company without having proper business in those countries. So sorry, /#/ bro.

>>28774810
Don't think I didn't notice how you conveniently skated around ID branch who definitely did not mostly speak JP anyways and were merged anyways, and also none of this means that they weren't merged becasue they were underperforming

>>28774599
I don't get this analogy, how is this the same as being woke?

>>28732858
Car games and Yakuza are the easiest pull ins, Hitman could work too.

A lot of RPGs are out of the picture since she admitted she doesn't likes the turn based ones.

>>28732858
make fun of trannies,

I'll even red super chat her for that.

She won't do it so that doesn't work for me, I'll never go back to that bitch ever again.

>>28725813
calm down Valorant Ryuuguard

>>28774983
They will believe in their shitty idea/life, anyone trying to convince them is their enemy, until they realized it was the shit and escape from it, also her problem is not only being woke but catering to a clique of a small group while let that small group gatekeeping every potential fans

>>28743775
I'm in
Frequent Ryuguard here, I wasn't aware of the situation (aside from the private discord), which ngl sounds stupidly worrying and seeing feesh hit sub 500 views on a non fanmade thing was a bit sad especially since the discord was fucking dead too. I'll try to help

Fish needs correction asap

>>28711519
Nigga, the most popular FPS in the world is crossfire.

>>28711519
get mad nigga, your bitch isn't gonna recover from this.

I wonder how low she can get before she realises she's fucking up her own channel

>>28773628
>because she NEVER sought to go beyond the reach she had. Finana WAS going beyond the reach she had
based on what?

Finana never went beyond her reach, her "normal" streams are decent enough, it's the gacha bait shit that turns off most people

>>28740979
I have to admit it is pretty damning that she is steam friends with them all. Guess I'll drop her...

>>28711044
JAV AVtuber debut when?

>>28712176
that's just embarassing
>>28712255
>Finana says "trap and futa bad"
Superstraight FinaChad

>>28712255
>Finana says "trap and futa bad"
Did she actually? I thought she was flying the pride flag high and proudly?

>>28782125
>>28782907
She said the words are bad because they hurt trans people

>Admonishes her fans for "parasocial relationship"
>Does it herself
A classic case of "it is different when I do it"

>>28783163
Traps and Futa ain't Trans so she should educate herself, she was supposed to be top tier degenerate, but in reality she is just a normalfag whore that sometimes fap to hentais, because she is too lazy to call her sex friends

>>28783352
She said it wasn't her idea. One of her tranny "friends" convinced her that it's a hurtful slur

>>28783666
oh no, she is really malleable, isn't she?

I think Finana just needs to educate herself

>>28712343
Don't. It's her own fault. I wish she was the kind of a streamer you think she is. I love watching yab magnets and being a dramanigger on veetee and she isn't even an average streamer for me. The le funny seggs joke are uncommon so she isn't even good for underages. Imagine a boring femcel playing gachas hit for every stream again and again. I even membered her when I was in Argentina and guess what? Her membership content is the same shit. Even more gacha. She also has the most expensive tier 4 membership I've ever seen. Be sad for few ryuuguards that are still stuck watching her.

>>28781754
When she becomes a 2view we're getting a masturbation stream.

>>28742742
If that were the case she would not be in the mess she is at the moment, she used her Finana persona to get with those fans, and make a private server. >>28743178
Avros helped the Valoguards set up the bots in the discord for the members valorant stream, he asked if he could become a mod to to help manage thing but the mods declined. After that all of those same members kept ghosting him, the dude they once called a father figure. When you look at what happened they used Finana’s biggest fan, and once they got something they wanted they discarded him despite all the effort he had given fandom and even them to an extent.
>>28749886
This was a bit after the falling off from Finana, His detachment from the whole fandom was happening for a while

>>28786977
Wow so one of Finana’s biggest supporters and gachikois, actually went off and got a life. I didn’t expect that of him.

>>28787116
Yep, Finana is basically done unless she attracts someone as dedicated as Avros was.

>>28787198
She’s in trouble. Her first big supporter, Chika, ended up going into financial debt because of donating too much. Now Avros is gone.

>>28711044
Wow, maybe she should educate herself on how to get more viewers.

>>28787198
He really did drop her. Removed the oshi mark, hasn’t retweet or commented anything about her, and is retweeting everything but Finana currently. How did she fuck that up?

>>28711044
>ser med
what language is that?

>>28745286
Gonna risk myself a here for a bit and share those
https://litter.catbox.moe/bfve4p.jpeg
https://litter.catbox.moe/1mov6y.jpeg
Many of the Ryuguards have private accounts, Leek and Colin are two of the valoguard mods, so while this was happening and people discovering their secret group with Finana, they were telling people to take meds
This one was 2 days before the members stream, which leek later deleted. https://litter.catbox.moe/fitt2c.png
Them feeling superior to the other Ryuguards is highly possible, they are forefront in the now almost canceled VN game.

>>28787116
>>28787198
>>28787325
Doesn’t she have two left? I’ve seeing Colin still donate red to her, and I still see Chris around

She looks good enough irl to open a onlyfans and be decently famous. She should drop the vtuber gig

>>28787697
>almost canceled VN game
how come?

>>28787697
>Ourenorion
Isn’t that her boyfriend?

The valoguard server is dead as fucl, they definitely made another secret server where she hangs out with those retards

>>28773282
What use are these parents anyway? Human trash.
Yes, Asian parents are stingy (I know this from personal experience), but usually the flip side of that is that a lot of Asians don’t have student loan debt because the money they don’t spend on big houses and fancy cars goes to their kids’ tuition.
This is at least the case for all the Asians I’ve known. The deal is that you pay for your kids’ college, and in return you stand a chance of dying at your kid’s place instead of in a nursing home.

>>28787863
Chris doesn’t donate as much, and Colin is part of the groomer squad.
>>28787871
She does, but she used filters to look like a white bitch on twitter.

>>28788014
Yes

>>28788014
most likely yeah she is even more fake than rushia:
>They have been playing offline in secret trying to keep the info from spreading. Recently they all Private their steam account or private their friend list to hide any hint they are friends. Unlucky for them the internet never forgets, and as many of her fans expected, it’s true.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220714153830/https://pastebin.com/f94aCCuS

>>28788080
Finana straight up said she hates her dad so her tossing him in a nursing home to die alone is very plausible unless her younger sister has a better relationship with him

>>28788188
>>28788268
The evidence is kinda shaky

>>28787941
As stated in this thread Leek is the first character you meet in the VN, other characters are those same valoguards and many things in the game reference her inner friends now. Why would the dev team continue making the game when the people doing less work are leaking all this to Finana? And believe me they are sharing those stuff to her, whenever they showed her a project Finana always slips saying she saw it somewhere else

>>28788059
After someone leaked her audition video they probably had too

>>28787941
Some Ryuguards were making a VN fangame. There are three routes where 2 of them are voiced by people in the groomer squad. After this whole debacle, some people in those projects dipped.
>>28788014
Yes. That's where things went from "you're imagining they're playing behind the scenes, take your meds" to the rrat actually gaining momentum.
>>28788059
That is correct.

>>28788473
https://twitter.com/zhngls/status/1547026879408140288
The group made another server way before the leaks

>>28788582
I think Avros was a big part of the project too

>>28788643
This persons twitter might as well say “I am Asian”

>>28787941
>>28788014
Had to edit an image
https://litter.catbox.moe/bfve4p.jpeg
https://files.catbox.moe/avb7i7.jpeg
Those are the valoguards noticing the situation and Colin making fun of it while being part of the problem

How to ungroom this fish from those fuckers

>>28788676
In the VN? Idk, I haven't seen him partake in projects post her birthday
The only active part I've seen is the art team which is like 4 guys

>>28732114
And people thought Gator, Chris or Biff were cancerous for being attention whores
Finana gone on a shit spiral with ppl I don't even know their names

>>28790238
No clue who gator is, but Chris and Biff were the classic.

>>28790238
I will happily take fucking Biff over these cunts. That's how bad this shit has got

>>28789728
Some people are better left to their fates. She dug her own grave with this situation and there is no point in trying to help her.

>>28773628
>They don't fire people for bad numbers
Nigger the OFFICIAL fucking reason for both NijiIN AND Yumenographia terminations was that it was not sustainable to support them further.
Fucking newfags.

>>28790502
Finana isn't an entire branch. She is more than fine with Luxiem doing incredibly well to carry any low views

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>>28790443
Chat reflects the "I CAN FIX HER" part of her lmao

>>28790736
I'm not the person you're replying to I just wanted to point out that Finana is fine in that department since her standing is what started that whole conversation

should we make another thread where the situation can be discussed more?
it's obviously pretty bad and maybe it's a good idea for there to be a place where it can be talked about and observed further so any Ryuguards who are worried about have a place to vent their worries

>>28790333
gator is Selen's attwhore
>>28790402
a lone "popular" viewer will always be less impactful than a dedicated group of "nobodies"
That is happening to Finana is a common case with some indies that get stuck with a small fanbase of unwelcoming cunts

>>28791028
Maybe I could try grinding my way in, but implies playing Valo which is ugh

I have (almost) never watched Finana and only read the thread because I am a dramafag, but this whole thread reads Exactly like drama for actual 2view indies. How is this happening to Finana with her still, comparatively, massive viewership?

>>28791648
Finana is incredibly retarded. This isn't meant as an insult. The girl is so clueless when it comes to critical thinking, social interactions and reading the room that she needs her hand held. Mental illness also seems to run in her family

>>28712176
Pippa has been an impressive tear since early July

>>28791028
Making a thread here is a good way for Finana to see. She has admitted to going to the numbers thread so checking the catalog is highly likely for her

>>28791648
Women are retarded.

>>28790238
Chris was never an attention whore, to this day he never makes his sc about himself and when he does is for something he made like the Daki or what other things she might like

>>28790502
The doomposting is getting a little silly. Unless Finana drops A LOT more she is in no way at all in threat of getting fired lol. Her views are bad for NijiEN, but they arent even the worst in NijiEN, Reimus are lower. And her median last month were like 1500. That is above all (ex)NijiID, that is above every (ex)NijiKR except Nari Yang. That is above Every single smaller corpo chuuba in the EN sphere. That is even above many NijiJPs. And while she isnt at the top in SC/merch/members, she still makes thousands each month in SC/Streamlabs, she still has over a thousand members, she still sells merch, she still get sponsorship streams.

You are delusional if you think anykara would fire her for underperformance

>>28791860
I already have it ready to go when this thread dies but I'm not the most knowledgeable of the situation especially when it comes to discord so i hope others are willing to keep the thread going with the proper info

>>28792024
Even for a woman, Finana is a special case

>>28788473
She herself leaked it, meaning she shared it with her groomers/people she's getting close with, there's no way to get that unless the liver share it themselves, e.g Noraneko.

>>28792135
Is less abut her getting fired, and more about trying to push her to a more affordable patch than the hole she is digging right now

>>28791028
just make a /feesh/ general or something, it's not like there's one being used right now

>>28792186
call it the saving finana general, just for kicks

>>28792516
I was thinking a concernfag thread is more the way to go than a saviorfag one since i want it to be more about exposing what's happening instead of it being about going on some crusade
>>28792471
I was thinking the main point of it is talking about her unfortunate situation instead of a general one

>>28792516
"I CAN FIX HER" General

>>28741742
I bet Pomu took the "trap" thing had. She's a hardcore otaku so having her (previously on good terms) gen mate declare that using a major component of weaboo terminology means you hate trans people must've been a big insult to her.