/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>28093977
pako is a trash artist who designs trash fgo servants only liked by contrarians who hate more popular servants

>>28093977
I mean there was also the lack of original content at the beginning and the lack of ANY content at the end
But sure, you can blame the model

She was black.

No, IryS proves that entertaining content can surpass the nerf of a questionable model.

She just didn't stream and preferred to interact on her other account.

her scuffed spine killed her, her streaming style was completely turned on its head after she could no longer bear to sit and stream for 10 hours at a time, and the looming prospect of being unable to perform in 3D forced her to decide to quit rather than cling on and be seen as a disappointment among Council

>the model is the reason she didn't stream for months at a time, update her fans, or even do Twitter spaces

No, her sitting on her ass and not streaming one month after debut killed her.
Amazing how she can suddenly do multiple collabs a day now. Guess her back miraculously cured itself.

>>28094058
>I mean there was also the lack of original content at the beginning
Not a problem for any of the other chuubas who all recycle the same content ad nauseam.

Reminder

>>28093977
She is just boring, barely streams and has 0 chemistry with other girls.

That long ass break because of a fucking dog killed her. Also she isnt even good at anything from what I heard. When you have zero charisma and a dopey looking model she was bound to fail.
Look at IRyS model, she looks like a interdimensional goblin cosplaying as an idol but at least she has appeal to her like singing and shit. The only other one with a scuffed model is Anya

>>28094573
Anya's fat tits are the greatest thing ever drawn, you fucking faggot.

Sana didn't have enough talent freedom

>>28093977
>Sanas model
>Scuffed
We really are scraping the bottom of the barrel with Sana baits?

>>28094622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzP8sjePHcE
From her own fucking mouth

someone posted her roommate once and i saw it before it got taken down. idk why but knowing that she’s really fat and REALLY ugly like the ugliest woman I’ve ever seen made it impossible for me to watch her again.

>>28094195
If Irys had a better model she'd be massive. If Kronii had Irys' model she'd be smaller than Sana was. Of course you can overcome a bad model just like a good model can carry you. But Sanas model did her 0 favors. It was ugly as shit and low effort.

>>28094895
>Source
>My ass

>>28094292
And they still manage to be entertaining when they do it
Sana not so much

>>28094573
Isn't she leaving partly because her artistic side gig is doing so well?

>>28093977
I always had hard time understanding her thick accent. It's like she has a mouthful of petrol or something.

>>28095187
Whats the name of her side gig?

>>28094989
There is no source for speculation nigger. You have to go back, tourist.

>>28094767
Holobronies are scum.

>>28094505
Look at Kronii and tell me she doesn't have exactly the same issues except she's the biggest streamer in the council because of her model.

Once you're signed to HoloLive the second biggest variable to your success is your model, there's just no getting around that. Vtubing is a visual and auditory medium, if the visual side is off that's half of your appeal down the shitter.

>>28093977
honestly she herself could have made a better model than pako, her artstyle is very cute

>>28095347
Being a professional gacha artist. FGO and chink shit.

>>28093977
had they given her a loli body she would be the most popular

>>28093977
>she just needed more subs to motivate her to stream
Then she deserves to leave.

>>28095430
>>28095444
Who are you people and why are you so angry all the time? Why does Sana and Hololive drive you up the fucking wall? Is it because she was more popular than your 2view oshi?

>>28095609
As someone who has been working as an artist including on major games for the last 10 years, there is no way she makes comparable money as an artist to what she would be earning as a VTuber, especially as an illustrator which has some of the shittiest pay out of all art jobs, unless she has an absolutely massive patreon.

>>28093977
>Sanalite copium reaching near the final stages
Waiting for tomorrow's "The anti's bullied Sana into graduating" post

>>28094052
say that to my face fucker

>>28094402
Why are catalogue niggers like this?

>>28095187
>doing so well
artists for these types of things are freelance, no?
It's not a reliable source of income.

>>28094402

>>28094279
>Amazing how she can suddenly do multiple collabs a day now. Guess her back miraculously cured itself.
This. Anybody who thinks "back problems" caused this is a fucking imbecile. Kiara has something similar to fibromyalgia and has no issues streaming on a regular basis. Sana obviously accepted the job on a whim and had no idea how in over her head she was until a few weeks into it. Being "overloaded with her side job" is nonsense too, since Ina shown there are ways to balance both her chink contracts and Hololive duties.

It's clear she got in too deep, was handed a shit model, didn't like it or the job, kept putting off streaming because she had no actual passion for it and eventually decided to call it quits.

>>28093977
Niggers here never saw Lizard-face Flare. The model can be a debuff but you can go past that just by hard work and personality.

>>28095347
Namie @Namgoreng

>>28096901
I don't want to be the ackchyually guy but since March she's been pretty much streaming at least once a week + call-ins and spaces. There are more collabs because they are basically for saying farewell but I wouldn't be surprised that the actual streaming time is about the same per week; she isn't streaming everyday now, not even half of the days out of the week.

But again, this is a more reasonable take and doesn't feed the rrats, so please feel free to process this with contempt .

No more dark skin models. They just aren’t popular.

>SANA IS IN TOO MUCH PAIN, SHE CAN'T SIT FOR LONG AND STAYS IN BED
>goes to the hair salon on her actual birthday followed by a shopping spree

>>28097483
*in a wheel chair

wtf is this disease and why so many vtubers have it

>>28094052
The only person who had more servants than him are Takeuchi, Wada, and Raita.

The seethe in this thread is delicious and no one has to even bait for it. Based Sana created self sustaining seethe system.

>>28096901
Dude. Some people can push herself for another 2 weeks or so, but not for years. Even then she do not stream day-and-night like say, Coco.

>>28097396]
>but since March she's been pretty much streaming at least once a week + call-ins and spaces.
I mean, yeah I get that. Because she alluded to trying to make it work since back when she received lots of support from fans around Valentine's Day. So she's probably been trying harder and still came to the same conclusion that it's not for her.

>>28093977
not streaming affected her more, it sucks, but please just move on

>>28093977
Eh, I actually liked her model. Its pretty cute. Also on the design sheet, Sana actually looks really good. The August Hololive EN calendar looks pretty good, especially when lined with July's.

I unironically think that she’d be way more successful if her skin colour was white. and this applies to Flare too

>>28093977
It was a perfect storm of mediocrity
Bad design, bad content planning, bad personality... she'd be nothing without the hololive stamp

>>28097580
>why so many vtubers have it
Because its symptoms are so general and vague that pretty much anyone who suffers the effects of an unhealthy sedentary lifestyle can selfdiagnose themselves with it. Same with all the dopamine addled zoomers who spend all day on social media and ADHD.

>>28094279
m8 she's gonna suck it and bare any pain if it's her last fuckin' month to do this shit. Her schedule's suddenly shifted from a marathon to a sprint, the requirements changed.

>>28095187
I really doubt illustrating for gacha pays nore than hololive lul

>>28097580
>wtf is this disease and why so many vtubers have it
It's a fake "disease" with a billion symptoms that could easily be ascribed to a shitload of other things.

>>28093977
I wish they made her face like an Oneesan instead of a generic side character on every anime.

>>28094402

I aint gonna read that FAGGOT!

>>28097580
FIbromyalgia is treated as a catch-all for when doctors can't figure out what's wrong with you but your symptoms boil down to "things hurt and don't work so good". We used to just call it getting older.

>>28097971
I think it's just the design
For me the weird hair and accessories don't work that well

>>28095938
Has she actually had trouble with antis tho? I've seen some normie site discussion about this the past 2 days and NONE of them are shitting on her like /vt/ is lel. Everyone's convinced it's 100% the back injury, nobody even mentions the contract streaming quota, kinda makes me wonder what she did to piss off this place so much specifically.

>>28098468
Just change her face to Oneesan mode and viola! Top council subs.

>>28097580
I experience 9 out of these symptoms regularly, am I dying.

>>28093977
Weird hair dangos and a butterface and I say that as a fan

You can put Sana in any other Council model, and her voice and lack of streaming would still be a much bigger filter than her model ever was.

If Cover had found someone with Elira's voice to give the model to, it'd have been kino

>>28097580
It's the "depression" of illnesses.

>>28098534
It's whatever narrative Sanalite and/or Sana spin. If she came out today and said Yagoo and Omega demanded too much from her, the narrative would be that no matter what info countered it

>>28094989
Retard

>>28098824
That doesn't actually answer the question tho.

>>28094887
I can get the butterface (lucky you if that's the ugliest you've ever seen) but the fuck you'd get fat from?

>>28093977
This is 100% Chinese political shit. With the new arknights game and her role in it, her rm was obviously given an ultimatum.

>>28093977
If scuffed model could kill a Holo, then Gura, Aki, Kiara, Irys, none of them would be around anymore.

>>28098824
These evil Sanalites, are they talking to you right now? Are they out to get you?

>>28098658

>>28094887
sana’s the only one I’ve never looked up because everyone else has already mentioned she’s ugly irl. Now that’s she’s out I have even less reason to want to know

>>28098126
Illustrating for Chinese gacha games pays bank. That’s how they get artists to do it, by outbidding the Japanese

>>28099112
She had "trouble" via some people spamming the "SANA YOUR DOG DIED LETS GOOO" or equivalent, but that lasted for maybe a day
Other than that, you could say she was being "anti'd" by antis when people said she doesn't stream, or that she gives more effort into Genshin than she does streaming.

But again, if thats being bullied, then any form of criticism is bullying now too

>>28098534
I don't think this is more than some people just being bitter and their twisted personality that brought them onto 4chan in the first place that is making them over exaggerate their dislike or they literally enjoy shitting on people who feel sad about this and getting reactions out of them gives them pleasure.

>>28097580
It's the microplastics in our bodies

>>28097580
You'll find that the only people claiming to suffer from it are women. Specifically western women only.
Make of that what you will.

>>28099347
shit fuck stop it

>>28094573
My only problem with Anya is her eyes, I don't understand why they chose such a bland, expressionless eye style

>>28098534
Whether she's had trouble or not is irrelevant. Anti's are the perfect catch all excuse. They're simultaneously everywhere and nowhere. One guy's comment at the very last page on youtube is enough to have an anti "problem"

>>28093977
People want a smaller fanbase so they can get more attention, but then the chuuba ends up quitting. Double-edged sword.

>>28098534
>Has she actually had trouble with antis tho?
If by trouble you mean people talking in shit in places she can see(assuming she isn't /here/) then no. Nobody has been going on her streams and talking trash about her in chat that I've seen. There's really no reason to break containment on this shit since even if you really hate her(I don't) she's already on her way out the door and nothing will change the past.

>kinda makes me wonder what she did to piss off this place so much
As for what has /vt/'s panties in a bunch, that's actually a really simple question to answer. There is a very good chance that Sana was a nepotism hire. Out of all the people in the world, a childhood friend of one of the Myth talents gets in? Not a coincidence. This means she didn't go through auditions in the first place. More importantly, it means people auditioned for a role they had literally 0% chance to get. This rightly pisses off the indies who auditioned because a slot was reserved for someone who couldn't handle the job and that's unfair.

It also rightly pisses off some fans of HoloEN, and even some who aren't, because it means that instead of getting a potentially really good Sana that would be fun to watch for years to come and become oshi to a lot of people... We got one that didn't stream and eventually announced her graduation while laughing.

>>28099794
If you go by "lore" then it kinda fits I guess since she's the anthropomorphic form of an inanimate albeit magic object.
Even the robots like Roboco and Rikka have faces because robots have faces.
A knife has no face.

>>28098534
This place has attracted a lot of toxic dramafags who falseflag all day calling every girl a whore and every fan an incel.

>>28093977
Nigger it was her lack of streaming. Her model was a major debuff but she could have been successful in spite of it if she streamed.

She got fired because she never bothered to stream?
Make sense.

>>28097798
Yee, I'm more arguing against what I understood of the anon's point, like she could have easily streamed more but she just didn't because she's supposedly streaming more in her last month. His permise is wrong.

>>28099435
it's freelance, it's not a reliable source of income

>>28097296
I can't find any info about this being Sana at all. Can anyone else confirm?

>>28100488
Neither is begging for youtube donations. She's big enough in the artis world to easily find well paid job

>>28100488
She’s good at it, she can save up money, and she can get more income from quitting Hololive to focus on art than she can quitting art to focus on Hololive.

There is a point at which the freelance part isn’t as important anymore, and while I’m sure making her income stream more reliable was Sana’s original goal, that’s no longer viable at this point.

Either way, choosing the art is still the smart choice here. Her chances of still being a successful artist in five years are still a hell of a lot better than still being in Hololive, if she didn’t quit now.

>>28100805
I mean how long does a vtubing career last for these big corpo vtubers? Are there any real ceiling like an actual idol group?

>>28100488
>>28100805 (me)
Also needed to add that she’s drawing for Genshin and Arknights. Genshin in particular has shittons of Chinese money thrown at it. She not only probably got paid bank for that, but being able to have that on her portfolio/resume is huge.

Also, I know some Chinese games (probably not Genshin) allow artists to keep the rights to the art. Who knows how much more money she makes if some of her clients let her do that.

>>28099998
>toxic
I guess it also attracted newfags and twittertards.

>>28098534
Antis made her stop the horoscope streams which was retarded because members pointed out very few people were even complaining but Sana didn't want to step on more toes
So much for "fuck you teehee"

>>28099478
Yeah see that's kinda what I'm saying.
I've only ever seen any of this shit mentioned on /vt/.
So unless the DEAD DOG IKZ spam was on Twitter or directly in her chat, has she ever actually had to face a dedicated anti problem directly?
>>28099907
This is what I meant yeah, cheers.
>More importantly, it means people auditioned for a role they had literally 0% chance to get.
I was of the assumption Ina might've at-most put in a good word or got her the best spot in the queue. If the rrat's that she never even had to go through the process then the hate does suddenly make a lot more sense. Thanks for clearing that up anon.

>>28100943
There definitely aren’t for artists, while we’re not really sure for corpo vtubers. I’d say longevity for artists is much more of a sure thing.

>>28100805
Do you have any idea how much money hololive paypigs throw at their idols? The scraps you earn by scribbling illustrations for gacha companies on a per-contract basis absolutely pale in comparison. The art industry is also constantly changing, getting more competitive and pay getting lower all the time. As amazing as her art might be, there are loads of artists on that level and almost none of them are making bank. They work very long hours and make less than average office jobs. She struck gold by signing to the biggest vtuber agency with the most loyal paypig fans and she's throwing it away.

>>28101002
>"fuck you teehee"
This was an ad verbatim quote from a stream right? Looked for a clip after seeing posters cite it yesterday, couldn't find anything.

>>28099907
The nepotism complaint only applies to 2views who want their golden ticket. HoloJPs got some of their friends on board and it's a good thing for the fans if the girls have some synergy.
The only legitimate complaint is Sana going on hiatus too much. She'd do an endurance length stream and then vanish.

>>28101071
I’m talking about Sana right now. Sana right *now* is getting mogged by Kaela. She is literally the least popular girl in Hololive through all branches. I’d agree with you if this was after debut, but at THIS point, that sort of success is not gonna happen because she *already* pissed away the momentum.

At *this point*, the art is more secure a job for her than being in Hololive because her chances of unfucking herself from all the debuffs is way lower than her chances of not being able to make money from her art.

>>28100961
Toxic has been a gamer term for ages. If you want a twittertard term, try problematic.

>>28101071
TBF Youtube's algorithm fucked her around a few times at the start and deleted all of her subs (twice, IIRC?), hence the NUMBERS powergap between her & the rest of EN.
Point being her reach was handicapped out of the gate. I'd presume that'd equate to fewer paypigs overall. How much has she, specifically, been making off of superchats etc. compared to her co-workers? Seriously there are sites to check that right?

>>28100805
>>28100957
You get paid by commission
You draw one artwork for a game and it's done. The payment for a commission isn't going to last you a year, probably not even a few months.

The game might commission more from you but it's probably not steady, they probably won't be requesting artwork from you every month.

>>28101196
Fair enough. I don't think her career is as dead and dusted as you make it sound though. If she was to suddenly become consistent at streaming I don't see why she wouldn't be able to turn it around, with the resources and existing subs she has at her disposal. That's not to say I think it's likely to happen, just that its almost entirely up to her and what she puts into it.

>>28101381
>TBF Youtube's algorithm fucked her around a few times at the start and deleted all of her subs (twice, IIRC?),
I blame the chinese

>>28101071
>The scraps you earn by scribbling illustrations for gacha companies
>Mihoyo
>scraps

That's the tech equivalent of FAGMAN scraps, and let me tell you, you can live comfortably and save up a comfortable retirement off those.

>>28095873
Maybe her family is rich and she doesn't have to try for shit.

>>28101382
If you get commisioned to design a character, you're probably will get more job/commision from that same game especially if the character is popular. You can get design commision for new version/costume of that chara, promo art for that chara's birthday, and many more.

>>28101196
>Sana right *now* is getting mogged by Kaela
for CCV? Sana gets like 3K+ every stream. It may not be much in hololive standards, but it blows away pretty much everyone else. People will superchat, people will buy memberships, people will buy her merch.

Her being an artist is not going to be more successful

This has to be the most retarded thread in the history of this board.

>>28101196
She can still just coast in Hololive as a side gig. Her views aren't that low. The only reason to quit would be management demanding too much of her time, or she just doesn't enjoy it.

>>28100957
>Genshin in particular has shittons of Chinese money thrown at it. She not only probably got paid bank for that, but being able to have that on her portfolio/resume is huge.
I only have experience with western clients, but if big asian clients are anything alike, the ratio between presigious client and level of pay is often inversely proportional. A lot of people do work for big clients on the cheap because it looks good on your portfolio like you said. Hearthstone is a good example of this, it's a game that rakes in a fuckload of money but the artists who paint the cards might as well be doing it on a pro-bono basis, the pay is that low. As a counterexample though, Riot is known to pay very well for their illustrations especially from top artists, so it's not unheard of.
I hope Genshin and these other clients are more like the latter example, but I just wanted to add some perspective.

>>28101592
yeah, but how often does that happen? Characters don't get skins every month. Maybe for a birthday, but still that's 1 commision a year. You can't live off of that.

I feel like it's not really reliable compared to streaming, where you can get constant memberships and superchats.

>>28101581
I mean it's a lot easier to be artist when your family is rich. But I think in her case she's just a weeb who likes drawing too much.

>>28101406
I didn’t mean to make it sound as if her streaming career was absolutely, certainly dead. More that in order to revive it, she’d have to drop the stuff she’s doing on the side now, and the chances of it being worth it are far from 100%. I think it’s possible, I just think the smart move is to cut her losses.

>>28094622
no wonder shes on the low end of ID. hate yourself and others will too.

>>28094052
>pako is a trash artist
fpbp

>>28101382
>You draw one artwork for a game and it's done. The payment for a commission isn't going to last you a year, probably not even a few months.
Wow so it's like a job you need to work 8hrs every day to get by.

>>28101709
I think with Chinese games it works differently, since they’re competing with JP and know that other than money, everything else about them is a debuff. If I had to guess, I’d think Genshin at least paid a lot of money at the start. And if they did then, it’d be pretty silly to suddenly offer less once they got big if previous artists mention to their friends how much they get paid.

>>28101709
Whereas globohomos can bank on romanticism, prestige, culture, whatever buzzword , chinks actually pay because otherwise no one will put up with them. In fact that's literally the main reason why chinks put up with CCP.

>>28100669
Yeah, she got a channel which sounds exactly like her linking to that twitter.
also consistent bits here and there between the account of inside indonesian words

>>28101649
The graduation announcement came at around the time their contracts should be up for renewal, which is why I think management telling her she has to up the amount of time she invests into Hololive is exactly what happened.

>>28101923
>Wow so it's like a job you need to work 8hrs every day to get by.
yes, even worse since it's freelance. You won't know when your next paycheck will be.

>>28102115
What if you have rental income in the side?

>>28102041
>chinks actually pay because otherwise no one will put up with them
Anyone have that screencap?
The steel one.

>>28100669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeNmilrBvo4

>>28102077
As it was nearing a year, they probably had future events planned and plans for 3D. There were probably conditions for participating in performances, working in 3D, etc. stuff she wouldn't be able to do reliably, so she decided to graduate to not drag her genmates down.

How does the pay of a legit gig like hers compares to the bigger names on Fantia or Patreon milking coomers for 10k+ USD/month? If it's remotely comparable, the money shouldn't have been a big factor in her decision making.

>>28098534
>makes me wonder what she did to piss off this place so much specifically.
This place is full of seething 2views that have the charisma of a wet fart. They're taking out their frustration at failing to get in out on Sana.
What they don't realize is that Sana was one of FIVE council members, and that the rest of Council aren't really all that much better than Sana when she actually did stream. If these 2views were so hot, why didn't they beat basic white college girl Mumei, or completely mismatch for the role Baelz, or soft spoken vegan #257 Fauna, or the doomer deadpan Asian who joined a male targeting fan service company and is actually mad that she's expected to wave her tits around Kronii?

The fact that they all lost to a shitposting aussie who just happened to have a good reference shows how devoid of charisma and entertainment they truly were.

>>28102343
NTA, but man, I know which one you mean, but my meme folder is a huge mess. If I ever find it, I will post it in global hololive thread or something.

>>28102434
>If it's remotely comparable
it's not, they make more with patreon, and it's more reliable with monthly pay

>>28102554
Doomer deadpan Asian is a lovable trainwreck with a photogenic voice and you don't see much of that, especially girls. She's JP's dedicated voiceslut for a reason.

>>28102720
Usually people draw smut for sustenance before they can make a living at a legit gig. For a big client like Mihoyo, I doubt she's making less than that, especially that contractors are paid anywhere between 35% to 100% more than the in-house employees for the same role.

>>28101219
Toxic in gaming has only been used by niggers unable to deal with mean words.

>>28102990
This sure means a lot coming from someone with a 98% probability of being a toxic gamer.

>>28094279
What do you expect her to do anon? Not take a month off when her dog died?

>>28101219
Toxic was used first by Morello from LoL because he couldn't handle his team talking shit to one of the first creators of the "DotA/MOBA" world

>>28097438
Doesn't make me want to fuck flare any less

What if I fucked Sana into a full recovery and reconsidering her decision?

>>28103105
5+ weeks actually.

>>28101071
She's not some nobody in the art world though. She's big enough where she could probably leverage better pay for herself and be choosy with clients if she needed to. Really the sound decision for cover would be to let her stop being a front facing streamer, but to their best to retain her as a possible chuba mama down the line.

>>28102921
I doubt mihoyo or any other gacha is going to provide enough commissions over a year to make a living off of. It's probably like a single artwork in a year, as other artists are also getting commissioned.

maybe per artwork a contractor can get paid more, but being in-house provides a more steady stream of income.

Even still, some artists get crazy amount of money on patreon. I doubt she will be making as much as people on patreon getting 10K a month. Even with taxes and cuts thats a lot of money.

>>28103263
What if you fucked Flare so much and so hard that she has to adopt Sana's streaming schedule?

>>28103377
Why pandas, anyway?

>>28101075
It was from her comeback karaoke after the dog break. She sang an uncensored Hollaback Girl, and then afterwards said something alone the lines of "whoever said I shouldn't have gone on break, fuck you"

>>28103371
I'm making close to that working as a lazy and mediocre programmer for some monolithic telecom barely doing any real work. Thank god that I kept art as just a hobby.

>>28093977
Even if you whined incessantly about her model from the day of her debut until now it wouldn't make any difference. She couldn't magically get redesigned. She got a slightly better kimono outfit and no one cared, least of all her, as she barely streamed after that regardless.

>>28103483
based aussie shitposter putting concernfags, antis and fans alike, into their place

>>28103377
she can still stream just mute the mic

>>28103683
Based elf diddler.

>>28103547
Based. I'm working on switching from pro art to being a mediocre programmer. I've become fully hobbypilled. Plus programming is pretty fun.

>>28103780
I don't want to misguide you, I'm actually only making 62K before tax and I went to university for it. It's probably more competitive to get in depending on where you are, especially the US because tech took a pretty big hit from the ongoing recession. I hope the best for you regardless, and please get your hand dirty, that's when you truly learn.

>>28101734
Just going off Pokémon Masters, which is pretty mild for this stuff, Lillie was first released just after the first anniversary and ended up with three units by the 2nd anniversary and got a 4th right after. I think there's another character who basically did a any% speedrun to 4 units, but I can't think of them. The point is alts can get shit out if the character ends up popular.

However, since we're talking about Genshin, it's probably 100% a conflict of interests. The Chinese likely don't want her touching Hololive with a 10 ft pole and probably offered a hefty pay check for her to sever ties

>>28101021
>>28099478
>>28101002
>>28099907
honestly if felt like people didn't give enough of a shit to be a dedicated schizo anti, on here or elsewhere
at least not the kind that spams chat, yt comments etc.,
i watched her debut, and her mascot making stream with irys
that's it
not even a council/en group thing
i can't be the only one

what a waste of a hololive spot
western nepotism is the worst what were you thinking ina

>>28104059
Hololive no longer has an official presence in China but apart for Coco, Fubuki or Aqua to an extend, not even Chama, there aren't that many antis anymore. There are still people watching and consuming clips on Bilibili. Mihoyo has an extremely low chance of getting flamed for hiring an illustrator with ties to hololive.

>>28099691
Korone has it too

>>28104059
I doubt the chinese care about what Sana is doing. She was already working with Arknights before joining Hololive. Mihoyo probably cares even less, they aren't really on good terms with the CCP due to the government forcing restrictions on them and having them censor their own characters. There was even backlash in the chinese fanbase against the government when they did that.

>>28093977
Coco was my oshi, but even I will admit her original model was pretty scuffed as well. She rode that no-nose, eyes-too-far-apart, mouth-stuck-open model into the fucking stratosphere. Not everything that might be a handicap definitely is a handicap.
Look at Aqua or Flare. Yeah their 3D models are good, but holy hell their first 2D models were ROUGH.

Listen. I like Sana. I am not saying this to insult her personally. In fact, I would even say I like Sana's model better than Coco's original model. I just don't see why model is something worth singling out when it wasn't a hindrance for so many others.

>>28095873
>major games
western indie shovelware visual novels aren't "major games," you hack.

>>28094402

>>28094622
is she the only shortstack in hololive? by accident too?
does japan hate shortstacks or something?

>>28102401
>No voice difference at all

>>28103630
>proceeds to drop one of her favorite ideas and leave altogether
She sure showed them lmao

>>28099719

honestly had todo with the lack of content. a lot of that due to having to deal with her dogs death near the start of her debut and then starting to have back problems which limited the number of hours she could stream. add on the fact that a lot of her content just didn't bring in that many people outside of the people who did enjoy her stuff

or more realistically her fat fuckin tiddies

idk how people think sana has a bad model and kronii has a good one, this world is fucked up

>>28093977
She'd be one of the best if she:
-Had a different model
-Had a different voice
-Streamed
-Had a good personality
-Was good at collaborations
But she didn't have any of these and now she will have nothing after july 31st, good riddance

>>28093977
the model is ok, not great but not terrible, the real problem is that Sana was boring and Australian

>>28094989
>Source
>Just fucking look at it

Sana looks like several things -
>A 90s fighting game character that people rarely picked even when it was new
>A 00s hentai character
>A randomly-generated koikatsu/custom maid character
>An immediately-forgotten villain-of-the-week in a mahou shoujo show

Her face doesn't really match her body, neither does her hair. She looks too childish yet also hyersexualized and her outfit oozes pure and corn and cheese. Her hairstyle makes her look almost bald when she turns her head to the side. All this is avoiding her skin tone. Brown can work fine, it just makes her extra-weird here however because she already looks fucking weird no matter what. Whitewash Sana and she still looks fucking weird... actually worse than the tan. If they were going to use tan as a feature the rest of the design should have been pretty plain to not overload your eyes.

Sana is about 100x too nice to ever do anything but praise Pako but that's because any artist that's bigger than her would garner praise automatically - she is part of the community, she CANNOT look down on someone bigger than her without coming across as a jealous asshole. Literally she cannot. So don't expect to ever hear her actual thoughts on the matter.

>>28093977
I regret shitposting about it, even if the designer is primarily at fault.

>>28108587
Pako is colorblind so his color saturation and contrast are not on point. It sucks and yeah, someone should have told him it needed tweaks. Japanese culture is just too nice about that shit I guess. I mean they let IRyS debut looking like a goblin because they couldn't tell Redjuice the face needed to be a little thinner.

What I don't get is why hololive seems so dead-set against revising any of their troublesome models. Some of the fixes are honestly trivial, like fixing Lui's eyes to not be weird and soulless. Why do they just leave their talent stuck with shitty models?

>>28093977
My theory is she’s redebuting in gen 3 as a different character as an experiment to see how racist vtuber fans are.

Sana's derpy face fit her personality.

>>28110293
Flare is doing very well for herself. Sana just needed to stream to achieve growth.

>>28110197
I don't think it's so much saving face/muh honor (although that's a part of it) so much as I think they consider it a business risk. They may be dead set against giving the impression that there may be a risk to a famous artist doing a Holo for them if it leads to a public dispute and an official correction of their work by Cover. Like, maybe they think that might scare away other prospective artists they'd wanna work with, if there's a concern that working for Cover might result in something other than good PR for the artist involved. If it goes from "go down in the pages of history by doing a holo" as the pitch to "come potentially get your name dragged through the mud for doing a holo people didn't like" I can see why they'd be like that.

So even if the artist definitely could have used correction, they can't really do it public without basically going "sorry this artist was shit, we'll fix his garbage" even if that is what the audience wants. They were reluctant enough to do it with Umiushi and Gura even though it was really obviously shoddy work, probably because they're afraid other riggers might not wanna. However there are way less riggers than there are artists out there and it's a different craft they do, and rigging a Holo is still basically the highest honor possible (unlike how there are plenty of other higher-spec things artists could turn to) so they eventually gave in.

>>28094573
Its her back dude, in my opinion is two things. One, her back, she's not gonna be jumping around in 3d and doing ofd collabs with her health, Two, she found she did not like streaming as much as she thought she would. It has nothing to do with numbers, Yagoo has never cared all the investment is up front, if he did some of the ID girls would be in trouble.

>>28108236
Yeah with retards like you in it it is

>>28110502
Also I forgot to add, the remedy IMO is they clearly need to put more scrutiny into reviewing the designs before revealing them to the public. The only chance to fix issues is before we see it. I dunno how Irys' design passed scrutiny honestly, unless the decision was entirely EN management's call and EN is run by some western white dude in his 40s who has fucking 0 ability / experience to really evaluate these things to give the OK. If JP headquarters actually-approved Irys and Sana then well it's a deeper issue - maybe they don't put as much thought into it because "meh foreign branch, we'll use them for the more experimental designs to see if there's potential there" and so on.

>>28110502
NTA. Rigging is actually a growing business and there are a lot more talented riggers out there now that more and more guides are being made on how to git gud. The problem is Cover insists on using only a few that they have worked with in the past instead of branching out. Which I do get, it's a risk working with someone new. If they put out shit you have to either deal with it or find someone new to make it quickly before debut time. No excuse for why Umiushi was kept around so long though.

>>28093977
NO. IT WAS SUSAN TAKING AWAY 70% OF HER EARLY SUBS. TOOK THE WIND OUT OF HER SAILS. SHE WAS HIT THE HARDEST IN COUNCIL WITH YT COUNTING PEOPLE WHO SUBBED TO ALL 5 CHANNELS AT ONCE "BOTS'. IT REMOVED THEM FROM THE SUB COUNT WITHOUT THEM PHYSICALLY BEING UNSUBSCRIBED

>>28110502
I think you make a valid point but in the art and game industries it's the standard to have an art director who will provide feedback and point out things that need correcting, and noone minds this unless the art director is a dick. If a model needed to be fixed I would expect them to just have the original artist fix it, and implement it under the guise of a 'makeup update' or include it in a new outfit change. I don't see how anyone's feelings would get hurt in that scenario. Even real-life idols have often have major look changes done as the result of changing makeup style/surgery, Hyoyeon in Girl's Generation is a good example (yes I'm old)

>>28097580
protip: if a "disease" isn't related to the reproductives system and ~4x more women have it than men (fibromyalgia, long covid, chronic lyme), the disease is fake

>>28093977
>over 800k subs and on YouTube and thriving if she had a proper model without a scuffed face

Explain irys

>>28094052
Karna is the one of the if not the most popular servant among FGO's real target demographic, so is Arjuna. You're the contrarian, bro.

>>28093977
More like Sana's scuffed dog killed her. If she didn't take a month-long break right after starting, it wouldn't have destroyed her momentum so much. Also, for some reason, she really didn't want to do conventional streamer stuff, instead relying on weird gimmicks that are fine in moderation. She's what Kiara could've been if Kiara didn't give a damn.

>>28099907
Mio and Okayu were nepotism hires too and nobody says shit

>>28111797
Because FBK and Mio's nepotism hires were other established streamers and not just random people they knew?

>>28094052
He's a good artist, but he's mostly good at making male characters. Sana was a departure from his usual style and I personally do not think it worked so well.

>legitimate criticism
>200 posts of "she never streamed in september/only talked about bread" antis
Is there just a discord of people who recycle anti talking points, for fun?

>>28095763
I don't understand why council didn't have one in the first place. Too many booba mommies.

>>28099819
That is because /vt/ is crawling with people who just hate for no reason. Look at the sheer amount of misinformation here. There's things sana could have done differently but we can't talk about it because some fag will come in and seethe that she told fags like him to fuck off and stop being pissy 8 months ago.

>>28102554
2viewsisters.. it's over...

>>28097569
Wait is she really in a wheelchair? Source?

>>28101709
It’s less than you’d think. Jp gacha it around 200-600 usd per illust and Chinese is around 800-1200 usd. But artists will draw because they love the franchises.

>>28111947
Everyone talks about that because it's true. She did fuck herself up, it had nothing to do with the model.

>>28110502
Hololive has over 60 talents, both holo and Niji do not have enough management resources to properly be able to address small revisions etc. on models

>>28110045
The narrower version isn't any less of a goblin.

>>28102554
>The fact that they all lost to a shitposting aussie who just happened to have a good reference shows how devoid of charisma and entertainment they truly were.
Do you really believe there wasn't anyone better in the probably thousands of auditions they got? Statistically there had to be, considering how popular Hololive was after Myth, but they decided it was better to hire someone that an already established talent vouched for.
I'm not a seething 2view, I'm not a vtuber and have not applied to be one. I'm not a woman. But I do wish Sana's spot had been taken by someone who actually wanted this job and would have worked hard to be successful at it, so I could watch her. And Cover probably wishes they had hired someone who would have worked harder and made more money for them. Let this be a lesson.

>>28102554
Mumei has a unique sense of humor to rival Gooruh, Bae is incredibly energetic to the point of being a cartoon character, Kronii has a one-in-a-million voice and also a good sense of humor, Fauna's good at GFE and ASMR. These girls are all pretty damn unique, they stood out for a reason.

>>28095873
Adding onto this, Japanese mobage pays piss poor. At most maybe 500USD for illustration. Chinese mobage have been very generous and can pay up to 10kUSD for the same content.

>>28093977
Model is great
Maybe tits are too give though

>>28113556
It's pretty obvious that Sana was recommended by Ina. They're best friends IRL and they don't hide it, that kind of a coincidence doesn't happen. It's a classic case of nepotism.

>>28102041
>>28102343
>>28102682
I got you covered anons

>>28107999
soulless

>>28099216
Honestly I wouldn't totally rule that out. Ina's character gets shit on a lot because she's in Hololive.

>>28107999
>>28099347
Removing the beads and the twintails throws off the balance even more. There's a lot going on in the middle while top and bottom are lacking accents for a better balanced look.

The real question is: how fucking hard is it to fix Irys' fugly model and Gura's bad rig? You'd think this stuff would get patched but no.

>>28093977
should have let her design her own model

>>28094052
fpbp

>>28094402

>>28104362
she literally didn't stream enough to develop dedicated schizo antis

>>28111466
Karna was in extra and apocrypha before fgo. Pako managing to not fuck up the art of an established character does not make him a good designer.

>>28103105
I didn't get a month off when my brother died. I don't care if it's a streamer, it's absurd to think you can get a month of not doing any work because your pet died.
They're salaried as well. If I'm looking at this correctly she was paid for a month after debut, then her dog died and she fucked off for a month of doing nothing. That's absurd.

>>28093977
it was garbage, brown skin + ugly face, she should have gotten kronii's model since she would have been bouncing those boobs for us every day

>>28119651
He made the design better

>>28111466
>karna
>popular
L
O
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>>28093977
Sana has a lot of reasons she faltered
>Month long break when her "dog died"
>Splitting focus between streaming and work as an illustrator (more so than others like Ina)
>Medical issues further interfering with work efforts
>Generally stumbled and failed to find a niche or strong set of memes for popularity to spread from; Bae has her wigger speak and Irys drama, Mumei has her psycho/baka divide and Kronii relationship, etc.
>Was not actually all that capable as a vidya streamer which is the main thing the EN girls do besides Calli and Irys (arguably)
Her model looking kinda wonky is not as big a deal as the above.

>>28098534
>kinda makes me wonder what she did to piss off this place so much specifically.
1) her model is dark skinned and 4chan is extremely racist
2) friendship with ina convinced a lot of schizos she was a pure nepotism hire who skipped auditions and "Stole a slot"
3) she streamed very infrequently which created a perception she was either lazy or incompetent, regardless of the real reason

>>28120946
Her crappy model probably killed her motivation, especially since she's an artist and could do much better herself.

>>28121244
>her model is dark skinned and 4chan is extremely racist
Honestly surprised, especially on /vt/ when the majority of posters are SEA. Also tons of LATAM as well.

>>28121471
idk why even now people are saying she's disappointed with her model. Do your reps, look at her interests, the sana model is literally fucking catered to her aesthetics. She wanted this, hell she probably even designed it. If anything, she failed because was a numberfag and even though sanalites were cheering her on, she saw herself as a failure and stopped trying.

>>28121244
>her model is dark skinned and 4chan is extremely racist
Being dark skinned isn't really the problem though. There's loads of fanart of Sana where she looks cute. It's that her face is poorly drawn and with too low contrast, obscuring her facial expressions and adding to the uncanny look.

>>28093977
No. He accent and game choice did.

>>28093977
She didn't like her model so she couldn't stand anymore
Source: check em

>>28111797
The reality is nobody would care if the nepotism hire turned out good. The problem is that it didn't and cost someone else, who could have been good, a chance. Good nepotism hires are still just good hires. Bad nepotism hires are just way worse than other bad hires because other people weren't given a chance to prove they were better in the first place.

>>28106508
Nijidanji did have one, Meiji but she graduated a few months ago. If you still consider girl's being under 5 feet to be shortstack, there's still Miko, senchou, Watame, and technically aqua (tho her papa is the reason for that but her model says other wise) all those girls fall under 152cm and are top heavy.

>>28129182
her accent is adorable though
and what's wrong with kirby?

I think some of you are missing the most obvious point. She debuted first. She was the 1st voice we heard from council, and it was a big dumb heavily Australian accented voice. Ruined it right there. No one has wanted to listen to an Australian since Steve Irwin died. Major debuff. Fauna should have gone first to soften the blow.

Gonna be honest, no meme, feel better for her now. Behind all the hype that had to be a miserable position for her. So very clearly and publicly too. Cant be the ideal for a computer artist , with extreme exception. She was never gonna climb from that hole of “the black one with no subs”, especially with so many off collab buffs and inside jokes. It’s basically like putting a bum legged horse down, a somber day but ethically correct

Imagine that imagine that red neck hick with a meth pipe falling in his pocket as he gets stuffed into the squad car. The one who says “at least I ain’t black.” And then they were black. Sana had every single debuff against her, including herself. This was a requested mercy kill to plug the plug with consent. The family was prepared

https://youtu.be/giFBUskQFf0

>>28095191
Who the fuck uses the word petrol

>>28137656
isn't Haato a shortstack? she at least always comes off that way in 3Ds

>>28140849
me

>>28094767
She looks like a fucking Tenchi Muyo character. And not even an OVA character, more like late-season Tenchi Universe.

>>28120128
>third most grailed servant in 2020
>unpopular
Looks like someones talking out of their ass

>>28141837
Honestly the design isn't so bad, it's more like pako's artstyle is more suited to bishounen and isn't as detailed/ rendered as the other models, which makes her stand out and looks weird when she angles her face too much

>>28099907
>This means she didn't go through auditions in the first place. More importantly, it means people auditioned for a role they had literally 0% chance to get.
You don't audition for one specific spot/model, so the chance to get in is just smaller.
>This rightly pisses off the indies who auditioned because a slot was reserved for someone who couldn't handle the job and that's unfair.
You don't know if you're applying for 1 or 5 positions when you audition, it could be that the audition was always going to be for 4 and Sana was just an addition. It's just irrational to be upset about this since you don't know the odds.

>>28110825
Tbf, Kronii's shit art is saved by good rigging, Wada's clout, and the fact that you dont have to look at the lower body of a Vtuber model. But it's still an objectively weird looking drawing

>>28093977
damn this picture kinda looks like one of those wojaks drawn to look retarded

>>28094402
WHY DID YOU WRITE AN ENTIRE NOVEL

>>28094777
Why are IDs all bitchy whores.

>>28098534
>kinda makes me wonder what she did to piss off this place so much specifically.
Whenever people here are "pissed" at a chuuba, more often than not, they're actually pissed at their fans, typically for spamming the catalogue with flamebaiting garbage and shitting up unrelated threads. See Kobo, Selen, Pippa, or in this case, Sana.

>>28111797
>>28136334
Yeah, there is a double-edged nature to nepotism, if it happens to work out people defend it as "that's just networking / that's how the real world works" etc and other nebulous bullshit. Out of all industries, showbiz works a ton off of getting people into important positions through knowing the right people in the right places. In Hollywood you can be a true actual nobody but start getting parts in big movies if you just-so-happen to be friends with an actor or director etc. So the existence of nepotism in Cover, which fundamentally works in an internet form of showbiz, really shouldn't surprise anyone at all and had clearly been there since the earliest earliest days. A-chan was just Sora's IRL friend FYI and is one of the most powerful and respected people in Cover. Sometimes it really -does- work out nicely in some cases, because the extra personal connection of someone like A-chan also ties her into caring more about the company's stake and future because it's also important to her friend (not to mention herself).

So then why did Sana seem to have no extra magic motivation to succeed and help HoloEN (and herself) out, why didn't she seem pumped to take over the vtuber world with her and her decades-long buddy Ina? Not only that but Sana seemed to have way less motivation/interest manifesting only 3 months in, when the Dogdied Arc happened. It's like not only was she not particularly keen on it but hardly even did anything with Ina. On the surface from the only dots we can actually see, it looks like she just never cared about Holo and it was a mistake to give the position to someone who didn't actually want it. That probably still holds, but there probably are things we don't know that would explain it better, like maybe she and Ina had a falling out or something (which thus would kill her motivation to work alongside her in Holo) etc. But, we just don't know. If she actually was AO and then AO magically shows back up in Ina's chat after Sana leaves, maybe that'd be a good explanation, that Sana is Cover staff and already was busy with other shit in the background. Guess we'll see.

>>28098534
Those other sites are full of naive people who trust every single word a vtuber says. Sometimes the majority of people CAN be wrong about something and this is one of those times.

>>28093977
Model made it look like a tranny with a wig because of the botched face shape

>>28146489
I wonder if having her graduate Sana and then decide to have a "change of heart" and come back later, but with a totally new model... is the plan.

There's been some oblique hints from a few members seeming to imply this isn't a permanent goodbye, or things will make sense with time etc like there is some plan in effect, but it could also just be wishful thinking from us.

>>28146541
I'm pretty sure the oblique hints are just about EN3 coming soon.

>>28101709
>blizzard pays like garbage
is there anything actually good about that fucking company?

>>28146876
they made some good games 2 decades ago, it is amazing the good will that builds with morons

>can craft god-tier japanese style character design
>end up with crappy nigger
I would be mad

>>28147044
Yeah, reputation basically holds forever if good games were once connected to your name. EA used to be respected at one point, so was Activision. Valve's respect went to the toilet before HL: Alyx and IMO still is only partially restored, they used to be the kings and Gaben was like god himself in the late 00s and now people are just like "meh, whatever" even about the HL series.

>>28146541
Doing this would be a neat trick to work around how to deal with Sana's design, without offending Pako (not too much at least) and without ever directly addressing that maybe it was an issue hindering her growth. They could have Pako do a new design for her and just keep sending it back until he eventually makes something not-horrible or just get a new artist. Honestly Sana could draw a perfectly usable model for herself, maybe that'd be a way to handle it because it's not like Pako was replaced so much as they can pretend they tempted Sana to come back by letting her do that in specific.

Maybe Cover thought there was just no salvaging it even with a Flare-style soft reboot, and because they didn't wanna pay up to make a 3D of that, which Sana can't even use now anyway with her back, then they didn't fight hard to keep her when her contract came up and she wanted out.

>>28146541
Honestly speaking, I would not be comfortable with her taking *another* slot after slacking for most of a year and graduating. If she gets her life in order and decides to come back she can do it as Sana with a tweaked model, but I'm not cool with losing out on another possible EN3+ member because she wants to swap faces.

>>28095430
>image
as opposed to us huge brain 4channers right

>>28094402

>>28148006
tl;dr it's a bunch of reposts of a Sanallite who absolutely went fucking ballistic at the news. second from the bottom is kind-of legible version of it.

>>28108587
Excellent analysis. She really does look like a forgettable 90's-00's sci-fi character.

>>28148905
Honestly "forgettable 90's-00's sci-fi character" would make her design stand out compared to "forgettable overdesigned gacha moeblob". The problem is the art style makes her look derpy and the skin colour is weirdly greenish yellow as opposed to a nice warm brown.

>>28122022
Non-whites can be racist towards those darker than then just like whites can. Hell there's a specific word for it too - colourism. Examples include how Pajeets discriminate along skintone lines as part of their caste syatem.

>>28093977
Timestamp of sana explaining her live2d was one of the reason she decided to graduate? You're saying it like it's an indisputable fact so surely you can provide the timestamp.

It's really a combination of all the common explanations people mention that caused her to be in a position where she's graduating. People are just looking for the a simple explanation when there isn't one.

I'm starting to buy into the wheelchair rrat. Sana must have some painkiller addiction tier lifelong condition.

>>28094052
Holy fucking BASED

>>28093977
yh im sure it has nothing to do with her never streaming and being pressured by chinknights to leave

>>28098534
Amelia was her biggest one

>>28113769
Yeah, it's sad to see Sana go, but maybe council will finally start getting their act together. Myth is hard carrying EN.

>>28097580
>wtf is this disease
psychosomatic manifestations of mental illness
>why (do) so many vtubers have it
for some reason vtubing attracts menheras like flies are attracted to shit

>>28093977

She was an artist in IRL and yet did she even do any drawing streams to showcase her talent????

>>28095448
kronii and mumeii

>>28093977
Bullshit. Irys is still here. Sana could have worked for a redesign as well.

>>28094052
This is sort of true, but only outside of Nobu. There's definitely a lot of virtue-signaling retards who jumped on the Pako-wagon with Godjuna simply because he's absurdly powerful in terms of gameplay and because they want to signal to everyone that they TOTALLY don't play the game for the sexy girls, but for the handsome and cool men.

>Already forgotten
what went wrong

>>28156646
The funny thing about that is that Arjuna got indrectly nerfed because they straight up give bosses debuff immunity.

>>28122022
Are you serious? Dark-skinned people also prefer light skin. Why else do you think whitening creams are so poplar in Asia?
Hell, even africans often discriminate based on skin shade. (Google colorism.)
It's one of those extremely taboo things you can't talk about, but it's not unlike how tallness in men is almost always preferred to the alternative. (There are always outliers of course, people who prefer short men or darker skin tones. But they are in the distinct minority.)

>>28094279
She's high on heroin back pain still there

>>28156940
His kit was a mistake in the first place. He powercrept every other buster zerker. Giving bosses debuff immunity nerfs lots of other servants too, but they just have to deal with it because Arjuna can't be nerfed directly.
Well, it's not surprising considering this is the same team that thought Castoria was a good idea.

>>28152776
Fauna and Mumei are inclining and starting to get to the same numbers as Myth. (Kiara was passed a while ago, Ame is about on par.)
Gura will always carry Myth of course, so there's no chance of Council ever overtaking them. But outside of her, Myth isn't that special anymore. (Looking at actual viewership, not subs.)

>>28157345
castoria is better because she is a superior female servant

>>28157472
Sure, she's just also the biggest clapbait in the entire game. (No wait, that's Muramasa.)

>>28093977

Not having a regular streaming schedule after debut month is what killed her. For any new vtuber, those first few months are absolutely crucial no matter how bad the rigging or design is.

>>28093977
>scuffed
I fucking hate zoomer speak so much. Why is you slang so fucking retarded?

>>28094195
>>28094895
I like Irys' model though. She looks original compared to the others.

But I do agree Irys' voice made her sucessful.

>>28097580
It’s literally female neuroticism and not a real thing

It’s “bad humors”

>>28093977
That didn't even factor into it much. What killed her was her long breaks during the honeymoon period and then an inconsistent stream schedule thereafter, not allowing her to even pick back up the pieces from the break.

If only she had done more zatsu streams to keep a constant presence.

Sana was the only Council member I was interested in acted debut. I liked her horoscope streams becasue they were something different. Then she took off for a month for dog ded, and I lost interest. And then she came back with a literal "fuck you?" Nah, I was done.

>>28093977
Sana's scuffed work ethics killed her

>>28094255
It's a weird cope, like its the baby of /vt/ and twitter. Flare is more than fine with a similar pigmentation.

>>28093977
Sana has the best model in council.

Sana sounds ugly. That's her biggest problem. And I'm not talking about her accent, Bae has similar accent but she doesn't sound ugly.

>>28140849
Australians

>>28161673
Well Sana is black.

Sana’s model can be derpy looking at times but it’s nothing bad. What hurt Sana was the inconsistent streams after a while, which wouldn’t be bad as a part time streamer if it wasn’t for the fact that it felt like the breaks happened during a time where barely any Holo streamed. The period where she went MIA I think in February was also rough, granted we found out it was because of back issues and she probably was barely able to make time for streaming with her artist job too.
It sucks that it didn’t work out, but at least it’s an amicable split and she’s leaving on good terms and with plenty of love. Better to go out on a high note and with some new fans for her personal art account than to go out hated and unpersoned.

>>28162589
>we found out it was because of back issues

I don't understand this point, what does streaming have to do with back issues? If she couldn't sit down, how was she able to do her art job?

>>28163139
This. If she does art, what difference does it make for vtubing if she's sitting and drawing, too?

>>28143802
It's literally just one copypasta edited several times

>>28163282
Some artists can do their art standing up. I've heard of some japanese artists taking their back health very seriously to the point where some have extensive standing setups. While some can only sit for a while before feeling pain.
This came from discussions about the hiatus x hiatus guy.
So assuming that she can do art standing up or is still able to sit down and work, the problem might be with mobility.
From my personal experience, i had a bit of back pain due to sitting too much and it was pretty bad for a while. The pain just obliterates your energy. Simple things like talking tired me out quickly. I felt it especially hard during my streams. It was like having a full glass of water and then dumping it out with one action, then filling it up and dumping it out again, over and over.
I managed to get through it with stretching and core exercises, but i will never forget how it felt and that was just from poor posture.

>>28164145
That makes sense but if she has a standing setup for art, she would be able to use that setup for streaming too. I'm assuming most vtubers don't have an entirely separate desk setup and computer that they only use for streaming.

>>28097580
It's related to vitamin d deficiency, which happens when you spend all your time indoors and never get any direct sunlight. Vtubers and other computer gremlins get it because they never go outside. 15 minutes or so of noonday sun (depending on latitude; the general rule of thumb is that your shadow needs to be shorter than your vertical height for it to work) a few times a week will assuage most of those symptoms. Throw in a half hour of cardio a day and you'll be in better shape than at least half of the world's population.

>>28164559
A bottle of 120 pills of 1000 mg of D3 costs like 4 or 5 bucks where I'm at.

>>28166097
Your body doesn't process the physical chemical as readily as the vitamin it synthesizes itself, assuming that the supplement is actually pure (they aren't very well regulated so it's really a crapshoot what you're actually taking) and that your metabolism isn't already fucked. Actual, pharmaceutical grade D is better than nothing-- and actually quite good sometimes-- but it doesn't beat direct sunlight.

>>28147642
Yes.

>>28094989
You're the same guy who posted this, right? You redditors don't even understand how easy it is to tell you apart from humans

>>28114066
Nijifags will desperately try to get you to believe that 5 of Elira’s friends who got in weren’t recommended by her though.

>>28110045
>picrelated
Good thing you’re not in charge

>>28122022
And? The only group of people you can expect to try not to be racist is white leftists.

>>28169157
Uh bro?
Everyone knows the white liberal is the most racist piece of shit to ever exist.

>>28169271
I said "try not to" be. Everyone is racist, white leftists are the only ones who care about pretending not to be and end up being the most unhinged of them all. It's all a psy-op.

I told you she would fail as soon as she opened her mouth in her debut and we got to see her derp face.

>>28169271
As racist as white liberals are, they pale in comparison to the average black social media user. All black online spaces might as well be /pol/ for how insanely normalized racism is there