/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Blew Ult early
>Didnt just walk out
>Saved by Nurse horsn and walked back into the crowd

>>27477954
How is she still so bad at such a simple controls game after 2 years of playing vidya

>>27473067
Another fun fact, Kronii reaches 3 bubbles at 560% haste. Not that you would ever need that.

>>27478177
>Saved by Nurse horsn

I thought it was Sana's astrology?

Which item collabs are the best?

>>27478342
Myth aren't made to play games

>>27478892
bait

>>27479089
i'm not, are they all strong?

>Kiara talking about shit about the kroniis

damn

>>27479166
Elite cooking is the best by a mile, followed by flattening board (even on non-flat characters), then BL Fujoshi but be aware it loses all knockback when collabed.

They're all good enough for stage. Dragonfire is powerful for what it does but it being directional makes it bad in endless where AoE is king.

Idol Song is the worst one, never take it unless you for some reason are forced into glowstick but already have dragonfire.

Mori is so goddamn strong with the corpse explosion. Do any of the others have corpse explosion-like abilities? The chance to just nuke a whole mob on a regular swing is just too good

>>27478892
overall strength is flattening board and micommet

otherwise, each collab has its strength. Elite cooking for example is perfect for gura since the miasma applies shark bite to virtually everyone on screen

>>27479370
>>27479166
Also, collabs are over rated, never get four, don't even get three unless you're just messing around in stage.

Get two and then focus on stats.

Why is Goober considered top tier?

>>27479432
>>27479166
This is why it's bait. People think Micomet is good despite it locking you out of the objectively strongest collab in the game in Elite Cooking, and also locking you out of BL Fujoshi.

Micomet is only good in stage mode, and only on characters that kite a lot like Kronii because it's damage is mostly front loaded.

>>27479494

CC
self-healing
ranged damage
damage debuffs
damage immunity without CD
speed boost

Thought of a possible kit for Lamy for when gen 5 will eventually get added to the game since I was bored and had nothing better to do, rate it whether it's cool or cringe

New gameplay mechanic exclusive for Lamy: Freeze - lasts for 10 seconds, when an enemy is frozen it cannot damage you and all of your weapons have 5% chance of shattering it, killing it instantly. (with the exception of fire based weapons such as Lava Bucket, MiComet or Dragon Fire which will defrost them instead)

Starting weapon: Icicle - at max awakened level it shoots 4 projectiles at the cone spread with each projectile having 20% chance to freeze an enemy

Ability 1
>Heart of an ice elf - Your attack increases by 5% for each enemy you frozen in the past 15 seconds, up to 300%.

Ability 2
>Daifuku - Summon Daifuku that floats around Lamy collecting exp. On each tick of him touching an enemy deals 75% damage to them with 30% chance to freeze them.

Ability 3
>Drink with me - Every 2 seconds targets within 100px of Lamy have 20% chance to enter "drunken" state for 5 seconds. When drunk, they stop targeting Lamy and instead start wandering in a random direction at the 40% of their normal speed. Drunk enemies take 50% more damage and are 30% more vulnerable to freeze.

Skill
>Ice age - Freeze all enemies on screen.

Her gameplay revolves around the first ability buffing her damage for freezing enemies while the rest of her kit helps out make freezing more consistent. Overpowered, balanced or shit?

>>27479585
BL fujoshi locks you out of solo use of BL books knock back effect

Everything has its use.

>>27479494
She has a dodges, inbuilt lifesteal, and inbuilt CC as her three personal skills.

There's also currently a bugged interaction where the invincibility from plushie triggers when she's contacted by an enemy even when they don't damage her, which allows her to tank Yagoos.

For some reason the ability to survive past 30 minutes is the metric we're using for the measure of character quality when it's only possible with bugs or insane RNG in the case of Kronii, Irys, or (especially) Bae.

Sana and Fauna literally can never do Yagoo's at all, and Kiara not only can't do Yagoo's but also has the least synergistic, least internally consistent kit and feels the worst to play.

>>27479494
Tits too big

>>27479585
I think Micomet is good because dropping meteors onto the stage is fucking radical

>>27479790
Valid.

I hope in the final game, smol ame is surrounded by mobs that have high HP and can't be passed through so the player is forced to run around and fight her

>>27479755
Since I don't want to create the impression I forgot they exist.

Mumei and Calli can get to Yagoo's easily but big numbers is not enough to tank them so they both die right after 30, but both are extremely good at farming stage for coins, in fact the best in the game at it.

However both of them, as well as Ame, lack the tools to tank Yagoos and thus die at 30 in endless.

As long as the metric of character strength is "how long can you survive/how easily can you survive in endless" then the clear character tierlist is Ina > Gura >>> Irys > Kronii > Bae > Mumei/Calli > Sana/Fauna > Ame > Kiara

>people insist Ame is shit
>Kiara's first victory was with her

Which Holo member you want to see in game the most?
I mean outside of oshi stuff, who you think it will make an interesting playable character? For me is Marine and Polka.

>>27480162
Remember the old wisdom:
TIERS ARE FOR QUEERS

>>27480162
>stage

Literally any character with any one collab can clear stage 100% of the time unless you're trash.

Ame isn't even considered shit, only Kiara is.

Ame just can't do Yagoo's and her frailty makes her the second hardest character to get to 30 minutes with.

>>27480216
Korone isn't my oshi but she'd probably the most interesting addition.
I wonder how they would add her yubi cutting obsession into the game.

>>27479755
Fr Kiaras flame trail is too weak, her defense skill is ok, but the dancer passive is too hard to keep up without using a joystick because swapping directions sometimes makes you stop for less than a second thats still enough to drop the bonus damage, which was already pretty pathetic in the first place.

>>27480162
Ame isn't shit but she isn't the best one. At least to me she is beginner friendly pick because Bubba can grab exp for you.

>>27480258
>>27480162
Most characters should actually probably be around the same level as Sana or Fauna.

Ame only really needs two buffs.

She needs her gun to ricochet first, then pierce, instead of the other way around.

And she needs her instant kills to proc on kill effects like Ina gets for AO (a buff that should also effect Calli and would probably make her able to do Yagoos)..

>>27480162
Ame is the beginner characters


>straight forward attack, hits everything it touches and passes through
>good dog collects XP for you
>ult slows down the game and increases your attack rate for beeg damage


Simple, strong, and straightforward.

>>27480216
I wanna see her get some kind of super-collab if you collect all the idol items.

>>27480392
Dancer should decay when not moving instead of reset. That would basically solve that problem while retaining the intended spirit of the skill

>>27480520
The way to implement that is to just make her starting weapon required for it, but that would require the implementation of multipiece collabs which is definitely not a "first or second wave of characters" mechanic.

I'd like to see Awakened starting weapons having collabs though.

>>27479423
The scaling on is balls however, so it becomes irrelevant late game outside of your Special window.

>>27480386
>I wonder how they would add her yubi cutting obsession into the game.
My guess is that you'll get some form of stat boost, maybe haste or/and attack, by collecting them, either like Mori's Workaholic , where they are collected when you kill someone or like Fauna's saplings were they are dropped and you have to collect them.
Feel free to screencap this for the future, because I will be correct

>>27480132
If the metric is "how long can you survive/how easily can you survive in endless", baring Ina's bugged interactions at the moment, Kronii would be at the top of the list. Granted, you can struggle to reach post 30 if RNG hates you, but she is the only character who can reach a point where scaling no longer matters. Everyone else will need to increase their HP and Damage to match the scaling of Yagoos, but one Kronii hits 200% haste she could never gain a single extra level and could still live as long as she chooses.

>>27480829
Fauna sapplings + Mumei History

>>27480132
imagine thinking Ame is in any way worse than Sana for surviving in endless when Ame has instakills. You just spam HP and haste on stat ups and she can at least make it through the first minute. Sana just never can.

>>27480520
>>27480623
Another way to do this would be to just make special cooldown very good on her.

Maybe her special starts an idol performance with a little spotlight and some screen effects (maybe a music change) and causes her non-damage over time attacks to charm all enemies (stunning them and making them take extra damage) and boosts her rate of attack. That would actually make Idol Concert good on her, as an instance of AoE that's not linked to a DoT.

>>27480864
See >>27480896
Ame also does not need to increase damage scaling, just attack speed. The more attacks there are, the more chances for instakills you get. It's just hard to get lucky enough for the required stats. I've only survived past 31min with Ame once.

>>27480453
>nd she needs her instant kills to proc on kill effects like Ina gets for AO
Except Ina doesn't proc effects with the AO insta-kill, she procs them on the Takodachi's "dying" when they reach her. SO all insta-kills act the same; whether that should be changed is certainly up for debate.

>>27480896
She just has an infinitely harder time getting there because Sana doesn't have to play the game at all if she gets milk.

>>27480955
It's not up for debate. Ina's the only character with an instant kill that still gets the benefit of getting kills.

Either it needs to be changed to proc them when AO does the conversion and not when they're picked up (and Ame/Calli need the same buff) or it needs to not proc on kill effects at all.

I'd prefer the former, because this is a single player game and buffs are more funs.

>>27480949
Sure, but there is no threshold for an RNG reliant ability to ever be guaranteed. It's the same thing with Iyrs; she doesn't need to scale damage, but you still are relying on Hope to proc to save you. My point is that Kronii is the only character, working as intended, that can reach a phase in the game where she has a literal perfect defense without the need for any RNG on either skill procs or stat-up offers.

I really hope that the guy who made the suspect remix doesn't take offense to everyone muting the song


it really is good, but listening to it for too long makes it feel awful to hear

>>27480216
anyone but Gen 0/1 they're just so boring and the dev knows that which is why he picked GAMERS first

>>27481013
Ame doesn't have a difficult time getting there at all. She only has difficulty surviving once she's there.

>>27481175
>Migo
>boring
Get outta here with that shit opinion

>>27481104
I'm not saying Ina is debatable, but whether insta-kill procs should trigger items, everyone knows Ina has very busted interactions right now.

>>27481154
Seems thematic to her character, being a borderline malignant narcissist.

>>27481188
She does relative to other characters. It's as simple as that.

That's why she's not bad. She's just also not good.

The only character that's bad is Kiara.

>>27481226
They shouldn't and the dev agrees and already said Ina's getting nerfed.

>>27481275
>She does relative to other characters
No she doesn't. Why do you think so many of the holos do so well with her? There's a number of people that get their first win with Ame because she's actually very strong. All she lacks is something for Yagoo.

>>27480515
And yet some beginners think she's shit because she can't aim her first weapon.

>>27481347
Because she's the first character on the character select and Kay is good at basic game design so he made her the beginner character.

She lacks CC, sustain, movement speed, literally the only things she HAS is damage and a panic button, which literally every other character also has.

People get their first wins with her because she's easy to play. Get back to me when people start getting their first push to 30 with her, or when people are using her to stage farm, or when people are getting the majority of their clears with her because she's in any way the best at anything.

She's not, and that's okay. Every game needs a Ryu.

>>27481173
Don't worry anon, he seems to be pretty happy.
https://twitter.com/eufrik/status/1542216815950307328?s=20&t=2uLtJTM4xushH7A1MaF5Fw

>>27481478
>when people are using her to stage farm
Already there
>people are getting the majority of their clears with her
This only has to do with who people play most, not who is best

She's also extremely easy to push to 30 with. I have no idea what you're on about. Once you have Spider Cooking or Elite Cooking, Detective Eye Lv3 and Nurse's Horn you can stop pressing buttons except on level up. It's that easy.

>>27481641
Anyone using her to stage farm doesn't know how to stage farm. Calli and Mumei are both objectively better at it, they earn more XP and thus more gold.

Ame is easy to push to 30 with, but so is /everyone else/ but Kiara. It's not an indicator of relative strength.

Every single character with Elite Cooking and Nurse's Horn can stand completely still and get to 30.

Saying Ame is good because she can get to 30 with the best collab and nurse's horn is like saying that Kiara is good early game because she has a weapon that can one shot shrimps.

>>27481764
>Calli is better
Opinion discarded.

so how should Kiara's phoenix shield be reworked?

It's really the worst skill in the game. I wish it was similar to dakimura. Her trail blazer skill also doesn't scale with speed

>>27481826
You can hate the bitch all you want, she's extremely powerful in this game post buff and the only person with comparable clearing ability to Mumei.

>>27481764
Yes, tell me how wrong I am about stage farming. I clearly have no idea what I'm doing.

>>27481879
Percentage based contact damage reduction at all times with some kind of contact triggered knockback and damage effect on a cooldown.

>>27481919
>I played a lot with an objectively worse character in an easy mode

I can also knock down a wall with a sledgehammer but I would have an easier time with a wrecking ball

>>27481965
Just take it from someone with infinitely more experience than you with both characters, you don't know what you're talking about.

>>27481919
There's literally no way to prove you didn't just CE that, but you /can/ stage farm with anyone, it's still objective fact Mumei is the best at it, followed by Calli.

>>27481919
You are good on abusing the gold bug, congratz anon

>>27482001
It's not objective nor did you test anything.

>>27482043
Mumei's ability to collect xp from range with with Friend while keeping still, stops the xp from getting spread out as far as any other character meaning on average she get's about 9 more levels than other characters (Calli's ability to farm the timed waves means she gets about 5-7 more depending on Death proc RNG), Mumei also doesn't have to pick up coins thanks to friend untils he already has maxed Superchat. Likewise Mumei's awakened feather is enough for her to stand totally still until 19:00 at which point she then needs exactly one collab.

She also requires no specific items in order to do all this which lets you get exclusively the lowest upgrade level passives enabling you to start picking up coins faster than anyone else, and with fewer levels required for survivability.

It's /objective/ that she is the best farmer because of all of that. She simply has the ability to gain a higher amount of gold than other characters.

>>27482256
Lots of theory, no practice. Ame is better in my /experience/ (that you don't have because you have not tried stage farming with her, all you did was read plebbit)

>>27482366
You mean your experience booting cheat engine and editing in 999999 gold.

Get a more interesting oshi and you won't have to lose arguments about how good she is in a fan game.

>>27477954
>Headphones is an Aloe reference
>Defends you from taking one hit
>Aloe took one hit to her career and died.
what were they thinking

>>27482549
Technically it has a chance to defend you from a hit. Clearly she had bad RNG.

>>27482571
maybe it has 100% chance of failing vs a Nenechi type enemy.

>>27481441
that is a significant limitation, yes, and I honestly don't understand why it's there

>>27481999
>>27482366
>I can totally take this dude down in Third Strike with Oro
>Fuck Chun Li I wont lose to someone spamming dmk

I have heard fags say shit like this since the mid 90s and deveryone fucking one of them is a stupid poser that insists they found super secret magic awesome powers because they are so fucking special that it ignores everything everyone has has found because they are a special little snowflake that is just better than everyone else

You played a single player game with an easy to complete mode a lot. Good job. You could do the same grinding with Kiara and a vibrating rainbow buttplug that doesnt mean you found something that plays "Better" than Gura.

What's the best way of farming coins, stage or endless?

>>27483698
Stage, Mumei, see this entire dumbass argument for the past like 20 posts.

>Chuba: I don't know what to pick
>Chat: Take a bunch of defensive items in stage mode
>Chuuba: Fuck, I died at 19 minutes again!
Every fucking Holocure stream.

>>27483826
chat is dogshit

>>27483826
Theres worse like grabbing Uber Sheep and thinking they can depend on it to stay alive

>>27483698
see
>>27482256

>streamed HoloCure
Anya
Botan
Fauna
Flare
Fubuki
IRyS
Kaela
Kanata
Kiara
Korone
Koyori
Kronii
Lamy
Lui
Marine
Matsuri
Miko
Mumei
Noel
Okayu
Ollie
Pekora
Polka
Reine
Risu
Roboco
Shion
Subaru
Suisei
Watame
Zeta

>streamed Vampire Survivors, but not HoloCure (yet)
Aki
Bae
Chloe
Choco
Gura
Ina
Iroha
Luna
Mel
Moona
Mori
Nene
Towa

>hasn't streamed Vampire Survivors
>probably have no interest in streaming HoloCure either
AZKi
Ame
Aqua
Ayame
Haachama
Iofi
Kobo
Laplus
Mio
Sana
Sora

Ame and Sana might be interested to play it though.
I mean, the game does have them as playable characters.

>>27481879
maybe it builds up damage and then explodes when you take dmg

>>27483902
Someone should tell Choco that her item is one of the best items in the game.

>>27483902
Im waiting on Goop-Goop to inevitably play but I also wanna see Aki do it as well

>>27483826
Lol, it happened again.

>>27484334
It's what they get for assuming a semirandom collection of 20,000+ people are capable of giving good advice about anything.

Is Sana the easiest girl?

My god Kiara is the saltiest ive ever seen anyone playing this game and its amazing content.. This is like Kroniis rampge after getting outsmarted by Fauna in MC good

>>27484418
Nah that'd be yer mum mate

>>27484418
Like in the game or in general? Mori is probably easier in both cases, but specifically in the game so are Ina, Gura, and Mumei.

>>27483902
Moona has said she won't play it until ID is in.

>>27484418
For first time stage clear? Ina IMO. Mumei too if you have her. Sana is middle of the pack.

>>27484514
Now you understand, it's not about winning.

>>27484599

>>27484514
I've been living under a rock. Got a link?

>>27483902
Moona played VS?!

>>27484737

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRAWRxnrpUM

My god it was great. She was having a great run as herself got EVERY fire themed thing possible and was leveling great. She was excited she started playing her own BGM and then BAM one bad move into the Q wave and now....ereerily quiet

Kiara is mindbroken...

>She's still taking glasses
This salt deposit is going to run deep.

>>27484903
I already have the Kiara stream open. I meant the Kroni clip you mentioned.

>>27484602
Why Ina? I feel like Sana is better because strafing doesn't matter.

>>27485055
Ina is literally invincible.

>>27484963
If she manages to win she'll feel it good.

>>27484903
>when life gives you lemons...POISON THEM!
She broke hard...

>>27477954
Suggestions for getting to Yagoo wave?
I keep getting my ass kicked at 27 minutes

>>27485170
Step 1: Git
Step 2: Gud

>>27485055
Free kills/healing from AO, free personal shield from Void, one of the stronger beginning weapons, and short cooldown on her special.

>>27485170
>play Ina
>look at items on players stuck in post 30+ soft locks
>do it

>Fucking "Mad World"

>>27485237
AO also gives her double xp currently, and has a bugged interaction with no less than three items that all make her stronger than she's even supposed to be.

>she died

poor desk-kun, lol.
Kiara is P I S S E D

>Died again

>>27485305
Didn't know about the double xp bug.

I gotta say, Kiara suffering is even better than Kronii's

>>27485459
Im sitting her with my wife with both of us tearing up laughing at her misfortune and talk of sandwiches. Its amazing but in the back of my head I feel a little guilty about it

>>27485022
Nta, but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipyfH8Y_PuI
I would still recommend watching all 3 povs if you have the chance tho, they are an experience worth watching in it's totality

AAAAAAAAAAA I STILL AHD HEALTH

>>27485580
Best part will be if she finally makes it, then plays as Calli and watches Death just steamroll the screen. You just know

>>27485670
I hate it when that happens.

T_T

Shieldbeats...

>I DON'T WANNA PLAY THIS GAME ANYMORE!!!
>I TRIED. I TRIED. I TRIED. *sniff* *sniff*
>I'M A SAD PICKLE
glorious salt

Holy cope

>>27486119
>Pickled in her own tears
Funniest shit I've ever seen.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I WANT SANA I HAVE LIKE 8 FAUNAS AND BAES AND 5 OF THE OTHERS BUT NO SANA

>>27481641
>>27481826
>>27481919
>>27482366
Decided to do a few stage runs after reading this and... I kneel.

As poorly optimized as Holocure is, I'm still shocked at how badly Kiara's PC played it. What kind of potato does she have?

>>27486630
Meanwhile I got Sana 7 times before getting IRyS.

If they add more levels you could have some themed challenges like Ame v Kronii, Sana v Ina, or Kiara v Mori. With the holo themselves being like a final boss. Though collab weapons for "ships" could also be fun for endless mode.

>>27486976
Bear in mind that aside from running the game, her computer is also both 'streaming' and using a realtime 'live2d model'.

If this poorly optimized game is already lagging on even high end PCs with RTX 3090 graphics cards, you can imagine how much laggier it will be if your pc is also streaming a live2d model at the same time.

>>27487001
i'll give you 2 Irer for 1 Sanner

>>27485234
>>27485254
Ok I did it now i'm stuck with 2FPS and I just can't fucking die

>>27479624
I like it, feels like a Kronii not locked to perfection with sprinkles of Fauna mixed in.

>>27486630
Sana was the first gacha that I got.
Ironically, I still haven't played as her yet. I pulled Mumei and Kronii and pretty much ignored Sana.

>>27487801
Turn off visual effects and damage numbers. You can use cheat engine to kill yourself.

>>27487894
I find something sarisfying about playing Sana and stacking as much AOE as possible to cover the screen in crap

>>27482925
It's simple, it would mess up the animations if it could shoot up.

>>27479624
Add a skill where any enemy she touches become a lamy that fires a random weapon then returns to lamy and heal her and it's good to go

>>27477954
>play any other holo
>Knightly Milk pops first few levels
>play Sana
>Knightly Milk does not exist

>>27487390
Isn't she on burgerland right now? Just using a laptop and not her usual setup?

Has anyone run into the game not starting? All of the sudden I get an error when I try to start the game.

>>27491379
I swear that Milk specifically has like a 0.00000001% drop rate.

>do the Inafinite build
>one hour later I can't fucking die
Help

>>27486976
>>27487390
aside from this anon vehemently trying to defend Kiara by blaming the game or the setup (how many Holos already streamed the game without as much trouble? counting Anya of all things), the reality is that we don't know how bad Kiara is at managing her software and she's probably running some devious shit or just plain blotware, Botan might have helped set it up but after that... who knows

>>27483902
Haachama will probably play when people remind her to

>>27480386
I pray to Matsuri that her special ability is the BFG from Doom.

>>27493416
You got what you asked for. Why are you not happy?

>>27493416
What's your HP? When I tried it earlier today I died at 31:00 with a bit over 300.

>>27495644
867

>>27495885
So I was just way too low. What's the threshold to actually sustain on Yagoos?

would an option to continue from stage mode into endless mode be a good idea?
i sometimes get a good run while on stage mode that i wish i could continue after killing smol ame
of course continuing would mean the risk of losing all your coins like normal endless so there would be no benefit to choosing this over normal endless

>Irys mascot design with Sana
Will they update irys fans in the game?

I wonder if there would be some way to make the game co-op

I really want my oshi in the game despite knowing she'll probably be one of the last gens added. I wonder what her ability would be. I imagine her primary weapon will be her whip, but I don't know what kinda personal upgrades she'd have access to. Hawkeye Mode doesn't seem like it'd do much in regards to her weapon.

I'm so close to 30 minutes with Sana...

>>27497072
They might take a page out of VS for her evolved primary weapon.

https://vampire-survivors.fandom.com/wiki/Bloody_Tear
https://vampire-survivors.fandom.com/wiki/Fuwalafuwaloo

Does anyone know if crit ever maxes out? So like at 100% crit every shot is a crit right? Does the game still give you that stat upgrade?

>>27496760
It'll be a while, but I assume so. They still need to update Sana's into her bread dog things.

>>27498816
Yes, it will keep offering crit as a stat upgrade and you can over-cap on crit, but it does nothing.

>>27499265
damn just managed to get an infinity run, so i was hoping i could just let it idle and that crit would disappear but i guess that was wishing for a bit much

>>27498350
You only need 1 collab (I used MiComet), then just stack knock-back items.
Start running in a straight line after 25 minutes or so.
Drop Body Pillow or Piki for Full Meal.

>>27483902
ame said she might play it tho? its in her just chatting stream right after the off collab

is it better to max out cutting board for zoning, or do you need flattening board for damage?

What's the consensus on Gorilla's Paw? To me, it seems like an autopick unless you're specifically aiming for a crit build. Am I wrong about this?

>>27501329
>Am I wrong about this?
Yes. I mean it's fine for stage I guess, but crit is the single biggest damage boost in the game, and the bonus attack is fairly small. And as far as endless goes its a literal stat trough, making it statistically the worst item in game.

>>27501579
I suppose I was talking more about stage mode, I haven't lasted long enough in endless mode to get the endless stat boosts yet. It seems pretty good on the Fauna Tree+Horns build though

Gura HoloCure tomorrow

>>27480216
I want to play as this bitch. I still miss this bitch bros.

>>27480216
I want to see what comical nonsense Pekora gets up to. Same with Nene.
>captcha: RHANT

>>27502541
uoh

>>27480216
I want to play as this bitch. I still miss this bitch :((

>>27502608
Nene is actually pretty interesting to think about because she doesn't really have a signature style I guess. Like even in the HoloAlt thing, her skill was "bait". So it feels like there's no defining element to draw from, which kind of opens her up to some off the wall potential stuff.

>>27496212
400 hp and 100 haste.
If you want your coins at all don't go over 500 hp

>>27502937
Isn't Nene's whole thing A. Being a Seal and B. Having lots of husbands?

I can definitely see Nene's gimmick being summoning husbands to attack and defend.

Which would probably be super great for endless.

How is this still a thread? The game is good, but very repetituive and not even remotely deep. There's no real secret techs and indepth strategy. The game is very limited in terms of content. Updates aren't being pumped out at a rapid pace at all.
I genuinely want to know how the hell a general for it can continue to exist for so damn long.

>>27504088
Holos are still playing it, so new people are still popping up. The general will probably die once its no longer played by the girls. Shouldn't be long until then.

>>27504266
I think we've arrived at the point where we're out of Holos who are going to play it. There was a giant rush of them all picking up the game, but now there's very few members left.

Before the 20 minute mark, you use anvils to strengthen collab weapons or just level your other shit?

I can't escape

>>27504406
Yes, the end is very near. Was fun, maybe we'll get new threads once we get a new update in 1-2 months.

>>27504485
I have zero hope for consistent updates. I'm imagining the dude'll drop the project sooner rather than later as he grows bored of it and sees all the Holos move on.

>>27504425
Have you tried killing yourselfwith a cheat engine.

>>27504638
No

Occasionally they'll manage to get to me around half health... maybe at 3 hours they'll scale high enough to kill me

>>27504406
Still 24 holos left that haven't played it according to >>27483902 plus maybe some Stars. 24/7 holo members playing Holocure is over, but I expect there will still be at least one daily for the rest of the month.

>>27504879
Oh, right. I forgot about Hololive EN. I really want to see them all play through it especially if they get to play themselves. Except Sana. Fuck Sana.

>>27504957
Mori's playing tomorrow according to Twitter.

>>27502937
Nenes themes are
>Being an Alien
>Husbandos
>Some sort of Bear/Seal
>May be dumb but determined and kept applying to Hololive
>Super Nenechi

>>27504595
I mean he worked on it for months before releasing this demo, and it's far more popular than he expected it to be. I can't see him dropping it too early though I'm also not sure he'll get through every gen and holostars before stopping. Depends more on how easily he can add new gens - one of VS's strengths was that the dev made is simple, even for its genre, in order to make adding new content easier.

Even with VS, which he was already aware of, it became a game that players and streamers alike just come back to when there are updates. Which is enough in its own way. It's not like he's making a 200 hour RPG and expecting every holo to play through it to 100%; Holos playing it, exhausting the content, and only coming back for new stuff had to have been within his expectations.

I was so close to reaching Yagoos with 1 HP Kronii.

>>27504088
Sometimes anons just want a comfy thread about chuuba related vidya without schizo shit flinging and twitter screenshot bait posters. It's the same reason why other chuuba game related threads like Divegrass and Holofightz are comfy and sportingly fun.

Iofi will be playing

>>27510466
lofi is as cute as a button

https://twitter.com/kaynimatic/status/1544140088220602370
> yeah I've planned to buff Kiara a while back, even before Calli's buff! But my plans for Kiara's buffs are even more drastic than Calli's, so I'm pushing farther back

>>27510466
Iofi should have a Tenga skills

https://twitter.com/kaynimatic/status/1544095934904033280

>>27480162
Reine won with Ame on her second time playing a round.
Anyone that plays fighting games competitively will tell you that you should never ever fucking look at tier lists from reddit or twitter.

>>27480216
It'll be fun to see what they come up with for Luna

Well my INAfinite run finally ended

The game froze and brought up a code error window so I lost 100K coins

I think I'll just grind coins the normal way next time

>>27512634
I mean, Ame is easy to get through stage with. Her skills are straight forward, and her ATK modifier is the highest in the game. But most people who bother making tier list for this do it based on endless runs, and Ame just doesn't have any defensive tools for that.

Is the Gorilla Paw +50% ATK or is it a different bonus?

ugh finally
so far got to 30 minutes as Mumei and Gura

So plushie is just broken, in a sense that it can just randomly stop working and you'll die instantly no mater how much hp you have, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it?
I had a perfect run with Kroni, 600 hp, 150% haste. Died in the first 15 seconds, in a single frame, from 100% health to zero in a downtime between bubbles.
Next i played Irys and had just a horrible run, 390 hp before Yagoo, no chance to do anything. Survived for 2 and a half minutes, while being fucked in the ass by 50 yagoos at the same time. I only reached 600 hp at 32 minutes.
I wasted my time. I'm done with endless runs until the next big update. Better to just farm gold in stage mod to buy Gamers.

Is there any ways to survive past 30 with Mumei?

Is Mumei still the best one to use for coin farming?

>>27512612
Well, that's good. She could really use the rework since she's annoying to play and still the weakest. Calli was more frustrating to play for beginners but Calli did have a more coherent kit even in the first version.

>>27515663
I totally no scoped the reason Kiara doesn't have an in built revive is because he was saving it for a Kiara themed item like 4 threads ago before those files even got datamined.

>>27515341
I've seen a screenshot of an infinite Mumei build using BL Fujoshi and haste stacking to make an impassable wall but it's total RNG whether or not you can get that far before Yagoos one-shot you

>>27515877
BL Fujoshi has no knockback so it would have to be something else making the wall.

>>27515317
I don't think the plushie itself is the issue, rather something about the item effects resetting on level up. Irys is dependant on nurse rng even with plush working properly though, so enough bad dice rolls in a row and you inevitably wipe

>>27516037
Irys died pretty "fairly", just no Hope or Horns procs for 2 seconds. 600 hp oneshot at the first Yagoo wave with Kroni is a complete bullshit. Completely killed my will to even try again.

>>27515072
It's +40%, but it's actually a better pick than wine/tea for characters that don't have high crit, crit dependent skills, or Mumei-tier attack buffs in stage mode. Problem is it mechanically breaks half the characters. Ame, Calli, Bae, Kronii, IRyS, and possibly Sana if you count astrology, all have skills that depend on crit or give substantial crit buffs. Mumei gets enough attack that picking wine is more average damage. I kinda see that trend continuing with new characters.

At least it's not energy drink, the most useless item bar none.

>>27486976
5800X cpu, 5700 xt gpu. Her computer literally crashed because of YT chat while troubleshooting her stream crash problem on someone else's outfit reveal, with no obs running, so there's almost certainly something unstable about her system that rears its head in certain workloads.

>>27516275
I like to use energy drink to lower hp and buffer asacoco injection effect

>>27516391
She downloaded too much ram

>>27504088
anon there are generals out there with less posts per day that are still active, we are still hitting bump limit in less than a day so this place is plenty active enough

Some new comments from Kay about the charcter designs and possible reworks
https://old.reddit.com/r/holocure/comments/vrl3gm/loose_thoughts_and_feedback/iewsr6s/

>>27520232
Based in all respects.

Glad to get some direct feedback to the conversation. That eases a lot of my concerns.

>>27520232
Very interesting. Thanks for the link.

https://youtu.be/1Dy0q6l6_v8 Iofi later

>>27520232
I think Calli could have kept her deadzone if it didn't grow with area increases. Half the problem was new players upgrading her scythe first (because that is the obvious thing to do) and then it getting worse, especially when the player has no shop upgrades or gacha ranks and can barely outrun enemies.

https://youtu.be/-Qb9q1fAWFM Marine Holocure later too

>>27515921
It's a wall because it instantly kills anything that touches it. Mumei's damage is bugged and scales up to like 4000% during Yagoo phase so if you have constant 360 degree damage it will one-shot anything that gets close to you.

HOLOCURE MORE LIKE HOLOCANCER

>>27521380
gottem

>>27520232
>his favorite girls are Pekora and Polka
It's amazing he's shown the restraint to only maybe have Pekora referenced by just TNT and Polka with nothing at all. Seems like he's trying his hardest to shown no bias at all.

>>27521613
At least until they get added and because they're so late and he needs to escalate character power and complexity slightly with each release Polka gets to be the most ridiculous character in the game until HoloX comes out.

As she should be. Clussy strong.

Head cannon. Fubuki is being included with gamers as we all know, but we'll also get Kurokami Fubuki with Gen 2 as a completely separate character since Fubuki is the only holomem listed on the official talent page twice.

>>27521707
I'm just glad Polka and Pekora are his oshis so we know he's got some pretty good motivation to keep working on the game, and to do so at a decent pace to get to his long eared circus waifus.

>>27521801
>Kurokami Fubuki with Gen 2
Anon... your Gen reps

>>27522765
I meant Gen1, you know what makes that even funnier? I was literally looking at the hololive official website when I typed that.

https://youtu.be/I16ZrgXBzJ8 Flare holocure later too

>>27521230
starts in 20 minutes btw

>>27523112
I love how many of them are coming back for seconds.

Rare for fan game stuff.

>>27521801
She'll just be in both groups to pull from.

fucking hell
last item pick with no rerolls was daki, gorilla, energy drank and credit card, the run was perfect otherwise

https://youtu.be/-Qb9q1fAWFM
https://youtu.be/-Qb9q1fAWFM
https://youtu.be/-Qb9q1fAWFM
Marine holocure

My future prediction is that Luna's skill set will revolve around base-building.

bruh i pulled sana, bae and mumei 5 times, fauna 4 times, irys 3 times and didn't get one (1) kronii
is she op?

>>27491780
Pretty sure she was back when she started playing it.

>>27499193
No fuck that. They should not indulge Sana's mental illness over her god damn dog. It's not healthy to obsess THIS MUCH over a pet.

Senchou's going to suffer if she doesn't master strafing with kronii

>>27524149
I mean, that's her official fan mascot design now, the bread dogs. So it would replace her worm thing friend

SENCHOU YOU DUMBASS

Nothing beats a Ground Pound

How do you play games regularly, as part of your job at that, see a shadow around your character and not immediately think to walk out first?

isn't Sana's worm more like her pet, in the same way Kronii has a snake and Fauna got that little green deer? they should be more like Bubba or Friend

Is there a limit to the number of EXP items that can appear on screen at any one time? Looks like some of them disappear if there's enough of them on the screen. Am I losing out on EXP by standing still?

>>27525144
one could argue that the Elite Cooking and flashing lights of the BL books makes it hard to notice
she could have also have just let it happen because it would be funny

>>27524744
>Replace Worms with Bread Dog
>Sana finally gets around to playing it
>She kills a Bread Dog and this triggers her and causes her to melt down and graduate
Based?

>>27525150
Its more like a demigod associate.Id probably compre it more to Lunas butler

>>27525204
Why would a Seiso Idol like Marine let Ame sit on her face?

>>27525204
I think it was clear enough. She also saw Ame jump, so it wasn't a case where Ame spawned off-screen and jumped without ever being visible.

>>27524077
Kek. I'm glad I got lucky and didn't have to go through this gacha hell.
I unlocked all of them rather quickly. For me, it was:
got Mumei twice.
got Kronii twice.
got Fauna twice.
and for Bae/Irys/Sana, I got them once.

>>27525158
Dev commented on reddit that he already has a system in place that condenses XP drops, but he did it differently from VS so it doesn't all stack into one gem. We can probably assume that the value of xp over the spawn limit is added to existing gems in some way but he didn't get into the specifics of how it works.

>>27520232
It's amazing how people talk about this sort of game like it's deep and technical like DOTA or something

at this point, are we supposed to be believing that these Holos haven't seen or played this game when they finally get around to streaming a few rounds? The initial fun was seeing them react to the reference items, enemies and collabs, but unless they've been living under a rock and actively avoid watching their fellow members' streams, they've already seen it all. With there only being 1 unchanging level, watching certain ones die at the same parts becomes tiresome.

>>27525521
They avoid watching streams of games they're going to play

https://youtu.be/1Dy0q6l6_v8 Iofi

>>27525521
I mean, I do the same for games I'm interested in playing.
I try to avoid spoilers as much as possible until I experience the game myself. Otherwise, I won't enjoy them as much if I already know what all the surprises are.

>>27525471
It's not mechanically deep but it's more systemically deep than any other game in the genre. Each of the characters having five unique properties beyond differing base statistics means that there absolutely is a concept of "builds" and "kits" like there would be in a MOBA. In fact 5 different systems working in tandem is usually what a basic MOBA character kit consists of, it's just in this context it's mostly 3 passives and 2 "actives" rather than the 1/4 split you see in MOBAs.

>>27525655
Does anyone actually like Iofi that isn't actually /from/ Indonesia? She's the least interesting holomem in terms of personality or appearance outside of the ultra-vanilla older JP girls.

>>27525655
Bets on Iofi choosing Gura on stream?
Those 2 always ignore each other.

So Glowstick+Fanbeam looks cool but it doesnt seem anymore damaging than any other collab and hitting randomly in smaller areas than Micomet?

>>27525814
you can learn what items are good and what are bad in a manner of hours and then you've solved the game
at least Holocure has tank builds and damage builds, which is a step up over Vampire Survivors which just has damage builds

>>27525931
All collabs are pretty much the same except Elite Cooking which stacks a lot and the cutting board one which does more damage than the others

>>27525873
Most of her fans aren't from indonesia, actually. If anything she has one of the most international audience amongst the IDs. Her issue is the same as Kiara in that she can speak several different languages but whenever she switches language she filters out a good third of her audience who only knows one of them

>>27520232
If he's a JP fan and not an EN fan, howcome he made EN first?

>>27525966
I always figured Iofis problem was she started streaming less right when EN blew up and didnt pick up as many EOPs as Moona/Risu and didnt carve a niche for herself with them past a few mentions of Erofi

>>27525873
I fell in love with Iofi after her performance at 3rd fes

>>27525966
Kiara speaks 95% English, she stopped trying to do Japanese at the same time a few months after debut

>>27526024
Iofi started streaming way before EN, she just speaks 3 languages and has an annoying voice

>>27526044
and yet she streams predominately during JP times

>>27526024
that's part of it, yes, but really her main problem is that she does the kiara thing where she says one thing in English, then repeates herself in indonesian and maybe Japanese and that filters alot of casual fans

>>27526117
She streams in EU times, she moved to Austria
Did you just hop out of a time machine from 2020

>>27526024
the artists of the gens are usually the most boring

>>27526075
Yes I know that. Before EN hit alot of them got a little niche due to speaking EN but it was Hololive EN that really amped it up. Moona got Minecraft autism and Risu had NNN but Iofi lagged behind. I dont remember seeing much of anything from her when I started watching circa Gen5 and IIRC she wasent streaming much that Fall

I could be wrong trying to remember to everything in thgat living hell of a year though

SHE DID IT

>>27525931
in terms of surviving Endless, it's better to not collab things with knockback, such as the books and board.

>>27525935
That's a problem of us still being on the literal first content build of the game. As more characters with more niche abilities and more specific or less generally stat-bally items get added it'll change some of the items (hopefully most of them) from "bad" to "good on X or Y but shit on everyone else"

The planned content for this game includes every girl in hololive, if we exclude the maybe's and the what ifs that means there are 11 more "banners" to be added to the gacha store with 3-5 girls each totaling a final character roster of 56 characters

45 of which are not in the game yet, if even half of those characters get their own items added into the pool a year from now this game will be unrecognizable to what it is now.

>>27526253
Even if you have 50 characters, a VS game will never be "deep", because you only have one obstacle, enemies that spawn and run at you
There isn't really different enemy types or a map to traverse

>>27526308
A coop would be nice

what the shit is wrong with Iofi's resolution?

>>27526308
That's not true to literally any game in the genre. Enemy variation is absolutely a thing in VS and even more so in the ones less artistically limited like Minutes Till Dawn.

It's just that's all we have now, if Fubuzilla can have a beam we'll probably get some genuine enemy variation when he's had more time to work on stages.

>>27526359
>Enemy variation is absolutely a thing in VS
Yeah there's normal enemies, bosses, and that annoying red skeleton that doesn't die when you kill it
All you do in VS is max your weapons, what the enemy is doing is irrelevant

add enemies that can shoot projectiles and we can have a nice bullet hell stage

>>27526392
There's also enemies that shoot projectiles.

VS is an extremely different game from Holocure though, it's designed to be an exponential growth simulator.

>>27526426
You mean "very slightly different" not "extremely different"

>>27526308
I mean, there are still elements of things to consider with every character. Things like Haste making Kronii or Mumei god-tier level, while being an almost completely worthless stat on Sana and Fauna. Dev also mentioned something about a way to scale the starter weapons better into late game, which would heavily benefit Mori or Ame, but again be worthless on others.

>>27526426
Projectile shooting enemies also came later in development and much farther along than Holocure is right now with tis 1 stage

there are the timed event mobs that rush across the screen or try to encircle the player
if they are made immortal, your weapons would be useless and you will be forced to always dodge them. add them more often and in random patterns and the concept of playing afk will be minimized

>endless
>Marine still doesn't have the cutting board unlocked

>>27526470
I don't think you understand how different two copies of the exact same rogue-lite or RPG can be when one is based in a linier scaling system and the other in an exponential one.

It's "very slightly different" in the game Metroid is "very slightly different" from Megaman.

>>27526534
Metroid is an exploration game, Megaman is an action game
Holocure is Vampire Survivors except you can do a tank build aswell as a damage build
VS scaling slightly harder doesn't affect the way you play

>>27526529
Based Marine ignoring Ina

>>27480162
Adding to this, even though it's late, ame has something no one other character has. Bubba.
The damage is good but he also collects exp for you, without the need for range upgrades, making it super easy for a beginner to get a win

>>27526576
Metroid and Megaman are both action-platformers, one just has exploration and the other a stage select but it doesn't effect the way you play.

>>27526671
Mumei has a pet

>>27526693
the fact that Metroid is about exploration absolutely affects the way you play

>>27526671
Friend is Bubba but he does something other than collect shit.

>>27526737
It affects the way you think about it. The gameplay is still moving across a 2D plane, shooting enemies, and avoiding hazards.

It's the exact same as Holocure to VS. They have the same basic gameplay but how you think about them is radically different resulting in them being very different games.

Sooo, I may have done a fucky wuxky and over levelled my health.


What's the scaling rate yagoos? It seems like I'm killing them before they do any damage

>>27526800
>how you think about them is radically different
No it isn't
First of all VS doesn't even scale that much harder than Holocure, it has a few more stats that affect your global damage but that's it
The only significant different is like I said, tank builds
But if you think just altering your build is "radically different" you lack perspective. You're just picking the skills that increase your damagte the most, or picking the skills that increase your tank the most

>>27526911
20% of their base stats per minute additively, not multiplicatively. Welcome to hell homie.

will any Vshojo or Nijisanji vtubers stream Holocure?
You'd think that with Pomu being a huge Kiarafag, she'd be all over this.

>>27526957
Have you like not played VS in 4 months or something?

>>27477954
Will Kiara do any funny skits for her Birthday?

>>27527089
I played it yesterday

>>27526978
I've set up a macro to at the very least pick the coins for me and I've been just letting it run overnight, aaand ime not dead yet.

>>27526989
No chance Nijisanji will. VShojo already have, as per your screenshot.

>>27526989
I want to see Salome plays holocure

>>27526989
I wanna see Kson play and constantly talk about how awesome intelligent big tited and beautiful that "Coco" character must have been and how she would like to collab but they are both too busy to ever get into in the same room together

>Died at Smol Ame
Yopi...

https://youtu.be/I16ZrgXBzJ8 Flare live now

>>27515341 (me)
>>27515877
>>27515921
>>27521287
so i did try and this happened, i think friend is bug when you reached 100% haste or sth.

>>27528451
forgot image

https://youtu.be/2Hr1vn-uMR8 Sora holocure in 30

>>27481441
>>27482925
To teach you the importance of strafing

>>27528451
He is, at 100% haste it removes his cooldown, so he just spams weapons non-stop.

>>27481441
>>27482925
https://old.reddit.com/r/holocure/comments/vrl3gm/loose_thoughts_and_feedback/iex0fa4/
>Personally I honestly think it's the opposite. I think locking their weapons to be horizontally only makes them EASIER to play, and I still believe this to be true. By locking it to be horizontal only, it requires less precision input from the player, less aiming, because you always know exactly where it will fire (you either face left or right). So then it just boils down to the player having proper positioning, such as rounding up enemies to your left or right. This allows the player to focus more on moving and dodging. For example, if I'm Amelia, and I just line up my character with the enemy's left or right, there is literally 0% chance I will ever miss. This may not be the case with Gura, Ina, Kiara, or Calli (to a lesser extent). This will be even more evident during stage 2, which is a long horizontal corridor. I'm 100% confident of this decision and I have zero plans to change that, sorry.

>>27525999
I can see that, when he started to think about making the game, EN was still at their peak. 6 months ago when he actually started development, it would be easy for players to recognize EN over Gen 0 or even 1, and since he also worked in a lot of things for hololive like the Q video, he pretty much found very easy to do kits and playstyles for EN.

>>27529287
He's not wrong, but it's just that by making them only fire horizontal you are raising the skill floor but lowering the ceiling. Characters are less dynamic that way, and makes them more reliant on early weapons rather than relying on their main one, especially with enemies like Fubuzilla where horizontal is the only danger zone.

I think he should just skip JP gen 0/1 for they are not even interesting

>>27530109
nigger

>>27530109
>Newfag detected

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>>27531082
>>27531082

SODA-CHAN IS PLAYING RN