/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>27671401
>kson already sweating and knowing she's a big fat liar

>>27671420
She's gone full Hollywood Hogan. In it for the check and willing to be a good puppet for her new bosses

>>27671401
What's wrong with the rigging she's flying half across the screen.
Inb4 that's quality

>smoothbrained antis are still losing their minds over semantics a week later
sugoi

>>27671401
Kek

>>27671401
I think she said it for her Japanese viewers who have their own conception of corporations, believing that their interpretation of "Vshojo isn't a corporation" is closer to the truth than their interpretation of "Vshojo is a corporation with creative freedom". EN viewers already know exactly what Vshojo is so they don't need an explanation.

>>27671926
feels like she's on a hoverboard

>>27671401
Somebody's lying, who could it be?

>>27672595
between this and the spelling thread it's pretty obvious they're trying to give JOPs a false impression of their brand

>>27673025
Kson. Shes misleading her japanese audience on purpose knowing. Its unfortunate that she became like this.

>>27673096
>spelling
they picked the name way before they decided to expand into the japanese market

>>27673108
>>27673025
About what? She said things we already knew

>>27671401
>Kson will never join Vshoujo
>Mikeneko is not Nazuna
>Delta will never join Vshoujo can she even sell Merch
>Ninisanji will never collab with them
>Niji EN will never collab with them
>they will never take the first 3 spots in Superchats
>Canan8181 and Rikka will never join them
>Hololive will never allow collabs with them
>Tia and Yogurt will never join Vshoujo Taiwan what are you stupid
>Hitomi Chris will never debut in Vshoujo
Tick Tock /vt/.

>>27675849
You forgot
>No one from HoloEN will leave Hololive for Vshoujo

>>27676389
It's a work in progress.

>>27676389
everyone is expecting the wigger to join eventually, maybe Kiara. Hard to tell about the rest since they ignore Vshoujo

>>27676472
>>27676576

the amount of copium this two inhales to large that their brain rots and become full retarded

cope and seethe

>>27676755
A.I generated post

>>27676885

Its ESL but has a point

>>27671401
Why is that this pink cat always finds a way to say something that makes it more difficult for everyone in her company/not-company?

>>27676976

>Based

Destroying Vshojo inside out

Reminds me of Rushia blurting sensitive topic w/o telling her manager before hand.

>>27671401
>VShojo was founded in 2020 by former Twitch employee Justin “theGunrun” Ignacio and youtuber Phillip "Mowtendoo" Fortunat, with the vision of creating an organization where the talent have complete freedom.
It's an organization and a network, more than an actual company.

"Talent Freedom!" will never stop being funny, it's such a blunt jab at Hololive

>>27677208
It is what kson says it is, but nobody not even the talent themselves views it that way

>>27677208
wtf they got Chris-chan too? what the fuck do we do now Holobros?

>>27677208
What the fuck, I didn't know Mowtendoo was responsible for this. So that's why he stopped doing silly videos. Fuck Vshoujo.

>>27677208
Vshoujo value the so called " creative freedom" does it means Kson is allowed to strip naked, mocking every known religion and shit on their sponsors??

>>27677557

>>27677557
>strip naked, mocking every known religion and shit on their sponsors??
Sure, but preferably not on Twitch.

>>27677557
so the creative freedom really mean lack of tact
good to know it

>>27676576
>Kiara leaving Pekora
>Calli leaving after her music deal

>>27672595
Maybe she was trying to convey that Vshojo isn't the typical top-down vtuber agency like Hololive and Nijisanji.

>>27677557
That's against twitch tos and probably even chatrubate too.

>>27677208
If its a commercial business, which it is, then it's a company. All this "NOOO they are like the heckin Avengers of vTubing" shit is tiring

>>27677978

>Avengers of vTubing

more like Pornhub Chubbas

Don't tell them your tired, that's what they want.
All of this is just to make people like you,
Seethe.

One thing that the Vwhorejo shills don't understand is that Hololive gives professional opportunities that other companies can't even dream of. Kiara became an ambassador for Tales of Arise, Korone is an official Sonic representative, Calli got a contract with Universal Music, etc. A member of Vwhorejo could at most get a sponsorship from an abortion clinic

>>27677557
Creative freedom for vshojo means watching youtube videos on stream, funnily enough vtubers without all that freedom somehow have more creative content.

>>27679122
VShojo has gotten plenty sponsorships, many of them the same as Hololive.

>>27679122
Being a member of Hololive is clearly more lucrative than Vshojo, I think that's hardly even a question. Even with the higher splits most Holos will be or already are millionaires. But I guess some people value different stuff.
In my opinion, the real test of Vshojo will be if they can elevate a 2view. Hololive can take an under-100 median CCV streamer and turn them into a 5-10k median streamer. vshojo hasn't demonstrated that (that I know of).

>>27679567
And Cover is likely to decrease the percentage they earn on memberships and superchats to retain talent

>>27677557
No one in the world is allowed the creative freedom to mock Jews

>>27679744
If a Holo is successful I certainly hope they negotiate their contracts for renewal. Even mid-tiers have decent leverage but the breakout stars probably should have much better cuts (Pekora, Aqua, Mori, Gura, etc. etc.)

>>27680037

Your assuming holo girls wasn't paid like queen.

Look at Ollie, keep getting fatter and fatter each month.

>>27680109
>you need to be rich in order to be fat
Have you seen poor mutts around?

>>27677756
That is exactly what she was trying to convey. The Japanese assumption of a vtuber corporation is Hololive and Nijisanji. Everything is owned by the company, the streamers have to abide by their rules, etc.

>>27677425
>>27677425
Nyanners showed his business card on stream last night. It's holographic and has Terry Crews and Snoop Dogg on it.

>>27680203

You clearly never watch ollie.


And I mean that's an ID branch.

With low CCV compare to Pekora/Gura.

You probably didn't know that homostars are getting paid more than a salary man despite a very poor CCV.

>>27679567
Froot was a 2view that was elevated and everyone in the group has grown since joining. Zen probably being the most drastic as only occasionally hitting 1k viewers before debut, and is now a 4-5k viewer regular.

>>27677208
Oh my god. There are legal definitions at play here. What they think of themselves or call themselves have zero relevance.

anons memeing about someone fucking with the timelines were right
>>>/pol/>>385642792
schizobros were right

>>27680578
>>>/pol/385642792
Retard

>>27680315
Truly a being of pure cringe

>>27680670

>>27677208
Call it whatever you want, in the end it's still a company

>>27680578
go back

>>27677756
"VShojo is not a company" is a very poor way to make that point

>>27677761
The mocking every known religion part and not the strip naked part

>>27671401
>>27673025
>>27681717
>>27677756
I didn't watch your clip, but anyone who thinks that Vshojo isn't a company is factually wrong.

V-Shojo Inc. is a registered corportation with the United States Patent and Trademark Office
https://uspto.report/company/V-Shojo-Inc

>>27671401
>Kson said that VShojo is not a company
Did she though? Or did she say something kind of similar and /vt/ ran off with it?

files.catbox.moe/6rrc78.mp4

>>27682996
She did, she also said that vshojo love vtubers, vtubing and japanese culture.

>>27671401
>clinging to semantics, day 5

Vshojo is closer to something like an OTV than a Hololive. Since you do sign a contract for a set number of years but you keep all ownership of your own channel and identity. Plus you can have your own individual sponsors.

>lying is OK because it got Rushia to join
the absolute state

>>27683232
I'm still looking for it. I haven't seen a direct declarative sentence of "VShojo is not a company", nor have I found "VShojo is a company."
I have seen instances where she talks about it AS IF it were a company, and then describes it in other ways like "They're a bunch of tech people", etc.
I am of the position that VShojo is by legal definition "a company", but I also think that you can describe them in other ways, without contradicting a statement that legal entity is a company, e.g. saying "They are just a loose agency" is also saying "They are a company [with some additional properties X, Y and Z]."

I am looking for evidence that Kson said this directly. Not because I agree or disagree (it's not debatable: VShojo is legally a company), but I think /vt/ threadreaders paraphrase, twist things around, or outright make things up. These things get repeated so much, they forget that it was a rephrasing or summary in the first place.

>>27686127
this "lie" is inconsequential, a literal nothingburger, yet in your smooth brain apparently it is cardinal sin worthy of execution.
In reality you can't find anything else to shit on Kson so you cling to it like a leech, and that's all to it.

>>27686475
nothingburger just like mfmf and krkr were nothingburgers

>>27686100
>sign a contract
RUSHIA NO!!

>>27686100
>Since you do sign a contract for a set number of years
She said she can leave anytime she wants if it doesn't work out.

>>27686553
then tell me my smooth brain friend, what consequences await Kson for saying vshojo is not a typical company?

>>27673025
the EOPs who blindly quote what her chat translator wrote lmao
kson straight up says it's different from being in a company because she doesn't belong to one but is instead a part of it, like a member of a group

>>27671401
I don't understand where's the gotcha in this?

>>27671732
It's a work to keep the dummies on /vt/ busy

>>27686639
>kson straight up says it's different from being in a company
People also forget that she is an entertainer trying to explain something to her audience, who have a wide span of knowledge or lack of knowledge. She isn't trying to make an airtight legal argument, or state exactly and only what she means as if she were writing a college philosophy essay. She is trying to explain a set of circumstances and her feelings about them.

>>27686615
another lie
What did poor Mike get herself into?

>>27676976
She has Asperger's

>>27680315
It's a lenticular printing, actually

I hear "agency" get thrown around, but agencies are companies, so there's not really an argument there.

Like there are voice artists that are signed with agencies, but they can work for any number of studios and corporations.

>>27687771
She was reading a script that Vsho wrote for her, pls understand

>>27672283
still going

>>27687771
She isn't in a company because... because... she just isn't, ok????

>>27671401
>kson doesn't care if members join or leave vshoujo
wow it's so much better than hololive because nobody cared that rushia left except pekora who wastes money on rent-a-mom and marine who is vshoujolite
lmao

>>27673096
No. They're trying to ensure the JP fans don't get the false impression. JP fans at large don't understand that an LLC that acts as a brand manager and source of medical insurance is not the same thing as fully incorporated talent agency.

>>27688155
>we only lied so people don't get the right idea, I swear
Lying gives people the wrong idea

>>27675849
>not using ">you are here" line
one job

>>27688155
This ignores the fact that Vshojo has consistently told this lie to their English viewers as well. They desperately try to market themselves as "just a group of friends" and people believe them. Kson was literally reading the Vshojo sales pitch, she has no integrity like she did at Holo. She'll do whatever the company tells her

>>27677557
You mean like Melody.

>>27688615
The AX panel hopefully made it clear that Vshojo has a mission which is actually not forming a fun group of friends or a talent agency but a company that utilizes streaming tech in innovative ways and employs vtubers as the spokesmodels and forerunners of that tech. Just look at Ping.gg for evidence of this.

>>27689191
Of course, because now they're trying to sell that lie to JPs instead

>>27671401
She not lying. It's a management agency, like how actors have managers. They help their chuubas get merch going, sponsorship deals, etc and takes a cut of those. They don't touch their dono or sub money. Holo and niji are a vtubing company, they take a percentage of everything but provide everything. It's like comparisons of a TV actors manager and a k-pop singers manager. One is a representing for deals under this person, one is representing the person entirely and taking the bulk of their income because they paid everything to start them up.

>>27679567
Vshoujo members retain more profits than vtubers assigned a model by a company. They're more lucrative in terms of income but they're less so in terms of viewership and fame.

>>27689571
Just like United Artists forces their Actors to put their name in their Twitter Bios and forces their actors to work together on certain films, right?

VShojo pulling their all independent contractors thing like what Uber did as some kind of loophole. Kind of weird how a "not company" can get $11 million out of people and not be considered a company. Not many individual youtubers can pull that off yet they did it under the vShojo brand. Doesn't that make them a company?

>>27689955
See >>27689571. It's not a corpo. Corpos are evil, as preached b Veibae.

>>27678267
>more like Pornhub Chubbas
I have seen actual pornhub chubbas. They are much better than vshojo.

>>27689571
Management Agencies are companies, anon.

>>27689571
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company

They are a company, they are legally a company, to operate as the international business they are, they are by definition a company.
You can't say "we're just a talent agency and nothing more", you're lying then.
They can proclaim themselves as not a CORPORATION because that is a different kind of business entity but to say they're just this enigma that's a group people, is fucking retarded.
t. im an accountant, yes these semantics matter and Kson is misleading her audience

>>27690388
>t. im an accountant, yes these semantics matter and Kson is misleading her audience
I'm still trying to figure out where she said "VShojo is not a company" like /vt/ keeps claiming. Nothing I've watched has had it. I don't think she's misleading anyone, but threadreaders are misleading themselves by incorrectly summarizing things she has said.

t. I own a small business, have accounts and counsel, and acknowledge the importance of "technically correct" legal distinctions.

>>27682996
>>27690837
See >>27683128

>>27690903
retard...

>>27690903
>Are you owned by a company? No.
This is a logically distinct claim from claiming "VShojo is not a company."
It can simultaneously be true that:
- Kson is "not owned by a company"
- VShojo IS a company
- A contract exists between Kson and VShojo, but does not involve "ownership".

>>27681717
it's still perfectly understandable if you're not a mouth breathing retard

>>27690388
A follow-up thought >>27690837 (me):
As you would know, a question this raises is "When and how does this matter?"

So you wrote:
>You can't say "we're just a talent agency and nothing more", you're lying then.
I agree they are a company, but VShojo aren't opening themselves up to any liability by putting out a statement saying "We are an agency!" It would only matter if they said "We are not a company", which to my knowledge they haven't (and would be VERY legally different than if Kson claimed so). Even if VShojo had said "We are not a company", who would have standing, and for what tort, to do act on that?
Setting aside that I haven't seen VShojo claim "We are not a company!", I am trying to decide where that would matter if they did. The only situation I can imagine is this: if they did not file any taxes, and in response to an inquiry by the IRS said "We are not a company!" then they're (b) pretty fucked, (b) dumb, and (c) deserve everything that happens to them. But I can all-but-assume they haven't done that?

>>27691228 (me)
>who would have standing... to do act on that?
Correction: "who would have standing... to act on that?"

>>27691228
>But I can all-but-assume they haven't done that?
Yes. It's only threadreaders and retards that keep saying "VShojo is not a company!" when they should be saying "VShojo is not like a traditional company!". Doesn't help that the IQ of the board is low enough and kson pulls stuff like >>27690995

>>27690995
Yeah, it's just retards spinning it to be something it isn't once again. She's working WITH VShojo but she is not an employee of the company VShojo, and is not "owned" by them. In that sense, Kson is a customer or client of the company VShojo.

I made a thread wanting to see opinions about how VShojo compares to corpos going by Kson's statements, and I honestly didn't expect that /vt/ would latch on to the part where she says VShojo isn't a company
I don't even watch VShojo, but I'm actually interested in what they have planned right now
>>27682996
>Question: Are you now owned by a company?
Answer: No. Souchou is still an individual VTuber.
Kson: All members of VShojo are indies.
Kson: That's the long and short of it.
Kson: So I am NOT now part of a company.
Kson: Members of VShojo include Melody and Nyanners.
Kson: There are quite a few girls.
Kson: All of them are independents.
Kson: They do whatever they want.
Kson: Just clarifying that VShojo is NOT a company.

https://youtu.be/Zl9yK4TUBHw?t=765

>>27691396
>Just clarifying that VShojo is NOT a company
Okaaaaay. Exact timestamp and kanji of this?

>>27691228
>tort
Businesses lie to their customers all the time with crafted half-truths. It's not about suing Vsho, it's about trust. Mowtendoo is a slimy businessman out to make a quick buck like all the others

>>27691396
t. EOP

>>27691396
>latch on to the part where she says VShojo isn't a company
This was already a thing that people were slinging shit about since the weekend.
It's one of /vt/'s favorite pastimes: Arguing semantics of specific sentences with each other for hours.
We enjoy it more than watching streams.

>>27691548
This is a narrative that Vshojo and their shills have consistently tried to push here and everywhere else. This didn't happen in a vacuum, they told Kson to say this because this is a marketing lie they want to push

>>27691475
>Mowtendoo is a slimy businessman out to make a quick buck like all the others
Fair enough. If that's the main claim you want to make, I won't argue.

t. slimy businessman out to make many bucks, both quickly and slowly

>>27691325
Yeah but that would mean we would have less to argue about, and except for the splits/generals, this entire board exists to exacerbate drama and ave nitpicking arguments.

>>27691464
This should be
https://youtu.be/Zl9yK4TUBHw?t=859
>>27691522
Yeah I am
>>27691548
Really? Well, I missed the first threads and there was an entire thread (made by me) with people arguing semantics

>>27691635
>they told Kson to say this because this is a marketing lie they want to push
As long as what most people here is "We're an agency not like a traditional talent company!" it seems like a fantastic idea to me. Branding is super, super important, and majority of consumer brands live entirely on the "Look how unique and different we are!" aesthetic.

>>27691727
>As long as what most people here is
*most people hear is

>>27691727
What most people hear is "There's no structure, we're just a group of artists". I had to explain to a couple of anons a couple months back that Melody doesn't own the company, I've heard it from people all over "they're not a company, they're a group of friends that are working together". Now that they have investors that they are going to be beholden to there is no way they can operate like Kson claimed. If the investors want something, it has to happen. You should know this as an accountant. Seed capital is selling your soul

K-Son really fucked up this time. At first she pissed off just the Chinese and rallied overseas bros to her cause. Now it looks like she pissed off the majority of idol fans.

>>27692001
>If the investors want something, it has to happen.
I am not the accountant who posted. I am the business owner, and your statement is only half true. In all but the most bizarre situations, a company's leadership knows better than investors how to run the business. My company's investors have no fucking idea how to do what we do, and they don't tell how to operate, because they know where their knowledge ends and our expertise begins.
In almost every investment situation, company leadership already told the investors their existing plans, and the investors said "that seems plausible enough to be worth the risk" before investing. It is rare that it is the other way around: investors give money and immediately say "Okay now do X, Y, Z." Most of the time the investors just want the company to succeed at doing whatever the leadership already told them they would do. Now what was the strategy that VShojo told their investors they have? I have no idea, and guessing seems irresponsible.

>Seed capital is selling your soul
Show me an investor who is DIRECTING a seed-stage company's operations in a fine-grained manner, and I will show you a seed-stage company that is going to fail. It is selling your soul when your don't meet your projections, and your CEO does a bad job at managing his board. It comes down to specifics (to the point where I cannot honestly guess what VShojo has). You absolutely can be forced to seek more capital on bad terms, or move the company in a direction that leadership is against. In the worst case, the board can fire the CEO and replace them. That is rare, but definitely within the realm of possibility (if the company is failing).

>there is no way they can operate like Kson claimed
I do not think this is a statement that can be effectively concluded as correct or incorrect. I can make points for and against this.

>>27692501
It all boils down to the /vt/sisters need for drama, tribalfagging and shilling. Everyone is grasping at straws trying to fit what little is known about VShojo's operations and structure to fit their own particular rrats. Only thing that can be conclusively said about this is.
>VShojo is a company
Any other "extrapolation" or "guess" based on what their vtubers said is just schizo behaviour.

>>27692501
I don't disagree on those points. I doubt they're gonna heel turn in the next 6 months or anything, but conflicts are inevitable especially in such an emerging field. It's a tale that's insanely common in tech, which is probably the most comparable field.
Maybe because I'm an accountant instead of an entrepreneur I'm a little more cynical, but saying "as long as the investors stay happy and you meet your projections you're free" is like saying as long as you don't get hurt you don't need insurance
>I don't think you can say that statement is correct or incorrect
I think that's a problem all it's own. This was presented as a QnA kind of format, people are trusting her to be straight up. When you're affirmatively saying something that you can't really say for sure will be true you are deceiving people. Especially when an employee is the person called to do this kind of corporate deception it is concerning. I would have given them way more leeway if they structured it like an interview and Kson had Mowtendoo answer these questions because you expect a big of corpo speech from a CEO. He's putting his employees on the line for his company's actions because you know if they deviate at all from what she said that Kson is the one they'll come for

>>27692501
>>27693863
Would you compare the expectatives in the field of vtubing kinda like the expectatives that were had for blockchain?

>>27693947
Blockchain was an unavowed confidence trick on people who didn't understand computers since the onset. Vtubing is like social media companies

>>27694240
>Vtubing is like social media companies
I'm calling it right now, vtubing will start dying the moment some retard commits a crime while live.

you all are arguing over this, but tell me, what consequences await Kson for being mistaken?
Cause you seem very upset over so inconsequential thing.

>>27694664
Anthonychama...
none, remember that this retarded hellhole is used to feel the "public opinion"

>>27694664
The consequences are that I don't trust her, and no one else should. She went on stream and passed off corporate bullet points as her own honest responses

>>27694775
This. I guess she wants to be both talent and "manager". Remember that it was her original application.

>>27694850
>Remember that it was her original application.
No it wasn't.

This entire thread is the reason why kson prefaced that stream by asking people not to clip but watch the whole thing. Actual retards arguing between each other and trying to go "gotcha!!" over something that's been made very clear (Vshojo is a literal company and she doesn't pretend otherwise you fucking morons ) if you just watched the damn thing instead of chimping out over the 1 line on a powerpoint slide.

>>27695088
I wonder if someone will actually step up and sub the entire thing or it'll end up used as bait forever because
>learning moonrunes

>>27693863
>It's a tale that's insanely common in tech, which is probably the most comparable field.
I completely agree, especially because their investors' history is mostly in the recent tech wave. My instinct is that this is a bad fit, but it greatly depends on the investors' expectations. If they expect a multiple similar to investing in a dominant player of a new SaaS segment, I don't see how VShojo gets that high. But then again, I'm not in their vertical, so just because I don't see it doesn't mean shit.
I want to believe that an intelligent investor would base their expectations of VShojo by blending in the model of other entertainment companies, and not just assume tech-adjacency means tech-like financial models. But who knows what VShojo's sold them on?

>but saying "as long as the investors stay happy and you meet your projections you're free" is like saying as long as you don't get hurt you don't need insurance
It's not a perfect metaphor but I understand what you are going for.
Where it isn't perfect is this: capital enables you to do things you couldn't before, but comes with risks. Insurance is a hedge against risk, but doesn't enable you to do things you could not before. You can lack health insurance and still going skiing, even if it's dumb to. You can't run a $1MM marketing strategy if you don't have a million dollars. So you accept the additional risk that comes with capital, in order to enable a capability that you didn't have before.

>>27693947
>[expectations] in the field of vtubing kinda like the [expectations] that were had for blockchain?
I can't speak universally, but I certainly don't get that sense. Most "blockchain" businesses were a way to keep the gravy train rolling for the owners of the underlying crypto assets, as >>27694240 said. A content-based or talent-based business has a different value proposition than just "(1) We use blockchain instead of a database, (2) ???, (3) PROFIT!!"
Investor FOMO is real, hype happens, but most institutional investors should be able to identify the vast distinction. Even if 10 more vtuber agencies were to raise venture capital, that doesn't even begin to approximate the huge numbers and runaway valuations that you saw in 2017-2018 in "blockchain" companies.

>>27689684
They have a better split, but I'd bet Holomembers make more overall revenue from merch, concert tickets, etc. etc.
There's no way to actually know of course

>>27695088
>if you just watched the damn thing instead of chimping out over the 1 line on a powerpoint slide.

>>27671420
>the amount of fat on her body too
MMM
HEY WALL!

>>27695088
Not giving a view to a camwhore unless she's at least showing her titties, sorry

She is indie
Vshoujo is company
Vshoujo is Vtuner service provider.
Vshoujo sell service for Vtuber.
She buy Vshoujo service by let them use her IP and selling merch.

She is indie
And buying company service =/= indie Vtuber is retard

>>27696025
If she puts "VSHOJO JP" after her name she's not indie and it's bullshit to claim that

>>27696201
>it's bullshit to claim that
Maybe you feel that way.
Clearly not everyone feels that way.

>>27696290
"I don't FEEL like I'm lying so you can't say I am"
You're a child

Hear me out!
I have a solution to our underlying schizophrenia, let's make a new semantic free breed of vtubers!!
a, Indie-Corpochuuba, IN-CO for short
Has the benefits of a corpo while remaining her individual rights for content and IPl.

>>27696366
I don't FEEL like a child, so I must not be.

>>27696586
I respect the attempt, and I think it might indeed be a unique category. However, for too many people, they don't want resolution. The drama and argument is the point. It gives them a thrill to argue and tell other people why they are wrong. Someone like me? I like your term. Some others, you cannot get them to compromise them because it would ruin their fun.

>>27696290
>feel
Lolwut? What the actual fuck is this cope? He is right, if she put anything related to vshojo on her streams, name or logo, she is part of brand. It's ok in a collab with the other members, but on regular streams that would mean she is part of company you "feeling" it or not.

>>27696826
>that would mean she is part of company
I hear you. You do seem to feel that way.

>>27696201
> She let VshojoJP use her name exchange for Vshoujo service

Hard to understand?

>>27696826
Buying service =/= part of company

>>27696917
I won't lie, this is funny.

>>27671732
>in 5 years there will be a vtuber clickbait news agency like ANN and Kson will sue them for libel in court

>>27697741
what you say =/= what actually is

thats the problem

>>27697682
You're this desperate, huh?

>>27697741
When I buy internet service the cable company does not require me to plaster their name on my house

>>27700768
When you buy a home security system you put the "Monitored by SCUB Protect" sign outside. No metaphor is perfect, but this one isn't completely.

>>27700768
the agreement (payment) she has with VS is to let them use her name and image in exchange for her services.
doesn't it make sense to put his name together with hers for publicity purposes?

>>27701348
You're not required to, people do it as a theft-deterrent.
>>27701365
>well, she licensed out her name and image but she's still independent I swear
Is this really the new cope line? Put it back in the oven, buddy, it's not done yet

>>27701804
>You're not required to, people do it [because it has a benefit].
No shit, Sherlock.
You do not know that she is contractually required to put "VShojo" everywhere, because you have not seen any of contracts. Similarly, I do not know if she is doing it because she perceives it being a cool benefit that she wants to have. We're both speculating here, but at least I am willing to admit it.

>>27702275
What benefit does she get from putting those words in her description? Would I get them too if i put "Vshojo JP" on my Twitter too?

>>27702370
>What benefit does she get from putting those words in her description?
Ask her.
>Would I get them too if i put "Vshojo JP" on my Twitter too?
Try it.

>>27701804
> LET THEM USE her name and image
no reading comprehension anon?

>>27702539
This is the weirdest cope I've ever heard, and agreement to grant rights is called licensing. Are you even old enough to be on this website?

>>27702657
read again more slowly >>>27701365, come on, you can do it.

>>27702275
Zentreya removed the Vshojo from her twitter name for a while and Hime Hajime doesn't have it so it's definitely not a contractual obligation

>>27703424
>her

>>27696826
A talent agency represents talent during negotiation. People display that agency so people can contact them, and in some cases they benefit from the branding and promote that they're signed with them to show their status. She is not hired by that company or salaried. She isn't a part of that company in the same way Ryan gosling isn't employed or part of a company. He's employing them for negotiations and giving them a cut of his money he gets from those negotiations succeeding. They aren't an idol company, they're a talent agency. Usually they're run by one or two people. Large ones are companies. Vshoujo is tiny.

>>27671401
>holotards still shitting and pissing over the definition of a """corrp"""
We're coming for Korone next.

>>27671732
She's got more of a Kevin Nash personality than Hollywood Hogan. Personally, I can't wait for her Ravioli ASMR streams.

>>27705247
>>27671732
If she was Hogan that would make Kanata Macho Man and that just makes me sad.

>>27704069
>Ryan Gosling isn't employed
Thank you for confirming you know literally nothing