/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>27775931
Well, Kson only want tech support from Vshoujo.

>>27775931
>corporate
Be careful, using that word and vshojo in the same sentence causes vshocucks to freak the fuck out.

>>27775931
Not a corporation, retard. VShojo's more of a support network than anything.

>>27775931
>Hey, I want to earn more money
Why'd you shut your Mildom channel down for no reason then?

>>27775931
I gave up on her months ago because frankly she isn't interesting anymore. If thinks she is doing nothing other than milking her shrinking fanbase with more low quality merch and shitty sponsored content then I made the right decision.

>>27775931
Honestly? Yes. Sadly she is a woman. If women were more straight-up honest about things rather than trying to cover them up with flowery bullshit or beating around the bush, most men would have no problem with them. That said I do kind of enjoy this kind of retardation at times. But here it's just self-destructive, causing one of her best friends to leave her in what seems to be shaky terms.

>>27775931
>Those who give up on her... Will you give her a chance if she said it like this?
Why do you post about kson all day, every day, you esl fuck?

>>27775931
No. If she didn't want to be indie she should have made her own branded group and funded it with the decent money she made.

Joining vshitshow and aligning with the NDA breaking needy streamer has destroyed a lot of interest of her.

Remember she said she'd never go corpo again? She lied and joined another shitty run company because clearly cover wasn't bad enough for her.

>>27777694
She has essentially forced out her room mate PJK and chose veibae instead

>>27777770
Forced her room mate to move after keeping her involvement with a rival company secret for months. She hid the conflict of interest from Kanata and was probably leaking information to Vshojo the entire time. Anytime kson asked her how her day has been or saw that she was leaving to go record something. She had a financial incentive to inform Vshojo of everything.

>>27775931
She always been all about money, everyone who isnt a newfag knows this.

>>27778090
Where is her mildom account then

>>27776541
Man that corpo cope is brutal

>>27776708
>>27778223
Isn't that a chink based platform? They probably figured who she is and then canceled her.

>>27778012
>talent don't leak anything about her contract with company to her real roommate
>like she should do and otherwise would probably break NDA
>this makes her a traitorous information leaker instead
Your login makes no sense.

>>27779195
logic*

>>27779195
>the NDA forced me to betray my friend
Tatsunokos were the real zhangs all along.

>>27779303
>betray
You must provide evidence of what info she leaked, otherwise she keeping her new company secrets IS testimony to her good behavior. If she told shit to Kanata before the announcement, like Mikeneko did with her VShojo twitter account already having her old Live2D crew added, then you would be right in thinking she's a info leaker.

>>27779613
Your reading comprehension is very low.

>>27779195
I realize you are ESL and I won't hold that against you so let me explain. If you can't tell your friend about your new job... Then find another excuse to have her to move instead of putting her in that shitty situation for months because you are a selfish bitch who sold out the moment Vshojo got investments. It doesn't matter if you think kson was telling Vshojo anything and everything she learned from Kanata. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. What matters is that Cover can't confirm it either way so it looks REALLY FUCKING BAD and has to be treated as if it WAS a security leak regardless. They certainly can't just ask kson and Vshojo and expect an honest response about it. Anything Kanata knew about has to be considered possible leaked intel. There are a few things kson would *definitely* know about like when Kanata goes to do a recording. Plans and schedules have to be changed for everything that wasn't already public knowledge.

How do you think this makes Kanata feel now? Do you even care that she had to call an emergency meeting with management because her "friend" put her in such a bad spot that it could cost her her dream. I guarantee you that meeting lasted so long because they had to go over every single possible piece of information kson could have sold to Vshojo. The poor girl is going deaf and all she wants to do is be an idol while she still can, but your slut put that risk because she needed more money. Yes this makes kson a bad person, and if you can't wrap your head around that fact then you probably are too.

If all she wanted was a "corporation that isn't a corporation and is really just a support group for vtuber indies" or whatever bullshit Vshojo is pretending to be, she could have made it herself with the millions she has in the bank. Then she wouldn't have any NDAs to worry about. Nor a bunch of backstabbing whore coworkers. She made her choice and it wasn't to keep her supposed friend's best interest at heart. Hopefully Kanata can find some real friends instead of staying in an abusive relationship.

>>27775931
No, the problem isn't how she phrased it. The problem is that she went an entire fucking year going "I'LL NEVER JOIN A COMPANY. FUCK COMPANIES. BEING INDIE IS SO GREAT." After telling her holo colleagues "there's something I must do."
Then it turns out that something was fucking shilling a company for money during a sellout stream where she basically fellated Vshojo's management and lied to herself about them not being a "company" because she's a woman.
She outed herself as a massive hypocrite and sellout and that stream left a bad taste in my mouth.

>>27776708
>Why'd you shut your Mildom channel down for no reason then?
Because Mildom is closing its services already. So all of the streamers there have to tell their subscribers to manually unsub. If you only did your research before posting dumb shit like this, you wouldn't get shit on so hard right now.

>>27780247
You are immediately invalidated because you think that Kanata would want Kson to abandon Mikeneko on the streets until she offed herself.

>>27780976
Point to the part in my post where I said that. I even gave alternatives to allow her to still do what she wanted while not creating serious problems for Kanata: Either make her own company or just make an excuse to have her move out months ago while she was in talks to join a rival company. On the topic of Mikeneko though, I hope she's getting real help because... yeah she genuinely needs it. Even with kson attempting to save her I'm not sure it will be enough. As funny as it is to joke around about sometimes, in truth I hope the culture shock from the rest of Vshojo doesn't make her situation worse. She needs to be surrounded by loving people who can support her until she can find some semblance of normalcy and I'm not sure that's the best place for it unless kson keeps her segregated. Americans don't tend to treat mental illness as a serious thing.

>>27778012
>after keeping her involvement with a rival company secret for months.
You can't seriously think that Kanata didn't know. I guarantee you Kanata knew aboit the vshojo deal long before Kson actually signed anything. Roommates talk.

>>27780247
>Plans and schedules have to be changed for everything that wasn't already public knowledge.
Why should the plan change just because a rival company knows about it? Are you retarded?

>>27783012
You know what happens when one company knows when another company is going to do something? They plan around it. They rush their own shit out first to steal your thunder, or in the case of events, they might even intentionally overlap in order to cut your viewers if they have the more dedicated audience. Imagine having a debut date set for a new gen and a rival company decides to hold a massive concert at the same time so your new debuts get shit for views. These are just basic examples and not specific to Vshojo but it should at least get my point across. Corporate espionage is a huge fucking deal.

>>27776541
https://www.cabusinessdb.com/company/4778373/
Faggot.

>>27782340
Either Cover is a black company or Kanata didn't know, which would be ridiculous, but the Holoshills have to believe that or else they must acknowledge that their brand did something wrong.

>>27775931
I'll agree that it sounds better than whatever the fuck she was saying in her Q&A stream ("creative freedom", "Avengers of vtubing" etc).
But Vshojo is still a stinky company regardless of someone's reasons to join it.

>>27775931
Im a fat idiot and with no backing even I could sell t-shirts or other shitty merch

>>27783452
Forming a legal corporation is easy, even I have one. That doesn't make it comparable to one like Hololive.
If a vtuber made a corporation for their brand and were the only person in it, would you still say they're a corpo?

>>27783530
Neither of these are true. I'm betting it was something far more simple. Cover found out and explained why it could be a risk to both companies and then went over guidelines on what she could do. I'm betting that Kanata herself decided that moving would be the easiest way to mitigate future risk and now here we are.

>>27777770
I'm waiting for Vshojo x Blacked collab event.

>>27783787
What the fuck is this cope? Of course you can't compare them to a giant like Hololive, no one is trying to do that.
People are saying Vshojo is not a corporation when they are literally registered as a corporation. Are you seriously asking if I would call a corpo a corpo? Gotta be the dumbest shit I've read all day.

>>27783857
>Sorry Kanata, but it sure is risky all of a sudden for you to live with someone who isn't in Hololive. You might want to mitigate that if you want to keep getting invited to major events. Your fans would be really bummed out if you weren't in the main channel much anymore...

>>27783899
Do you think when people say All Lives Matter they're talking about bacteria as well? Bacteria are life, so it must be, right?
I don't even watch or care about vshojo, but people saying vshojo doesn't act or function like a corpo in any shape or form that is relevant to any discussion that happens in this board, but a piece of paper says they are so they clearly are, is the most autistic and retarded shit I keep hearing.

>>27782340
So you mean that kson broke her own NDA to tell Kanata. Which forces Kanata to keep it a secret in order to protect her friend's career. Despite this being incredibly damaging to her own if Cover finds out that she's known about a massive security risk and didn't inform them. This actually not the saving grace narrative you might think it is because kson still forced this issue on her friend.

>>27776303
>>27776541
like clockwork lmao

>>27784071
You can be my roommate only if you stay still doing nothing in your room, the moment you do something you are a count who is forcing me to move out because company i work for wouldn't like the idea of me living with nemesis, oh and don't forget, it's your fault should've stayed irrelevant.

>>27784062
>but a piece of paper says they are so they clearly are
I cannot believe that a legally defined corporation is actually not a corporation. That's fucking insane!
>Do you think when people say All Lives Matter they're talking about bacteria as well? Bacteria are life, so it must be, right?
So Vshojo is the equivalent of bacteria in the world of vtubing? Is that why they aren't considered a corporation when they literally are? I don't watch or care about them either, but we can both agree that they're big and are only going to get bigger from here on out, right? Oh, but because they do things a little differently compared to other vtuber corporations, that must mean they aren't one at all. Silly me!

>>27784071
Fucking Snuffy knew that Kson was going to join. You're out of your mind if you think Kanata didn't.

>>27784213
You've clearly never been under NDA before. There is a reason that neither Kson nor Kanata are upset about this.

>>27784336
>I cannot believe that a legally defined corporation is actually not a corporation. That's fucking insane!
Do you put tomatoes in your fruit salads? Tomatoes are fruits and everyone obviously refers to them as such because no one ever considers context when classifying things, that would be fucking insane!
>Oh, but because they do things a little differently compared to other vtuber corporations
>little
But yes, they don't have the qualities of a corporation in the context that is used when discussing them in this board, so they shouldn't be considered a corporation. Silly you indeed.
>So Vshojo is the equivalent of bacteria in the world of vtubing?
Nevermind what I said, you're clearly too stupid to understand analogies, and you'll probably think I'm saying vshojo are equivalent to tomatoes now.

>>27784616
Kson is mad, and Kanata is pretending not to be.

>>27784660
Yep, we're just ignoring the fact that they literally are a corporation. The voices inside your head tell you to post this bullshit?
>context
They are legally a corporation. What fucking context is needed? I've seen retarded arguments against this, but yours beats them all by a mile. It's like you can't even read!
Your analogy was fucking retarded in the first place, comparing corporations to "x lives matter" garbage. It doesn't matter anymore, you're obviously too fucked in the head to understand that VSHOJO INC. is a corporation.

>>27784469
Everyone and their family knew Kson was gonna join. What was unexpected was Mike also joining in, which is why Cover had the emergency meetings.

>>27784660
So they don't have a marketing team? What about a legal t...nevermind. How about assistants to help make schedules? Do they have people for concerts and events? Tell me more because I'm interested to know what sets them apart from corporations aside from only hiring well-known indies that already paid for their own model and not claiming ownership of something they didn't pay for. No, collab freedom isn't one of them because smaller corps have no issues with that. Game permissions is a localized thing that will probably go out the window the bigger Vshojo gets and especially when Japanese publishers notice they can just sue the Japanese talents.

>>27784838
>Yep, we're just ignoring the fact that they literally are a corporation.
>They are legally a corporation.
>you're obviously too fucked in the head to understand that VSHOJO INC. is a corporation.
I understand that legally vshojo is a corporation.
Do you understand that this is a board for discussing vtubers, and not one for discussing legal entities?

>>27775931
Is that from Code Vein 's character customization? Neat.

>>27784815
>Kson is mad
Proof?

>>27785001
>announcement
>super happy and excited
>Cover meeting
>Kanata says she's leaving
>menhera explosion
>edit and retracted statement
>no streams

>>27784660
>food analogy

>>27785001
Member post right after that emergency meeting, pay up or google it.

>>27784936
Not that guy, but isn't vshoujo's main purpose supposed to be a legal pool, prompted by that guy trying to sue Melody over her model? I would assume they are trying to extend that model into JP, no? I don't know the JP legal system at all, but I'd think it would at least be easier to sue the company than the individuals in that company.

>>27785055
https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1545691056976838656

>>27785087
That's one of the main points Kson is interested in, she can commission things through Vshojo rather than doxxing herself to everyone she wants to buy stuff from.

>>27785086
>can't post proof
I rest my case.

>>27784062
All vchuubas matter, except the bacteria (most likely syphilis or gonorrhea) that is vShojo.

>>27784964
>I understand that legally vshojo is a corporation.
That's all I've been trying to say from the start. Like I said, I don't give a fuck about Vshojo and what they do differently from the other corpos, but saying they aren't a corporation is just incorrect.
>Do you understand that this is a board for discussing vtubers, and not one for discussing legal entities?
Anon, I don't want to hear that when there are multiple threads up talking about the corpos rather than the actual vtubers themselves.

>>27785145
>I don't know how to search on twitter so it isn't real and Cover isn't a black company

>>27784936
>Tell me more because I'm interested to know what sets them apart from corporations
Mainly the content they're allowed to produce. You know, the thing that is most relevant here.

>>27785183
>but saying they aren't a corporation is just incorrect.
The same way that saying tomatoes are vegetables is incorrect, i.e., not incorrect at all in the context of food.
>are multiple threads up talking about the corpos rather than the actual vtubers themselves.
Are those threads discussing what type of legal entity they are, how they file their taxes, or anything where the legal distinction between being a corporation or not would have any bearing?

>>27785215
There's nothing there.

>>27785363
Man that's a lot of words to say absolute nothing

>>27785363
You mean discussing the things that make a corporation a corporation? No, because most people understand this and don't need to go into such autistic detail about such a basic concept. I don't know why you do.

>>27785535
He does it because he runs defense of whatever Kson told him they were.

>>27783254
Okay but here's the thing... this isn't stock market exchange, this are just retards playing games on camera, singing shit songs and shit. This whole Vshojo could steal corporate secrets from Hololive is baffling to me. What secrets can you exactly steal from a streamer? Even more when one streams more now on Twitch and the other on YouTube and how exactly can something like stream overlap can't be solved by simply opening another tab?
>Hey what's your plans for tomorrow?
>I'm gonna play this flash game today, and tomorrow sing karaoke
>She's gonna sing karaoke tomorrow! quick, I'm gonna sell that information so that we can schedule a making a gundam at the same time so that all the viewers interested in watching this chick sing can come to me and watch me build a robot! Millions in the bank I tell ya!
Like... elabore this whole thing to me. Let's say, we're living together and I'm Kanata and you are K-son. How exactly are you gonna take down Hololive now that you joined another company? What secrets can you obtain from me now?

>>27785535
You're the autistic one that fixates in the technical definition of words instead of their context. If you don't like the fact that communication is based on context go learn one of those autistic constructed languages.

>>27785564
I don't even care about her, and haven't seen what she has or hasn't said about joining vhojo.

>>27785587
You literally can't get any meaningful secrets. The NDA thing is bullshit. Cover execs just want to hurt Coco because she is part of a rival group now and are using her friendship with Kanata as a weapon.

>>27785587
>hey tenshi I put your laundry in your room
>chance upon contract for something
>inform your own company to offer better terms
you must not work

>>27775931

>>27785738
Ah yes, of course. I'm autistic for understanding what a corporation is and understanding that Vshojo fits within that definition.
Your arguments are getting a little too retarded for me anon. Whatever "context" you have does not change the fact that they're a corporation. You can say whatever you want about them producing different content blah blah blah, it doesn't change a thing. Do they have a different philosophy from other copros and hold their talents to a different standard? Absolutely. Does that mean they aren't a corpo? Absolutely not.

>>27785835
>You literally can't get any meaningful secrets.
rumao

>>27786180
>I'm autistic for understanding what a corporation is and understanding that Vshojo fits within that definition.
You're autistic for not understanding what a corporation is beyond the technical legal definition, or rather, for not understanding that things mean different things in different contexts.
>Does that mean they aren't a corpo?
In a legal context? Absolutely not.
In the context of vtubers? Absolutely.

>>27786320
>it doesn't fit my personal definition, therefore it must not be true
Are you even reading what you're typing before you post?

>>27786508
You're also autistic for not being able to tell that whenever people talk about corpos on this board they're talking about the qualities that emerge from corporations instead of their legal registration, it seems.

>>27786218
>I know when you go to dance lessons, your 100 company is fucking done now

>>27785587
>this isn't stock market exchange
Tell that to Anycolor. They are the first to IPO but likely won't be the last. Vtubing is an industry worth hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars now.

>take down Hololive
Nah nah you are thinking too big. It's not about one piece of killer intel that sinks a company. That almost never happens and certainly wouldn't be in the hands of talent. Espionage is about the small things that give you a competitive advantage.

If Kanata brought any information home, kson had a chance to look through it. Things like possible debut dates or outfit release dates. Song release dates. Concert dates. These things matter because, as mentioned before, a rival corp can preempt you to steal your thunder or intentionally overlap to force viewers to choose. Or simply schedule their own stuff around it if they feel they can't compete and don't want to lose their own hype. That last one might not seem like a huge deal but it really is when you are pushing into a new market and don't have a dedicated fanbase. You do not want your big event to clash with a bigger company's event in either timing or theme unless you announce it first and can call them a "copycat" for it. It's a bit of a stretch but they could even rent out a concert location(or multiple locations) before you finalize the date so you end up fucked by the time you do.

A huge one would be contact information for talents Vshojo might want to poach. Either by looking through her contacts or asking "Hey do you have so-and-so's number? I want to talk to get her advice on something." She probably already has most of them but definitely not anyone that joined after she graduated. There are probably other examples I can't think of offhand without knowing the inner workings of the industry. Keep in mind that if Kanata was really in the dark she wouldn't have any reason not to trust her best friend, who she's been living with for years, if she was asked about any of this. Let me be clear though. I'm not saying any of this happened. I'm saying that it cannot be objectively ruled out so it has to be treated as a possibility by Cover for risk management. It sounds paranoid because corporations dealing with 8+ figures need to be.

>>27786998
see >>27785883
One of a million possible examples. You are retarded.

>>27786899
The fact that you fail to grasp such a basic concept is baffling to me.
I already told you that I know people don't go into such detail about what corporations are on this board because they already understand it and don't need it explained to them unlike you.
I have no more to say to you, this is just going to loop forever because you just can't seem to understand a basic word without clinging to your imaginary context and trying to change the definition to fit your own personal beliefs.

>>27787338
>context is a made up thing to troll us poor autists
Ok that one made me laugh, thanks.

Kson's mistake was thinking she didn't have to explain what Vshojo was to the EN audience who already knows exactly what it is. She forgot how we delight in being as retarded and annoying as possible.

>>27784062
lmao,T te absolute state of Vshocuck, this level of mental gymnastic. if Olympic had a competition for one, you'll be the world champion

>EOPs still seething over a translation
Corpo means IP is owned by a company in Japanese, it's implicitly implied. She literally translated "Are you now owned by a company?" to "個人勢から企業勢に転身したの?", which actually means "are you switching from indie to corpo". Technically being partnered with a corporation but also not being owned by them, having no boss, and having total freedom is literally a foreign concept, which is why she explained it the way that she did.

Projektmelody, a Vshojo girl, does "the more money you donate the longer my vibrator activates" streams, as Melody, using a nude anatomically complete Melody model she had made, and she splits the money only between her and Chaturbate. That is fucking alien language to JP viewers. That kind of stream isn't unusual, but you can only do it as an indie, or if you're part of a company you can do it "independently" using a different online persona and never mentioning who helped you set up your home 3D set. Or you might be able to do it as part of a small pornographic company, splitting money with them, but such a company could never help get you booths at anime conventions etc. So what's Vshojo, to a JP viewer? Maybe it's not really a company at all.

Maybe Cover want Coco suffering by seperate their friendship and an hero her by sadness

SEA hours is starting I see, soon this thread will be filled to the brim with schizophrenic patient

Also, esl-chama... >>27789173

>>27775931
Code beans suck, OP

>>27785587
>you must be a Fortune 500 to have corporate secrets
do tatsunocucks really

>>27785055
>menhera explosion
>edit and retracted statement
>no streams

glad she's feeling at home with vshojo

I gave up on her last year because she's just not a good solo streamer, and I don't care about her current collab partners, so no.

>>27791163
Don't care, still gonna play the game, I already paid for it. I'll suck every bit of fun from this game.

>>27788394
>which is why she explained it the way that she did
You're right. But she also went the extra length to make them look better than they are.

>>27793046

>>27793046
>>27793079
this reads like thise crypto schemes for retirees

>>27793752
Is Kson going to promote some crypto investment opportunities soon?

>>27796202
i don't think so, Artia has it covered

>>27796406
Artia is doing what now? Is crypto stuff even exist there?

>>27798142
it's even worse

>>27793046
>>27793079
Do you smell that smelly smell?

>>27775931
>also I brought on a cunt who turns on her friends and sells their info to dramatubers
No, as long as she's working with Rushifer she doesn't deserve a chance

>>27799264

>>27793752
It's all Vsho marketing spew, it makes me think she was forced to do this stream

>>27807280
B-but she's independent... Creative freedom...

>>27799264
>19 likes

>>27785363
>The same way that saying tomatoes are vegetables is incorrect, i.e., not incorrect at all in the context of food.
Firstly >food analogy.
Secondly, saying tomatoes are a vegetable is incorrect in any context. Vegetable has a clear definition. Tomato fits that definition. Tomato is therefore a vegetable.
>but it doesn't look/taste/smell like one
It, by definition, does. The taste, smell, look of a tomato is that of a vegetable, your preconceptions don't matter.

Similarly, a corporation has a definitive, legal definition. VShojo fits that definition. VShojo is therefore a corporation
>But they don't look/act/provide the same things corporations do
They, by definition, look, act and provide things that a corporation provides, because they are a corporation. Different corporations provide different things. That makes none of them any more or less of a corporation. Facts don't care about your feelings.

>>27807325
>>27807280
she really should've just say that she knows about her earlier remarks about not joining corpo, she knows that's hypocritical of her to join vshojo, but she was presented opportunity and she took it, then she can shill vshojo as much as she likes, cause no one really would have anything against her,
Just a little more honesty and nothing would have happened.

>>27808130
I'm going to assume you meant fruit half the times you said vegetables.
>your preconceptions don't matter.
It literally does, that's why everyone that isn't autistic and trying to smugly show off that they are very smart because they know tomatoes are technically fruits like every other third grader does, calls tomatoes a vegetable. When talking about eating them tomatoes fit every criteria for a vegetable and none for fruits, so it makes sense to call them a vegetable and not a fruit.
>Similarly, a corporation has a definitive, legal definition.
And similarly you're wrong to think it's the only definition or even the one that's applicable in this situation.

arguing about semantics day X

Kson wouldn't like it if you were questioning what Kson wanted to do with herself. You should stop.

>>27799264
>/vt/ would rather side with this instead of kson
dunno why vshojo causes so much seethe
They are way smaller than Cover, stream on twitch and are sub 10k in viewership

>>27793046
>>27793079
They do love Vtubing culture, aside from Vei. And the only downside is that they offer limited support other than tech and legal stuff, which does not apply to Kson as she has her own personal managers to fill that role. There's no downside for her other than a small minority of her EOPs started seething.

>>27776541
Works everytime kek.

>>27808941
>arguing about semantics day X
What is 4chan for if not arguing about inane shit?

>>27775931
she needs to get the dick and fucking move on. deep down she's a redditor in "4chan" clothing

>>27777694
>No. If she didn't want to be indie she should have made her own branded group and funded it with the decent money she made.
>>27780247
>she could have made it herself with the millions she has in the bank.
The Kson Gang idea last year.

>>27780976
The best help for Mikeneko is to be locked with her simps in a safespace. Which she was doing to herself anyway.

>>27812411
That would be Pippa