/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>60,216: Pekora (Hololive)
>51,071: Salome (Nijisanji)
>46,066: Subaru (Hololive)
>35,980: Miko (Hololive)
>32,726: Gura (Hololive)
>23,511: Noel (Hololive)
>21,104: Fubuki (Hololive)
>19,264: Miko (Hololive)
>17,118: Shion (Hololive)
>15,122: Chihiro (Nijisanji)
>15,062: Kobo (Hololive)
>15,057: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>13,699: Kobo (Hololive)
>13,422: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>12,884: Laplus (Hololive)
>12,677: Gatchman (Indie)
>12,514: Nose (VSPO)
>11,015: Koyori (Hololive)
>10,718: Nene (Hololive)
>10,256: Choco (Hololive)
>10,226: Okayu (Hololive)

Average CCV for 2022 https://files.catbox.moe/r5pawm.png

June
sorted by average CCV https://files.catbox.moe/nroeh3.png
by hours watched https://files.catbox.moe/sfx64i.png

thoughts?

Is there a chance for any of the HoloEN girls that's not named Gura to incline upto 20-30K streamer like how Peko and Miko did?

>>27635584
>JULY 2022 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 43,044 - HoloCure
2) Subaru (Hololive) - 66,433 - Birthday stream
3) AZKi (Hololive) - 74,504 - 3D birthday live
4) Tsukasa (Indie) - 41,447 - Streamer league mahjong
5) Mayuzumi (Nijisanji) - 57,985 - Meschers off-collab
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 60,216 - Drinking talk w/Laplus

>PER COMPANY
4x: Hololive
1x: Indie, Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
1x: AZKi, Mayuzumi, Miko, Pekora, Subaru, Tsukasa

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
122x: Hololive
54x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
3x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
19x: Pekora
16x: Aqua
15x: Salome
13x: Miko
12x: Kuzuha
9x: Subaru
6x: Hal
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Gura, Hololive, Mio, Suisei, Toya
3x: Chloe, Choco, Flare, Okayu
2x: Ange, Fuwa, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Mori, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, AZKi, Botan, Chronoir, Debi, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Laplus, Masaru, Mayuzumi, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Noel, Roboco, Rushia, Sango, Sora, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

Can any of the NijiEN girls incline upto be a 10-20k streamer like how peko and Miko did

>>27635619
The existing ones? Maybe Kronii but it would take a lot of work and it's not going to happen. Maybe someone in EN3.

>>27635640

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY *

>32,780: Gura (Hololive)
>9,086: Vox (Nijisanji)
>8,362: Baelz (Hololive)
>8,294: Vox (Nijisanji)
>7,848: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>6,835: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>6,331: Ike (Nijisanji)
>5,091: Alban (Nijisanji)
>5,068: Luca (Nijisanji)

>EN GOLD SO FAR FOR JULY

1. Mumei (Hololive) - 18,378 (I'm on Observation Duty 5 w/Fauna)
2. Ina (Hololive) - 22,039 (Return Stream)
3. Luca (Nijisanji) - 26,367 (600k sub celebration unarchived karaoke)
4. Mumei (Hololive) - 22,338 (HoloCure: Save the Fans)
5. Gura (Hololive) - 20,406 (Chatting stream)
6. Gura (Hololive) - 32,780 (HoloCure: Save the Fans)

>GOLD PER COMPANY
Hololive - 5
Nijisanji - 1
Others - 0

>GOLD PER STREAMER
2x: Mumei, Gura
1x: Ina, Luca

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
Mumei: 13
Gura: 10
Vox: 7
Ina: 6
Luca: 5
Kiara: 4
Shu: 3
Uki: 3
Mysta: 1
IRyS: 1
Baelz: 1

>>27635640
finana had a 10k stream last month and selen had one a few days ago. they're inclining pretty hard right now.

>>27635640
Maybe someday, anything can happen given enough time.

how do we save chronoir lads

>>27635600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkX2NAKFM5Q

>>27635600
Honest answer, it's not that weird and pretty much expected at this point. This isn't a dig at Anycolor it's just how these things typically go.
Shitpost answer, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>pinkwojak.jpg

>>27635711
Finana had a birthday, with literally everyone in Niji EN and random twitch people showing up, and just barely hit 10k.

>>27635600
They're still worth more than $1 Bn? Just who are these retards buying this?

>>27635684
I'm pretty sure vox did not get silver, nor bronze, you forgot Kiara's call-in and Holocure stream

>>27635395
>How many 10k+ streams did NijiEN have today?
10k and above streams today as of now

>>27635619
Mumei and Kronii if they put in the work. I could possibly see Fauna doing it, but unless she does something that goes viral it's going to be a long grind to get there. If Irys gets a redesign she may be able to ride the hype of that if she plays her cards right. The more likely answer is EN3 having a breakout however at this point it feels like the EN vtuber talent pool is a bit dry.

>>27635600
Idk how these things works. Are they loosing money? Going under depth? Is it really that bad?

>>27635726
you can't save someone that doesn't want to be saved

>>27635898 (me)
>NijiEN
I didn't do my reading reps, disregard everything I said.

>>27635874 (me)
NijiEN record so far

Is Hololive the most toxic fanbase in vtubing?

>>27635848
they were both on the 5th for jp time
>>27575778

>>27636067
no

>27636067
hi intern-kun. your shift doesn't usually start for another 12 hours. did they have to call you in for more damage control because of the tumbling stock prices?

>>27635600
pink wojak thoughts

>>27636067
Nice generalization sister

>>27636124
Anycolor is still a company worth more than 1bn usd. No matter what you Nijisanji is winning in business front

>>27636067
nah, nobody can compete with nijisanji in that regard

>27636257
definitely intern-kun. i'd recognise that posting style anywhere. rough times, huh?

>>27636163
Harasses other fanbase and vtubers
Extremely fragile ego
Harrass their own talents whenever their is an indication of male on their life
Always headbutting with other fanbases and within themselves

>>27635619
First off, Gura is an on and off 20k streamer. Is there a chance to incline to Gura's levels? I don't see it, people forget but CCV wise she's at the peak of English women streamers despite being a fucking weird anime niche girl. But Kronii CAN get to a several 20k streams a month easily if she just...tried. Just play he goddamn buff games woman

>>27635640
Try to beat Holo ID first, of course not including Kobo

>>27636257
>The line charts from Riku's ass hairs when I was giving him a rim job told me so

>>27635584
Queen slip salome hahaha.

>>27636460
thats got me curious. aside from pokimane is there any other female streamer who gets around 20k+ ccv

>>27636008
> yeah Council didn't do as well as planned.
> Sana mogging Fungus.
Poetic.

People don't mention it but vshojo already had an hololive quality member before kson. Which is Himehajime she audition for hololive made it to final for myth but got rejected. So she pretty much an hololive member in everything but name.

>>27636008
>Nina can't get past 3k by herself and will always need a collab and raids to reach 5k
I hope any of the girl manage to pass her in subs

>>27636661
Sana literally cannot stream for long periods of time because it causes her immense pain, has only 6 VODs in June, and has another job on the side
And she's still mogging Fungoid
It really is beautiful isn't it

>>27636124
>>27636257
I'll take this reply reply as a "yes, I'm even working unpaid extra hours".

>>27636703
this, i heard she gave up on her application once she heard there would be no creative freedom

>>27635922
Can't really tell exactly until they release a new financial statement and see how the Cashflow of the company is going. (Since thats where investors always want to look when looking at the financial progress of a company)
If things go stupid wrong for Niji I guess they could always borrow money from a bank and come up with something that can bring them back up, cut off another branch or merge them with the main Niji JP branch, push for more BilliBilli streams, take more sponsored streams, start using Salome as their main attraction girl like they're doing with Vox, you name it.

Caught up on the /#/ threads from last night and wow there are more easily triggered nousagi here than I expected. Do all the blue girls just have huge numberfags hanging out here all the time?

>>27636703
who?

>>27636650
the only other one that comes to mind is valkyrae but i'm not sure on her stats since shes on youtube

>>27636756
Now she has the freedom to never fucking stream

>>27636703
She didn't even make a serious application, she did a meme stream where she made the Hime design as a joke and I doubt even sent it in.

>>27636650
Valkerie on YouTube? Idk all the other ones are basically 10k ~ or less and that’s already Ina, Kronii, mumei territory.

>>27636846
I mean so does Sana

>>27635640
I think Enna can if she go full chink pandering. Stream at chink hours, translate for Vox/Mysta when they collab.

>>27635584

if it was cheaper for kiara to fly to studio de ame over renting a local 3d studio, do you guys think it's the same for HoloID?

I feel like Moona, as the other standout performer at holofes, could really make use of it

>>27636440
why are nijiniggers like that?

>>27636846
thank fucking god she's not joined hololive
we don't need this kind of streamer

>>27636899
Yeah. Why does no one in EN stream?

>>27636783
All the blue girls have big fanbases and are used for bait constantly so it's hardly suprising

>is married to a gorilla
>Has lost her wedding ring not too long ago as Kson
Kanatan...

>>27636440
just describing nijikeks perfectly, good job anon chama

>>27637039
That's a possibility. Moona might just wait for Japan to open though. I don't think any of the others care enough about 3D. Maybe Reine but she could rent a local studio.

>>27635922
They haven't lost any money. In fact, the opposite is the case (they have made quite a bit of money both from the chuubas and the IPO). The problem is that their company's valuation is out of whack because people keep buying into the hype and buying through sheer FOMO effect. The "investors" (could be scammers and profiteers) got in at IPO, everything else is gamblers: day traders looking to make a quick buck (that's their "job") and idiots with life savings to burn.

The real game begins after the Q1 reports. Until then, we won't see the price stabilize.

>>27637323
Wait, I didn't know about that, Kson lost her couple's ring?

>>27637323
numbers?

>>27637039
You grossly overestimate how costly it is to fly to an other country. I'm in EU and I could fly to America for less money than she does in a SC reading. Flying isn't something expensive, it's just annoying. Of course a studio would be more pricey.

>>27637432
Up your ass anontachi <3

>>27636440
>t. projecting nijikek

So Mori only got 14K for holocure?
Damn, that's pathetic

Somehow this is the only thread talking about Vshojo anymore. Everyone else forgot already. Let it go. Sana will have better numbers than Russia and Coco combined.

>>27636440
Remember when Mystah fans got kicked out of niji general just because Mystah overlapped Sonny’s BD lmao. Nijiskeks are very toxic within their own community

>>27637549
She was streaming at the same time as Ina with the Minecraft Buff, no surprise she got culled there.

>>27637549
> EU time zone debuff and Not calling Kiara on her BD debuff

>>27637549
dead subs

Migo 1.5M, could be another gold contender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4D_pdGIZnk

>>27637549
How much did Pomu get for HoloCure?

>>27637716
>Being unlikeable cunt debuff

>>27637549
holoen box is weak, pls understand
i have hope on ame later tho, 20k petting bubba ikz

>>27637760
>Miko singing
>Gold contender
lol

>>27635600
Seems like a buy. Probably getting the dead cat bounce tomorrow.

>>27637549
The only people programmed to watch Hololive at this hours are Takos (and maybe Saplings). If given the choice of FOTM stream #1345245 or Ina's Back, they will back that giant ass--

>>27637787
She will get a pity boost from KFPs for managing Kiara 3D

>>27637760
nah, peko DQ gamble ft Titty Knight should get it

>>27636714
Yeah, sure, that's why she is always on the minecraft server every time the JP girls have been playing. Shit one day it was over eight hours, Fauna caught her at the tail end.

>>27637760
Lmao shameless. And people have the nerve to call Luxiem out for abusing celebration milestones.

Seriously though, I think MYTH off collabs did Mori more harm than good.

>>27637760
gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYZwBx8s8rw

>>27637854
eat shit, nijigger.

>>27637549
Is this your first time ever seeing an Ina overlap? Takos are a fucking cult, right next to Watamates. Good luck ever having them budge from Ina. Even when Gura would overlap her she’d only ever lose about 1k max

>>27637851
she plays minecraft on her steam deck while stuck in bed

Ina catches the funnel but Mori's graph really look odd

Ina 14k

Ina 14k get

>>27636703
> yeah... I totally absolutely positively was about to become the next Gura but they weren't offering anything interesting so it's their loss.
t. Every 2view ever

>>27637851
LMAO that's even more hilarious
Plays video games on her own time, doesn't care about SCs or viewership, literally alienates herself, and still mogs Fartgoid
She's debuffing herself on purpose and it's not even a challenge. Literally 2x his ccv in June

Ina incline? Where Fauna’s new fans not really takos waiting for ina to get back, but new fans all together?

>>27636703
Thank fucking god. Bullet dodged.

>>27637834
I mean... After seeing all the art of the aforementioned back I would too.

>>27637998
Time will tell but I don't think Fauna will decline that much even with Ina back. She has been putting in the work.

>>27637998
I've noticed a lot more people coming into Fauna streams. She really capitalized on that time Ina was away to grab more saplings. All those streams = more clips = more interest. She's a solid 7.5-8k average ccv now imo

Holy...

jwu, how did Kiara's live go, numberswise

Passed Mori just before saying she is ending

>>27637998
Fauna's fans are a mix of Takos and her own fans. I always watch Fauna when she streams around now but I would not call myself a Sapling.

>>27638129
just under 38k

>>27638101
This brat can't stop winning

Ina beat Mori by 22.

>>27638129
36k. actually kinda trended in EU

>>27638101
The power of the Indo XQC

>>27638133
The OG buff game asserting dominance
I kneel, minecra oyabun

>>27638147
kek well I expected sub 50k but sub 40k isn't surprising either.

>>27638101
Rain brat doing that mostly with ID audience is impressive part to me. Or has any other ID girl leaned so much on their own crowd?

>>27638101
Aaaa SEA hours really never do stop, good morning to you mate

>>27637998
You see a lot of Fauna shills in this thread these days, they have been growing in number and trying to talk her up every chance they get. Makes me suspect a stealth shill campaign, maybe by a sapling discord.

>>27638248
She delayed it an Hr and Miko streamed over it anyways.

>>27638317
lol, meds

>>27638317
>maybe by a sapling discord
You think we are smart enough to use Discord? Thanks.

>>27638101
I can smell the pagpag from this

>>27636067
That's nijinigger.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee have a winneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I'm late?

>>27638101
I really wish she just had her growth from before she got thrown into the spotlight. Everything about her is just abnormal now and no one even has a great way to react to it.
>On a different plane of existence compared to her fellow IDs
>Super abnormal VODs
>Unthinkable sub growth for the market she’s in
>Even more unique chatters than Gura of all people
It’s like fuck dude. Just being a 7-8k streamer would’ve been awesome enough

>>27638412
Not really, she caught Mori's funnel and just about ended after the peak

>>27638428
Maybe she is the mythical "Gura Killer" and now with off collabs Gura can finally be somewhat normal.

>>27638211
What site can you view twitter trends?

>>27638412
I mean she only won by catching Mori's funnel

>>27638317
We already been through this. Fauna had the 2nd biggest incline in HoloEN last month, no shit people would talk about her more.

>>27638428
seethe hana, this could be yours

Did Black Rock Shooter trend for anyone else?

>>27638428
This is the numbers thread. Not the Nijiseethe thread sis.

>>27636067
nah, it's nijisanji

>>27638563
trends24.in
getdaytrends.com

>>27638517
>>27638580
a win is a win, cuckbeat

>>27638765
Absolutely disgusting and Nijiniggers really are the same across ALL platforms. You will never see Holochads talk about some small dog company.

>>27638255
I swear you guys act like ID gen 1 spawned ignoring the indo audience. They tried, failed, and had to be rescued by JOPs and EOPs. Kobo got a lucky break by being shilled by the biggest ID streamer. She isn't the only one that came up with the idea of "woah what if I streamed...in indonesian!".

>>27636067
It’s actually nijis

>>27638101
This level of growth is extremely unnatural. It's very telling how no one has even suggested botted subs when that's the most obvious explanation. She's going to be the third fastest Vtuber to 1 million while getting 1 million subs from a 3rd world country? What part of that is believable? Do most people there even have internet? I can't even name a single Indonesian city or celebrity or any cultural export. It's like a fucking black hole of a country, dunno how people can trust numbers coming out of there. It's like testing numbers coming out of North Korea or Iran.

>>27638949
The indo Xqc/markeplier started to shill her.

>>27638949
people treat vox's subs as if they're real for some unexplainable reason so i don't really see the problem
a number is a number

>>27638949

>>27638428
It may be abnormal but the growth isnt unthinkable for the market and the chatter proves real people are behind it. This is not Salome’s numbers that went against projections and typical JP behavior. Kobo debuted, declined to a floor in the next few streams and inclined as she got noticed by indog pewdiepie. No possible botfuckery at all

>>27638929
I answered "Not really" in the context of you asking if you're late and explaining what happened after, no need to be defensive takoturdchi

>>27638949
Indonesia has the fourth largest population in the world, anon

>>27639133
>population
niji india should have more than kobo

>>27639063
Vox has even more subs on Bilibili than Youtube. If anything his Youtube subs are culled.

>>27638949
Anon you trying to spin up a rrat for Kobo's popularity?

>>27639209
Niji India never had the chance. They were streaming from literal potatoes.

>>27638937
Pretty sad actually, and these "indochad"niggers don't even care about other ID girls. Yagoo should have withdrawn from this market a long time ago

https://youtu.be/K9-QIeEYUJs
Numbers?

>>27639209
How receptive are Indians with japanese culture in general? And how large is the weeb culture there?

https://youtu.be/K9-QIeEYUJs
>Bae channel
Owari da...

>>27638949
>>27638428
sad nijicope

>>27638949
I have a acquaintance who's a member of the Junsgang who told me they report every single day Milord's channel for having botted his channel with subs during the race against Kobo. You should be careful Nijisis, we never know how this would potentially end.

>>27639319
Sana........

>>27639307
Indonesian Kobo fans are only Kobo fans. They are immune to the Hololive ecosystem. They will never give anything to the Hololive community, be it views, super chats, or attention

>>27638949
>Do most people there even have internet
Stop insulting my fellow indogs, they produce good maids. Jakarta along has 10 millions people, and her content are not only ID friendly, but ADHD infected zoomers friendly too, hence her audience is worldwide.

>>27638949
It's possible some of the Indos have gotten overexcited and started making junk subs for her, I wouldn't rule it out. It's always a possibility with anyone with massive sub growth like Gura, Vox, Salome ect that some of them are are fake either from fans or just general youtube bots that flock to popular stuff.

>>27639209
That does make me wonder why the India market flopped so hard. Not enough weebs I guess?
Scrolling through the list of most populated counties right now and the country that pops out at me is Brazil. HoloBR could be a hit I think, assuming they don't go for HoloES first. Brazil has a fuckton of Japanese people too.

>>27639319
>>27639340
That's an amazing thumbnail

>>27639319
Why does Mori have to be there.....damn it...

>>27639319
Fuck, Mori...

>>27638937
Ok, ok. Excuse me if have no interest in the ID market because I don't understand their language at all. I promise, I won't ever mention Kobo ever again because it hurts you so much and I really don't care.

>Mori in Council off-collab
Kek Kiara's concert is already forgotten.
Ame must be punching herself hard rn for wasting sweat on someone who nobody cares.

>>27639445
Thank god I will pass out before that.

>>27639376
who?

>>27639396
Nijisanji just doesn't have any name cache outside of Japan. I bet you could open a Hololive India branch today and they'd at least be financially solvent.

>Bae's channel
desperate for subs because she's gonna get beaten. RIP Fauna the gap is going to widen

>>27639465
>Ame must be punching herself hard rn for wasting sweat on someone who nobody cares.
What?

>>27639396
Brazilians just like any other people from South America are absolute cancer on the internet. I fear for any chuuba be from HoloBR or HoloES if it became a thing on the future.

>>27639376
I feel sorry for her, really. Not only she's the least subbed Holo, it looks like she's not even close with anyone there

>>27639319
20k

>>27638428
she's basically embrace everything that holoID try to avoid
the rest of holoID members were basically a boomer, they had all the knowledge of western jokes, reference, meme etc
but they had 0 knowledge of indo jokes and memes
in results, you found ollie ranting about indo viewers complained that they don't understand english
https://youtu.be/WbyQaZZMDkM
the truth is, it's actually just a meme https://youtu.be/AGEowwh_R4c
not only that, unlike ollie. she never gets offended by anything, so when it's considered as an insult to other members, for kobo it became a banter. that's also the reasons why her viewers will not funnel to anywhere else. they just simply don't care about other member because of it

>>27639605
I don't. She obviously doesn't really care so why should anyone else.

>>27639634
Eigo jouzou. Is this a copypasta or does an indonesian bother typing this shit every time in different shades of broken english?

>>27639605
Feel bad why? She still doesn't fucking put in the effort necessary. She streams maybe once a week then fucks off. She clearly can't even bother to leave her shithole country for this even though they clearly talked about it if they could even get Kronii to leave her barren fucking house.

>m-muh injury
Literally an excuse because you can still take flights with them, a doctor won't tell you not to, they'll just give you advice on how to lessen it if it becomes a problem

>>27639605
>she's not even close with anyone there
she even barely interact with ina and she is the reason she is in council

>>27639319
>>27639340
Council Collab, but
-Sana
+Mori
Weird Combo. Always feel odd when they have a near gen collab but then replace one with another for reason. Like when Ina hang out with gen 5 minus Botan, sort of felt like Ina was the Botan replacement even if that wasn't the case.

>>27639702
sorry to hurt your feeling zomkek
that's just the truth

whats a tz cup and why is ollie in it? isn't she like below even choco at apex?

People keep saying that Kiara has no charisma. I don't understand why. I mean I do feel that she has no charisma, but I just can't say what's missing. She is a gaijin in Japan, an Austrian, can sing, passionate about streaming, care about her fans, and can put out contents. Maybe it is how she talks?

>>27639815
the injury thing is bullshit anyway. we know from holoEN and even JP MC streams that she plays a lot on the server, she just doesn't want to stream

>>27639319
I would think it would have more than what Kiara's concert brought in but then Mori is there. Think it would've done better if it was All Council minus Sana.

>>27639952
She's back in Austria but yes people complain about the voice mostly.

>>27639861
Never watched a screaming zombie stream in my life. Why did you assume I was a zomkek? Some cute indonesian seethe about Ollie's "speak english" rant? Kek, how pathetic. No amount of high CCV Kobo streams will make you not wake up in a third world jungle nation tomorrow.

>>27639531
Hmm interesting, I tried looking up numbers for weeb culture in India and found this snippet from TimesofIndia from a 2021 article
>India is second, after China, in the list of countries where anime is enjoyed the most. On an average, 73 per cent of Indians watched anime in 2020.
I'm not sure of how accurate these are but there might be some potential in that market considering the high youtube viewership that India has

>>27637954
Holocure is like an Apex graph, if they do well and survive over 10 mins viewers stay to see if they make it to the end, if they die or finish the 20 min level they bail and check something else rather than to stay for another slow run. They usually come back and check in on her progress every now and then though

>>27639952
I swear her english is stilted on purpose. You can't tell me she's not deliberately sounding more awkward.

>>27639319
>>27639998
didnt myth offcollab only get like 34k?

Myth is more popular than council though, I would say maybe 20k at most, maybe less since this is a guerilla and there was no announcement, so less people will know about it

>>27640203
Isn't that normal for continental English?

>Mori
Why tf council collab have Mori in there ?????

>>27639952
As some anon said a few threads back, it's the whining. Complaining detracts from charisma like nothing else.

everytime i see a Lazulight stream recommended its always Elira and Pomu never Finana and another lazulight

>>27640247
No. Full Myth offcollab got 44k. The guerilla 3d stream they did BEFORE the scheduled stream got 34k.

>>27640399
This is the answer. She thinks it's the frankness, others understand it's the constant and neverending whining. She can most amazing time in Maledives or America but it all ends in WHINING.

>>27640356
Council's black member couldn't make it so they replaced her with another black member

It's going to get shit for views because it's on fucking Bae's channel. Retarded fucking mistake. Wouldn't be surprised if it was Mori who told her to put it on her channel for numberfagging bullshit

>>27640435
So who is the one carried NijiEN female ? Pomu or Elira ?

even their stock got Z

>>27639952
For me it's the voice. I was waiting for her birthday celebration a few hours ago and once she sang the first song I immediately closed the stream.

Theoretically from what you said she is an interesting person, but her voice is too much of a filter for her potential audience. I mean I'd listen to her zatsu's and karaokes if only I could bear listening to her for more than a minute. I'm saying this out of no ill will to Kiara, it's really just how a lot of us feel.

>>27640399
>>27640506
Name me a holo that never complains.

>>27640130
Anon they gradually ramp up not spike up and they go down once dying, it's not as spastic as Mori's graph is, here's Mori's graph and Miko's graph in comparison.

>>27639952
I've been thinking a long time and the best conclusion I've come with is:
A mix of her chicken gimmick voice (which has softened a bit recently) and unironically her european directness.
She keeps missing social and comedic timing cues, so she starts a joke too late leaving people confused or too early and not able to deliver the punchline. She's charming but she could learn a thing or two from COPE, I think many of them have that social timing and comedy timing that makes SNOT and even chadcast flow so well.

Did Pekora and Laplus really get 60k by airing out old drama and rrats on stream? Kinda ballsy. Who else should do it next?

>>27640561
Anon, it's not just complaining from time to time. She complain EVERY time, about EVERYTHING

>>27640548
So you are telling me at least 36k people endure that voice for an hour live? Amazing

>>27640460
ah, then yeah, this also being a guerilla stream would probably get maybe half of that then, maybe a little more

>>27640548
What happen ? I hear they said that she use to be a member of a small idol group before joining hololive ?

>>27640561
On top of my head I'd say Botan and Coco (as much as people like to shit on her now, she was very stoic).

>>27640538
kek

>>27640561
Fauna

>>27640538
>IPO botted?
IPO botted

>Not a single NijiEN able to reach 10k
really?

>>27640561
I can't name you a person, let alone Holo, who never complains. But when you talk about awesome things and still can take many minutes to whine (not complain, whine) about some minor shit, it gets old fast. And I don't even hate Kiara. I like her when she is good but she can be absolutely annoying way too often. Whatever, I don't want this to be another Kiara hate circlejerk. Her 3D live was great and deserved a bigger audience.

>>27640881
Dead ...... they jinx themself thank to that discord leak

>>27640548
And she deliberately wants to use this voice even though she's capable of going lower, I don't know what screw it is in her head that thinks her high pitch voice is attractive or good, I swear I want her to get throat problems so that she starts dropping that voice

>>27640658
>two weeks shilling only get her 36k
her Holotalk with marine peak higher than this...

>>27640998
I kinda like her too which is why I am trying to identify the problem.

>>27640881
>those titles and thumbnails
What the fuck is wrong with Mysta? Even Vox at least seems to try to have normal titles and thumbnails every once in a while

>>27640561
It's not that she complains, she complains using that aggressive, shrill white woman voice anyone in customer service will immediate hate on instinct. If she complained in a nicer tone or just made a passive aggressive comment under her breath like a lot of other Holos do, I think she'd get less stick for it.

>>27641086
Most Marine streams peak higher than that, it doesn't mean much.

>>27640881
Their audience only turn in when they do gay bait or asmr coomerbait stream but overall the hype is just over.

>>27640786
>as much as people like to shit on her now, she was very stoic
The cope stream was so unlike her. Did her revenue plummet so much that she is that desperate to join a corpo? What is kson's normal ccv nowadays? Even if her superchat amount dropped she can sustain herself fairly well unless she lives an extravagant lifestyle.

>>27641145
Desperation. He's beginning to run out of horror kusoge

>>27640881
holy decline

>>27640998
She got exactly what she deserved. Her timeslot and voice aren't the only reasons why she can't get good views.

>>27640881
That male curiosity buff only goes for so long. You have to actually DO something at some point.

>>27639829
Wait when did Ina hang out with all of Gen 5 except Botan? I know she's collabed with them individually but not all together

>>27641260
my wild guess is Mike is one of the big reason, or the classic one is trying to do everything by herself finally reach the breaking point

>>27641235
So vtuber culture is the exact opposite of twitch culture? Twitch watch male streamers for meme and entertainment, female streamers to coom, while for vtubers people watch female streamers for meme contains and watch male streamers to coom?

https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1544844213220696066
wtf bros

>>27640998
Somehow I wish Ina, Ame, and Gura can be more vocal about their problems publicly like Mori and Kiara, not just shy it away or hide it in member stream.

>>27641260
I believe it's not the revenue which is the problem, it's manpower and connections. KSon has big goals (at least based on how she acts) but she can't accomplish all of these on her own.

>>27641482
If you think female twitch vtubers are more entertaining than they are coombait I'm not sure what to tell you.

>>27641494
Anon, this isn't the issue. Nobody is saying Kiara should never complain. But when you come to her return stream to hear about offcollab stories and she spend 15 minutes whining about a guy who ripped her off 13$, it's genuinely annoying.

>>27640881
Are these numbers still surprising to anyone? They've been dropping off for a while now.

>>27641488
This isn't news or numbers.
Go make a thread on the catalog and stop shitting up the thread with every little thing that chuubas do as if it's somehow on topic here. At least you'll get more (You)'s there.

>>27641587
You should read the post again. Sorry in advance for being an ESL.

>>27641537
>KSon has big goals (at least based on how she acts) but she can't accomplish all of these on her own
If only there is a big enough company with 50s or so employees with a big market and the flexibility to allow for meme review exist.

>>27641488
KIARA COME HOME ! POMU IS WAITING FOR YOU , YOU CAN FUCK POMU IF YOU IN NIJIEN

>>27638937
They're not interesting as Kobo for indonesian

>>27641488
dumb chicken, stop giving ammo for Nijibeggars to post on holo r*ddit

>Almost all of Council
>-Sana
>+Mori
It's getting 20-22k, potential 30k if it's entertaining or some news comes out of it

>>27641704
How long until Vshojo JP girls realise that Kson sold them a bag of shit and she is alone, AGAIN? Where will she go next?

>>27641907
What other choices do she have ? Nobody in hololive give a fuck about her

With Shalom's buff wearing off, what's the plan for Anykara now?

>>27638949
do you know how much ID youtuber shilling her since debut? one of them is ID xqc.. and a lot of artist are her friend such as jkt48 members

>>27641907
the only bad thing about that are the beggars and shills shitting everywhere
too bad about the chink situation

kek

8K waiting for the collabo

>>27642060
JP primetime vs EU hours
Kiara's timeslot is terrible for anyone outside EU hours

>>27641970
he shilled zeta more than kobo tho
he was also joined kaela membership
but somehow, it's only kobo who could capture his audience

>>27642060
is this why they're shitting up the board pretending to be councilkeks?

>>27642060
to be fair, mori was carried by suisei too

>>27642060
Talented singer with connections vs Orange whore and a SEA animator

>>27641488
Damm luckily this is the runt of Myth, imagine Gura giving attention to a Niji. No wonder Pomu has a huge overlap with HoloEN audience.

>>27640881
LMAO

Vox and Mysta just spamming shitty streams because they are so afraid to take a break. HoloEN actually has dedicated fans so they don't need to over work themselves just in hopes of staying relevant. They can take breaks and the fans will be there waiting for them.

>>27642334
>No wonder Pomu has a huge overlap with HoloEN audience.
Proof in next thread?

>>27640881
I guess they didn't lay the groundwork.

10k waiting room
isn't this actually huge??

>>27642334
Pomu has always been popular with Holo fans. Her chat overlap with Kiara isn't even that high, simply because they don't stream particularly close to each other. Pomu always has a higher overlap with Gura, Ame, and Fauna.

how to be the top streamer in en:
>fucking stream
>fucking stream on time
>fucking stop delaying streams by 1 hour
>fucking stop spending 20 minutes after your 1 hour delay to fix the technical issues you should have already fixed
now you can be a gura killer

>>27642474
It's delayed, should have started already.

>>27642373
Isn't Mysta menhera prime? He might genuinely believe that his viewers are only pretending to like him.

>>27642474
Better than PekoRap. 70k incoming...

>>27642474
No? It will double it though.

>>27641488
But I thought anons said NijiEN banned pomu and kiara from interacting. Just wait for Pomu to respond

>>27642403
just check the chat overlaps for pomu on vrabi
https://vrabi.net/channel/UCP4nMSTdwU1KqYWu3UH5DHQ

>>27642568
Cover really needs to hire a code auditor to fix their shitty program and make it smooth and idiot proof but Japanese companies don't do that shit unless they are already run by westerners.

Stop it hololive nijisanji dead and buried already.

Just got Pippa in my recommendation for some reason and she's shitting on Vshitjo kek
Way to get blacklisted from everywhere.

>>27642568
Ina does this and she's not the top streamer in EN. I understand you guys would like more streams and yes they help, but you are mind broken if you think streaming a lot makes you Gura tier.

>>27642451
When your viewers only showed up in droves to listen to ASMR blowjob RP or Random Number Celebration and are nowhere to be seen when you play a game....

>>27642653
And that proofs what, actually? You have asked people? You have some actual facts that say that those are the very same people?

>>27642704
What did she say?

>>27642653
I never understood this assumption that she gets fans FROM Hololive instead of..y'know..her fans acting like tourists and going to big EN streams.

https://www.vstats.jp/video/W0lICCjnuDs
time 77.00
mean 32568.55
std 5332.54
min 2775.00
25% 31269.00
50% 34608.00
75% 35251.00
max 36813.00
peak-diff 1562.0

just got home, gonna start doing retarded stuff for free
or as my teacher would say, working on my "marketable skills"

>>27642852
That proves exactly what it implies.
>You have asked people? You have some actual facts that say that those are the very same people?
Are you serious...?

>>27642929
kek, I didn't check the resolution, prob 1/4 is enough

>>27642828
Love Ina to death, but she's taken several breaks so she failed the very first check:
>fucking stream

>>27642761
Pipper is a /here/ fag and she succumbed to the pink cat bad effort posts, some penned by me. Bless her heart.

>>27642946
Yes, very much. I am tired of these religious like "I believe" like shit tier posts. It does indeed IMPLY, it PROOFS nothing. So proof it or shut up.

>>27639307
What the fuck are you talking about? Of course we care. We've been asking them to pander more into the local market because we always knew that ID is a huge untapped market. We knew that the chance to break into the market is bigger if it's the Holo ID.
But no, they tried just for a few months and then just decided to leave for EOPs.

I swear we have no problem anymore with that, it's up to them if they want to continue to pander to EN, we don't care because we already have what we've been waiting for. And we've always been right. We win, period.
But nowadays it's those veteran elitist fans and their sympathizers like you who're attacking us.

>>27642403
This is taking from one of her recent stream, even HoloJP audience watching her. Remind me back when Aqua was being friend with some Niji girls. Having connection with Holos is a massive advantage when you can access to the Holobox and having chance to convert some of them into your loyal fans.

>>27643143
I don't read moonrunes. Try harder, that can be literally anything.

>>27643091
Nigger are you retarded?

>>27642687
The entire issue is that all their model data is uploaded to a server in Japan.

>>27642403
Might not be the most scientific proof there is, but during the Ogey Rrat moment in Pomu's MGS3 stream there were quite a few people spamming the meme, for what it's worth.

>>27643219
>presents stats
>oh no i can't read them they mean shit
absolute state

>>27643267
If wanting actual proof is retarded, then sure, why not.

>>27643291
>Literally too lazy to host an NA node

lmao, that would be the problem huh

>>27643346
How convinient for you that on a site 99% of people speak english, your slant eye gibberish is not understood.

>>27642946
what does it mean, from her 2.3k chatters 500 watch gura as well?

>>27638949
even me a indonesian living in border city know about kobo and even superchat her in taiwan dollar until recently when id have their own IDR SC.
whats the shocking?

>>27642761
Pippa is as spicy as always. You got recommended probably because you watched some of kson's vshojo announcement earlier on.

>>27641478
I don't think so. Why is there a compulsion to help her anyway? I am not seeing kson as a savior type. The chink incident is just coincidence she is not deliberately trying to help Haachama.

>retarded niji shitposter getting taken for a ride by the most obvious bait
fucking ell

>mori

>>27643061
She "fucking streamed" for years now. So did Ame. So did Kiara.

I saw that it was 18k live already but then went to 16k like after they said Kronii wasn't present.

>>27641470
It was during the Usaken Summer festival where Ina was with gen 5 instead of Myth funny enough, I think she promised them before knowing if any of the EN was joining.

holy fuck this l2d quality, no kronii. god

>16k waiting room
>Stream starts
>Goes up to 18k
>Youtube bottlenecks it
>Throws people in eternal verify loop
>Currently sitting at <18k
It’s so fucking painful being an EN fan. Jesus Christ. Can’t even enjoy numbers. Youtube literally thinks streams start at 90% capacity

>>27644509
it was delayed
everyone who was going to show up was waiting

>>27644509
Always happens if you delay a stream.

Why is Mori tolerable in this collab than Myth's...

>>27644509
Or maybe, just maybe, that's all that combo can get. What did you expect 25K? 30?

>>27644682
>

If this get's higher than the fucking poptarts stream that had Gura then Myth truly is dead.

20k get
>>27644748
what were the numbers on the poptart stream?

>>27644615
>>27644675
Stop with the delays. Subaru and Towa delayed their stream by an hour today and it ended with 40k, 45k with Z peak. If you want to say delay then you can just argue that it’s youtube’s retarded bullshit anyways that they can’t even verify accounts accordingly from EN side

>>27644682
Because there's baelz, more annoying than mori

>>27644748
You realize that was a chicken channel stream, right? What a dumb thing to randomly declare.

>>27643129
Not him, but I'm not sure what you're on about, anon. They didn't just try for only a few months. It just so happens that the only group that gave the ID's any attention until fairly recently were the international fans. Hell, you have SEAniggers (indogs included) in this board shitting up thread after thread with retarded timeloops of Pekora, Gura, or whatever "yab" Mori, Kiara or NijiEN did a given day. yes, you can tell by the amount of retarded, ill structured sentences that these are clearly people that barely speak the language that these aren't westerners shitting up the board.

It's not the fault of ID that Indonesians didn't give a rat's ass about vtubers until they decided to show up like lemmings to a cliff after your local eceleb gave a little lip service to the newest additions to the HoloID group after an entire branch got dissolved and other essentially stagnated without international support.

The only one that is a "westaboo" and more or less went for English almost exclusively from the get-go is Ollie and she got upset that people kept pestering her to speak Indo when she had an audience that was largely addressing her in English. She didn't even shit up on Indonesians that time either; she wanted your dumb ass to stop demanding her to speak ID to people talking to her in English. And you could have solved that quite simply by constantly talking to her in Bahasa and if she'd notice the abundance of it, she'd probably indulge you without complaint. But you chose to crab and got crabbed back at in retaliation. That's literally taking an L for free.

>>27644873
bae and kiara have similar debuffs

>>27644989
No they don't. Anyway I leave you with your retarded "I have declared that if x stream beats Y then z is dead" statement, I dunno why I bothered replying to a retard's post.

>>27644714
I thought it should be 3 arrows?

>>27644835
24,640

>>27642568
Daily streaming is a debuff.
There, I said it. It's only good to appeal to autists like yourself who think there's a mechanical way to get numbers. When the real way is to ignore every single thing you said and focus entirely on brand power, on being known for one single thing and taking every chance to reinforce that thing. Whether it's the funny shark or the fake ojou or the cock sucker or the kusogaki, quadruple down on that and forget /#/ memes like "streaming" or "technical issues" except to the extent that ignoring them prevents you from reinforcing your brand.

>>27645149
its getting closer and closer, about to hit 21k. say your prayers when kronii comes back

>>27644845
except they didn't? they started when the stream was scheduled

Didn't poptarts stream starts at 2am EST?

>>27645409
Yes.

>>27643129
> we win period
the lion and the audacity of this bitch.
is it me or some fools literally forget the existence of Niji ID, hey anon where were you when Niji ID goes full pandering on ID market. you only care about Holo ID right now because some e-celeb told you too

>>27645286
its only getting it if someone else joins

>>27645221
>Daily streaming is a debuff
That explains Pekora's consistent number.

Ya'll really gonna roll with this Poptart angle? Sometimes I wonder about you.

>>27645485
It'd be fine too if it wasn't literally
>see we were humbly all waiting for anyone, ANYONE to speak Indonesian :(
Then you confront them with the others doing that and they're like "w-well they didn't know our advanced zoomer memes". I suppose Kaela isn't speaking ID either?

A market is a market. It waits for successes, not for failures. If you can only produce the latter it is your fault, not the market's. They know what they want even if no one is providing it.

>>27645872
Wow how deep bro. Maybe yagoo should have just paid Windah for a shoutout years ago, but he's a market recognizing failure.

>>27645944
That reminds me, Windah was in Kiara's chat during the totsu.

This is at 2.5 mil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_4U4zDuKsA

>>27645221

>>27639016
who?

>>27645872
Preach. The Vtuber market is not yet saturated. The key is to find the empty market, have luck, and then work it.

>>27645221
>Daily streaming is a debuff.
I stopped reading here to call you a retard for even bringing this up when no one did. But then I thought you had a point to make and kept reading... only to realize that you are indeed a retard for thinking that stuff like not being on time or making the watching experience a smooth one wouldn't negatively impact your audience reach significantly.

Humans are creatures of habit, and the more you reinforce said habits, the more likely they are to maintain them on autopilot. So streaming at the time, on time and without issues is the difference between "bearable" and "must watch".

>>27644389
Lamy invited her

>proud jap manjisanji member reduced to leechin "English" nijis
oof look at all those english streams

>>27646012
He vibes with Sparks

EN's number is so good these days bros...It's all buff content yes but still good.

>>27638257
Good morning colonialbros

>>27645490
here comes kronii and immediately hits 22k during intermission

>>27646126
Ame taught me so badly that I am always late for Fauna streams because Fauna starts on time. I hate it.

>>27646226
>It's all buff content yes but still good.
Well duh. JP gets good numbers because they do buff content too. The difference I'd say is that JP has a lot of fucking buff content. Jap love ranges from retro games, zatsus, cooking streams to gacha etc. EN audiences are incredibly picky about what's "buff" to them, to the point where I can't identify anything but Minecraft, Horror and Karaoke as steady buffs.

>>27646044
Kek thanks for that, I'll use it to shitpost on ENsharts when time will come.

>>27644748
kneel

Was hovering between 20~21k for most of it. Now it's increased to 23k after Kronii was mentioned. See, Mori is a void of personality that they'd rather have Kronii instead.

>>27646437
Nice english. You "speak" japanese like that too?

26K

they z'd

wtf is LA traffic really bad even at 7pm?

>>27646488
What? Why did you edit that anon? It's gonna get to 24k+ anyway.

>>27645668
ignored the fools, these people behave the same way as these seasonal cyclist who take on the bike simply because a celeb told them to do that, bitch where were you before that

>>27645485
NijiID is boring anon, their liver is just not a good streamer and also talentless. they also gatekeep and filtered out every newfags
>>27645944
not working for other members

>>27646590
It did get that, but it's down from the peak, it's a z

youtube is so trash..

>>27646226
I mean lets be real, anytime you see big JP streams it’s always buff content. Just look at Pekora’s streams ever since she came back:
>Multiple Minecrafts
>Multiple cooking streams
>Pekomoon
>PekoLapu marshmallow
>Granblue
>Holocure
>Soon to be gambling with Noel
Most of which happening right after an event. The one time she didn’t do buff content was is simon there, and that got 22k

>>27646590
cope its real

>>27646642
Ah. Fucking Zs lol. How do they consistently happen to Bae? Is it channel bound? Because she's not streaming form her usual setup, but from fucking NA.

>>27635726
this is the problem of being a one-trick pony hence the reason why top twitch streamers rotate their games frequently.

Taiwan should apologize to Aqua

>>27645221
>Daily streaming is a debuff.

>how to kill the numbers
is bae legit retarded

>>27646550
By most metrics it has the worst traffic in the world.
>Shart mart design + bad drivers + overpopulation + terrible public transit relative to population

>>27646427
>EN audiences
Twitch audience. Stop streaming like a twitch facecammer and build your own buffs.

>>27646642
More like acne.

>>27646780
People are alt+tabbed, anon. They should've just used PNGs and called it a day.

>>27646780
kronii needs time to setup her avatar

>>27646727
Mori Asian fans probably. Go look at Mori’s Holocure, she Z’d like 3 or 4 times in the stream. This was definitely one of the bigger EN Z’s that we’ve seen though

>>27645221
you may legitimately be retarded
seek help, take meds, do whatever, just don't sperg out here

>>27646488
Myth Unity is truly dead isn't it? It was all just Gura that people wanted. Myth is so awkward with each other...Now if this reaches anywhere near the arm wrestling stream...on a bae channel...

>>27646811
Funny thing is LA was pretty much specifically designed for cars and still failed utterly.

>>27646829
Anon, it went lower than the previous peak, typical z behavior

>>27646629
> repeatable pitiful excuse of them being boring
yeah you just a bag of fart wind, admit it fools you supporting them now because some e-celeb told you to

>Holo dominates
>Q-quick initiate the JP vs EN loop
Sigh. Do i need to remind (You) retards everytime!?

This Council vs Myth shitposting is hilarious.

>>27637893
Nobody reported this Niji ban evader yet?

>>27641704
>If only there is a big enough company with 50s or so employees with a big market and the flexibility to allow for meme review exist.
The thing is, anon, that flexibility was gone after the China arc

>>27647053
Ty bot

>>27646993
>specifically designed for cars
the US way of designing for cars is just adding more lanes. which only adds more traffic

>>27646993
Cars are just absolutely retarded from an efficiency stand point unless standardized to be tiny go-karts or kept to a reasonably small population density.

>>27647053
Or you're just a retard samefagging these exact same posts.

>>27647053
>Q-quick initiate the JP vs EN loop
Not even. They're trying a fucking Myth vs Council loop.

why didn't kiara get a Z?

>>27646989
Turns out it's hard to be unified when everyone in the collab knows that Gura is bringing in half the audience. Jealousy compounds and turns into one-upping each other rather than riffing
Council has relatively similar sub counts (except for Sana) to one another so they're much more lax. They don't give a shit, or if they do, they're much better at handling it on stream

>>27647243
Austrians aren't about that life anymore anon..

>>27647279
meds

Riku is gonna hire a singer anyway for Salome since she can't sing for numbers

>>27647041
You're cute, of course it's a Z
*that looks like an acne

>>27647243
EN arent allowed zd's, only JP adjacent are allowed them

>>27647119
>>27647160
The problem with American urban design (especially outside of the east coast) is that you only have cities with incredibly dense urban centers surrounded by incredibly sprawling low density housing (especially of the single-family variety). There's little to no middle density housing in the US whatsoever in most cities (especially, again, out of the east coast).

>>27647045
>completely ignoring the core problem of nijiID
yeah, that's why nijiID branch will and always be a failure branch, keep doing that

>>27647053
yes

nijien......

>>27647512
Burgers love their 100 floor high rises but cower at the sight of a 7 story apartment block. Doesn't make sense, really.

>>27642761
Pippa is the realest vtuber out there. Her criticisms on Vshojo is warranted.

>>27647045
Fuck off, NijiID gets shilled by some fucking normietubers and it didn't even help them one bit. NijiID is just boring as fuck.
https://youtu.be/2UTwzLCQ4g0

>>27648088
fungus and finana are cancer

>>27648088
isn't 5k a good number for uki

>>27648495
That looks more like nip skits, right?

>>27646427
>EN audiences are incredibly picky about what's "buff" to them, to the point where I can't identify anything but Minecraft, Horror and Karaoke as steady buffs.

You know what's "buff" for EN anon
Fucking reaction and drama/politic shits
Just check Twitch and lsf

>>27648171
It does make sense when you think about it. The most important thing about a property owner is the value of their property rising, so anything that they perceive to negatively impact the price of their property will be resoundingly rejected. Unfortunately for the lower masses, this also means that everything becomes more cumbersome and time consuming. Even more unfortunate to that is that the government can't do anything about it either because they would either have to buy land and develop it with urban planning in mind or fight people who have some of the most well protected property rights in the world to achieve anything.

>>27648495
The problem with NijiID is that tbeir best talent isn't even an Indonesian.

>>27648629
Well I was talking about achievable corporate vtubing content. There's no doubt in mind mind "Gawr Gura live reacts to Amber Head Vs Johnny Depp trial" would be a buff stream.

>>27648495
Blame hana that bitch!

>>27648902
It would be buff content and it would be terrible for hololive, people would get attracted by the numbers and normies would start to shit on "Anime girls doing politics" all over the place. Kind of like when Mori did a few cringe tweet, but in a much bigger scale.

>>27648744
NijiID problem is catering to the small Indonesian weeb community at the start instead of the normalfag zoomer which fills Kobo's demographic at the start.

>>27648744
nah they just don't watch vtuber prior Holo ID gen 3, before gen 3 any people that watch vtuber is meet with disgust and alienation, which is why I said they're excuse is just full of fart

>>27649100
Well, if we talking about a pure /#/ perspective, getting THE biggest buff should always take priority
Which is why I even think about that in the first place

>>27649226
so now they are watching vtuber?

>>27646427
>EN audiences are incredibly picky about what's "buff" to them, to the point where I can't identify anything but Minecraft, Horror and Karaoke as steady buffs.
En audiences aren't "picky" but they are from so many different countries with so many different tastes that trying to compare them to one extremely homogenous market like Japan, is fools errand.

so this was just an excuse or mori to promote stuff?

>>27649364
indonesian people is literally trend follower if some e-celeb told them to do something they'll follow it blindly, food they eat even a freaking hobby in this case a vtuber

>>27649515
Yeah. Mori is trying to make Council accesories to her will.

>>27640569
That's because mori keeps fucking dying

>>27649515
>>27649694
I mean what's the purpose of Council exactly since all out of are mostly lazy anyway

>>27649515
I don't know, but if we get "girls are cutest when they're almost retarded" for about 66 minutes as an excuse to shill an EP, I think I'd find it acceptable if they did it more often.

>>27649796
Not fast enough. She was the seventh wheel in five person MYTH collab. I can't even imagine what her Council shitshow was like.

>>27649684
huh interesting that they only watch Holo and not the other

>>27649684
stop it, you keep ignoring the reasons why these people really despise vtuber