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>Clothing
What does the average Joe wear daily? Any formal dress impacted by tradition/culture? Is fashion being split by class or regional differences? Climate or other fantastical wackery making certain attire a necessity? Paint us a clearer picture of who you'll see walking through the streets!
>Food
What crops do your people grow for consumption? What about the food you import, and from where? Do you have unique delicacies? What are the common snacks or meals for the working class, or the rich and powerful? Any food reserved for ritual purposes? How about etiquette when eating? Any special practices during mealtime?
>Entertainment
What kinds of entertainment is popular for your people? How important are they seen as part of life? Do different class people have sufficiently different tastes? How much do the chuuba gods play a role in these entertainments?
>Religion
What religious rituals does your nation have to worship its deities? What's the religious structure look like? What's the official stance on other faiths?
>Alcohol and Drink
what do your people drink and what's is it made from? what sort of culture is there around drinking in your split?
>Development
What are your nation's current goals now? What are you trying to aim for in your development? Would said development make your people happy?
>Funeral Rites
How do your people observe the death of one of their own? What kind of ceremonies are held? How are their belongings handled?
>Music
What kind of musical instruments/music does your nation make/use?
>Name
Does your thread's nation have any naming conventions? What are people named, and why? Do names have meaning? Do people have surnames, and how are those derived?
>Politics
How does the balance of power look in your nation? who are the ruling/most powerful class? Who are they competing with?
>Superstition/Folklore
What sort of superstitions/folklore do your nation's people have, as in, are there things that the people believe in or things they think they know to be real that are not real on a meta level? What are omens of good or bad fortune? What mythical monsters lurk in the forests, or in the depths of the sea? Do some foods or materials have to be prepared in a certain way before they are seen as fit to use?
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Post your maps here so we can see them and talk about them

>I see. And I understand that naval power is MASSIVE for you. In fact your entire nation seems to be around navy that you dont have shit for an army correct? Let your squirrel senpai offer a few more fun ideas eh?
Our army is controlled by feudal lords, no need it won't work.
>Okay the first few factors (and their related ones) can still limit how effective your shells can be. And it is technically balanced by some other nations having naval shells. We still won't have dahlgren guns for quite awhile
Chuubanite solves that because of Ange Katrina being a chemist. no dahlgrens but Canon Paixhans

>>28351709 me
i am only going to do this if it hydrophone is allowed. i will allow many errors otherwise as comes with experiments.

Have we established enough lore to begin thinking about potential war? How would the mechanics play out if we ever did wage war against one another?

>>28351921
PPsenpai makes war on his own nations all the time… i think with army and navy you can

>>28351921
I think it would probably start out with a written account of the declarations and what led to them, then major and minor battles to start it off. It would be nice if we had it so that both sides have to write a few winning and losing battles but ultimately it would probably be put up to a vote as to who won if there was some major contention.

>>28352083
Would you have to roll dice or something like a board game???

>>28351497
>>28351497
Lets just name the seas and oceans after variations of cum
Semen, spunk, jizz, batter, milk, coom, sploodge
Now Im hungry

>>28352194
Risuners pls

>>28352194
Risu will mean Tiny PP in slang then.

>>28352191
Probably not but I was working on a tabletop system where the mechanics of a large scale battle/war were up in the air.

>>28352083
Couldnt you just ask PPanon to literally write your way to victory for a price?

>>28352194
*malepregs your balls*

>>28352417
Thats what confuses me, ppsenpai’s whole saga shows how complex things are.

>>28352269
Ywn get to squish your Risuner wife(male)'s soft snol dick

>>28352554
yep, dice rolls for the results of battles wouldn't quite cut it. I think the best thing would be to just have it be an open and collaborative effort between the two generals.

>>28352723
Accept it so soon?!! Gross dépravé

I'm so close to finishing an over 2000 words Rentry, but I the closer I am to finishing it, the harder it is to work on it...

>>28336906
/nasa/ rep here; now soon to be homeless Sanalite. I'm 5' 11"

>>28352841
We need to have wars of succession like this period irl!!! Too much peace

>>28352841
i advocated from the beginning to just have the two sides world-build advantages against each other. when it was /meat/ vs /morig/ on boats we just started working out how our navy would respond to situations and new metas etc. and it was perfectly fine as far as i can tell.

>>28351921
Is hugging a Sapling friend squeebing?

If two generals have a coop project, I believe its in the best interests of all for panon to supervise it unironically and give advice

>>28353164
If uuu invaded who for example, it would require much more thought than reactions

>>28353088
Look at these silly monarchist fighting amongst themselves. A republic is the superior system, you see. We just yell angrily at each other in big rooms and complain about other people in newspapers.

>>28353229
We don't need a dedicated anon for it. Everyone can see what's written and give advice/criticism to it.

>>28352244
This wasnt even me kek.
>>28353170
i hope not I fucking love saplings so much and I think they caught on with me constantly posting my desires in the i miss fauna threads.

>>28353402
But I would take his word over most here because he has so much experience and knowledge that would be invaluable for it. Thats just me.

>>28353332
Just have no government and do whatever the fuck you want. We have the best MAGICS! and the best economy. Inflation doesn't exist in /risu/ so no greedy capitalists. And our money grows on fucking trees. Risuners cant stop winning.

>>28353426
Lets lewd the /meat/heads instead

>>28353170
No

I will say i would need ppsenpai so much for wars because he has blown my mind by showing how things work. I had no clue “operation manveuring” was so important…

>>28353310
all that thought would be included. only if they are truly equal in every way, or when they refuse to listen to any kind of reason would i suggest anything else. if anything else is necessary, i advise against any singular method to decide the winner, both sides should come to an agreement of at least one arbitration system, such as, for example, a game, and before you say anything, no, it doesn't have to be that one game /nasfaqg/ obsesses over, but it can be if and only if both sides agree and if they can't, then it's relegated to some chance based system. pomerlane would probably be op with the above worldbuilding suggestion, so please consider helping develop other people's navy, army, etc, pomerlane anon, ty.

>>28353541
that is a dangerous game, but you're welcome to play it.

>War Results are decided by a general wide series of Battlefield 4 matches

>>28353544
I'll miss Sapling friends too.

>>28353426
Since the directive is up in the air you may get to exchange nuts with Sanalites after all.

>>28353544
SAPLING HI SWEETIE HOW ARE YOU I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS SO PREPARE YOUR ASS (not for my cock for once)

How would the druids react to Hamdani sending scouts in your forests?
How much tolerance would there be for risuner squeebing your people? Hamdani just might turn into an underground sex cartel in a way.
Would you accept our nuts (not the sex kind) as payment for stuff?
Would you have some kind of open shops?
Do you guys have any infrastructure of any kind at all?
May i kiss you precious cheeks?
IMPORTANT!-Do you have some sort of hierarchy or someone in charge for Hamdani to meet?
What kind of fruits, veggies, other natural goodies you got in that forest of yours?

I'm sorry I know this is a lot of questions but I REALLY WANNA KNOW THIS SHIT because I wanna continue Hamdani's story. She is there to get whatever MAGIC power to enhance risuners forest and she knows you got some sort of insane magic power in there so that's what she is truly after.

>>28354005
GIVE ME YOUR FAT FUCKING COCK SPACEMEN!

>>28353914
More like holdfast for the time period we are in

>>28354100
Empire Total War.

Hey OGsuner. Guess what, you might have been to rose first but we are there all the time now. How does getting NTRD feel???

>>28354095
In due time. You need to be patient.

>>28353795
/nasfaqg/ only accepts arbitration with Mahjong.

>>28354231
Empire can do too. Especially since it technically have steam warships even though it is anachronistic. But Holdfast is more fun. Imagine the proximity voice chat

>>28354539
/nasfaqg/ can do that if their opponent accepts.

>>28354590
Vs. campaign on Napoleon would actually work better i think

>>28354590
>"YOU FUCKING TREE NIGGER"

>>28354655
I meant, /nasfaqg/ will only /accept/ arbitration done in this way, when we are on the receiving end.

>>28354367
There are rosebutas and rolis in /risu/ right now. So it feels great to have SEX with them. Enjoy your sloppy seconds. If you really want risuner cum that bad come get it from the source.

>>28354921
We dont want sex pervert. You talk a lot about sex for someone who never gets any… heh

>>28355016
>she lacks the critical information
I dont get as much as rose sexpai does but if you really want to know I guess I can tell you. But then again this is a WORLD BUILDING THREAD BTW so talk about boats and metal armor. Kek

>>28354745
sure, if your opponent is ok with it.

>>28355107
sure your exploits with your pillow are fantastic kek. You need to go to horny jail or something. But yes, worldbuilding. Where is ppsenpai and did we make him mad??!?

Alice taking the piss out of risuners will never get old

>This kusogaki...

>>28355336
she don't know about my cousin kek

Goddammit not this Alabama shit again

>>28355837
What your dream about having sex with your fat cousin? You whipped it out for her one day out of desperation and She looked at your pp and laughed “so smol”. Anyways, enough about you. WHERE IS ROSESENPAI AND PPSENPAI???

When you're back online cunt I need to ask how does Charlie die?

>OGsuner in shambles

jesas...

>>28356193
nah im good. actually desu it was fun at first but shes just getting a bit annoying now so ill just ignore her and write some shit. And honestly I know whats true so I have to need to prove it to some random 4chan loli. Actually speaking of people that are missing where the fuck is retrobro? And sapling are you still here?

>>28356475
>actually in shambles
Bro…

goddammit risuner drink a glass of water or somethin.
She's getting more powerful from this.

he wants to bant, ill bant back. I do it with ppsenpai but he is too sweet to roast and doesnt get so caught up in it. Maybe i will anyways… either way sorry to ogsuner if i did hurt his feelings.

>>28355107
That reminds me. I saw in a museum yesterday an armor set of pacific origin. It's made with palm tree fibers and shark teeth. Maybe Risuners traditionally wear something similar and today their armor ranges from pure woven armor and a mix of metal and woven ones

waranon doko?

>>28356995
oh right
HOES MAD x26

Alright, two hours of touching grass and cornering like a maniac on backroads. We settle that naval bullshit yet? I see Alice is trolling ogsuner hard. Nice.

>>28357212
SENPAI WHY ARE YOU BEING DANGEROUS???

>>28357345
Why are you being a little whore? I like to push my car to its limits.

>>28357539
Thats the only thing you can push to its limit right? Bet you cant even that hard.

>>28357662
>literally writing like me in reply.
I saw you post about messing with me so I will mess with you instead. Why you giving my bro a rough time Alice? He was being nice to you and you are making fun of him. Thats not very lady like nor Catholic of you. I should use soap to clean your filthy mouth out.

Anyways, thats all i am saying ERP wise. Whats up gentlemen of the world?

>>28358063
….you cut deep.

>>28351248
Finally finished a Rentry for a major /nasfaqg/ megacorporation, Tripoint Co-operative.

https://rentry.org/tripoint-cooperative

I'm looking forward to feedback. While I know it seems like a lot, /nasfaqg/ companies are essentially states in and of itself, and only a select few of them will be represented in /vtwbg/ I presume. I wanted to go for the 'megaconglomerate' style/vibe, in the true /nasfaqg/ fashion. It is based off two companies existing within NASFAQ.

>>28358357
...Forgot the logo due to wrestling with the spam-flagging. Gomen.

glass cannons, everywhere

>>28358548
She is only one to me.

>>28358721
Actually… was you catching me writing like you… not on purpose…

Moving forward, whats this about me be a supervisor for war And me helping others with their armies and navies? Ive already done the latter, my services are always avaliable.

>>28359557
Cunt's going to handle /nasa/'s last stand. You can ask him if he needs your services.

>>28359557
some general speculation as to how wars would be disputed since WAR is very fun to make lore about but hard to approximate who might beat who in any given conflict, especially when some of the most well known wars involve the under dog that nobody expected to win, winning based on a factor that didn't get calculated.
I think it was agreed that we would go to you for advice and then just make a bunch of stories set in different battles.

>>28360209
Where is that bugger? And did OGsuner just die?

>>28360234
If it were to happen, I would like each side to try not to meta and i would debrief them and give minor advice. I would hope that from reading my works, they would understand that winning has as much to do with maneuvering your army as it does winning battles. I could probably help sim the battles mentally if provided details.

>>28358357
can i fuck around with the conlang for nasfaqg still? because i know that making a language utterly unlike anything in the west kinda fucks with lore made in, you know, plain english

>>28360490
You absolutely can. I tried to utilize the conlang for company names, although some company names have straight-up English names due to being founded outside of /nasfaqg/.

>>28360252
Cunt's at work. He'll be back on in an hour or two around this time.

>>28360490
I also hope that you appreciate the reference in the "Ka-ti Institute".

>>28360252
Alice murdered OGsuner in cold blood.

>>28360849
he gets too horny… had to bonk him extra hard

>>28360964
You need to be bonked to, just because i like to bonk you.
>>28360784
Ah, well we will see if these old bones hold up that long. Had too much fun on the edge.

Since I'll be gone when I finish my writing projects I'll tell you why I go to church. My mom is old and dying. She can barely move with arthritis. She's a tobacoholic who's literally smoking herself to death. She helped put down a down payment on this house. So she's gotten herself free boarding here. She was taking care of the grandchildren out of town. Then my sister killed herself. Then the brother-in-law kicked her out under threat of police. I try to carry her to church when I can when she feels up to it because she likes going. We bought a wheelchair for her. So now she doesn't have to walk on her arthritis flare ups. On one hand I'm unemployed. On the other hand my job is to take care of mom.

>>28361441
wow that's pretty fucked up

>>28361441
Nothing wrong with it. I am Catholic (in the process of becoming one) myself. I love what God has given me in life.

>>28361441
Ill pray for you…

>>28360816
>>28360606
>spoiler
i did! are you also the one who made an effort to create a new sentence when i first made the language? i've never seen anyone else interested enough in conlangs to not only attempt this immediately but get it grammatically correct, i don't remember if i voiced how impressed i was to that guy
also i kind of expected there to be some words that brake the syllable structure of kat nol, that's just gonna happen with moriji and holoimperial, holoimperial is supposed to explain the presence of english words, since i made a lot of prefixes and etymology fit just right to create synonyms to real vernacular. what i'm saying is: go nuts with english, i can work it out in-world myself

im fine you fucks. Did nobody see when I said i would just write shit?

Yeah… i get why panon and sanarep believe what they do. I respect it a lot

>>28361510
>>28361591
>>28361707
I was raised Mormon but I'm leaning towards gnosticism. I think I just need to read the bible for myself again and come to my own conclusions. Also I've had bad memories of a corrupt bishop's family ruining my middle school life. That's why I tend to avoid church. But I'll go with mom. Our other family's there.

>>28361806
I'm not that person, that might be Clocks.
I haven't utilized Moriji at all here, might be a wise idea, especially for the businesses headquartered in Oppia.

By the way, if you have any recommendations on incorporating more Kat Nol into the Rentry, please tell me. I think you making a conlang for /nasfaqg/ was the coolest thing.

>>28362044
Raised methodist myself but I tend towards old church stuff. Rather be Eastern Orthodox but no churches in my area. Gnosticism is a trap, ill be real with you. I will biasedly say look to orthodoxy
t. Minored in Theology in College

>>28351248

Part of the /risu/-/vrt/ story

https://rentry.org/xtasq

Risuners please let me know if this is fine for you guys portayalwise.

>>28362182
I say I lean towards it doesn't mean I will. Its a shame because there's an entire religion of alchemy based on gnosticism. I also thought about being a western alchemy hermit vTuber. And one of the things I would study is old alchemy. That said I should study basic chemistry if I need to be an alchemy vTuber.

>>28362684
Maybe I should become an alchemist vTuber, then. I might be a bit overqualified though.

>>28362684
Never thought so, I am just giving a warning as someone who has seen what it does to people. Really, much of modern protestantism is gnostic anyways. But thats offtopic. I hope cunt is on soon because this lads gettin tired

ok i was honestly so absorbed in writing that i did not catch up with thread at all, what did i miss?

>>28362960
/nasfaqg/ megacorp debut, risuner getting gtfo, a bit of personal religion talk

>>28363054
whats the megacorp like? got the rentry handy by chance for it?

also what did risuners do?

>>28363237
Here. >>28358357

>>28362960
We learned why /nasa/'s rep goes to church.

>>28363237
Alice just trolled OGsuner hard, thats all.

>>28363377
you guys actually believing this shit trolls me much harder ngl

>>28363325
WHAT? NOOO
why did i miss that, i have been curious for so long...

>>28363633
Risuner!!! >>28362485

please gimme input and feedback, i have been enjoying writing this so much so i hope you do too

>>28363633
Bro.. wtf are you saying.. its fun to mess with you anyways

Man, Alice is becoming more and more my fav in here as days pass. Gonna have to treat you to some nuggies for all the excellent dunking you did on the squirrels :D

That being said, Cunt is back baby! Had a nice sleep, whoever said I'm at work, go outside and touch some grass and check the calendar, it's fucking sunday.

So what you fuckers need me for? Phonesposting BTW, so replies might take a bit if I have to write a lot.

>>28363645
See >>28361441 You're just in time.

>>28363738
I JUST READ IT RETROBRO! I kneel for many reasons. Your people are so fucking nice. Giving Neriah a free big amethyst is absolutely insane. The part about her being super excited about seeing the shops is actually very fit for her character. Shes a fucking nerd. To the risuners this place (alongside the ones who went to /rose/ are probably the happiest expedition team yet. I do have questions for you later about the types of weaponry available. It's pretty obvious that most nations would see your old shit as old shit and junk but risuners would look at it and say WOW THATS WAY BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE! But yeah this is definitely up there for one of the surprisingly more fun ones I have done. Tell me about da weapons will you.

Side note I watched a bit of the hank hill guy that shit was alright. Also checked out your main girl and my god shes really into them old games. If she ever plays Supreme Commander please tell me immediately.

>>28364231

>>28364106
Was requested to ask you something on behalf of nasa rep but ive lost it mentally.>>28360209
Ah here it is.

>>28363633
You play this card but we saw you get murdered live by a brat. Damn bro… she is a nice girl too.

Good night senpai mwah, and cunt and everyone else. Risunersenpai, i am sorry for hurting your feelings like that… you seem like you could take a bant from a girl who has no experience with anything… sorry…

>>28364858
Good night sweetie. See ya later.

>>28364447
Well Ardy being so nice has its own reasons too.

i could go back and have the shopping spree a bit more worked out with Neriah buying all kinds of fun weapons like gunswords, exploding maces. cool old swords and knifes and axes and whatnots. ect.

would allow me to have more interactions between Neriah and Ardy

Yeah hank hill is fun and the fact he sticks to his kayfabe is just amusing as hell, sadly he has a bit of a strong case of "twitch" wich funnily enough the rest of our chuubas don't tend to have.

Onolumi is the best. She is always positive and always such a joy. she is my oshi for a reason, girls a saint.

>>28364858
.......im honestly fine wtf? the reason why i took a few hours off to myself was so that I WOULDN'T get annoyed.

My options
1. Continue engaging with alice even though it would actually be causing me butthurt at that point.
2. Fuck off for a bit and write/play a bit of Terraria
3. Post my cock and prove everyone wrong/assert utter dominance

I picked option 2. Kek?

>>28364529
OH, uhhh, for now I really don't have any plans to detail out the battle too much. The whole thing will be from the perspective of Cass, and she would quite literally strip the station bare to outfit everyone, and would lack the sensors on the outside to really see what's going on. Basically everything after the main doors close and every combatant is outside is fog for her. Even have a little emotional ending in my head surrounding that very idea that she doesn't know what happened to them.

>>28365456
You know you are bluffing with option 3.

>>28365041
If you want to then by all means. I actually am a bit curious about Ardy now. If its pussy he wants then he can easily obtain it. It's not that hard to get with a risuner ESPECIALLY when you have some pretty gems with you.
fuck it ill check out her video list to see what she played. checking out oshis has worked out wonders for me and turned me into a rosemi fan

>>28365456
It aint the cock that makes the man, but the man behind it. You dont assert dominance over Alice or Cunt by doing that. You could have a 20 incher (gross) but posting it makes it small. You get me? Thats weak shit at asserting anything. Thanks for coming to my ted talk

>>28365498
>Alex knows damn well what happened to them.
>Choses not to tell Cass at her request.
Alex is too kind for his own good.

>>28365843 (me)
Alice is easy to deal with anyways, she is just a little brat. Hard to get annoyed at her imo

>>28365577
option 3 has no benefits. Instead of having "no proof" i would instead be called a retard for actually dick posting. I may be a clingy horny incest loving cousinfucker but I learned a long time ago the best way to deal with something before it gets actually annoying is option 2. Works every time. Speaking of fucking off I think it's time I go to bed. Goodnight you gentlemen and sexy bitches.

Why does he get annoyed by being called a virgin by another virgin on 4chan?

>>28365843
Just before I go to bed I had this idea for I don't even fucking know why.
>Finally meets Alice
>Rape correction ensures
>I'm sorry OGsuner but let me tell you one thing
>TF2 spy transformation occurs
>IT WAS I RI2NER ALL ALONG KEK

Im off. See you faggots at dawn

>>28366321
You raped Ri2ner?kek he would like that

>>28365727
Well if you don't figure it out, then even better, will make the finale much more fun

https://youtu.be/ffntZjo9uVw?t=6016 for a quick look at what she is like in one song

>>28366090
I'm hoping I don't have a big dinner or last minute shopping before writing tomorrow. What I can say is I fucking hate mozzies after writing this part. See you tomorrow.

Also, dragoonbro, if you post, ill go over it tomorrow morning.

Is it wrong that I want to have tea and snacks with Pomu?

>>28366681
I'll go over the societal stuff to get it out of the way first, then I'll look over the army.

>>28362104
something i do like is that epoch comes from mori, which is a good explanation for why his name begins with a vowel, other than that, i can make up some words and retrofit others to translate the company's titles into kat nol

>>28366867
Oh yea Dragoonfriend, did you have the time to check the dragon spec evolution we had the small chat about in the last thread?

good night guys, till later

>>28369856
The mossback tortoise one? I did! The end to the page was really sad tho

Hey everyone, decided I wanted to participate a bit in this thread! the concept is great

Gotta go to church tomorrow. Its bedtime.

>>28370900
Welcome welcome! You might be a bit late, dead hours usually start in a few hours, but I will still be here, holding down the fort, if you have any questions! I suggest you check out the archive linked at the bottom of the OP for what, if anything, has already been written on /pyon/, and you can work from there!

>>28370898
Yea, that's kinda my thing, I focus on death a lot and make it as emotional as possible. I feel that in those last moments you can really show a whole spectrum of emotions and capture the real essence of how someone is, be it human or animal.

>>28371209
Thanks. based fellow Aussie appreciator. Kinda a weird question and sorry if its already been answered but what will happen to Sana's island once she graduates? maybe it can tie into your lore.

>>28372318
Well, for the Sanallites, I plan for them to become the closest thing we will get to a 40k space marine legion battling schizos in the north wastes for centuries to come, becoming a force of nature not controlled by any writer. I'm just going balls to the walls with the last story, throwing away any chains that we places on ourselves.
As for the land, my current standing is that it should be granted to Tempus guys if they end up being HomoEN, which they most likely will. If not, and they are just another JP group, I would support it just staying unclaimed for now, semi-reserved for a future EN group.

>>28370900
what is kiki's opinion on /meat/? just asking.

Dear god, it might be just a shitpost, but /luxnoctem/ exists already KEK. Tempest already got absorbed into that.

>>28379916
It's a shitpost, desu. I will unironically use it if it manages to survive since I watch both companies anyway, but I suspect just having anything to do with Tempus is inevitably going to attract all the shitposting tourists. It'll devolve into a trashfire before long.

>>28380386
I just want them to be bros and get their own general so I have something to write for ;-;

>>28380520
Good luck. Can't say anything about whether they'll be bros, but /luxnoctem/ probably won't stick at least, and /stars/ hates EN chuubas with a burning passion, so there's a decent chance Tempus will eventually end up with their own general. Unless the /luxnoc/ sisters end up adopting the /luxnoctem/ general out of sheer spite. That's how /luxnoc/ started in the first place, so it could always happen again.

>>28380520
The Great /luxnoc/ Schism of 1625

Bump

dead hours, man

I HAVE AWAKEN!
back to writing the lore proposal I guess
But first.....
A detour in the other tale Im writing

bump

I'm glad the mods stickied the /uoh/ threads to allow posters to post their favorite cunny vtubers.

>>28370900
hi champy

Did we have a list of all the map changes we wanted to make?

(And of course there's another one to add to the list now.)

>>28392739
What new change do we need to add to the list?

>>28369815
Sounds good, I didn't intend to do that with Epoch, since it's a self-adopted name essentially, but I am glad that it worked out like that. Would it be possible to write it in Moriji script?

Also, in case people haven't read it yet, here's the Rentry for a /nasfaqg/ megacorporation that is affiliated with Moriji:
https://rentry.org/tripoint-cooperative

>>28377396
All I know is she loves ringo

>>28391932
Hello bot!!

>>28392739
>>28392950
Nijireps proposed re drawing of their island that they all agreed on

All right you beautiful bastards, i am awake

>>28396133
finally more non corpo represantation in here

>>28396234
a New new map or the oold new one we already mostly agreed upon?

>>28396456
Old one we agreed on two weeks ago.

So /luxnoctem/ has been formed, I don't think it will last but for worldbuilding I don't think that is a good idea. (And for my sanity considering I will have to balkanize their area even more.)

>>28397740
don't worry about it before it hasn't stuck around for a while

>>28397740
Dont canonise it yet
We dont know it until Holostars EN debut

>>28397784
>>28397808
I was talking hypothetically since NijiMap will be up for vote soon. I don't think it will be able to stick personally.

>>28351306
Since it's being discussed again, here's a graphic I whipped up to highlight the proposed changes to the nijicontinent.

Furthermore, if the vote comes up, I will give /luxnoc/ from EN General as was planned.

>>28398183
Didn't realize I fucked LL and Anya-Petra like that, will have to redo it with /luxnoc/

>>28398183
didn't you want to move the /warkop/ border to one of the rivers?

and you also got a rough outline for /luxnoc/ wich will probably stick around unlike the weird new one

>>28398359
Yeah, I'll get that done.

See what you think.

>>28398554
sorry that came off way more commanding than i wanted, i am lackign in sleep since lumi decided to go for 9 hours of Xcom

what i wanted to ask with the second one was
"Do you have a rough idea about how you want to make /luxnoc/ since you have prepared space for them in advance with /nijien/"

>>28398774
More and more land is taken from /ahoy/. You can't abuse inactive threads.

>>28398783
Eh, Don't worry retrobro. I get like that too and I take well to it anyways.

Added a new day. Expanding from that one post sequence. And a glimpse into the /hlgg/ affair
https://rentry.org/e958q

>>28398844
They got another whole island instead of an exclave. We've been over this and this map was agreed on before. All I changed was getting rip of the two small exclaves that I thought would be cool but the thread disagreed on.

>>28398844
You do realize that they took an island from /2434/ that is the same size as their land in LazuLight General?

>>28398945
I also thought the two exclaves are pretty cool for a sea-borne nation.
>>28399003
>same size
I understand the idea of trying to trade land, but it's not the same size. You're taking away 1546 pixels squared without the exclaves and roughly 1460 pixels squared with exclaves, while giving an island of 619 pixels squared, essentially 2.5 times smaller than the land you're taking away. This /is/ abusing an inactive thread. I'm fine with land being shuffled, but since /ahoy/ doesn't have a rep to agree to an unequal exchange, you'll have to make it fairer.

>>28399246 (me)
I also realized you're taking away the exclave in Nijimale, so that's another 158 square pixels. All in all, you're shrinking its land three times and trying to call it "fair".

>>28398774
i think the river one up is more fitting since it connects directly to /haha/ border. and honestly thats more space i was expecting for /luxnoc/ so i doubt anyone got an issue there

>>28398844
antichama... your bait... its getting weaker and more obvious...

>>28398868
ehh i just wanna try and make thigns more clearer and work on my wording a bit since i feel my own ESL nature has led to some of the earlier problems when you nijireps came in by coming off as more aggressive as i intended

>>28399301
I'm not antichama, though. You can see for yourself that it's blatantly not the same size.

>>28399246
>>28399297
Problem I have with large exclaves for a pirate nation is that they are impossible to hold. I will gladly try to give them more, but I want others opinions on this . (He is not an anti.)

>>28399392 (me)
I'm sort of busy drawing a battlefield map rn so If you want to show it youself, go ahead.

>>28399392
I get what you are saying, and I think that an exclave should be fine to hold if it's a single consolidated one, especially if you have some kind of natural barriers next to it (rivers, mountains). There are historical precedents for naval powers being able to hold onto these types of holdings by heavily fortifying them.

>>28399357
then do your reps, we already discussed this extensively as to why /ahoy/ should not have an exclave there and it even went to a vote where everyone agreed upon that change in exchange for the second isle.

after we already did all that to then come and exclaim abuse over that how am i not supposed to take this as blatant antiposting?

>>28399612
Can't see it anywhere in the vote archive.

>>28399574
Problem is there is no such thing there. Look, I tried my best to make borders make sense for everyone. Some will lose land but i will state that /ahoy/ losing 800 or so pixels is meaningless in the grand scheme. Not everyone has to be equal size. (Which is already gigantic.) In the future, I would hope more generals would be open to having smaller states like /pyon/ as an example.

From a strategic perspective, have to side with Panon. /ahoy/ would take that island over that exclave anyday because it is far more useful to them. Not all land is worth the same

>>28399828
huh, true, fair enough that one is on me then. guess 3beat didn't quite get around to doing it before he went camping.

but yeah been talked about more than enough. there was also the idea i threw to Panon of a corrupt portcity close to the isles where pirates can sell their stolen stuff right back even within lazulight

>>28400272
No worries bro, I'm trying to make the most sense of this for everyone so we don't do a map vote every week or so for this. Tried to also make it prepared for the future too.

>>28400272
That sounds alright. And if it's an archive issue, it has to be fixed to avoid misunderstandings like that, I just saw the land of another inactive general being taken with no vote archived to do so. I was gone from the threads for a while, but I've been in here since the beginning so I remember the zoning and /who/-/uuuu/ incidents, wanted to avoid them happening a second time.
>>28400097
I agree that not land is worth the same. Still, it does feel like an unequal trade with this much of a disparity. But if there already was a vote, it's done.
>>28399835
It is somewhat meaningless since generals already are wildly different in sizes, with some being technically around 10 times bigger than others the last time I've checked (taking map projection into account). Just keep this in mind when trying to decide the population/wealth of nations.

>>28400437
Yeah, just trying to be clear that I am not in favor of just ripping a ton of land away for no reason. It's more about making the most sense given how things work in borders.

>>28400437
oh yeah i get you, i remember myself, there was quite an uproar when changes were made initially and his first draft kinda got denied but with the new proposal from Panon that shows more consideration the thread has coem to accept the changes as good

>>28351306
comparison for new revision
>>28400437
For the record, the vote result was abstain, so no changes have been agreed to yet.

>>28358357
Wow, you went really deep into this.

>>28401593
Tried my best. Took me a week to write and longer to conceptualize, but I felt it was necessary since /nasfaqg/ corporations are not inherently grounded in chuuba lore, so a lot more things needed describing to be understood by others.

>>28392950

I was thinking of /るみな/ (possibly we might have to add /unou/ if that gets going as well).

>>28401573
Wait a minute, has this been cleared with Anya-Petra? Also I don't remember seeing the justification for each of the various NijiEN border changes, some explanation would be helpful.

>>28358357
>Computers
Babbage's difference and analytical machines are from the first half of the 19th century. They would be extremely complex and expensive to build. It also depends on how such machine(s) developed and evolved. I'm not really sure of the scale of the company. It might be better to incorporate the early computers into a project done with the University. The company's main venture being instruments and machinery like goniometer.
Also I'd consider taking away the technology University's name. Having technology in a University's name in this setting kinda takes me away from it for reasons

>>28402914
Fuck... Let's just move their border back to normal

Fixed Anya-Petra.
Justifications were that it fixes some of the more nonsensical parts of the borders, like Warkop's weird border with Haha and tries to rely more on natural borders. if you want a detail for each one, ill do it albeit some of the minor changes are me not being able to do it perfectly.

>>28402921
Regarding technology, /nasfaqg/ is slightly ahead of the curve, and companies specializing in particular branches can be very far ahead (although their inventions are kept as a trade secret and not sold if they can be reverse-engineered). The precise reasoning is outline here, but several factors stop the proliferation and widespread adoption of technology in /nasfaqg/: https://rentry.org/6exv2
>Regarding technology, it'd vary wildly for reasons I will get into in the reasoning/drawbacks section, but it'd likely use a pre-industrial 1800s as the baseline, with individual plutocrats reaching tech in their favoured discipline up to the 1880s. Overall, we'd assume the 1850s tech level would be "average", primarily in commercial and theoretical technology, with tech that'd be mass-produced stalling behind significantly, including military technology.

Being complex and expensive to build is not an issue here, since the company is built upon taking advantage. Those analytical engines are primarily for internal use and analyzing the financial markets: you are right that the main /commercial/ venture that is actually being sold are precision and measurement instruments.

Good idea for renaming the university. I initially intended for it to be "Oppia University", but it felt bland - maybe "Oppia Polytechnic [Institute]"? Not sure if to add the institute or not, or maybe substitute it with University.

>>28402921
Do not make me tap the sign

>>28403510
*taking advantage of those instruments
Also, it references a lot of autistic number analysis work I do in /nasfaqg/.

>>28403556

>>28403594

Wait a fucking minute. Where is WARanon?

>>28403556
Risuner... Computers ARE science whether you like it or not...
>>28403510
I'd make the branches/fields they are ahead limited. 1880s is probably pushing it a little. I don't want another timeloop. It would help a lot if you go into it with a more evolutionary approach.
Just Oppia Polytechnic would be better but I'd make it more of a recent change, which also depends on your institution's history. Polytechnic institutes should be a quite recent thing in Vitubia. Not everything has to sound cool and modern.

>>28401871
it certainly is a lot to take in.

I feel like a lot of the Chuubanite balancing would be easier with 1850 era tech. Not advocating it now but that might have been a better idea earlier on. Either that or have it set around 1550 instead.

>>28404075
Shhhh
He's asleep

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>>28398926
Oh shit is /hlgg/ coming to aid /nasa/!?

>>28403510
>Tech
Just testing the waters to find the limit. Couldnt the same be said if a nation had advaced metal working and an arms industry that they would have 1850 era tech for those industries?

>>28404370
>number of meat is increasing each post
uhhhhhhh

>>28404186
risuner thinks computers are magic... cute

>>28404451
WARanon sure is hungry today... I bet he can find a lot of meat up north...

>>28404464
Are they not? Isn't everything powered by invisible magic?

>>28404075
He's at a battle, battle is almost over, he'll be back next thread

>>28404186
The conglomerate is quite new. I'd assume that the Oppia Polytechnic would be about 50-100 years old at this point.
>>28404186
Those branches are limited. I heavily recommend reading the proposal, they are essentially niches those companies carved for themselves, and the technology developed by those companies does not spread due to their secrecy.
Most of them are also not mass-produced.
>>28404396
Depends, but that's much more debatable. Being ahead in economic theory or mathematics is much more of an intangible advantage than having post-industrial revolution production power. It's mainly mass production and /particularly/ of military things that is the problem, and is also the reason why tech was set roughly in 1750's, just to be pre-industrial.

>>28404701
>Economical and Math.
Well, here is my problem with this overall, because everything is linked together regardless. A war of Economics is just as effective as a war of cannons.

>>28404396
hmm i did not think too hard about it when i first read it since it was mostly flavour and not just straight up "have an advantage" but it actually is really weird

i mean with the over 100year gap it basicly means that the top edge is living in a completly different world than the majority of their nation. even more apart than real life right now. it just makes no sense for it to be this apart because to make a profit you have to eventually make things widespread for more costumerbase. and even with leaders of companies wantign to keep their edge a secret as best as they can. they would also actively try to spy on each other or poach talented peopel form each other who would brign their knowledge with them. as well as havign deals where they could easily exchange tech "50years back" for equivalent tech of other companies in their specialisation without losing their edge at all since they would still be ridicolous ahead.

Idea
What if the stance on magic is a major political/philosophical axis?
Some people believe magic should be kept minimum, mundane utility and treated like tools. People like /who/ and /nasa/
While on the opposite end, are people who believe that every aspect of life should involve magic. Even the toilet has to be magic
The rationalists believe that using magic is like a crutch, handicapping yourself of progress and allowing your oshi deities do all the work. The spiritualists believe magic is a gift from the gods and should be used all the time.

>>28405138
Not to mention, other nations will do the same as those companies.

>>28404370
Okay pawpaw we'll take you to the tavern. Do you want beef or mutton?

>>28405323
Magic is everything

>>28404396
Technology doesn't work like Civ 5 in real life. Some things might be more advanced but others might not be. The Chinese used a similar process to puddling way earlier than European countries. /who/ has ridiculously advanced steel working by Vitubia's standard but since we lack tools like more powerful steam hammers and rollers we are limited in the things we can make. Cannons can be made from steel but if you don't have the know-how to make a good breech your breechloader can be even worse than a older muzzle loader.

>>28405440
Helno

>>28405657
You seriously don't think industrial espionage can't happen? IRL the US stole basically the fabric making industries from England.

>>28405903
I typed 'helno' on purpose it's not a typo. it's a greeting, you see. Espionage is a big reason I object to nasfaqq being too ahead of everyone. But I'm sick rn so can't think clearly

>>28404833
That's quite a modern thing. Before that, economy that supported the military. You could see economy being used to wage warfare, of course, such as in the case of embargoes, but it ultimately looped back to having more resources to splurge on the military.
>>28405138
>i mean with the over 100year gap it basicly means that the top edge is living in a completly different world than the majority of their nation
Correct. Unimaginable, untold wealth and a completely different world, detached from the problems of the "common" man. That's kind of the idea behind /nasfaqg/ plutocrats.
Regarding the espionage, it does happen, but paranoia of leaders prevails most of the time, and it's essentially a Mexican tech standoff. Even in the extraordinarily rare event that a company steals technology, it keeps it secret themselves.
This paranoia is also why the advantage of those /really/ advanced technologies is limited, since they aren't released as products, and usually are kept away under lock and key. In /nasfaqg/ someone surely developed penicilin and only ever used it for themselves.

Besides, I'd like to note that it's not as if I'm suggesting something new here. This has been established as /nasfaqg/ lore before and approved by the thread several months ago.

Read https://rentry.org/6exv2

>>28406083
i see...

>>28406227
issue is that this approved at a time when the stance of the thread in the regard to technology was vastly different then it is nowadays, back then issues that come from such decisions weren't appearan't yet as when kroniis got their stuff approved, and so this does warrant potentially taking a look at it again and work out issues it has.

>Correct. Unimaginable, untold wealth and a completely different world
its not about them being filthy rich and able to buy the newest and shinies things they want on a whim without a care or problem in their life. this is basicly them living in the now times while the rest of the world is living in a post WW1 era.
and not having stuff mass produced does not equal being a one of a kind thing. if for example someone in /nasfaqg/ has penicilin then someone had to research that stuff, had to aquire the resources for it. had to have tools created to make it ect. They want in on it too. you cannot have peopel create stuff and then expect them to just giv eit away and forget about it without wanting to use it themselves too.
Also if you create advanced tools for minign ect for example you want as many of your people to use it and not just have a single drill for one guy to use. those workers will sell those drills out at the first drop if a different company simple offers them a better offer if they live a life so far behind their bosses.

good morning!!!

>>28408269
g'mornin'

>>28405138
>i mean with the over 100year gap it basicly means that the top edge is living in a completly different world than the majority of their nation.
yes, that is indeed the whole point. The class divide in nasfaqg is extreme, and with the wealth divide comes also the tech divide. Sure, this may need some rule of cool handwaving to be entirely believable, but i think that can be done.

If it helps, its better to think of nasfaqg as the greek city states, a group of separate independent and pseudo-independent nations which are somewhat unified under a common language and culture (and all of them being on some level subservient to the Dev Council, if only on a level where they pay a tax tribute to the republic).

>>28407322
There could be an argument made that for someone who was born and raised in a corporate citystate, their loyalty to the corporation is akin to patriotism towards any country. A person like that wont sell their discoveries to another company for the same reason why a kronie wont sell the tech for making ironclads to /morig/.

>Also if you create advanced tools for minign ect for example you want as many of your people to use it and not just have a single drill for one guy to use.
That is if you have a unified country, which nasfaqg is not. If your magic drill gives you an advantage over your rivals, you would want to make sure that your rivals wont get their hands on it. Same idea as behind /risu/ not wanting their magical weapons to fall in enemy / foreigner hands. For a nasfaqg megacorporation, the other nasfaqg megacorporations are those enemies.

>>28408269
ohayo!

>>28408310
>>28408323
How is you?

>>28407322
I will respond to this once I get back home in a couple hours, just so you know that it's not being ignored. Same goes for other posts that will come afterwards.

>>28407322 (me)

there is also the issue of, if you gto a company for everything than /nasfagq/ has no real disadvantage. /meat/ is a nation that as a whole focused a lot on medicine to get where they are but here is a company on its own with medicine 100 years advanced, this is balanced in that they cannot mine or farm. but here is a company that is 100years advanced in mining and here is one 100years advanced in farming. and now suddenly all these disadvantages are gone sicne overall they all fill in the spots for each other.

and if they do keep it perfectly secret and not releasing thigns out in the open then how do they get people to research adn develop these things? if the populace is 100years behind in knowledge and then suddenly have to work on things so far advanced then it should be impossible.

>>28407322
>this is basicly them living in the now times while the rest of the world is living in a post WW1 era.
Not even close. Technology has advanced at an exponential rate in the late 1800s and 1900s. The difference between 1920s and 2020s is way bigger than the difference between and 1750s and 1850s

>>28408375
JWU a few hours ago, and got my coffee. My sleep schedule is fucked and its already late afternoon here.-

>>28408323
if you said the plutcrats where living the high society of 1750 wich is the average around the world while the general population was living like 1600 than ok, i can see them using their wealth to simply get what they want from other places but this proposal is propelling plutocrats over 100years ahead of the general world as a whole, not just the people of your own nation.

>Same idea as behind /risu/ not wanting their magical weapons to fall in enemy / foreigner hands.
the difference here is that risuners do not try to profit of their gem magic.

>>28409117
>the difference here is that risuners do not try to profit of their gem magic.
They are, in the sense that they believe it gives them an advantage over their enemies in a wartime situation.
For a nasfaqg corporation, the tools they use to manufacture their goods are that weapon, and it gives them edge over their competitors. They are not trying to profit from the tools themselves, but from what they can produce. Giving others knowledge of the tools is counterproductive to their own goals.

>if you said the plutocrats where living the high society of 1750 which is the average around the world while the general population was living like 1600 than ok ... but this proposal is propelling plutocrats over 100years ahead of the general world as a whole...
refer to >>28408969,the tech level between 1750s and early/mid 1800s is not that large, and is in no way comparable to post-ww1 to today. Besides, we already have generals that are in the mid-1850s technologically.
Also, I'd definitely like some areas of nasfaqg being closer to 1600s or even earlier.

>>28408484
This is a valid concern which I agree should be answered. I personally had no plans of ever writing nasfaqg to have an answer to everything, as powergaming like that is fucking boring.

As for how research would be explained, I'd like to invoke rule of cool and tap the signs >>28403594, >>28403979.Im sure I or someone else could come up with some good enough way to explain it.

>>28410093
Risuners would not currently be able to send out more than 20 people with gem staffs right now. Gem staffs btw are pretty much magical M1 garands if you want to view it in terms of firepower or if you watched stargate SG1 they are goauld staff blasters. There is simply too little of them and risuners are focused on quantity of gemtrees to be able to make them fast enough for the coming times. Now sure 20 risuners with these blasters would surely do a lot but they wouldnt go all in due to fear of capture and would flee at any sign of being captured. Not to mention that this would be an extreme situation due to risuners being scattered tribes.

>>28408969
And why is that? Factors like public education, more intensive agriculture and faster traveling of both information and people all contributed to the explosive growth we experienced in the past century. Does /nasfaqq/ has any of those kinds of factors which enabled it to be well ahead of other nations? And accounting for the vast gaps of wealth that is present in /nasfaqq/ and in a hypothetical scenario where there's public education available to most of those who live in /nasfaqq/, what's stopping a researcher from a lower SES background to say screw it and bring his work to another country where he thinks he can have a better chance to climb the social ladder?

>>28410093
Say a /nasfaqq/ company made a power drill that runs on chuubanite. They would still have to give it to workers in order to exploit its advantages over a screwdriver. What's stopping those drills being acquired by another company's spy when there are so many workers doing work with them? I think it's fine if say a company accidentally discovered penicillin and kept it as a secret (disregarding all the modern implements, facilities and other factors that allowed it's discovery). But if a company were to use what they invented to gain an edge over their competition, 8 times out of ten it's gonna get stolen.

>tech level between 1750s and early/mid 1800 is not that large
What is the industrial revolution

>>28410744
So all those threats about burning down shit if one of you dies were just empty words, huh....noted.

>>28410744
>magical M1 garands
10 people with these can take out hundreds from longer ranges. You can make the case as you have about the lack of numbers and fleeing, but I need to remind you that a rifle like this can shoot from 500 meters. I guess what I am asking is how accurate are these things?

>>28410093
>1750s and early/mid 1800s is not that large
Need I remind you that this is the start of the industrial revolution in Britain and this period is the period where Britain was able to become the superpower of the world thanks to it. I bring this up because its on my mind:
Why should Alice get bonked for advanced Naval Tech if you are making the case they are not different (There is a clear answer.)

can chuubanite be used for advanced metullury and higher quality cannons/shells????

Truth is with most of these things, i have noticed the trend that nearly all magical things are in someway worldbreaking to a degree. I mean, this is pre-industrial revolution tech in the world and like yesterday, introducing 20th century "magic" tech (which you claim has limitations, but the limitations are so minor compared to the advantages that it is moot) On that last note, let me explain this. Having "magical" hydrophones is not something you can counter, and having a "magical" M1 garand, no matter if it is just one single guy using it is unbelievably broken for an era when ships rely on wind and the earliest forms of rifling are just being developed.

>>28411008
Without scopes and such the effective range for a M1 Garand is only 440 yards. Remember they are using iron sights, which I doubt the staffs have. I'm no physicist but the fireballs would probably lose effectiveness in longer ranges. So the blasters would be limited in range (around 100-150 yards max), probably no more accurate than a contemporary musket. It should also behave differently than rifle bullets, giving severe, localized burns rather than having the stopping power and soft tissue damage potential of a .30-06. the projectile would also travel quite slowly I'd imagine, not good for range and has a lot of dropoff

>>28410999
it COULD be done. it just would not be practical. it would take months for the witches to notify each other and send out elite risuner troopers with these weapons.
>>28411008
Never really thought of that but I assume they would be accurate as 500 yards like you said. If this is too much to everyone then I can say otherwise but we don't have shit and risuners wont be able to produce these fast enough for the next 50 years. Also morig diamonds are prismatic bombs if anyone remembers those kek.
>>28411176
Pic related

>>28411414 (me)
I am not against being clever with magic, like the gem trees or meat. I am against things that do in fact break the meta. This isn't an arms race. This isn't Civ 5 and you are rushing tech. We are building a world that should be believable gentlemen.

>>28411420
I originally got the idea of gem magic completely from terraria. Gif related to show how in game the shit works.

>>28411176
No if your chuubanite doesn't have it as an effect. Retro Reich chuubanite can "improve" the quality of things. But normal chuubanite is just supposed to be a kind of programmable power source. Ange chuubanite should probably be more leaning towards potions and chemicals rather than metals. Chuubanite isn't exactly a handwavium and the new chuubanite doc will hopefully make the rules clearer.

>>28411458
Balancing in general is something we need to work on. Every day is a debate on this.
>>28411420
Once again, reminder that this is a balance issue overall. We have a world with pre-industrial tech and we are essentially throwing shit in that breaks meta.

>>28411655
All im saying is that risuners had these for a LONG time. They are just now digging caverns for these to be viable. More gemtrees = faster production. And for a while people seemed to be ok with the gem magic concept especially around grape agate blastrers but if you want to discuss then by all means. I think it does help the fact that risuners are mostly on the low end of technology so I planned it as their magic being able to keep up with firearm related weaponry.

>>28411788
Don't get me wrong, I am just noticing a trend that I find to be ridiculous in general. If you had said terraria, I would have agreed that it was fine because i've played the game.

>>28403306
Might also need somewhere for /dsw/.

I don't really know enough to tell which parts of these are supposed to be natural borders (apart from the rivers), so for me at least an explanation might help.

>>28411655
I think OGsuner only used the word M1 Garand because it's THE semi auto rifle in people's minds. imo it's better to not think of it in that scope since it limits the imagination on how it works in universe. I think OGsuner mentioned them being very rare and expensive to make compared to other gem powered weapons. We won't have companies of Risuner Marines invading /meat/ any time aoon

>>28411869
Some land in 2434 was allocated should we decide to go with DSW. Albeit, I wouldn't mind having a smaller nation for once.

>>28411632
Well my problem is there is so many chuubas that I have reduced it to one single type for 2434 that I am working out mentally to fit Nijisanji as an organization.

>>28411906
I know and I understand since he show terraria. But we have to an agreement at some point that we cannot just use magic to justify everything like we cannot have tech races either.

>>28411906
But hey, if they do, they'll learn that the primitive-looking weapons they eschewed might be more effective than they believed.

>>28412147
They are meant to be the magic equivalent of the weapons that will come. That is what I intended after all. By the time gem staffs will be commonly used i believe the world will have semi auto weapons anyway. I tried to make it so that we would develop this shit at the same time as you all would develop technology. Risuners going the magic route.

>>28410093
for the first part, there is a huge difference between hiding a gun that could go unnoticed all life if they never have to use it. And if they ever are forced in a situation that they have to gem magic then the plot is up and people would know it. its not something they can hide once they use it.

and while the difference might not be as huge as 1920 to 2020, the difference between 1750 and 1850 is still huge. if this was about beign a decade or two ahead of competition i would not even bat an eye but a whole century is not something to just handwave as "Minor"

Yes there has been way too much handwaving in the past in many regards without much care of possible consequences it could have for the future and i am not happy with a lot of these either. and while i am still 100x more happy if this is a use of rule of cool than in cases where it is just straight up used for military stuff that does not mean we should look for possible issues in these past decisions that were maybe a bit too hasty.
i will however admit this could also just be me way overthinking.
I just personally feel a lot of these "drawbacks" people thought of to balance their advancement aren't really that much fo a drawback.
>Cannons can be made from steel but if you don't have the know-how to make a good breech your breechloader can be even worse than a older muzzle loader.
this example from /who/ for one, this might sound plausible at first but it also just means "all we got to do is either write at some point we got it figured out or get the know-how from a different nation and then this drawback is gone."
its jsut the right amount of nillywilly to be considered a drawback at first glance but to be immeaditly eliminated when actually needed.

>We can have all this tech no worries because as a drawback we are isolists to the world
and we all know how well that one worked out

>our plutocrats would never share their knowledge with each other, until they have to in order to survive

if someone wants to be "advanced" then this should come with an absolute drawback written in stone and the moment someone tries to work around it or make it void then everything havign to do with that advancement should be considered void and noncanon so people actually have to stick to it.

but i also don't wanna strongarm my own view here so isntead of pushing for it i rather wait and see what the thread as whoel thinks

>>28412394
*Drops shrapnel shells on you from miles away*
Nothing personal, squirrel people.

What humors me the most about the obsession with military chuubanite is no one actually wants to go to war with anyone.

tfw no cute Risuner wife(male)

>>28412477
>also just means "all we got to do is either write at some point we got it figured out or get the know-how from a different nation and then this drawback is gone"
The time is frozen rn. And I do want to represent /who/'s technology as ever evolving. Not everything will be changed at once. Procurement and adopting new technology takes time, so is learning how to best use them. I'm not gonna write it as we are stuck in a certain way because we are the modernist faction.

>>28412686
What happens when history in most people's minds is mostly war and conflict. Military application of chuubanite can be a good perspective into your country depending on how you wrote it. But I agree and personally also suffer from focusing too much on the hard factors like the military.

>>28412686
I'm going to declare war on the Matsurisu three seconds after they enter this general

I have gems doing a lot of different shit desu. A lot of different powers depending on color and country origin.

>>28412954
The neat (maybe) thing about war and conflict is that it seems to have a clear goal (winning said war and conflict) for people to orient their development towards. That said, I think non-military technology (which also includes magic and chuubanite) probably paints a better picture of a culture, and that's coming from a /meat/head.

>>28413040
Not depending on the kind of gemstone it is?

>>28413140
Kind of gemstone AKA color mostly. I took a few of them from D&D if i couldnt find anything.

i just think for the rule of cool that there is a big difference between:

Plutocrats that are the most filthy rich people of this world and live with all luxorys the world offers, sitting all day playing mahjong wich sums so high it could potentially cost the jobs of thousands. while their companies have to work their asses of and might even be exploitive towards their own workers to gather that wealth on the same grand scale as the rest of the world.

and

Plutocrats that are filthy rich somehow because they have advanced technolgies catered to each of their companies catapulting each of them ahead a century in their fields even when put next to countries who as a whole have dedicated themselves to this one craft and it even shapes their culture. yet can perfectly keep these advantages secret from the rest of the world with them beign the only ones to develop and produce these advantages all on their own.

>>28412686
The Kronies have teleportation tech!

>>28412394
btw wich risuner are you?

>>28413982
OG, because he posts seggs images and OG suner is the terraria autist. I also might have memorized their smell

>>28413982
OG one. I never fucking know where ri2ner is. If your going to ask me about stuff I will be going to work in like 5 minutes. But after ill have the rest of the day.

I know schizo chuubanite has been a big no go but I do like the idea of gradual mutations from schizos that wield artefacts that are kind of animeish.

>>28414140
DID SOMEONE SAY SEGGS!?

>>28414169
is fine i am in no rush

Just checking in before church. Then I have to do shopping. I will finish the next part today.

>>28410958
>Does /nasfaqq/ has any of those kinds of factors which enabled it to be well ahead of other nations?
Does /inifnity/? Does /who/? Does any other nation that is ahead of the curve? For nasfaqg, education is one,as is arguably the fast traveling of information (being a seafaring nation with good internal sea routes).

>tech level between 1750s and early/mid 1800 is not that large
>What is the industrial revolution
and >>28411116
You cannot with good conscience compare the changes between1750s and 1800s to the differences between 1920s and 2000s and claim that those differences are similar. The ability to produce some goods faster and more efficiently is not comparable to nuclear weapons,spaceflight, and the internet.
Now take away stuff like trains and railroads, and other tech that has been explicitly or implicitly banned, and you get the situation we are in.

>>28411116
no one is advocating for nasfaqg to have steam trains, railroads, or 1800s factories for mass production of goods (as mentioned in https://rentry.org/6exv2, nasfaqg is oriented in the quality over quantity mindset, meaning no general standardization of equipment or mass production at the rate of the post-industrial revolution world). For >>28410958, this could be used as a reason why such powerdrills (which no one is advocating for, mind you), would ever be distributed to every worker.

>>28412477
For nasfaqg, the fractured and decentralized nature of the nation (and by extension the constant internal competition and corporate wars), and the vast internal tech level differences were meant to be that drawback. And at least i personally have intended for it to remain a drawback, and not be written away, as ive said before, powergaming is boring, at least to me, vtwbg is not a strategy game, its a creative writing project. And i think the vast internal tech difference, and the ability for others. Thus...
>our plutocrats would never share their knowledge with each other, until they have to in order to survive
I'd write that many would rather die than let their secrets fall into the hands of their rivals. Some (but not everyone) would be willing to side with a hostile foreign faction if it meant their rivals got destroyed, even if this would also lead to them losing profit. Nasfaqg would then in effect be like a crab bucket, with each plutocrat trying to climb to success while pulling everyone else back. Or something like that. Coming up with real solutions would take some more thinking.

There is a problem in not wanting to powergame while also trying to avoid being powergamed by others. I want to write interesting downsides while also having interesting strengths for nasfaqg, but I dont want to have my thread fucked over because I couldnt foresee someone who thinks of the project as a strategy game 4d chess'ing me. My first idea to counterbalance nasfaqg would be the aforementioned crab bucket idea; the plutocrats are more likely to turn on each other than they are to unify against a foreign faction. In a conflict between a megacorporation and a foreign power, the Dev Council and the Serene Republic military would take the side of the foreign power if they thought the megacorporation has stepped out of line, or if they think its better for the conflict to end quickly.

But, those ideas I fear would open the door for someone to abuse nasfaqg if they wanted to. Might be just me being paranoid or overly cautious.

>if someone wants to be "advanced" then this should come with an absolute drawback written in stone and the moment someone tries to work around it or make it void then everything having to do with that advancement should be considered void and noncanon so people actually have to stick to it.
I personally completely agree.

>>28413674
As far as I've understood, we (nasfaqg) werent advocating for the former or the latter, but for something in between. The former, but with the added flavour of some corporations (mostly the megacorps) having some certain technological areas where they are specialized in, and a allowed to be more advanced, and/or to have some cool magitech like Tripoint's analytical engine.

sorry for the possibly incomprehensible post, i dont have the will to proofread it at the moment. Im not our rep proper so take my words with that in mind

>>28415182 (me)
>For >>28410958, this could be used as a reason why such powerdrills (which no one is advocating for, mind you), would ever be distributed to every worker.
*never

>>28413020
actually maybe not, they seem pretty docile and honorable nora...BUT I STILL WANT WAR

>>28415182
>Strawmanning me to think I am comparing this to 1920 to 2000 or implying about railroads when I never mentioned it.
Bro, I specifically said it is not fair whatsoever to pick and choose when it comes to this. I also shit on the magic faggots that try to use Chuubanite as a crutch to justify tech. This is my problem with this overall, you fail to grasp that this has worldwide consequences big picture wise. Indeed, its absolutely unfair to ban early railways when everything fits in with a bigger picture. It's not a one-dimensional puzzle where you can magically have somethings around 1850s level tech and other things not. Please consider that I have a harder time bonking others like Alice for merely going 30 years ahead in Naval Tech with shit like Seppings improvements when you pick and choose what future tech you want nasfaq to have. To tell you the truth, the idea that nasfaq would be the only one able to do this is asinine when stealing tech has a long long history around the world. I am only being harsh with you because I want to avoid this constant slippery slope we have every day about "Oh I want advanced tech but don't understand how it truly effects the world"

Sorry. I need to be a hardass sometimes, nothing personal.

>>28415329
Lunaito bro, how tall are you?

>>28415736
>strawmanning me to strawmanning you implying railroads
not my intention, im sorry if it came as such. 1750s vs 1850s tech debate was an entirely useless point meant originally as an answer to >>28407322 saying

>this is basicly them living in the now times while the rest of the world is living in a post WW1 era.

Contextually you replying to that by attacking my rebuke made it seem like you were siding with that comparison.

>>28415736
So, what piece of proposed technology do you have an issue with?

>>28415778
W-Well you know, i drank alot of coffee when I was younger, nora, and my doctor said my back was a little twisty, nanora, and i'm still growing and its been a while since i've checked and uh...
5.05...

technologically the world should be malleable depending on their chuuba. Robosans being robots for example
But the zeitgeist is constant
Even with magic tech replicating modern ameneties, mentally and culturally it's 1700's

>>28416192
UUOOOOHHHHHHHH ToT

>>28416192
Well, if it's any consolation, Alice is smaller... by 8cm...

>>28416194
That's easy to say for split threads but how do you work out 2434 for example?
>>28416002
I have a problem with how you are working this out mentally, I am mainly advising caution because there are real world reasons for tech advancedment that I don't think you are taking into account when it comes to this. And if I am honest with you, early railroads should absolutely be on the table because it would be essenitial to the mining coop.
>>28416165
Mainly, its the principles of economic theory and computers. I am being harsh mainly because I have this circle jerk every damn day about chuubanite or tech. I just want people to pump their breaks, and go for 20 years ahead not 100.

>>28415736
>>28416002 (me)
>>28416165 (me)
Oh and dont worry, I wont take it badly. Be as harsh as you think is reasonable, but be reasonable and understanding where you can.

back from mass and reading over, why shouldn't nijisanji have advance tech? We were one of the pioneers in livers and Live 2D?

>>28416551
I just want you to think this over on a grand scale that's all. Think of the consequences around the world first and maybe we can talk about other parts from there. What effects do you think it will have on the world?

>>28416686 (me)
Furthermore, I would like to hear about everyone else's tech advancements that are from greater than 20 years too. We need to consider moving the tech to 1780 era if this is so widespread.

>>28416612
I have no issue with it since there is ample reason for it in Nijisanji culture wise.

>>28416807
So much for the frozen time/speed of plot thing eh?
For /meat/, I guess the only obvious case would be it having carronade cannons

>>28416543
What in the economic theory do you see problems with? Please do elaborate if you can.

Would it be better if the analysis machine would be closer to magic, or perhaps some sort of a mysterious relic that could not be reverse engineered, replicated, or moved?

>>28416612
Go for it if you want to, but do it well I suppose.

>>28416686
For the economic theories I honestly have no idea why any of them would be worldbreaking. The computer, yeah, that i can see, but only if it is something that could be replicated, reverse-engineered, or moved to different locations.

I cannot personally agree with any changes since 1. not my piece of writing and 2. im not the rep proper, just so you know.

>>28416901
>So much for the frozen time/speed of plot thing eh?
Yeah, clearly that will not work long term at this point when everyday it seems like we have to deal with tech/chuubanite advancement issues.

>>28416927
My only issue was really bringing up future tech like that. I want someone to explain exactly what is going on with it, preferably the person who wrote it. My only concern with theory and computers is simply what it could do to the world economy.

>>28417017 (me)
I don't know how Chuubanite even works half the time because we end up using it as a crutch to justify tech, like fucking hydrophones.

>>28415182
the balance is just way to whack. /nasfaqg/ as a whole is already in the top5 of navys as a whole, /nasfaqg/ is already on, if not THE, biggest trading nation of this world. /nasfqg/ as a whole is probably the richest nation of this world.
now add to that that corporations that each get to be a whole century ahead of the world as a whole, even towards nations whose whole, or at least to a huge point, culture and gimmick is based upon this one aspect.

for nation X who is gonna be living liek dwarfs and specialice in mining to be actually considered good, they cannot just be good for 1750 anymore because then they actually are still worse than each of your companys that work in mining. so either they now also have to accelerate to 1850 to be equal to that or the rest of the world has to agree that if they not good in minign they have to move back their technology to liek 1700 so they are behind the Minign nation that then still is behind your mining companies.

and the companies being rivals to each other is all nice and dandy but something still holds them together as a nation or else /nasfaqg/ would not function anymore. and what if someone threatens the whole of /nasfaqg/ and not just a singel company or band of some? what if someone wants to actually cripple the free markets of /nasfaqg/ because they see them as a threat for their own trade for example? would they not then band together to defeat the common enemy that is threaten them all?

and the powerdrill was just a visual aid to demonstrate what i meant.

>>28415182
Cannot speak for /inf/ but /who/ has a long history of public education, high literacy rates and a state ideology which facilitates technological development. These factors are influenced by its culture, political system of being a representative democracy and aesthetic of our chuuba, being the keeper of history and stories. Differentiating itself compared to European countries of the 18-19th century the state would also play a big role in how new technologies are invented, instead of mostly driven by private people and entities. You also missed the point about fast traveling of information. It allowed scholars from different countries to exchange ideas. I kind of doubt scholars in university A would be very keen on sharing his finds with B since B is funded by an rival corporation of A's patron. /who/'s level of inequality is also a lot less severe and its people practice frugality. Instead of spending most on luxuries a lot of the money its citizens earned is taxed and invested back into the country.
The issue I have isn't with "balancing" or "power gaming" but rather how it developed and fits into this world.

>>28416250
>>28416314
NAAAAAA
What the gods took from me in height they gave back to me in ultra development waist down! I can chase down and strangle lions with the power of my thighs NANORA. My friends refuse to wrestle me in playful jest because my thighs are too powerful!

>>28416901
>>28416962
>>28416807
What if instead of writing them as advancements just make them the current existing tech
There's no rules against cleaning up old lore and stories
Maybe an anon was skeptical about magic tech when he first joined but now he's interested, he doesnt have to write it as new innovations. Just handwaved them as 'always there but not acknowledged'

>>28417098
Nasfaq as a whole has THE top navy. They said the entirety has 100 ships of the line.

>>28417334
that was never agreed upon
t. nashag

>>28417237
In /meat/'s case, it's not really meant to be an (IC) advancement - I just didn't know that type of canon exist until Panon (I think) told me about it. The concept of /meat/ using light, short-range chaser guns to fire its magic smoke bombs has been around since March or April, I think.
I don't think /meat/ really has advancements, as I pretty much just stick with the frozen time thing (and never got the note on the world going to 1750 in the first place).

>>28417358
Someone i talked to justified it. Dont know who it was

>>28417334
Luckily theyre all privateers. No centralised navy
Would be too bad if they are going to war but someone outbid and hired them

>>28417409
I cant imagine the use of hiring a ship of the line as a privateer.

>>28417404
Why write advancements when you still havent finished fleshing out existing established tech hihi.

>>28417539
if youre the /meat/ writefag then I got my eyes on you. Everything you write will always have some kind of gamebreaking magitek

>>28417658
Well, if they are, then I will bonk them continuously for such things. I am consistent with bonking

>>28417539
I also sincerely think that being frozen in time has its advantage, given that this is a time of change for /meat/ - the old raider ways are fading but still present, especially in people's mind, while the new way is still on the horizon despite its inevitability.
On a more OOC level, I guess the thing with /meat/'s that many of its unique features are both magical (or at least supernatural) and in things that are hard to quantify in terms of "OP-ness". Then again, balancing around something that doesn't have rigid rules in the first place sounds like an exercise in futility anyway.

>>28417658
He isn't because I am. Do tell if there are said gamebreaking magitek in play in the writing, though!

>>28417098
>mining nation example
I do not have answer to that as of now, youll have to wait for our rep. I do however agree with you that that would be a problem, and if there is some good way to solve it that would satisfy nasfaqg too, it would be cool.

>would they not then band together to defeat the common enemy that is threaten them all?
Yes, which is why I raised the point of countering someone who wants to play vtwbg as a strategy game instead of a writing project being difficult. I do not want nasfaqg to be crippled by someone out-worldbuilding me, and I dont want that to happen to any other nation either. There should be some sort of a "guarantee of existence / guarantee of relevance" for all nations for that exact purpose.Then a foreign nation attacking nasfaqg could be let to write about how they used the rivalry of the companies against themselves, or how they sided with an anti-corporate faction (the existence of which would be justifiable for nasfaqg). its just that we'd still have a chance to actually exist afterwards, even if we allow the "enemy" to use our weaknesses against us.

If the threat of someone making you irrelevant and destroying all your worldbuilding exists, even if it wouldn't be a realistic one, it is in the interest of everyone to try to powergame and / or make their nation's drawbacks not real drawbacks, or something that you could easily write yourself out of.

>>28417745
I think he's referring to the stuffs I write like in here
https://rentry.org/hidhh
>>28417658
>>28417710
Im a proud supporter of the 'rule of cool' faction
We have chuubanite/vtubium magic so why not be innovative with its application
instead of 'magic wand #54938' you got psychic phones and drug bombs

>>28417984
Oh, my mistake, then. I guess we do have multiple writefags around. Still, at least we agree on our view on magic.

How many meat-writers are there?

>>28417984
I just dont want fucking hydrophones man. Cool things are fine

>>28418054
>we agree on our view on magic
The hivemind is real

>>28418072
Yes

>>28417067
thats the issue with chuubanite having to be this scientific thing to begin with that needs to be rooted in being able to be explained in a 100page paper on hwo it radiates and at what rate ect that people stopped perceiving it as a method of magic but instead as a reasonable substitute for advanced science to have their own technology that can compete with the ever growing pushed technology of the "advanced" nations

1750 honestly was also a bad chocie for the current standard as it is too close to the industrial revolution where even the smallest advancement given leads to needing inorganic bans on technologies like assembly lines and steamboats ect while being too far ahead that to be on the standard of the world you NEED to have certain stuff or else you are "behind" and basicly have to rely on the goodwill fo the thread like the risuners.

>>28416807
for the retro reich its Onobots. They are only capable of slowly buidling new ones and to repair themselves. they cannot be aggressors in any conflict by choice. they will not defend the retro reich if the reich decides to be the aggressor in some conflict on their own. they cannot lie and they are naive and foolish.

other than that, aroudn half our navy is up to current standard, the rest of the navy is older and the standing army is too, the nation overall is more akin to 1600's than to 1750 with maybe some exceptions that i cannot think of right now but woudl not be over 1750

if i would ever go through with the battle zeppelin, that one would be a big breaker actually as i remember it right now

>>28418132
i wanna make a joke but seeing as both /meat/ writers got themselves mixed up
>>28417745
>>28417984
you might have a point
post a /meat/ lore and when asked who the author is four different meatheads raise their arms

>>28417962
>There should be some sort of a "guarantee of existence / guarantee of relevance"

with mediators being responsible for the canon lore of their thread this is garantueed. if anyone actaully wants to write a war with you then they also have to work together with you to write it to a saisfactory ending for both nations.

>>28418247
If i am honest, ideal tech would be 1500 to1600s. Would completely avoid the bullshit about OP tech and allow other nations to feel safer at being behind. Why this was not agreeded on is beyond me because i wasnt here.

>>28418462 (me)
The high fantasy theme would fit much better in this era too.

>>28418354
I blame the poster for not specifying which /meat/ writefag it's about

>>28418462
It was originally set around 1500. It was bumped up so that /inf/'s steampunk country won't be *completely* overpowered
I personally won't mind bumping it down again, as unlikely as it might be

>>28418552
Well in a voting process everyone agreed with low fantasy. Discovery-era tech but with minor fantastic elements to supplement it
But some reps are still squeamish about applying said fantastic elements like it's a taboo topic

>>28418596
Inf should have never been given the greenlight in the first placd then. They could have easily had fun with Da Vinci imo. While it would fuck my Saga, I 100% am for pushing tech back.

>>28394747
bah, i need to find the script, anyone got the moriji writing system or font on hand? i left the files on my last computer
also here's every title translated into kat nol:
https://rentry.org/mvmyi

>>28418655
I am squimish solely because I dont enjoy it personally. Its not taboo, and i wasnt here to agree or disagree

>>28418247
>or else you are left behind
It really depends. Iirc In the mid 1830s England steam engines only produce 12000 horsepower compare to millions that water, and wind mills produces. Adoption of technology is slow and depends on many factors. Some states in Vitubia can exploit them faster but they might not be as decisive as you'd think. A lot of soft factors need to be accounted as well. Hard factors like technology often get too laser focused.

>>28418596
Oh yeah, what do you think of the conversation I wrote here
https://rentry.org/e958q
I tried to make it sound Nahuatl-Norse

>>28418596
who decided they should be steam punk????

>>28418247 (me)

before i forget let me add that there exist one Onobot that actually is very perceptive and smart who is there to basicly act as a stopgate for onobots doing too idiot stuff or getting too tricked into somethign and don't go overboard or do something by accident that could be devastating. otherwise he is mostly passive

just want to make sure i mention him now so when he actually shows up later in a story he is not perceived as a cope out i pulled of my arse

>>28418911
I think it's during Borg Cube phase
Clocks wanted steamboats and trains
Everyone said no

>>28418849
I don't actually speak either language (although I did try to make the few bits of Nahuatl I write authentic), but they look fine to me. Good job!
>the dialogue is probably better than mine

>>28418911
They were/are pretty keen on the Frostpunk aesthetics, which I reckon can probably be considered steampunk. I don't remember if that's the exact wording but that's the gist.

>>28418972
then why didnt you bonk them like I get bonk??? I would have so much more fun in 16th century

>>28419027
Maybe if enough of us start writing in "the past"...

>>28417113
for nasfaqg, its high literacy rates lots of money going to research, and tech from elsewhere having made its way there through trade and immigration, i suppose. Nasfaqg is a nation of immigrants in a sense, as there is no dominant native nasfaqgian race. The ka-timak ( https://rentry.org/MerchantLore#the-ka-timak-people ) come closest, as they are a reference to the oshiless people, and the early BUY, SELL, and HOLD posters, but they are not the majority of the population.

>>28419077
but i am not a good story writer, unlike pp senpai…

but what if I like the current tech level? Some threads really want to play with tech, and I dont think it would be fair to take it away from them either.

>>28419134
To be fair, neither am I

>>28419195
Thats fine but the fact that I am constantly having to bonk people over tech is telling. And keep in mind, my vote to roll tech back fucks me so bad. Thats like 40 chapters down the drain.

>>28419302
juat because you are fine with throwing your work in the drain doesnt mean anyone else should be.

>>28419302 (me)
Its either We out right set shit in stone like nothing past 20 years tech, no exceptions and also apply this to “magic” shit too or we roll back.

>>28419302
set up a mandatory reading list regarding the technological development in the 18th to 19th century

>>28419195
My opinion on this:

1. Is the technology something that exists during and before the Enlightenment/Discovery-era?
>Yes
Allow
>No
Proceed to 2

2. Is the technology pure machine or vtubium magitek?
>Pure machine
Proceed to 3
>Vtubium Magitek
Allowed

3. Is the technology limited within the regioini with the appropriate chuuba deity lore?
>Yes
Allowed but only within scope
>No
Not allowed

>>28419415
Would love too put this autist learned this shit from constant study from an early age and i couldnt give you a good list.

>>28419371
the setting is supposed to be punk history, not ultra realistic. You dont have to be as zealous over bonking people.