/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

WHAT ARE THE GOOD GAMES TO STREAM

Getting over it always gets views, so does minecraft. What else?

>>2794329
This was linked a couple threads ago: https://twitchtracker.com/games
It lists things in a bunch of different factors; "games to stream" might be one to consider if you want "good stream games"

>>2794329
limbo, but figure out he hidden path. so far, no vtuber has done it yet. i guarantee you it will blow up if you're the first vtuber to do it

>Live2D artist I had lined up falls off the face of the Earth first week of this month
>No one is able to get a hold of them
>They were supposed to start on my model this week
Now I have to find a new artist and delay the rigger. FML.

>>2794329
chess

So on the topic of Skeb, I want to request a character design but I'm not sure the site's request system allows to go into details about what I want or I'm looking for in that design. Most of the time the requests I see delivered on there give some sort of character design reference for the artist, so I want to know how I request character design instead of just illustrations of said design?

>>2794398
A game series that has a lot of viewers right now is not a game series that necessarily attracts new viewers.

>>2794905
Since it sounds like you don't have a character yet, do your best to put together a composite image of what you're looking for. I would not trust a mood board. copy and paste images together, take stock photos and overlay them on top of each other, etc. to frankenstein a design that'll work.

>>2795100
alternatively, just commission an EN artist who does character design for cheap and toss it the way of a JP artist on skeb to get it done in their style afterwards. there's a ton of skebs where the reference is basically some scribble or even a Final Fantasy XIV character creator screenshot and pictures of clothes.

>>2794329
>WHAT ARE THE GOOD GAMES TO STREAM
russian roulette

>>2795100
>>2795248
Alright, hope that works. I was actually thinking if a game character creator screenshot would work but if that's used on Skeb too then all the better.

>>2794591
send ur deets my dude and ill send over examples of my work if u need!

>>2795388
https://skeb.jp/@_pikurusu00/works/61
look the reference this person provided in their skeb request and then look at the final product. as long as you've got something for your JP artist to see and visualize, they'll get it done. they're literally just character screenshots.

>>2795704
Shoot it to this temp email: nadiv92641@yehudabx.com

Can I get an evaluation of what sort of voice I have if I link a cover I sang?

>>2796385
do you want a critique of your voice or your singing?

>>2796395
Of the voice, like many others I'm not good at singing but it's easier to record a cover than just normal speaking

>>2796501
if you're gonna sing, we're gonna be hearing a different voice from what you normally talk like, so i don't know how useful that feedback is going to be unless you're singing your normal speech on stream.

>>2796524
Oof okay, maybe not then

>>2795794
sent!

>>2794283
When is Tabao going to become a VTuber?

>>2796746
another super comfy artist vtuber to add to my list.... mmmm yes please

>>2795704
Got your email. While your style is cute, I'm looking for something more stylized/serious. I appreciate you taking the time all the same!

>>2796945

>see chatter about an artist
>cute style
i wonder if....

>>2797261
no im unknown lmao

>>2796945
also that's totally valid! gl finding ur perfect fit my dude ^u^!

>>2797295
>no im unknown lmao
all good, was just curious since that artist posted once or twice in the past but got no bites themselves because people were a little spooked out about 4chan and all.

>>2797322
>spooked out about 4chan and all.
two things we have in common - w - i lurk around here and /d/ a lot so i don't want to really make myself known lmao

but yea! ummm im trying to think of other artists I can recommend with coms open but its hard to tell what ur lookin for op. u looking for a male or female model? what sort of aesthetic?

Should I bother with a patreon if I already use youtubers join feature? I feel like memberships would be easier to shill during livestreams and truthfully I don't even know what kind of content id put on patreon that I wouldn't just make for youtube members

>>2798940
Memberships = unique youtube content
Patreon = increased access to YOU, as the content creator
they are completely different things, anon

>>2798986
Huh, I never really thought of it like that

I'll look into patreon then I suppose, though I don't know how "open" I want to be with my audience given attempts to protect my identity.

>>2799064
doesn't have to access to self-dox
it can be simple shit like
- hey, here are some stream ideas i was thinking about (X Y Z) ideas that i scrapped because (A B C) reasons, why don't you guys pitch in some feedback?
- hey, so here's a really cool insight into how i prepare for my streams and my thought process when i come up with these ideas
- hey, there's something i want to do when i hit X milestone, and it's (A B C), i wanna make it an enjoyable thing for everyone and here are my thoughts, you guys have ideas?

it has nothing to do with you, personally, as the actor behind the vtuber model. but more to do with your CONTENT and how that content is made.

if you do shit like, pre-recorded skits, maybe show them some silly things that were cut out of the final render. behind the scenes, and blooper reels, you know? treat it as more of a way to give access to your supporters about the process that leads up to your creation.

kept separately from your usual stream (regular content), and membership (special content), look at it as more of HOW both types of content are created. because THAT is the kind of shit people will pay good money for.

>>2799213
I see I see. Thanks anon. That's actually definetly something im going to check out

>>2794329
Go to sullygnome, see which games had a big viewer ratio change in the last month.

no luck with holo audition it seems
im gonna try my luck with cyberlive, wish me luck anons
>inb4 rejected cuz guy

>>2795248
>alternatively, just commission an EN artist who does character design for cheap and toss it the way of a JP artist on skeb to get it done in their style afterwards.
best advice

>>2800011
Same boat as you with Hololive, but female with a decent content creation "resume". Anyone else still holding on for at least one view on their audition?

>>2804016
It depends what they will opt for - will they read all applications or will they decide to stop at an arbitrary date. If you don't have a view they physically didnt open your application considering its the first thing they see and look at.

>>2804076
Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines. It would make sense for them to just drop or ignore other applications if they have a sizeable group to interview already. They left the application window open for so long though. Unless they somehow didn't realize just how many people would apply, on top of encouraging late applicants, I would hope that they'd look through most of them that didn't already get filtered out by things like gender or being underage. But maybe there really was just too many eligible people, and well, that's good too.

>>2804076
I mean that depends if they skim the application first, check for interest and then watch the video.
That’s how most job applications for creative things do it anyway, only clicking through if there’s a good reason.

>>2804503
The logic would be then to place the video link on the bottom of the form then. Why structure the form otherwise?

my model is very petite/loli like and my voice is more on the mature side. should I age up my model or am I gonna be fine?

>>2804537
I dunno, but that’s how a lot of creative stuff works my dude. They won’t care if you’ve got the best audition they’ve ever seen if your actual resume is a shit show.

I’m willing to bet they keep the email and the URL at the top for easy reference for the interview stage. It goes email, url, real name. So, all the stuff you’d need to contact a person for interview.

>>2804782
haha, loli chuubas always have mature voice and high voice girls always want to be mommies. I think you will be fine.

>>2804855
There was no resume for Hololive or "portfolio" required to be sent, so not sure what you mean. The video was the core of that submission.

Do you think that it's possible to stream using a laptop? I don't really have the knowledge to build a good PC, so I was thinking of buying a laptop and using that to stream

>>2804954
A gaymer laptop is fine, since building your own PC is a bad idea in the current market. But you may be better off buying a prebuilt desktop.

>>2804943
I mean that they’ll read all the nice words on your submission before clicking any links.

>>2796075
>>2794591
Sent! Please check your inbox.

>>2805037
I've heard that prebuilts can sometimes be pretty bad. Do you have any advice that can help me avoid getting a bad prebuilt?

>>2805366
Ordering the parts yourself unless you are buying a full set of shit used. But everything is going to be ungodly expensive these days either way.

>>2805412
>Do you have advice for buying prebuilt computers?
>Order the parts separately
??????????

>>2805412
If it does end up being too expensive I might just have to get a laptop instead and save myself the headache.

>>2805603
The main issue is the gpu shortage has effected prebuilts this late too. You won't be finding any good deals on them, but laptops might still have good deals. I actually don't foresee things getting cheaper until probably 2024 or 2025.

>>2805603
Also building a PC is actually pretty plug-n-play these days despite your probable fears about doing it/you can just RMA parts if they stop working or you fuckup. But I guess just see if you can find a good deal on a good gpu somewhere, and make that the decider on whether you use a laptop or not.

are there even laptops powerful enough to vtube?

>>2805793
>>2805882
Thanks for the advice. It really helped me.

>model keeps flailing around in VSeeFace
How do I stop this

>>2806124
Have you tired turning it off and on?

>>2806004
Laptops are fine, there isn't much stopping you from swapping the parts in them too these days. They just aren't as user-friendly to deal with outside of using them as is which makes them a unappealing option (Outside of laptop size parts having lower but ok performance)

>>2806166
thanks that fixed it

>>2806004
Also one final note about the state of modern laptops, they can have heating issues under load. But that can be solved for free.

>>2794283
At what point should I no longer post in this thread? I've been going at this for three months now and I still feel like my streams are scuffed, my humor is shit and people are just humoring me because they want to build up my ego before abandoning me.

>>2806627
seek a therapist

>>2806627
/vt/ is honestly a bad place to look for constructive discussion in the first place.

>>2806771
Based.

You need therapy chuubachama. No amount of simping will fix your broken brain

>>2806627
Instead of relying upon the residents of /vt/. Watch your own stream, and pin-point why you feel it is scuffed. Examine your own humor and pin-point why you think it is shit. A feeling without a reason is just a personal issue.
Human socialization is a skill that needs improvement too, but entirely new content out of nowhere will only ever come from people with troubled backgrounds or mental illness. You being here means you have what it takes.

>>2794283
Are there any fitness based choobas? I see a lot of the big ones playing RFA but therevare a lot of VR games that are workouts that I think you could make a good audience from.

>>2806841
>>2806841
https://twitter.com/JeffMcBiceps

Jeff's pretty based.

>>2806627
Also, along with my above post, there will never be a point where you will ever be personally satisfied with your own streams. Since it is your own project, you will always see things that need improved even if the people outside are fine with it.

>>2806841
https://twitter.com/BuffyKatVtuber
I follow this one but I've got zero idea if the content is good. It's also a baki. If you consider a /d/-tier hyper muscle cat girl feminine I guess

>>2806929
I mean babi

>>2806891
That's fair.
I honestly think some of the previous post have it partly right, I may have a severe case of imposter-syndrome and abandonment issues.

That being said, I'm genuinely having fun streaming and I've got an active chat, I just feel that I'm constantly underperforming and that I'm not doing my character justice. I constantly practice, even on my off-days...

>>2806854
>>2806929
Thanks! I like Jeff's dude-bro encouragement style and Kat has a cute face. But I'm talking more of the lines like playing games that have an active focus on fitness, health, well-being, or self-improvement. More along the lines of a trainer trying to help your workout rather than play Smash with you.

>>2807002
Abandonment occurs to everything and everyone, it is inevitable which is why you shouldn't care about it at all.
But the other feeling (You) noted is also a regular occurrence in people and why you see artists/developers sometimes never stop working/redoing something to the point of self-destruction.

>>2807046
yeah, that's what I posted lol. Kat does work out streams every now and again. Though I don't watch them often, so I couldn't say if they do more games or exercies

>>2807046
Are you looking for a PT?
Because that's what it sounds like lmao

>>2807213
I have nothing going for me in my life except the possibility of having a mildly entertaining life as a VTuber.

I'm going all in.

>>2807580
This is yab.

>>2807234
Oh cool! I'll check her out then, her design seems interesting enough, haha.
>>2807282
Just looking for some self-improvement Vtubers that can help me along my own journey.

>>2809244
Poke Jeff about it desu. I think he'd be thrilled to work that angle.

He's a genuinely awesome guy.

To those that are already streaming, how often do you use/browse /wvt/? And in case you don't, why not?

>>2810890
I lurk there all the time because I love it when anons shit on me.

>>2810890
that thread has a much higher percentage of the mentally ill than this one

>>2810890
I spent my first month after debut mainly shilling on twitter before jumping into wvt but I frequent asp and the front desk regularly and drop in to the back alley every now and then

I haven't made a schedule yet, don't have a model (png stream), I randomly start unplanned streams and hold 10-20 viewers (19 av) for hours.
I'm really bad at playing games, like really really bad. I constantly fail/die. I never shut up though, I'm talking the entire stream without a pause and I think that makes my already bad gameplay even worse. it's difficult to concentrate while talking but I don't want it quiet.
I'm afraid people are gonna get frustrated with my terrible gameplay and tune off, should I pick easy games or will I be fine even if I constantly die?

>>2812500
The fact that you're constantly talking while also shitting yourself might be why they're sticking around, anon
If you're making it enjoyable for the audience you can make any kind of stream fine.
How did you pick those numbers up though in the first place? That's pretty impressive.

>>2812500
yeah, don't worry about terrible gameplay. There's a reason Game Grumps is (was?) popular, and it's not because of Arin's amazing gamer skills. Seeing a person constantly fail at a game can be very entertaining. As long as it feels like you're learning and trying your best (not getting angry at the game, being extremely stubborn and just generally acting like an unbearable asshole cough cough Arin Hanson) you'll be good.

>>2812500
I don't think constant talking makes a stream bad, it's engaging to the audience. Whether you're bad or good at games is mostly irrelevant, it's if you're appealing enough to draw people towards you and keep them.

>>2812629
>>2812714
>>2812776
thank you, I haven't considered that. the most I do is post on twitter that I'm about to go live and people join to watch me. I've been active on twitter for a few weeks before I started streaming so that's probably why I get viewers.

>>2813301
I get some viewers, but hitting 20 from just posting that you're live is really great! How long have you been pngtubing?

If I don't make it for hololive, I'm going to kill myself. This is the only thing I have going on in my life and failing would absolutely crush me

>>2814031
just go the indie route and get big on your own

i've made my vtuber art/rig myself and use vtube studio, my mouth animations are fine model-side but seem to have a lot of issues detecting my mouth movements. do any of you guys have recommended params or should i bite the bullet and get a better webcam?

>>2814031
hololive tends to go for people who already have experience posting content (check en's pasts and you'll see what I mean) so if you want to get a start vtubing anon I can help direct you to any resources you need if you haven't already :D

>>2814421
I heard a lot about iPhones and iPads with FaceID having good tracking.

>>2805513
they might be talking about the monitor/keyboard/mouse/pc tower. like the big parts

>>2814031
Anon you aren't getting into Hololive. Go indie.

for anons who want to edit their clips to fit tiktok, use Kapwing

>>2814687
ive been thinking about doing that, since i also have a super old iPhone so it'll be killing two birds with one stone essentially

What are some good ways to train my vocals to get a cute voice without a voice changer? I have a lot of phlem and tend to cough a lot and don't think it would be appealing to hear.

>>2815368
>super old iPhone
make sure it has Face ID, since that's what feeds vtuber studio the data it needs for face tracking.

>>2815369
depends on a bunch of shit
- what's your voice now
- what's your target voice
- what do you define as "cute"
- are you staying moderately hydrate enough to avoid phlegm?
- what's the source of your throat irritation that causes coughing?

>>2815369
post vocaroo

vtubing/ streaming is much more exhausting than it seems. my first stream I managed 1 hour, my second one I managed 3 hours. is anyone else getting fatigued really fast? or just me?

>>2815419
maybe I need to suck more dick for strengthen the mouth muscles

>>2815578
unless you're deepthroating it down to your vocal chords, that's not gonna do anything. but you do you, anon.

>>2815547
I've been doing 2 hour streams 4 times a week for almost three months and honestly I feel like I want to be able to do more, personally

The only metric important to hololive is your channel growth. That's the sad truth of it.

>>2816081
>channel growth
>multiple HoloJPs never streamed before
>multiple HoloENs didn't even have a channel
?

>>2815995
impressive. what are your numbers like?

>>2816408
av 50 viewers per stream

>>2816408
they were really low in the first month, barely broke 2 avg viewers. I started shilling more in communities and by the end of March I was at around 5 and throughout this whole month I'm really happy that I've not had a day below 5 avg viewers.
It might not be a lot, but I'm happy to have chats that talk with me and seeing that my numbers are growing.

>>2816095
All holoENs had followers in one way or another. Gen 4 and 5 all had channels as well.

>>2816650
Cover is hiring talents that can entertain, not make their own start up businesses.

>>2815419
>>2815419
-I describe it as weak, wavering, and pretty tinny.
-Something more even with a slightly higher pitch and clearer tone.
-I think something along the lines of Kurapika in the Hunter x Hunter dubs
-Not as much as I'd like unfortunately
-Mostly back of the uvula
>>2815430
https://voca.ro/12rLRxhpAnMo

/asp/ who has your favorite debut streams? I have some plans for my own, but I don''t want to debuff myself by accident.

>>2817163
yeah, i don't see the transition happening anytime soon. you need to cover a LOT of basics first before you're gonna get anywhere close.

learn to control and project your own voice first before trying to change it to something else, especially if the gap is that large.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4SW_xMueXU

and up your mic's gain, you're way too quiet

>>2817307
Alright then, thanks. What's a general regimen to follow for bettering voice control?

>>2817419
just follow the video linked

>>2817307
Also, what other sort of voice do you think would be easy to transition in after gaining voice control? Something along a similar range or what?

>>2817462
that depends on your vocal chords and how well you can control those

>>2817477
How long do you think I should follow the vocal training? A year or so?

>>2817612
the video i linked is bare bones minimum of "shit you should be aware of when speaking"

if you're looking for actual voice training, that shit's going to be costly and require at least 3 months of effort. and that's mostly just to get a handle on your own "default" voice.

you can also sign up for your local Toastmasters which is more about public speaking, but will cover roughly the same shit when it comes to voice control

>>2817663
I'm not too keen on joining a Toastmasters, but I might look into getting a vocal coach to get in the right direction. Thanks for the help Anon, I'll look for some other online resources as well.

>>2815369
Pro tip: you will sound more original and attractive without trying to sound cute

>>2818054
I guess. I like the character voicing aspect of chuubas too, that's one of the main reasons I want to sound 'cute' or just something different than my average. I'll mull it over.

https://twitter.com/himono_vtuber/status/1385301579360735237

updates are being made to desktop (webcam) version of VtubeStudio, still not as good as iphone tracking though.

>>2812500
What sort of games do you play? I have a fully rigged model and stream for 4-8 hours and only get 1 viewer if I'm lucky and I literally can't sut the fuck up

>>2815547
I'm super introverted so when I'm in stream mode I'm basically flipping my social switch and end up exhausted after my streams even if I have fun doing them. This is after about an hour usually.

>>2817663
I don't want to join. My local toastmasters only made speeches about muh evil white males and I'm sick of that shit so much, and this is coming from a minority

>>2817307

C... can I get feedback on my voice?

https://voca.ro/1c6Of4HYtlWn

>>2820226
literally cannot hear anything, you are way too quiet

>>2820285
https://voca.ro/11lJHuzVEex6
My bad my mic was set to really low for some reason

>>2820363
you're speaking a little too fast for my ears to be able to catch each distinct word. i'd slow down. otherwise it sounds fine.

>>2820403
Thank you, I really appreciate the feedback! I'm trying to find a voice that's fine streaming in for longer periods of time and my current one is too much of a strain on my throat.

>>2820363
definitely a tranny voice but considering people are still in denial about artemis you'll be more than fine. need to talk slower though

>>2820553
like 9 times out of 10, any voice is going to work, and once you get started, people will just associate your voice and your character. it can range from high energy traditional idol type stuff like Kiara, or low energy normal voice like Ina, or whatever in between.

the key is to find what you can do that won't strain your vocal chords across a 2 hour stream.

also keep in mind that many streamers will eventually return to their normal voices. Subaru did a comparison video watching her debut stream and commented on how she's not using such a squawky voice. same with Ollie from HoloID, she's toned down her energy a lot and you can tell a difference between her debut and normal stream voice now.

there isn't a "streaming" voice. there's just whatever that works for you.

also learn to ignore trash like >2820583

>>2820631
Thank you!
My issue is that the current voice I'm using is really putting a lot of strain on my throat (not so much my vocal cords) and I've been streaming longer sessions for a while, and it becomes almost unbearable close to the end.

https://voca.ro/1bMa1J4UgBCJ

This is closer to how I speak on stream.

>>2820583
And I don't mind this kind of feedback. I want to reach a point where people won't say that in my voicework, so I see it more like a tough customer.

>>2820631
Doing God's work

>>2820631
I think a large part of it comes from not screaming or shouting when you stream.

I've noticed a lot of new streamers who constantly shout at the top of their lungs while playing and it takes a long time before they can have normal conversations.

What's the consensus on staying on Twitch vs YT?

>>2821494
starting*

>>2821494
multistream. it barely takes any more processing power since you're already encoding an upload, avoid twitch affiliate (TOS prevents you from multistreaming once you affiliate) and aim for partner (on both platforms).

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I LOST MY IPOD TODAY. I DIDNT LOCK IT AND I ONLY PUT MY VTUBER PRACTICE COVER SONGS IN THERE TO LISTEN TO FOR IMPROVEMENT. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT IF SOMEONE FINDS ITTTTTTTTTT

>>2821494
Twitch is honestly better for smaller streamer because you can't even unlock membership and community tabs until you've got like 1000 subs and 4000 hours of viewed content.

Meanwhile integrates so much stuff that there's a huge room for personalizing your stream.

Plus, afaik none of Streamlabs notification stuff works for YouTube

>>2821543
How do you interact with chat then? I know you can combine both chatrooms to see for yourself but won't that potentially confuse viewers if you're replying to stuff they don't see?

>>2822204
Don't listen to >>2821543
Use YouTube to upload your archives too. If you find yourself accruing a big following on YouTube it's not super hard to transition, or even do Membership stuff there.

>>2822204
there's a bunch of apps and services that already do that, https://restream.io/chat being one.

>>2822270
>If you find yourself accruing a big following on YouTube
... which you do by multistreaming.....

>>2821494
Twitch if you are in an absurd rush to make your first dollar as soon as possible, youtube for long-term discoverability

>>2823864
This ^^

Youtube is better long term, but you have a hard start period usually if you aren't lucky. Twitch requires less luck, and more networking. Twitch is not a good long term platform compared to Youtube.

I’m streaming mostly on picarto as an art only vtuber rn, I don’t suppose anyone knows of a decent way to get the chat integrated nicely?
The way to do it in the picarto faq is broken it seems or out of date

>>2826893
i don't think Picarto is popular enough for many people have made plugs and stuff for it.

what are my chances of getting into the hololive english singers division?

https://youtu.be/HgKcP-33wB4

>>2828137
VSingers auditions wrapped up a way long time ago, anon.

>>2825008
What if you start putting other content on your channel first before your debut?

so.. is it just me, or are like every artistic person deathly ill or something? my artist had to delay even a sketch twice now because they've been "sick" they're vouched on the Live2D discord, so i'm not worried about a scam, but like... how sick can you be? and why does it seem like such a common thing?

>>2829862
...Anon
You do realize what's happening in the world right now, right

Can anyone tell me about the appeal pngtubers? With standard chuunas you atleast get to see their facial reactions. You might as well just be watching a LP.

>>2831715
why the fuck are artists going out around coughing in each other's faces?

>>2832442
rantsona lite

>>2832690
you never heard of post anime expo orgies?

>>2832442
Pngtubers have actually existed forever if you count the numerous amount of large yt schizo content creators that used them to help represent a point of view.

>>2829862
Not that person but, I've been getting flu back-to-back since february. Artists don't go out much and even less since the pandemic... might be sunlight deficiency.

Late night bump.

Here's a fun fact, the streamer on Twitch can tell who clipped a segment of your VOD, even if you ultimately decided not to finalize and publish the clip. They will still receive a notification that your specific username, began (but did not publish) the creation process for a clip of a VOD. The streamer will also know exactly which segment of the stream the clip was attempted.

>>2838875
wtf, that is 1984 tier

>be me
>be a socially anxious wreck your entire life
>socialize with internet strangers who tell me my voice is cute and i'm funny
>believe them like the retard I am
>spend a good amount to become a vtuber
>mfw im unfunny, have no personality, am socially retarded, and have a mid voice
still gonna try though

>>2819925
I'm pulling in between 20 and 30 average viewers for my streams but I'm worried I'm picking debuff games to stream.

Is there any merit to following gaming trends on SullyGnome?

>>2794283
I'm pulling in between 20 and 30 average viewers for my streams but I'm worried I'm picking debuff games to stream.

Is there any merit to following gaming trends on SullyGnome?

reposted because green'd a completely unrelated question

>>2841407
link? I want to support indietubers

>>2841407
Who told you you were unfunny

>>2841407
link? I want to bully you

>>2841562
Kinda? There are a lot of reasons people are more or less into the gaming trends displayed on that site. A debuff game just is slow/simple looking by default with little mechanical skill involved.

>>2841721
i haven't interacted with anyone IRL in 6+ years besides family, many years before that I was only showing up to school and didn't socialize either. I actually don't even know what makes someone funny, but I've realized that people just laugh at me being retarded and weird and maybe think it's some kind of act but no I really am just a retard

>>2841852
Oh I thought debuff was literally "games that are older/people don't care that much about"

Huh, that makes more sense.

Semi-related, how important is it for a streamer to finish a game? I notice an average viewer per stream dropoff when I play a game over a longer time-span in terms of "sessions".

>>2841407
Stop calling me out.
I have people telling me unprompted that they love my voice but then I get on here and one schizoid tells me I sound terrible and I latch onto that like a drunkard to a bottle of scotch.

>>2841890
We know, Kiara.

>>2841875
No, think about how entertaining 4x games/jrpgs are to people watching versus something like guilty gear/dark souls. But even those can turn into debuff games If you suck despite the appeal.

Also I'm unsure how important it is for a streamer to finish a game, you'll let down some people by dropping something you got far into.
If you are looking to actually hit peak viewer increase, just play new games on release and do it well as fast as you possibly can.

>>2794329
Insurgency2014
Counter Strike Zombie Escape
Rollercoaster Tycoon (openRCT)

Zombie escape can still be entertaining for the viewer even if you're terrible at videogames
Rollercoaster Tycoon can have viewer engagement and input in your parks

>>2841956
You can also play Clone Hero on easy if you're complete trash and just sing along to the lyrics. That can be entertaining and it seems vtuber fans are a bit enthusiastic about singing based on what I'm seeing on yt

>>2841875
Also, since you are looking for game advice. It might be worth grinding a genre like fightan/fps or getting a moba account up high in your freetime, so you can steal viewers from top streamers at some point/make YT content.
FPS/Fightan only require you to grind once before you are decent to good at all of them.

>>2841890
Kiara, you orange menhera chicken, calm the fuck down qnd chill the fuck out. And go back to >>>/cgl/ for your own mental health.

>>2842081
I recently bought a new Overwatch account and I haven't touched it and I was *decent* at it back then. Is there any value in streaming with a new OW account and getting good with it?

>>2842115
The way things used to work is you would get a giant chunk of viewers every-time you ended up in a game with a relevant streamer since they wanted to watch two perspectives. The streamers on OW don't have a lot of numbers/the game isn't in a good state now. So it has a good chance of being a debuff game unless you are with them regularly and fast.

>>2841899
>>2842104

>Be me
>Have complex about voice
>Get told that I'm like Kiara
>I'm actually okay with this.

>>2842161
>The streamers on OW don't have a lot of numbers/the game isn't in a good state now.

That makes a lot of sense.

Would it be debuff to play Path of Exile, even though I've only played Diablo 1-3 before? I've got a decent idea of what it's about, but would it debuff me if I don't know how to do good builds?

If you have a decent enough gimmick going on your Twitter and make decent clips for Youtube videos, can a chuuba get away with playing whatever games they want? Like if I want to play more niche Japanese or indie games in general

>>2842197
Maybe? Path of Exile isn't necessarily a debuff game, it has a autistic amount of character building. I can't actually tell you how that one would go. Even If you don't plan on streaming it, its worth picking up. So you might as well give it a try and see how aggressively you can play it (Avoiding being slow/too safe) while also not dying, so adhd riddled viewers are focused. Its also great If you have friends to play with.

>>2842197
If you're fine with autismos backseat driving you like crazy and raging when you pick the wrong skill then go for it.

>>2842174
post vocaroo

>>2842336

>>2820363
>>2820760
These are my vocaroos from before. The second voice is a bit of a strain on my throat.

are there any designs that are a huge debuff?
I picked a loli design and have a model in the works but I haven't really thought about details and just went with a design I like. not sure if loli vtubers are popular

>>2842373
Disregarding obvious troll post.

Welcome to being pariah in the Indie community because the current Twitter zeitgeist is to hate-train any loli design into the ground.

>>2842373
Yeah... You'll have issues with people, but at the same time I feel loli vtubers grow pretty fast without much effort honestly.

>>2842417
loli Vtuber + cute voice = instant followers. plus it filters out the fake woke sjw audience so thats another plus

>>2842386
it's obvious they're unpopular with other Vtubers but I dont make content for them so why would it bother me what they think? it was more so a general question if there is an audience for loli tubers or should I go with an older looking model?

>>2842366
Oh hey I know you, I was in that thread!

>>2842478
>why would it bother me what they think?

Depends if you're ever planning to network or collab. I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm just saying you'll be playing this game on Hard mode from day 1.

>>2842366
Sorry anon but you really do have tranny voice going on there. Either speak in your normal voice or really work on voice training, right now you sound like a man trying to do a cute girl voice but in a 'i'm going to skin you' sort of way

>>2842484
Ahaha, sorry for the repost then!

>>2842478
There is a audience for loli tubers, also western loli tubers might actually have their own social circle/private discord from what I have heard. So its not like you'll be isolated.

>>2842497
I'll keep working on it! Now put that lotion on the skin or it gets the hose again

>>2842515
Don't be, they're good samples, keep using them.

>>2842497
Any suggestions for improvements specifically? I've been told it lacks a body a lot.

>>2842523
They should.
Honestly I can see why some ignorant westerners correlate loli with pedo but it's obviously different things. I can't believe they're buying the same arguments used against, and disproven constantly, violent video games and music.

Moralfags of the highest caliber.

>>2842578
the funniest part about that argument was seeing obvious lolis saying that they aren't lolis, just petite.

>>2842578
I'm a lolicon AND a pedo and they are VERY different things with only small correlation. The fans, atmosphere, mindset, and even want it stems from are totally different. Hell, even the porn has a different feel. About the only similarity is that they revolve around children.

>>2842636
Self-preservation and crossed wires.

Loli != Minor

Besides 90% of all anime has characters who are minors yet these hypocrites have no trouble fapping to 16 yos who have tits.

Not that that's inherently bad, just illustrating their idiocy at work.

>>2842680
the porn has a different feel? now how would you know that anon?

>>2842721

>>2842680 literally said he's a pedo. Reading reps pls.

>>2842366
you need to start smoking ASAP

>>2842366
what exactly are you trying to achieve with your voice? are you trying to pass as a girl?

>>2842721
I've been here a while.

>>2842758
>>2842759
I wanted to find a voice close to Gura's and it's what I've been working towards.

I'm already streaming and I'm worried that changing up my voice at this point will drive people away, but I also want to work towards passing... but I still want a cute voice.

>>2842789
Passing? Passing what?

>>2842789
>passing

>>2842789
you don't want to hear this but your current voice has a charm to it, and there's people who will like it and watch you for it so maybe aim for something more realistic if you really, desperately, want to pass.

>>2842789

I want to reach a point where people don't tell me I sound like a tranny. Mostly because I don't want that to be an issue for people watching. I'd rather it was a non-issue so we can all focus on the games and having fun.

It has nothing to do with my personal life, I don't want to get that shit involved. I just want to be the little girl.

>>2842789
>passing
All I'm gonna say is that you have alerted the horde. Duck and cover.

>>2842858
whats your design like if I may ask? it might really not be that much of an issue if your voice fits the design

>>2842859
Well shit

>>2842868
Little sister gothic lolita kind of look.

>>2842886
I guess it could work. You need to have more resonance though. Put that throat to work with more than just sucking dick.

>>2842680
The audience for loli tubers is pretty odd, its a mix of degenerates/men who want children/people who like cute things.
How much you get of each demographic depends on how you are really.

>>2842886
it could work, gonna be a lot work.

Who is it that gets me into vtwitchers you ask? Is it the filthy whore raccoon? No. Is it the dying rat of iron? No. It's the fucking goth chick who comes to 4chan because she loves being degraded and slurred, puts on a very fake voice, and streams with an erect 'clit' under her skirt. Don't think we're not on to you.

>>2843138
I'm going to do it. I have never wanted to do something like this before in my entire life. I am playing this on hard mode but I want to give my viewers the voice they deserve. I want to give my model the voice she deserves.

>>2842789
how long have you been streaming?

>>2843287
For about two months 2-3 times a week. I only recently began to find my footing with my voice but it's far from perfect.

>>2843327
And when did you start your voice work?

>>2843327
use a voice changer and call it a day. your voice will thank you

>>2843398
Around November last year.

>>2843445
I thought that was like an instant yab though.

>>2843445
NTA but how effective are voice changers really? Isn't that shit insta detectable?

>>2843490
I watched Artemis for a minute and I could hear the tell-tale buzz of a voice changer. It's very slightly, maybe just a small bit or so, but I work in audio and you can tell right away. Background hum gets boosted as well.

>>2843490
No, as long as you don't expect it to change your voice entirely without putting any effort into maintaining a fake voice. They aren't miracle workers, but they can ease the burden sometimes.

>>2843473
>>2843490
definitely but how long can you sustain the fake voice you put on? it's gonna be a massive strain

>>2843545
The strain's mostly on my upper throat because I'm very shouty while I'm streaming. I was singing along quietly with a song yesterday for three hours without much strain.

Vocal cords are fine and my tutor is telling me it's a healthy voice in the sense that it won't cause damage.

All that being said obviously I need a lot more work. I guess I just want to play on Hard mode? I don't want to cheat.

>>2843528
damn, if Artemis is using voice changers then that shit really don't work huh
>>2843545
that's the thing about training though. The longer you do it, the less of a strain it becomes. Shit ton of work though.

do you guys have any tips on how to train your voice?

>>2843696
Unironically use tranny voice resources, they put on fake voices full-time

>>2843696
Get a voice tutor on preply or something.
Also in what way? Changing it or making it stronger?

>>2843730
Yeah this is good advice. This and singing, preferrably with a teacher who knows what they're doing.

>>2843733
I'm happy with my voice tone, though it's a fake voice I'm putting on (close to my natural voice). I haven't talked much in the past years and my voice is very weak. I can barely scream, and if I do I immediately lose my voice.

>>2843766
Singing lessons.

>>2843730
>>2843776
>>2843745
thank you I will look into it!

I know there’s no cut and dry method to auditioning, but what do you think are the pros and cons of auditioning with video vs auditioning with only audio?

so I have this psychological thing where I constantly sniffle. I'm afraid its gonna be annoying so I mute every time i sniffle. should I just compare embrace the sniffle?

>>2843870
Make it part of your character.

>>2843892
Pretend you're a beat-up housewife who's just one step away from crying.

>>2843870
Snuffy vs Sniffly deathmatch showdown.

>>2843599
Admirable but be prepared to suffer needlessly.

>>2843870
just have a perpetual crying face

>>2843870
Bind a push to mute key

>>2842197
As someone who intends to stream a lot of diablo style games (and metroidvanias), and also plays a lot of PoE, you'll want to look up guides for the game. It's ridiculously complicated to make a 'good' build, let alone one that can do high end maps. I've got over 700 hours in the game and I still have to look stuff up all the time and refer to build guides for build archetypes I haven't done before. The game has a lot of super fast ways to kill you as well so expect a lot of deaths where you just have no fucking idea what happened.

It does have a pretty steady community, however. And a new league just started so viewership is higher than average. Though it started a week ago so it'll steadily lower for a bit until the next league starts.

>>2842373
Loli is a big buff. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Even the ones that get "cancelled" end up with bigger numbers thanks to the free attention.

>>2842373
Any and all design debuffs can be counteracted if you are entertaining enough. The market was already oversaturated with lolis yet look how successful Gura became.

That is to say though, you do need to be entertaining if you are going to be an anime boy in a hoodie. You can't get by on design alone if you arent going to attempt to set yourself apart.

Delta can get 14k viewers with a PNG, what's your excuse?

Taylor Swift is wildly popular, what's your excuse?

>>2854165
That too.

>>2854060
There's other png streamers out there you could've picked one that didn't have ties to HL

>>2794329
imo you dont have to stream what is trendy and what everyone else is already doing. Make your own identity, stream what you like/stream your niche if you want to, people like seeing something new if all the other big streamers are already streaming some game

>>2794905
I would not recommend skeb for this, depending on what this is for
Theres no revisions or feedback with skeb, if you're designing your vtuber character you almost always will want to revise something, skeb just isnt a good platform for this
you can discover artists on there though and see if they offer comms on different platforms too or have direct contact available

>>2854732
Definitely this.
Skeb also has VERY strict rules regarding what you may use the art for. Unless the artist is 100% aware that you will be using it commercially, you are breaking the TOS if you use any of the skebs as notifications or alerts.

You do not have commercial right unless specified by the artist explicitly.

>he doesn't clipfag for himself

>>2857029
what's funny and exciting for me is not necessarily good clip material, and it's difficult to actually tell the difference since you have to separate out your personal first hand reaction.

>>2842366
Are you a guy? sounds like one

>>2842565
I don't know how to get more specific than that, it sounds like a guy trying to do a cutesy voice. To sound like a girl takes a lot more than simply just talking in a high pitched voice. It probably doesn't help that you're speaking through your nose to, which is a problem a lot of people have when trying to do something like that. You can tell if you're speaking through your nose if you pinch the bridge of your nose and feel it vibrate on most/all of your words. There are certain sounds that might cause that regardless, but if you feel it vibrating most of the time then that's one of a couple problems going on

Kinda tells why guys do such a bad job playing girl characters. They think they just need to talk in a high pitched voice and say some cutesy shit and call it a day.

>>2857373
that stems from the fact that most guys are just coomerbrains and believe "if i'm attracted to surface level high voices and booba, then so much everyone else" which is why they don't care to actually have good content (or even personalities) since that's not something they care about themselves.

it's really more telling about the guys themselves than anything, really.

so when the fuck is /vt/ going to start their own agency? i don't give a shit about becoming a vtuber but getting the ball rolling for an entirely new brand? sign me the fuck up

>>2857756
A /vt/ agency would really serve no purpose since there'd be no financial backing and I doubt any useful management ability. Plus the issue of tying yourself back to 4chan.

>>2857756
>getting the ball rolling for an entirely new brand?
so you can take a cut while doing no work yourself? sounds legit

>>2857839
>immediately assuming malice
who hurt you, anon?

>>2857866
where do you think we are?

>>2857882
a place where you can give people the benefit of the doubt with literally zero repercussions

>>2857909
why do you feel entitled to the benefit of the doubt if you're hiding behind anonymity?

>>2857919
not entitled to shit
merely saying that it's an option

>>2857938
then i choose the option to be skeptical of any anon who wants to start something where they just end up taking a cut with no work put in themselves

What would you guys do if a friend of yours was accepted into one of the big companies?

>>2857969
fake answer: be happy for them
real answer: get jealous, hate myself, slowly distance myself from them so i don't constantly compare my shitty life to their successes and then lose all touch with them after a couple of months. it's not like they'll notice because even the holos have admitted they've lost touch with irl friends and basically only hang out with other holos.

>>2857957
you will die alone with cats

>>2857969
be supportive of them...?

>getting this triggered over an anon's comment on a mongolian cartoon image posting website
you're not fit to post here, let alone run an agency, fuck off

>>2857957
good luck with that

>>2857995
its almost like... they're focusing on their job...?

>>2857995
This is depressing but sadly understandable.
>>2858025
Just be supportive? You wouldn't use it as a chance to try and get in your self or to meet some of the vtubers you like?

>>2858078
>meet some of the vtubers you like?
this is never going to happen and would most likely risk your friend's success.

prism already teasing their new models. Have they already decided on applicants?

>>2858078
Being an indie sounds better than being part of some big group plus I don't wanna take advantage of my friends just to meet people

>>2857969
Figure out a way to leverage his wealth to my own benefit and schmooze the hell out of him. If I can squeeze a few grand out of him before he stops talking to me, I'll be set. Those years of putting up with 'friendship' would finally pay off.

Ideally, I'd be a super important supportive outlet for their stress and fears so that they come to rely on me, then cultivate dedicated antis that work against him to increase their reliance on my support and make it necessary to go through the day.

Evil is the fastest route to success.

>>2858355
I don't think you count as anyone's "friend" if this is the case. In fact, I hope you fail at anything you attempt in life.

>>2858183
>>2858258
Not saying you should take advantage of your friend. I'm just curious what people's thoughts are.
Would you at least try to support by watching their stream?

>>2858386

>>2858408
>Would you at least try to support by watching their stream?
they'd be in Holos or Nijisanji, they won't even notice my view in the hundreds - thousand they'll get daily. not worth my time anymore. congrats to them, fly on and shit, leave me to be miserable with my shitty life before i start to resent them for their successes. i'm not a good person, and i'll admit that.

>>2858408
while my support might not be that much I'm happy as long as their just enjoying their work

you doing your social media reps?

>>2860400
Fuck facebook. Even for 'networking' I refuse to use it. Especially with their weird "must use your real name and if we think its a fake name we'll ask for ID" rule. I'm just gonna use Twitter, Twitch (main platform), and YouTube (VOD dumps and any prerecorded content I end up making).

>be me
>stream regularly for months to barely any viewers
>slowly work my way up
>new indie appears
>instantly beats me in followers, interactions and viewers
>she doesn't even have a model yet
>how
>mfw she has a cute voice

do you guys think gura and kana put on a voice while streaming? how can I achieve a similar voice?
a cute voice might be the biggest buff

>>2860603
appeal to the coomer audience and instantly get the clicks and views. simple as.

as for voice training, that shit's gonna take you at least 5-6 months of consistent practice. i wouldn't bother.

>>2860400
Any advice on how someone should do their general social media reps?

>>2860863
DONT
- don't use facebook (lol)
- don't use snapchat (on its way out)
- don't use instagram (algorithm is unfriendly)

DO
- multistream on Youtube and Twitch (unless Twitch affiliate)
- archive VODs on Youtube
- make clips on Twitch
- use kapwing to trim Twitch clips into Tiktok clips
- post highlights on Tiktok
- spam everything onto Twitter

>>2860603
Depends, on your a male, female or a female(male)

>>2860919
I agree with this pretty much. Not a fan of tiktok myself, but it is popular with young people so can help drive people to your main channel.

what kind of voice training can I do to get a soothing voice. youtube doesn't tell me jack

>>2860919
use restream.io to multistream?

>>2861119
- get a clip of a voice actor (or regular actor) or whatever, talking at least a paragraph's worth of shit
- get a voice recording app (there's one on your voice)
- listen to the actor talk, and repeat it into your phone (like at least 30 seconds worth)
- write down the areas that you want to improve, shit like
> i said the word "regularly" weird
> he has a soft r rolling sound
> the way i pronounce X word is not where i want it to be
- start practicing every day, paying attention to your vocal chords, your mouth, tongue position, lips, everything. the idea here is to figure out what the muscles in your face, mouth, and throat are doing when it makes a noise, and how you can flex/relax/combo those muscles to get you to sound the way you want it to sound.

(this shit will take fucking weeks, so do it often)

>>2861129
yes, it also has a handy feature in relaying messages back and forth from both youtube and twitch so you can see it all in a single chatbox

>>2861119
A soothing voice is something you are born with. Voice training is for annunciation

I could use some advice please come and tell me although I am drinking and will continue drinking so take it with a grain of salt. I already know my model is boring, but i'm working on new ideas so it is what it is for now. It was a test model for live2d learning anyways. I'm 2 drinks in. Every time i die i take a sip. I'm really gullible and talkative. Also a male.
https://www.twitch.tv/tangerine_kicks
any real advice is appreciated.

>>2858222
Fire and Ice mutt

>>2862840
lol, your rant about yu gi oh was funny

>>2863569
THANK YOU I LOVE YOU. I BET THE ARCHETYPE YOU LIKE IS SHIT THOUGH

>>2857756
4chan doesnt work as a brand, sure theres plenty of us fags here but most people hate 4chan and anything to do with it

I Really appreciate those who stopped in. It means alot. Sorry i am drinking.

>>2857756
a lot of the vtubers that started a bit after koopa's debut were at one point referred to as a group called 4clover but i'm pretty sure they've abandoned that at this point

>>2857756
4chan’s a poisoned brand if you want to expand beyond the 4chan sphere

>>2857756
I'm in, I'll be the financial backbone of the company with a hundred dollars

>>2857995
Based

I had alot of fun talking to anyone who showed up. Thanks for the watch. Will make a more interesting live2d in the coming weeks. I wish luck to all who want to pursue being a chuuba.

>>2871229
Here's some dead honest feedback:

>Volume and general comprehensibility is overall alright, you're kinda hard to hear when you're concentrating on stuff like drawing and it sounds like you're muttering a bit

>chat interaction is on point, there's very little dead air

>the stories you tell are very entertaining, you have a slight tendency to repeat the last few sentences a few times in a row but honestly you can tell a good story, the school stuff was a blast to hear

>don't talk anything resembling politics IMO, the IRA stuff should have probably been left unsaid, some people think the 'RA are terrible ,the others consider them heroes, it ain't worth discussing

>more entertaining while sobering up than when drunk

Overall, very promising.

>>2871494
Thank you i appreciate you a lot.
I've tried to stay away from political stuff. I should have stopped with the IRA stuff and i think a part of me was telling me drop it but idk.
I try not to have dead air but it's hard when there's no one watching, doing my best.
I think i move to far away from the mic when concentrating and my tabled gets in the wa because i look down. I do have a tendency to mutter i think too.
Drunk streams aren't planned to be common just gimmicky.
Overall i just really like talking to people and telling stories. although i'm sure i'll end up reapeating stories like how i repeat sentences.
Once again thank you for watching. I really do appreciate it AND the feedback. It means alot to me. i will work on all the points to presented.

>>2871903
I am now curious and will check out the vod in a bit.

>>2872578
I would skip the first like 30 minutes i think, no one is there and i'm just getting shit on by a boss, drinking alone, etc.

Good evening peeps. There is a discord set up for current and future male vtubers from /vt/: https://discord.gg/KEGjXmtK

>>2872640
I'm gonna watch those 30 minutes and you're gonna like it

>>2872944
>>2872944
>>2872944
new

>>2872825
oh. Okay. It's really boring i think.