/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>28316462
Meds.

>>28316462
welp, It's time to use my botnet.

>>28316462
That mean Cover watch Kson as serious treate to them.

>>28316462
That's my girl, top left

>>28316462
Are Kson and Nazuna the fat man and little boy of the chuuba wars?
>>28316521
yes.

Cover fears the Cocock

>>28316462
Cover just show weakness that VshojoJP can be great nemesis to them.

>>28316521
>Serious threat
>only had 13K viewers on her outfit reveal and got less money than Oga's last outfit reveal
>Only had 2.3K viewers yesterday
Nah they just want to make an example of her and kill her off for good. I don't blame them.

>>28316576
Kson is always the wind of change

>>28316462
Yes, and?

>>28316665
> no superchat reading

You never watch her

>>28316521
The sad part is that she really isn’t anymore. She has huge subs but not a ton of views like she used to.
They just probably don’t want people to tune into Mike’s stream, and Kson now for siding with her.

>>28316521
>Kson
More likely Nazuma. Kson is not that relevant nowadays.

Nice, I get to watch an hour of this before checking out Rushia. Good timing.

>>28316858
Coco never have big views except Reddit meme review and Asacoco.

This is ordinary number in BarCoco

>>28316462
why is botan there?

>>28316833
Not an argument. Nobody can say with a straight face that she isn't bleeding viewers like crazy. If this trend keeps up she'll have less viewers than the bottom IDs a year from now.
Face it, the Hololive collab network is too valuable. Especially for her, she's nothing without it.

Man cover really is pathetic huh, not only do they provide shit models and riggins but they are that desperate to avoid male backlash lmfao

>>28316462
>big minecraft collab
>Miko
>no Pekora
For fucks sake Yagoo force them to make peace on stream for everyone to see.

>>28317059
They're both in that Hololive Summer post, he'll force them to have sex on stream instead.

>>28316665
>> got less money than Oga's last outfit reveal
i refuse to believe this is true

>>28316462
When will the Nijisanji reinforcement get there? They were backstabbed too, they wouldn't sit this one out would they?

>>28316665
you are wrong, they don't give a shit about her now, but when she will have enough people in jp branch, she could do that one thing she was so good in 2020, promoting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibWJwbZqzHw

>>28316987
I watching her for 3 years and I can say 2400 ids who are core listeners will stay no matter what.

>>28316987
she's been inclining on Twitch with the EOP audience, she just hasn't streamed there between the vshojo announcement and her redebut

>>28316462
is this for ID minecraft server portal?

>>28317131
it is lmao

>>28316713
The Erebus of Vtubing

>>28317191
no honhe, no money

It's not KSON they fear. It's their former necromancer who mogged everyone pictured and is about to re-open the best GFE in all of vtubing.

She's been practicing her english too, it's super cute. All she has to do is start streaming consistently again and it's over for hololive.

>>28317182
>she's been inclining on Twitch with the EOP audience
Novelty factor. She'll lose them once they figure out she stream nothing but ark and flavor of the month shit.

>>28316462
Where are the peko bombs? Where are the koro missiles?

>>28317131
This stream hadn't sc reading time because she fear Youtube's ban and told Ksonfags to not SC her but sent later stream.

Those retards just not watch stream

>>28316462
>Debut EN males to catch Luxiem and notycx
>Put a big collab slot on Vshoujo debut
Cove is still arguably the biggest vtuber agency, yet They are so insecure about Whorejo JP debut and Nijigay success. Why cover? Are your investors as insecure as /vt/ users?

>>28316987
honestly I dont think it will be that bad. She will lose some of the people that were watching as she used to be coco but she will pick up alot of EOP vshojo audience. I just think its a really strange way to go about building your JP branch by relying on En for your growth

>>28317131
It is, tatsukeks will COPE by saying she didn't have to give cover a cut and therefore made more money. Completely ignoring the fact that she had to pay for her outfit and Oga didn't.

>>28317253
But their male members are targeting a Western audience not China, and this collab was planned week ago with multiple people doing prep for it on stream
Shitposters never were concerned with facts though

>>28317253
Fishtank successfully kneecapped nijigirls. Why stop doing it if it works.

What has to happen for them to force a Gura/Kobo?

>>28317291
> She said to not send SC because she fear stream may be banned.
> She asked us to send SC at next stream
> No SC reading time.

Sana graduating, Vshojo Japan debuting 2 ex-Hololive members, Holostars EN debut... Myth lazy and burned out, Council widely unpopular ... why does it feel like vtubing as a whole is racing to the point of implosion and death? It's almost unrecognizable as the thing I fell in love with years ago

>>28317291
ok, ok, Oga-kun mogged kson, oh my what she will do now, she is starving, oh wait, just make zatsudan with sc reading.

>>28317408
Who the fuck cares about the superchats. She has less views these days than the average IDs.
Vshojo Japan is dead on arrival.

>>28317420
Because Coco was graduated unironically. It's went downhill from that point.

>>28317420
Because you're retarded and spend your time reading bait threads instead of watching streams, so your opinion is not based on actual reality

>>28317471
Why are Tatsukeks proud about being part of a findom cult that's shrinking by the day?

>>28317475
now write the same thing without shaking nervously

>>28317546
Can't contradict facts huh?
I accept your concession tatsukek.

>>28317475
Coco never had massive views except Asacoco, Reddit Meme review and Collab

>>28317408
IDK if this is a very holocentric point of view but no SC reading time on a outfit reveal is the norm isn't it?
And how much did she make on the next stream if she was asking people not to donate on the outfit reveal?

>>28316462
>first holo summer
>now this
youre making it too obvious yagoo

>>28317543
Because we understand and truth our's oshi. But may be you can't

>>28317253
>Cover is still arguably the biggest vtuber agency
Roru, rumao even. The only way you can make it true is by adding "in the SEA" to your statement.

>>28316462
They are scared as fuck.

>>28317642
Hololive summer is just Comiket goods

>>28317680
Ogey

>>28317218
>All she has to do is start streaming consistently
I guess cover is safe then.

>>28317692
really? all those holofags yesterday were ready to stroke their dicks, and they got that, kek.

>>28317680
>13K on an outfit reveal

>>28316833
>> no superchat reading
Somehow this is never a valid argument when it comes to other holos who don't get many superchats, like Laplus.

>>28317643
1. It's not a norm but aware about Youtube ban so no SC reading.

2. Did not check. Can you do us a favor?

>>28317749
at lest she has an outfit

>>28317800
oof

>>28317739
kek

>>28317420
>Council widely unpopular
Seems an exaggeration, they didn't met the popularity Myth had from "first holoen" buff but they are doing great as it is. Their trio is doing better than Ametakamori and on the Ina line ccv number wise.

>>28317253
NijiEN would never even debut without the existence of Myth you faggot

>>28317763
Ksonfags usually sent SC only in SC reading time and they not sent SC because she fear about Youtube ban and told us about this.

You should check Gundam from America stream.

>>28317856
Council got massive debuff from Omega and Sana

>>28317961
So then you agree that someone who doesn't read superchats doesn't get a lot of superchats and the same argument can be applied to literally any holo.

>>28316462
Nippon Pelindung Asia.
Nippon Pemimpin Asia.
Nippon Cahaya Asia

>>28317723
>faggot sorted it by absolutely useless metric "average CCV" when holowhores never stream which basically floods the entire holo fanbase into single streams.
In the meantime HoloJP rapes HoloJP and NijiEN rapes HoloEM in important "hours watched" metric.
And what is the only Holo branch that is better than Niji's equivalent in important metric? That's right, Holo's seaning branch.
RUMAO

I dont get why holofags keep attacking and are so threatened by vshojo and kson they dont even have the same fanbase. Unlike nijisanji we dont really take baits or care or attack your idol vtuber taste or group you guys can continue to cope and seethe but we will just keep watching kson as always

>>28317856
Fauna has more average viewers than everyone in vshojo, and that's not even considering that twitch numbers are always higher because they don't filter them like youtube does
Widely unpopular indeed

>>28318140 (me)
Everyone in vshojo except ironmouse*

>>28318134
Btw dont include us nijifans its really just a small group of holochildren shitting up the catalog with falseflags and spam bait threads we’ve been dealing with the same kids for years now. Welcome to /vt/ catalog vshojofags

>>28318071
No, it just single time only and she warn us beforehand. It's not her norm.

>>28318134
>>28318309
Explain why hololive fans would be the ones spamming anti-hololive bait threads (like this one) in the catalog nonstop

>>28318309
why tho? nijidex is full of streams when vshoujojp debuts too

>>28318117
buffling post

>>28318134
Because they know how based they are.
They was alliance.

>>28318117
If more people watch them they're more popular anon, it doesn't matter how many hours of streams other people grind to make up for it
You can literally remove the 5 most popular holos and 69 least popular nijis from the equation and hololive is still the most popular by a 35% margin

>>28316521
imagine being this delusional after 13k ccv on outfit reveal stream, it's too sad i can't even laugh

>>28318373
But she reads superchats for every stream, right?

>>28318379
Its obviously false flagging faggot im pretty sure its not us we dont care about your idolfaggotry vshojo and ksonfags stay in general threads.
Is it the nijifags? Maybe but we could care less

>>28316521
learn english

>>28318117
>important "hours watched" metric
It's not important because it's not even a real metric. You don't know the actual hours watched.

>>28318730
It's people who don't watch any of them and just want to start shit because they're console war toddlers from /v/ anon
Nobody who actually watches streams from any group ever goes outside their general because the board is shit

>>28316462
They always did this to both JP and EN Niji events, guess Vshojo(JP) is at the same level of threat as Niji to them now

>>28318554
Looks like you are too dumb to understand what I was talking about.
Fine, I'll explain with simpler numbers:
Niji total fanbase has 200 people, Holo's has 100 people.
Because Niji has much more streams, those 200 spread thinly, resulting in lower ccv. Holo barely streams, and pumps all of their 100 viewers in almost every stream and retarded numberfags think "wow, they are so popular, most of their streamers gets near 100 ccv".

>>28316462
what war lmao? against measly 2-5k ksonkeks? wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
fucking Aki mogged her playing the same game (Ark) yesterday
Aki - 6k
Kson - 3k

>>28318802
>It's not important because it's not even a real metric. You don't know the actual hours watched.
That's actually true and I fully agree with you on that. But average ccv is just as terrible or even more terrible than that.

>>28318864
Its really weird that kson and vshojo fans are the more passive group out of this you would think they would be the most immature out of the 3

>>28318951
>Niji total fanbase has 200 people, Holo's has 100 people.
You pulled this part from your ass though
Koshien was always the benchmark for Niji's fanbase all pulling together for an event and one of those streams just got beaten by Pekora playing Uno

>>28318730
>its not us we dont care about your idolfaggotry vshojo and ksonfags stay in general threads
You're literally in this thread right now so you clearly don't stay in general threads.

>>28316462
>Mio and Iroha in the same collab
aaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>28319033
It's really weird how anon said nothing like that but you act like you've been personally attacked just becuase he didn't agree that it's the evil holobronies who are doing it.

>>28318966
Anon, you are forgetting that 1 twitch viewer = ~15 youtube viewers

>>28318951
that would only be true if you first divide the total hours watched by total hours streamed
1 person watching a 2 hours stream is not twice of a person watching a 1 hour stream

>>28319033
I used to shit up the boards 10 years ago man but im too old for that shit honestly. I just wanna watch nyanners now and laugh at her cringe and im happy we get “new” friends to fuck with

>>28319017
>But average ccv is just as terrible or even more terrible than that.
Wrong, because you can actually see the number and it represents the number of people watching the stream simultaneously (not going argument about muh culling, bots or anything else).
You literally do not know how many hours of a stream someone has watched because that's not available anywhere. Hours watched is an ENTIRELY made up number on the user side.

>>28319151
What? Twitch counts everything as a viewer, muted, embeds, minimised, all counts.

>>28319150
I mean its just weird the catalog is basically just shitting on the new holomen en or kson/vshojo outside of general. Really paints a picture that most of the shitposters here bored children that only watches holoclips on youtube or else they would be watching right now since its prime time for jp vtubers atm

>>28317420
>council widely unpopular

anon, council consistently getting 10k ccv, that is like top en streamers even on twitch, council is mogging nijien and vshojo hard at this point

>>28319041
>You pulled this part from your ass though
Bruh, I literally wrote "I'll explain with simpler numbers". I imagined those simpler numbers to simplify the explanation to the dumb anon.
>Koshien was always the benchmark for Niji's fanbase all pulling together for an event and one of those streams just got beaten by Pekora playing Uno
This is wrong in so many ways. First, it's not pulling all of fanbase together, as a fuck ton of people wouldn't be a fan of the content. Second, your comparison with Pekora's stream is also dumb, as she never beat the main even or even secondary events. She most likely only beat a stream when one of participants just making a team or something. But once again, I would counter that Pekora's Uno with another top Holo chuuba + another 2 holo chuubas barely beat someone doing a solo stream.

>>28319381
>shitting on holo
>"it's the holofags!"
>shitting on someone else
>"it's the holofags!"

>>28318117
baffling post

>>28319511
Not us i swear
-nijiniglet

>>28318117
at least speak english properly anon

>>28319198
Absolutely wrong. Total hours displays how much time was spent on a branch regardless of hours streamed.

>>28317350
A lioness will use all her strength even when hunting a rabbit.

>>28319502
Your argument is still essentially that every viewer that each member of each agency has is unique, which is retarded
There’s no good way to estimate total audience size but it’s indisputable that hololive members are, on average, far more popular than everyone else

>>28319356
Already discussed that having a few streams with high ccv is not better than having a shit ton of streams with high, medium and low ccv

>>28317253
A lioness will use all her strength even when hunting a rabbit.

>ITT tatsukeks using any retarded metric to try and lie to themselves and tell themselves Kson isn't more irrelevant than ID when it comes to the amount of people watching streams

>>28318951
cope harder nijiseethe, even without pekora or holo "1st army" against niji top 32 talents, holo still won hard see >>28317723

why are numberniggers like this?

>>28319375
Yes, but yt is botted

>>28316462
Hololive is launching large offensive to Vshojo in this summer?

>>28319802
So is twitch, just look at more popular streams viewer lists.

>>28319736
You're now claiming that nobody in hololive has a shit ton of streams with high ccv.

>>28319696
>Your argument is still essentially that every viewer that each member of each agency has is unique, which is retarded
You know what is even more retarded? Judging the size of fanbase by it's average CCV. By that logic, Niji could theoretically make only 1 stream from 1 chuuba every month with 200k+ ccv and absolutely mog Holo in that metric.

>>28319736
It really isn’t, because the people with low viewers have to work 5 times as hard to make up the watch time, and then don’t have time for other projects like original songs or whatever
This is also all ignoring that you’re looking an an estimate of live watch time and most hololive members (EN especially) also get monster VOD numbers far above the average

>>28317059
pegor have 3d live tomorrow

>>28317350
Then why don't just stick to holoStars JP? The reason why HoloEN exists because there is a demand to create EN version of Hololive. If you don't have any demand to make EN version of stars, then why bother to create it.

>>28317680
No, Hololive still have massive presence in JP you retard

>>28317949
Yeah, thanks to reminded me again You ENshart is the reason why Nijifujos and Whorejo exists. Also good riddance for cover removing lazy sana.

>>28317800
Kek

>>28319974
Yes, I would agree that someone who gets 200k viewers every stream is popular even if they only streamed an hour a month
I’m not sure what your point is since Hololive and Niji’s per member average stream time is only an hour apart, and that’s with a bunch of hololive members on hiatus

Rent free

>>28319783
Yeah, just like Pekora anniversary countdown got mogged by 7 Niji streams right now. Fucking kek

>>28320089
There was no proven demand for HoloEN either as far as Cover were concerned, they literally estimated they’d get 300 viewers (based on ID streaming mostly in English but still barely getting watched)

>>28319477

>>28317676
stupid fucking ESL

>>28320089
>Hololive still have massive presence in JP you retard
I am not arguing against that. They are pretty big in JP. But Niji is about 2 times larger in JP than Holo

>>28320151
Does constantly spamming bait threads not constitute rent

>>28318077
BASED. Aku daftar jadi sukarelawan untuk PETA! Hidup Kaisar!

>>28320329
You think this is spam? Wait till tommorow when rushia debuts

>>28320257
>Using subscription count as a relevant metric

>>28320257
>subscriptions
So you’d agree that Gura and Mori are the best active vtubers?

>>28320134
You absolutely missed the point.
Those theoretical 200k+ are not because chuuba is popular, but because agency flowed all of it's fanbase into these streams. Holo, essentially, in some way, doing it with it's rare streams.

>>28320386
I judge JPs by VOD views, ENs by CCV and IDs by superchat.

>>28320296
I think it’s far closer than that these days, although Niji probably still edge it out

>>28319622
lol no
you just counted 200 hours watched as if 200 people watched for 1 hour, that's wrong
if they streamed for 200 hours the viewerbase is only 1 person

>>28320296
You're still stuck in 2020 anon.

>>28320296
Did you just wake up from 2 years coma?
>and your still a dreaming FAGGOT?

>>28320588
Yeah, it's really difficult to tell due to HoloJp having a lot of western viewers, so we can't really tell how popular they are among purely JP fanbase.
But if we use google trends as a measurement then Niji's JP audience fluctuates being between 1.5-2.5 times larger than Holo's JP audience. I wouldn't take it as the most precise tool, but that's much more precise than looking at their average ccv.

>>28317350
You know Cover had advance notice of VSJP's debuts, right? You're not so naive as to believe they hadn't learned about it before the public, right?

>>28320799
>if they streamed for 200 hours the viewerbase is only 1 person
Or 200 people each watching 1 hour or 100 people each watching 2 hours or thousands of other combinations in between.
You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Go to school, get a bit smarter before joining discussions.

>>28320996
>google trends
No anon. Even the numbers thread knows this is laughable, and they're retards
You can literally make it show either company being more popular depending on how you enter your query because it's a garbage tool for anything but mainstream western interests

>>28321184
>Even the numbers thread
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.
Let me give you a tip. If /#/ something is wrong then it's definitely right.

>>28321249
Google Trends being useless is the one thing they're right on, I assume you're the anon who keeps trying to post it there and getting laughed out

>>28316462
kek
OP is a tribalfag so obsessed he is stalking the vshojo, kson and mike generals

If one year ago when Coco graduated and her fans were flocking to Kson, if by then someone said that one year from now /vt/ will mock Kson for having fewer ccv than Holo ID, I will call them crazy.

>>28321154
For them to have more fans they'd have to have worse viewer retention, meaning their viewers are less dedicated, which is worse

>>28321313
Never posted it myself, but seen several people posting it and even trying to explain how it actually works and why it's not useless.
You know why /#/ is avoiding it? Because /#/ is a holocope thread. Of course they'll avoid everything that shows that Holo isn't as big as they believe.

>>28321421
>For them to have more fans
Now you are talking absolute nonsense and in abstract terms. What fans? Do they really have more?
If you are talking about subscribers, you'll automatically become and idiot.

>>28317131
The boys make good money from their gachikoi fans, don't let the low views/subscribers fool you.

Holobros....what happens if, and I know this will never happen, but what if KSON and Rushia mog this holo-counter stream? Does that mean we...lost?

>>28321458
The problem is that Nijisanji has a trends topic and Hololive doesn't, making the two impossible to effectively compare because of how Google Trends works (it groups and filters searches for one but not the other)
The Niji topic isn't even complete, since it shows no increase in interest when Salome appeared because it doesn't know she's related to them

>>28322020
>The problem is that Nijisanji has a trends topic and Hololive doesn't
That's why I am not using topic to compare them, but rather terms "nijisanji" vs"hololive" to compare western queries and "に じ さん じ" vs "ホロライブ" to compare japanese queries. Works perfectly and I don't see any reasons of it being incorrect.
>The Niji topic isn't even complete
For me it's complete - perfectly shows all interests increases, including Salome's. And it's looks pretty legit as it's almost perfectly equals to a combination of "nijisanji" and "に じ さん じ".
Fun fact, hololive has a tag "Hololive Production" with a type "Entertainment company". In the past it was as legit as Nijisanji topic, so I used to compare them, but after some time it, for some reasons, started to display only western queries and I stopped using it.

>>28321154
>it could be anything!
then there's no argument whichever way and you're just pulling shit out your ass
so i'm going to assume 10 different identity for each our watching hololive so that will increase their viewer base by 10x

whatever not worth my time

>>28322567
Jesus Almighty, this is the most ESL post since the creation of 4chan.

>>28321945
I will LITERALLY drink water

>>28321945
Not gonna happen, Niji is gonna move their Koshien finals on the western front.

Is whatever you guys do in this thread more fun than watching streams?
I just don't understand the catalog.

>>28322559
The company names alone are useless because it doesn't account for people searching for individual members. By your method a search for 兎田ぺこら does not represent interest in hololive
The Nijisanji topic sort of works, but is clearly missing various people because it doesn't always change in line with current events like you'd expect
You can't just search for everyone and add them up because the scale changes depending on the terms you've entered
So yes, it's useless for this

>>28317059
>pegomigo seethe
holy shit you've been at this longer than the chinks let it go

>>28316462
>Botan
>Migo
>Sheep
>Mio
As you can see they've gathered their strongest fighters

>>28317133
No more, VshojoJP hired the EX-COO of Anycolor who ran Nijisanji during its golden age.

>Hololive is afraid
Good.
Their whores have getting to complacent, firing Sana was the first warning to the rest of them, shape up or fuck off.

>>28317133
>>28327505
niji has good relationship with its ex-COO and Vshoujo tho

>>28324260
Neither my oshi nor any of my favorite members is streaming, anon