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>Clothing
What does the average Joe wear daily? Any formal dress impacted by tradition/culture? Is fashion being split by class or regional differences? Climate or other fantastical wackery making certain attire a necessity? Paint us a clearer picture of who you'll see walking through the streets!
>Food
What crops do your people grow for consumption? What about the food you import, and from where? Do you have unique delicacies? What are the common snacks or meals for the working class, or the rich and powerful? Any food reserved for ritual purposes? How about etiquette when eating? Any special practices during mealtime?
>Entertainment
What kinds of entertainment is popular for your people? How important are they seen as part of life? Do different class people have sufficiently different tastes? How much do the chuuba gods play a role in these entertainments?
>Religion
What religious rituals does your nation have to worship its deities? What's the religious structure look like? What's the official stance on other faiths?
>Alcohol and Drink
what do your people drink and what's is it made from? what sort of culture is there around drinking in your split?
>Development
What are your nation's current goals now? What are you trying to aim for in your development? Would said development make your people happy?
>Funeral Rites
How do your people observe the death of one of their own? What kind of ceremonies are held? How are their belongings handled?
>Music
What kind of musical instruments/music does your nation make/use?
>Name
Does your thread's nation have any naming conventions? What are people named, and why? Do names have meaning? Do people have surnames, and how are those derived?
>Politics
How does the balance of power look in your nation? who are the ruling/most powerful class? Who are they competing with?
>Superstition/Folklore
What sort of superstitions/folklore do your nation's people have, as in, are there things that the people believe in or things they think they know to be real that are not real on a meta level? What are omens of good or bad fortune? What mythical monsters lurk in the forests, or in the depths of the sea? Do some foods or materials have to be prepared in a certain way before they are seen as fit to use?
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>>27981749
Not today, WARanon....

>cleaning duty at work today
>wore my shirt on backwards the entire day and nobody told me
>therapist straight up quits before my session today
>work cafeteria becomes shit due to inflation
>AND NOW MY OSHI FUCKING GRADUATES FUCK FUCK FUCK TODAY

I want to hold Sanalites. I want to stroke Sanalites hair. I want to let Sanalites rest for a while in my arms. I want to tell Sanalites that it will be ok. I want to hold Sanalites. Sanalites will always have a place beside me. Sanalites will always be welcome at my table. Sanalite love.

Oh. Oh fuck. Sanalites, I'm so sorry...

WE RULE THE WAVES SUCK IT SHRIMP!!!!

>>27984783
Does Hada actually have a ship, unlike Senchou?

>>27984858
yes

My kroniicles were going to end with the risuner and kronie living in /nasa/ with their kids. Should've ended writing it, but life has made get out of /vt/ and social media in general. I've come here to pay mt respects. I've great love for Sana and really liked /nasa/ and sanalites.

o7
Make bake bread forever in the deeps of space.

Don't forget to make tribute with a Sana fic in her honor

>>27985004
good to see you gramps
likewise, i've been so busy but i cam to pay repects

>>27984783
>shitposting now
Fuck off

>>27984328
based fellow addiction peddler

how is /meat/
i haven't been following for a long time, i hope those pagans are okay

>>27981749
SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA SANA

>>27985226
Bro, not everything has to be doom and gloom. Girl never even watched Sana and cried over this. Fuck off.

I need a day off. I know I have until the 31st until my deadline. But I just went into a shock. I just remembered telling my sister about Sana the night before she killed herself.

>>27985468
>spoiler
jesus christ. i'm so sorry to hear that.

>>27985226
Jackass, let people live.

>>27985343
It's fairly well apart from us being banished to /trash/ alongside several other fetish threads. We're currently in /jp/ for now
I'm actually writing about it even if it's not as good as I've hoped

Aight so I'm a complete wreck at work but worry not Rep, I have an ending for us thought up. We are going out in a blaze of glory and legend!

>>27985677
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
kronie allies are disappearing off the planet...
plus i began to really enjoy your thread and... content...

>>27985343
we're fine as usual. some time after you guys left we started not getting banned constantly, but now we are back to getting banned all the time. someone added to the /meat/ronii story, and we have been adding to our own lore since you guys left, naturally. hopefully you guys stay from now on so we can start working on lore together again.

>>27985847
Well, we'll be trying to return to /vt/ every now and then to see that trigger-happy janny's still around or not

>>27985853
I'd like that, yes. I'll try to keep it up when I'm not waging.

>>27985612
I shouldn't have gotten attatched to Sana. But I did. And that's because she reminded me of my baby sister. I had no idea how hard it was going to hit until it did. I think that's why I don't think I'll ever watch a vTuber ever again. I thought about applying as a Holostar for a joke. But if this is how Cover treats their talents I want nothing to do with that company as a talent.

I'm sorry for the rant guys. I prefer here over /nasa/ right now. I'll write either tomorrow or the day after.

>>27985767
Well you can tell me about it another time. I just got devistated by the announcement hours later when personal trauma caught up to me.

>>27986091
Don't be sorry. A lot is happening, so take your time and let it out where you can.

>>27986091
Don't pressure yourself sanalite, this is too loaded of feelings for you (also, sorry for your loss). Take it easy. I send you a virtual hug, I don't care if this is 4chan and anons will call me fag, you need it.

>>27986345
I guess I can always go indie vTuber. I'll probably suck at it. But I'll never find a vTuber like Sana ever again. So I guess be the vTuber you want to watch if you can't find one I guess.

>>27986091
Nasarep... There are no words, really. We're here for you.

>>27986091
It's alright anon, this thread will be here when you return and if you don't think you can then we understand. It seems like these past few days have been falling to pieces, but we are all built of stronger stuff than yesterday.
You guys always made the thread exciting one way or another so I hope that you continue with the project and remain in the thread, either way, I'm extremely thankful for everything that you've done.

>>27986091
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm2a-xxpou0

>>27984023
>>27983947
Given we're an island nation, we have a steampunk/clockpunk aesthetic and Niji has taken the Japanese motif, it's only natural we take up the mantle of the British navy.
There was also the fact that Niji was discussing how to sink /∞/'s navy and threatened us with war because of a misunderstanding over our pledge to defend /risu/.
So let's keep those jokes of an arms race to a minimum.

We're all friends of course so it shouldn't matter what the operation size of /∞/'s navy is as long as it can be realistically supplied and maintained. I.E. the ironclad's operational distance is confined to the main island since they aren't ocean worthy and our hybrid steam powered ships are restricted to where they can get fuel, unless they use traditional sealing rigs. And even then they aren't suited as heavy transports because the cargo hold is already used to hold fuel.
Also, having the Kronie version of Horatio Nelson is something I will not pass up.

Logistics aside, is the geologicalfag still around, I wanted to know where copper deposits would most likely be located, and if anyone has charted out what species of trees grow where in the world.

>>27987366
>No naval tradition
>No income like 2434
You want to be britain but you are a mere italy.

>>27987366
You're going to give me an aneurysm, do I need to fucking tard wrangle you?

/uuu/ rep here. I'm still out of town so I'm phone posting, but I wanted to come pay my respects to the sanalites. I'm so sorry to hear about what happened.
To the mammoth sanalite who I was writing the /nasa/ meeting with, I'm doubly sorry for lagging on my side of the writing, I really wish we could have wrapped up the story before this happened

>>27987715
We can finish the story even when /nasa/ is gone. There's no rush on that front.

>>27987366
Let me explain this politely as to why this is stupid.
>You have no tradition of major shipbuilding, lack the trees, and the supplies to have a large navy, unlike 2434z
>You lack the income, unlike 2434 which spends all of its money on its navy.
>You lack the training of countless generations of sailors to be britain
>You lack the facilities to maintain a large fleet like the Royal Navy
You threaten 2434 and they kept in line with their tradition of not responding well (read their diplomatic post to understand) you cant wish something into existance.

>>27987366
The british navy niche is already occupied by both /who/ and /morig/, it's cramped in here, I think there's a spot for the spanish or dutch navies though.

Jesus, I'm sorry for your loss, sanalites. It always feels like there'll be plenty of time, until it's gone. Know you're still welcome here anytime, and I wish you the best.
>>27986345
>>27986586
While you guys are here, /wg/ has opened up a translation company. How would /inf/ feel about a foreign company opening up an office on your soil? https://rentry.org/tfas8

>>27988171
Everyone wants to be the RN without understanding what made it. Ill give Alice credit, she went for the French Navy instead

>mfw being too illiterate in military stuff to know what's going on to begin with

>>27987988
NTA, but this seems unfair. Who says all that has to be true? Good ship lumber can grow in cold climates, and there's no particular reason /inf/ can't have income streams that could fund a navy. Does 2434 have a balance sheet kek? I don't know if /inf/ should have the biggest navy in the world, but given their industry and location I think it would be relatively sizeable.

>>27988629
Aren't they constantly embroiled in civil war? Seems like their resources would be tied up in other matters.

>>27988629
We went over this a few months ago, but it's mainly the fact that clockland isolation would have probably fucked their economy, rather, what I see as an issue is that /infinity/'s constant political crisis and issues in government would make the creation of their navy a massive pain in the arse

>>27987484
>>27987988
>Underestimating both /∞/'s resources while making assumptions without merit, about what /∞/ has to the point you're making threats while pretending to be the victim.

>>27988629
>unfair
Considering they have ironclads, tell me what is unfair. 2434 makes a lot of money from the spice and opium trade, something that Inf doesnt have. Look at 2434s navy in lore as well as economy.

>>27988860
Your rep themselves told me that there wasnt a naval tradition and the fleet was coastal.

>>27988860
>Kronie pulling the victim card
You love to see it.

>>27988830
>>27988843
No, we fixed all of this because 2434 can handwave things so can we.

>>27989023
I'll take responsibility for that misunderstanding, writing our naval lore has been lacking, though part of that is due to circumstances outside my control.

>>27988830
>>27988843
And
Interesting lore ideas, but non canon.

>>27988843
I mean, that doesn't mean they can't have a navy, just that it might be a bit smaller in some manner /inf/rep clearly said he's not sure what size it would be, why is everyone piling on him so quick? He's a really nice dude, haven't seen him in a while, chill out everyone.

>>27989506
2434 feels threatened so they're trying to bully /inf/ into submission

>>27989299
You're tipping your hand too much, shitposter. /inf/ was only allowed their technological advantages because they had those drawbacks. If /inf/ fixes itself then it has to drop the tech angle too. For that matter, the nation should reflect the thread, so /inf/ is doomed to be a mess so long as the thread is.

>>27989671
Dont reply to shitposters lmao

Now that the clock rep is back, we can go back to the strategy, only posts by their tripfags count as statements from /infinity/, that's how we dealt with it back in the day.

>>27989671
Bingo, thats why NijiEN is a mess, it reflects the thread.

>>27989603
I mean, that's kinda what it looks like, but I guess they're just being pre-emptively defensive. There's no need for that, just talk things out instead of going aggro.

>>27989822
Is this why one schizo took over all the generals and threatened to rage quit thinking their lore to control everything would be tossed out?

Reminder that Meta posting is not actual threats.

>>27988308
I've not been on /vt/ in more of than a month. I've no problem really, but the other rep, who is the original, will probably be the one to give you a definitely answer. I'll be out of the game for a little longer too.

>>27989799
For those who were not here, it's also one of the things that led to the original rep system (the other one being the need to vote upon things)

>>27989903
Yep, I hate that schizo so much! He ruins everything and is unfair! I hope he not only quits but kills himself.

>>27990084
I agree, one rep for one country.

>>27990115
Yeah, I only vote for LazuLight. Your point?

Ah, I believe I'll rest for the night. It's been a while since I've cried for someone else's oshi.
Take care.

>>27990200
Take care, have a good night

>>27990179
Then you'll make sure everyone else has their own rep?

>>27988308
I'll run it by infinity later today, thank you for the offer. I'll let you know some time tomorrow!

>nasarep has a dedicated schizo
>pomerlaneanon has a dedicated schizo
>inf has a dedicated schizo
THEY ARE
why don't I have a dedicated schizo...[\spoiler]

Of my fucking god did the warmongeronie follow me here just today or has he been here since my absence

Back home gentlemen and sexy bitches. Can I ask that instead of whole cannibal shit we just have the fun festival and then you guys fuck off into space?

>>27989885
2434 threatening /inf/ and telling them what they can and can't do is only going to make /inf/ pursue it harder.

>>27990252
Yeah I will magically summon two people that will be regulars for this thread from two threads that asked me to write for them. Btw, I am not the rep for NijiEN, thats comfyanon. Love ya Antichama

>>27990398
>Things that never happened for 500, Alex.

>/meat/ anon wrote about the priestess trying to help /nasa/
>Sana fucking graduates
Bros.....???

>>27990376
>he missed the news

>>27990376
>you guys fuck off into space
Unfortunately, Risuner, that is exactly what is happening to the Sanalites.

>>27990363
Oh he came back, threaten 2434 and played the victim before you were here.

I think, lorewise, it is most appropriate that infinity focus it's resources (financial, military, and naval) in the constant civil war.
>It makes sense because we have a high schizo ratio
>It partially balances us having higher tech (unless that's been scrapped in my absence)
>We shouldn't be the best at anything because of our lack of competition from high tech and isolation, so we should settle for just what we need

>>27990530
i'm pretty sure that's why he said it

>>27990363
I'm just trying to get the logistics for our navy down since they've been neglected and making sure /risu/ isn't getting bullied into deals they don't want.
I'm still waiting on some other reps first.

>>27990558
This is a lie, check the archives.

>>27990376
Risuner, all I know is that I'm going to write the hottest MFF threesome on Vitubia featuring a 12 inch Sanacock, silky pink deadbeat hair and no squirrels
In Cunt Sanallite's honor!
t. deadbeat

>>27990558
Ridiculous. Just ignore him, I'm the rep anyway.

>>27990025
>>27990257
Alright then, hopefully there will be no objections!
>>27990363
It's been pretty quiet out of /inf/ until recently.

>>27990376
Can I have Charlie wear a tattoo and have him foster Risuner twins as he stays behind? No more /nasa/, no Grand Directive.

>>27990623
Well please be on your best behavior.

>>27990604
This. For their finale and last days here I was gonna say party it up and have some god damn fun with the natives before fucking off. I am well aware of Sana's graduation.

>>27990376
Hi risuner! How are the friends of our people

>>27990623
Yeah, no. I was there when you specifically said “I am sure you saw our Armada” and “Our reputation preceeds us”
>>27990640
Gotcha, Alice is the 2434 rep and shes a bit of a shitposter and an esl but she will get along fine with ya.

>>27990530
>tfw don't have time to visit /rose/ to feed the rosebutas cookies anymore.

>>27990793
>Ignoring the fact you were discussing how to sink our navy and were making overt threats to where you were saying you'd drag /risu/ into war.

>>27990683
Yes. The babies will be beautiful.

Damn I never watched Sana but I actually feel a bit weird myself. I can't even get horny tonight. And that's saying something coming from me

>>27990894
Former did happen but i clearly explain that was meta talk. Second never happened indeed opposite was true.

>>27990894
>drag /risu/ into war.
Anyone that tries to drag us into any war will be immediately BTFO of /risu/ while their ports burn.

ok i am back from crying… what did i miss????

>>27990943
grief

>>27990488
>isreal
Until anyone says otherwise >>27942697 is CANON AS FUCK
holy shit how do you guys meme magic all the time?!

NOT THIS TIMELOOP ALL FRIENDS HELP!!

>>27991109
Nijis are suffering from cock envy at the Kronie's huge clock, they're scrambling to re-establish dominance so their balls don't get impregnated by the dashing clockfuck.

>>27991246
ballpreg's pretty hot ngl

>>27991055
That never happened, though. I specifically remember it being said by Alice that she had no intention of doing that or hurting Risu unless attacked first. >>27991187
Sorry you came back to this.

>>27990566
Any opposition to this, guys?

>>27991344
Seems pretty reasonable.

>>27991344
Sounds good enough, although I think that's the plan all along?

>>27991187

>>27990943
The Sanalites are very special people who followed a very special vTuber like Sana. I'm just glad we could be friends for a while, squirrel friend.

>>27991246
The clock says you’re a faggot

>>27991425
Pretty much!
>>27991418
Thank you both. I'll tell infinity some time later

>>27991521
the thing is that they're actual unironic faggots

>>27991344
Hello Inf rep!!! I am alice and I read that the other kronie is dum so any tension is gone!!

Hey alice. You want some nuts?

>>27991631
I dont like nuts!!!

>>27990785
Here's a third party perspective of what happened.
>>27820115

As for the Nijis discussing how to sink our ships.
>>27548255
>>27548386
>>27548541
>>27548750
>>27692194

>>27991055
Better tell the Nijis to stop being so belligerent then.
>>27818140
>Looks like its time to ACCELERATE ship production and tech now...
>>27818849
>That is unless risu declares us a hostile power. Then we will have no choice in the matter!! But I ask risuners to not make such a choice!!
>>No.27819174
>I have no intention of hurting your nation because clocks decide its time for WAR.

>>27991631
>The Panon NTR arc begins

I wish I could forget the ball impregnation, but I don’t think I can

>>27991728
Dude, shut the fuck up you meta gaming warmongering cunt.

>>27991593
Hi, alice. Mind explaining >>27991728 for me?

I hope we can put any hostility, from either side, behind us.

>>27991838
NTA, but he just provided some context, he seems to be acting pretty reasonably to me.

>>27991776
>>27991687
I was just talking about nuts

>>27991838
Dude, he just produced a smoking gun that you talking about how to attack his ships and you're trying to claim he's the warmonger? Come on man.

Honestly, even if you manage to have friendly relations OOC in-thread, you should still declare war.
Come on, it'll be fun!

>>27991728
>third party perspective
>our ships

have any actual hostile actions been taken since my absence? be it war, hostile declarations / denouncements, etc

>>27991160
>nijianons and /nasa/ write something
>leads to arguments and retcons
>/meat/ write something
>becomes reality
How do they fucking do it?

>>27992190
Join us and find out...

>>27992165
We were VERY close to a risuner/sanalite war

>>27991891
Yea,
1. I dont know navy stuff so senpai was talking to me about ironclads, because they scared me.
2. I introduce myself to this cunt and he responds with threats about his armada and “reputation” i dont care if he misworded it, As a nation, you shouldnt take such statements lightly.
3. I funpost. Acceleration is a nijisanji meme and the clock one is too. I stated what would happen if war happened to risu by telling them we would not attack risu or anything in risu, unless risu specifically attacked us which would not happen.
Does this make sense?

>>27992129
third party perspective from /vrt/ he means, don't mae careless replies now please.

>>27992236
no... friends...

>>27992165
Hmm, were you around when the /morig/-/meat/ Tepid War was laid out? Deadbeats also had a short conflict with /ggg/, and the whole Pomerlane Saga is all historical wars being established in the past 20 years.

>>27992269
it makes sense, you were funposting and speaking with your thread culture while the kronie you were speaking with took it seriously. thank you for clearing it up!

>>27992165
Well, there's this tale
https://rentry.org/hidhh
and its tie-in post
>>/vt/thread/S26683971#p26704671

>>27992444
Woah... So this is the power of not-anime miscommunication...
Nice trips.

>>27992440
>>27992469
no, i missed all these. damn, i need to catch up when i go home

>>27992444
Thanks, I appreciate it!
>>27992091
I didnt post that

>>27992298
Oh, I thought he meant the whole post. My bad then.

>>27991964
So was I lol

>>27992165
A non canon war where 2434 blew the shit out of Megas is still the best

>>27992440
>/morig/-/meat/ Tepid War
I think that has been a thing for quite a while OOCly, at least the one that results in both of us writing about our ships and stuff
I would ask for more help in deciding how big /meat/ navy is but I don't think the usual approximation works well in this case

>>27991160
/meat/ Priestess asks for help. Homeland jumps the gun and perform decide ritual just to put Sanalites out of their misery. Sasuga meat. Goes straight for the kill

>>27992517
>Pomelane
35 chapters already. Good luck, but its worth it.

>>27992469
Huh, I don't wanna be that guy, but are those magical chuubanite communicators a thing? They're kind of a huge deal if so. I only remember thread discussions saying this kind of stuff was a bit too high tech.

>>27992738
Panon would still be a great help. If he is still awake

>>27992444
A few issues there.

1. They were talking about how to sink them, which is extremely provocative and any reasonable party would see it as a direct threat.
2. My stance was to make sure /risu/ was protected since there were other posts in how they were dead set on having a military presence and it appears to be connected to the trade deal itself and it was done from a perspective where they'd see /∞/ as a threat when you look at the posts about ironclads.
>>27547339
>>27550035
>>27550411
3. Shitposting is no excuse for trying to start a war, especially when their second post >>27818849 is implying /risu/ should take sides in a potential conflict.

Again, I wanted to make sure /risu/ wasn't getting bullied into any deals they didn't want and they responded extremely belligerently, while ignoring the fact they were talking about how to sink our ships. Unrealistically I might add.


Regardless, I want to shoot some things by you before you put the current idea up for a vote in /∞/. Mind putting it on hold so I can get it together?

>>27992738
Maybe you can draw a parallel to how many viking longships there were at a single time and scale with population?

>>27992864
I think takeus and the latest meat-nasa thing are the only places they've been mentioned so far. But I agree that they might be a bit too game-breaking for our setting.

>>27993026
Sheesh, ease up clock, discussing how to kill anything is half the fun of this thread. If all of that was threats of war, there would be hundreds of wars going on.

time to shill my writing again: https://rentry.org/anx4c

>>27992903
Yeah, he's definitely more knowledgeable in military stuff than us (then again, by now Alice probably is more knowledgeable than us in that regard), but at the same time /meat/ navy isn't exactly conventional, so I don't really know. The fact that many of them would probably be considered armed merchantman also likely muddle the numbers.

>>27993061
I'm thinking more about drawing inspiration from non-European (or "European", since we have cases like the Ottomans) Mediterranean countries, since they seem to operate in a similar way, while still having enough scale to actually be considered an actual navy. Then again, I guess it isn't very high in priority since it's not like /meat/'s going to war right?

>>27993026
>Risu
So convenient to leave this out.

I will repeat for the people in the back. ALICE DID NOT UNDERSTAND NAVAL STUFF UNTIL THAT DAY LITERALLY. Talking about how to defeat Ironclads is meta talk in that context. Man you love your shitty narrative.

>>27985468
Don't put a deadline on yourself take and much time as you need. It's a special circumstance, and there's no rule that members of a thread that no longer exists can't write lore for it.

>>27993366
Im here, what do you got in mind. Galley warfare is something i can get you numbers on too

>>27993265
I mean, it's just that two major nations have established messenger bird networks to enable long distance communication as fast as possible, but clearly such a device would make those obsolete, and when the comfydant wanted to give radio comms to his cyborgs, we all had to figure out a way to nerf them because full on comms would break the balance in terms of strategy. In the end, the range was limited to hundreds of meters or so due to chuubanite interference, iirc.

>>27993026
>>27993393
Hmm… That changes things, warmongeronie

Good night!!!

>>27993026
While I understand what you mean, e meant it in jest. Now that it's been cleared up, ease up.

Luckily I'm at work, so write up your idea and tell me before I head home and bring it to infinity.

>>27992864
Writer here. The telepathic communicators are meant to be 'adventurers gear' kinda like reminiscent of RPGs and fantasy anime. For balance they are given to every adventurer worldwide regardless of nationality It's my headcanon of explaining how we have internet levels of communication speed in a discovery era low fantasy setting ie Risuners telling people theyre coming in a short period of time

>>27993393
Did you conveniently forget the post that immediately proceeded that could be percived as a threat against /risu/?
>>27818849

The fact you're trying to hand wave all your actions by claiming it's meta, shitposting or ignorance is not going to cut it.
It's a clear double standard on top of that.

>>27993720
This is going to be a big issue where they can claim anything we do as a hostile act, while they'll pretend they were just shitposting, or stupid.
As for the proposal, the scope of it depends on some third parties I have to try and get in contact with. Also the question of how the fleet in /Risu/ that protects them and facilitates trade will come into play because that was already built and a constant state of civil war would raise questions on how it's maintained.

>>27993490
Well, basically /meat/ is supposed to have (or had, in the case of northern holosea) a significant naval presence as part of its legacy as seafaring raiders, and we're wondering if there's a way to gauge that in case someone comes around and ask
>so HOW strong are these wankers anyway?
and having an estimate on numbers of ships and stuff seem like a good place to start in true /vt/ catalog shitpost fashion. Since none of us in /meat/ seems to be familiar with naval stuff, we're wondering if you can help us in that regard.
We did write something about how /meat/ navy works here: https://rentry.org/vtwbg-meatlore#naval-history-of-meat-and-its-influence-on-contemporary-meat-ship-design
It's not exactly galley warfare, although it does contain elements of it, like how it does make use of paddles at times, the sails being more useful than the more prevalent square rig when in unfavourable wind conditions, and the focus on boarding action. Still, RL doesn't have magic smoke or crazy cannibal berserker, so it might not be a 100% accurate comparison.

I know it's frustrating. We've been perceived as warmongerers and land grabbers and that hasn't changed even in our absence, but you escalating it is not helping. They de-escalated, let it lie where it is.

Take your time with the proposal then, I'll wait. You know my twitter @ in case you want to contact me directly.

>>27993912
Well, the Risuners arrived in /who/ and /rose/ unannounced, more or less, that was kind of a plot point. I don't want to like restrict you, your stories are really great! I'll just kind of assume those devices don't really exist and they send letters or something.

>>27994188
meat for
>>27993980

>>27994228
Fantasy setting bro
magic is everything

>>27994294
>Science is everything!.png

>>27994188
>Spoiler
I don't have twitter and have no idea what your account is.

>>27993997
Ill get back to you tomorrow on this and we will get some good numbers
>>27993980
You might be the dumbest poster here if you think that was a threat by any means when it clearly states ONLY if attacked. I am a naval autist. I know what I am talking about to teach others. Its not my fault for explaining shit to someone nee. Stop being a cunt and drop it.

>>27994294
Instant comms do fuck a lot of shit up thought.

>>27994351
You're not gay enough to be a real kronie.

>>27994351
roru
rumao

>>27994294
Normally I'd agree but comms on that level mess up a lot of existing lore

>>27994351
Mate even I know it against my own wishes

Anyways, I will be taking my leave faggots. See you tomorrow with Chapter 36

>>27994374
Thanks in advance!

>>27994592
Np. I love my bros and i love miltary shit. Simple as. Anyways see ya

>>27994497
Were adventurers involved?
Maybe they can be handwaved

>>27994188
didnt help he made a veiled threat which immediately cause everyone to assume the worst

>>27994294
>>27994345

>>27994596
>No seatbelts

>>27994374
>Don't get involved or we will be forced to attack you.
All the insults and excuses doesn't mask what you're doing.
But I'll be the bigger anon here and follow my reps advice.

>>27994436
Am I going to get a hint if I wanted to discuss things with you?

>>27994756
See
>>27820115

>>27994882
it's flipbud.

>>27994536
now how'd that happen
>>27994882
@archivebud
again i'm still wageslaving so i'll check it later

>>27994701
I mean, who are these adventurers? How many are there? Is it just a single guild? Why wouldn't this technology eventually spread to governments and civilians?

>>27994882
Vrt anon doesnt speak for me or what I think. i was there. you made a veiled threat and back tracked.

>>27995184
Go to bed Alice

I once again apologize on behalf of any and all kronies who knowingly or unknowingly start shit in this thread since the dawn of time
[kronii_smoking.jpg]

>>27995309
If it makes you feel any better, I think this is the only kronie timeloop that happened in your absence.

>>27995272
Not her.

>>27995382
>i return
>kronie timeloop happens
why...

>>27995161
>why wouldnt the tech spread
Maybe adventurer guilds are pretty secretive about the tech. only in-house antiquarians can develop the artifacts. Having that kind of power in a pre-phone setting is balance breaking. But so far it's been used for the fantasy RPG trope
the Takeus story mentions how it's only awarded to veteran adventurers so thats probably a balance
As for the priestess, it's /meat/. Nuff said

actually can i get a link to the new takeus story? since i wrote the first two

>>27995668
It's this one.
>>27992469

>>27995668
It's linked here >>27992469

>>27995508
Well, this really doesn't explain anything, other than /meat/ having comms tech centuries ahead of everyone else for no particular reason. Again, I don't think he needs to re-write the stories or anything, I'd just like to know if there's an agreement those devices in particular don't actually exist, otherwise strategical communications in the world are about to get a big overhaul.

>>27994941
I'm ignoring the shitposter who's still trying to start a war with us.
And Made an account, so is there are way to do PMs on twitter?

>>27995766
>>27995773
thankies

>>27995856
it's much appreciated.
go to an account you want to talk to. next to the follow button should be a mail icon for DMing him.

>>27995822
Wasn't there a proposal for reps to have similar devices in-universe for voting that was turned down for being too overpowered?

>>27995967
Yes, that made me a bit more comfortable bringing this up

>https://rentry.org/hidhh
there is a special kind of joy in reading someone else write a very, very good story with a character you created.
i love this general. i hope to start contributing more often again.

>>27996083
Apparently the one macguffin that would explain a lot of shit like fast communication between reps got turned down
boooooo

>>27995947
I don't see anything like that, just the triple dot, bell and follow button.
Do you have to follow me back? Or are new accounts not allowed to send DMs?

>>27996250
Well, the reps in so far as they're represented are all together in /vtwbg/, so there's no need for such a device.

>>27996250
To be fair, the stories taking place in the /vtwbg/ UN are pretty fun, so I'm okay with the reps having to meet in person.

>>27996358
not entirely sure. follow me and i'll follow you back on my break, then i'll try to dm you myself
>>27996406
how do the reps get word of decisions back to their homelands, and vice versa, so quickly, then?

>>27996451
Who said it happens quickly?

>>27996451
They don't, the decisions of the nations are worked out through normal diplomatic channels, and something that takes second in real time might take weeks or months in Vitubia. Since we're not restricted by a specific time dilation this works fine.

>>27996451
Done, I already tried a work around to access the message menu and it said I can't send you a DM.

I might go to sleep by the time you DM me, but we'll try and work out a communication window.

>>27996247
How good was it, senpai?

>>27996841
I absolutely loved it! Really creative stuff. The links to other works seamlessly integrated into the actual story was so well done, too. I like the intercontinuity!
>>27996741
>>27996691
Hmm, that actually makes sense. How else would our countries have generations and generations when most of our fandoms have been here for less than 4 years, and vt only existed for less than 2?

Almost forgot about the word cloud with everything that happened...

>>27997295
>/nasa/ war nation rep
Hhhmmmmm

>>27997295
Waranon won...

>>27997295
>sexpai being that big
How horny was risuner yesterday?

>>27997399
He usually does...
>>27997636
This horny: >>27949305

But not in the way we wanted...

>>27988171
Our ships and naval history would be more like the Burgers though even that's just an inspiration and closest comparison. Don't want to mold countries in Vitubia with the IRL mold too much.

>>27999292
/who/ btw I'm the one who will be out of bread baking commission for a week

My condolences to /nasa/rep, I'll be sure to canonize /uuu/ fostering the animals you've left behind. Much love and take as much time as you need my friend.

>>27988310
The sun never sets on the infinity empire!
>several centuries later the Kronii Empire falls apart and they suffer from their own version of The Troubles with that island to the north which is Kronii Ireland

backreading some lore and i love the idea of admiral jovial and his crew. i actually wanted some time ago to write something like this - a kronie schizo hunter, a KFP fire mage, a /meat/ beserker, and an /hlg/ shock troop fighting off a rrat horde. It would've blatantly been based off of Vermintide; this is exactly what I hoped for only better and more original
KRONIISIAH BLESS THIS RAVAGED BODY

>>28000298
>/hlg/
You mean /hlgg/

>>28000482
right, yes
>>28000008
but infinity is always in the troubles...

>>28000572
gotta love UK and its underplayed and nondescriptive names

>>28000298
>"Which one in particular? The time he choke slammed a schizotroll in the Imperial Court, that explosion in Ahoy, or the time he got caught using Risuners as meat shields?" I asked, bringing a couple of Jovial's more recent adventures for contextual clarification.
this fucking guy

>>28000298
As the guy who wrote the /meat/ priestess saga, including Jovial and co., thanks
Also, because of >>27995508 >>27995161
Im thinking of solidifying the concept of Adventurers in this world. Gonna write a proposal soon, from the different types of guilds, their technology and magical powers, and of course its role.
Also, I have came up a better name for 'Adventurers'
Catalognauts

>/meat/chad being the pioneer of lorebuilding
>again
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>28000709
I kneel
>>28000823
>even when a kronie writes lorebuilding it's about /meat/
I see the /meat/ cabal is still in power

eagerly awaiting the continuation of takeus's story, as well as that of jovial's merry band. the latter especially since they were investigating /nasa/ and, well...

>>28000709
in theory, mercenary companies would fill that role instead of guilds, and also the instant comms still mess things quite a bit.

>>28001038
they already returned home since they only went to check up on /nasa/ for /hlgg/.
The only change is that the priestess chose to stay and spread the good word
>>28001102
>merc companies
Oh I have already jot that down. And some more, including charter corpos.
>instant comms
Yeah. This proposal will try to balance that out so it wont be OP and a crutch. There is one keyword I will focus on, 'catalog'.

What happens when the Catalognauts find the greater website - and access to the long lost lands of /jp/?

bump

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bump

bump

If your thread has this many bumps on it, it might be time to see a doctor.

>>28011185
dead hours will be over shortly.

https://twitter.com/MistleToesArt/status/1546723665802399746?t=gn9oKrzc6EXmbCBXKaH8Xw&s=19

This outside the /vtwbg/ delegation building

>bait threads from SEA kill Mya general.
Fuck.

I am up, working on Chapter XXXVI where we go back to the Syrenian front this year and introduce a local hero.

>>27981552
>>27981452
The clouds roll in. The thunders boom. Lightning strike once, twice, thrice across the snowy landscape. The blizzard stops and resumes in rhythms. The mossbacks nowhere to be seen, the bison had since fled the clearings. Patches of snow, mud, and grass litter the surface. Boot prints frozen in shape.

A distant bellow from the heavens. A thunderous cascade.

In a brief passing, the sky turned green, then red, then blue, all in a myriad of colours. An aurora. The beacon of hope in the cold north, or so it was. Until the colours settled on a peculiar tint. Nay, not a tint but a taint. One for the sky and the cosmic backdrop behind it. One not of this world. One not for the fair of mind nor the faint of heart. A colour that only brings madness to those who ponder for too long. A colour that brings with it knowledge that corrupts the mind.

Far, far, beyond the crater that houses the aether citadel of metal, plastic, and glass. Lies a taiga, quiet and empty. Not anymore. For if one could see closer, shapes begin to appear. Slowly, slowly, slowly, making their way between the trees.

They lumber through the snow and mud.
The fuzzy beasts bear their talons.
The deranged shamans carry their staves.
The hungry heretics whet their blades.
...And for the more recent additions to the family, they fiddle their firearms protruding off their broken suits.

Forbidden knowledge. Forbidden faith. Congregating. Materialising.
The eye of the storm buzzes ominously over the wrecked remains of the station.

They hear it. The voices from beyond.
They see it. The images from the heavens.
They know it. The thoughts from the catalog.

They snigger and guffawed. They have not tasted the blood of Holo worshippers since the time of the green one.

A goddess is falling. War is coming.

So was /meat/'s entire island banished off the planet, or just inaccessible from the catalog hyperspace?

>>28013776
Lovely stuff. I love /meat/ lore.

>>28014230
You know Stephen King's The Mist? or The Pale from Disco Elysium? or just Silent Hill.
I think /meat/ and other 'banished' places have been clouded by some dimensional rift that to the naked eye looks like a fog.
Anyone going in will find themselves returning back to where they came from.
Those who are in the banished realms are isolated. They cannot leave the fog surrounding the barrier.

>>28014388
Now that's really cool of a concept. I should write a story from the perspective of an outsider trying to contact one of the banned fetish isles.

>>28014230
Made it official
https://rentry.org/e958q

Hickorypuff Lunaito here, exposure to banjo music while writing for the Hickorypuffs and watching Moonshiners has unironically caused banjo to become my new favorite instrument. I am going to buy a banjo now because listening to that shit is like pure audible heroin to me. I cannot stop myself from doing a little jig.
Also listening to Foggy Mountain Breakdown has inspired me to begin work towards a tabletop system based off of Vitbuia so that we can eventually do things like /qst/ threads based off of the setting. I am motivated by the banjo.

>>28011185
Some of them are also bumping when we are only at p 8. If you are bumping pls try to bump only when we hit p 9 or even better 10

>>28014817
>>28014230
Err but the image is named schizo shaman? And the bit about "more recent additions to the family" seems to refer to mozzies.

Gonna wait until new thread to post Chapter XXXVI

>>28015086
>Foggy Mountain Breakdown
Based Appalachian brother.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJOIqmlI65Y

I am limited by phoneposting as is the other breadmaker I believe.
Someone must put on the mitts

>>28017481
I would, but I have no idea how long the cooldown for baking is because I made a general earlier.

Since Alice is going for the French navy pre-revolution, (roughly equal to the Royal navy unironically) and her navy should be in the top 3 without a doubt because of how the nation is designed, I think we can see the standard from her's that will allow everyone else to scale properly.

>>27994294

>>28017736
Pre-revolution France as in, which time period? France was a significant naval power, but never as dominant as Spain, England, or the Netherlands.

>>28017736
So far it seems like people just pick a number that feels about right for navy sizes, I think I'll use a more simulationist approach for ours.

we only got like 20 boats

>>28018007
>>28018133
Just wait till I am done, because I am going to explain things in this that will help everyone. The French Navy pre-revolution was much better than you think and we owe our independence to them.

>>28018832
I know it was good, but you are underestimating the other three navies I've listed if you're talking about the XVIIth-XVIIIth century.
Also, >our.

>>28018832
>we

>>28018993
I am speaking as an American, so we does apply in that context.
>>28018970
I am not underestimating them at all, the Dutch and Spanish were great powers. France was too.

>>28019091
>Being American
Anon, I'm so sorry...

>>28019091
>American
Sorry for your loss, but at least it's marginally better than SEA.

>>28019136
>>28019384
B-but most ITT are burgers?

>>28019437
No, Québec runs this thread.
t. deadbeat

>>28019437
No, the Netherlands runs this thread.
t. deadbeat^2

>>28019477
>Québecois
>Dutch
Aside from the obvious /meat/heads how many shadowy cabals control this thread...

>>28019758
Alice is also Quebecois.

>>28019787
I know, but for a thread with around 20 active posters I think the burgers are still the majority. You have like what, 6-8 anons who admitted they are not from the states?

>>28019872
The burgermind really thinks that if someone didn't declare they are not from the States, then they are from the USA.

>>27981552
https://rentry.org/8ycn8
This is for 2434, I did a lot of research on this, and I understand what a large fleet needs, so I scaled it properly. This should help all naval powers scale properly.

>>28019946
Yeah, stupid. Shit on me for saying our but I was speaking as an American specifically.

>>28019946
Burgerland does have the largest English as first language population in the world. Also this board is the most active during usual burger hours
>t. not a burger

>>28020016
Can I ask an honest question? Why do they have such a large navy without an overseas empire and why do they even need it.

>>28020078
Average Burger knows 0.5 languages at most.

>>28020156 (me)
I realize this might sound too hostile, it was meant as banter. Either way, there's a whole world out there that speaks English, and collectively they outnumber Americans. Hell, there's a larger population that speaks English well outside of the US than in the US.

>>28020090
>Why do they have such a large navy without an overseas empire and why do they even need it.
A few reasons.
1. They rely on their naval power to protect trade and ensure the markets stay open. Have a lot of Ships of the Line ensure that.
2. They have a unique position of being able to grow the stuff which Euro empires prospered over like spices, sugar, and drugs without overseas colonies.
3. /ahoy/ exists, and it can be inferred they could need it for other purposes. The world isn't filled out so it needs to be understood that we cannot just say "you can't have a large navy because of xyz" when things aren't fleshed out enough.

>>28020156
>>28020243
Your average American doesn't even know other states, as fun as it is to mock burgers, this is a worldwide problem of being ignorant.

>>28020016
Isn't Alice their rep? Why are you doing this? Feel like you meta too much.

>>28020016
I personally would drop the number of ships-of-the-line by around 25-30% to accommodate for more frigates and smaller vessels because a lot of work /2434/'s navy do should be pirate hunting and patrols. Depends on how /ahoy/'s navy is structured, but since /2434/'s focus (trade flow & naval based) would probably be confined to their western coast. Since the sea is kinda enclosed the most ships are probably more like what the barbary pirates used than say the Royal navy. In that case force dispersion would be better than concentration since /2434/ doesn't face any immediate naval invasion, but rather piratical activities.

sub bitches, jsut returned from work, since its basicly one full thread of text i am too lazy

what did i miss since sana graduted?

It slightly amuses me that mikeneko was finally going to be placed on the map right after the vshojo announcement

>>28020552
/inf/ gets bonked again for their navy; telecommunication timeloop

>>28020503
>/ahoy/
Well, here is the other thing about /ahoy/ They will likely have more ships of the line that the barbary states did because they won't have the same issues as the barbary states. Truth is, I made this as a reference for everyone else to scale towards. They also have the problem of two oceans. It's better to leave it is as now then fixing it later when the map is more filled out because who knows? We could have a major naval power in the Eastern Sea at some point.

>>28020624
thats good, so i missed nothing basicly

>>28020937 (me)
This is also the period when Galley combat started to die out.

>>28020937
even if we ignore what ahoy potentially could be, aren't /nasfaqg/ and /2434/ already major naval powers in their?

HELLO!!!!!

>>28021005
Nasfaq is not that simple because of the companies, some would likely be hostile. Either way, the map isn't filled out enough in my opinion to reduce the number of Capital Ships simply because this should serve as a reference sheet to help others out like Morig and who.

>>28020016
SUFFREN!!!!! He is my great great great great great granddad

>>28021005
/nasfaqg/ collectively probably has an absurdly large navy, far surpassing any individual state, given that it's made up of sea-dependent often multinational companies who compete not just domestically, but also globally. The issue is, well, that it's made out of those independent, fractured company-states, and they are not prone to banding together usually, so even if their fleet is gargantuan, any conflict they participate in will have maybe 10-15% of it engaged at most, probably with some spread on both opposing sides.

>>28020361
i am the rep but my Prince has my permission to write for me <3

>>28020585
What was more amusing is that we were voting on it when the announcement came.

>>28020585
Well, assuming the mikeneko thread sticks around, it will still have to be placed on the map.

That one Kronie REALLY hates Alice, holy crap. I remember that going down and while she wasn't innocent, she wasn't doing what he said she was.

>>28021396
While I understand why you can come to that conclusion, its impossible for any nation to have a fleet as large as you are describing. Merchant ships? Probably more than twice of anyone else but not warships, that's logisticallly impossible.

>>28021712
haters gonna hate!!

[my thread]'s fleet is almost certainly the largest in the world, due to [factors] and [reasons]. This is balanced by the fact it has [disadvantage]
t. nasfaqg, inf, 2434

>>28021396
i mean yeah its split apart but this huge

its the same for /vrt/, got a hgue navy but since most of it is out sailing the sea around the world for months or even years it would be hard to collect it all into on giant attackign force

>>28021909
At least Nasfagq and 2434 have built their lore to make sense.

>>28021938
I should have mentioned with /2434/ that they have 3 separate fleets in two oceans/seas.

>>28021962
2434 meta'd their fleet into existance by acting like this is a strategy game.

>>28021101
Well we do have a rather short coast line and our sphere of influence/interest is very far from /2434/. /Who/'s admiralty wouldn't really concern themselves too much over the naval development of /2434/ especially since they doesn't have much that /who/ can steal from. We would be more worried about /inf/ and /meat/ than any other countries. Since the first one has a tech advantage over us together with the rather tense bilateral relationship. The second is an ally of the first and acts as potential a potential rival to our access to the Eastern Holo continent. (Well probably anyways, not set in stone) Our naval planning would focus on Homeland defense and some shipping protection but I do plan on making it so /who/ is slowly shifting it's strategy to have a bit more global outlook.
That aside I really think you can have a little more leeway when it comes to the actual size of any navies since Vitubia countries are absolutely massive. Of course they probably wouldn't be as densely populated as comparable irl countries of the period we are going for, it still presents more manpower and resources to justify a bigger navy as long as there is a reasonable cause for the country to do so. I think not just you, but everyone should look a bit into how ocean currents and wind would affect trade routes in Vitubia. We just assume ships take the shortest route on the map but the conditions of it would impact the naval strategy massively for every nation.

>>28022133
Yeah, I think your fleet, 2434s and Morig should roughly be around the same size. That's why I laided out the French navy pre-revolution as the prototype for 2434 (alice had it going that route) which was arguably as strong as the RN.

>>28022258 (me)
>tech advantage over us together with the rather tense bilateral relationship.
In retrospect, I am shocked that the one inf writer took it so personally when I was talking about how to defeat ironclads because that can absolutely break the world. Not to mention I was teaching Alice about this stuff too.

>>28021157
Missed this, You are a descendant of Suffren Alice?

TECHNOLOGY IS FOR NERDS

>>28021799
It's not logistically impossible, it's logistically necessary.
There's a reason why tiny nations like the United Provinces, Venice, Portugal, or in a sense Britain could and did become naval titans. For the merchant ships, it's possible that a single major company has more than a country, if it's focused on shipping. A company-state like VOC had around 300 active, on duty ships in its prime, and that doesn't count the mothballed or idle fleet. If you look up numbers for either the British East India Company or the VOC, imagine it's like that but with 40-50 companies in a single pseudo-country.

I got bored and added my own original concept art
https://rentry.org/e958q

>>28022499
Here's is where I take issue with this analogy. You are absolutely correct, but what needs to be said is that Nasfagq doesn't have overseas territories that I know of that can support the number of ships. VOC had Indonesia, Portugal had Brazil, Angola, Mozambique and more, Venice was largely a galley based fleet, and the EIC had india. You can have as many companies as you want but it odesnt change the fact that unless you have an overseas Empire, its impossible to have that many war ships concentrated in one area unless they are galleys. Sheer population, and the amount of wood in the world prevents this too.

>>28022522
Oh that's right, /meat/ let's talk your navy since it is unique and I'll try to get you rough numbers.

>>28022258
Our naval tradition isn't as strong and right now I think our biggest market should be the indie continent and Holo continent with /hlgg/ as the easternmost. You don't really have to look at our fleet and so do we. Hoshiyomia is already a strong naval power and as much as /who/ would like to expand its trade and reach more, we will always be a fortresses republic as heart. Maintaining the Republic's autarky and security is of utmost importance. Kinda like the French I guess, where most of their units nowadays aren't really geared for expeditionary purpose( though they certainly maintain and are good at that capability), with their most important goal is to secure France itself.

>>28022704
Ehh
Navy guy is the one with the trip
I think
i dont know much about navy stuffs

>>28022708
Good thing you have my reference materials lol.
>>28022732
I was requested by him last night to go over it and get numbers.

>>28022443
Err Time to go through his bloodline and doxx Alice or something

>>28022650
/nasfaqg/ doesn't operate on the colonialist logic, though, it operates on more or less "modern" trade-conglomerate logic. It is well past mercantilism, and gathers resources globally from business ventures and investments. A conglomerate like General Electric never owned any land, and yet it was and yet has had and has bigger revenue than 2/3rds of the world.
Besides, it's fantasy logic. The whole identity of /nasfaqg/ revolves around trade, companies, and making absurd amounts of wealth. Hell, the central piece of /nasfaqg/, the stock exchange, essentially creates value out of nothing... and that's an actual game mechanic which was written off in lore as supernatural and somewhat eldritch.

>>28022443
Yes!!! The French Nelson himself....

what is navy? we only have 20 pinisi mostly unarmed or barely armed. Kek

>>28022893
All I am trying to say is that the war fleet cannot be much larger than anyone else collectively because the size of harbors and moors will not allow that.

>>28022955 (me)
They can afford it no doubt, but they have nowhere to even station that many ships is my point.

>>28022650
Oh, and regarding the amount of wood, where are the famous Dutch woodlands? They had about 40% of total European fleet in the XVIIth century, largely due to efficient shipbuilding and ingenuity of design (employing windmills to cut wood, beyond just watermills).
>>28022955
You really don't want for me to autistically calculate how many times the Netherlands would fit into the /nasfaqg/ coastline to calculate that theoretical limit due to "size of harbors". It'd probably be in the several thousands, and I don't think that's the limit you want to argue is being breached.

>>28022926
we gave you a frigate!!!! remember???

>>28022704
>>28022732
Here I am. Anything I can help?

>>28023052 (me)
The issue with ships isn't really the wood cost, or size of harbors, it's monetary cost and sailor population. A rich state with a sizeable sailor manpower pool due to a maritime tradition and existing infrastructure can build a much larger fleet than one that just started to focus on the navy, or has other monetary concerns.
Although, I argue this, I think that still, the fleet composition of /nasfaqg/ will be extremely slanted towards the merchant ships in terms of ratio.

>>28023052
I understand, but you cannot tell me that Nasfaqg has like 100 Ships of the Line. I think we are misunderstanding each other in terms of vessels. They no doubt have a ton of india men but it's hard to imagine much of the money being put into capital ships for obvious reasons.

>>28023185
>>28023201
Then we both agree.
>>28023163
I was asked last night this: >>27993997
Would you like to let me get into the numerical details of this for you?

>>28023277
Sure, I'm the one who asked it, after all. I don't know much about navy or military stuff (the doc actually was written with help from another navy anon back then), but I'll try to fill in any blanks you might need for the analysis.

/nasfag/ would you like to set up trade between us in terms of offices and rights??? we have a lot of drugs and spices, but I assume we have beeen doing business for a long long time and this was in the past.

>>28022363
Don't forget we also have an ironclad. Although it only has an armored belt and is in all means and practices a prototype just to prove we can build an steam warship and test a bunch of shit on it.

I'm not writing today. Its not as bad as yesterday but I still feel despair. I'm going to outline some ideas in my head and take the day off.

>>28023339
Alright, I am going to operate under the assumption that your capital ships are Galleass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galleass
because what you described is basically along these lines. Correct me if I am wrong before I get started.

>>28023387
To be fair, I am sure Alice is messing around with that stuff too all things considered. "Acceleration" from 2434 Chuubanite is hit or miss from my understanding

>>28023432
Seems about right, I assume it's somewhat more sea-worthy, since we do know /meat/ raids often cross the holosea and other nearby bodies of water. Not sure if the difference in sail design would affect things too much in the grand scheme of things.

>>28023105
WAIT WHAT!? WHO!? Dammit now i need to go through my notes.

>>28023201
Concurring. Ships of the line are VERY expensive to build and maintain. To secure shipping you want frigates that are fast and nimble to catch pirates and other frigates. Ships of the line aren't as slow as you'd think but their sheet cost and being logistical nightmares means ships of the line would be an luxury item for the companies, a flex, if you will. Ships of the line are also not cost efficient at all for the purpose /nasfaqq/ would want the most, ships of the line are really good at beating any ships but that's basically all they are good for. For a country full of ruthlessly efficient conglomerates you'd think they would make smarter decisions than to spam big 80 guns plus warships. I do know anons spend a lot of in-game bucks to buy stupid hats but there are better, more grounded ways to implement it like having them being super lavish instead

>>28023568 (me)
/meat/ ships might also be more lacking in the artillery department, which I think is what is used IRL to grade warships during the period

>>28023201
Collectively, I think they could have 100 Ships of the Line or even more, but you need to look at it from an individual company's perspective:
When you have a massive, sprawling company that carved out a niche for itself, it will seek to protect its own interests, and once it gets big enough to essentially act as a de facto state, it will also build up a military to protect its investments. Such a hypothetical being will likely have a single flagship (to flex), probably first-class, and the rest will likely be faster ships like third- or fourth-class vessels (you could also call them just powerful warships or man-o-wars), making the number of their ships-of-the-line to maybe 5. The rest of their fleet will be predominantly frigate- and sloop-based.
They need that fleet for two reasons: first is protecting trade from foreign interests, but the second is also inter-/nasfaqg/ competition. With the companies competing internally, it would result in a naval arms and innovation arms race, as was in the lore for a long time. This is why companies would maintain a sizeable war fleet, albeit likely spread throughout the world just to protect their holdings there.
Multiply that by 30-80 companies like that, and you can see why I would argue about that fleet size.
That being said, even if they get engaged in a conflict, you will have different companies backing different sides, and most will likely just not get involved. The reason the navy is so big is because the income is large, and the income is large because of the sheer scope of operation, which dilutes the number of ships realistically available. In a single conflict, even if it's large, you likely won't see more than 10-20 ships of the line from /nasfaqg/.

>>28023640
My point isn't that they are spamming large warships. Quite the contrary, it's extremely slanted towards merchant ships, and when it comes to war fleet, then fast frigates with maybe a single third- or fourth-rate ship-of-the-line warship to commander a naval squadron. It's the number of companies and the scope that inflate it. If /nasfaqg/ was a single united entity, I would agree completely, it would have a navy that's maybe a fraction of what it would have now.

>>28023568
I am not going to get into technical aspects when I can make the assumption that they are more seaworthy. Let's see... One of the problems /meat/ will have with /morig/ is simply that it doesn't matter how much you throw at Ships of the Line, the massive size of cannons will destroy these types of ships. 32 pounders will absolutely smash these ships. My recommendation is that you actually go for smaller ships for raids because they would be harder to catch. For larger ships, you'd honestly be better off being asymmetrical in your approach and rely on Fireships, Demolition Ships, and fast frigates to come in to do what you have described. Xebecs are my recommendation for your raiding fleet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xebec
Truth is, Holosea is too big for oar based ships to be effective.

If you agree, I'll dive right into the numbers.

>>28023584
ALICE

>>28023975
That sounds about right for what's been established, so I have no issues with that. I guess we can work on what kind of /meat/ special ships can take the roles of fireships and demolition ships later. Xebec sounds pretty cool, too!
... though I still kind of want a few bomb vessels, even if all they do is sit in the port waiting for the prophesied great raid that might never come.

>>28023741
>>28023927
Anon, the VOC and EIC did not have ships of the line. You really need to understand that for a company, there is little reason to have those kind of ships. Maybe they will have massive indiamen with like 50 guns, but nothing like you are thinking because that's not how these things worked.

>>28024151
I approve of Bomb Ketchs, that was part of what I was thinking actually. Let's think of numbers....

Probably you have some 150 Xebecs, 25 or so "Capital Ships" which are basically 5th Rate Frigates that you modify for speed and ramming. Fire and Demo ships... 75 in stock but they are easy to build. 20 Bomb Ketches. Seems like a lot of numbers but you are going against Morig.

>>28023741
Man-o-war refers to any heavily armed fighting vessel(so frigates and up). You also need to understand that 1st rates are VERY expensive to make. Phone posting so don't have the numbers but iirc HMS victory cost like a million pounds to build in the 1760s. Some companies having them? Sure but it would be limited to the richest of companies.

>>28023927
Well... Aside from manpower money is also an important resource.

>>28024297
This. It would be a net loss for these companies to use Capital Ships. Frigates at most.

>>28024267
I can't really conceptualise what those numbers mean, but I trust your judgement in that regard.

>>28024399
Thanks, go raise hell!!

>>28024026
im a fucking derp.

>>28024442
We'll! Well, apart from people we trade and/or ally with.
... that phrasing make it sounds kinda underhanded.
Speaking of numbers, does it make sense for /meat/ to have its (sometimes) armed merchantmen convert between civilian/commercial and raiding use? Or would military ships be too specialised for that purpose?
Also, would like to ask for clarification on whether it's fine to call the capital ships listed in >>28024267 as galleass.

>>28024297
>thinking the money is a problem
>in /nasfaqg/
Richest plutocrats probably spend more on their toilets (with complete plumbing) than HMS Victory.
>>28024169
First of all, this is straight-up untrue. VOC and EIC had ships that would qualify as ships-of-the-line under the British system. Additionally, don't think of them as historical companies, think of them as merchant-states. VOC and EIC both had their daddy Dutch/British navies to run to if they encountered any problems, they only needed small operational numbers of warships to solve small problems on their own. /nasfaqg/ has no such entity to turn to.
>>28024336
A net loss is having your navy destroyed by a rival company. I don't get why you are so opposed to it, in a fictional setting, for essentially the richest maritime power in the entire vitubia.

>>28024546
I would call them what you want since Galleass are out of date by this point and will cause confusion. Frigate would work just fine.

>>28023396
Stop whining over Sana.

>>28024652
Noted. Thanks!

>>28024602
My whole point is that the logistics of maintaining ships of the line on such a large scale is impossible, even for these companies. It's a problem money cannot solve. What they would likely do is use large Indiamen and refit them as ships of the line when needed. This is what happened in real life. It's hard to imagine companies just having 3rd rates sitting around, let alone 1st rates as deterants when ships like this do just fine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Calcutta_(1795)
I am only doing this because it makes the suspension of disbelief easier.

>>27994941
||I heard about what happened to you while browsing inf a while ago. My condolesences.||

>>28024533
Yes!!! We gave you a 40 gun frigate as a token of friendship.

>>28024967
>Fucked up the spoilers.
My apologies, it's been a long day. But it's good to have you and /inf/ back.

>>28024982
WELL FUCK WE GOT A FLAGSHIP NOW! I shall name it something cool later on and use it for things soon.

there is only 9 pages so i will bake
>>28025221
Can you name it after ZEA Cornelia? She is from ID and one of my favourites.

>>28024910
/nasfaqg/ is an environment in which rich plutocrats casually bet the equivalents of 4-5 first-rate ships-of-the-line on a sports event. It's an environment that's essentially an anarcho-capitalist/minarchist society with no real-world equivalents. It's an environment which, if you wanted to really autistically crunch the numbers and go with NASFAQ numbers, has 50% of the world's wealth located just in its financial stock exchange system.
Believe me. I'm doing you a favour by jotting it down as I did before, because realistically /nasfaqg/ does not make historical sense in and of itself, but it does in the context of /vtwbg/ and /vt/ as a whole. Just consider it not as a state, but as a collection of merchant city-states of absurd, unquantifiable wealth, where having and maintaining a technologically advanced single first-rate ship of the line as a flagship and a status symbol is essentially a non-issue from the cost perspective.
And believe me, I agree with you, that in terms of the actual fleets frigates and third- fourth-rate ships like the ones you've listed would likely be preferred. This is just the issue of fragmentation and scale.

>>28024658
If it wasn't for Sana I wouldn't be here worldbuilding. Also I'm just outlining my plans on when I can write later.

>>28025338
FRESH BREAD

>>28023355
who exactly?

>>28025719
Alice in 2434 Come over to new bread, only 9 pages...

>>28025736
im still catching up with nasfaqg fleet discussion

>>28025780
Ok!!

Back on page 8...No reason to swap threads yet.

Fun fact, one of the largest /nasfaqg/ corporations is allied with /morig/, with co-founded military installations on each territory.

>>28025258
eh sure why the fuck not. Cornelia it is.

>>28025364
>It's an environment which, if you wanted to really autistically crunch the numbers and go with NASFAQ numbers, has 50% of the world's wealth located just in its financial stock exchange system.
This does make the very incorrect assumption that all companies are represented on the NASFAQ.

>>28026449
This makes the assumption that global economy's GDP is the same as in 1820's, equivalent of 1.2 trillion USD adjusted for inflation, whereas NASFAQ's market capitalization at the moment equals to also 1.2 trillion USD. It actually assumes that NASFAQ exists outside of what would be considered the global economy, otherwise it'd be 100%, which does not make sense.
My point was basically that crunching numbers and trying to argue historically in a punk history setting with clear supernatural elements is ultimately fruitless.

>>28026569
Well, the point then is that if the wealth of nasfaq in-universe is just an arbitrary number, this arbitrary number seems too large.

>>28026569
Wait until they realize we grow gems out of trees underground

>>28026699
Yet it is a number more concrete than anything you could use to justify anything such as navy size or wealth for any other nation.
This is is why I am against autistic numbers crunching, you might not have been here for the early threads, but we agreed upon punk history for a reason. All you need to know is that /nasfaqg/ is wealthy beyond reason and that only a small part of the companies in it will be defined in /vtwbg/, and their fleets won't be as large since it does not make sense to pool /nasfaqg/'s fleet collectively.

>>28026960
nasfaqg numbers stupid makes no sense to directly translate to vtwbg, powergaming is boring

>>28026960
Well, I agree it would be easier to leave the number crunching aside. I'd rather leave our fleet as a nebulously sized narrative-driven fleet.

>>28027654
Same. We agree here. Maybe only define the size of fleets for individual companies or entities.