/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>27571951
I hope it's what she's looking for. Fuck all this tribalfagging, I want Kson and Mike to be happy.

>>27571951
>how do you think VShojo compares to other corpos?
>Kson: Just clarifying that VShojo is NOT a company
Guess you already got your answer

>>27571951
>Souchou is still an individual VTuber.
You can't be an indie if you're officially under the umbrella of a company

>>27572368
>Kson: Just clarifying that VShojo is NOT a company

VShojo is a VTuber company based in the United States. Wikipedia

Founded: November 24, 2020

Headquarters: San Francisco, California, United States

>>27571951
>Kson: I hope that one day, we will not longer have the independent/corporation distinction.
>Kson: We'll just all be VTubers working toward our own goals, having the support we need.
What the fuck is that even supposed to mean, aside from lip service? Is she retarded or is she saying corps shouldn't exist?

>>27572382
>>27572452
Yeah but she not own by the company which in context makes her an Indies

>>27571951
>Kson: Just clarifying that VShojo is NOT a company.
Shut the hell up Kson.

>>27572583
Read it slowly. Don't rush.

It literally is a company, they just don't act like one lol. It's no doubt the superior business model in the lawless west where Twitch doesn't even care if people stream copyrighted shows/movies to 100k viewers.

But Japs will never be able to go with that business model so Holo's restrictive autism is better there to avoid yabs

>>27571951
Anon, that was a shilling stream. Get over it, even if she was saying the truth, she exaggerated the good things like the CEO writing a Discord clone in 5 min.
She's not going to be really honest about her new job. Good for her tho and Mike.

>>27572452
So she either lied or got scammed into joining a corpo?

Vshojo saying they are not a company is a super malicious lie. Imagine people being so dumb that they think this is good

>>27572691
>CEO writing a Discord clone
He of the founder of Twitch. I bet that you can't even use technology properly.

>>27572611
Character IP rights.That is part of contract details.
CONTRACT
Definitely not indie.

>>27572740
either
1) Doesn't truly understand the meaning of indie
or
2) Purposely try to twist the narrative

>>27572452
It is obviously a company. I guess she mean, it is not an agency?

>>27571951
I love Kson and while I may not follow her on this leg of her journey I will be cheering for her success in spirit
This, however, is a massive fucking cope on her part
VShitshow IS a company; it's NOT a talent production agency
They don't own their talents' IP, but that doesn't mean they don't get up to all the other types of corporate dickery that's convenient at any given moment.

>>27572948
She meant she has her character IP rights. I think.

>>27572865
But kson didn't sign any contracts.

>>27572830
Easy bud, don't roll your sleeves just yet, you wouldn't like to look like you're knighting this early.

Not a company in the sense of the chuuba world, where companies own the likenesses and IP and you sign a contract and have to attend meetings and so on.
It is a company in the legal sense, where it is an incorporated entity that is domiciled, and which therefore allows it to sue and be sued.
Is that really so hard to understand?

>>27573028
LMAO. Just verbal agreement?
Thanks funny anon

>>27572676
Okay, so she's retarded then.
Or she dreams of a world were people don't say you belong in a corp when you do. Seems she's already in it though, seeing as she's saying a LITERAL CORP is not a Corp.

She can pretend she's still indie all she wants, doesn't make her so.
Just like the troons.

are you all actually retarded or just pretending?
she obviously meant they're not a vtuber company in the sense of hololive / nijisanji who own the vtubers' IP and control the content of the streams
of fucking course she knows they're a literal company, she even kept talking about the CEO in that very stream

>>27573077
Lol pretty much what kson said.

>>27573077
For the non-legally illiterate, verbal agreements are also contracts, and are also binding. They're just harder to prove on principle.

>>27573192
yea true all company and business rely on verbal agreement, thanks another funny anon lol

>>27573114
Don't care, I just want her to suffer. Women are meant to stay under the heel of men, otherwise they descend into maximum whoredom.

>>27573114
This.

>>27573267
Incel.

>>27573114
She's trying to spin the narrative.
She could simply talk about character IP rights without mentioning its not a company.

>>27572452
Stop lying anon.
Why would Kson lied to me?
Vshojo is NOT company.

>>27571951
And where does becoming Connur's sex slave figure into that, kson?

>>27573359
She did talk and explain both of that point.

>>27573255
What it means, retard, is that not signing a contract doesn't mean you have no obligations. In fact contracts and contract law are usually largely on the contracted party's favor, not signing one is pretty fucking retarded most of the time, other than for avoiding taxes.

>>27573359
she talked about character IP rights when she clarified that she owned her own character, and again, talking about the fucking chief operating officer multiple times clearly implies that they're a company to anyone with a quarter of a brain (which apparently excludes /vt/ autists hellbent on misinterpreting everything she says to paint her / her agency in the worst possible light)

>>27571951
She was just trying to explain in a way the Japs would understand. They don't understand how could someone be with a company and not be restricted.

Oh wow she is extremely deluded and naive. Kinda explains why Cover Management was going crazy on her ass.

>>27573489
>misinterpreting everything she says to paint her / her agency in the worst possible light
OK now explain Connur
explain the Hime earthquake joke
explain Nyanners
explain all the whoring out

That's the problem. This is what kson is propping up as "the best of all worlds"

>>27573588
She quitted Hololive coz Cover banned her Chaturbate idea.

vshojo is the American version of upd8, except they did not retardedly take on dozens of dozens of talents who wouldn't be good for promotional deals and vshojo actually sells merch and shit.

>>27573588
She's letting her saviorfag tendencies get the better of her, and unfortunately leading her, mike and whoever she drags with her to Connur's dick

>>27573654
Who cares? They're whores, end of story.

>>27573599
what the fuck do any of those things have to do with vshojo being a company nigger

>>27573659
Kson's a saviorfag but also a twitch whore. But at least she is a saviorfag, you rarely see this quality in twitch whores.

Kson is a titty streamer but I think she is not a nasty person like Vshojos. I wish Kson has joined other corpos.

>>27571951
I thought a corpo meant that you pay a certain cut of your revenue to the org and they provide stuff like management/events/merch/connections
Sure IP ownership is usually part of the equation but I wouldn't call it the one defining line between corpo and indie.

>>27573751
what the fuck does that any of those things have to do with them being whores, cuck?
you deserve to have your skin ripped off

>>27573821
This. Kson trying to talk nonsense especially to layman audience is not nice. Indie should feel insulted as hell.

>>27573599
That's sound more of the chuuba's problem than a Vshojo's problem.

>>27573599
Talent are allowed to do and say whatever the fuck they want. Its on them, not the company. So if they want to say some dumb shit? they are free to. they are unfiltered for better or worse. Talent. Freedom. Its not complicated.

>>27573802
Niji is just as bad, and infested with chinkoids
The other literal who corpos are just miniature hololives (see: VOMS killing magnet for refusing to be groomed by the bird), there's nothing good to be gained from them. She should have kept her head down in holo or stayed fully independent.

>>27573941
Both you and that anon is correct. It's Kson's problems. At the same Vshojo also has Kson's problems.

>>27573824
Hololive and Nijisanji chuuba's are whore too they literally entertainment and seduce their viewers so what's your point?

>>27573941
A company is its talents. If they are not kept under control, the infection spreads.
>>27573961
>Talent are allowed to do and say whatever the fuck they want
"Woman's freedoms" are a blight on society. They either obey, or die.

>>27574051
So we bringing mutt's politics to this thread now huh?

>>27573962
The more I think about it, freedom is super bad for vtuber agency. Only more yabs.

I do agree chuuba should be allowed to buy back their character IP (or some sort of clause that forbids chuuba to fuck up and flee scot-free, and be a dickhead with the character outside the corp.

Holo EN died during the off-collab.
>Every single stream was scuffed garbage
>Spend three days working on Kiara's project instead of streaming
>Calli endangers Gura, hangs out with Myth for 1 day and fucks off to do RM stuff
>Gura doesn't even try to disguise her contempt for Kiara now.
Do vshojos have to pretend to like each other? This whole corpo fake friendship thing is disgusting. I'm going full indie

She clearly doesn’t mean the Vshojo is isn’t a legal company but that it works more like a union where vtubers pay a percent of their earnings to gain access to a central source of tech, legal, and other support like a company might have. But vshojo doesn’t set boundaries to their work or try to restrict them in any way. It’s more like a partnership between two entities rather than a classic boss-salaried employee relationship.

I don’t know if vshojo in reality acts like that but it’s how they’re suppose to. And that system really makes a ton of sense not just for chuubas but any independent content creators. Paying a fraction of your earnings to have someone else take over all the non-content making part of your job just sounds like intelligent division of labor. If you can afford it and the company is competent and sticks to their word, why not?

>>27574221
>Didn't dare to bring up Nijisanji EN's horrible off-collab.
Pfft.

>>27574221
Nigger, keep with the times

>>27573821
>Sure IP ownership is usually part of the equation but I wouldn't call it the one defining line between corpo and indie.
Exactly. She's company-affiliated; not an indie. She has the freedom of an indie, yes, but she and the other whores are still company-affiliated. They're not indies anymore and Kson is retarded.

WHEN A VTUBER SAYS SHE LOVES YOU
DO YOU REALLY
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT?

>>27574372
I wish i didn't, Artia... I wish i didn't

>>27574372
H-Hana Macchia is that you?!

>>27574298
That's what she was trying to explain to Nips. It's a country where most jobs forbid you from getting a second job and they're fine with it. Imagine them trying to understand VShojo.

>>27574221
Source on Gura hating Kiara? Source for any of this?

>>27571951
It's an all out war against corporations

>>27574344
>They're not indies anymore and Kson is retarded.
I hope Kson is simply retarded. If Kson intentionally pushed a false narrative, I am super disappointed in her.

>>27574496
Hololive is a big family. So hatred is only voices in head.

Source: common sense

>>27574298
cope

>>27574298
that's not what a union is
you're probably thinking of a co-op but the issue is there is a boss and it's gunrun

>>27574621
HAHAHAHA LOOK HE USING THE OVERUSED VT SLANG NEXT HE GONNA USE SEETHE THEN DILATE.

>>27574496
Gura herself told me after she raped me in my dreams

>>27574221
>Do vshojos have to pretend to like each other?
They barely interact with each other and stick to their boyfriends

Kson is better PR than anyone else in vslutjo

>>27574434
>Japan has no freelancer.
>Japan employment contracts are standardized and cannot have different clause. It is totally unheard of in Japan
>Please understand Kson

>t. Tatsunoko.

>>27574298
They don't pay Vshojo a percentage of their earnings. Vshojo gets its cut through merch and sponsorship deals. They don't touch donations or any other source of income.

>>27574889
This is true though. Every ex-holo ace is at least good at something

>>27571951
She sure has ambitions

>>27574980
>Vshojo gets its cut through merch and sponsorship deals.
Wow Gunrun mustve made like $200 so far.

>>27574980
>Indie
- not under any company name/umbrella
- has no contract with company (except sponsors, if they get one)

>Non-indie
- under any company name/umbrella
- has no contract with company (CONTRACT DETAILS DON'T MATTER)

>100th thread about EOPs dumbfounded that "company" has very specific connotations in Japan

>>27575095
You be surprised how much a company can earn via mech and sponsorship. Take a good at Nijisanji's Financial report.

>>27575159
Was she speaking in Japanese, nigger?

>Vshojo
>Not a company
Is this true?

>>27575255
Yes.

>>27575277
This. Some tatsunokos are delusional.

>>27575277
Refer to this. >>27574298 >>27575159

>>27575255
Really nigger?

>>27574980
So if Souchou decided to just stream and do no merch at all, they'd get nothing?
Fitting that she said they met when she was finding a venue for her merch then.

>>27571951
How can vshojo operate as a business and not have income? If they don't get money from the girls then how can they afford to hire bodyguards?

>>27575493
Refer to this >>27574980
Typical catelog tourist.

>>27575491
I found what Kson said is kinda absurd. She obviously has an agenda.

>>27571951
Vshojo aren't doing this out of pure goodwill. They don't just support any talent that wants in. Also what about the money? They must be getting something out of this to be able to hire bodyguards and get their talent into conventions and stuff. And what about the supposed legal help?

Attention EOPs:

In Japan, vtuber in a company = your IP, avatar, name, channels, social media, everything is owned by the company. The soul behind the vtuber is just an employee. If they stop working for the company for whatever reason, everything is gone.

Kson explained to her Japanese audience that Vshojo doesn't work like that, she retains ownership of all of her stuff, Vshojo doesn't own her channels, all her money goes straight to her, etc.

To simplify this for retards she said that she is basically an indie, and not in a company. Because in terms of the Japanese scene, she is an indie, and has none of the connotations that come with being in a company.

>b-b-b-but technically it is a company!
Nobody cares.

>Vshojo offers me protection and even hired me a bodyguard.
Sounds like Thegunrun is a pimp

>>27575493
No bodyguard at expo though

>>27571951
>VShojo is not a company
>VShojo does not limit you
>There are no cons to being in VShojo
jesus christ what kind of brainwashing did they do to her

>>27574794
Cope is not a term exclusive to /vt/, nor 4chan, nor most internet circles

Jesus christ how new are you

>>27575726
With actual facts?
>So what kind of brainwashing did they do to anons?
Rrats and schizo

>>27575681
you seem to be seething perhaps meds?

>>27575491
VShojo can now, at anytime they feel like, release merch with Kson's image, and VShojo branding.

>>27575674
>Vshojo aren't doing this out of pure goodwill.
Of course. If anything, Vshitshow has to be a more malicious company than Hololive. The only good thing is character IP rights and more cut (maybe, I don't believe shitty Vshojo with how they dealt with Nux).

>>27575770
I say slang.

>>27571951
Personally anytime anyone says theres no con to their new job they're either ignorant or lying.

>>27575818
and keep 100% of this money. But if she wants to make HER own mech they get a cut from it.

>>27575840
>more rights and more money
>however it's more malicious
How does the maliciousness manifest itself, anon?

>>27575892
THIS.
This person comes from real world.

>>27575866
I used "Term" was used interchangeably for slang. Doesn't take away from what I wanted to say.

Watching the vshojocucks seething and coping over their whoreslut lying about the whole thing is hilarious.

In the end Hololive wins again.

>>27575921
hime hajime dont stream for about 6 months and nothing happened to her. They even featured her on AX

So all drama excluded can someone recap for me what she's going to do from now on and when will she start to stream with totally-not-r*shia?

>>27575719
Thanks for the intel. That'll come in handy soon.

reminder they hired a bodyguard because they are afraid of us
we... are strong.
yujiro hanma? all me.

>>27574980
Oh so they are a company then? lmao
You niggers seem to be jumping through way too many hoops to explain this nonsense.

>>27575903
Cmon....Vshojo is trying to break into the JP scene. They will definitely get more in return. Talent freedom and not company(retard by the way) is just gimmick.

Don't be so naive. You expect the company to be decent if the Vshojos are super shitty?

Gunrun is a POS and eSports are the absolute peak of taking advantage of talent
You'll learn

>>27575893
No. It's already explained on the Q&A.
Anything mech you brought from https://storejp.vshojo.com/ the money goes to Vshojo. While mech that is sold on geekjack or booth the money goes to the talent.

>>27576076
>how is it shitty? well... it just is, ok?
Please make a point

>>27573192
I too watch Rekieta Law anon

Are we really getting into autsitic fits about the semantics of what a "company" entails? I feel like she just used her own definition and didn't really care the accuracy.

So basically Kson and the other Vhojos are freelancers. That's true freedom.

>>27576133
Refer to this >>27575681

>>27575810

>>27575623
So I assume that Vshojo gets all profits from merch/sponsorships? Otherwise I don't see how they can operate. Do girls in other agencies get any money from merch/sponsorships?

>>27576125
>Please discuss something vt agreed upon, for the nth time again, please

This NotVtuber is dumb.

>>27576133
SHUT UP AND STOP MAKING SENSE!!! DONT YOU UNDERSTAND WE ARE ADULT CHILDREN TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT PRETEND CARTOON WOMEN HERE!?!??!?!

>>27576193
She mentioned that there will be a split.

>>27576089
and seeing that ironmouse,nyanners and vei mech sold out on the first day its easy to assume they are making a lot of money.

>>27576133
I am waiting for the catalog to spergout when they find out that Kson says that streaming is just her hobby rather than a job.

We lost her. Coco died twice: once when she graduated, and once when she broke her promise.

>>27575999
>Sana
>Ayame
This doesn't mean theres no con at a job, EVERY job has a con anon there is no such thing as a perfect job. There could be cons you're okay with, but cons nonetheless, for your sake I hope you never accept anyone offering/describing a job to you and trying to say theres no downsides to it.

>>27576203
Oh, you should have just said the retards on the Nepali chimneysweep message board came to a consensus, that explains everything

>>27573066
So it is a company?

>>27576337
>I am smart and correct, 999999 other people are dumb and wrong

Does she have to sign a contract. Is there a NDA. Yes and yes the bitch sold her soul

>>27576290
Secretly she just a hikkimori otaku onee-san?!

>>27576408
Yes.

>>27576294
They told you meds >>>27528315

>>27576422
No. But she can sign my dick.

>>27573192
Don't remember who said this but:
>A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on.

>>27576384
Yes Vshojo is a company so in the strictest sense they are not indies if they're under a corporate banner.

>>27571951
Really depends on the extent of the help they provide. Could be a total scam, could be a fair deal. But overall, I think they are cancer, and no, not because of fucking whores under their umbrella. Their business model reminds me of Uber and other "gig economy" trash businesses: don't invest into anything their employees need to do the job, provide absolute bare minimum of a service, collect disproportionate amount of taxes. Capitalism, ho!

>>27576512
Refer to this. >>27575681

>>27576554
You mean Hololive in 2018- 2019?

>>27572815
>Vshojo saying they are not a company is a super malicious lie. Imagine people being so dumb that they think this is good

THIS. Some people on vt seemed really fooled by it though.
Also, if Vshojo really takes in Rushia, it is A SUPER BLACK company. Nasty to the core.

The Nux debacle and the "we didn't give him permission, ok maybe we did but we were just trying to be nice it's not our fault" makes me think that Vshojo management is just like a few dudes in their basement making things up as they go.

>>27576641
I miss erolive, holosummers and random collabs with other chuuba.

>>27576384
No and yes
TLDR

Vshoujo is Vtuber support provider company and Kson is indie who buy their's support.

Easy?

I think that regardless of how she worded it this means Vshojo is more like football clubs where they can sign players under their umbrella for a time.
In contrast to Holo/Niji who are like disney and own the IP so in theory they could fire the actress but keep the character.

Holo:
>A company asset with costume, script and deadlines

Vshojo:
>An indie with tech support

It's not rocket surgery.

>>27576625
An indie is a strict definition of not being under a corporate umbrella. Nothing else matters. They could pay her money and she still wouldn't be indie.

>Kson explaining how Vshojo is not a company despite it being a legal entity representing an association of people with a specific objective

>>27576711
Vshojo is one nasty group. Kson deserves better.
Rushia can join Vshojo though.

>>27576554
>hololive

>>27576711
Nah, they prolly do the whole proper corpo thing...but they are still in the basement in their hearts lol.

>>27572452
>>27572250
You retards don't get it. She means it's not a company in the sense that they aren't under marching orders 24/7 like Hololive, they're just free to do what they want. Of course it's a legal entity.

>>27576681
>if Vshojo really takes in Rushia, it is A SUPER BLACK company. Nasty to the core.
That's not the narrative. Rushia was treated "poorly" by incels fans for destroying her career just because she was talking with a male and Cover is a coward for "firing", not even graduate, her for it. Anyone taking her in is not nasty but righteous because she "deserves" better than everything.

>>27576774
>My autistic English definition matters over her Japanese explanation
No it does not, actually.

>>27576774
Not in the Japan's Vtuber industry.
Refer to this >>27575681

>>27576747
> Vshoujo is Hololive Erolive era.
> Golden age of Hololive
> management is almost non- existance.
> Talents can do everything they want
> Manager are " assistant " not " supervisior"

>>27576847
>>27576847
>>27576847
LMAO~~~~

>>27575681
>>27576183
>>27576625
>>27576874
This reeks of Reddit. Go back.

>>27576790
> What if Kson join because she is Mikeneko's friend?

>>27571951
They try to cancel people sometimes?
Their content is 50% reaction content or more?
Some of their members need to fuck off to being e-thots facestreamers and let vtubing in peace?
The whoever who does their promotional art sucks comparatively?
Twitch culture is so fucking shit its unbeliable?
Is Kson full of PRspeak right now so much she can't even believe it?

>> I hope that one day, we will not longer have the independent/corporation distinction.
For fucks sake Kson, if there is a lot of money involved there is going to be a distinction as companies willing to put money on the line will try to reap gains and their economic capacity will generally surpass that of willing vtubing loaded people. Also, suck ass vtubers that are forever 2-views will exist even after this hobby dies.

>>27571951
> Kson: So I am NOT now part of a company.
> Kson: Just clarifying that VShojo is NOT a company.
> Pros: Tech support, safety, legal support
> Kson: They hired me a bodyguard.
Ah, yes. So they are fucking charity aren't they?

>>27576874
You can keep shilling your message but it doesn't change anything. KSON is under the Vhsojo umbrella. "Acting like an indie" means you're not an indie by definition.

>>27576089
So... She "lease" her IP to Vshojo for their "support". Am I getting this?

>>27576953
You reeks of neet, go back to your mom's basement.

>>27576876
> Vshoujo is Hololive Erolive era.

I am not even sure if NijiEN is slutty enough to compete with Vshojo. Let alone Erolive

>>27577012
Pretty much the short answer

>>27576972
OMG
That sounds very real. Please no Kson. Rushia and Vshojo are super nasty.

Well, lets hope Kson can have fun and Vshojo has less shitstorms. I wonder if the new Vshojo will be worse than the past?

>>27577026
How is that an insult? Oh wait, you're one of the ironic weebs who got into vtubers because of Trash Taste and VShojo and doesn't really care about the hobby because you're just in it to socialize and find "friends." For the last motherfucking time, go back.

>>27576990
But she still an indie.

>>27576982
LMAO. Kson went full retard.

>>27576977
THIS. This anon spoke the truth.

>>27577225
>Reeeeeeee go back
Do I give a shit? No not really.

>>27576977
>>27577290
The same pair of hands typed both these posts

>>27577225
Anon, take it from an oldfag. The hobby is gone and will never go back. Once it's degraded it's permanent, I've seen it numerous times now.

>>27576990
This.
And this >>27575157

>>27577334
Fuck no. I don't want his hands.

>>27577334
>Tatsunoko logic: every agreement is samefagging, coz Kson told me so

>>27577326
You will never find acceptance.
You will never fit in society.
You will never have worth.
You will never be a woman.
Die a painful, self-inflicted death then burn in hell for all eternity, you abomination.

seems like everything she was saying was a cope to try and spin around the fact she said she wouldn't join another corpo. Sounds like a good deal though

>>27576127
>Rekieta Law

>>27576982
Shit, They did for Kson more than Hololive did for her

They hired bodyguard!

>>27577340
Once things changed, threre's no going back. This is the way of mortals. Unless you are one in a million.

>>27577491
Hololive had ninjas following her for security but she never was told and never noticed because they where effective ninjas.

>>27577049
> Choco
> Mel
> Marine
> Noel

Yes , they are

>>27576977
>cancel people sometimes
The sometimes are the niggas who ripped the streams and upload it to YouTube with no editing at all.
>This suppose to be fair use right?
No mutt's, it doesn't work that way. Even Cover does that everytime and no one complaining because no one can talk shit about Hololive

>>27576641
>>27576798
>Hololive
>provided model
>provided software
>provided hardware
>provides merchandise to sell
>funds some of your projects like cover songs or even originals if you're Sora/AZKi
>you just show up to a workplace where all the tools are provided and do the actual thing you are hired for
meanwhile
>VWhoreshow
>provides nothing
>only accepts already established whores so they don't have to invest into or help with anything at all
>still collects taxes
Yeah, exactly an example of a modern cancerous gig economy business.

>>27577541
What are these weakass examples?
Queen /b/omu laughes at them.

>>27577566
4 days of rent free seething

so what game permissions?

>>27577555
I was thinking of other happenings. Something something dox something something damage control by cancel.

>>27577566
Nice way to take out words and put in your shit post narrative, good effort anon.

>>27577541
anon there are high class escorts and their are $5 dollar meth head hookers. Guess which is which

>>27577621
Same. Permission to stream.

>>27577491
They don't need bodyguards in Holo, roommates aren't public figures walking around in conventions, and they would only attract attention.

Why couldn't they have taken Mori instead? She belongs there.

>>27575681
Looks like a desperate attempt at mental gymnastics to try to make it seem like she's still an indie, which she's not. VShojo is a company. An American company no less, not a Japanese one. Just because they are getting a JP branch doesn't make her an indie. Trying to use that kind of loophole doesn't work here. She's under VShojo's umbrella and as such is company-affiliated and no longer an indie no matter what she says.

>>27577754
Also Towa, Matsuri, Ollie please

>>27575681
this is some serious denial going on here

>>27572583
She just want some form of guild/union system for vtubers without needing a corpo

>>27577754
She bind herself with those records contracts she ain't going nowhere.

>>27577427
you talked to your therapist about projection lately? alternatively you can cry about it

>>27577754
She's slowing realizing that she was in the wrong crowd. She's happy in Hololive.

people already knew this even the normalfags, I don't know why the anon's here act like outraged newfags.
vshojo at the end of the day is just a bunch of indis lumped together under one name.
if vshojo implodes tomorrow the talents will not be affected.

Its completely clear to anyone that is capable of reading comprehension what she actually means. She explained at length why she thinks that Vshoujo is not a vtuber company in the usual sense.
I find it funny that how so many come here to repeat the literal definition of company like some sort of "gotcha" moment. What I do "get" it's that some of you are actually retarded.

>>27577764
>Looks like a desperate attempt at mental gymnastics
Mental gymnastics are cool and/or funny. But what that anon said was quite dumb (or not convincing). I wonder if that was actually an attempt to further defame Kson or Tatsunokos.

>>27577602
>>27577659
nice arguments, glad to see you have nothing to provide

Saying vshoujo is not a company is premium asacoco brand copium for her terminal fans.
She joined vshoujo for their contacts, tech support, and audience then placated her mostly Japanese fanbase with lies. Being the first vtuber on the moon is elon musk tier memery, and just like musk kson also follows a pattern of overpromising and underdelivering.

>>27577837
This. That Tatsunoko is beyond help.
Oshi can ACTUALLY do things you hate, if you can't realize that, you are blinded by love.

itt retards that don't know the difference between 企業 and 会社

>>27577910
> is not a vtuber company in the usual sense
she is coping mega hard but reality can only stretch so far

>>27577903
you guys can keep her TBF.

>>27577955
Refer to this >>27574298

>>27577903
its been 2 years, she hasn't realised shit

>>27576756
I think I get it, vshojo is a company but their vtubers work WITH them instead of FOR them, either way they're not indie.

>>27577952
>Mental gymnastics are cool and/or funny
where you dropped on your head anon?

>>27577841
Not possible. Vtubers stream. and they need someone to take care of non-streaming tasks. This someone has to be a company.

>>27578034
Refer to this catelog tourist. >>27574298

>>27577182
> What if Kson know so she join for support Mikeneko in Vshoujo?

Nijisanji and hololive collabs aren’t blaclisted either so tribalfags keep taking l’s

>>27577903
I seriously want to know if Kson has regretted.

>>27577983
>Saying vshoujo is not a company is premium asacoco brand copium for her terminal fans.
Fact and nice burn.

>>27578008
not really, if you know Japanese you can go look at the comments on this, the Japanese were shocked that something like this could exist.

>>27578260
Tourist Kun refer to this onegai >>27574298

>>27578119
Can you easily come up with a long and extensive mental gymnastics? No. You have to be super delusional. I mean SUPER. Like this one >>27574298

They are fun to read. Especially if it's a sarcastic or ironic joke.

I unsubscribed from Kson once the news broke, Somehow I can't get myself to support Vshojo.

>>27578148
> Not has to be company
> Vtuber service provider

That is Kson mean

>>27576790
>Kson deserves better
no

>>27572583
Imagine those adventurer's guilds in isekai manga. (The good ones)

>>27578354
Japanese were shocked as channers coz Kson was spouting PR shilling nonsense.

I don't see why any vhoejo fan would watch Kson. She hates Murica and men so that's already 96% of that fanbase that won't stick to her.

>>27578112
No, They BUY their service.
Kson ip still Kson's right not Vshoujo

They are indie

>>27578543
Yeah she explain it here >>27574298

>please watch vsho-
Whores? No.

>>27578441
Good. Your life will be happier. Are you IRyStocrat?

>>27578621
His post reeks of Ennafags.

>>27578008
Tatsunokos surprise that system exist in this world

>>27578558
>I don't see why any vhoejo fan would watch Kson.
I think they will love Kson. Kson is twitch whore by every definition. And she is willing to give slightly more effort than other Vshojos.

>>27578558
Reddit dragon legacy

>>27578645
How so?

looks like america is already leaking into her brain

>>27578697
LMAO. Good roast.

Corporate management structure: Hololive
Talent agency structure: VShojo
Kson has to break it down for her JP audience. that stream wasn't meant for (you)

>>27578794
The template posting is already obvious.

They keyword she should had use was PARTNERSHIP.

Not that I care, since it's good shitposting material.

250 posts arguing fucking semantics
Are you people insane?
We know what she means, we know how Vshojo works, she made a mistake saying it's not a company.
Why are we still at this?

>>27578881
Kson couldn't do PR shill if she actually tells the truth though

>>27579044
Not arguing semantics.
We are disucssing Kson's shilling tactics.

>>27578543
keeping all the proceeds from her channel, the merchandise she produces and her own sponsorships in exchange for giving up her name for merchandise on a website and sponsorships she gets from vshojo is not nonsense, it's fact.
something so beneficial to the talent does not exist in japan.
but as I said, go check it out for yourself.

Watching Kson shilled like a full retard, I suddenly wish to replace her with the honest Kiara. It would be good.

>>27571951
It's the best tuber corpo.

>>27579044
The Holo/Niji shills feel threatened so they have to attack her over meaningless bullshit.

>>27572250
insects still seething all those years?

I'm not much of a tribalfag or anything, and I don't have any hate for vshojo even though I don't watch much. Mike joining makes me a bit nervous for them, though, with the possibility of some second yab and all. Hopefully I'm wrong and everyone can just stream in peace.

>35:48 Kson: They love anime.
>36:38 Kson: And these are ppl who absolutely love Japan and the VTuber culture in general.
Yeah, i don't know about that chief.

>>27572629
>>27573094
>>27573267
>>27573588
>>27575648
>>27575961
>>27577246
>>27578441

>>27578558
They don't watch streams.

>>27579533
Always (in professor Snape's voice)

>>27571951
They're the only one I know that false DMCAs, goes rabid for false rape accusations, and has the highest menhera proportion of the big 3 vtuber corpos by virtue of the mental illness of westernized women and the tranny.

>Kson: I hope that one day, we will not longer have the independent/corporation distinction.

Wow very subtle there.

I don't even think its kson fans doing it but opportunistic shitposters, but more than ever, even mild criticisms of kson just get you called a chink. I find it bizarre.

>>27574221
Lol stfu idiot I'm a vshojofag and even I know that gura really liked kiara's company because unlike you I actually watch streams. Anyone that watched guras last chat stream knows it.

>>27579660
>>27579865
go to sleep cheng

>>27580000
Mostly vsjfags, need to make it convincing. Indie vtubing is dead.

Regardless of whether vshojo is a company or not, we can all agree that vshojo streamers (including kson) are not indie right?

>>27580116
Yeah, they’re absolutely not indies. They also do ‘t actually assist indies, as they claim to.

>>27580116
if vshojo dies, do the talents die with him?

>>27580191
that's not the litmus test because small corpos have died before and let their talents take the character

>>27580116
270 posts in and people are still arguing semantics over this very easy to understand point

>>27580191
they receive a salary?

>>27580017
>changs are defending Kson now
What the fuck is this clown shit

>>27579790
Don't use her better persona for your shitpost.

>>27576058
It's freaking LA in a middle of a con. Yeah if you are famous they gonna get you a bodyguard.

>>27580321
she still has taiwanese fans tho

>>27580321
pretending to be tatsunoko to piss off others
and then shit on kson by answering themselves is not defending anon.

>>27580116
No, they are indie

>>27580394
>bodyguard
There's like a 99% chance they just gave a con security guy $20 to stay close to her. Shes being hyperbolic like everything elses shes saying

>>27579865
in what utopic world does she live?

>>27580616
That because Hololive never did shit for her in the first place....

>>27580116
They are not as that would be a slap in the face to true indies who made it all on their own with no backing from any company

>>27580735
how

I don't really get what's the problem. Every big streamer has an agency/company behind them. xQc has Evolved, Shroud has Loaded.gg. All it does is it makes it less frustrating trying to get sponsorships/early game copies since these companies has an in with big publishers and brands like Logitech and gfuel. For Vshojo all it does is it makes it easier to make merch/get a place to sell said merch for like 2% of the profit. If Kson starts acting as a whore well it's more of a "her" problem and she always acted like a whore anyway.

>>27572250
>Fuck all this tribalfagging, I want Kson and Mike to be happy.
No sense trying, anon. Those that understand won't post anymore about this and those that don't wanna because the (You)'s are one hell of a drug are gonna keep doing it.

why is the debatebro trying so hard to prove kson is an indie when she clearly isn't? let me ask you this guy.

why would you have to JOIN vshojo just to get sponsors merch and support? why not do a collaboration to get those things? you get to be an actual indie while getting support without being apart of vshojo or under their umbrella. you can do
(Vshojo X KSON) collaboration exclusive merch and you can ask them to get you sponsors while giving them a cut
WITHOUT JOINING THEM. im probably speaking ESL ESPN gibberish to you and i zero understanding so please clarify to me if im wrong

/vsj+/ fag here, seems you guys are confused, though it looks like Kson's answers might be contributing to that, or the translators didn't do a very good job. Ask me anything.

>>27580921
Your point?

That doesn't mean Kson not idie

>>27581146
How big is Kson's dick

>>27581146
Show evidence that you are VSJ fag not Artiafag shitposter first

>>27580921
>why would you have to JOIN vshojo just to get sponsors merch and support?
NTA. But why wouldn't you? Instead of stressing yourself of finding companies who will make the tshirt/merch/emailing companies/responding to emails to potential sponsors, why not get an agent who does all of that stuff for like 2-3%? Instead of having to go to actual meetings, just let your agent go to them while you play vidya.

>you can ask them to get you sponsors while giving them a cut
That's literally what their contracts are. Instead of asking them EVERY TIME you want a sponsor/merch drop, just sign with them and they'd do that for you in the background 24/7 while paying them the same amount every time.

>>27521913
Hey guys let's just make 20 more threads on the same topic

>>27580921
she is the one who coping about not joining a corpo when she cleary does , she just doesn't wants to look like a hypocrite but she is doing it worse

>>27581285
just get used to it doesn't look like will stop soon

>>27571951
Sounds like shilling, I need a third party opinion like from nux or their haters

>>27580811
>2% of merch is their only cut.

Dyrbi? I mean its hypothetically possible but unless you have hard proof you are completely insane

>>27580726
She is what she is today only because of Hololive.

So this vshoujo takes a cut from the vtuber but doesn't order them around or own their model/IP.
They are now commission salesforce instead of employees?

>>27581146
nox did nothing wrong

>>27581484
>doesn't order them around
That's what they pretend, but you still need to join their cancel campaigns and shady charity shilling.

>>27581261
>Instead of stressing yourself of finding companies who will make the tshirt/merch/emailing companies/responding to emails to potential sponsors, why not get an agent who does all of that stuff for like 2-3%?
She already had a manager who probably dealt with that stuff. With someone as big as kson she pretty much just needs to exist to get sponsors, and the thing is that vshojo only looks for people as big as her.

>all this debate over whether VShojo is a company or not
I don't really care. I'm more concerned that all the girls under that flag are absolute whores with literally coom content.
>the """science team""" sciencistyting Mel
>Vabeiesex
>the cheating on her husband one
>the let-me-tell-you-about-my-sex-experience one
>le pink cat but with a boyfriend now so magically become """wholesome"""
>can't have sex because of my condition but already have a child that you won't know about one
etc.

But to be honest I'm really curious to see what kind of content Kson and NotRushia will produce now that they're here.

>>27583286
chaturbate and onlyfans

>>27571951
I bet Vshoujo is inspired by my thread >>19090709 I made on Feb

>Under umbrella of vShojo.
>Not a corpo but all indie.
>They took $11 million in promotion from their fans.
I'm sorry. That sounds like a lot of horseshit there. Just seems like a loophole they pulled out like Uber does. It's begging a government intervention to look into it and make vtubing worse if they step too close to the sun.

>>27583286
mike new model is gonna bring the lolicons to her and seeing their money she will latch instantly, it will be tolerated at first due to the big numbers and then any of the other girls is gonna remember to take their sjw pill and say shit about mike and/or her simps live.

mike will remember this shit forever and start collecting any and all dirt she can on the company before having another leak.

kson not being able to be forgotten by winnie will start getting shit anew, it will slowly bring blow back to VS and the other girls. they will also be getting less and less communication with nijisanji due to now being owned by the chinese.

>>27583615
if the company fucks up, they fucked up, no other solution to salvage vshitshow brand name

>>27572830
You are a COMPLETE idiot if you think that's even possible in 5min considering it would /necessarily/ rely on some sort of network infrastructure to work.
I'm sure it'd be reasonable to think that he would write something but the timeframe is just WAY to generous to be realistic at all.

>>27577841
That's just a corpo by another name. If said guild grew large enough to have influence then bureaucracy would naturally form and have rules and limits.

>>27581481
This. Hololive will still go big without her. But Kson will be nobody without Hololive.

>>27578558
Kson is a true-blooded twitch whore. That's more than enough

>>27583887
So basically if a vtuber hires/works with any company to help them with merch/legal/sponsorships they are no longer indie, correct?

>>27583887
This. That's why Kson is talking bullshit to audience.

>>27584156
This. Vshojo fans will welcome the new whore.

>>27584169
Cmon....you serious or?

Indie hire aritst or whatever or whever to do something, she's still indie.

If Indie WORKS under the name/umbrella of a company. She's no longer indie.

>>27581191
Bigger than mine, but I'll DM Bao later and ask her.

>>27581250
Can't. Would it help if I said I was one of the people who started that thread back in January 2021? Maybe not. Not sure how many people would admit they were responsible for a thread that has brought mass seethe on /vt/ tho.

>>27581498
I'm sure nox didn't, whomever the hell that is. Nux Taku, however, was an imbecile no matter how you slice it.

Not very good questions.

>>27584228
True! We love our western whores and now we have an eastern one. Everything is coming up VShojo!

>>27584434
>Everything is coming up VShojo!

Vshojo is winning super big this time. Breaking into JP scene with ex-holo ace.

I’m curious about something: How will Vshojo explain hiring Michael Cat, if it really is her?

>>27584434
Why do you care about money more than the scene? I feel that's the real question that needs to be addressed.

>>27584532
Why do they need special explanation?

>>27584331
It depends on the contract you dumbass, what if chuubas get 100% of the profit and just pay when they want some legal support or promoting their merch? what if there is no contract to sign?
"Joining Vshojo" maybe means nothing it's just when vtubers decided to use their services as main support

>>27584744
>what if there is no contract to sign?
another funny anon >>27573077

>>27584475
Two, tho that depends on your personal feelings on the other one. Certainly having one of the biggest pioneers in vtubing in Kson is huge. Ai-chan may have made vtubing a thing, but Kson made English vtubing possible (with an assist from Melody).

But anyway, Mousey repeatedly told us we were not prepared. Most of us speculated VShojo JP and Kson joining but not a single fucking person smelled Mikeneko/Rushia. I'm finding a few reactions online from people who know her and flipped their shit about it. Koefficient probably had one of the better ones. Pretty damn fun day that was.

>>27584560
Not sure what you mean. Me personally? I don't care... well okay I care about my OWN money but not sure what you mean.

>>27584818
>Ai-chan may have made vtubing a thing
ok
>but Kson made English vtubing possible (with an assist from Melody).
???? Which timeline do you come from?

>>27584564
I’m certain Vshojo knows how it’ll look to have her join up. Kson is one thing, having graduated cleanly, but a termination by NDA violation is a much bigger deal to the corpo element.

>>27584978
>a termination by NDA violation is a much bigger deal to the corpo element.
While you are correct....Vshojo fans love whores, do you think the fans care if new member break NDA or has no moral codes at all?

I think there's no type of females the Vshojo fans will hate.

>>27585102
The Vshojo fans don’t care, in fact, they’d probably be ecstatic about it. More so, I’m curious how they plan to maintain favorable relations with Cover to facilitate things like SOTD while also making such an interesting decision.

Is it so hard to understand the benefits of having an agent even with no contract?

>>27585102
>Vshojo fans love whores
OK but this is a new branch catered to the JP audience that they don't have yet

>>27585230
>More so, I’m curious how they plan to maintain favorable relations with Cover
I'm very curious too. But I know Cover is super conservative when it comes to PR. I bet Cover wants nothing to do with Vshojo.

Also, some say Cover leeched from Niji but doesn't let Niji to do the same. I agree with this speculation. Cover will not let Vshojo leech him.

I wonder if Kanata will still talk about friend C, and Holomems will still refer Coco as great dragon in next sports fes.

>>27585392
I don't think a single person has ever argued that indies wouldn't massively profit from vshojo, the thing is that vshojo doesn't take no-name indies and that someone as big as kson can easily burn 1k for shit that they could get better themselves

>>27585429
It is new branch, but what audience will be attracted? The idolfag unicorns?

Cmon.

>>27585550
>The idolfag unicorns?
>hires mike
Uhhh

>>27584962
Obviously not the same one as you. Kson as Coco helped bring something to the English audiences that other vtubers to date hadn't done: someone who could actually speak (clear) English and her clips made her huge in the west. Clippers helped bring the others, but Kson/Coco had something special that the others just didn't (other than the random Miko n-bomb or other Jap girls speaking Engirsh curse words).

Maybe you can deny that, but I think that's disingenuous.

>>27585676
>Kson made English vtubing possible (with an assist from Melody).
>you can deny that, but I think that's disingenuous.
When Hololive/vtuber made wave in en community, go ask what made the anons fell into rabbit hole.

Yes. It was the Coco clips!
By the way I've also never heard of Gura and myth.

>>27585676
>>27585883
It was not one girl or one group retards, you can just say it was hololive as a whole, it wasn't a competition

>>27585951
Blame it on the Tatsunoko who talked like an idiot.

>>27585507
>I wonder if Kanata will still talk about friend C, and Holomems will still refer Coco as great dragon in next sports fes.
In Kanata’s case, she probably will. I think Coco will retain the general significance, but the mentions will probably dissolve overall.

>>27585951
I mean, it was, but his last comment makes it sound like Hololive EN just appeared on the scene and spontaneously grabbed millions of followers and thousands of viewers. EN worked because a path was blazed before them, not because EN just suddenly came to be. That path was blazed by existing HL talents who were clipped to the west, and it is my opinion that Coco had a bigger impact than the rest of them. Melody popped on the scene and made western vtubing a name (mostly because she pissed people off, but bad press is still press).

But either way, I came here to answer questions about VShojo, not rewrite history with a drone.

>>27586246
A far more interesting question: will Coco ever appear on HL again?

>>27585392

>>27586738
No fucking way.

Imagine after Kson went full titty chaturbate streamer and Holos still refer her as Holo alumni great dragon frequently.

>>27571951
I like Vshojo but the lack of professionalism is probably going to backfire at one point.
The idea that some of them are making tweets that relate to politics already set alarm bells for me, as even if said politic tweets are made in good faith or just something they personally believe in, it also sets the expectations that people will want them to take their sides on other political issues that have no good/bad side. It's their choice to do that of course but the moment they start trying to make their followers take political stances on whatever matters are going on in their home country it just seems irresponsible for me.

>>27586943
Goodluck out whoring the whores that already in the JP vtubing sphere. JP whore streamers are on a completely different level.

>>27586908
If Kson doesn't like to stay as the glorious dragon in pretigious Hololive, just let her have fun with Veibae and whores.

Very disappointed that Kson lied about creativty and Kson entertainment. I thought Kson could be something special. Not just a twitch whore.

>>27586943
Why not? She did all that as Kson not Coco. As I recall HL left over the ability for her to come back as Coco for special occasions and such.

>>27587156
You have a point. I think I heard of AVtuber or something like that.

But they don't have the fame of Hololive. Kson and Rushia directly bring over the Holo fame to Vshojo.

>>27587359
> for her to come back as Coco for special occasions and such.
They said tons of emotional shit during graduation of Coco. In the end no one even takes over the Shitpost Review show.

Now Kson joins the sluttiest group in the industry. I doubt Cover wants anything to do with Kson.

>>27587374
Sounds like a burden to carry, people will tune in out of curiousity. Mike the cat still draws in the dramaniggers while Kson will be in a spotlight for a month until people realise nothing has change then leave her again.

I know she's going to be collabing with more twitch streamers now, seeing her super 3D seems to use CodeMiko's tech.

>>27586908
saved

>>27587615
>Sounds like a burden to carry
When Rushia opened new Youtube account, her subsribers count rose like rocket.
All thanks to Holo fame. Same with Kson. The Coco supa transfered to Kson. The best gift/buff from Holo. Character IP doesn't mean shit compared to the diehard fans from Holo.


>people realise nothing has change then leave her again.
That's good enough. Extremely good PR. Vshojo will be far more well known in JP.

>seeing her super 3D seems to use CodeMiko's tech.
Not sure if I missed anything. I watched Kson 3D debut. It was bad, the 3D model looked like mmd model. Also, I've watched CodeMiko 3D before, It made me realized realistic 3D has no fucking use, if the pilot is not interesting.
Should spend more money in recruiting talent imo. (or increase the stream quality somehow, better model graphics don't add a lot of entertainment, unless the L2D is ugly as shit to begin with)

>>27577566
>Hololive
>dictates what can do, say, and with who you can collab
>has no regard to your personal growth, and desires
>if it's not profitable in the first place, pay for song, mv, etc. yourself
>wanna new outfit, pay
>wanna support when shit hits the fan, too bad, deal with it yourself
>takes humongous taxes

>>27579400
most likely, this.

Goodbye, last 【vshojo is not company, kson is indie, chuuba takes 100% cut】 thread.

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