/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>27856077
No

They aren’t a clear threat to the big two, and certainly not VSPO, but they can potentially eat the small corpos bit by bit if they play their cards right. I assume their maximum potential is an upper middle strength company, but getting there could be more damaging to them than it seems.

As big as Cover and Anycolor? Nah, probably not unless something causes those companies to fail. Phase Connect is growing well though. Apparently the owner has a ton of money so funding shouldn't be a problem for a while? They definitely have a better chance than most of the other smaller companies making a push in the west. You know a company can throw its weight around when they make a gen around poached talents and it isn't just a publicity stunt.

>>27856077
On one hand, I'd like to be nice, wholesome and kind by saying yes. On the other, I'm still holding grudges for all those bans and won't personally patronize them for that reason. But the whole never forgiving or forgetting thing should go without saying, considering where you are right now.

IMO, success is a product of endearing yourself to people rather than doing the exact opposite, because every person embittered towards you is a lost opportunity. And considering small corpos could use every opportunity they can get, pissing any away might not be such a great idea.

tldr No matter what happens, I consider the brand persona non grata when it comes to watching or engaging with any of their content.

We can't really predict youtube. I think there's potential there with the talents, particularly Tenma (and we'll see what happens with Gen 2). The management is much more competent than the alternatives and the relationships they have to Prism could be very beneficial to them.

>>27856422
Get a load of this schizo.

>>27856422
don't spam nigger on youtube retard

>>27856616
>>27856675
Oh, am I really that forgettable? Oh well. Good luck and have fun.

>>27856077
I just will never like Pippa and Lumi and i wish Yuri would find her own identity outside Lumi personal yuribait but i missed their gen2 debuts and i should check them out to see if they are trash just like Pippa and Lumi or Tsunderia tier girls (tsunderia might be cursed company and absolute abhorent at being competetent but anything they debut or pass by them is top notch quality and should be the standard of western small agency vtubers)

>>27856422
>for all those bans
Phase jannies are pretty lenient in my experience, so you must have went full sperg or aggressively tried to start discussions over retarded American politics over and over again.
Probably both, judging from your self-important "they banned me which is why they'll fail" post. Holy shit.

>mari's viewers spiked to 1000+ because she said the nigger word
if we apply what we know
to succeed as a company we simply make them all say nigger

With Pippa, they can

>>27857352
Mari x Pippa mabinogi collab when. They both play that shit game apparently.

>>27856077
It would be nice if the big 2 had a legitimate western competitor (Vshojo is still essentially a clique with a couple of arbitration contracts) if only to get them off their ass. Probably not, though.

>>27856077
They are growing so maybe. HoloEN is bleeding viewers and not everyone likes NijiEN with constant male collabs and faggot pandering.

>they
The only one worth a damn is pippa.

>>27857677
>HoloEN is bleeding viewers
Source?

>>27857352
The nigger word is a powerful boon, it seems.

>>27857329
2 problems. First, I take issue with any of the various subjects of this board's discussion even having personal moderators in the first place. Second, I never said they'd fail, just that I won't ever watch them because burnt bridges don't rebuild themselves. That's all.

>>27857677
Can confirm through personal anecdote. I don't watch Holo EN anymore because I'm uninterested, and Niji EN's male collabs made me completely uninterested in experiencing simulated NTR. Couple that with the novelty wearing off and how unfulfilling watching someone else have fun is, there wasn't much keeping me engaged.

>>27856077
The individual girls, yes.
The company as a whole, fuck no. Absolutely not.

>>27856077
Only if they appeal more to 4chan.

>>27857132
you are fucking delusional af. most of tsunderia talents are 2view nobodies.

>>27856077
PC will not dethrone the big two corpos but I think they have the potential to rise out of the small corpo sphere and become moderately big.
PC CEO seems to be the least retarded out of all the other small corpos and has a good sense for talent.

>>27858796
Low exposure isn't equal to shit.
Phase Connect is built on a giant pile of shit no matter how you spin it around

>>27858940
Your Pippa/Lumi bias is coloring your judgement.
Phase has a ton of potential.

>>27857352
Migo invented this

Maybe bigger than something like VShoujo one day probably won't pass Holo or Niji though

>>27856077
No, Pippa got them blacklisted from every respectable VTuber company. They're isolated, they can't collab, can't interact with VTubers from other companies, etc.

>>27856077
As long as they dont start appealing to twitter trannies I hope they do well

>>27859317
Defend this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeX7NcR8efM

>>27858940
maybe you are a pile of shit. ever considered that?

>>27859317
>>27859708
The Pippa Defense Force comming to the rescue.
No one likes you or Pippa, even people watching other Phase girls rather have nothing to do with Pippa and especially her fans

>>27856077
Niji female now all flop , they can pass them in future .... soon

Getting to a more consistent 1k viewers range? Yeah it can happen, but it takes time. We will see in a few years.

>>27859626
Explain what problem you have with that clip

>>27859786
>>27859786
>even people watching other Phase girls rather have nothing to do with Pippa and especially her fans
Your 4 months out of date with that anon, the general doesn't shitfling about Pippa anymore.
And it all because of a handful of asshurt schizos constantly samefagging about her.

I don't know anything about them but I want Lumi to look at me like this while sitting on my cock

They have the potential to stabilize as the 4th biggest/most successful corpo. But to be 2nd or 3rd? Probably not.

I hope so, I like Michiru and I want her to be very happy.

I think some of their talents can match NijiEN girls in CCV/superchats. Pippa and Tenma have the best chance prolly. Pippa will cap out at 2-3k CCV while Tenma I can see at 5-8k. Maybe another one or two from gen2 have that potential, too. The rest will vary from 200-1500

>>27860177
she hates men, even if she has a boyfriend

>>27857366
fuck off Pippa

>>27864890
>she hates men,
Even better

>>27856077
Maybe, but as long as P**** is there i hope not

>>27859577
That's what makes them good.

>>27859626
There's literally nothing to defend. You schizo.

>>27865683
tranny spotted

>>27870102
bro there's literally nothinh more fun than getting a blowjob from a lesbian whore who seethe against the existence of men in general.

Patriarchy rules.

It is weird they have 2 people that can't really speak English. I wonder if they regret making the company split between English and Japanese when gen 2 is all English.

>>27856422
>>27857329
Just go in NotPippa's discord if you really want to get political, they have a role that lets you into those channels.

That server is alright but DO NOT bring up or imply the yabbit or the company. Mods instantly pop up to stop the talk.

>>27856077
I mean, look at their Gen2. They're willing to risk a lot of shit with this model. This is beyond UOHHHHHH.

Fishman keeps the company running well and aren't too heavy handed with the talent, seems to work well.

>>27856077
Ya have to give me their best singer first

>>27859577
>Pippa got them blacklisted from every respectable VTuber company
>They collab with Tsunderia, Prism, and Kawaii
So what vtuber companies are "respectable" then? If only Holo and Niji meet your standards then all small corpos are fucked, because they aren't collaborating with them either.

>>27859577
What exactly did Pippa do? As someone who only started watching PC months ago.

Did she crap on the TTS tranny and vshitshow or something? Did she criticise holo or niji?

>>27873070
Tsunderia is literally falling apart and had to piggy back off PhaseConnect to get a booth at AX.

Eventually they will crumble completely and fishman will pick the sad girls he wants out of the rubble.

>>27861951
You're completely delusional. If Tenma couldn't even get a small breakout after getting a cameo with DisguisedToast/OfflineTV and that clip going semi-viral, it's unlikely she's ever going to be a big ccv streamer.

>>27870102
Holy low test, wouldn't you want a man-hating whore to look at you with that smug face

>>27860451
Based

>>27864890
You literally have it backwards what are you on about? Have you even watched a single Lumi stream

>>27873142
Everything you said, but KFP only seethe about year old joke.

I just discovered them and Lumi is pretty fun to watch and listen to. I don't like Pippa much at all though. Anon mentioned she got them blacklisted somewhere and I'm not surprised.

>>27861951
>Tenma I can see at 5-8k
I love her content and think she's a fantastic streamer, but it is undeniable that Tenma's heavy accent is going to filter a lot of potential viewers. Many people are just going to turn her off as soon as they hear her speak and not even give her a chance. Maybe if she played into a fox lolibaba role/niche she could make it work since she does have a sort of rough maturity to her voice. That's not really how she does things though, and I don't think I would want her to change herself like that.

>>27874098
Even if people may not give her a chance right away, I'd say she's got pretty good lasting power for consistent growth. And the bigger she gets, the more people are likely to give her a shot.

>>27873070
>respectable VTuber company
What a string of words

>>27873142
>What exactly did Pippa do?
Anon soon you will understand that Pippa has some of the most unmedicated schizo rrat posters on /vt/

>>27874098
I wonder how many Tenma viewers also watched Beatani. Since the voice thing is pretty similar.

>>27856077
>literally carried by 4chan

>>27877506
how?

>>27856077
No.

If they can establish themselves as a place for mid-tier female vtubers to thrive, then maybe. There's more than a few female indies that are turned off by the heavy male focus of NijiEN, and who don't want to deal with the clique-ish nature of Vshojo.

>>27859577
>Pippa got them blacklisted from every respectable VTuber company
Based. Fuck the respectable companies. We need a little bit of anarchy.

>>27857744
Source is they made it the fuck up

>>27880865
>staff is from 4chan
>mods are from 4chan
>talents are from 4chan
>fans are from 4chan
>content is from 4chan
And Sakana literally just straight up recruited Gen 2 from 4chan. Somehow the Pippa model is working.

>>27860325
They're not even in the top 20 biggest VTuber agencies.

>>27856077
i fucking hope not

>>27875589
>Asuka Cosplay Wrestling
Long story short, someone on maro asked her about HoloFightz and she answered with a dox reference to Kiara. It became a shitstorm and eventually someone reported it to Kiara herself. Pippa had to apologise and to this day considered it her greatest mistake. She even praises Kiara now for having proven herself as a TRVE IDOL. This got PC potentially blacklisted from Hololive.

But they guy you replied to only counts "Hololive" as "respectiable vtuber company". Nijisanji? She seldom talks about it, but considering that Niji is a China pandering company, better to stay away from it. Vshojo? Pippa's fanbase HATES Vshojo (someone even had a meltdown on chat when Kson showed up) but she herself likes Ironmouse, doesn't care about the Kson yab, and praised their presentation on AX.

>>27883301

>>27872871
Either Uruka or Lumi I'd say.

>>27882530
Also fishman literally started /pcg/ and made the first several threads.
He is the original Kevin.

>>27880865
Simple, 4chan said that the would fail, they didn't so now you take credit for it.

>>27856422
>implying you wouldn't get banned from niji or holo stream chat if they actually had enough mods to keep up

>>27882898
Name 20 bigger ones.

>>27856077
They went from 2view to 3view and now occasionally 4view, so possibly.

>>27856077
As long as Pippa continues to pander to 4chan they will never make it big as even Vshojo, let alone Holo and Niji.

>>27873750
Learn English and her own fans did that, not KFP obsessedchama

>Saves your company

>>27885091
Oh others (like >>27885212) outshine Pippa and become the new "mainstream" for PC. There's still a chance

>>27885091
people have been saying this shit since the fucking beginning of Phase Connect. They are now bigger than all the other western small corpos. Getting close to some lower end NijiEns.

>>27884916
By subscribers

Hololive: 66,642,400
Nijisanji: 42,334,900
Brave Group: 6,200,160
VShojo: 5,609,600
OWOZU: 3,043,418
774: 2,771,580
Kamitsubaki: 2,061,100
MAHA5: 1,891,184
NoriPro: 1,647,900
Neo-Porte: 1,624,700
.LIVE: 1,505,300
WAKTAVERSE: 1,419,000
Eilene Family: 1,315,740
Re:AcT: 1,224,560
VIC: 1,101,100
WACTOR: 1,067,650
VOMS: 878,600
Masquerade: 832,550
REALITY: 544,040
ProPro: 506,200

And then it's quite a bit more until we get to Phase-Connect

PRISM: 436,310
Sleep Monster: 435,500
Emoechi: 414,884
NHOT BOT: 374,903
unicreate: 358,300
Hoshimeguri Gakuen: 354,618
Shinsougumi: 332,640
CloudHorizon: 329,000
production kawaii: 300,800
PinkPunkPro: 275,790
Balus: 274,400
NIJIGEN Vtuber Project: 260,620
HIGHWAY STAR: 241,600
Phase-Connect: 227,430

>>27885382
Now do average and peak CCV.

>>27885382
Anon btfo'd....

>>27857352
It was just a temporary bump tho.
>>27859998
>>27866155
>>27859626 didn't come back, guess it was just advertising a clip channel, lul.
>>27860325
Tell me you're an EOP without saying you're an EOP.
>>27871858
They tried something, it didn't work out. Eventually Michiru will become a successful indie and Nasa will give up. PC is for all intents and purposes just an EN company now.
>>27874471
Plausible, it took forever for Shoto to get really big after all.

>>27885382
Just do the big EN facing/speaking ones. Jp ones are not really relevant.

>>27885445
Phase Connect punches above its sub weight in CCV, anon also ignored twitch which half of PC use a lot.

>>27885492
JP are the most relevant ones since this is a Japanese industry and most of the market is in Japan.

>>27885492
who let all these fucking EOPs in here?

>>27885382
>By subscribers
Who gives a fuck about subscribers when none of them actually watch your stuff?
Kawaii's biggest talent Nene has 132k subs and gets 180ccv on average. This wouldn't even put her into the top 3 of Phase. Same for Shiki with her 126k subs and 140ccv average from Prism.
Pippa has less than 40k subs but her average is over 500ccv. People actually watch Phase.

>>27872161
shilling the cunny with a boyfriend you cant make this shit up some people really are cucks.

>>27885382
so they're literally nobody but shill their company relentlessly on here

>>27885382
Nice comparison. Now, sort it by CCV and SC.

>>27885672
Phase gets higher CCV than a lot of the other small EN corpos.

>>27885465
>Eventually Michiru will become a successful indie
No, Michiru will learn English and everybody will finally understand how cute she is.

I'm positive all the PhaseConnect posts recently have been astroturfed to align with the debut. It's working since I even tuned in
As to the question, it really depends. They're hot right now on /vt/, but they're still only occasionally breaking 1k viewers. Still better than 99% of streamers, so in that way they're big. However, even Reimu has a consistent above 1k ccv. PhaseConnect would need multiple girls at Reimu's level to even consider being a competitor, imo

>>27885762
lia was struggling to get 100 viewers last time i checked her stream a week or so ago, I'll give you pippa though she punches above her weight by posing as an Alt lite vtuber

>>27885780
they can't complete with niji right now. that is a no brainer. but for the amount of time phase has been around for and capital that phase has when compared to niji, they are doing very well.

>>27885780
Funny you mention Reimu. Pippa made as much SC money as Nina and Lia as much as Rosemi during last month.

>>27885638
>Nene... gets 180ccv on average.
lol wut, she's got to be higher than that, I see higher than that every time I pop in. You're mostly right tho.

>>27885917
nene does much higher on asmr or coomerbait streams. but really low ones on normal gaming or other content. on average she's around there, maybe slightly higher like 220 or something.

>>27885664
Every time you watch a stream, you are simultaneously being cucked by *at minimum* the N-1 other people in the audience.

>>27885638
people watch Pippa, now go look at the JP branches CCV or did it get disbanded?

>>27885763
I like your optimism. Michiru cute. Michiru love.

>>27885917
I'm going based off of this: https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCu1INzefw3R7M9-3QEHYmMQ

>>27885884
Lia is by far the smallest one of the EN girls.

>>27885888
Yeah it's very cool what they've done in such short time. Pippa seems to be a standout for them -- wonder if she's going to be the breakout success the company needs. Or maybe that new debut everyone's been cooming over

>>27885974
All can reach 100ccv, even Nasa. Michiru can get 200 viewers on a good day.

>>27885974
The JPs are smaller than the ENs, yeah. But Iori is still usually around what the biggest Prism talent pulls.

>>27885960
what the fuck is this brand of copium my god man

>>27886013
>it only looks at the most recent 15 streams
Could explain it, maybe she's in a slump.
>lia smallest
Looks like Playboard doesn't even have ccv etc. for Iori for some reason.

>>27886189
It's called grass. You should touch some.

>>27886352
Iori streams on twitch.

If they can keep the momentum going, they'll be very strong in a year's time.

They won't pass HoloEN but they can definitely beat Vshoujo and NijiEN in a few years.

>>27858915
This. Sakana is reading from Riku and Yagoo playbook and learning what works and what doesn't. Out of all the small corpos I think he's the greataest potential to make their company grow.

>>27886457
Oh, all the full-length vods are migrated then. That explains why she isn't in my recs either. Well don't I look smart.

>>27887040
They almost certainly won't. This gen is way too homogenous

>>27858915
Year 3 is typically the period in which a corpo enters into its bloom period. Year 1 and 2 are for building the foundation.

>>27887309
all their ch have low/very low comment per viewer, shits just bots

>>27887216
Phase is literally flavour of the month corpo. Happened to literally every other smallcorpo. If Pippa leaves they're dead.

>>27887554
> Riku playbook
> Bots
Sounds about right.

>>27887580
Which is why she should, she'd grow far more now without them and take her audience with her

>>27887580
Are you scared?

>>27888038
retard

>>27856077
They already made me big.

I just checked out the new girls, I'm surprised to see them drop 6 at once. Also the cunny model could've had a better voice.

MOMMY TIGER
> MOMMY TIGER
MOMMY TIGER
> MOMMY TIGER
MOMMY TIGER
> MOMMY TIGER

>>27887580
The weird thing is that Pippa's got a completely separate audience. Almost no overlap. If Pippa leaves, they still in the low hundreds like the other moderately successful EN corpos.

Has anyone actually been keeping track of their numbers?
I know pippa can average anywhere between 500 and 800 and I've seen Tenma hit the 600 too.

No. This new gen is nothing but coomer bait. The dream is dead.

>accent
SEA Connect...

She should put an asterisk next to English too with those spelling skills.

>>27887580
They've been flavor of the month for a whole year you monkey.

>>27891491
The Phase Antis are going to grow in number now.

>>27888362
the fish has mentioned before that if there's some he likes he'll hire them. that's why first gen had seven members

>>27889794
Definitely the best of the bunch, but she will have to win with her personality, cause her singing is rough (might be a matter of poor song selection).

>>27856077
no with no 3d

also they need to poach more vtubers kana and miori are there for the taking

>>27891145
pretty much what you said, pippa broke 1000 few times but its not consistent due to all the scheduling crap and the fact she cant do schizo rants which is why she got a lot of traffic from people like vee, metokur and others

>>27897146
>to all the scheduling crap
But Pippa has the most consistent schedule in all of Phase? Tuesday-Saturday at the exact same time.

>>27856077
They are growing for sure who knows where they will be in a year.

>>27897025
>kana

>>27885465
>Tell me you're an EOP without saying you're an EOP.
Lol please tell me how they're going to surpass NijiEN/Vshojo. Even the fastest up and coming Indies took months to get an increase in their CCV and usually it's just in the hundreds.

>>27897025
>poach more vtubers kana and miori
Kana is a timebomb waiting to go off. Terrible idea there. Miori though... Poach her and maybe you get Bae to collab with her and that brings a lot of attention to the entire company. Assuming Cover allows the collab anyway.

>>27904583
Miori already said corpos tried to poach after the day she went Indie. She has said she's not going corpo again and even said she'll go on a 2-4 year break for school iirc. Don't know if her stance has changed since I haven't watched her in a month.

>>27905126
I wonder how Vtubing will have changed in 4 years...

>>27905126
Kson said the same then we found out she joined Vshojo. Don't trust any promise of "indie pride" again.

>>27886400
lmfao go back to nigger take your twitch whore with you.

>>27904583
>Kana is a timebomb waiting to go off.
just like pipa pipkin lol

>>27856077
I would love to, Tenma is amazing.

>>27856077
Maybe in the west where used goods are praised. I ain't gonna watch them though

>>27856077
literally every single chuuba in PC is an edgy, menhera, dramafag /here/tuber. They're all awful people and it's easy for non-autists to feel their bitchiness, that's why most of their fans are from here or kiwifarms.

>>27919582
This place is as big as /b/ and single general can get as much posts in a day as hololive subreddit. Most of everybody's fans is from here.

>>27920433
wrong

>>27920549
lol, no.

>>27913364
pippa says dumb shit sometimes but kana was sabotaging herself with actual crazy stuff like thinking she was getting ghosted by nacho because nacho was busy