/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>28351257
NOOOO YOU JUST HATE ME YOUR NUMBER ONR FAN WHO AKASUPAS HIS ENTIRE ALLOWANCE AND SOON TO BE TRUST FUND BABY. AIIEEEEEEEE

I'd like to think I am. I use my GFE no-males-allowed chuuba to practice japanese and improve my vocabulary.

>thing happen
>spend all day shitposting about it
>every day
maybe take her advice

i like to listen to my favorite holo girls while i do hobby stuff. sometimes i chat or even superchat if it’s my very favorite streamer, and i buy memberships for anyone I watch repeatedly. if one of them had males in their stream i’d stop going to that channel.

>>28351546
Based omega chad. Whats yr hobby?

The fact that Ame was the one who said this is hilarious. Literally the laziest en member who has no talents whatsoever

>>28351257
I do my best.

>"I won't adhere to any standards, but give me money."

>>28351257
Fuck off, Ame, hope you invested your earnings. Oh wait, the economy's imploding!

>>28351257
Grow yourself what? A pair of balls? Can you suck mine!?

Educate yourself

>>28351526
I don't even watch streams bro

>>28351349
Again, the dude in the picture is a white knight, he's not going to actually criticize her, so he doesn't fit your satire.

I lift for ame

>>28351737

I buy superchat and merch. You owe me everything.

>>28351257
>>28351647
>>28351737
>>28351827
Someone needs to make Ame's OC with: "improve yourself"

>>28351884
R you actually the obese dude???

>>28351647

Damn, these are some sour grapes. Ame has worked herder behind the scenes than anyone. The Halloween and Christmas streams only happened because she made it happen.

>>28351257
What credentials do you even need to become a vtuber for Holoive?

>>28352112
I honestly dont know since Ame got in who is someone that has like zero talents

>>28351257
I imagine two very different messages being expressed when I imagine Ame saying it versus Finana saying it

And Ame’s is the based kind

>>28351546
Or just be normal and skip that stream and see if it happens more and more or if it just happens like once a month like it does for everyone else
Just because the girls are all autistic doesn’t mean you have to be so autistic too anon

>>28352072
Kek no I'm not the dude, I'm just autistic about details like this. Sorry, carry on.

Ame is forgetting who made her popular and successful, and has become full of herself. I find it both sad and infuriating that she, and other girls, not only have a low opinion about the fans who carried their asses over the finish line but also seem utterly incapable of adhering even to the most basic standards. Hell, they aren't even standards. Treating your fans with a degree of respect is basic courtesy and effectively the only thing people want is - don't collab with males. Yet even this slightest whiff of holding her to some basic expectation, some basic rule makes her say retarded shit. She's an e-celeb with an ego that's grown too big. She clearly holds her audience in contempt. Deal with that in whatever way you want.

Also fuck Cover.

>>28351257
80% women don't understand what it's like to be 80% men, which is why it's easy for her to say.

>>28351257
I'm pretty sure that girls like Miko, Korone, and even fucking Marine have been asked that at least once in their career and simply responded "no I won't collab with male streamers" and that was that.

Why can't EN girl even manage that? Wtf is wrong with western woman? Rhetorical question btw

>>28352663
>Ame is forgetting who made her popular and successful
Are you sure its that and not also because she is also more capable and creative than most of the hololive girls? I doubt many of the JPs would be able to set up their own 3D studio on their own pocket. Except maybe Suisei I guess.

>>28352995
cope harder, teacuck
your la creatividad meme can't get you out of this one

>>28352663
You don't matter. Keep coping

>>28352995
Yes. Fags who give a truly give a shit about muh creatividad aren't the paypigs. Parasocials are.

>>28352663
mucho texto. just say you're an entitled loser and cry about it

>>28351257
Percect reminder to only watch JP girls. Let HoloEN collapse.

>>28353056
>>28353097
I am just stating facts, I don't see Lamy doing shit for her paypigs

>>28353223
I don't see Lamy telling her paypigs to touch grass

>>28353180
You are not Japanese

>>28353180
>Percect

>>28351257
Doesn’t she live like a crazy cat lady.

>>28351257
I will continue doing so. Ame has encouraged me to get better at things and pick up new skills for the past 1.5 years. I probably wouldn't have gotten a job if it weren't for her, so she's pretty much improved my life for the better.

>>28353255
No, because she depends on her paypigs to give her money to go host clubs just so she can spend money on them and booze over you guys.

>>28351257
great advice Ame, my first act in growing myself will be stop watching girls larp as anime characters, thanks!

>>28353056
>>28353097
>can't actually address any point
kek
>>28353255
you don't see ame asking for money either. actually she streams without supas a lot

>>28353380
You're confusing the vtuber with the roommate. I don't care how her roommate's spending that money as long as I don't know about it. Out of side out of mind. This is a vtuber (that I actually like) telling me to touch grass.

>>28351257
No thanks I rather shitpost about talentless lazy spic whores on this website.

>>28352859
The difference is their audience (heh I say audience but the beggars don't really watch). If any EN say that they'll get cancelled or whatever by the twitter/reddit fags that DEMAND them to collab with holostars just because. The JPs don't have that kind of retards demanding shit while not even watching

>>28352663
>Ame is forgetting who made her popular
Not you that's for sure.

>>28353471
She's not telling you to touch grass faggot, she just told you she knows what she's doing and knows her own audience so don't worry about it, use that same energy you use to shitpost in this hellhole to run at least a mile.
You faggots really think these girls hate money or something to commit career suicide?

>>28354004
If the dicks big enough, Yes.

>>28354004
How many reps I do in the gym every day is none of her business. It's not her place to tell me to touch grass. She's there to provide a virtual idol experience, not ruin it with this bullshit. I don't even care that she never actually collabs with a male in the future. It's this fucking attitude that turns me away.

>>28354111
>projecting
anon stop being so thirsty for dick. you're better than this

>>28353324
Cuckold

>>28354004
Shitposting doesn't even make me stand up
>>28353553
>patriarchal society empowers men, including incels
>women chubas are free to do as they wish
>neoliberal capitalism empowers women and shits on incels
>women chubas get forced to suck dick by other women and trannies
Feels good to not be responsible for any of this

>>28352104
>worked behind the scenes
absolute giga cope.

"Yeah, she totally does stuff, you just can't see it or know what it is. Just believe me. She's reaaaaally creative guys and is totally doing all this stuff behind the scenes. Again, I cannot say what specifically that is because I'm just making things up."

>>28354240
???
You read what I said right?
Ame is the one thirstin' for BBC my guy and your such a cuck you'll still watch and give her money while she sucks 'em on stream.
Learn to have some fucking self respect and stop protecting the girl who won't even give you any and actively insults you.

>>28354176
Again, she's not telling you to touch grass, she just told you trust in her judgement and don't complain about stuff so much, do something else instead, a touch grass comment would have bee like Mori: ''You can't tell me what do i'm gonna use your money to donate to the person you don't like tehee, buy my vinyl in the back''

>>28354488
>I cannot say what specifically
kiara's birthday and mori's 3D concert?

>>28354488
>A fucking office to do 3D for the en girls to go
>Shitting on NFTS so much that cover canceled to make some a la Kizuna AI

>>28352663
Extremely based

>>28354556
>Ame is the one thirstin' for BBC

what the fuck is her problem with that attitude? lol

>>28352995
>>28353068
>>28353158
You know I am right and you can't come up with a single argument against mine. Your shitty memes don't matter.

>>28354599
"Don't worry, trust my judgement, I won't do anything that'll upset you, like collabing with male streamers" is a far cry away from "those that aren't happy with it, should use that energy and do something productive! I'm talking to 6000 boys now, why aren't you upset about that?!?!"

>>28354871
I'm asking this sincerely. do you watch ame at all?

>>28355025
Yes, I do.

>>28355071
than how can you not see that this bit was one of her jokes?

>>28353324
Elaborate pls

>>28351257
QRD anyone?

I rarely watch Ame but aren't you can just grow and be productive without touching grass?

>>28355025
Never watched her, never plan to.

I love it when vtubers say shit and anons use it as shitposts for the next few hours.

>>28351257
based ame-chan giving helpful advice to the obese unicorn NEETs

>>28352425
instead of wondering if every announced collab is the one im going to be skipping, i will just watch a different vtuber
>>28351617
gunpla

what a bunch of retards

>>28355360
it's pretty fun. the people making these threads don't even hide it's always them
>>28351349
>>28350727

>>28355485
cope

>>28352425
Sure that's what nijien fans thought at first.
Nope.

>>28351257
Be productive and provide entertainment instead of GFE

I’m productive guys!
Anything for ame

>>28356036
kek

It's correction time

CORRECTION TEAM ASSEMBLE

>>28354864
Maybe for the subset of unicorns. I doubt that applies to every normie that follows every liver though. The normies are against you.

>>28355025
She's the one I watch the most in HoloEN, so now I'm a little empty. Guess I'll go back to the subtitles and Koro-san's embrace

>>28357150
see >>28355118

>>28356994
He never claimed otherwise. He said she’s abandoning the people who made her for them. Please read the thread properly before adding low quality replies.

>>28351257
I wanna live an alt universe where she became popular Twitch thot and open an onlyfans.

>>28355118
Yeah I saw that and felt bad for whoever typed that
"i-it's just a joke g-guys, f-friendly banter haha"

>>28351257
Based

>>28355257
Ame said in a member stream that males are a necessity for Hololive and the next step in the evolution of vtuber culture. Then proceeded to suck off a dude who is presumed to be one of the EN Stars while asking chat for new positions to try with him. Pretty fun all in all, though some teammates are kinda salty about the whole ordeal

>>28351257

>>28356036
Kek. Clown world.

>>28356994
>liver
nijifags falseflagging once again

>>28352663
It's insane how hard they have to twist the girls' arms in order to make them produce content above "look at my boobs" and "teehee, let's talk to men."

Like fuck the moment Kson set out on her own she went from one of the most talented, creative vtubers on the scene to "look at my boobs guys." It's so embarrassing. And they will act so put off when you tell them "but I came to watch your good content."

>>28355214
He had to earn money to give ame money. Literally no ego whatsoever not even really a human.

>>28351257
JP only fags always tell me EN is a mistake. I refused to believe them. Now I realize I was wrong.

>>28352663
You know the JP girls have collabed with males before right?

>>28362181
You still won't learn japanese so remember you're here forever.

>>28361694
kek saved

>>28362271
nah ill just go back to /a/ and binge watch the last 2 years of releases

Anons, what's the best alternative to hololive? I want to start anew with a another corpo, one that respects idol culture, in case things go south with the homos. e

>>28352104
Her hard work do not mean anything if teamates didn't support her. Hell, she even draw the fund from them (watch the credit). Now she act like an asshole when she no longer need them.

maybe it's time to go out and have sex, bros

>>28351257
Honestly, I'm relieved EN is getting ahead of this and shitting on their fanbase now. This way none of you faggots have any excuse when you continue to support them and pretend they don't hate you because they've made it clear for everyone.

>>28362348
Nice, your time is probably better spent that way.

>>28362181
I miss the days when this was the gold standard. No one in EN comes even remotely close to someone like Suisei or similar.

>>28362480
okay let me just
*unmembers everyone*

>>28362526
unironically if this is a game changer for you, find new hobbies, it's being made more apparent that your oshis won't be there for you anymore, so don't be there for them if they don't want you

>>28352663
If Watson didn't provide GFE, she'd be fine with it. But she did. She also pandered hard to Goslings since her debut. Her annoucement must have hit them like a brick wall. It won't be strange if her teamate consider her action as betrayal. She fucked up hard this time

So how long until ame apologize or become quite for 24 hours ? Because you know cover intern lurk in this place and they are gonna over react with sudden Ame thread in catalog

>>28361191
Damn. And I thought holo chubba is somehow superior

>>28361694
Holy kek, saved

>>28351257
This triggers… unsubscribe

>>28361694
I FUCKING HATE THIS BITCH

>>28351257
Oh, is Amelia the HoloEN Vtuber we hate for no particular reason after Mori this week? I guess I can pencil this into my schedule.

>>28362381
Setting boundries doesn't make you an asshole. It makes you sane. Look what happened to Rushia. She kept feeding the unicorns and schizo's and she had a mental breakdown because of it.

You aren't entitled to run someone's life because you contribute .01% of their yearly income.

>>28362217
Yes. But that happened when streaming standard and expectation from holo is very low. Now any holo who want to collab with males has to find a way to not make their gachikois upset.

>>28363034
It’s possible to treat others badly without breaking any entitlements and if you do it to people who have been supporting you because someone else looks more enticing you’re a bad person

>has told people to improve themselves since Superliminial
>threadreaders are only posting about it now because of dramafagging

>>28351257
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>>28363115
Simple. You don't brag about it like a fucking ego maniac. If you want collab, just treat it like other. You don't need answer the question like "are you gonna collab with male ?! THAT"S LAMEEEE XD XD XD". The only reason you answer the question because the question is wound your insignificant ego

>>28363266
NO fuck you. She was talking down to her fans, and you know it.

>>28363269
Unfortunately, some woman being a WHORE produced your stupid ass

>>28352995
And in the future she can make use of that knowledge to support Hololive from behind the scenes.

in the end, a hobby that started off with females exploiting lonely males for money, ended up being slowly taken over by females who want to see males and females pretend to be anime characters, interacting with each other and act as material for shipping, a common past time of females. I will take the advice and will be working on self improvement. I'll show up again years from now to this shithole of a board linking to this post and a timestamp of my jacked body.

>>28355360
This is literally the only reason why I'm here. I don't even watch vtubers outside of clips, I only find them entertaining as a source of drama.

That being said: I'm completely on the side of the people getting mad. Some dumb e-cunt is not the position to shit on her audience. She should be thankful of them for not having to sell her ass like normal whores do.

>>28363034
No one wanted to be treated like disposable tissues. She can't just slam the door and make her supporters watch her hanging out with a guy from the window. Especially when everything she owns came from their support.

>>28363335
Watch streams retard

>>28363647
I stand against you clipfags normally but your values here are based so I stand with you

>>28363395
I’m so sorry, that your my gets passed around for dollar. What a cheap whore. Very productive of her!

>>28351257
DROPED this is almost as bad as finana and her educate yourself shit

>>28363395
I’m so sorry, that your mom gets passed around for dollar. What a cheap whore. Very productive of her!

>>28363605
>ended up being slowly taken over by females who want to see males and females pretend to be anime characters, interacting with each other and act as material for shipping, a common past time of females.
I wonder whether there is a sizeable enough market for that though and whether it's as lucrative. There are plenty of lonely man who'll get easily emotionally attached attached. Even VShoujo cunts have plenty of gachikoi.
The problem is that interacting with men, admitting that you have a boyfriend, etc. all reduces your audience. Some of the gachis might put up with it, but a lot of them won't and they'll be looking for another target of affection that delivers what they want.

>>28363798
Kek, Ame has always been this way

>>28357307
Honestly... Me too

>>28363308
She could've said something better. Like it's her reponsibility as leader of EN, she wants to help them grow, for the future of the company and she still love teamate the most. But no, she smashed them with a brick and implied they ain't good for her anymore.

>>28364046
>Like it's her reponsibility as leader of EN, she wants to help them grow, for the future of the company and she still love teamate the most.
This. Sure it's lie maybe, but at least you don't hurt your customer

>>28364046
She could've but this is Ame we're talking about, not the first time and sure won't be the last.

>>28351877
then your just a shilling shitposter, how about go to /b/ /pol/ you /fag/

>>28352995
>she is also more capable and creative than most of the hololive girls?
>paying other people to make thing = being creative yourself

Okay, I educated and grew myself, and I still don't like watching anime boys play games. Feels a bit gay

>>28351257
i did this and then did dating and that's how i ended up just watching vtubers because it was the exact same amount of effort and level of meaningful interaction but with women who were extremely boring and unattractive and i got to see maybe one every 6 months
but now that vtubers are going to start collabing with guys there is no place anymore where i can even get the illusion of exclusive attention from women so might as well... i don't know. probably time to learn japanese I guess.

What a dumb whore. Does she really think paypigs watch her for her "creative content"?

>>28364046
I bet you Retard didn't watch the stream
>ClipNigger!

>>28362520
Suisei collabs with males

>>28351257
>be productive
Subtle jab that suggests the fans opposing her inclination to collaborate with male v-tubers are no-life neets who make no money or produce anything of value.

>grow yourself
Subtle jab that suggests the fans opposing her inclination to collaborate with male v-tuber are manchildren who's immaturity and lack of complacency toward the status quo invalidates their opinions.

She called the fans who don't agree with her choices worthless incels and losers in the most PR friendly way possible. Ooof.

Yagoo… please kill this branch and just let HoloJP continue to be successful.

>>28355257
Ame didn’t shit on Tempus and told people that treat collabs with males as an act of marital infidelity they should apply all that feeling to do something with their lives. Fags are willfully misrepresenting her statements as hatred for her viewers.

>>28363850
The simple formula to a gachikoi vtuber success goes something like this:
>stream
>interact with chat, read donations
>play games, talk, tell stories, act like a dumb loveable anime girl
>end stream
>rinse and repeat
They do not have to mention having a boyfriend or collab with male streamers, let alone talk to them, just focus on entertaining the audience. It worked for a bunch of vtuber girls but somewhere down the line, males got forced onto their streams and things go downhill fast. They also need to have a super strong opsec and make sure no private information gets out like having a boyfriend, being married or something similar, but real die hard gachikois are usually fine with unintentionally finding out about their oshi's private life because as crazy as many of them are, they do know that the actor behind the character has a separate and private life. Many are very aware that a vtuber girl isn't their girlfriend, she's just a form of escapism to forget about their shitty lives for a few hours a day, and ruining it by having some male show up on their stream and take focus away is what upsets a lot of them. I hate seeing trolls and femcels online try and twist and skew this truth but there basically is no winning for the typical "lonely geek male" who is into vtubers unless they either learn to accept or move on with a different interest.

>>28364521
damn straight she does

>The fat teammate pics gets to stay around
>Picture of the Takokeks doing that shit for ina's bday always gets deleted
hmmmm

>>28363647
>I don't watch or support them, I'm only interested in the drama
>*Proceeds to agree to the opinion that's seen as controversial*
And this is why people can't take this place seriously.

>>28351257
BASED BASED BASED

>>28351257
I will. She's right. It's what most of her viewers probably needed to hear.

>>28364758
These fags are not improving themselves, sadly.

>>28364603
if insecure weirdos are going to take it that way, there's no helping them and the observations it makes them notice about themselves are objectively correct

>>28364758
Pretty accurate summary despite the bad grammar

>>28364046
you would've been offended by anything she could've said lmao

>>28365245
People who aren't going to take it that way don't give money to vtubers. Not in Japan anyway, dunno about the western market. Maybe the western man has been trained enough to take this shit from women and society

>>28364829
kawaii is doing this and even the idol stuff and even their most popular streamer doesn't break 400 viewers. i don't think the gachi formula works well in the english language, at least not now. it just doesn't. those that want english langauge gachi content are the minority and it's clear, now. you can say it's trolls or whatever ruining it but i think it's just that the market isn't that big.
and I mean it wouldn't be the first time either something that was new/popular in japan flopped elsewhere once people understood what it was really about, or they weren't ready for that kind of content. it's happened time and again. it always comes back eventually though.

>>28365330
She could've said "No I won't collab with male streamers." like so many of her senpais, and that would've been that

>>28364603
This post reeks of projection.

>>28364046
>Like it's her reponsibility as leader of EN
Kek you didn't even watch the stream

>>28364829
>they do know that the actor behind the character has a separate and private life
I'd say that their popularity 'can' take a hit under such circumstances. It depends on how the vtuber presented herself, e.g. if she presented herself as being lonely, a virgin, etc. the audience might feel betrayed, but if she didn't make reference to this sort of thing at all or typically dodged the topic (which is the case for most JP vtubers) then the audience would possibly - if a little disappointed - at least not be freaking out (besides a few die hard gachis and antis pretending to be). Much of the popularity of a vtuber (and the same goes for female facecam streamers) is tied to the illusion of sexual availability. A streamer is more popular if the audience is under the impression they could be dating her. And a lot of female streamers intuitively realise this - after all, even many of the crass Nijisanji streamers don't make active reference to current or past relationships.

>>28365507
It's not just gachi, you also have gachitubers in Japan as 2views as well. The brand unironically makes a big difference, especially in getting people in through the door. The gachi format makes the people stay or throw money.

>>28365018
I don't see how that's a controversial opinion. When I see a woman act like a cunt I'm certainly not going to take her side like some retarded simp.

>>28365474
there will always be simps
Plus every holo makes a salary I'm pretty sure and there's still merch and whatever other job their roommate gets up to

I think they'll be fine.

>>28365765
>When I see a woman act like a cunt I'm certainly not going to take her side like some retarded simp.
This and based

>>28351257
I'll take your advice and stop watching you, dumb cunt

>>28351257
Yeah except she was seething, salty, and coping, not smug.

>>28364744
We should have listened. There's a reason Yagoo remains best girl in the polls, it keeps the Holos humbled since they are always reminded that the number 1 spot belongs to the King.

Mind you HoloJP are good oshis for the most part, but knowing that their own loyal fans shitpost about Yagoo being the best in their own streams breaks their hearts a little because they know Yagoo owns them and not the other way around, they can only reach A rank after all their hard work, but S rank is his. Their ego's are kept at check by the constant reminder that they must be grateful for everything they receive, this guarantees they wont just shit on the fans and disgrace the company's image least they want to summon Yagoo's wrath and lose their entire livelihood.

This is what Vshojo and Holo EN needs, a strong slap in the cheeks to remind them the fans own them, not the other way around, they should be licking the soles of their fans for all the love and support they don't deserve.

>>28355484
B-b-based, I wish a HoloEN would pick it up. Maybe Kronii, she has the right kind of autism and has been literally building puzzles. Ina is another contender but she seems like she is fresh out of patience.
Built my RG Sazabi while I watched the Aussie collab earlier.

>>28356994
Normies, as always, don’t matter. Greyscum who don’t watch streams and don’t donate. They don’t get a say.

"Good customers are as rare as Latinum. Treasure them."
-57th Rule of Acquisition

>>28366132
Yagoo created Homostars idk why you're defending him.

>>28364744
Yagoo please declare Covers bankruptcy, the community would be better off

>>28352663
Wont read all that shit, cry harder faggot

>>28352425
this is actually good advice wtf

>>28365507
I think the form and the aesthetics may have to be different for an English market, but I disagree about there not being a market. The fact that vtubers exist, that people watch facecam streamers in bathtubs, that onlyfans is a thing is an expression of loneliness. Men are lonely and they're filling that void with that kind of entertainment. In Japan it seems like people are more shameless about explicitly expressing that desire, and the Japanese market caters more openly to these demands in the form of anime, manga, dating sim video games, goods like dakimakuras, tengas in all forms and colours, school girl piss scented perfumes, etc.; for the west, there is still a lot of shame tied to such subjects. A few die-hard incels aside, the average incel would rather not be viewed as an incel but rather a temporarily embarrassed gigolo who hasn't yet realised his true potential. I find this quite interesting how the west is typically portrayed as being more outgoing and honest with ones feelings while the Japanese veil their true feelings behind a facade of tatemae, yet in this regard, it seems completely opposite. And in that regard, the form this kind of entertainment takes in the west is typically one that leaves a plausible deniability to the viewer, veiling a GFE behind a facade of gaming or reaction content, where the audience is permanently reassured that they're not 'those' types of losers for watching this sort of thing but that it's 'just' entertainment.
In that regard, I would argue that an explicit GFE would be 'too much' for western sentiments but that GFE implicitly happens anyway when people get invested in a female streamers, vtubers, etc. as long as they stay clear of topics such as current boyfriends.

>>28362480
I dug and planted a garden with my wife and kids over the last 2 days, am a member of 3 HoloENs, mow my own grass and my elderly neighbor’s, and will unsub from Ame if she pushes this shit with male tubers without a second thought. There are far, far more vtubers to watch than time in the day as it is. I represent the majority.
That said, she’s not known to be retarded and will not be pushing it. She owes Hololive, and her “unicorns”, everything and isn’t shy about saying so. She’s not going to fuck that up and absolutely nobody gives a shit if she does a collab with a male tuber onscreen twice a year.
The fact that I watched Bae-Roberu means I already have 100% more male tuber viewership than any retards pushing for this to own the single men.

>>28366280
We are global citizenry, no boundaries, no borders, everyone has a say.

>>28352425
>once a month
too many, twice a year max

>>28362698
That’s not at all being made apparent, in fact.

>>28352425
>Or just be normal and skip that stream
That's what I did with NijiEN and I ultimately stopped watching them.

>>28351257
>this board stops shilling Ame the second she speaks negatively of Goslings
Interesting.

>>28363034
You know that never happened, right? Th crazy lady went full meltdown mode because her own twink BF threw her under the bus rather than offend his own female paypiggies. Rushia’s simps just followed her to her new channel.

>>28367065
Yes, we have something called self-respect

>>28365330
Nope.

>>28363647
Oh fuck off with this “customer is always right” mentality. You don’t like what she’s doing? Find a different chuuba. It’s easier than shitflinging on a Mongolian basket weaving forum about how your oshii isn’t attracted to faggots that post /here/

>>28367065
Isn't that a good sign, that people recognise when someone is acting like a cunt and don't blindly simp away?

>>28367059
hololive won't turn into nijiEN where we get "surprise collab" every stream, chill.

>>28367315
oh no no no screencap this

>>28367238
lol
lmao

>>28366988
Nope, there’s no global anything and greyshitters don’t have a vote and don’t matter. You have no voice.

>>28366888
>In Japan it seems like people are more shameless about explicitly expressing that desire

Japan literally has host and hostess clubs since forever. It's not just anime but rather ingrained in their society. The anime subculture have taken it in a different direction but the overall scheme of companionship is still there. So for the Japanese, vtubing isn't just about watching an anime girl playing games but rather it's a virtual host or hostess club to some people.

>>28367265
>Oh fuck off with this “customer is always right” mentality.
NGMI, wagie.

>>28367065
And that’s a good thing.

>>28367265
Customer is always right.

>>28363647
>I don't even watch vtubers outside of clips, I only find them entertaining as a source of drama.
we know

>>28366371
HoloEN is merely a colony, they only care about Gura's behavior as shown by her manager's obsessive micromanaging of her. Cover saw how many buckaroos Vox was making and wanted in on that market. What I'm getting at is that they only bully and harass the holos they care about, that's why Mori is a trainwreck, because her manager literally lets her do whatever the fuck she wants until it crosses the line and even then she only has to give halfhearted fake apologies. Compare that to Korone who had to make a formal apology for liking Jar Jar, it's night and day.

There are so many ways in which Ame could have de-escalated the situation, best one of them being completely ignoring the question and doing the collab out of nowhere without replying or even addressing the unicorns' protest. But no, she had to "correct" them and shame them for even suggesting that they own her ass. This is her fault for "keeping it real" like Mori and showing teeth to the hand that feeds her.

>>28367238
>Self Respect
>Gives their neetbux to and argues with other retards online about women who are wearing a digital mask

Pick one

>>28367265
See how far you get without paying customers then.

>>28367654
>Customer is always right in matters of taste, needs and wants.

>>28367059
To be fair Niji En was having collabs out of the ass with 80% of their streams as collabs. Only recently did the girls realize they were being used and have been regulated as second class citizens in the company, and therefore pulled back on the collab marathons.

>>28367571
i doubt he even has a job

>>28367674
She wanted to tell people to chill and not worry and that it will be fine but fumbled it and just pissed people off. She didn’t do anything like what OPreddit wishes she had, and never will.

>>28362378
Kawaii is the only no males allowed group.

>>28367803
Yes.

>>28367674
>they only care about Gura's behavior
Then get mad at Yagoo for not being more strict with them instead of praising him?

>>28367674
>There are so many ways in which Ame could have de-escalated the situation, best one of them being completely ignoring the question and doing the collab out of nowhere without replying or even addressing the unicorns' protest.
This is what I don't understand: why would you even address the issue?

By explicitly standing your ground and making this implicitly feminist, you're only going to make matters worse. It's like they have no management at all or if they're managed the person managing them has no idea of PR at all.

>>28367470
the amount of gatekeeping holobronies are doing puts you nijiniggers to shame. look at what you let your EN branch become

>>28367674
>This is her fault for "keeping it real" like Mori and showing teeth to the hand that feeds her.
Fuck off this has nothing to do with Mori. Ame has always been like this and this wasn't the first time.

>>28351257
>don't watch me, I don't like you
How are you going to sustain your job, Ame? Where are the new viewers going to come from?

>>28368100
Ame has a managerial position now, she didn't spend all that money on the 3d studio from her own pockets. Hell if she was so desperate for viewers why is she streaming so few hours compared to before?

>>28368037
Catering to lunatics results in the lunatics making ever increasing demands. By making a point, she's culling the herd. The most rabid and unyeilding gachikois will leave, reducing the chance of one of them having their obsession escalate to the point of them doing something dangerous, like trying to track her down and drag her into the rape basement.

>>28367674
>showing teeth to the hand that feeds her
by saying she will focus on solo content and everything will stay the same?

>>28368270
If only. Ame is a better producer than she is a streamer.

>>28368056
Gatekeeping = immune system. Fail to gatekeep it and you lose it, simple as. Only redditard faggots don’t brag about gatekeeping, an objectively good necessity.

>>28365617
just your interpretation, not exact word for word

>>28368308
The problem is that you might lose a great deal of your paying audience in the process though.

>>28368308
What increasing demands were there? There was only one: Don't collab outside hololive.

>The amount of Tourist here is unmeasurable
>You can tell that Dramafags enjoy baiting this onion skinned retard tourist.

>>28368270
She did spend it out of her own pocket, as it happens. Shouldn’t have had to but she did.

>>28367265
>You don’t like what she’s doing? Find a different chuuba.
You're right, but they're acting out specifically because they have to go find a new chuuba.

>>28368056
right back at you, nigger. Ya couldn't be content with that progressive group of yours ya click at this thread

>>28368308
You do realize that this predditor tier dipshit gaslighting that not wanting cute girls to interact with males is CrAzy is never going to work, right? Vtubing is never, ever changing and becoming Westerncucked. Idol rules are eternal and objectively good. Anybody forgetting that is easily replaced, and quickly will be.

>>28368485
Ame never intended to collab outside Hololive anyways, she said it herself

>>28367265
They aren't robots, they has feelings they have to deal with. It's awful and they need time

>>28351257
>and grow yourself
Jokes on you Ame; I'm gonna be baby faced until I'm 60, then I'm going to shrink into a tiny midget. There's no more growth here, only shrinkage.

>>28351987
No, me. I buy twice as much as you so she owes ME everything, cuck.

>>28369083
>There's no more growth here, only shrinkage.

Its sad to know anon having a small dick and its still shrinking.
KYS now anon before it retracts and become a Vag.

>>28367167
They still follow her cuz she never want to show she and the twink together on stream. That's professionalism

>>28354488
this doesn't even count as a threadreader what the fuck is this?

>>28368475
Yes, but that's part of risk management, you reduce potential profits moderately by acting safely in order to prevent complete destruction. I don't think Ame will even actually collab with males, but by giving that impression, she's burning back the obsessive types most likely to fly off the handle.

>>28368485
As if there aren't people constantly bitching about the amount or kind of content the girls are putting out, yabs, calling for graduations etc etc etc. The girls talk, and when one is put under pressure, the others are too, you might think your oshi is unaffected by people shitting on their Genmates or other holomems they're close with, but they aren't. They see the drama, and because they're friends with the girl currently being targeted, they go defensive. Happens enough times and you're going to see people who are fishing for drama as the enemy and want to destroy them.

>>28351257
Vtubers are the ones that made me into this type of person. I was way more productive and had plenty of other hobbies before streams started taking up all my time.

>>28353311
She is having fun with her boyfriend right now

>>28367167
It should be noted that most paypiggies 'want' to believe that she's innocent here. And she clearly fed into that denial. If it were a western vtuber she would have had a big twitter rant about misogyny, empowerment and female sexual autonomy, claimed she was free to date whomever she wants, how her viewers didn't own her, etc. and thereby alienated most of her audience.

>>28368778
Cope harder faggot, every major company outside of hololive doesn't give a shit about being Idols, and even hololive is an entertainment company. If you want Idols, look to AKB48

>>28369540
No, she went out to grab dinner. I know this, to clarify, because that boyfriend is me.

>>28351257
What she's trying to tell you is that normalfags are taking over as the target audience for vtubers. These girls aren't going to pretend to be wholesome and pure for the sake of otaku virgins anymore, they're moving on to the lowest common denominator. Time to find a new hobby.

>>28369540
Yeah, me

>>28369367
I don't think it's that rational of a choice. Ame just has that sort of personality where she acts cunty when people push her. That's really all there is to it. Whether she she'll interact with males will depend on how Cover decides to handle things. I wouldn't be surprised if she were to avoid males either, but I'm not particularly invested here, so I wouldn't rule it out completely (even though I think it wouldn't be a particularly good business decision).

>>28368940
But she will if she collabs with holostars. That's my point.

Why not

>>28368940
>he forgot the Astel arc

>>28366888
western culture is never, never going to acknowledge the "lonely male" problem in any kind of productive or even palliative way, unless you consider drinking, opiates, and suicide to be "palliative." and if it makes you or anyone feel any better, it's not the only problem that gets swept under the rug. and even the ones that do get attention are not dealt with in a way that's at all effective.
it only gets some acknowledgement in japan because the country is absurdly anti-immigrant and the government has no way to cover up the problems caused by the declining birth rate, and like the anon mentioned there's are things like host clubs that make the business model seem kind of normal. so, I would bet "lonely males" in Japan actually have way more self esteem than the average western "lonely male" simply because they're told that what they're experiencing is common but not normal and so they're more determined to try to do something about it, collectively.
whereas every "lonely male" in the rest of the developed world is just told what they're experiencing is uncommon and not normal, and so have generally terrible self esteem and simply absorbed by the worst vices and the worst predators when they try to directly address it.

>>28369272
Everyone's dick will become a skin flap eventually, anon. Unless you want to die young, you better start accepting the inevitable.

>>28370315
this level of alienation is only addressed by Marxism :)

>>28351257
what happened? I'm too lazy to look

>>28366888
highly based post. I think Japanese are actually more honest about sex than westerners, at least more than Americans and Anglos. They only hide their feelings about... everything else.

>>28370573
yeah man too bad all the marxists went crazy back in 2020 and are how busy aggressively posting on the internet how great china and russia are and how the collapse of the west is inevitable

>>28370573
I don't see how gulags are going to help here

>>28370315
The lonely Male problem is only a problem because people think that isn't the way things are meant to be. If you're lonely, and all the women reject you, it's your fault. There's something wrong with you, and you shouldn't be allowed to have children, either because your physically, mentally or spiritually deformed.

>>28371064
Oh look, a woman. You know the drill.

>>28370580
>I'm too lazy to look
>then they will give you bait rrat

Just go KYS Laze Fag!

>>28369901
>Cover management
You're talking about omegatranny here, which is a gigantic faggot

>>28370580
>fans: are you gonna collab with males?
>vtuber: yes i will, stop being an incel and improve yourself, i don't even care about you

>>28371259
>I can't cope with facts, so I have to pretend

There are no women in /vt/. You're just an unambitious faggot

>>28367315
>Omega will try his best, don't worry.

>>28371445
If she didn't care about you, she wouldn't be telling you to improve yourself and stop being an incel. You're just so used to being fucking useless that you regard encouragement as an attack

>>28370573
In my experience, Marxists turn into Free Market Libertarians when it comes to the sexual marketplace. Marxism is rooted in a liberal ontology that is in denial of essential properties. When you talk to Marxists, they typically view the choice of partners as an expression of individuality, a conscious choice, rather than an expression of an underlying biological will. In that regard, the idea that a subset of men is by nature marginalised is as alien to them as the idea that an ethnicity may be marginalised by nature due to a lower average IQ.

That's why I wouldn't bet on Marxists to address the issue of male loneliness; their model of reality is incomplete and therefore incapable of fully grasping the underlying issues.

>>28370573
No it isn't. Egalitarians believe in flattening the wealth distribution, but "for some reason" don't believe in flattening the sex distribution.

>>28371026
The West is collapsing but literally everyone else is on their coattails. China and Russia aren't going to supplant them.

>>28356994
>liver
I am a gentleman that's more into kid neys (uoooohhh)

>>28371994
>every single man is entitled to sex because they just are okay?

>>28372115
>I'm entitled to free health care, college, food, housing, cell phones, and data plans, funded by the fruits of your labor while I sit on my as all day because I just am okay?

>>28371994
>Everyone is entitled to sex, even the retards and mentally unwell

If the western world is going to shit, it's because of ideas like this breeding weakness and mental illness into the population

>>28371772
she just implied that every teamates are unproductive useless fuck tho, she doesn't even care about the ones that are not

>>28372279
I'm confused, are you saying that people are more entitled to sex than they are basic food, shelter, and education? shiiiiit dude...

>>28372307
A whore took chris' money. Chris' autismbux from the goverment, so yes it is objectively true that you are entitled to it.

>>28371772
A lot of people tell others on a daily basis that they should be improving themselves, but not because they care about them but because they intend to insult them. And I think people got the message: she's telling people they're losers, by telling them to stop being losers.

>>28372539
More than that, not merely the idea of sex, but the right to have a family, to procreate. You can't be entitled to one and not the other. If you're going to create a command economy that dictates the every waking moment of your subjects, then you can't claim to be for total equality without it. I'm assuming you're the anon touting marxism, so if not, disregard.

>>28372472
Nah, she implied the ones who would give a shit about her existing in the same realm as males are unproductive useless fucks, and frankly, she's right. If you're scared of the competition, you're weak. Maybe if you were able to make some cool art, music, or stream yourself, you could claw your way onto the same realm as her and actually stand a chance, because what she was really calling out was expecting a relationship with her when you have nothing substantial to offer. She has a house and a six figure salary, what are you bringing to the table?

>>28370315
considering china has to kidnap and traffic women from neighboring countries and russia literally invaded a neighboring country to kidnap hundreds of women and children "lonely males" are not a "western problem"

>>28371064
This is what a normalfag thinks and it's not at all backed up by the scientific literature. How did you get here?

Your perspective is birthed from the presumption that women are attracted to "the best men," but the only reason you think they're "the best men" is because women are attracted to them. This is a logical fallacy. If you and I were to take a moment to list out traits that we both agree are "good," I guarantee you those traits will either (a) be traits women don't find attractive or (b) be traits negatively correlated with fertility.

Also, the current culture around sex is not what always existed. There has been a growing trend of sex inequality over the past 20 years, it's getting worse and worse. Women are getting to the point where they'd prefer taking a gamble by sleeping with "top men" and then dying alone than marrying the average man.

>>28351257
I just realized Ame wanted to say ''Be productive and kill yourself''
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>28371994
>No it isn't. Egalitarians believe in flattening the wealth distribution, but "for some reason" don't believe in flattening the sex distribution.
anon distribution of wealth is related to "sex distribution" in practice, that's literally the world we live in today and part of the reason why things are the way they are. do you think the richest people actually have problems having sex? maybe they aren't having the exact kind sex they want, but that's a very difficult thing to quantify and simply buy with money. and women can't actually just "give" that to you nor can you even easily buy it no matter how hard you think you want it -- keeping in mind that the whole point of sex is that it is mutually enjoyable for both parties.

>>28372983
Based

>>28372307
If eugenics was the underlying purpose of being fine with large fractions of men having no opportunity to partake in the sexual marketplace it would be something that could be debated - but it's not a debate that people would want to have in the open. e.g. you could quantify certain traits, their heritability, their correlation with positive contributions to society and then correlate them with race.

I'm not certain whether you want to see the outcome of that. In that regard, I'd advise to not enter that sort of territory.

>>28351257
the funny thing about this is that she says this yet never fucking improves. never even tried to learn Japanese, never fucking tried to fix her sleep schedule despite always saying she would, never fulfilling and constantly forgetting about her fucking charity goals, never does any prep for streams beforehand. she has all of this 3D shit yet barely uses it to make content specifically for her fans, doesn't care about what her fans want and almost immediately cancels any creative project she starts that's supposed to be for them. Everything she does is because Ame wanted to no exceptions. still not reading a ton of the thread but a lot of you NEED to go back to /pol/ and /r9k/ this isnt the board to discuss your garbage

>>28367839
Seems a little late to start pulling back on male collabs after doing multiple literal hotel bed offcollabs. Why bother trying to ease up off the gas after that

>>28367315
HoloENs and EN management have never given me reliable vibes. Also RoBae case should tell you a lot.

>>28373047
Sort of, but only by proxy. The "sex distribution" is related to the "status distribution", which in most societies is directly tied to wealth. In hypothetical societies where wealth is totally, or nearly, equal, then status would be a proxy for some other factor.
Also, total amount of sex being had seems to be going down by everyone who's tried to measure it, and it appears to be independent of social class.

>>28367741
This is where you are DEAD WRONG. After pink cat annouced having bf, there are still many cucks paying for her comfy life

>>28371064
>it's your fault
'Fault' implies an accusation though. It's not like people have a choice in the matter. You wouldn't say it's a midget's 'fault' that he didn't make it in the NBA, or a retard's 'fault' that he didn't become an engineer. Also, it needs to be considered that this heavily depends on circumstance. e.g. the sexual marketplace having become more liberal due to contraception, religion not playing as much of a role, urban, densely populated living conditions and ultimately online dating. A sizeable fraction of the men who nowadays are unable to attract women could have been able to do so in past centuries. And whether it is sensible to maintain society in the fashion where that is the case can be debated - it's not like this is a force of nature. Society can be tailored to fit.

>>28373615
>After pink cat annouced having bf, there are still many cucks paying for her comfy life
Maybe, but for how long? And how many more would she have without that bf?

im just here to keep peddling the schizoposting

how is ame productive? all she does is commission others, what skills does she actually have?

>>28374182
the same skill every woman has, swiping credit cards.

>>28374332
and opening their legs

>>28374027
>j-just pretend that she is not doing well!

>WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS SEXUAL MARKETPLACE WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS I'M HORNY AND LONELY WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS MEN'S RIGHTS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS MUH ECONOMY WORDS WORDS WORDS
Holy shit shut up

>>28374332
Can't forget the other one, telling people what to do

>>28374409
If she's fine I guess that's good for her, but most vtubers both in Japan and in the west realise that it's better for growth if men are under the impression that they could be dating you. And that's not going to change because most men aren't interested in paying a girl that is explicit about the fact that she's fucking some other dude.

>>28372115
>every single man is entitled to money because they just are okay?
???

>>28372307
No, the Western world is going to shit because we're in the winter of civilization. Civilizations go in cycles and we're in the decline.

Smart people tend to have fewer kids than dumb people. Dumb people need to have more kids because their kids are less likely to survive to adulthood to have kids of their own. When smart people begin having more kids than dumb people, this is how civilization advances. Civilization declines when this goes in reverse. For the modern West, it started going in reverse in the early 19th century, and 19th century academics actually noticed it and wrote about it. Darwin's second major book was called "The Descent of Man." Smart people demographically replace dumb people, but the thing about smart people is they can pass their good ideas onto others. So, smart people pass whatever ideas or technology they've developed to keep their children alive down to the dumb people. This creates an era of comfort, where people start to become disillusioned with life, they lose religion and they stop seeing their neighbor as kin, and start sympathizing/romanticizing foreigners (who are dumber, but more ambitious). Fertility drops, but it hits the smart people first. The dumb people's kids are well-fed and well-medicated, they aren't going to die, but the dumb people keep behaving with that evolutionary strategy of having lots of kids. They lag behind the smart people's comfortable disillusionment. This causes them to outbreed them. So, civilization collapses. People become less intelligent, they invite barbarians through the gates which makes things worse, and eventually authoritarians and a new religion take over to try and fix everything, but they won't because they don't even really understand the problem to begin with. We're entering that phase now. It might take another 200 years, but eventually, we're not going to know how to competently keep electricity running or mass produce food.

>>28374182
none, she has slightly lazy and barely does shit she's lucky as fuck she got accepted into hololive and gets lauded as a genius for using their money to pay the same few people to do shit and doing shitty VR that indies including her have been doing forever and doing much better. gets fucking hand holded by the vr chat team and you know it. if EN had a girl that was more tech competent than her or if Cover actually did their job she wouldnt even have that she'd be fucking happy about it because she would have even less to do.

>>28374795
idk where has slightly came from tbdesu

>>28374456
Good, this is the thread the dumbass OP deserves, mission accomplished

>>28352663
>don't collab with males
So it boils down to this? she's not your gf.

>>28374667
Whatever you say, it seems like it didn't affected her. Maybe only the ones that focus parasocial relationships get fucked when they can't keep up the lie.

>>28374702
You think people are entitled to government mandated sex but not universal basic income needed to actually survive?

>>28374456
>t. I'm not intelligent enough for nuanced discussion and genuinely believe spamming "WORDS" is arguing on an equal playing field.

>>28375157
i fuk ur mom

>>28375157
not him but take this to fucking /pol/ or /r9k/ you have actual shit you're mad at Ame or cover or whatever about that's on topic, downfall of western civilization shit isnt

>>28375120
No you dumb fuck, both ideas are absurd for the same reasons, but there is at least reason to societally scorn the ideas that led to the current distribution of sexual activity, in the same way that its a good idea to make sure that the bottom rung of society aren't completely destitute so they don't commit as many crimes.

>>28374456
/pol/ are out there trying to blame "marxism" for their permavirginity. It's kinda hilariously stupid.
It's essentially like the old memes about "while you were going on dates I was studying the blade" except instead of the blade they were on forums reading on how women don't want them.

>>28375733
Communists can't get laid anyway so what's your point

>>28375702
*malepregs you*
There's your sexual activity you're entitled to, now improve as a person.

>>28373047
Kids in school don't have money and people hardly think about who's poor or rich, and if they do, what they're actually thinking about is whose PARENTS are poor or rich. Is sex equally distributed in high school? No it isn't. In high school, boys with an IQ between 70 and 85 have the most sex, and they have it with average IQ women, not fellow borderline retarded women. If you equalize wealth in adults, you're not going to equalize sex, you're actually going to make things worse because at least now money forces women to ever-so-slightly select for intelligence by proxy.
>keeping in mind that the whole point of sex is that it is mutually enjoyable for both parties
Men will fuck anything and women are happy if they have a baby. Sex is fun, but what's actually important is reproduction. We spend so much time and money trying to keep people alive. Cops and fire fighters will put their lives on the line to save you, doctors and scientists will crack their heads open trying to cure you, engineers and entrepreneurs are always looking for a way to help you get on with life - why don't any of them care about preserving your genotype? They care a lot about preserving YOU. But just this you. This one lifespan. Once you die, that's it, they don't want you anymore.

How is that "communal?" A "communal" person should want to preserve the genes of all their kin. They shouldn't want anyone to be left out of the gene pool. If they die without children, then what was the point of keeping them alive in the first place? Just fast forward a generation and they're fucking gone for good.

A free market for sex is support for eugenics. You let women give their reproductive abilities to a small class of men while every other man suffers. Money is a meme. What matters is genes and you're letting them be taken by the 1%.

>>28374702
I don't think this is just tied to to comfort though. In most countries, the upper class is as fertile as the lower class. It is mostly the middle class that is infertile. And I would argue that this is - at least in modernity - tied to female hypergamy. Women are by nature the pickier sex, and there is ample evidence that this is the case. Equal access to education in addition to a lower variability in normally distributed traits results in women being the perfect midwits, reasonably conscientious, agreeable, etc. - resulting in greater success in getting education. But education being tied to social status results in them significantly reducing their choice in potential partners when it comes to their natural tendency to mate upwards the social ladder. In addition to that urban living conditions and the liberalisation of society, where religiously forced monogamy is no longer practised, as well as online dating, give women practically access to an infinite dating pool of high profile men. Contraception, which most middle class women are capable of, takes care of accidents, making it a more conscious choice of whose children women are going to bear. But their natural tendency to choose the best of the best together with the agony of infinite choice, leaves them in a permanent state of FOMO, where they'll serially date the best men that are available to them but never settle, because even if they're dating Chad, an even bigger Chad could pop up on their phones the next day. When their biological clock wakes them as they enter their 30s, they'll settle for whoever is available, trying to have a child or two, but for many it's too late at that point.
Ultimately, what we see is not the type of downfall that is comparable to past empires, as it is - at least in my perspective - heavily tied to modern technology and an evolutionary mismatch with regard to the conditions humans have evolved to live in and the conditions they're living in.

>>28375967
I'm not entitled to any sex anymore than you are entitled to a cut of my salary, you illiterate, but accepting or outright glorifying sexual practices that have a negative impact on society is a really fucking bad idea. You want to complain about "incels" and worry about them snapping and shooting up a park or something? Guess what, your fucking fault.

>>28351257
TLDR:

Holy shit take your guys pseudo-sociology ted talk somewhere else, none of yall niggas gonna fuck her.
But get fucked in particular paypigs

>>28375733
Who blamed Marxism here?

I addressed Marxism here >>28371806 and it has nothing to do with the fact that many men have a hard time getting laid these days. I just said that Marxism is not going to help you, since Marxist ideology is in denial that such a thing as a sexual marketplace even exists.

>>28372781
I can't believe she is the same as roasties calling weeb loser on twatter bros...

>>28375120
Sex is how you survive beyond this one life.

Also, it probably doesn't need to be pointed out, but no one is incapable of surviving in the modern West. The average standard of living goes way, way beyond "surviving" and the wealthy are extremely generous with giving handouts to the very few people too dumb to live. What I don't understand is why you think it's okay for those competent people to have their money stolen and given to the people too dumb to live, but don't think the same is true for reproduction.

>>28376640
WTFFFF!?!!?!??!

>>28376700
>billionaires running the government and growing wealth inequality and wagesalvery are good and the real issue here is we aren't giving men enough sex

>>28376967
>wealthy people can hoard their money but chad can't hoard sex because he just can't okay?

>>28376367
wow cool I got one to respond to me
other anons this is what an online predator looks like

>>28377131
>>28377262
No one is saying that. Stop women from being whores and men will get all the sex they need as a consequence.

>>28377634
>Stop women from being whores
How would one do that?

>>28367238
Had a hearty kek at this one

>>28377634
>stop women from having many sexual partners and then more men will have sex okay?

>>28376640
>In most countries, the upper class is as fertile as the lower class
I haven't seen data to suggest that. I have seen data on years of education, though, and it is linear.

>>28377262
I never said that. You're the one whose ideology has a double standard in it, not me.

>>28376799
>takes advantage of incel paypigs
>now wants them to disappear
many such cases

>>28377543
I don't see you address the given arguments. He has a valid point.

>>28377749
The same way people always did, guilt and shame.
>>28377811
Yes

>>28377933
Your point starts with "retards have sex in high school" why the fuck would anyone with a brain respond seriously to that.

>>28377915
>I haven't seen data to suggest that. I have seen data on years of education, though, and it is linear.
I saw Ed Dutton talk about it. While he may be regarded a questionable character in some circles he usually cites solid data.

I don't think if you just go by years of education that you'll end up finding the upper class. The upper class might undergo more years of education than the average, but I'd say education is actually more of a middle- or perhaps upper middle class thing, with the highest degrees in particular being more representative of the upper middle class than the upper class.

In any case, I believe that people who tend to have many children are conservative upper class people in particular. They are just as - if not more - fertile than lower class people. It is mostly the middle class that is infertile. And if you ask me, it's rooted in female hypergamy. Although I can only make an argument of reason here rather than substantiate with data; and I believe a lot of people (e.g. Jordan Peterson) are missing this perspective in their analysis, being too focussed on the economic side of things rather than considering female choice.

What the fuck is this thread.

>>28378032
>The same way people always did, guilt and shame.
This is a collective property. How are you going to get a collective to act that way? In particular when 50% of your collective consists of women who may have an interest in not being guilt tripped and shamed.

>>28378657
tldr is: Society is collapsing because I can't get any pussy

>>28378069
I didn't make that post, but I think the form is less relevant than the content. If the word retards bothers you so much, replace it with "mentally challenged" or whatever in your mind.

>>28377917
Women don't like incels (obviously, that's why they're incels), so once they think they can survive financially without them, they dump them. Until then, they're fine with manipulating them. The reality is, if this concerns you, then you shouldn't watch vtubers at all, because I'm describing literally 100% of women. Even the geekiest, fattest, ugliest, biggest outcast among women is a normalfag compared to their gachikoi.

Growing myself by subbing to the new superior Ame who does GFE better than anyone

>>28378657
the horseshoe is absolutely real

>>28378686
>How are you going to get a collective to act that way?
By convincing them that not acting that way is better? Are you so entrenched into marxism that you cannot fathom people doing something that is not ordered by the commissar on pain of death?
>In particular when 50% of your collective consists of women who may have an interest in not being guilt tripped and shamed.
There are already women who guilt and shame other women who act like this, we just need more of them.

>>28372831
>She has a house and a six figure salary, what are you bringing to the table?
>you have to be a gigachad to date a mid girl
it's over

>>28372934
Men can be attracted to women lower than their standard easily and take her home as his wife, but women can't. Equal wealth distribution between men and women only make expectation at men from women become higher. Human life become longer also a problem, more than 40% of total wealth is owned by people in their 60s or more. That mean less resource for people in reproductive age to gain from working.

>>28378990
>By convincing them that not acting that way is better?
That's a fairly naive position because you're acting against their instinct. Women 'feel' that they're doing the right thing. The reason they sleep with the men they're sleeping with is because they are 'genuinely' attracted to them.

You think reasonable arguments have more weight than that? I wonder who the Marxist is here, if you believe reason to hold that much weight that it could supersede the instinct.

>There are already women who guilt and shame other women who act like this, we just need more of them.
They do so to make themselves appear more attractive to the men they want; not due to genuine beliefs.

reading this thread is like looking through the window of a mental hospital

>>28378802
It's funny because it is an expression of truth. We do see a crisis of childbirths among the middle class of most societies past a certain level of development. In that regard, society is collapsing, since the middle class is what keeps society afloat.

>>28378069
I made that post, not him. I didn't bother responding to you because you're a retard.
>Your point starts with "retards have sex in high school"
The most sexually successful teenage boys have an IQ between 70 and 85, while for women it's 85-110. This was found in a study on teenagers and sex. Personally, I don't see why this is so hard for you to believe, since I know for a fact that when you went to high school, the most popular boys were dumb jocks and skaters and SPEDs. No one was sleeping with nerds.

>>28378589
I'm also citing him. Or rather, I'm citing Richard Lynn, who he cites in his book At Our Wits' End. But you're right, education is not the same as class.

>>28379328
>The reason they sleep with the men they're sleeping with is because they are 'genuinely' attracted to them.
And you have the stones to call /me/ naive
>They do so to make themselves appear more attractive to the men they want; not due to genuine beliefs.
Sure, and certainly not because they find them a threat to their way of life. That girl who'll sleep with a dozen men in a day won't ever come for your husband, right?

>>28378802
Other way around, dipshit

>>28379544
>why exploit middle class?
If you exploit rich people, they will kick you out of power
If you exploit poor people, they will riot since they have nothing else to lose
If you exploit middle class, even to the point they can't breed anymore, they still take it in the ass

>>28379173
>but women can't
They did, for hundreds of years.

So the argument has basically become

>I'd like it if the hobby stayed true to what its intended purpose was instead of completely inverting itself into the thing I was trying to get away from
>HOLY SHIT SHUT UP INCEL GO HAVE SEX, TOUCH GRASS, AND EDUCATE YOURSELF! WOMEN FOLLOWING RULES IS BAD!

Is that about correct?

>>28379812
What? You believe in fairy tales about princess marrying average Joe?

>>28354717
>>28354626
all useless

>>28380105
A 4/10 women expects nothing less than a 9/10 man. A woman marring on her level is definitionaly marrying below her standard.

>>28380014
>I'd like it if the hobby stayed true to what its intended purpose was instead of completely inverting itself into the thing I was trying to get away from
maybe if you ignore that most female chuubas do collab with males yes.

>>28379636
>And you have the stones to call /me/ naive
Yes, I do. Why do you think women sleep with anyone? Of course they are attracted to them.

>Sure, and certainly not because they find them a threat to their way of life. That girl who'll sleep with a dozen men in a day won't ever come for your husband, right?
That might play a part, but I'm not convinced that it's the most important aspect. Women are very instinct driven creatures; ideology is something they'll eagerly change depending on their social circles, because that is how they function.

>>28380203
>doesn't count
pathetic

>>28380014
Yup, were the bad guys for wanting to enjoy our niche hobby the way it was. We're the villain in this story, the evil incels who just wanted to watch cute girls do cute things without the intrusion of outside bullshit.

I just wanted to watch cute girls play games and sing songs, to forget about shit for a few hours and lean into a fantasy. But you can't have shit anymore. Why can't there just be certain places for certain people, the homogenization of everything just ruins it in the end. Fuck this man, I thought Japanese idolshit would be far away from western twittertards ruining it. What haven't these fuckers ruined yet. I can't have a single hobby that isn't eventually ruined by these fuckers. I hate it here.

>>28378802
I'm one of the people you're making fun of, but I wouldn't have gotten laid at any point in civilization.

>>28380105
Fairy tales? We're talking about just a few decades ago. Mediocre women used to be more accepting of mediocre men. The 1960s saw an end to that.

>>28380356
what is pathetic is ame enabling management to be that lazy

>>28380270
>Of course they are attracted to them.
They are attracted to the status of being associated with them. You are operating on the false, marxist, pretense that the male and female experiences are the same, and that's laughable.
>Women are very instinct driven creatures; ideology is something they'll eagerly change depending on their social circles, because that is how they function.
Correct, which is why social functions like guilting and shaming are so important to maintaining societal coehision.

>>28380263
VShojo et. al. need not apply

>>28379789
I don't think economics is the decisive factor here. To focus so much on the economic side is the same mistake that people like Peterson make, thinking it were a focus on career that keeps women from having children. To a tiny subset of very conscientious women that might be case, but for the majority it isn't. And even if you look at Germany, the Netherlands or Scandinavian countries, you'll find a low fertility among the middle class - despite a lot of effort being made to ease the economic burden. And it's not like having children typically correlates with being economically stable, it typically correlates with women approaching the limit of their fertility, convincing me that this is much more instinct driven than a matter of rationality.

I made my point in >>28376640 and I believe hypergamy to be the primary root of childlessness among the middle class.

>>28364758
>>28365157
>>28365271
where do you faggots think you are

>>28353553
>If any EN say that they'll get cancelled or whatever by the twitter/reddit fags that DEMAND them to collab with holostars just because
lol that never happened nor will happen

>>28380483
>just don't do it bro
kek

>>28380451
I was glad that HoloEN sort of bucked the trend but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It was only a matter of time before western women did what western women always do.

At least HoloID is still pretty true to form. I guess that's where I'll watch now since western women seem incapable of getting into a hobby without ruining it over narcissism.

>>28380861
what's wrong with that? she went out of her way to bootlick management's ass

>>28380507
>VShojo
I'm pretty sure the top niji female livers do as well. and so does the hololive ID girls, baelz, fubuki and matsuri
>marxist, pretense
vtubers?

>>28380984
>WHY WASN'T SHE LAZY AND DID NOTHING REEEE
kek

>>28381173
I don't know where you are getting at, no one called her lazy

>>28380507
>They are attracted to the status of being associated with them.
Whatever specific they are attracted to, they are attracted.

>You are operating on the false, marxist, pretense that the male and female experiences are the same, and that's laughable.
Utter nonsense.

I consider women to be completely instinct driven in their partner choice. And I believe those instincts to have developed in primordial times, which is why they are an evolutionary mismatch with regard to modern conditions.
My perspective is biologically essentialist and if you knew anything about Marxism you would be aware that this is completely antithetical to anything a Marxist believes.

>Correct, which is why social functions like guilting and shaming are so important to maintaining societal coehision.
The point is that these are generated properties that rely on essential, societal bonds. Religion has weight if enough people believe in it. If only you believe in it, most people would regard it a superstition. In the same sense guilt is only felt if it resonates within the collective idea of what is good behaviour. And I don't think the liberal Zeitgeist embodies the right attitude for that because you have too many women in prominent positions and too many men who face so much hardship of getting laid that they'd be deathly afraid of lowering their sexual market value by taking a conservative stance on questions that are detrimental to the collective sexual interest of women. The latter is of course a false assumption that women tied a man's sexual market value to his beliefs - but the average simp is under the impression he had to say things women approve of to get laid - and women are eager to maintain that illusion.

That is why I believe what you propose is not a solution.

>>28381270
>no one called her lazy
first day in the board?

>>28379616
>I'm also citing him. Or rather, I'm citing Richard Lynn, who he cites in his book At Our Wits' End. But you're right, education is not the same as class.
I'm fairly certain one of Dutton's big talking points is that the religious will inherit the earth, since it is religious elites that are having most of the children among the upper classes who will thus displace the current liberal elites.

But as I said - I'm not so much focussing on these future demographics but rather on trying to find an explanation why the current middle classes aren't having children - even in countries that put a lot of effort to ease the economic burden. And I find female hypergamy to be the most plausible explanation for that.

>>28380563
>Germany
Free education, but their middle class taxes ain't cheap. Yup still being exploited

>>28366785
>>28375066
>>28353158
>>28353068
you need to go back

>>28354315
>>neoliberal capitalism empowers women and shits on incels
in what world do you live because certainly not in this one. where do we have neoliberal capitalism? cause certainly not in the western world. stop uisng words which you do not understand just because they sound cool to you.

>>28352663
>>28381648
go back

>>28353418
>>can't actually address any point
>what is >>28364412

holy shit the mald in this thread
she's annoyed with you permaNEET virgins and your weird undeserved delusion-fueled arrogance over the most mundane shit on the internet

>>28381692
where?

>>28380563
Ya haven't read about the fall of Rome eh? History tend to repeat itself

>>28381738
>what is >>28364412
a big fat cope since she did in fact setup the "EN studio" for kiara's birthday and did coordinate mori's 3D concert

Were you people not here during Oct 2020?
You were all OK with that but potential collabs with colleagues in the same company is where you draw the line?
admit it, you're all just drama tourists and falseflaggers

>>28381920
see >>28380483

>>28380873
>incapable of getting into a hobby without ruining it over narcissism.
so exactly like /vt/?

>>28382022
see >>28380861

>>28381379
no, on the other hand it seems like it is for you

>>28382059
see >>28380483

>>28381584
>the religious will inherit the earth, since it is religious elites that are having most of the children among the upper classes
Yes, that's correct, but that doesn't contradict anything I said. They're having the most kids - within that class. They're still being outbred by dumb people. Intelligence is still in free fall.

>>28382112
>no
X

>>28381622
>Free education, but their middle class taxes ain't cheap. Yup still being exploited
Germany actually puts a lot of effort into easing the burden of having children. You'll get money from the state, your company is forced to make sure you can continue working in your job after you're done with the whole pregnancy thing (or taking some time off afterwards), you get access to daycare, ... - having children in Germany can in fact be a lucrative business as many lower class Germans, in particular of the immigrant kind, will be able to tell you. The economic side of things does not explain why middle class Germans aren't having children. Especially given the fact that they do have children - regardless of their economic situation - as soon as women start hitting the wall. So it's not just a rational choice but psychology plays a big part. And I find hypergamy to be the most rational explanation of that. The women are simply unwilling to settle with their partners because the conditions of living in a modern, western society keeps them under the permanent impression that they could do better. And since they're reasonably conscientious and intelligent they're capable of managing their birth control well enough to avoid accidents.

>>28381325
>I consider women to be completely instinct driven in their partner choice
Of course they are, and so are men.
>My perspective is biologically essentialist and if you knew anything about Marxism you would be aware that this is completely antithetical to anything a Marxist believes.
I was referring to your claim that women sleep with men because they are attracted to the person and not the status, assuming you were coming from the perspective that men sleep with women because they are attracted to the actual person, based on the neo-marxist notion that men and women are indistinguishable. I'll agree that your ideas about instincts are incompatible, though.

>Religion has weight if enough people believe in it. If only you believe in it
Doesn't need to be religious. No religion forbids eating the meat of dogs, cats, or horses, and yet, most people would shrink back in horror if you told them you did so.
>And I don't think the liberal Zeitgeist embodies the right attitude
Of course it doesn't, which is why its the problem. Its not immutable, however. It was not here to begin with, and it can just as well be undone.

>>28380873
>At least HoloID is still pretty true to form
you need to make your bait more subtle

>>28382205
sorry that your strawman doesn't conform to reality

>>28382025
i mean we are probably majority women right now
the /VT/-sister meme is reality

>>28362480
I've seen what pussy does to a nigga and it's much worse

>>28382437
>strawman