/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

wah doko?

>>28031998
>>28032015
no wah

>>28032025

Aki in the new thread
https://youtu.be/mknggf96fuI?t=2916

Fuck

No mahjong, so it's all good.

>>28037969
Why do you hate Mahjong, anon?

hehe

>>28038005
It murdered my family and friends.

>>28038094
but you don't have any friends...

>>28038094
They had it coming

>>28038213
I need to stop autistically looking at Towa archive diving, I was about to call you a redditor like that one Towa anti does.
>>28038258
No one deserves death.

>>28038357
>I was about to call you a redditor
Kenzoku-chama....

I love this clock

>>28038094
I really miss Sio's fat ass, it was her only redeemable quality.

>>28037902

>>28038781
>Aki top profit
Damn right

>>28038852
Aki's dividends...

>>28038891
...will surely be higher than 600 this week

Watadev here
give me all holo twitch usernames and don't ask any questions

>>28038781
>literally based week

>>28039061
https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Category:Members_with_Twitch_Channels
Only some really use them though.

>>28038973
Who cares about divies, when you can buy coins, just because you like the girls.

>>28038781
>graduating rushia holo wallet increase

>>28038781
>post kson

>>28039167
Yeah, but imagine if Aki's dividends were high enough for me to multicoin her all week like Haachama's Duck is doing right now

>>28038781
>buy fund player
i will get a controlling share in ninjins or kitsunes ass

>>28039417
That would be an ideal world. Unfortunately, though.....

>>28039534
I believe a future where Aki gets 1K in dividends consistently is approaching

>>28039709
Heh. If you believe into something hard enough, then it ought to become true, right? In that case, I'll believe in that future, too!

>>28039709
>1K in dividends
so...median?
can we get that mechanic adjusted already FFS? feels like it's made the game stagnant.

>>28040010
Belief is power!

>>28039061
also, holomamas please, to doublecheck
>>28039159
thanks

>>28042172
Nachoneko is the only one I know of active on twitch, others might have one but not sure.
https://www.twitch.tv/nacho_dayo

Anyway to recend the verification email, the one I got doesn't work at all.

>>28042172
https://www.twitch.tv/nabinya
^ Nabi's Twitch, however, she mentioned on her last Twitch stream (April 1st) that when she returns she won't be using Twitch anymore.

>>28039061

>>28043968
This is a boy.

>>28043253
Figured out how.
Delete and remake the account

to clarify - if you haven't already noticed, the average divs for all coins are usually at or around $1,000. always. while coin prices can and will theoretically inflate upwards forever, dividends are hard capped and draw from a weekly pool of ~$64k total - since Civia and Rushia pay ~$0

that number seemingly hasn't changed...ever? it's why Div% trends downward. channels that do disproportionately "well" one week could suck even more of the others into 1-2% territory if they did strongly enough. pool should scale somehow. not sure how, but it should.

the game will feel more and more stagnant because the range of variability between different channels' dividends will continue to shrink as the gulf between the median coin price and the comparatively piss tiny $1,000 x # of Unique Coins continues to grow. when coins were worth $10k tops and there was a $50k pool of dividends to draw from, you could get silly 30-40% returns on some coins. now everyone clusters together around a narrow band of single digit percentages - from 2%-6% - with your holo/kobo/mori/peko/whatever outliers at >6% and hiatus/mama/dead/shitcoins at the bottom.

things get more interesting if you start playing with things like weighted averages instead of a raw average coin price ($25k) and how you choose to weight them (volume, views, subs, benchmark %, I guess that's technically volume with a few extra or less steps). even if you consider the distribution of coin prices, because the raw mean of $26,783.93 is incredibly misleading when the standard deviation is fucking massive - $20,236.89

retard suggestion: average coin price currently hovers somewhere around $25k. Multiply that by 10 and make it the "new dividends pool". Variability in dividends between channels will look more like it did in the past.

also, I broke Excel while trying to do something, so have picrel

>>28043800
thank god. I was worried that her collab might be streamed on twitch

>>28046499
The noise on the payout pool is strange. While it's obviously anchored, it's not a hard limit, and it can be exceeded if enough coins perform well at the same time. I'm curious what causes this.

>>28046499
Thanks for the analysis anon, and cute graph. There is still hope for Aki's dividends!

>>28039061
watadev when's pippacoin coming out?

>>28046499
pretty sure devs are worried that adding even a little bit on the pool will introduce a fuckton of money in the economy. Imo, i think its ok now toi have a more scaling divs due to the psuedo money sink we call a mutual fund but thats just me

>>28046499
the fuck is the blue one acting like 1/tan
i dont think a hard dividends buff is in order ,people are already trying to avoid the "it takes a literal year of good trades worked out logarithmacally to catch up to cypher" meta and that just got buffed with mutual divs.
But making them not suck up so much of the mamacoins and hiatus coins should be in order

>>28039061
when are you guys adding chaturbate numbers? melody coin when?

>>28047748
go back to your vshojo thread, tranny

>>28047359

>>28047685
I get that hiatus coins shouldn't have big dividends, but the mamacoins seem fine

>>28048422
it's because they actually stream periodically

>>28048474
Sorry, I'm dumb, do you want the mamacoins to get more or less devidends?

>>28047006
>>28047100
>>28047654
>>28047685
This is what I was actually trying to do. It could not be done in one graph. Plus there is a follow-up image.

This is what a standard distribution of coin prices would look like based on the current mean coin price and standard deviation.

>>28049392
and this is what it actually looks like

>>28049423
i would note that 3 coins in that 50k+ price are functionally dead coins and should be ignored for this distribution graph in my opinion

>>28049667
I'm trying to imply something but 1. I'm not entirely sure that it's a game mechanic 2. I barely scraped by in Statistics.
Civia and Rushia and to a lesser extent Coco because there are active coins that are regularly priced higher than hers are so fucking expensive that they're breaking the game's math. ie. I agree, they are outliers.
I don't think the game always treats them that way outside of awarding dividends. For a range of values that should never be non-negative, ~20% of them shouldn't be ending up below $0 in a normal distribution.

>>28049944
Do the coins NEED to follow a standard distribution?

>>28049392
>>28049423
Im too dumb to imagine what this means but if you have the strength to calculate, what would, lets say, towa or watame divs would be in your proposal? At their average price i guess

>>28049667
Also I enabled the tick marks on the red line so you could see just how many of them are clustered at or below the average. Dividends are clustered together the same way too but I'm tired of making graphs.
>>28050080
If they perfectly followed one I think that would be pretty boring. I'm not arguing for it one way or the other, simply stating observations. Again, too stupid to be certain whether or not that is in fact what the game is trying to do. But it definitely looks like it. And it looks like the huge gulf between the two largest outliers and everyone else w/r/t price only right now is clashing with whatever spaghetti code is preventing things like negative matuli from happening again.
>>28050095
I am not arguing that, or trying to. Dividends are all very "samey" right now - clustered together in an ever narrowing range - and it's part of what makes the game feel bland/boring/dry, at least to me. I am arguing for more variability. I don't give a hoot what chuba x or y's specific dividends are, I am more concerned with the whole. And as a whole, right now that imposed ~$1,000 hard average is skewing things.

>>28048231
pankomanko

>Also I enabled the tick marks on the red line so you could see just how many of them are clustered at or below the average. Dividends are clustered together the same way too but I'm tired of making graphs.
Here, so you don't have a seizure trying to look at them in the GIF my bad

>>28050293
I think your complaint is perfectly right in that they feel "samey", but it has been like that for about 9 months or so. A feature like funds has created an alternative money sink to dividends, and a feature like options should in theory be able to differentiate between the players.
I think a dividends rework is in order, but it has been for over 9 months, and it seems like the issue you brought up is basically side-stepped by introduction of new mechanics which will not be "samey", relegating dividends to a background role of providing stable-ish liquid rather than the main driving force of earning money in NASFAQ.

Every Nyagger post I see makes me incredibly horny. Especially now since the VGL just ended and they lost again

>>28050504
Fair enough, but I think the dividends are actually a symptom, not the main problem the forced $64k cap/$1k average is a problem in its own right

I think the underlying problem is with coin price distribution. 46 of the 66 in game coins are at or below the average price - and all within less than one standard deviation. I am trying to be "fair" and deliberately excluding the 6 coins that are within striking distance of the average - still under $30,000.

Funds still inherently rely on the coins in order to function, and I argue they make things feel more samey, not less. You just get to do samey things faster and more efficiently. Had the nerfed volatility and 50x multi-buy with a flat 10% tax been implemented for players instead I think it would've had the same effect.

Sure, there's a very minor added dimension of added depth from funds being able to trade quicker and from having your shares increase in price, and arguably even moreso from the collective "PvE" feeling you get from being a member in a fund that isn't your own or a "fun"/shitpost fund like mogu's or Applause's

But can you see any reason to ever sell shares? Beyond wanting out from a mismanaged fund or needing liquid to defend a crowd? or petty drama?

No.

It's superficially added some depth to the game, it didn't fix any mechanics, just distract from them. Disclaimer: I am personally having fun with mutual funds, but I like playing devil's advocate as long as I can keep it from being malicious.

>>28051338
Even as a beta funds have completely changed the strategy from the point of an individual, and you already can see several players having figured it out.
If this is superficially added depth, then I am afraid that you need to look into your own overall strategy past the superficial level.

>>28051726
>and you already can see several players having figured it out.

Like a bolt from the blue, it's time for the Numbers Review.
Data collected at Cycle 61.

Here's the R.I.C.H. report for today:
>Total Shares in circulation amount to 41,916,876, a 0.86% increase from yesterday's volume
>Average shares per coin is 635,104. There are 24 coins above this average.
>Calliope currently has the highest volume, at 3,000,578 shares, or 7.16% of market volume.
>Pochimaru currently has the lowest volume, at 99,157 shares, or 0.24% of market volume.

Top 5 Volume Increases (of 43):
>Sana :: +40.5%
>Shion :: +11.6%
>Ina'nis :: +10%
>AZKi :: +6.9%
>Okayu :: +5.9%

Top 5 Volume Decreases (of 23):
>Kronii :: -7.3%
>Ollie :: -4.5%
>Zeta :: -4.4%
>Ayamy :: -3.6%
>IRyS :: -3.3%

3 coins (Sora, Coco, Rushia) had a net 0% change in volume today.


Here's the R.I.S.E. report for today:
>Starting Liquid is estimated at $257,609.97, which is a decrease of 3% from yesterday's estimate.
>Total Market Value for today is $1,228,583,832,232.40, which is a decrease of 4.84% from yesterday's Market Value.
>Average Value per Share is $29,310.00. A total of 13 coins are above this average. As an additional point of reference, I also performed a one-time recalculation of this average, excluding Civia and Rushia, and found that 18 coins are above that average ($24,529.47).
>Calliope currently has the highest value, at $132,816,444,372.36 in total market value, or 10.81% of market value.
>Nana currently has the lowest value, at $1,078,826,499.52 in total market value, or 0.09% of market value.

Top 5 Value Gains (of 33):
>Sana :: +88.8%
>Risu :: +15.4%
>Kronii :: +15.2%
>Polka :: +15%
>Zeta :: +9.9%

Top 5 Value Losses (of 33):
>Shion :: -25.7%
>Subaru :: -24.9%
>Hololive :: -22.5%
>Gura :: -20%
>Kiara :: -19.3%

1 coi (Civia) had a net 0% change in value today.


Here's the F.R.E.E. report for today:
>Today's Superchats totaled to $448,846,192, which is an increase of 61.76% from yesterday's Superchats.
>The Broker made $2,869,882,193.31 today, a decrease of 12.9% from yesterday's salary.

Top 5 Superchat Increases (of 11):
>Sana :: +8.5%
>Polka :: +2.1%
>Suisei :: +1.7%
>Haato & Kiara :: +0.6%
>Sora :: +0.5%


Here's the M.O.V.E. Report for today:
>2 coins (Haato, Sana) adjusted green, but are still trending upwards.
>4 coins (Korone, Coco, Civia, Rushia) adjusted red, but are still trending downwards.
>1 coin (Ayame) adjusted red, but is now above their pre-adjustment value.
>1 coin (IRyS) adjusted green, but is now below their pre-adjustment value.
>58 coins are on projected trend lines and have not intersected with their pre-adjustment values.

Top 5 Most Volatile Coins (per Hour Average):
>Shion :: $538.70 Up
>Subaru :: $495.47 Up
>Gura :: $401.06 Up
>Sana :: $351.08 Up
>Kronii :: $320.18 Down

Top 5 Least Volatile Coins (per Hour Average):
>Polka :: $1.11 Down
>Civia :: $1.83 Down
>Rushia :: $3.28 Down
>Choco :: $3.48 Up
>Nana :: $4.76 Up

Overall Average movement was $52.48 per hour.
Average Upwards movement was $100.90 per hour.
Average Downwards movement was -$76.64 per hour.

The Financial Underwriters of Comprehensive Knowledge would like to remind you to stay informed, shitpost responsibly, and FUD accurately.

For coin prices, the 2 largest outliers combined with whatever keeps prices from going below $0 are skewing everything so hard that most of the coins in the game have ended up in a narrow band from $7k-$30k. It's like the comfy crab club, but for coins. If ANY of the other math in the game relies on variance in any way whatsoever, it is equally skewed as a result. Adjustments. Subticks. View deltas. Whatever. We already know the game "looks at the market as a whole".

For dividends, it's more complicated. The "forced" $1,000 average is one thing, set that aside for a second. The "big hitters" hit so fucking hard that it ends up just like Civia and Rushia's prices. Hololive earns $3865.19 four times the forced average because Hologra gets a billion views. Now it wants to put a quarter of the coins below $0. It cannot. Everything ends up clumped together so that the outliers don't skew the distribution. I actually wouldn't be surprised if the outliers on both sides were distorting things - hiatuscoins/mamas and the heavy hitters. Excluding Civia and Rushia, we also know there are toggles for whether or not a coin pays dividends, they do not count here.

The $1,000 average is a problem both because of the huge variability in what that can represent as a % of a coin's price, and how that can end up affecting other coins. Aqua is a good example. Did she even stream last week? Coin's at $39975.83, divs were $1434.29 (above average) or 3.59% (bad - they should be - she didn't fucking stream) Kaela streamed a ton. $11,041.13 coin (luv indog shitcoins) $748.16 (below "forced" average) dividends, "6.78%" (well above the average %, "good").

I don't know how the game works and I'm pulling a lot of this out of my ass or from snippets of things we've learned from devs over the past year. A simple enough suggestion for "fixing" divs could be to force an average percentage instead of an average $1,000 payout. And something high enough that it wouldn't cause clumping. 20%. Do you remember what the "original" big fat dividends was? 25%! And that's just the oldest image I can find.

Anyways, I managed to distract myself from what should've been my main point. It --feels like-- the game is trying to distribute coin prices and dividend payouts somewhat "normally". If there is actually a forced normal distribution anywhere behind the scenes, I wager it is part of the problem, not the solution. Because it's misbehaving.

>>28050080
So no, actually. They shouldn't. But I think they're trying to.

>>28051726
I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, but that isn't the point I'm trying to make. I'd go as far as arguing your strategy as an individual doesn't matter at all anymore because your strategy both as a fund manager and as someone who can buy shares should take priority, as they are more rewarding and practically risk free. And that is partially what makes it a shallow addition - it is effectively risk free!
Any grug with a half a brain would've noticed the initial huge ramp up in volatility which has since been nerfed. For about two weeks I no longer considered doing things like buying 2-4x all day for nearly anything, and did things like 4x 100 coins total to maximize the amount of coins I was able to buy before funds killed all the deals.

>>28052251
It's not a secret. I think BBB-chama mentioned not trading very much at all recently because the increased volatility seriously nerfed the window in which individual trading was even viable.

>>28052855
Buying a coin is also risk-free. You saw the top accounts buying absurdly overpriced coins for a very long time now with no repercussions.
Coin price variations are not a problem. If I had to choose between buying a $5,000 coin or a $80,000 coin, I would choose to buy the one that would give me a better % of returns, meaning that the price of the coin does not matter for it. You could of course argue that higher coin prices means more income from trade, but if you link dividends to coin prices as well, and have the inflation also naturally linked to coin prices, then relative to one another the income from trading and dividends actually suffers, not to mention that inflation favors inactive accounts and large holders... with massive, risk-free profits.
BBB-chama also didn't perform very well last week, or two weeks before.

Ultimately, you have to question yourself with this: what are dividends trying to accomplish? What is their role in the game? If your answer is "the main source of profit which should be exponential in nature, favoring older accounts and contributing further to leaderboard stagnation", then linking it back to average price is an excellent idea, since that's what they were before the dividends change, and that's what happened.
I see dividends as a source of stable profits gained from holding a coin. They aren't something to be chased after week-by-week, but rather as a long term, extremely stable low-return investment like a bond. The reason for their dominance up to this point was simple: they were the only mechanic that was scalable past a certain point. People didn't buy the famous overpriced $HOLO because it was a good deal. Or because it was a good long-term investment, since it'd pay itself back in the matter of months if not longer. No. They bought it only and only because they had no other choice. This has clogged up trading, too, which is arguably the most fun part of the game, since you can't effectively trade when you need to convert billions of $ into coins, since if you don't, your money will never earn anything else.

The issue was, as always, that there was no alternative "sink". That you couldn't let your liquid do "work". Now there is, and with upcoming updates, it seems like Honk wants to add more of those.

>>28052855
>I think BBB-chama mentioned not trading very much at all recently because the increased volatility seriously nerfed the window in which individual trading was even viable.
I don't really have time to respond to this massive wall of text right now, but I think you've accidentally conflated two separate things I said:
>Funds have a very tiny window that they can operate in due to volatility combined with their already-limited threshold of viable trades.
>I personally have frequently forgotten to set my autotrader back up after Cycle 60, so I've been missing out on a lot of trades.
The former was an observation about Fund trading, and the latter was me lamenting my being an idiot, which >>28054015 references. I'm no stranger to staying competitive with sub-144 cycles, but I've been underperforming lately compared to normal. Life hasn't been kind, and I've had less time I can devote to reviewing trades.

>>28054015
I'm not arguing that dividends should be the main source of income, and I don't want to drift from my point into wherever this was headed.

Both the coins and their dividends were not this clustered together before.

>>28054015
Forgot something - the week to week variability in dividends gave you more opportunities to "get ahead" and to "outplay" others - not less. Dividends were a factor you actively had to weigh against trading. Having everything lumped together like it is now doesn't make it more engaging or more fun, it's more limiting. If there's any question that a player has to answer when it comes to decision making and how dividends play into that, the answer is always "no, they don't matter" - because of course they don't if they don't even cover the cost of buying a single coin 1x!

There were many times you actually had to weigh whether or not to sell a coin that went up if you knew it also paid good dividends. Even for players without huge stacks, that is never, ever an issue anymore. "Sell now because dividends are shit." Why was the Gura or Mori or Marine or Pekora meta what it was? Dividends. Hololive always had Hologra, and was always a viable trading coin as a result. That actually has not changed at all. It both still pays the highest or near dividends and is also still the single biggest opportunity anybody has for making trading gains.

This is data from well after dividends started to trend down, but before the $1,000 limit was put into place.

BBB Can you post your trades thanks

>>28039061
eer offtopic but may i request an in-site "calculator", like a little add-on wherein i know how much im paying for shares. also maybe for coins too if possible for the total cycle //amount im trading. dont have my own mutual fund so idk if this is already a thing.

>>28054015
And now that I have that data in here, I still think I am onto something. It does look like it was always "meant" to be a normal distribution. Civia and Rushia being on Jupiter is fucking things up.

>>28050491
Last post - another comparison with the old market. I guess I'll drop it then.

>>28058338
nice, it really does look like its conforming to something

>>28059012
That is because the "y" values are artificial here.

it's clearly kokoro you faggots

Bet for Sana's adjustment tomorrow?

>>28059250
They're not, they're the values from running a normal distribution on the mean and standard deviation. It's why the y-axis differs between the old data and the current market data.

devs, post unrestrained divs # please. unpooled.

>>28063942
I'm more interested in seeing what prices look like if negative prices aren't restricted.
>You get money for buying shitcoins and have to pay to sell them.
>You have to pay weekly fees in dividends for coins with low performance.
The two wouldn't necessarily be mutually exclusive either. It could be fun.

>>28060450
this poster was goomb all along
shrimping press
(pushing her in the water and filling the entire water near you with sperm in the hope it hits an egg)

>>28065136
i had it wrong, shrimps fuck then produce eggs

>>28065136
>>28065317
Gura ja nai.

>>28065393
gintama

>>28068515
cute

Live

>>28074022
live again

Aki

Roboco

Luna

>>28076971
An!
>>28077688
Pon!
>>28079172
Tan!

>>28076971
>>28077688
>>28079172
whores

>>28079697
Wonderful post!

>>28057028
You could use dividends to outplay someone back when you could actually significantly change your wallet composition within a few days, which is no longer a reality to anyone above 100k coin counts, since due to trading limitations you cannot actually alter your wallet that fast. Now a maneuver like that requires weeks unless you want to suicide via tax.

Also, dividends are not meant to be your tax returns, they are meant to be long term investments. You do not usually hold a coin for only a week, as the entire leaderboard proves. Low %dividends just mean that you should probably think more than just blindly buy coins, as you can no longer get 100% certain profit from them within a week. Imagine dividends as a bonus on top of the trading profit when buying a coin.

>>28054015
>You could of course argue that higher coin prices means more income from trade, but if you link dividends to coin prices as well, and have the inflation also naturally linked to coin prices
which is why dividends should never be linked to coin prices.

>>28081403

https://youtu.be/w3sEUNPfVkk

Congratulations.