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>> No.27504174
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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>> No.27504238
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* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *


>41,447: Tenkai Tsukasa (Indie)
>32,929: Botan (Hololive)
>29,741: Miko (Hololive)
>26,244: Ponpoko (Indie)
>22,336: Mumei (Hololive)
>19,997: Okayu (Hololive)
>17,648: Nene (Hololive)
>16,076: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>15,421: Vox (Nijisanji)
>13,371: kson (VShojo)
>13,307: Mio (Hololive)
>12,143: Chihiro (Nijisanji)
>11,972: Korone (Hololive)
>11,866: Flare (Hololive)
>11,743: Koyori (Hololive)
>10,940: Reid (Neo Porte)
>10,934: Axia (Nijisanji)
>10,892: Polka (Hololive)
>10,503: Towa (Hololive)
>10,166: Ina (Hololive)

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>>27504238
JULY 2022 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 43,044 - HoloCure
2) Subaru (Hololive) - 66,433 - Birthday stream
3) AZKi (Hololive) - 74,504 - 3D birthday live
4) Tsukasa (Indie) - 41,447 - Streamer league mahjong

>PER COMPANY
3x: Hololive
1x: Indie

>PER STREAMER
1x: AZKi, Miko, Subaru, Tsukasa

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
121x: Hololive
53x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
3x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
18x: Pekora
16x: Aqua
15x: Salome
13x: Miko
12x: Kuzuha
9x: Subaru
6x: Hal
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Gura, Hololive, Mio, Suisei, Toya
3x: Chloe, Choco, Flare, Okayu
2x: Ange, Fuwa, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Mori, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, AZKi, Botan, Chronoir, Debi, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Laplus, Masaru, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Noel, Roboco, Rushia, Sango, Sora, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

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>>27504274
>Final /news/ roundup for 04-07-2022
>>27467434 )

Top ID Vtubers agencies
>>27399643

HoloX overlap chart
>>27388638

Recent Clip Numbers
>>27385639
>>27385686
>>27385868
>>27385907

>> No.27504368

Do streams have the view graphs like some of the video uploads have nowadays? Might be interesting to compare those graphs over time.

>> No.27504392

Kek, some anon did a calculation in the last thread and showed that Vox had 80k CCV

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>> No.27504457

>>27504392
That anon is retarded though. Actual 80k ccv streams doesn't get sub 300k views.

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>> No.27504496

>>27504392
There's going to be someone that unironically believes it.

>> No.27504528

>>27504398
Mumei is mmissing btw

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>>27504324
More recent clip numbers
>>27454104
>>27454131
>>27454326
>>27454354

>> No.27504605

>>27503892
Okay, so basically, I am doing this to see if it's possible to just fill in all the variables we can't see like Viewer Churn with scattershot assumptions to create a range of possible answers, with the lower bound created by assuming an extremely low churn rate, and the upper bound created by an extremely high churn rate.

If you look at the same stream's view numbers at three different points in time, you can chart out the view growth over time, and potentially isolate the number of views gained during the initial verification window. For example, in the first hour after a stream airs the numbers will be closer to the lower bound estimations, whereas after 48 hours the numbers will probably be closer to the upper bound.

All of this is to create a range, the real numbers are somewhere within that range. Obviously Vox doesn't have 80k CCV, that was a comparison using a stream that's already a week old

>> No.27504663

>>27504398
>4
Actually depressing.

>> No.27504696

>>27504392
That calculation is likely wrong. A high retention stream with a 1k CCV average might have up to 10k views after a couple of hours (usually less than 6). I noticed this from watching vsingers, so this might be different for other stream types.

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>>27504398

>>27504528
thanks for the heads up

>> No.27505012

>>27504696
Yes, the purpose of calculating at different Retention Rates is to show upper and lower bounds. I also calculated with an assumed churn time of 5 and 30 minutes and got ~295000 Views and ~48000 views respectively.

Going off Playboard-
>https://playboard.co/en/video/GGua8Ynt_DI
He gained 43k from when the day the stream aired, then 171k over then next 24 hours.

>> No.27505027

Isn't the thread kinda slow right now?

>> No.27505062

https://twitter.com/akirosenthal/status/1543870745708679169

>> No.27505102

I see at least 4 other Gura VODs heading for 1 million :
A way out
First miku stream
First GTA stream
ASMR with Fauna

>> No.27505154
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I listened to the Delta stream the other day. One thing i was struck by was how much of a difference in the quality of singing there was compared to many other karaoke streams.

Of course most girl's don't necessarily do singing as a 'thing', and in a certain respect the karaokes are more like a form of service for the viewers. Like the dynamic of going to your kid's piano recital; it doesn't really mean anything if you don't have a personal connection with them.

Even still, i suppose the point is, it's a great shame that talent got dumpstered by a horde of spiteful nijitroons before it ever really got a chance to shine on the big stage.

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https://idolmaster-official.jp/news/01_4333.html

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>Enter stream
>See number
>Continue enjoying it
>Leave for next stream
Feels good being a CCV chad not having to camp VODs for days after the streams are over.

>> No.27505301

>>27505220
idolmaster gacha shill stream?

>> No.27505364

>>27505220
>mom and her daughter

>> No.27505398

>>27505220
Not a big deal since Salome is also sponsored by Imas too

>> No.27505446

>>27505237
This sounds like a mental issue taking hold or something. There are people who gathers and discuss number for stat purpose, and what is this?

>> No.27505562

>>27505220
lui's child bearing hips...

>> No.27505668

>>27505220
gacha stream?

>> No.27505673

>>27505237
>ccv during stream
>vod after stream
always winning

>> No.27505687

https://youtu.be/sptZcVt-oDw?list=PLTg6lK9p7LfgtrQq_jniTRDl_m15lAoKO
Imagine if this collab happened in the currently, the sheer number potential...

>> No.27505764

>>27505012
why not calculate it with the initial 43k views?

>> No.27505784

After so many big events in the past few weeks, it feels weird seeing a slow week right now.

>> No.27505816

>>27505687
>Pekora The Master Baiter

>> No.27505822

>>27505687
wasn't this one organized by management?
same with the gen5 x myth and jp x en x id ones?

>> No.27505932

>>27505220
>Million Live
In the fucking trash it goes. When will that piece of shit die so they can focus on Deresute and Shiny Colors?

>> No.27506065

>>27505932
it will never die, it's the only way to keep AS alive and they will never kill the original branch that carries namco's fucking name.

>> No.27506119

>>27505822
Why does that matter? What matter is that the entire First Army used to be at the same place at the same time
Nowadays it seem so surreal having even 2 of them together

>> No.27506130

>>27505822
No, Towa organised that one.

>> No.27506300

>>27506065
CHIHAYA LOVE

>> No.27506402

>>27506119
There is only one person that can make it happen again and that's twapi

>> No.27506476

indochads

>> No.27506511

Why does Niji spend more effort to get a quarter of the results for international collabs as compared to Hololive? I know Boxes are a thing, but they've been doing that for months now and none of them results to anything. Nagao/Oliver is still a shitter, mayu is graduating, selejo girls who panders hard on Reddit hadn't gotten any results.

>> No.27506555

>>27506511
Their fans gatekept the gaijins during the vtuber boom

>> No.27506567
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I'm reserving a spot for when Petra inevitably gets raided by Millie and/or Alban.

>> No.27506643

>>27506511
> selejo girls who panders hard on Reddit hadn't gotten any results
Akane just got included in their latest singing unit Nornis

>> No.27506807

>>27506511
Because fujos don't watch Oliver since he is a fucking jap. For the Chinese, liking a Japanese equal betraying your company

>> No.27506806

>>27506511
None of the big guns have time or care enough to learn English because they're all busy either doing concerts, doing major label stuff, sitting through sponsorship meetings or other things. The only one that cared enough was Mito and that was only because she noticed that EN, particularly Pomu, kept trying to interact with her, so she tried to talk to them back in courtesy.

>> No.27506857

Is everyone dead? It's not even weekend to use that as an excuse

>> No.27506938

>>27506806
Fuck, why can't they be like Miko, Pekora, Subaru or Suisei? Even though they suck at English, they always find a chance to include EOPs. The best ones are Miko and Subaru, while Pekora speaks a lot of English to Moona.

>> No.27506982

Irys 10k with the Sana collab debuff

>> No.27507034

>>27506857
Anon, look at the date for burgers.

>> No.27507148

https://twitter.com/GoodSmile_US/status/1544157891527155712

>> No.27507160
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https://twitter.com/GoodSmile_US/status/1544157891527155712
akutan pop up parade

>> No.27507174

>>27507034
Do the JP fanbase consist of mass hikki or something then, holidays for them is a buff instead.

>> No.27507199

>>27506643
Reddit didn't make her get there

>> No.27507264

>>27507148
>>27507160
cute onyan !

>> No.27507345

>>27506567
>All those raids
>Can't even qualify for cripple gold
sad

>> No.27507430

>>27506567
Why do NijiEN girls always play such shitty games?

>> No.27507458

>>27506938
Nijisanji is the company for the most deranged autists and people with crippling social anxiety in the Japanese society, you can't just expect them to act like a decent human being just because gaijins entered the same workplace.

>> No.27507478

>holoen can't break 10k with buff game(overwatch 2)
>holoen barely break 10k with a fucking collab
Nijien is taking over the NA market…

>> No.27507616

>>27507478
HoloEN just broke 20k with a zatsudan tho.

>> No.27507657

>>27506938
Short answer. because Miko
Nijis were never in the 2view hell that Miko was trapped in. When the gaijins arrived to shit up chat after the nigga moment, Miko never had the luxury to filter them out. She welcomed them because numbers were numbers and eventually the algorithm delivered the japs she really needed while she learned to tame world 35p. Seeing the results from their senpai, the rest of the holos just followed her example.

>> No.27507694

irys whitening filter affects sana too...

>> No.27507716
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>>27507478
>NA market…

>> No.27507775

>>27507478
Should I even need to respond? >>27506567

>> No.27507780

>>27507160
Tits way too small, no thanks

>> No.27507795

>>27507148
>>27507160
they nerfed her boobas

>> No.27507843

>>27507616
>check vrabi
>holokek is spreading the lie again
Why I'm not surprise.

>> No.27507846

>>27507657
Based Miko, Salome should have said nigga as well.

>> No.27507872

>>27506938
>Pekora
>Speak
It's strictly MC chat. She can't into speaking at all
And Pekora is like the least EOP-friendly JP. She never made an effort to appeal to foreigner

>> No.27507922

>>27507843
And it just keeps on going >>27506567

>> No.27507930

>>27507780
gaoupapa...

>> No.27507995

>>27507657
It also helped that Miko is a westaboo

>> No.27508009

>>27507872
I mean, I can produce a tweet and a stream from Pekora for you if you want

>> No.27508051

>>27507458
>M-muh niji has a worse social anxiety
Cope? Cope.
Lot of fucker keep talking about anxiety, but nijiJP got 0 shit to try to speak with them
They just dont want to interact to each other.
Their sense of tribalism is worse than /vt/

>> No.27508064

>>27507843
(You) i know you need this

>> No.27508148

>>27508064
Irys only get 10k retard

>> No.27508149

>>27505764
Because Playboard isn't completely accurate iirc

It's just the only resource available that provides view numbers at different times, but I can't trust the number it gives. I have to be able to confirm the number myself

>> No.27508168

>>27507478
>buff game(overwatch 2)
...man, remember the literal one day where hundreds of thousands of people piled in for Twitch drops, hoping that OW2 would be good? I guess the game's slightly less dead than it used to be, but buff game? Hell the fuck no, I'm borderline convinced it's a debuff now for anyone not explicitly an OW content creator.

>> No.27508192

>>27508009
????

>> No.27508246

>>27508051
It's understandable NijiJP didn't pander since they ruled JP at that time. However, Hololive managed to blow up globally and took over JP as well.
There are a lot more NijiJP trying to pander to EOPs these days but the damage has been done. No NijiEN fans would care for NIjiJP. Heck, even the Mayu's graduation news didn't cause much big news on the EOP side of vtubing.

>> No.27508310

>>27508192
To show your dumbass that Pekora also welcomes EOPs

>> No.27508393

>>27508168
Vox got good number with it though

>> No.27508422

>>27508310
I'm not a nijinigger but... Holy ESL

>> No.27508440

>>27508393
sad bait.

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>>27507160
Wish it was the other outfit. I vastly prefer that one because I have a fetish for the white tights.

>> No.27508486

>>27508422
What part of it is ESL, you cock-sucking, illiterate ESL?

>> No.27508498

>>27508168
Meanwhile Overwatch 2 has 1.5k viewer total on twitch.
Buff game lol

>> No.27508503

>>27508310
Don't front, if you're going to do it just fucking do it, don't say you're going to do it and then not, retard

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>>27508460

>> No.27508545

>>27507833

>> No.27508549

>>27508422
Anon, that sentence was grammatically correct.

>> No.27508602

>>27508051
Say whatever the fuck you want, but there is no way you're going to get social recluses like Mugi to talk with random people living on the other side of the planet even if you point a gun to her head.

>> No.27508637

is it possible to make pop up parades with a normal 3D printer?

>> No.27508644

>>27508148
oh yeah, i forgot that Gura transferred to NijiID

>> No.27508657

how to win an argument : you fucking ESL monkey

>> No.27508661

>>27508246
Nah no
They just dont want to try pander and not EVEN fucking trying to communicate with other branch properly.
How the hell you conclude everything by "competitor has do so, and its too late to us", the longer they delayed it, the lesser tourist will come
That just pure stupid. Oh maybe because they are

>> No.27508708

>>27508422
ESL? that's you anon

>> No.27508712

Looks like Bae’s vaugeposting was about her eating with her mama.

>> No.27508748

>>27508393
2k

>> No.27508764

>>27508503
I'm not fucking front you shitface, go back to your ghetto

>> No.27508779

>>27508602
Then try to?
You dont need to point a gun, they dont even say hello
Named niji JP member that properly speak and make friend with other branch

>> No.27508812

>>27508712
IRL mama or artist mama

>> No.27508819

If EN 3 appears and causes HoloEN to incline again, with consistent numbers higher than all of Vshoujo(10k Average or Median), can we officially say that the EN market still has room to grow and that Vshoujo and NijiEN are failures for stalling at sub-10k?

>> No.27508824

>>27508422
I think the ESL here is you

>> No.27508877

>>27508712
I FUCKING KNEW IT

>> No.27508884

>>27508819
you will get 5x finana for EN3

>> No.27508906

>>27507478
Anon Ina just got 13k playing a goblin pachinko

>> No.27508919

>27508486
>27508549
>writes up an obvious bait
>retards still got hooked
thanks for (you)

>> No.27508945

>>27508884
Seething

>> No.27508968

>>27507478
>overwatch 2
>buff
this game is DOA

>> No.27509059

>>27508637
If you ask whether it's possible or not, yes it's possible. In fact, there are stores that sold 3D-printed figures.

>> No.27509131

>>27508644
>>27508906
I mean NOW.
gura and ina streams are already over.
HOLY JESUS CHRISTMAS YOUR ENGLISH IS SO FUCKING BAD.

>> No.27509144

>>27508812
she lives with her irl mom..
https://twitter.com/MikaPikaZo/status/1544166609773682688

>> No.27509205

>>27509131
lol

>> No.27509346

>>27508779
I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore.
https://twitter.com/kei_nagao2434/status/1543411437800144896
https://youtu.be/VWP8UOyy2rU
https://youtu.be/6jjzzn6TuVw
https://youtu.be/LBzwEg1dmHc
https://youtu.be/4aMZxXlvS6M

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>>27507657
>>27506938


Yeah, it's important to understand that in the first place, anykara was the only big player around after the 1st wave of virtual youtube video making came and went (Ai clones). Mito was a big part of that, by shifting the metagame from videos to livestreaming. There were other players and companies of course, but simply in terms of numbers, they were number one at the time, and hololive was just another one of those 'other companies'.

This idea of being number one was simply taken for granted by them as a fundamental reality. The kind of joshing over numbers you see today is nothing compared to the sheer level of mockery and partisanship that existed back then, vs anyone else who made the mistake of not being nijisanji - the callous enjoyment of someone who feels like they can kick down on someone else who can't say anything to clap back.

So the progressive growth of hololive from a just another also-ran, to major player, and then parity, and then superiority, fundamentally broke the brains of those types of wagon-hitchers, and they have yet to recover to this day.

>> No.27509440

>>27507478
>ow2
>buff game
it will be buff when it actually comes out and xqc plays it because if he doesn't it will be doa lol

>> No.27509563

>>27509131
you never stated current stream anon, even from the first bait. is this the classic moving goalpost

>> No.27509584

Is Kiara’s totsu for tonight’s goal is to beat Gura’s 20k zatsu?
Or we can expect a bigger goal

>> No.27509610

>>27509376
Yeah, some of the newer fans don't understand just how dominant Nijisanji was in 2018 and into 2019. Somebody like Mito was pulling 20-30k streams every single day while other vtuber orgs were lucky to hit 1k. The fact that Hololive grew to be bigger than Nijisanji ever was is case that should be studied by people looking to understand how phenomenons start.

>> No.27509612

>>27509584
17k

>> No.27509625

>>27509376
I mean, the superior and elitist mentality of Nijisanji is still there even though they are expanding outside of Japan.
It's always gatekeepy and not that inclusive to newcomers. Heck, anything positive happening to Hololive will have a wave of Nijifans begging to include Niji members as well. Case in point, HoloCure, and the constant begging to include NijiEN members.

>> No.27509657

>>27509346
no...why are these clips so depressing

>> No.27509680

>>27509584
Nah I don't think she will get it, 18k max

>> No.27509696

>>27506511
lack of meme
things like nigga , Eekum Bokum or hello motherfucker we're important for hololive popularity in the west and not they have to be natural made for the community itself and then goes bigger like a snowball.
All the potential niji memes goes out of radar or are forced like the desuwa virus

>> No.27509735

10k max. Kiara is garbage, you people are expecting too much from ENsharts

>> No.27509742

>>27509131
Everyone giving you your (you)'s but the funniest part is the ESL calling someone else's english bad lmao

>> No.27509825

>>27509610
Honestly, if Mito isn't constantly trying to kill her own viewership she would probably still keep that 20-30k and would've probably hit 1M by now.

>> No.27509849

>>27508310
Right...she welcome them but my point still stand, she can't into speaking English AND she don't actively trying to get EOP attention

>> No.27509891

>>27509696
now this is Holy ESL

>> No.27509897

>>27509696
Even now in 2022, new memes from Hololive keep on popping up, the two most recent ones are Ina's Tomorrow and Ina's back.....Hm, Ina is a lot more memey than I thought.

>> No.27509913

>>27509625
There are beggars who want HoloCure, a Hololive fangame, to include NijiEN members?

>> No.27510049

>>27509913
Yeah, someone here can give you the screenshot since it was posted here a few days ago.
And people from NicoNico Douga also wanted to report HoloCure for copying Vampire Survivor as well.

>> No.27510085

Took IRyS (& Sana) 15', but her pool finally reached above 100%. Looks like this stream isn't culled as hard as usual (or IRyStocrats are more engaging than usual)

>> No.27510136

>>27509696
More like there's too many nijisanji memes for newcomers to keep up, and most of them require you to know at least 3 people that one niji interacts with. This is why people who try to get into nijisanji either becomes a full-time nijifag or gives up because most of their jokes are literally either "you have to be Japanese to get this joke" or stuff that you will never know unless you watch like 3 other clips or more. One of the reasons why Mito was popular and barely spilled audience to other nijis before is because her memes didn't need require you to know other people except for maybe Kaede.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJWNoFqtYiMLNWXMhVCdofkhVuNpLUtSc

>> No.27510161

>>27510085
Post the number of views it has when the stream ends please

>> No.27510195

>>27508246
The era of JP vtubers getting a noticeable audience of EOPs pretty much died when NijiEN/Council debut.

>> No.27510369

>>27510195
Right now it's all about pushing the box instead of individual JP vtubers.
Sure, EOPs might not watch a single JP stream but they will know vtubers from inside the box. Even Roboco is more known outside of Japan than Chin-man.

>> No.27510401
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27510401

>>27509696
I remember my first sightings of hololive 'out in the wild' - though i did not recognize it for what it was at the time - were those short clips of Fubuki doing random meme impressions. That shit got around, 'major network penetration', to use the lingo, and sent a lot of people looking for sources.

>> No.27510415
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27510415

Is this Sanrio character kek

>> No.27510484

>>27509346
Holy fuck damn that so much huh
Maybe they can only that much lol
A stream from 1 month ago and then just stop. That just proving that anon point
Good luck with that nijibox, if they have any i mean

>> No.27510489

>>27506567
>Finana is a 3 view now
Damn xskwsj

>> No.27510496

>>27510195
>>27510369
I would argue this is wrong. EoPs will never make up a majority of your audience as a JP obviously, but they will make up a decent minority viewership, and they still are important for merch/music/algorithm pushing with clips.

EoP pandering will always be here because it IS a form of box pushing, branch unity cannot exist without multilingual pandering.

>> No.27510528

>>27510415
Nenechi is definitely proud of them

>> No.27510548

>>27507716
This joke isn't funny anymore.

>> No.27510556

>>27510484
https://youtu.be/8fTn_plT4OE here's one from 58 minutes ago

>> No.27510603

>>27510548
>joke

>> No.27510607

>>27510548
>He thinks its a joke

>> No.27510654

People always doomsaying about NijiEN when they aren't shitposting about how great Luxium is, but they always forget that even the shitters in NijiEN are still mid tier in Nijisanji

>> No.27510657

>>27510556
Good luck nagao
Hope you sincerely trying to build your own box
Not just once and then left

>> No.27510729

>https://twitter.com/ceresfauna/status/1544136453042556928?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

>> No.27510734

these lil dudes are so cute, irystocrats don't deserve them

>> No.27510761
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27510761

>>27510548
it isn't even a joke they literally lied in their IPO ppt

>> No.27510972

>>27510761
>Lied
More like creatively phrased it. Certainly, there is a PART of the audience that's in NA.
Okay yea it doesnt' stand up to scrutiny though, which is WHY THEY CHANGED IT AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.27511095

>IRyS whispering after the end of the stream
Is she always like this?

>> No.27511110

>>27511095
yes

>> No.27511127

>>27511095
...Yes?
She ALWAYS does this, but today's stream she's being especially chatty.

>> No.27511173

>>27511095
>secret endings
yes

>> No.27511177
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27511177

anyways, what was the peak?

>> No.27511219

>>27511177
?

>> No.27511246

>>27507930
Hey, Papa knows what's best for his daughter.

>> No.27511250

>>27510161
21,786 Views the moment it ended

>> No.27511286
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27511286

>>27511177

>> No.27511344

>>27511286
>consistency on retention across most of the stream
>almost double people voting in poals
>susan wants us to believe its churn

>> No.27511350

>>27511286
shark teeth!

>> No.27511378

Can't wait for EN3 and HomoEN. My favorite part about EN auditions is that you get to watch the rejects sperg out and cry on Twitter afterwards.

>> No.27511430

nijigold
>nijigold
nijigold
>nijigold

>> No.27511466

>>27511430
Sorry, but why do you suddenly say that?

>> No.27511468
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27511468

Kek

>> No.27511520

>>27511127
I think there's only been 3 IRyS streams that did not have a secret ending

>> No.27511525

>>27511468
Is it as bad as their first attempt?

>> No.27511551

IRyS Mascot Design Stream
>https://vrabi.net/video/WjYCPf3shKI
>1 hour, ~33 minutes
>11096 CCV Average, 11741 CCV Peak
>~22k views, just now

Assuming a Total Churn Time of 5 minutes
>93 minutes / 5 minutes = 18.6 turnovers
>18.6 * ~11k = 204600 views

Assuming a Total Churn Time of 30 Minutes
>93 minutes / 30 minutes = 3.1 turnovers
>3.1 * ~11k = 34100 views

Dividing Total Views by CCV Average
>~22k / ~11k = 2 turnovers
>93 minutes / 2 = ~45 minutes

So obviously this needs some post processing, because obviously 45 minute Total Churn Time isn't correct. That is, unless it is normal and Gura is legitimately giga culled.

>> No.27511571

>>27511468
what is this?

>> No.27511572

>>27511466
Well, Holo doesn't really have anything that can beat 50k.

>> No.27511584

>>27510136
This. Even for NijiEN the in-jokes were such a barrier that I dropped a few of them.

>> No.27511597

>>27511525
>>27511571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yChfxNyvb-U

>> No.27511619

>>27511468
Another School Days Vtuber?

>> No.27511635

>>27511551
What am I supposed to take away from this?

>> No.27511657

>>27511597
Is that the actual Kotonoha VA?

>> No.27511666

>>27511378
Isn't there a small sperg out for Kson and notRushia's announcement, saw some complains about the Vshojo's audition on twitter, but doesn't seems to make any waves.

>> No.27511678

>>27511635
That this poster needs to take his meds. Ignore him.

>> No.27511732

>>27511551
is this a new vod cope?

>> No.27511742

>>27511657
Sekai https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=25260

>> No.27511785

>>27511378
I can't remember much about the Myth rejects, but I remember some indies complaining about Kronii sounding bored and unprepared in her debut and sperging about it. Then you had fallenshadow go on a tirade about Fauna. That was good shit. Many of the actual competitive applicants probably kept their mouths shut to try and not burn bridges and reapply or probably apply with NijiEN as their backup.

>> No.27511793

>>27503251
>AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahhaahahahahH
Ive been saying since last year that Cover will never get rid of him and got called a schizo every time. APOLOGIZE

>> No.27511869

>>27511551
Comparatively >>27502910
Gura's stream at 5 times the number of views immediately after ending with only twice the CCV. They were similar lengths, so unless Gura had more than double the viewer churn, there's a massive discrepancy here.

>> No.27511893

Anycolor stock up 16%

>> No.27511919

>>27511793
AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I KNEEL SCHIZOCHAD

>> No.27511927

>>27511893
Who the fuck is buying that stock after a graduation announcement lol

>> No.27511932

>>27511793
Then where the fuck is he?

>> No.27511938

>>27511869
Excuse for my ESL, what's the definition of "viewer churn" in this thread?

>> No.27511940

>>27511378
It's funny seeing them whine and act like Hololive just picked random people from the street when some of the current HoloEN grinded for years.

>> No.27511973

>>27511869
i think the views at the end of streams are far too inconsistent to make any conclusion

>> No.27511981

>>27511932
>Out of sight out of mind
Are you a fucking child

>> No.27511999
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27511999

>>27510415
Kuromi?

>> No.27512006

>>27511940
Ikr, cant believe we found out about pomu 's grind to fame on /b this late

>> No.27512027

>>27511932
This is the same company that transfered Mel's rapist to another department instead of firing him. What do you think?

>> No.27512132

Why are Mumei's numbers so low. Did people get tired of the FPS arc already?
Also holy fuck I hate these fireworks how the fuck am I supposed to wake up early tomorrow

>> No.27512134

>>27511938
How long it takes for a viewer to leave and be replaced in the view counter. Assuming you do not have 100% viewer retention, eventually someone will leave, and how long it takes for that to happen is your viewer retention time. Viewer churn is the process of viewers leaving and new ones arriving, creating the appearance of retention but reality of churn, meaning you have more views than you do CCV when the stream ends and turns into a VoD.

You can calculate churn by taking the number of views when a stream ends and dividing it by Average CCV, to get the number of times your entire audience must have 'turned over', and then you can take that number, divide the length of the stream with it, to get estimated viewer retention

>> No.27512148

>>27512027
Mel's situation has been distorted through memes and nijinigger slander, what happened was
>Mel had a manager who made advances on her
>Mel reported it to upper management who fired that manager
>that manager continued stalking her
>cover was like "Well we already fired him, what more do you expect us to do"
Then the story leaked and suddenly it became "mel's manager raped her while cover stood by and did nothing" and nijiniggers being nijiniggers jumped on it to pump up their "cover is a black company" narrative and now here we are.

>> No.27512196

>>27512148
Yeah. Nijisanji is the only company that hired an actual rapist who bragged about it on their personal accounts.

>> No.27512220

>>27512148
That's not what happened. He was not fired, he was transfered. He still worked for the company. It was not until she threatened legal action that he was fired. Just watch the fucking Narukami video, Mel obviously leaked the story to him.

>> No.27512241

>>27512220
>And other pathetic lies nijiniggers tell themselves

>> No.27512268

>Just watch the fucking Narukami video
Jesas

>> No.27512285

>>27512220
Pretty sure Narukami died

>> No.27512293

>>27512134
thanks.

>> No.27512335

>>27512220
>Narukami
Neck thyself.

>> No.27512359

>>27512220
>naru-fucking-kami
You might as well cite hero hei too while you're at it

>> No.27512538

>>27512359
Is that dude still alive

>> No.27512553

I'm new, who is this Narukami and hero hei

>> No.27512595

>>27512268
>>27512335
>>27512359
He was obviously connected. He broke the story first and had quite a few details nobody else knew. Say what you want about the dude but Mel clearly leaked it to him.

>> No.27512685

>>27512553
They're DramaAlert faggots

>> No.27512690

>>27512553
Hero Hei is some retarded EOP dramatuber with 2nd hand knowledge of everything and a bunch of bad takes. Narukami Sabaki was a based man who wrecked Nijisanji's asshole so hard they threatened to sue him but he didn't budge because he knew they couldn't refute what he said. Eventually he got done in, I forgot who did him in though. Didn't have shit to say about Rushia though, Korekore broke that story.

>> No.27512703

>>27512134
The number of views at the end of a stream is not the actual number as we know processing is still being done as the video is not ranked properly when sorted by views

>> No.27512746
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>>27506567
Updated

>> No.27512761

>>27511927
Buy low, sell high

>> No.27512778

>>27512746
That's some pretty decent retention at least for the Gura Killer

>> No.27512779
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27512779

God do you guys still remember the days when nrkm was actually semi-relevant? Remember the days when people would argue over the narratives he spread? I still remember his redemption arc when he defended Migoti (during her break was it? I think that's when it was because I also remember that retarded brain-damaged attentionwhore SEAfag birdkun peddling his retarded narratives against Migoti). It all feels like it was so long ago...

>> No.27512831

>>27512779
She was pregnant, I don't believe her bullshit "I fell down the stairs at the park" story one bit.

>> No.27512844

>>27512779
I still don't understand what the fuck was birdkun's problem with miko was. Spreading pregnancy rrats (especially with a stars member) is not something you do lightly.

>> No.27512847

>>27512831
Fuck off birdkun

>> No.27512903

>>27512220
>Mel obviously leaked the story to him.
>After Rushia got fired for leaking company related stuff by "accident" to a bigger drama tuber
At least use your head dumbass.

>> No.27512906
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27512906

https://twitter.com/haruharukin16/status/1544188094844633088

>> No.27512929

>>27511927
Graduations bring big numbers. It’ll rise once the numbers come in but sell fast before they realize ‘at what cost?’

>> No.27512928

>>27512746
>Narukami
penguin has the best retention of all

>> No.27512938
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27512938

>>27512831
FAQ birdkun you irrelevant SEAfag
>>27512844
I wish I knew but my bet is with him trying to attentionwhore off of it. Remember when he tried to make himself a VTuber off of clipping Coco only to be irrelevant because rumao SEAfag 3rd world tier live2D and he was retarded.

>> No.27512976

Azki's Concert, 40 hours Edition
>https://vrabi.net/video/y3Ed1eCwuOA
>~1 hour
>~74500 Peak CCV, ~67500 Average CCV
>~360k Views after 40 hours

Assuming a Total Churn Time of 5 minutes, Pessimistic Lower Bound
>60 minutes / 5 minutes = 12 turnovers
> 12 * 67500 = 810000 views

Assuming a Total Churn Time of 30 minutes, Optimistic Upper Bound
>60 minutes / 30 minutes = 2 turnovers
>2 * 67500 = 135000 views

Calculating Churn Time
> 360k views / 67.5k = ~5 turnovers
> 60 minutes / 5 = 12 minutes Churn Time

For reference >>27455828
The number of views as barely changed in 20 hours, so we can conclude the initial estimate at the 20 hour mark was fairly accurate.

>> No.27512980

>>27512690
he did say that rushia gave him the same story in november about senpai bullying. he didn't find it credible just like korekore so he never reported on it.

>> No.27512987

>>27512906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynJ7GwxIna8
The archive is there but she cut around half of it.

>> No.27513047

>>27512778
Petra generally gets some good retention. Also whenever they throw their viewers to a NijiID a surprising amount stay

>> No.27513057

>>27512906
So, Moona is being brigaded?

>> No.27513073

>>27512903
This happened literally 2 fucking years ago, retard. What the fuck do you mean "after rushia"?

>> No.27513087

>>27505027
>Overwatch 2 is DOA
>NijiCN's current streams are below Kiara's level
>No strong JP stream until later
Pretty much dead hours

>> No.27513156

>>27505398
Also the homos got sponsored too

>> No.27513184

>>27512980
>he didn't find it credible just like korekore so he never reported on it.
When not even drama chasing people trust you kek.
>>27513073
He meant that 2 years ago Rushia was the one who leaked Mel's story to Narukami.

>> No.27513192

>>27513156
Really?

>> No.27513201

>>27513057
Nijisisters are doing their job I see. I kinda wish they would go after HoloCure next so Kay Yu can fuck off.

>> No.27513207

>>27504398
What's an AI Vtuber?

And why are there 8 grey girls in a row?

>> No.27513274

>NijiEN averages 4-5k ccv now
I'm impressed, they've really inclined recently. Barely below HoloENs 7-8k average.

>> No.27513282

Does someone have any data on Vtuber's earning? Like how many money does a streamer who have average ~500 ccv or 2k view perweek can get? I don't know how to get membership income, can we get any data on how many members a channel have or is it a private data only? Not counting any sponsorship or merch income of course

>> No.27513311

>>27512976
Rechecking
>https://vrabi.net/video/C4Uzlfa9bds
It seems Ina's VoD was mostly finished processing the views even at the 10 hour mark, since again it has only grown by 8k views in the time since then.

>> No.27513315

>>27513156
Again? Are we gonna get a suiberu and fbk stream?

>> No.27513370

>>27513201
How exactly would they go after holocure?

>> No.27513380
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27513380

>>27513282
Millie made this much, theoretically. She's a runt, but she still gets like 1k CCV at least

>> No.27513482

>4th of July
>/#/ arguing about EN numbers
Can we do this tomorrow?

>> No.27513497

Not number
https://twitter.com/AnAsianPanda/status/1544099403807412224

>> No.27513499

>>27513370
Mass reporting. We can do more to damage HoloCure, honey.

>> No.27513537
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27513537

>>27513282
twitch vtuber

>> No.27513567

>>27513497
HOW DARE SHE

>> No.27513602

>>27513274
Holos barely even get 4-5k nowadays.
NijiEN has inclined past them.

>> No.27513635

>>27513380
>10k a month
Damn, I'm never feeling sorry for them ever again.

>> No.27513636

>>27512746
Making good use of Youtube implemented function, I don't see any issue here

>> No.27513638

>>27513602
Here's your (you) you so desperately want. Now fuck off.

>> No.27513658

slow hour reduce the quality of the bait too

>> No.27513675

>>27513282
Kabhaal straight up posted that he made 4k$ in a regular month off of his ~250 viewer Twitch channel.

Before taxes probably.

>> No.27513678

Would it kill you guys to actually put in just an iota of effort into your shitpost? I actually get offended when I see lazy shitposts as opposed to clever ones.

>> No.27513689

>>27513207
>girls
Oh anon…

>> No.27513700

>>27513635
$3k a month you mean

>> No.27513734

>>27513635
That's before all the cuts. Would be only around 3.3k post YT and Niji cut, and before tax. That's more or less IT (SE) fresh graduates' average monthly salary

>> No.27513735
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27513735

>>27513658
Quality of the bait has been shit for a while now anon... this is the new normal.

>> No.27513743

>>27513700
We don't know what kind of cut Niji takes compared to Hololive. Plus Millie probably has merch which cancels out any cuts.

>> No.27513758

>>27513380
I guess the revenue is from views only right? So youtube revenue is based on total views and watch hour?

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27513768

>>27511468
>Backstabbing bitch!

>> No.27513776

>>27513743
50/50 talent company obv (after yt cut)

>> No.27513790

>>27513734
I assume the YT cut is already taken from the projected income shown, since it's Youtube's analytics.

>> No.27513797

>>27513635
Doesn't that come down to a mesely 2k$ after everyone's cut (Yt, AC, taxes)?
Or could this be after YT takes it's cut already?

OR if it's just from ad revenue, then they should be swimming in it, yes.

>> No.27513801

>>27513776
>50/50 talent company obv (after yt cut)
We don't know that.

>> No.27513824

>>27511927
>>27511893
>>27512761
Wtf... Am i playing stock or a fucking crypto

>> No.27513843

>>27513499
Reporting for what? It's all gonna be flse reports and if any video gets taken down it'll be back up.

>> No.27513866

My favorite part about all these vtuber earning discussions is that it's very obvious that these girls, especially Hololive members, clearly make well over 6 figures after cuts with membership, merch, SC, ad revenue, and sponsorships, yet some of them act like they're living on food stamps.

>> No.27513894

>>27513801
Yes we do, Nijis were the first to confirm the 50/50 cut back in 2019, both Chaika and Rion at the time.
That's the standard contact at least.

>> No.27513906

>>27513866
It's called being frugal. And some of them did come from a poor background so old habits die hard.

>> No.27513914

>>27513866
Who? I've never seen any of them poorfagging. They act like total fucking misers sometimes, but that's just because they would rather let their money sit in a bank account instead of doing anything with it

>> No.27513933

>>27513057
Just some fuck troll
But by looking at how fast youtube reacted, it could be a group or susan just being a fucking isiot

>> No.27513956

>>27513866
They have to set aside their earning for other projects like commisioning for cover song/OG song, maintaining and upgrading their streaming device, and then living expense in a secure and safe area.

>> No.27513964

>>27513790
Yes, that's after YT's cut for ads (45%), memberships (30%) and SCs (30%)

>> No.27513975

>>27513866
I'm pretty sure I've typed in "STOP BEING A FUCKING JEW, x" for almost every HoloEN. Especially Mumei and Fauna. It's just so weird.

>> No.27513993

>>27513866
>it's very obvious that these girls, especially Hololive members, clearly make well over 6 figures after cuts with membership, merch, SC, ad revenue, and sponsorships,
Kiara said none of them (Myth) were millionaire just few months ago. Not sure if it was true or if she was just projecting herself over other members, though

>> No.27514029

>>27513894
That's the anykara black company contract. Please dont try to make it the industry standard

>> No.27514064

>>27513735
people are bored of low quality bait and people keep giving you(s) because they're bored, ad nauseum

>> No.27514067

>>27513993
>Trusting kiara
Her ESL makes everything that came

>> No.27514100

>>27513380
>Latest live stream performance
>20 hours later
>views - 23.8k
>average view time - 18:45
>peak concurrent viewers - 2.2k
Interesting.

>> No.27514104

>>27513993
I also don't want unwanted attention from me saying that I'm a millionaire. Also didn't she got fucked hard by Austria's tax?

>> No.27514117

>>27514029
I think big company like cover and anykara can make the cut 50/50 for talents who got in with audition, because they have the power to elevate no name indie to at least a known streamer, even if they have low views after joining. I think if they were scouted then they can negotiate different cut for the contract or something.

>> No.27514150

>>27514100
How does it compare to the data from online stats like vrabi/playboard/etc?

>> No.27514232

Where is everyone today

>> No.27514270

>>27504154
whats with all the clown posting?

>> No.27514312

>>27514232
It’s only just hitting 3 in JP and on the EN side a bunch already streamed

>> No.27514329

>>27514232
Become Human.

>> No.27514357

>>27514232
it's like 3pm jst my dude

>> No.27514384

>>27513993
desu, they're not that long in the tooth yet. Sodapoppin was a millionaire with an income of $155k a month, and he's small potatoes-
>https://twitchtracker.com/sodapoppin
Compare this to the numbers just EN have, now remember that Gura has something like 20k+ members compared to his ~5k and all Hololive girls, even the low tiers, sell out merch any time it releases nearly instantly, and it's noted this is a far superior income source by their own company, and they take a higher cut of this as well. I would assume any Myth girl is getting more fucking donations than Sodapoppin too.

Myth haven't been around for 10 years though like Sodapoppin though, they've only been around for two. That said, some of them have close to his number of total views, iirc 400k, and he's worth like 5 million dollars

Basically, if they're not millionaires today, give them two more years and they'll each have 3 million dollars

>> No.27514389

>>27513993
Earning high 6 figures and not being a millionaire aren’t incompatible. Especially when Kiara regularly takes vacations to other countries and doesn’t have a financial adviser

>> No.27514428
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>>27514270
>he dislikes the clussy
Why are you gae?
>>27514232
Not many streams and more importantly no /news/ for anons to shitpost or bait about.

>> No.27514463

>>27514389
Kiara can't possibly be spending as much money on those as most Twitch streamers burn on gamer crack

>> No.27514471

>Hololive
>50+ members
>no one is live

>> No.27514484

>>27514384
Do we have any data on merchs cut?

>> No.27514547

>>27514389
Kiara is actually stupidly frugal at times, the one thing that bothers me though is if they actually reinvest the profits they make.

>> No.27514563

>>27514484
Obligatory links
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwYsDj3SASw
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQyK3iG5JEk
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CauuLnqB72w

Summery: You get a higher cut the more of your own money you spend on producing it. You can do into the red on concerts and shit if you're willing to pay the price

>> No.27514631

>>27514563
I remember how people made a stink about that Lamy clip when it first came out

>> No.27514639

>>27514547
What would you even invest in now? Everything is going to shit, even worse if you started in 2021 or 2022.

>> No.27514642

>>27514232
A lot of anons got nuked yesterday during the Kobo Vox escapade

>> No.27514666

>>27513866
Streaming isn't going to last forever. I give vtubing 5, 10 years at max. If they're not saving the money they got now, what are they going to do when they're forced to graduate?

>> No.27514676

>>27514639
Buy a plot of land and recruit some simps to learn subsistence farming. Can't go wrong with a fall out shelter and a cult of personality.

>> No.27514678

>>27514639
Everything going to shit means it's the best time to invest, duh. What, you think you're supposed to invent when everything is at their all time high price?

>> No.27514679

Does holoEN have someone that actual love streaming, like for real, similar to Koyori? Many of them say they love streaming and then casually take break for days as if they are hot shit or something. If they are on the level of Aqua then may be I understand, having more obligations over time outside of streaming due to growing popularity.

>> No.27514685

>>27514389
Pretty sure Kiara has an accountant ever since she went back to Austria. It's Mori who got screwed over with her taxes

>> No.27514725

>>27514679
Kiara and Fauna is the ones that comes to mind.

>> No.27514739

>>27514679
i mean, kiara, the vacations thing is somewhat recent

>> No.27514740

>>27514232
I'm here, I'm just too lazy to post anything at the moment

>> No.27514755

>>27514639
something like mutual funds?

>> No.27514766

>>27514685
“Kiara” was asking people on Twitter if she should gwt a financial adviser a couple of months ago. Also Moris tax situation is fixed, no more 80% taxes

>> No.27514771

Holy FUCK bae actually went to the US and didn't do a single proper off collab like a fucking retard

Jesus christ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8etn9l45U

>> No.27514789

Did you guys forget that Ame spent who knows how much fucking money on a 3D set up and office? That shit could cost over a million dollars apparently if you want the highest quality, Ame couldn't afford that if she didn't have cash to shell out and even if she was a millionaire, which she wouldn't be with her numbers, she would have fallen below that point with expenses on that level

>> No.27514808

>>27514725
Doesn’t Fauna stream less most months than Mori, who has the music going on?

>> No.27514843

>>27514808
Yeah, but she clearly enjoys doing it when she streams.

>> No.27514878

>>27514808
loving streaming doesn't mean you bend yourself backwards overworking yourself to the point where you crash mentally (which has happened dozens of times since mori started streaming because she's a retarded workaholic)

>> No.27514887 [DELETED] 

>>27514771
But an accountant is different with a financial adviser, on manages your finances while the other helps you with your investments.
As a yuro an accountant doesn't cost much.

>> No.27514889

>>27514808
Yeah but saplings have to shill Fauna no matter what

>> No.27514891

>>27514384
membership alone would've give myth $150k-$200k already, let alone merch revenue, adsense, Spotify/Apple music income, album sales (only mori so far), fest share, and SCs. I'm certain each of them makes 3-4m dollars or more annually

>> No.27514892

>>27514789
Ames setup is not on that level and she already had some parts of it like the suits.

>> No.27514919

>>27514771
if fauna streams tomorrow she'll overlap fauna
if she streams longer than an hour she'll overlap gura too
she's so fucking stupid

>> No.27514921

>>27514878
Yeah but he clearly was using loving streaming as a substitute for streaming long hours.

>> No.27514920

>>27514766
But an accountant is different with a financial adviser, on manages your finances while the other helps you with your investments.
As a yuro an accountant doesn't cost much.

>> No.27514975

>>27514921
The he should have said that and actually watched the statistics where the hours streamed are.

>> No.27514985
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27514985

If one of the holoEN girls flew to Japan for some hololive event and they paid for the flights, could they claim those on taxes as work-related expenses?

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>>27514921
Then I guess she loves streaming than more than half this list!

Long hours is such a shit metric to define "loves streaming" because these girls clearly fucking do but don't do it like Kaela, Koyori and co

>> No.27515025

>>27514789
Yeah. Basically everyone in HoloEN has moved at some point since they started streaming, they all probably spent loads of money on their new places

>>27514891
That seems like an overestimation. Using Sodapoppin as a standard, 15k-25k streamer, he makes 150k a month from all revenue sources apparently. He's a millionaire because he's been on the grind for a decade at this point, while Hololive talent probably edges him out on profitability due to various other factors, they're still new on the scene and probably spending money like water on improving their basic standard of living

>>27514892
Even if that's the case it would still cost a lot to get her place set up to her own standards. I would assume she wouldn't cut corners on something she's doing for her own interests

>> No.27515096

>>27514985
yes
unless they have residency in japan

>> No.27515110

>>27514766
Did she say she got someone to do her taxes for her on Twitter or something? I never saw anything to indicate the problem was resolved

>> No.27515132

I wonder how long Salome is gonna remain the top vtuber

>> No.27515145

>>27514985
Absolutely.

>> No.27515165

>>27514985
If it's work related sure as you need to justify your expenditures when you do a claim, I'm not sure how loose their accountants are though but as long as it's well within reason and is justifiable, I would guess

>> No.27515206

>>27515110
Guessing she probably mentioned something in her latest member stream about getting that sorted out after a bunch of her members said there was no way it should be that high accounting for tax treaties.

>> No.27515223

>>27513866
Who? Pekora just dump 2k on gacha the other day on stream and buying all sort of expensive things

>> No.27515232

>>27515025
>from all revenue sources apparently
and he doesn't have any songs except that meme one that didn't take off, no fest revenue and probably low merch sales if he do have any

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Absolutely disgusting.

>> No.27515274

>>27515233
Probably the most boring original idea for a milestone stream.

>> No.27515279

>>27515233
Man Luxiem loves their milestones

>> No.27515284

>>27515232
Who the actual fuck is buying Sodapoppin merch

>> No.27515290

>>27514547
>Kiara is actually stupidly frugal at times
The woman spent 1000 euros on a fucking boots. That's not being frugal at all.

>> No.27515325

>>27515223
>Pekora just dump 2k on gacha the other day on stream
So? Gacha streams are literally supachat bait.

>> No.27515328

>>27515110
Anon I pay an accountant here to do my taxes and they cost about a hundred euros per annum, it's not that hard here for filing taxes unless you want to do it yourself.

>> No.27515347

>>27515290
Didn't she surprise that Gura still using gimp lol

>> No.27515361

>>27515328
Yeah but Mori is retarded, I wouldn't have expected her to so quickly turn around and hire one like that

>> No.27515370

>>27515284
T-shirt merch are common to flesh streamers and yeah their fans are buying it

>> No.27515428

>>27515370
It baffles me that flesh streamers have fans at all. I thought their audiences had no loyalty and forgot them if they didn't stream for a month?

>> No.27515484

>>27515428
Flesh streamers are mainstream, anon

>> No.27515511

>>27515361
Mori is a different case as she's retarded.
Kiara on the other hand as a yuropean you are expected to file your taxes annually most especially for her case considering her expenses fluctuate and for how much she'll get in tax returns.

>> No.27515514

>>27515484
But aren't mainstream fans supposedly 'free entertainment' types by and large? Or children

>> No.27515577

>>27515428
Are you watching any fleshstreamers at all? I was thinking the same but i had to remember that despite their image not being as marketable as vtubers the still have to have some sort of merch.

>> No.27515800

>>27515577
I just watch Northernlion and Markiplier sometimes. Markiplier's Cloak stuff is obviously a success because he's just that huge and it's more an entire appeal company rather than merch anyway, but I can't remember Northernlion ever shilling merch and its kind of hard to imagine anyone buying it even if he did

>> No.27515868

>>27515800
northernlion literally spent like 40 minutes a week ago for his new merch line, he did another one when he rebranded and he changed the old profile pic to the north kanji a couple years ago

>> No.27515913

>>27515800
I recall Valkyrae releasing her merch and 1-2 days after she posted on either YT or Twitter, selling 20k units of shirt, caps, and something else. No idea if NL can be that big but you would be surprised these Youtubers can have big buying audience.

>> No.27515979

What's gold candidate today on holo's side?

>> No.27516015

>>27515979
Pekor

>> No.27516104

numbers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lBvKI0D3tk

>> No.27516133

>>27516104
15k.

>> No.27516154

>>27515979
https://twitter.com/houshoumarine/status/1544212186934874112?t=BKKu-Bo1Q4v0tGgI_LhgLg&s=19

>> No.27516222

>>27515979
Nothing special tonight. Think we're in for a run of Salome golds

>> No.27516252

>>27516222
mon sat easy nijigold

>> No.27516285

>>27515132
"top" in what sense?

>> No.27516305

>>27515233
Not even trying to hide how numberfags they are kek

>> No.27516340

>>27516305
>implying they ever were
Anon they've been spamming this shit since debut.

>> No.27516356

>>27516285
NTA but probably in the "vtuber with the highest median" sense.

>> No.27516409

>>27516104
12-14k

>> No.27516411

any reason why there`s still no collab for salome ?

>> No.27516439

>>27515233
>650k
>700k
>750k
>800k
>n+50k
Lmao ..... Why are they like this ?

>> No.27516515

>>27516104
20k

>> No.27516528

>Salome gold
>Niji 3D debut
>7/9 Niji koshien lottery
>7/10 - 8/11 niji koshien player training
>7/27 ROF-MAO and ChroNoir concert
>7/28 Mayuzumi graduation
>7/30 CR
>7/31 CR

holobros...

>> No.27516541

>>27512778
>>27513636
petra has good retention overall. it helps that most times its millie who raids her as she streams before her, so they have a shared fanbase

>> No.27516626

>>27508661
There's been more than 30 JP that had collabs with EN, KR or ID members. Its much more than anyone imagined.
But the other anon is right, the time for eops to get into JP members now that there's so many EN, its over. their main audience will be JP audience.

>> No.27516753

>>27516528
>Salome gold
High potential gold
>Niji 3D debut
Depend on which chuuba
>7/9 Niji koshien lottery
100% gold
>7/10 - 8/11 niji koshien player training
Only Kuzuha that have potential to win gold
>7/27 ROF-MAO and ChroNoir concert
100% gold (is that youtube live concert?)
>7/28 Mayuzumi graduation
100% gold
>7/30 CR
>7/31 CR
Isn't the tournament a valorant tournament? I don't know about the potential of gold for this tourney

>> No.27516795

>>27516528
Hololive only has Pekora debut anniversary and Marine birthday. Jesus Niji this month is fucking stacked.

>> No.27516798

>>27516439
Serious though, I am not exactly the type to say "sub doesnt matter" like some shitposters, but most do know that it does have less value as popularity indicator for a channel. So, why do they, and not just them, continue to do these things anyway, showing sub count on stream or the like. Am I really the stupid one, and sub matters, or they are just chasing some metric with little value, for some reasons?

>> No.27516861

>>27506938
Elite English and Peko English are fucking legendary, and Subaru is surprisingly decent at speaking and understanding it.
But I think by default, JP folks have some form of mental block where they don't want to be insulted for being bad at it, which is why they don't use it.
Holos are the exception, not the norm. They don't mind being made fun of by chat, because it's entertainment, and they have an assurance that it comes from a place of love.
For example, the original ELITE was from /v/ making fun of Migo's shit gaming skills, but since the direct translation was a positive, Migo took it and ran with it. And so it became part of her.
She also tries very hard to interact in English, like with Gura for example. The Jaws/George confusion was hilarious, but it wouldn't have come about if Migo was too scared of getting insulted to use it.

Nijisanji unfortunately styled themselves as streamers with Avatars, and pandered to NicoNico culture, which is more oriented towards unironically shitting on the streamer you're watching 'for fun' (just like some Twitchfags do).
And if any liver gives their audience an excuse to shit on them, they will get relentlessly shit on, which needs a lot of mental strength to get through.

>> No.27516874

>>27507458
>Nijisanji is the company for the most deranged autists and people with crippling social anxiety in the Japanese society

>THE tourist centre of Vtubing
>People with crippling social anxiety in the Japanese society
Might as well call all Japanese autist then

>> No.27516881

>>27516798
Subs matter and likely have milestones internally. 50k for outfits and 100k for 3D in nijisanji are some examples

>> No.27516895

>>27507478
>overwatch 2
>buff

Thanks anon, make a good chuckle out of me lmao

>> No.27516918

>>27507458
This is a big generalized shit. It wouldn't be true for hololive either. I have seen a lot of fans on nijifes and they are just normal fans.
the problem is that you all look at 5ch and their accounts on twitter and just like with the fags from /here/, you think it represents everyone, but it doesn't

>> No.27516922

>>27516798
Conquer the algo probably, increase engagement metric etc I think.
But I wonder the forcing subs/comments/likes will have any impact though, but look at how BTS's comment section filled with bot like replies, maybe?
But for now, they are just cashing their hype early.

>> No.27516934

Kobo 10k get

>> No.27516944

kobo's mic quality... wtf

>> No.27516947

>>27515325
Not my point. You are saying they act like they are poor but the Holo I watch certainly doesn't seem like it

>> No.27516980

>>27516528
Kek, did you forget last month when Holo managed to tie Niji with a 6-point lead?
Nijifans never learn.

>> No.27516993

are indogs shitting on ollie with the donations?

>> No.27516994

>>27509346
...idk why but those clips kinda made me sad...

>> No.27517001

>>27516795
It's summer, event month
Not like we didn't expect this. Nijifag been hyping these event up since the beginning of this year
Meanwhile Holo focused all their big event on the beginning and the end of year

>> No.27517007

>>27516934
Very good for 2pm in ID, is there a holiday?

>> No.27517040
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Some things never change

>> No.27517053

>>27508246
>No NijiEN fans would care for NIjiJP. Heck, even the Mayu's graduation news didn't cause much big news on the EOP side of vtubing.
Let make something clear here, while a big chunk of the nijien fanbase dont watch other branches, there are still a fair bit that do watch even before luxiem came. after luxiem came, a lot of the fangirls were already jp fans, to the point they were asking about kanae, kuzuha, fuwa and many more to luxiem in the first months. a substant amount of the boys fanbase know more about other branches than the girls fanbase.
> Heck, even the Mayu's graduation news didn't cause much big news on the EOP side of vtubing.
that is true, but i wouldn't expect that to make noise in the holo or other eop fanbases. the only noise you'll hear about mayuzumi is if you are active on nijisanji english twitter and if you follow jp. maybe in a nijien server with some jp fans.

>> No.27517067

>>27507657
And look where Miko GTA moment got her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ7JC_fHYew

If you told me 3 years a go a Japanese anime girl saying the gamer word would make for legendary meme material I would advise you to take some freaking meds

>> No.27517076
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Susaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnn

>>27517007
School holiday yeah

>> No.27517081
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SUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

>> No.27517114

>>27517053
Woah, does that mean Shibuya Hajime has a lot of fujo fans outside of Japan as well?

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>>27509913
Not simple begging mind you, they act as if it's an inevitability.

>> No.27517157

>>27507872
>Pekora is like the least EOP-friendly JP
I'd argue the opposite. You don't really need to know much JP to enjoy her minecraft shenanigans.
Her other streams, I agree though. Learning JP does make it a better experience, because she's really good at bantering with chat.

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Jesas

>> No.27517195

>>27517116
I hate unityfaggotry

>> No.27517215

Gura easy silver today?

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>>27507478
>overwatch 2
>buff game
in what dimension?

>> No.27517219
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AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MILOOOOORD

>> No.27517232

Milord runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

>> No.27517253

>>27515800
>Markiplier
Hey, desu Mark's more of a VOD creator than streamer (Think Pew and Ai-chan) so he use different metrics

>> No.27517254

Selen will do a collab with Ratna and Chihiro in Overwatch this week
Selen, Pomu, Nina, Layla will do a collab with Amamiya this week because they missed the last minecraft pool event

>> No.27517255

>>27516922
Most likely it'll just get them subs from fans' throwaway accounts so it's not going to help their metrics. It just makes it more difficult to get legitimately big celebration streams due to watering down the meaning.

>> No.27517263

>>27517076
>>27517081
The image makes it look like Kobo is reacting to the drop

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27517277

>>27517263

>> No.27517308

>>27517254
Don't care. Not 10k stream.

>> No.27517325

>>27515233
>>27516439
This reminded me: his last stream yesterday were 600k celebration unarchived karaoke too...

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Holy shit, Kobo 17k, what is she doing now?

>> No.27517337

>>27517277
Bots!!?

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>>27512220
>watch the narukami video

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>>27517219
COME ON AND SLAM, IF YOU WANNA JAM

>> No.27517371

>>27517328
malding

>> No.27517373

>>27516528
That's only 8 guaranteed gold, anon. Even if you give not!Rushia a gold (which she probably will get) to remove one possible gold for Holo, it's still uncertain whether Niji can get the month

>> No.27517408

Will kobo beat gura?

>> No.27517411

>>27517373
Nijifags are still not learning from last month. Even when Salome was the strongest, they still can't win over Hololive.

>> No.27517413

USA! USA! USA!

>> No.27517453

This will be the first ID gets 20k by solo gaming

>> No.27517458

>>27517408
It's not will but when

>> No.27517484

>>27517408
if she reach the top yes, this game has apex style graph
but she sucks and already fall back to the starting point

>> No.27517501

>>27514563
> CMT
> Oboretai

>> No.27517512

>every prii sound is at least 1 dollar
I wish we could track those numbers

>> No.27517524

>Kobo reaching 18k
>Inb4 ID vs EN baits
My body is ready

>> No.27517525

>>27517277
Just checked her stream, is she streaming using McD Wi-fi or some 1999 potato PC or something? Why is her FPS that low while playing freaking GOI?

>> No.27517536

>>27517453
I just checked, Kobo is the only Holo streaming. She must be picking up everyone looking for a Holo stream now

>> No.27517562

>>27517524
The classic deflection since Nijisanji fans can't find any ammo left.

>> No.27517568

>>27517484
Anon this is kobo, the viewers love to see kobo suffering

>> No.27517569

>>27517525
she's using a crappy laptop far away from her wifi in a fucking toilet
that's why

>> No.27517573

KOBO 20K GET

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>>27516515
WHAT DID I SAY?!?!

BOW DOWN TO ME

>> No.27517589

>>27516528
8/31 gold maximum
What else?

>> No.27517616

Man the strongest JP EN and ID are all blue and white women that can't be a coincidence right?

>> No.27517630
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27517630

RUN GURA

>> No.27517643

>>27517588
i kneel

>> No.27517644

>>27517569
Why's she doing that ? For the meme ?

>> No.27517653

>>27517630
I think she peaked higher

>> No.27517658

>>27517616
You might be onto something, Kiara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiM_IpkDHvI

>> No.27517661

>>27517630
Blue waman!

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