/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>60,216: Pekora (Hololive)
>51,071: Salome (Nijisanji)
>46,066: Subaru (Hololive)
>35,980: Miko (Hololive)
>32,726: Gura (Hololive)
>23,511: Noel (Hololive)
>21,104: Fubuki (Hololive)
>19,264: Miko (Hololive)
>17,118: Shion (Hololive)
>15,122: Chihiro (Nijisanji)
>15,062: Kobo (Hololive)
>15,057: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>13,699: Kobo (Hololive)
>13,422: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>12,884: Laplus (Hololive)
>12,677: Gatchman (Indie)
>12,514: Nose (VSPO)
>11,015: Koyori (Hololive)
>10,718: Nene (Hololive)
>10,256: Choco (Hololive)
>10,226: Okayu (Hololive)

>>27653657
>That's the only way that the girls will survive.
They could always quit Nijisanji and apply for Hololive. There's always that nucular optane.

The real question in all of this is whether or not they make money from pandering to Asia and if said money is worth giving up the entire NA market altogether to make it happen. Remember that this is a financial decision first and foremost.

>JULY 2022 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 43,044 - HoloCure
2) Subaru (Hololive) - 66,433 - Birthday stream
3) AZKi (Hololive) - 74,504 - 3D birthday live
4) Tsukasa (Indie) - 41,447 - Streamer league mahjong
5) Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) - 57,985 - Meschers off-collab
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - Drinking talk w/Laplus

>PER COMPANY
4x: Hololive
1x: Indie, Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
1x: AZKi, Mayuzumi, Miko, Pekora, Subaru, Tsukasa

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
122x: Hololive
54x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
3x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
19x: Pekora
16x: Aqua
15x: Salome
13x: Miko
12x: Kuzuha
9x: Subaru
6x: Hal
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Gura, Hololive, Mio, Suisei, Toya
3x: Chloe, Choco, Flare, Okayu
2x: Ange, Fuwa, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Mori, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, AZKi, Botan, Chronoir, Debi, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Laplus, Masaru, Mayuzumi, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Noel, Roboco, Rushia, Sango, Sora, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

https://twitter.com/LaplusDarknesss/status/1544584215303684096?t=Pddad-HqrbvpbVO-y-19lA&s=19
Louis sister ass ah ah ah ah

>individual vod comparing
pure cope, compare their weekly totals, of course she gets more on single ones, it's the only shit her viewers get too watch, stop defending laziness

Close to the 25k mark for the Council off-collab. Thought they could hit 30k, but the jank stream quality and lack of solid planning kind of ruined that. Still a very kino stream
As for who's winning gold tomorrow, 37k ccv isn't difficult to beat, but I dunno if any of the big JP names are streaming tomorrow. Would be nice to see Kiara win a gold for her birthday

Friendly reminder that the entire streaming industry is in a downturn this year.

>>27654931
Wow, is everyone sick of watching streams? What's the next meta for this industry?

>>27654931
>Twitch
Is not the entire streaming industry, especially not in Japan and for vtubers.

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY *

>32,780: Gura (Hololive)
>9,086: Vox (Nijisanji)
>8,362: Baelz (Hololive)
>8,294: Vox (Nijisanji)
>7,848: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>6,835: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>6,331: Ike (Nijisanji)
>5,091: Alban (Nijisanji)
>5,068: Luca (Nijisanji)

>EN GOLD SO FAR FOR JULY

1. Mumei (Hololive) - 18,378 (I'm on Observation Duty 5 w/Fauna)
2. Ina (Hololive) - 22,039 (Return Stream)
3. Luca (Nijisanji) - 26,367 (600k sub celebration unarchived karaoke)
4. Mumei (Hololive) - 22,338 (HoloCure: Save the Fans)
5. Gura (Hololive) - 20,406 (Chatting stream)
6. Gura (Hololive) - 32,780 (HoloCure: Save the Fans)

>GOLD PER COMPANY
Hololive - 5
Nijisanji - 1
Others - 0

>GOLD PER STREAMER
2x: Mumei, Gura
1x: Ina, Luca

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
Mumei: 13
Gura: 10
Vox: 7
Ina: 6
Luca: 5
Kiara: 4
Shu: 3
Uki: 3
Mysta: 1
IRyS: 1
Baelz: 1

>>27655014
People spent the last 2 years locked in their houses

>>27655014
>Wow, is everyone sick of watching streams?
No, things are just going back to normal because COVID is over.

>>27654908
>nooo, compare views from 900 VODs vs 300 VODs!
Quit being a retard.

>>27655014
Going back to the golden days of prerecorded content and hardsubs.

>>27655063
The tie in May feels like a dream.

>>27655118
>enter monkeypox

Holocure buffing songs now too

>>27655063
No one manages to get over 10k aside from Gura yesterday, that's sad. Did Luxiem really decline?

>>27654931
>twitch

>>27655250
>Did Luxiem really decline?
Yes, and they should pander CN more from now on.

>>27655177
noooo we lose in the metric that actually matters oh nooooooo
individual vod comparing is pure cope

>>27653024
Gen1 schizo real quiet huh. Come on. Bite. It's official bait.

>>27654931
Twitch losing top streams probably hurts them more than anything.

>>27655422
>4 posts
>2 baits

isn't gen1 schizo just a larp?
don't think you'd get much (you)'s from that

>>27654931
YouTube poaching major streamers from Twitch probably contributes to that decline.

>>27655250
yes, after that time vox addressing reimu thing, I feel like the entire nijiEN start to decline

>>27654778
I-Is that adult Hayama?!

Rankings for KR vtuber last month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3bYcAcueCQ

Some notes:
>Isegye is still at the top and growing.
>Competition is starting to get tougher around the 100~1000 view range. The number of vtubers is increasing but the viewership per vtuber is slowing down. Might be due to LCK and other factors, but not sure.
>Revolution Heart was able to catch the female KPOP audience. They're inclining, reaching around top 20, just behind Isegye.
>Few indies reached 1000+ range, including a returning vtuber and a completely new convert.

>>27654931
> twitch

There is money both in NA and CN, that's no the issue for Nijisanji EN.

The NA audience doesn't care about them so it would be wise to pander to Asian/Chinese viewers
Either with specific content (like the Selen/Enna chinese collab) or with streaming in the corresponding timeslots.

Whenever Nijisanji EN has tried to pander to Asia/China they have done very well number-wise.
I mean, their guys are the primary example of that.
The girls should try to pander more, too.

That's where the numbers and the money are, for Nijisanji EN.

>>27655234
Kay Yu needs to be erected a monument in HoloHQ

huh, I thought google had more restrictions for their API but they let you make 10k requests for free per day
so supposing you make 1 req/min to track CCV, you can track 166 hours of streams

>>27655807
More like he should add Nijisanji since the player base is declining fast.

>>27655782
can't wait for the nijisanji new outfit reveals to be only qipao and hanfu

>>27655613
fujos went to Shoto now

>>27655893
Nijibeggar.
Maybe build and actual culture instead of throwing shit to the wall and see what sticks.

>>27655909
Shoto really positioned himself perfectly in all this.

>>27655909
Do Chinese people watch twitch?

so zhang fujos raided again huh, welp that's my clue see you later folk

take off your crown rabbit .

>>27655250
they should change to NijiCN honestly

https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1544879102251126784

>>27656085
Half of Gura's fans couldn't watch her live, so they watch her vod.

>>27656085

VDO views are useless. anon... everyone know

>>27655853
>1 req/min
It won't capture spikes and Z's. Besides, how many streams can you track using that method? Does Google have an API that can query multiple streams?

>VOD vs CCV timeloops

>>27656213
Rigging updates July 9

>>27656213
GOLD

>>27656278
>>retarded

What was the last Ame solo game stream to hit 18k?

i'll bite like the retard i am
why are vods a bad metric for determining how popular someone is

>>27656085
pure cope, one of those two actually gives people other things to watch and it shows in their weeklies

>>27656398
Their not bad for a general estimate but it's hard to determine which views are actually people watching and which views are people who just click on the video and peace out after like a minute.

>>27656085
take of your crown shark .

>>27656338
vstats uses that to make the requests, 1 minute
you can technically poll every second if you want, but it's a waste
picrel is the data scrapped straight from vstats

>>27656398
Because my oshi's VODs are not as strong as her CCV, therefore VOD bad.

>CCVOD timeloop again
The fuck happened?

>>27656516
Jesas, how happy would Gura be? With off collabs and someone else being the "face of the comapany"? She would propably explode from happiness.

>>27656510
does youtube have some sort of system that "you must watch this much of the video" before you're considered a view?
doubt they'd reveal that info desu

Holy shit Ame is so bad at this game
If she doesn't keep dying she could hit 20k

>>27656510
If VOD views are bad, normal YouTubers would all switch to streaming honestly.

>>27656510
Holy shit you are truly a numberfag. VOD > CCV. There's a reason why NO company looks at CCV when determining whether to invest.

>>27656516
>Game vs zatsu
Retard.

That fucking anon saying nijien is as big as asoul is deluded. Peak asoul was as big as holo 3rd gen. They gone through their own version of gamebu now so they decline. Also asoul viewers watch more holo than nijien.

.t oldfag bilibili anon

>>27656643
30 seconds

>>27656637
Kobo is an attention-seeking whore so she would even be happier. No wonder ID people like Mika more than Kobo.

>>27656696
Now, do we have the same restriction with CCV?

>>27656342
Except it's a given fact from actual people with normal brains instead of schizo that VOD are more important than CCV.

>>27656735
>ID people like Mika

>>27656735
I don't give a fuck about Kobo but a win-win then, right.

>>27656637
This is also my rrat. I think Gura loves streaming, but she's also unable to fully be herself because she knows one fuck up could be catastrophic. For her, it's not just "oh no, another hololive yab" it's "the most subscribed vtuber in the world representing hololive fucked up, therefore meaning the company itself fucked up"
Think she'd be much happier if she weren't paraded around like some sort of trophy

>>27656667
No joke, but Youtubers have been switching to streaming lately since video views have become obsolete lately.
You also see that do premieres more since live viewership is a metric that's more reliable. People like Pewds get millions in VODs, but his live viewership sucks due to the dead subs that he has.

>>27656680
>return stream
>losing to stupid games
cope

>>27656735
delusional kek

>>27653284
>>27653284
>>27653284
Thoughts?

>>27656696
i'll be honest, i didn't know that information was public
guess you could claim bots are watching vods and inflating views
but you could make the same argument for ccv
guess it doesn't really matter that much in the end

>>27656601
Kiara Birthday

>>27656735
I've never seen any ID people talking about Mika

>>27656860
Meanwhile, where are NijiID and NijiEN anon? Did they not provide enough of a challenge to their competitors?

>>27656893
Do they have money? Will they use it on Cover?

>>27656893
wasn't that the logic for WACTOR? there's a big japanese population in peru/argentina

>>27656893
they should

>>27656671
>>27656667
Personally I actually do value VOD views more since that's the actual number people and companies tend to look at on YouTube and you still get money off ads on VODs. I'm just saying the reason most pro-CCV anons don't use VODs typically.

>>27656735
pls anon lol..ever since niji pulled out from ID markets they hate niji

>>27656601
Nijisanji in terminal decline and nijiniggers trying to deflect from that

>>27656754
Yes, 30 seconds from when you enter the stream. It resets every time your leave the stream (I'm not sure if this applies to tab out).

>>27656929
>NijiEN
midget numbers, too irrelevant to mention

>>27656510
I'm super mad when Ennafags bait me to click on her songs.

>>27656893
better than ENstars

>>27656967
do VODs really generate that much revenue? doesn't everyone have adblock nowadays? and even if 50% don't, how much money does 200k views get you anyway? like $200?

>>27656893
HoloKR first onegai

>>27656398
Total monthly/weekly vods I can buy. Vods per stream is retarded

>>27656516

Chat vs Buf game anon stop retarded

>>27655782
The thing is the NijiEN girls are Chinese so it wouldn't be hard to pander to them

>>27656680
>Use vod to cope
>gets beaten
>N-no its le zatsu
What a fucking Faggot

>>27657086
yeah, i think weekly/monthly/yearly/overall vod views, as well as views per vod, are probably good metrics to measure success. overall vod views shows how much people rewatch your content and how much staying power you have, while weekly/monthly vod comparisons can reveal growth or decline

>>27657043
>do VODs really generate that much revenue?
yes

>>27657043
The bread and butter of youtube is still based on ad rev, and that's based off vod views yes.
>how much money does 200k views get you anyway?
200 on the low end, 1000 on the high end. It's usually somewhere in the middle

>>27657043
YouTube premium, even if only a small portion of YT users have it (usually the heaviest users (mobile, to avoid ads)) heavily adds to the value of VODs.

>>27656893
You could use the same argument for ES? Plenty of Brazilians already understand EN and ES, they have a larger market and wider net since it's America (continent) + Europe. And even then I'm not sure how succesful a ES brnach would be. If you think the ID and EN fans are weird ES fans are even more obnoxious.
t. spic

>>27657190
jesus christ, 1k for 200k views? that's actually insane
so someone with 10 million vod views a month is making potentially upwards of 50k from just that, no superchats or merch. obviously youtube takes a cut, but that's still insane
i legit did not realize how much fucking money the top .1% of vtubers can make

>>27657043
>doesn't everyone have adblock nowadays?
I think most people watch youtube videos with their phones. And most of them don't bother to use adblock with their phone.

Sadly we won't see Gura, Kobo, and Pekora collab.

>>27657245
how does youtube premium play into revenue? does youtube check if individuals with premium watch certain vods, then give that channel more money for encouraging youtube premium by virtue of popularity?

>>27657043
Premium viewers is where a lot of the money comes from.

>>27657425
oh anon, it WILL happen

>>27657445
Isn't it depends on whatever algorithm youtube has?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh5hL47z2us

>>27657431
yes, they do that, they basically split the money you give to youtube based on how much you watched from that channel

>>27657425
gura and kobo can collab
the problem is pekora and the language barrier

>>27657091

Ok ?

>>27657534
isn't that even better, we can see more of Pekolish

>>27657493
a "regular-normie" viewer splits the time they watch on a lot of channels and thus the revenue they give it's not a lot
vtubers in the other hand concentrate the content watched for hours and dump them in the same basket

>>27657502
gotcha. thanks for putting up with all these questions. appreciate the explanations

>>27657540
like the other anon said, stop being retarded

>>27657540
>Kobo VOD higher than Gura's
>Chumpedo thinks this is supposed to prove that Gura is more popular
LMAO

>>27657540
anon, you compare it with 1 month vods, don't be too retarded, atleast compare it with the recent one
this is her zatsu 1 day ago, and keep in mind, this is only 6.5k ccv

So, Nijisanji will always be playing second fiddle to Hololive? They aren't able to retake JP, NA and ID dominance anymore and settled being a CCP bootlicker

>>27657668
holy shit you might be even more retarded than the person posting that image

>>27657540

1 month... indo..

>>27657425
The power... Too much...

>>27657716
The only reason Niji can tap CN market is because Holo pull out from CN

>>27656893
Every comment section and chat that the holos use would have brazilian monkeys shitting it up for all eternity.

>>27657770
>>27657425
will be hilarious if it happen before this
https://youtu.be/Qvr_zFl_pJQ

https://www.vstats.jp/video/zDGVtItJZiA
time 111.00
mean 14017.01
std 5001.56
min 193.00
25% 13697.50
50% 16001.00
75% 16992.00
max 18206.00
peak-diff 1214.0

>>27656860
>return stream
>Gura streamed during her "absense"
>zatsudan
Stop being retarded, the joke is wearing thin.

today was pretty brutal huh

>>27657174
How about you stop being a retard?

>>27657425
kobo was already asked a collab to haachama, laplus and shion
and all of them except said they were busy

>>27657966
Salome is streaming today holokek cant wait to see holokeks coping

>>27657994
how about stop coping with vod?

>>27657941

Return ? 3 days 1 week

>>27658033
when was the last time she got the gold?

>>27658056
Anon, just because you're too retarded to understand how VOD views work, it does not make them a "cope".

>>27656893
We should make a HoloAfrica. There are 1.2 billion people in Africa. If evem 1% of the population subscribed

>>27658087
Last month with a 44k peak.

>>27658033
Sure, where's your salami gold?
Oh wait, she can't even secure a gold anymore

>>27658033
>implying can beat peko DQ gamble
Kek better retreat to 24:00 JST salome

>>27658095
we already know kobo is culled worse than gura

>>27658033
Just like yesterday?

Shitposting aside, Salome gold today LIKELY. No big holo events, collabs, or Peko/Miko buff content.

>>27656893
I don't like numbers enough to endorse that.

>>27658155
so?

>>27658121
>Last month with a 44k peak.

kobo is doing great. her ccv is quite high and her growth is amazing. wouldn't be surprised if she gets a huge bump to all her vods and streams because she's incredibly hot right now
gura's kinda settled. from the numbers i looked over, she's a 15-16k ccv streamer, but she's been at it for almost two years now. wouldn't be too surprised to see kobo pulling better views per day right now. whether the same holds true in 4-5 months, who can say

>>27658169
Not only retarded, but blind as well huh nijibros

>>27658169
>He doesn't know about the power of DQ Grudge Gambling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_fahdypji8
B2B Peko

>>27657966
>3D debut + birthday
>5 people off-collab (first rea one with Bae)
>HoloCure (buff) + 1st time (super buff)
>Minecraft
>HoloCure (buff) + 1st time (super buff)

vs

>Elira/Selen/Pomu getting lower than expected numbers because of overlap with Ame's Holocure and the off-collab because they were retarded enough to pander to NA holobros instead of the chinese

It doesn't surprise me.

Bonus meme (yesteday stream):
>Mysta playing FIFA
lol
lmao even

>>27658207
>DQ gambling
Ok nevermind Peko Gold

>>27658205
>from the numbers i looked over, she's a 15-16k ccv streamer
This has to be bait.

>>27658169
>He doesn't know about Peko/Noel gambling kino

>>27658169
She's not streaming today anon

>>27656680
>1 hour ago vs 9 hour ago

>>27657966

HoloEN gonna die they can't passed 50K

>>27658265
i may be retarded, but i promise you it's not bait. wasn't there an excel with all the average ccvs of 2022? almost positive i remember gura being at 15.6k average ccv

>>27658291
>game vs zatsu
Sorry, but it's just retarded to compare those. I would equally rell a retard who'd compare Peko's zatsu VOD with Gura's game VOD to fuck off.

>>27656085
Let's see Pekora's first Holocure stream

>>27656893
Favela cartels. You'll probably get more drama from there.

>>27658265
Well, discounting the fuckery from January (CCVID that affected everyone) Gura's Feb-April were kinda poor (as in below 18k median, which is low for her) and it wasn't really until the tail-end of May that her numbers started coming back up.

>>27658328
In case you're being serious and not baiting, average ccv =/= average of peak ccv
When /#/ say someone is a 20k streamer, they're talking about peak, not average

>>27658239
Praying for a Peko hat-trick this week

>>27658033
It's too early for bait anon

>>27658432
Whats she got going on tomorrow? Also who has the record for most consecutive golds? Salami?

>>27656392

>>27658033

>OH NO NIJISIS DON'T LOOK

>>27658428
oh, never mind. i thought we were talking about averages, which is why all these numbers of "not 50k" are insane to me. like who the fuck gets 50k ccv in the west? even pokimane and valkyrae had like mid 20k in 2021, which was much more view friendly than 2022

>>27658545
based

>>27656398
Its not bad, just different. CCV tends to show a more engaged audience who are committed to check a stream. They are also more likely to be a unique viewer. VOD viewers tend to be less committed and they arent necessarily unique. You could easily listen to a song everyday and contribute a ton of views on your own. Thats not necessarily bad since the more you view something the more you are likely to buy into it. In the end, CCV vs VOD is just another shitpost for this thread. Using CCV or VOD to point out a possible fact is another matter and might even lead to actual insights

whatever happened to them 17 niggas Anykara just debuted? are the cute ones doing good at least

>>27658545
Hilarious

>>27658545
Still amazes me how dominant the dumb rabbit is

no vtuber was indicated to the Esports Awards

Not seeing any big streams for Niji. Looks like another easy win for Holo unless the Mahjong dude comes out of nowhere again.

>>27658414

597K and 2 weeks ago

Ok let's see gura 1 week later.

>>27658556

Kek

>>27657716
Yes, and that is irrelevant to people who like nijisanji. you enjoy things for what they are not for popularity

kek 2 POVs, RIP your gold PEKO

>>27658010
Source?

>>27658907
>you enjoy things for what they are
Get out from /#/ while you can bros
I can't enjoy stream that have less than 20k ccv nowadays

>>27658243
retard, this is a jp collab and they mainly speak jp so thats why

>>27658937
>implying the implication
first time watching peko vs noel gambling collab

>>27658907
why you answer seriously like that anon? it'll be on the nijicope list after this

Luxiem new song mentioned on billboard as 8th
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1544910952419667969?s=20&t=dfbkn5ARHJWrzNosOxjopA

>>27658937
This is the 2nd time the do this, check the 1st one, also 2 POV
and you will turn into clown afterward

>>27658556
noooooooooo...we will not lose...we will deploy more bots tomorrow

>>27658938
https://youtu.be/GcuzIZ1d-S4?t=1149

>>27659009
i answer like that because i was a holo fan when they were second and I never cared if they were first or second.

https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000719.000030268.html
1st Gen Live2D 3.0 relay on 9th July
New Features:
>Better tracking
>Slight hand/body motion
>More emotes
>Controller support
>Added Tears/CloseUp/HeartEyes function

https://youtu.be/mXYIY1N8HHY
>Iofi's long wait Karaoke
Will she hit 10k?

>>27654693
Final /news/ roundup for 06-07-2022
>>27605348

Top ID Vtubers agencies
>>27519062

Recent Clip Numbers
>>27596119
>>27596149
>>27596267
>>27596291

>>27659063
>I never cared if they were first or second
>in /#/

That's funny

>>27659096
no, her singing is bleh. 5k is good for her.

>>27659096
>10k?
lol

>>27658774
You also forgot to mention it's almost half the length.

>>27658632
The reason people first started comparing CCV and VODs was because they were looking for evidence of the cull.
It's pretty eye opening when there are streams of similar lengths and vastly different CCVs but the one with fewer CCV ends up with more total views.
The first major instance of this that was noticed was the summer festival last year between Gura and Pekora's VODs.

>>27659096
7.8k

why holoEN 3D numbers so low anons

>>27657716
add KR as well..holo KR audience is big compared niji even tho niji has KR branch

>>27659179
because its way, way past their honeymoon period

>>27659096
I would laugh my ass off if she beat Luxiem today

>>27657716
Why did Anycolor paint themselves as the biggest vtuber agency in the world in their presentation? It's a lie, nijisanji is a sinking ship and riku is preparing a boat for himself. HoloEN could finally get 3D, they can go to Ame's cave or Japan while NijiEN has to wait for the borders to open up because their company can't invest the millions they were given into a 3D studio overseas.

>>27659179
Because Cover completely fucked up and practically abandoned HoloEN to their devices.

>>27659096
Anon...

>>27659246
>their company can't invest the millions they were given into a 3D studio overseas
Pretty sure this is gonna get grudgeposted in the future. But it still won't stop the NijiEN decline in EN regions. They'll still have to beg to EN (China).

>>27659276
urge to save... rising...

Hey luxiem

>>27659179
Way past the 2020 Covid buff days and they already showed their 3D's in HoloFes.

>>27659212
They should get ID2 and Council's 3D out of the way too. Give them their models already their honeymoon periods are long past.

>>27659315
yes..and luxiem should get 3D first before lazulight lol

>>27659163
Ccv to VOD is inconsistent anon. Just like how Aqua Sponsored stream with 40k+ccv has more views than Moris 3D with 70k+ ccv

>>27659179
Natural recline

>>27659342
They're holding it hostage until Holofes 4

>>27659342
it's kinda sad. for JP, you don't just get your 3d model, you get all the mystique and pizzaz and hype surrounding it to boost your channel
for ID and EN though, it comes so late that it hardly matters. and it's not like they have a studio to utilize the 3D models either

>>27659329

Nijisis

>>27659276
Throw in Kobo and Moona and maybe, potentially it could possibly happen

>>27659276
It's not the same anymore
HoloID is inclining since Kobo debut

>>27659096
> Long wait
Anon, she does one every month and they are 2k at best

>>27659410
Such is the fate of side branch

>>27659179
Because they already used their 3D buff for whatever the fuck is this. You can count smol 3d too

Pekogold today, get fucked Salamikeks.

>>27659315
Does Nijisanji even have a 3D studio in Indonesia right now? I mean shit how many 3Ds does Nijisanji even have with their foreign chuubas because atm they had to pull back resources from ID and KR due to lacking in management and manpower to fully operate 2 official foreign branches.

>>27659246
I mean, I don't think anybody's stopping NijiEN from rigging their own 3D... Or will Nijisanji forbid it?

>>27659249
>abandoned HoloEN to their devices
Was the 3D ever part of their contract in the first place? Seems pretty likely to me EN is seen as a secondary branch, otherwise if 3D related logistics were ever going to be an issue they wouldn't have hired members from all over the world.

>>27659329

It's funny , that trash game content like this can win high grade quality content.

King got addicted to league?

>>27659410
I though HoloID officially got a 3D office in Indonesia?

>>27659453
No way. Using that logic, that would mean Council and 3D would BTFO Myth numbers

>>27659529
Stop reading fanfic

>>27659434
anon-chama even with holocure super buff she couldn't reach 2k. And singing is not her strong point.

>>27659453
>whatever the fuck is this
Kino. The word you're looking for is Kino.

>>27659522
Yes and he's been a sub 15k shitter atm because of LoL.

>>27659521

Nijiseethe

>Level Max

>>27659522
more like he sick of apex lol

>>27659529
Stop posting from the future

>>27659522
ex pro

>>27659520
Yes, you retard. Why do you think Cover made them official 3D models?

>>27659521
stop pretending as nijifans, we know that stream is shit show

>>27659520
One of the reason why Kiara had to go to Ame's place is because Cover's 3D stuff that they sent to Kiara won't arrive in time.

>>27659520
I think it's more likely that 3D is part of their contract, but they only give resource for 3D lives at Holofes.

>>27659521

OUUUUUUUU

https://youtu.be/YA4-LdQ25oU
rrat

glad ID not so obsessed with their 3D toys, they can save it for the proper recording in japan

>>27659691

>>27659371
Imagine if luxiem gets the godawful bilibili 3D mmd models like the one suisei had for their CN 3D debut LMAO

>>27659614
Because they asked? Might be naive on my part but somehow I don't think they were betting on Ame to provide a studio for everyone else when they made the contracts.

>>27659541
Could be, whole point of 3D debut is to reveal their body movement. Myth was too fucking impatient for that and ended up wasting their 3D buff

>>27659717
Isn't Japan already opening country?

tomorrow starts the Apex ALGS, using burger time
>July 7, 8 Group stage
>July 8, 9 Bracket stage
>July 10 Finals
multiple vtubers did a watchalong of the event and the finals is guaranteed numbers

and then, the day Apex finals are held, the Valorant Masters starts

>>27659770
They were betting on Jap government to not be unimaginably retarded.

>>27659770
You're not naive, you're completely and utterly retarded. Their 3D debuts were planned long ago, but covid stopped everything.

>>27659802
Fps and vspo thread 3 block below

>>27659791
No anon Council or ID2 will not have better 3D numbers than Myth.

>>27659802
Expect weaker numbers unfortunately compared to before because the recent Apex update has been ASS

>>27659513
They already have their 3D which is chibi in VRchat
>>27659747
>>27659371
VirtuaReal has 3D for years by bilibili in China retards. Everyone outside of VR has or will have 3D in Japan.
>>27659483
there's a thing called 100k milestone to get 3D anon, and its done in order. So KR, EN and ID are behind many JP that got 100 first. Hana was offered 3D years ago but she refused

>>27659041
>Laplus
That is believable but
>Haachama and Shion
>...Busy
It feels more like Kobo's low ESL level and zero nihongo level is scaring away most Holos for collabs.
Kiara got lucky to cling on her as "Kobo's mother" to collab with her.

>>27659520
>I'm retarded.
There. Your post has been made efficient.

They can't go to Japan, and Cover won't fork over money for 3D events on studios that aren't theirs.

>>27659950
their collab is 1 team valo with ollie

>>27659950
not to break the "everyone is friends!" fantasy too much, but it's also probably the fact that her indonesian audience almost exclusively watches her. they don't really buy into the rest of hololive. so a collab does nothing for anyone besides provide awkward conversation due to not speaking the same native language

ame 3D studio is just myth can hold their urge having 3D stream, and look the numbers

>>27659329
>meh council is underperforming, luxiem is bigger than holojp

>>27660083
Tell that to her 10k+ valorant stream when the iroha-ame-kobo collab happened

>>27660111
if ID1 3D debut in japan i bet there is more PR for them

>>27659929
doesnt matter..china will make luxiem 3D debut first anyway lol

>>27660127
that's a good point, but i don't think that discredits mine. her viewers probably watched her stream only. not sure if iroha or ame even streamed, but i'd be curious to see if their ccv was higher or lower than average with the collab

>>27660083
it was a kino collab tho. but yeah, haachama didn't gain any benefit here

>>27660182
Get fucked pekora. I can already see sub 30k stream.

>>27660213
dang, that sucks. i'll have to check it out or at least look up some clips. sucks that i'm becoming a number shill. i just like stats, they make my autistic brain feel good

>>27660182
ogre

>>27659096
>10k
Is it Moona? No? Then you’re talking out of your ass

>>27655118
Nijisanji in partnership with Bilibili will produce the next virus to increase profit

>>27659012
B’z still exists? How old are they by now?

>>27659791
Man, this is the most retarded take in this conversation so far. The point of 3D has nothing to do with showing body movement, otherwise, they'd just fake everything with paid mocap actors like Niji sometimes does (apparently).

The point of 3D is to add another step in the "journey" (in the case of Hololive, the Idol Journey) to draw interest towards vtubers that start with Live2D models. But up until alternative, 3D models were largely worthless because there was not much other than gimmick streams that could be done with such assets. Yagoo was smart in seeing this truth and looked to diversify into multimedia projects, so that they can make the most out of each character's assets (2D, 3D, voice, IP, etc).

>>27659852
Covid have been around for months when they made the contracts, how's that considered a setback? Also, sauce for your claim?

>>27660045
>They can't go to Japan
No shit retardo, I was questioning why people took EN 3D for granted when there's no easy solution due to logistics, even without the Covid. Being able to freely go to Japan doesn't solve the issue of the studio being on the other side of the Earth for many members.

>>27659747
>like the one suisei had for their CN 3D debut LMAO
That's her usual 3D model actually.

>>27659373
It's inconsistent because of whatever Youtube has done to CCV.
In the short term VOD only viewers are not that different between EN and JP.
As a barometer to test how the actual CCVs compare it's fair to use VOD views.
CCV is directly connected to resulting VOD views in the short term.

>>27660205
Iroha has technically difficulty that day iirc so she didn't have a POV. I don't think Ame was higher since it was a collab and Ame can get 10k solo too.

>>27660459
thanks for the screenshot, appreciate it anon. guess next up i'd be curious to see what the overlap is between kobo's subscribers and ame's subscribers as well as if there was increased viewership the next several streams from kobo's base. i'd imagine probably not, but i could be wrong

>>27655782
>Slowly loses less than 500ccv after holo off-collab start
>Gains way more than 500ccv after off-collab ends
>Ame holocure starts as they stopped playing and are just discussing before Pomu MC collab
>THE NA AUDIENCE DOENS'T CARE ABOUT THEM

Yea ignore those 4k+ watching them during the entire thing while only a small portion went to watch a 5person off-collab

>>27660396
>No shit retardo, I was questioning why people took EN 3D for granted when there's no easy solution due to logistics, even without the Covid. Being able to freely go to Japan doesn't solve the issue of the studio being on the other side of the Earth for many members.
I already told you that the obvious, common sense solution to solve this problem (third party studios) was a solution that Cover refused to do (whether it was out of corporate pride or Japanese autismo is irrelevant). They simply kept everyone waiting in the hopes that Japan would get their shit together with the Covid restrictions. But that ain't happening any sooner, so they're forever stuck waiting. This is why I call your post retarded.

They either have to learn the hard way to be flexible or continue to lose the momentum to groups that will be.

>>27657043
From various sources, namely Linus Tech Tips video on the subject and stuff said by people like Charlie, 1 millions views = ~2000$ from ad revenue, at least

On streams, the number revenue from Youtube Premium can be up to 4 times the revenue of ads, which disproportionately favors streams over conventional uploads.

>>27660396
>Covid have been around for months when they made the contracts, how's that considered a setback?
Yes anon, everyone knew Japan would lock down for 3 years back in mid 2020.
>Also, sauce for your claim?
Watch streams. I doubt you ever watched a single EN stream tho.

Pekora got 48.4k last year for the DQ gambling stream with Noel. Today will be multi pov, same as last year. However, Pekora has a revenge buff this stream, being put on a leash last year as the loser.

Will she get a better number this year /#/ ?

>>27660621
>common sense solution to solve this problem (third party studios) was a solution that Cover refused to do
Anon they used third-party studio for Holofes

>>27660669
Sub 30k. Suisei overlapping.

>>27660347
you know, as dumb as idol culture can be sometimes, the whole process of the "journey" that you described really is special, not just for the talents but also for the viewers
it's like watching your 2view oshi become a worldwide phenomenon. you feel pride for the talent you're supporting, and you're invested in their "storyline"
storyline is a phrase that gets thrown around a lot at csgo majors. announcers would talk about the storylines of each team, of underdogs, of returning champions, grudge matches, etc. at first i thought it was stupid, as if it were some kind of manufactured drama. but then i realized that's kind of the whole point. even if the journey is overexaggerated, it provides much needed structure. it gives something for viewers to grab onto and provides them with someone to root for and get emotionally invested in

When was the last time he failed to reach 10K?

>>27660669
She's overlapped by a Suisei stream so no

>>27660767
never

>>27660767
CCVID.

>>27658964
holy fucking cope

they are getting slaughtered because the NA holofags prefer their holowhores

they fucked up by pandering to them instead of the Asian/Chinese audience

your seething won't change the truth, faggot

if they don't drop their shitty NA pandering they will always be failures, playing second fiddle to HOLOLIVE

China is their only way to survive

>>27660845
so here's a question i always wanted to ask: how do you pander to china as an EN vtuber? what exactly would the girls need to do to get chinese money? mandarin streams every day? very fast burnout. play only chinese games? they can't speak mandarin so they can't communicate with their chinese audience if they do. and besides that, would there even be a significant number of chinese viewers watch them over native chinese steamers?

>>27660767
Can't Nijisanji maintain more than one person at the top? Ever since Salome's rise, Kuzuha has on declining rapidly.
On the other hand, Hololive 1st Army manages to main its dominance. And that is not accounting for the rest of the mid-tiers who can hold their own shit as well. Plus, Hololive can count on HoloEN and maybe HoloID to gain good viewership daily.

>>27660756
A good example of this is the Suisei Cinderella story clip. It’s basically a good introduction to her character arc.

>>27660935
>the girls need to do to get chinese money
They need to become male and do blowjob RP stream

Kiara Easy Gold salome stream will not count today!!

>>27660688
You say that like I don't know that was the case, and you're retarded for even trying to use an outside venue for a convention+concert as some sort of gotcha when that is generally the standard affair over in the entertainment industry. And even with all this in their history, Cover still is inflexible enough to be a roadblock in the success of the girl.

>>27660756
They lost that "storyline" the moment they let Mori do the 3D debut but somehow prevented the others from getting proper 3D debuts even if it was with a third party. They lost that story to the point that the girls are taking matters on their own hands and doing everything they can to give something to the audience. Because in their eyes, they'd have stagnated and the constant wait is wearing them out.

I don't know if they're aware, but the entertainment industry (especially in the west) runs on hype, and that hype runs on a timer. Once the timer runs out, it's over, you lost the momentum, and getting it back is hard as hell. They need to be more flexible if they want to keep (or even grow) that hype.

>>27661078
Good joke

>>27661110
They didn’t lose it. They used it up to sell tickets to Holofes 3.

>>27660935
Nice try Enna and Selen, but here's how
1. multistream on both Youtube and Bili
2. do a Bili exclusive stream, language doesn't really matter
3. make a cover of CN popular song. While in this topic why the fuck NijiEN's girls don't make that much covers? Especially Enna who people here said is the best vsinger ever alive.

>>27655807
Him and kaneru

>>27660989
Honestly, this made me realize something. Salome's audience has minimal overlap within individual Nijisanji members, but still a high overlap with nijisanji overall, something like 40%.

I would bet this is an audience of pure nijibox people who proped up King for a while and have now abandoned him for Salome. My theory is that there is actually a kind of Nijibox which runs on a logic counter to that of the holobox, where casual viewers are monopolized by one talent at a time instead of having many shared dedicated audiences like Holos do. This creates superheavy 'top talents' whenever the tides turn, but it means everyone else declines

>>27657534
Can't Kobo speak some japanese? She could translate between both.

>>27661400
She's not zeta.

>>27661202
Aloukeks keep parading her around but her King cover was super meh.

>>27661400
Weebs Japanese.

>>27661110
>https://twitchtracker.com/pokimane
>https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCWxlUwW9BgGISaakjGM37aw
You're talking like Myth aren't comparable to the top female streamers in the English sphere even after reclining.

Cure your numberrot

>>27661110
hm, well when one door closes another opens. i think you're partially right about hype, but at the same time, i don't think it's possible to maintain momentum for your entire career. at some point you're just going to settle and continue building your image until the next big hype train rolls around. i'm personally a believer that hype comes in waves. i don't think it's necessarily important to continue running on that momentum, but rather being ready to
ride that next big hype wave and knowing how to capitalize on it. as we saw with myth, capitalizing on hype at the right time was hugely important. you're right about needing to be more flexible, the holo girls shouldn't be as chained down as they are right now. i'm sure it's for reasons, but it seems too conservative to me
as an addendum, one thing i love about EN's situation is that despite having one of the most successful gens in hololive history, they're still treated as a side branch and not given the same treatment as JP talents. it's really cool and honestly inspiring to see what they can do without any help from cover
like that credits frame during kiara's birthday. that huge heartfelt thank you to AMELIA WATSON in all caps was beautiful. a moment like that doesn't happen and doesn't have the same impact unless myth goes through what they've gone through

>>27661304
bots.

>>27661540
HoloEN should just spin off as a separate agency and hire an American as the CEO.

>>27661653
Everyday your shitposts become dumber and dumber

>>27661653
HoloEN is a lost cause. Making them into a separate agency is just asking to lose money

>>27659012
Whats the difference between billboard japan and oricon?

>>27661729
Different methodology and sample size.

>>27660935
By not speaking chinese but doing some pandering to them. The nationalistic ones just watch their CN streamers.
There are a lot of self hating chinks in China that love foreigner stuff. Luxiem is so big among chinks because they speak English
The same happens with Koreans. Just look at how much they love Bae while being indifferent to Kronii because she's a gook

>>27661743
Which is more impressive? billboard? I see a bunch of garbage on the oricon all the time

>>27661729
Is Luxiem going mainstream?

>>27661500
By the way
>https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/valkyrae-net-worth
?While it’s impossible to accurately determine how much Valkyrae makes per month, we can easily expect her income from YouTube to be around $150,000 a month, if not more.
>From an accidental leak that happened in Valkyrae’s stream last December, it’s evident that the YouTube star makes about $173,000 per month. However, this is her income from YouTube alone, which means that the money she makes from other sources, like being a part of the 100Thieves content creation team, for instance, isn’t included in this.

For people interested in understanding how much money HoloEN is making.

https://youtu.be/3CqKF3HXCBg
ASMR Shuba...

>>27660347
the next step is to have us be able to interact with our oshi digitally in their 3D form via HoloEarth
>the ultimate endgame

>Kobo struggled to break 10k now
Oh no no no Kobokeks not like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4D_pdGIZnk
Thoughts?

>>27659096
If she announced her graduation then maybe

>>27661772
People use both, the difference is not really that much. Holo also charted on billboard a lot.

>>27661500
How do we save NijiEN?

>>27661500
>Cure your numberrot
I'm not talking about numbers specifically, and I know who stands where among vtubers and on the streaming industry at large. You just wasted a post.

>>27661540
I don't disagree with you about the hype. Hype comes and goes, but when you have hype (and the momentum that comes with that hype) it needs to be kept for as long as possible. Otherwise, you end up floundering and stagnating. You may keep your loyal audience, but you're not necessarily bringing new people to watch you during the "down time" and building hype for the tourists doesn't come easy (or cheap).

Cover needs to be more conscious of this because the box is not going to keep propping them up forever and eventually they'll have to go back down, just like AKB48 did from their peak, and just like... everything entertainment, really.

>>27661400
No, but she can definitely carry a 3 man-3 languages collab.
We've seen it before.

>>27661772
Billboard.
Which makes Luxiem hitting 8th a big deal.
None of the Holos have ever topped Billboard Japan.

>>27661772
Billboard is all music, Oricon is just Japanese music.

>>27661919
>I'm not talking about numbers specifically
Then shut the fuck up. No one cares about whatever you're talking about if it's not numbers.

>>27661941
Luxiem is going mainstream in Japan while Hololive languishes in mediocrity.

Migo, Shuba, Suisei and Pekonoel
It's either gonna be overlap hell or funnelheaven

>>27661769
i see, so switch to streaming on billibilli or however it's spelled and playing chinese sanctioned games
they'd probably need to get the chinese copies of certain video games. i know for example dota 2 has different icons and effects in china because they're not allowed to show as much explicit blood/death

>>27661941
>>27661941
>None of the Holos have ever topped Billboard Japan.
Heh
https://twitter.com/search?q=%E6%98%9F%E8%A1%97%E3%81%99%E3%81%84%E3%81%9B%E3%81%84+%40billboard_japan

>>27662010
Hololive is flopping hard even in the West.
Their latest stint at AX was a massive failure

>>27662051
>download albums
not the hot 100 doesnt count

>>27662031
It will be Miko funnel into Pekora/Noel, she is starting at 7 and they are starting at 9

>>27662057
how was it a failure? i didn't pay attention to it so i don't know

>>27662051
wtf you guys didnt tell me Suisei was a big deal

>>27662051
HOLY COPE
How many hours did it take you to Photoshop this?
are you really that desparate to make it seem like Hololive is still relevant that you'd just straight up lie

>>27662004
>interjects in a conversation about business practices
>gets told his point is irrelevant to the conversation
>"sh-shut up! nobody cares!"
Retard.

>>27662105
They made it up

>>27656893
>What stopping them?
First
>They can bootleg and use holo's IP on whatever product they want without holo's permission and cover could do nothing about it (there's already some in fact)
Second
>you dont want your oshi to get rape or killed on stream now are you anon?

>>27662057
>>27662010
>>27661941
>>27661706
>>27661653

remember anons, at least wait for the good baits to bite into.

>>27661874
stop grudge posting yourself

>>27662162
It's sad, honestly. As a professional shitposter nothing hurts my soul more than lazy bait.

>>27662147
lol
lmao even

>>27658545
King..

Perhaps the reason Irys isn't getting a new outfit is because everyone know L2D 3.0 was coming, people in management knew that she would need to be rerigged with obsolete software if she did a new outfit and so they decided to delay until this was rolled out for her new model.

Kobo 10k GET

>>27662112
my guy, this is over half a year old news and had a million threads about it on here and reddit, the entire world isn't out to gaslight you

>>27662222
She won't get a new outfit until 2023 at the earliest then.

>>27662234
Took too long
She's declining

>>27659246
>Why did Anycolor paint themselves as the biggest vtuber agency in the world in their presentation?
I mean.. they are technicaly aint wrong, size wise that is. That's how they scam their investor.

>>27662244
Fuck you, the world hates me because I'm the only one with enough sense left. You are all blind little sheep.

>>27662282
no one hates you..we just pity you

alright, time to pass out while listening to fauna whisper me things that make my brain go fuzzy
have a good night anons

>>27661885
Miko isn't 1.5m yet? How

>>27662327
no pekomiko for the whole year

>>27662324
>tfw I cant enjoy ASMR because it sends uncomfortable jolts up my back

>>27662327
Same reason why none of the Holotalents are household names like Luxiem - because they are talentless, lazy whores

I smell seething KFtard itt. Can you fucker just go back and make another cover hate thread? Or go to leddit or twitter and farm your sympathy point there faggot

>>27662395
all according to keikaku

>>27662395
What is it this time?

Is the new bait meta to act like a mental ward patient/conspiracy nut case or something?

>>27662396
dont talk niji id, kr, and niji en girl like that..its rude

(You) are fucking retarded

>>27662396
I heard that Nijisanji might send Luxiem and Chronoir to Kohaku UtaGassen this year

>>27662493
>new

>>27662489
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23VTuberUprising&vertical=trends
Nothing, just indie vtubers shilling themselves.

>>27662222

>>27662395
I hate vtweeters so fucking much

>>27662545
Has that VtuberUprising thing ever gotten someone noticed before? I feel like they're still just a bunch of nobodies

https://www.vstats.jp/video/Aqj_kFhnz1g

>>27660845
most of the girls fanbase are from the west you massive retard. holy shit, what an imbecile

>>27660083
True
IDkids dont know and dont care about hololive
They only watch kobo and begone
koboposter actually old fans IDunity

>>27662545
>French vtuber tweeting in english
>Tranny flag
>Vtweeters
>Whores
I dunno what I was expecting

>>27662070
>not the hot 100 doesnt count
https://www.billboard-japan.com/charts/detail?a=hot_albums&year=2021&month=10&day=11

kaela wasn't affected from kobo's overlap

>>27662694
Not the worldwide hot 100 doesnt count

>>27658756
I always say "Pekora always know what she doing". Even if she recline you know damn well that is still within her calculation and she can bounce back whenever she want

>>27662715
because she is building a cult fanbase similar to kfp

>>27658033
Salome stopped being a threat since last month Nijibro
Might as well bet on Niji events or Mayu

>>27662659
Really? I mean, they could have come to the Offkai concert to make the venue less empty-looking.
Even Phase Connect and Tsunderia had a lot of people coming to their booths at AX.

>>27657770
The spearhead of 3 Hololive branches. You can always count on them to lead Hololive to victory when the situation is dire

>>27662362
but there is micomet

>>27642761
anyone got a stream/timestamps or clip?
I'd love to hear her thoughts but for some reason she is REALLY hard to find through Youtube search.

>>27662821
suisei is mid-tier at best. if miko can actually sing, it might work.

Damm! No more Yugioh!

NijiEN is dead .... it been a years since first gen debut and none of them can even get 10k tier vtuber

Why so many streams from kobo? Is she doing some 24 hour streaming challenge?

kobo and kuzuha battling each other right now

>>27663134
Is this what a true recline looks like?

>>27657770
3 bombs that kill Niji

>>27663174
King is streaming lol, can't expect much.

Whoever is managing the HoloEN twitter really loves numbers: https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1544945117122813952