/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Update when?

>>27417205
>Enemies shouldn't resist Ame special like they do normal slows.
I don't see any enemy resists Ame special's slow effect

>>27433856
5 minutes

What are the known non-Ina records right now?
I heard someone used Irys to reach 3 hours. How did that happen? Any videos?

>>27433779
Missed an ongoing stream my bad
Kaela: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRRKAXMmbIU

Ame Special stated to have 15 sec duration, but in reality it has only 10 sec duration

Is it bugged right now?

>>27433876
You better not be lying to me. I am bored and need more content NOW.

>>27433971
Its going to be a while
https://twitter.com/kaynimatic/status/1541854016161755136

>no nurse horns or plushie
shes ngmi

>>27434211
Should've skipped the sake.

I can say, with high but not certain confidence, that letting the holozon box animation play out results in more coins. I've seen as much as 407 coins from a single box, but I've never seen above 210 if I skip the animation as soon as possible. Depending on how the values are distributed I could be wrong, because I definitely have seen extremely low coins out of boxes when the animation played out, but I am pretty confident.

Can't fool me Holozon shill

is she actually going to reach 30?

29 minutes pain peko

>>27435087
spoke too soon

wtf mooms is a metafag

>>27434128
Why not take donations then? With that he'd be able to work on it full time.

>>27435230
You mean he should make profit using Cover's IP? Not cool anon.

>>27435230
My dude, he's an actual industry animator. He's not going to take a hiatus from that for a fan game.

>>27435230
He can't monetize a Holo fangame and accepting donations in order to exclusively work on it is effectively monetizing it

Does she have the highest Holocure record in Hololive now?
She survived for 29 mins

>>27435230
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/vjfea9/comment/idkalfb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

>body pillow and dress every time
I can't watch anymore

>>27433860
Use her special at 26 minutes or later, the enemies are slowed, but not by nearly as much as they should be. Enemies at that point resist all soft cc like slow and knockback, but stuns still affect them the same. Which is fine, just feels weird that a special ability is subjected to that as well.

What do

>>27435230
>324.2K Followers
>Needing anything from anyone
Anon... that number is unironically above gatcha artists, what can't they buy?

>>27433879
Gura's gone over 2 hours plenty of time. Kronii can go infinite if you manage to real 200 haste before Yagoo kills you. I've seen one Bae managed to go infinite. As for Iyrs, furthest i've seen is ~50 minutes, and i doubt she'd manage much more than an hour unless you get super lucky, due to her scaling.

>>27435499
She made it work though

>>27435554
Depends on occupations and situations, not all fame can be converted into profit.

Does this game act like VS where excess exp gets combined into one gem?

>>27435685
Nope

>>27435602
Irys got to 3 hours.

>>27435554
>Correlating followers and money earned
Animators, especially those working on JP anime are notoriously badly paid

>>27435685
im pretty sure it does the opposite and some start to disappear for lag purposes or something

Who in Hololive holds the record for surving for the longest time frame?

>Body Pillow
SNGMI

>>27435510
>Enemies at that point resist all soft cc like slow and knockback
Are you fucking kidding me. I was trying to make a Sana build around her knockbacks to get to 30 minutes, have I been wasting my time?

>>27435778
It's Mumei for now

Full meal or headphones in last slot
which one has higher value here?

>>27435997
headphones my dude

>>27435972
>When an enemy is knocked back, it travels to the opposite direction based on the strength of the knockback. However, if at any point during the knock back duration the enemy collides with another enemy or an environment obstacle (e.g. fences), the knock back immediately stops (the other enemy knock back is also stopped, in the case of colliding with another enemy). There are also armored variations of enemies that are immune to all forms of knockback.

>>27435346
>>27435554
Never really knew how big he was.
>>27435419
>>27435299
Those rules still confuse me just because you always see people selling unofficial Hololive stuff online and at cons but I guess as long as it's not damaging then Cover doesn't seem to mind.

here's 3rd birb strim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPVr3je_N_Q

>>27434945
yeah me too, i never skip box animation anymore ever since i knew that

Kiara has a frame up

>updated: 4 days ago
dead game

Is mumei good in endless?

a fun thing to do as Mumei is to max her skill that raises her ATK for every enemy on the screen so the wave before smol ame and then later phases of Endless, check how crazy high you can get the number

>>27436317
She can reach Yagoo.
That's all.

>>27436304
>last update: 4 days ago

what are gura's ideal collabs for post 30mins? I ran only ran elite cooking, due to a string of bad RNG, and i still got to 30 mins, but i wasn't confident enough to push through the min 26 waves because I didn't have something like dragon fire to proc shark bite more.

>>27436333

Playing with a controller is pretty nice

>>27435972
I tried that too. It's the pain we all go through.
The only meta is facetanking and healing faster than they hurt you. Maybe with dodge and instakill.

>>27436625
what about Kronii maxed Haste and Speed
I gotta go fast

>>27436784
All depends on how much you can increase raw stats. You can't depend on the perfect health buffs tho.

>>27436518
That is the ideal collab, just EC. It's all you need, and you get 7 extra stat boosts per collab you don't take. Literally any character can go EC and nothing else, use the extra levels for stats, and survive to 30

>>27436158
is she holofags? her voice doing things to me

She did it!

>mumei admits to muting suspect
>infront of the artist who made the remix


What a chad

>>27437288
Should listen to her ASMR if that's your thing.

>>27435419
they should give him some free merch.

>>27436137
the mama's and papa's of hololive make merch of hololive talent and sell them all the time, as far as selling hololive themed merch, as long as its not just straight up bootleg stuff, cover probably doesnt care.

finally got sick of baby sitting the level ups and cheat engined my way out. new challenge is trying to get 1 HP Kronii to 30m mark.
Got cheesed by Smol Ame on my last run, she must've landed right within the very edge of my hurtbox or something.

>>27438376
Cover had asked Mizuryu Kei to be the artist for Hololive Alternative.
Cover asked him to stop doing ero doujin.
Artist sperged and cut ties with Cover.
Somehow his Marine ero doujin was taken down from DLsite.

>>27436137
You can sell Holo related merch, as long as it's not at production level capacity, like needing a warehouse/storage unit to store the merch for rxample

>>27437292
Now the cat is out of the bag and all the other Holos will know about Yagoo

Does the cutting board lose its bonus to ina if you collab it?

Oh no, Mumei's stream will never end now. What have you done, Hoomans?

kek why is hooman chat so stupid
flattening board is better than asacoco bomb

>>27439089
It's so Mumei can actually die past 30 mins.

Did Mumei fall for the meme build?

>chat telling her to do 4 collabs instead of 3
It's over

>she still wants HP
STAHP, MOOMS, THINK ABOUT ANIMAL!

RIGGED
she should be fine

MUMEI NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Oh wow, she actually died. Good.

>you can't die
>dies
kek

>>27438647
Cover did not ask him to stop doing ero doujin. They don't care about that. Mizuryu Kei wanted more money after Hololive blew up in popularity.

Did the game get an update sicne the cali nerf?

HOW she died with that

What were the stat benchmarks Ina needed to be immortal again?

so what stopped her from achieving Inalock here?

>>27439698
400HP/100 haste I think?

>>27439734
Needs more HP and Haste.

You need *fewer* collabs. Each collab makes you waste 7 levels to make it stop giving weapon choices. Pick wisely.

So can any characters besides Kronii, Ina and Gura survive Yagoos?

>>27439916
I've seen screenshots of Irys going infinite. Supposedly Bae and Fauna can get really far too but I haven't seen them going infinite. Sana could probably go infinite with high enough haste but getting there might be impossible.

>>27439734
low hp because she's too greedy with collabs.

moomers with glasses is very cute.

How do you kill yourself (in game) once you reach immortal status?

>>27440196

>>27440034
I've only seen the one 3 hour screenshot, and it's a completely different setup than what's known to work for the 30-60 minute runs. Could be that his luck held out long enough to pump stats past the point of death but there's definitely a gap where you're at the mercy of the game no matter how well you build before yagoos show up

>>27440196
Use cheat engine or level up speed enough to outrun the takos

>>27435419
>actually has integrity and sticks to it.
Mad respect to the guy. Its gotta be hard reject easy money but then it becomes a liability towards everyone donating. Its a fun little game but its gonna be fotm just like smol ame was.

Stop making holocure threads until Yagoo is removed

>>27440196
Google how to kill yourself in holocure

>>27440298
Yeah the only character that seems to be consistent is Ina. I've gotten pretty consistent with Kronii but all it takes is one bad set of Plushie + Headphone RNG and Yagoos will just one-shot you.

>>27440196
Don't take too much hp in the first place, then take coins for an hour when you want to cash out, and run around.

>>27439644
Either way Kei fucked up. Raita and redrop know when to tone it down and have thrived. And trying to gouge any JP company for more money is a effort in futility.
Should of just bit the bullet and negoated higher price for next time.

>>27440528
?

Using that strat Mumei used and this is pretty sweet afk simulator

Does anything happen if I get crit over 100%?

>>27441812
The Ina strat is a trap. I hope for your sake you didn't take HP and haste too high. Once you go infinite you have to cheat engine your health to 0 because quitting from menu will not save your gold.

>>27441967
You crit all the time

>>27435419
Real reason; Copyright yab from Vampire Survivors if he monetizes it

>>27442439
No, VS itself is a copy of another game which wasn't the original in its field either. You can't copyright a game genre.

>>27442439
Yeah, no
VS itself is a bunch of asset grab, not to mention HoloCure run on a completely different engine with a fully made assets
You can't copyright idea

>>27435419
Pure autism if true but hey as long as the game is finished and stays free I won't complain

>>27442439
VS basically uses copy pasted Castlevania sprites I doubt they care. There have been other VS likes, I dont think there is any grounds to sue

I give up. Damage just doesn't work in this game or something. On paper i should do like 8x damage of the normal build but i still die instantly and can't kill the first wave. It doesn't make any sense.

>>27442439
you cannot copyright strike a game that has similar gameplay.

>>27442847
yagoo gang are meant to be the run ender anyway. Any character besides Ina getting passed them is a crapshoot especially without G20

Time to watch Phoenix suffer with her character

>>27442847
how are you guys getting to the end that quickly? do you just have everything in the shop upgraded?

>>27442957
Wait, that's in 12 hours

>>27442957
Kiara has the largest and most awkward deadzone now. I think the dev should be more careful with disjoint hurtboxes, especially on the default characters. Calli's at least made sense even if it was annoying to play, but now she is one of the few who can hit directly in front of herself while Gura, Kiara, Ina, and I think Kronii can't.

>>27443153
Gura and Ina have Blind spots? I never noticed.

Why is the Sana enemies Yatagarasu's with hair instead of bread dogs

>>27443397
Yeah, it's small but if something is right in front of you they can't hit it. Gura's is large enough to fit an enemy inside it without it hitting you, but I think for Ina at least the enemy will be close enough to hit you. Would have to do more testing, can't be assed right now.

>>27443500
No one actually watches Sana, anon.

>>27435299
Correct me if I'm wrong but apparently the rules are that you can't monetize projects from their IP but you can ask for donations?

>>27443686
:(

>>27442882
I'm 100% crit, 250% damage and 70% haste as a Bae with both collab weapons at +3. It wasn't a perfect run, but pretty close. If this can't outdps yagoo than nothing can. And if so, there is literally no reason to play any character in endless that doesn't have some extra healing or damage prevention skills, so you can abuse plushie and horns. We knew it before, but still. LAME.

>>27443025
What do you mean?

>>27439769
>You need *fewer* collabs
>>27438543
X

>>27442439
>>27442530
>>27442745
Horde survival games have existed long before Vampire Survivors. Vampire Survivors just put you on auto shoot as there actually wasn't ever a point to not shooting it turned out. You can trace its lineages to hundreds of zombie horde survival flash games if you tried as standing around in an open field while infinite waves of enemies come at you until you eventually die is actually a long standing genre. I guess another unique though also technically unoriginal thing VS did was put 2D platformer Castlevania weapons into a top down horde shooter.

Which makes me wonder when we'll get VS knocksoffs that even start introducing base building going back to the original zombie horde survivor games.

>rolled every character so far
>max out all upgrades in shop
>unlocked all items including collabs
>made it to Yagoo
So.. do I just grind the gacha for a month while we wait for the next update?

>>27444127
You can get to Yagoo with all 11 characters. They can all do it with varying degrees of difficulty.

>>27444127
Try play other fangame, such as: Deadbeat, Holo EN Rhythm Game, Smol Ame, Gura Tambourine or Mumei no Toshi

>>27444127
try making it to yagoo with 1 HP. the daki feels like cheating but past a certain point its useless anyways, if smol ame or anything after her so much as grazes you its an insta-kill anyways.

Guess the only thing that can stop Ina now is the heat death of the universe.

>>27444087
i literally played box zombies to death as a kid/teen

Okay I'm invincible with Ina... now how do I keep the money

>>27444641
>how do I keep the money
you don't

>>27444641
kill self with ce

>>27444127
Play a different game. Its a demo anyway

>>27444127
Beat endless with everyone and save coins for the next gacha

https://youtu.be/TRRKAXMmbIU Kaela

>>27444793
How much do I need to get all the upgrades? Or should I just ce the upgrades

>>27445293
You don't need CE for the upgrades. save.dat is just base64 encoded text. Decode it, edit whatever you want, re-encode it.
If that's too complicated: https://www.saveeditonline.com/
It's in C:\Users\YOURUSERNAME\AppData\Local\HoloCure

>>27443862
You can't out-DPS Yagoo
you can only out-tank him

>>27442847
Damage multipliers are fucked due to weapon base damage never increasing
All weapons seem to have between 10 to 30 base damage, leveling them up only increases that weapons multiplier additively.
Your damage bonus and any anvil upgrades are additively added to that multiplier, that means most 20% attack boosts probably only add 2 to 6 damage per hit no matter how high a level the weapon gets

>>27444307
That's an absurdly low number of coins for all that time.

>>27446088
Bae is special because her crits are x8.
Or at least they are supposed to be.
That's why i decided to force damage run. But even with 100% crit chance she still can't do shit. Something is fucking wrong with the game. Yes, she does more damage than Irys, for example, but it's nowhere near close to 8x damage she's supposed to be dealing. Maybe i'll try again later with numbers on, so i can see what her real dps is.

>>27446495
It's not something wrong, it's a deliberate decision.

The game is, at least so far, not supposed to be the same level of power trip that VS and other games in the genre are.

The main reason for that is that almost all scaling in the game, with the exception of crits, is additive.

The lack of damage multipliers stacking multiplicatively means that scaling is linear rather than exponential, which is why the enemy scaling is ALSO linear rather than exponential.

Every single build that can survive Yagoos is doing it because of bug exploitation.

I'd unironically prefer if the ability to survive the Yagoo wave was treated as an indicator of imbalance and lead to the characters involved getting nerfed.

>>27446495
I think Bae's purple crits are only 4x on a weapon's base damage, or maybe it does multiply on boosted damage. I'm not sure since Bae's damage multiplier doesn't get very high without Face Mask and AsaCoco
Something else I've noticed, Mumei and Sana's skills seem to properly multiply the damage boost, it's not difficult for Mumei to get 500% attack boost on the 19 minute mark. And Sana's skill seems to boost attack by nearly another 100% with just Knight's Milk alone

>>27446495
I've noticed there's something weird with damage too. I haven't tested it so I can't be sure but I think enemy HP either scales very slowly or not at all. For the purposes of explaining Lets say an enemy at 30 minutes has 100 HP. I suspect an enemy at 40 minutes might have something like 110 HP. So you very quickly run into diminishing returns on damage increases. The largest DPS increases probably come from increasing your hit limit or increasing your haste. A x8 crit multiplier doesn't actually translate to 800% increased DPS if a regular crit already one-shots enemies.

>>27442439
Gameplay mechanics aren't copyright protected. Mcdonalds has more grounds and capability to sue this game than VS.
>>27446735
What bug does Gura exploit? As far as I understood, I was getting by with triple evasion features plus triple healing features plus several +HPs obtained through extra levels from +XP, all intentional.

>>27435419
I know it's irrational but it really upsets me seeing someone who does something well not get monetarily rewarded for it.

I got Ina down to almost half HP once. Hopefully in several hours I can actually die.

>>27444127
Play something else, but come back every so often to stock up on coins for Gamers.

>>27447341
An extremely American mindset, caused by a lack of people well off enough to be motivated exclusively by their passions.

If it's any consolation Kay /is/ monetarily rewarded for the things he does well, he's just also making this game.

>>27447323
She's currently getting the invulnerability from plushie even when she dodges a hit. The plushie is still counting misses as contact for it's invulnerability with is definitely a bug.

>>27446735
I play PoE, i know the difference between multiplicative and additive.
First, Bae literally has a build in 400% multiplicative modifier. At least if we can believe the words the game is telling us.
Second, no other character can get 100% crit chance under 30 minutes. 50% is probably realistic for most, except ame. It's another 25% multiplier.
Third - i don't know how "enemies take increased damage" supposed to work in this game. In theory, she have another 20% multiplier from her 3rd skill.
Fourth - even if additive bonus has a diminishing returns, it only maters for big enough numbers. Bae is scales with crit and has no build in flat damage abilities, so she should be less affected by this than any other character.
tl:dr - Bae should have way higher dps than she currently has if this game is working properly. Something is probably wrong.

>>27446776
There is no way it's working this way. It would make it that at 100% crit chance any damage increasing effects don't do anything at all. If it does work like this than it's broken and should be fixed. I'll test it later.

>>27446808
I literally insta died to yagoo with 100% 8x crit, because i couldn't one-shot him. Actually, i couldn't even two-shot him, or tri-shot him.

Got Sana to Yagoo, but unfortunately no amount of haste or knock back lets her keep the hoard from instantly consuming her.

>>27444267
I'm starting to wonder if it's even possible. By the 25 minute mark the waves just get too fast for you to avoid or keep out. You have to face tank at least a bit of damage.

https://youtu.be/_zXSDcNC1E4
Enter

>>27443500
Why are Ame's enemies bubba instead of investi-gators?

>>27449296
I like her ASMR but I really wish she'd cool it on the GFE enabling. Her viewers are the weirdest parasocial fuckers.

>>27449154
There's some characters who do enough damage that by the time you get to smol ame, no enemy will ever get close

>>27449422
Kiki is way worse.

Got another Bae run to Yagoo with the same build, this time with numbers on. Extended crits just don't work properly. They do scale with increased damage, they just don't multiply crits x4. In midgame if average crit is 100, than average extended is like 250, but it's supposed to be 400. Sadly couldn't check difference in the late game, because i caped my crit.
Also, holy shit damage in this game is fucking random. No wonder i instantly die to yagoo with glass cannon build, damage difference between maximum and minimum hit is like x3. Just 1 mob you roll 3 minimum hits against in a row and you dead.

>>27450036
The extended crit must mean 4 times your base damage, which is consistent with the damage numbers I can see

>>27450036
>In midgame if average crit is 100, than average extended is like 250, but it's supposed to be 400.
It's 4x damage, not 4x crit damage. Base crits are 1.5x so a 100 damage crit is 66 base, which is 264 as a 4x crit. That's close to your 250 number. Bae puts out the most damage but the game doesn't really reward it right now, she'll get a bit more experience in stage mode from more kills on the last wave and maybe 2-3 more levels than Mumei at best, which isn't worth the slower early kills for farming. In endless it just doesn't really matter since anyone will get enough levels and Bae doesn't have the sustain.

>>27450215
>>27450645
You probably right.
Also, i tried checking crits with spider cooking and literally all of the crits are extended, even though i had like 70% crit chance. Pretty useless, because you still want 100% crit anyway, but strange bug.

I'm laughing at holos that post screenshots of their win as if they just beat elden ring or some shit.
This game is easy as fuck

>>27451411
Anon, holos are pretty bad at videogames, let them have it. It's not about the skill, it's about being cute.

>>27451208
I thibk that the big crit numbers have draw priority over the small ones, and the graphic is bigger, so the small damage numbers get buried beneath the large ones

>>27444307
Pretty sure anvils crash it somewhere around the 7 or 8 hour mark.

>koreans and gura are the only ones that can deal with yagoo
also you can't go complete afk with kronii because bubble rng is a bitch but unlike ina you can cash in your coins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRAWRxnrpUM

Will she clear this stream?

>>27452576
In one hand Kiara is an awful character. In other hand her autoattack is pretty strong. Depends if she's going to run into pack of mobs like a retard or not, i guess.

>>27452795
she's one of the better ENs at vidya, and beating Ame is just a matter of making one good collab

>>27452914
>she's one of the better ENs at vidya
She's probably the worst of myth outside of maybe Gura if we're ignoring rhythm games.

>>27452503
i tried three times today but i didn't make it past the 30:45 mark. it sucks because it seems like i make it through a wave or two of yagoos so i felt like i had it but then the heals just don't come and i die. do you have an hp/haste target for the 30 minute mark? were you able to chain time bubbles by the time yagoo showed up?

>>27447323
>gameplay mechanics aren't copyright protected
Outside of Katamari, that is... kind of a funny story

>>27453029
for this run specifically no, around 500 hp and around 120% haste when I hit the 30 min mark. You really have to pray for item procs a bit and try not to run too far from one place because elite cooking's damage areas can stack allowing you to kill yagoos faster to proc horns faster.

>>27452503
You can cash in with Ina, just don't touch Haste and only get ~500-550hp. Then you die after around an hour.

>>27452503
You can start to AFK when your haste reaches like 350% without perfection on. Your clock hands start going so fast that everything around you is just perma-stunned if you stand still.

>>27453029
600+ HP going into Yagoo is ideal. 500 is doable but if you get bad RNG you'll get one-shot and there's nothing you can do about it. You'll never have overlapping bubbles at the 30 minute mark so you have to just get as much HP as possible to survive during bubble downtime until you get enough haste to start overlapping.

>>27447323
>Gameplay mechanics aren't copyright protected.
They totally can be, but it has to be specific mechanics rather than vague genres.

Future items/collab predictions?

>>27435230
If he takes any money then he won't be able to add Rushia without getting an ass reaming.

>You're only allowed one collab
What changes?

>>27443862
almost like the game is balanced around Stage Mode

>>27443153
Mori still has a deadzone, it's just very close and also slightly offset

>>27453633
nobody uses anything apart from elite cooking

What's the collab ranking?

Okayu holocure coming
https://youtu.be/S1S-wSQbfVk

>700 hp
>died in 1 millisecond
Game is gay.

>>27453502
that's a patent

Nothing impressive but I'm glad I made it to 30 with my favourite character

>>27453582
credit card and super chat item seems an awfully obvious item combination

>>27454619
Cutting board > BLfujo > rest

I haven't updated my game in a bit.
Is there new updates since Calli got buffed?

>>27455832
Under 1000 HP is total RNG unless you're playing Ina. All it takes is one of your items not proccing and you will die instantly.

https://youtu.be/Tfklxi5pM6A Botan live now

>>27453582
Fan Beam+Idol Song feels like they should go together.

>updated: 5 days ago
disapPOINTED

I've had three runs where health up refuses to show up, really annoying.

button...

Botan is about to smoke mumei's record, probably reach unkillable.

Not enough HP i guess

>>27459219
nvm shes getting to many weapon upgrades

BOTAN DID IT

Botan i kneel....

So, emergency balance patch tomorrow?

Oh shit she's going to go for 30 on every character

botan...

I think I'm gonna miss seeing powerful rigs enduring the feeling of being a super saiyan taking a dump if we get some kind of big optimization update.

A hag always knows best
Also how fucking resource intensive is 30 mins if Botan's monster PC can't handle it?

>>27459729
GameMaker Studio is just like that

>>27459488
>4 collab weapon
Ina is just too powerful

>>27442693
I dont understand what you find autistic in what he said

>>27459708
Supposedly he did a lot of work optimizing it before the demo, doesn't seem to have helped. Or if it did help, it must have been much worse before. Without knowing game maker studio or the code for holocure, I still have to assume the bottleneck is in the rendering code. It shouldn't be chugging this badly on at most a few hundred enemies and a few hundred projectiles, and the fact that dropping damage numbers makes such a big difference (as opposed to collision checks, which you wouldn't be able to turn off) just makes it more likely to be rendering rather than game logic. It's less likely he'll figure out a way to substantially speed it up unless he was leaving something obvious on the table.

https://youtu.be/S1S-wSQbfVk Okayu first time playing

Took a break for a day but what's up with the other holocure thread?

>>27459488
is botan the first holo to try the inafinite build?

>>27461375
I think Mumei tried earlier today too

>>27461126
What about it?

>>27461126
>the other holocure thread
schizo-kun?

>Stone Mask equivalent for more enemies to help strong early game chars have a late game, and for late game char to scale up faster
>Anvil chance up in upgrade shop
>Banish Upgrade in shop
My big 3 wants in the game atm.

>>27461756
stone mask is the more coins item, are you talking about the skull?

Botan got to 30m

>>27461830
for the second time this stream

>>27461375
Mumei tried yesterday with Ina and got past the 30:15 mark but she still died.

>>27434128
That Jesse guy is a huge fucking faggot

>>27461886
Oh I got here late, gomen

>>27462153
no worries

>>27462134
I understand the sentiment, but actual crunch is objectively bad for game dev. It's stupid to assume that an unpaid independent dev would be crunching /himself/ though.

>>27434128
I got like 20 hours out of this game and you're telling me I get another 20 just waiting for a a month or two? that's a steal he should take as long as he need

>>27461756
I personally just want some sort of invulnerability mechanic after leveling and picking up deliveries. It's a minor thing but it helps things not feel unfair.

>>27462255
Retards like him don't give a shit about devs, crunch or even the games themselves, only about looking good on Twitter and spewing out every gay thing he reads on Kotaku. Faggot is probably replying to every vtuber he can saying they should form a union.

>>27461932
fucking how...

https://youtu.be/_zXSDcNC1E4
Starting

>>27462724
who?

Does HP regen actually matter in the Yagoo waves? Or only max HP?

Trying to decide how to prioritize powerups

>>27462775
The only EN GFE chuuba

Finally got health to drop, is Gura also unkillable like Ina when you have a certain amount of health?

>>27463022
sounds exactly like veibae
explain

Jesus christ this what this cat does to my dick.

>>27463136
sir this is a holocure thread

>>27463022
>Her oshi is Mori
I'm going to give this Nene girl a chance but this is a bad first impression.

>>27463192
She's streaming it right now dumbass.

>>27462805
You need at least 500 hp, beyond that prioritize hp regen
Not that it matters much because honestly ina+plushie trumps everything else

>>27461826
You're right my mistake.

>>27463281
sir the horny posting thread is two blocks down

I thought the fat cat would do a lot better than this tbdesu.

>>27462805
You need enough max HP to not get killed before your HP regens and enough HP regen to out-heal Yagoo DPS. Which one you prioritize and when depends on what character you're playing.

Wanted to go for the milk but ran out of re-rolls.
I guess piki piki is for the endgame then.
My weapon rolls were quite shit, still can't figure out if MiComet + Cutting Bomb or MiComet + Inhaler AsaCoco is superior, and I'll take any run regardless of when the goggles come just to practice.

can irys tank yagoos?

>>27436784
Perfect Kronii is fun but doomed in the endgame due to just too many fucking enemies to dodge, even abusing hardcore+asacoco they'll just overwhelm you with asacoco 5, mask 3 and triple collab plus all the crit and atk buffs you can get

>>27464441
Not consistently, I don't think. Someone had an hour run last thread or so.

>>27463022
Kiki exists too

okayu is almost at small ame

>>27466305
I'm honestly surprised it too her as long as it did. Figured she'd fare better than most of the other holos.

>>27466523
she took a very long time to understand that she needed to run away and not try and outdamage the deadbeat circle

>>27463119
No. Gura will eventually get outscaled, but it can take a while depending. I had Gura at an hour with probably ~1500hp, and it took another 30 before i got stomped. But she doesn't have the takodachis playing fucky with her items and creep block.

>>27464344
Micoment is worse than Elite Cooking on Iyrs, so you're already gimping yourself there. Hell Elite Cooking is all you need, then just focus on HP ups and hope RNGjesus likes you

>>27464505
Nah, Kronii easily reaches 30 minutes even with 1 collab just by moving into your bubbles. You'll get Perfect back up almost instantly each time. Only issue with Kronii is getting enough Haste before 30 minutes to have close to perma bubbles, so you can avoid the Yagoo smash.

>>27467151
No AsaCoco? She easily outheals that shit, then again who am I to talk as a 28 minutelet
I shall explore your tips right now.
>>27467243
I have haste maxed in the menu, from there it's just praying to the reroll gods I'd assume?

>>27464441
Yes, but RNG on stat-ups will determine how well. She needs a lot of HP since Hope doesn't actually block the attacks that trigger it. But on the flip side she is not as damage reliant as some others, since she gets healing from her kit that does not require kills.

>>27467282
>No AsaCoco?
Iyrs is less damage dependent because Half-Angel and Hope don't require you to kill anything. And the way enemy spawns work new Yagoos only spawn when one dies, so it's not like lack of damage will get you more overrun. She may fair better with 2 collabs instead of one, i haven't fully tested, but she needs a lot of HP so the less you can get away with, the more stat-ups you can get.
>it's just praying to the reroll gods I'd assume?
Pretty much. If you can manage ~130% haste before the Yagoos, with a bit of luck you'll be able to use Plushie's invuln to move between bubbles. By ~165% there is almost no cooldown between bubbles so you should be relatively safe, barring some unlucky RNG. At 200% bubbles will start to overlap, so you're pretty much golden.

>>27467509
>If you can manage ~130% haste before the Yagoos, with a bit of luck you'll be able to use Plushie's invuln to move between bubbles. By ~165% there is almost no cooldown between bubbles so you should be relatively safe, barring some unlucky RNG. At 200% bubbles will start to overlap, so you're pretty much golden.
Goddamnit and I thought the bubbles are useless (they killed me in hardcore-no hit runs before) and 80% haste was plenty, time to practice

>>27467576
Bubbles are the only thing that allows Kronii to survive. Milk makes them bigger, so always worth grabbing. I've been working with 1 collab to try and rush stat-ups, and then using ult to clear hordes/swarms for more XP. So far the max i've managed pre-Yagoo is 150 i think. But Haste seems to be the least offered stat-up, so RNG will really determine how well your run goes.

>>27467765
yeah, haste is rare.
I've been trying with 1HP (Asacoco won't hurt the shield) and the daki but that daki gets useless around 25 mins.
Kinda stoked for the update, I don't watch EN much at all.

I hope Mio is done classy and they don't just make her barf everywhere

>>27468171
>barf
each time Mio eats a burger she has a 10% chance of creating a "puddle" that does 200% base damage

>>27468381
I realize this is a bit, but it'd need to be 100% fully upgraded to actually be decent as a skill.

Mio's skills should be based on Tarot cards
or she can throw them as her weapon

I know the game is more like a passion project and side hobby but I hope it doesn't take that long for them to add new characters and features. At least the team has cared to fix minor stuff since the demo was released.

>>27468786
Next patch is planned for about a month and will "feel impactful", which likely means a second stage, new items, and Gamers (and maybe Gen 0)

>>27468786
I mean it gets tons of free attention now and the holos themselves love it, either Yagoo might throw some cash at them to sell it himself or they get quite the nice reference on their CVs, either way good work usually pays out. The game is very functional, only hardcore nerds like us may find small adjustments and tweaks worth to look at for about 2% of the casual playerbase.

IRYS HATE

>>27469023
Too many collabs bro. Dump flattening board and Light stick and that's ~280 HP extra you could have had.

>>27469213
NO
IRYS HATE

>>27468897
Where was this said?

>>27469465

>>27434128

>>27469547
Honestly I am fine with this. I honestly I expected a new update in at least a few months, if not longer because I knew it was a side hobby thing and not their job, literally zero money making this and I am sure they are busy with other stuff.

But I am really happy they care this much about this game, a ton of effort and love was put into it and even more with how they plan to add every holomem eventually.

does the pikipi man stack with the injection, asin perm buff effect?

Also if i dont buy the increase food drop upgrade, will the chance of coins dropping be better?

>>27470141
No. Hit and damaged are two different effects. It follows the same activation rules as plushie and activates on contact with anything the game counts as an enemy whether it damages you or not.

You also shouldn't get UberSheep because it's the worst healing item in the game and currently only exists to be a noob trap that tricks you into investing 5 levels into nothing.

It'll be better when girls with food synergy get added.

>>27470380
>>27470141
If you're asking about the shop upgrade I don't think it's an appreciable difference even if they do share a pool.

>>27453100
I heard nemesis system from Shadow of War is patented, too. I yhink it's retarded, tho. It's just reoccurring enemies ffs.

>>27470598
The patent is specifically on encounters with enemies altering their behavior and appearance in later encounters, with procedurally generated elements. It's incredibly specific, like most gaming patents.

It's still stupid though, you're correct.

>>27435404
If he makes a ko-fi or patreon with zero holocure branding on it cover cant do anything about it. cry about it lol

https://youtu.be/kRAWRxnrpUM Kiara in a bit

>>27470929
While that's true, he also makes official animations and art for Hololive, so doing stuff that might annoy them is a bad decision.

He made the Q music video, not that anyone on this board has seen it since it has Mori in it.

>>27435404
>>27435299
>>27453627
>>27470929
God I swear people keep claiming this every time we have this discussion. Read the guidelines properly, he's entirely allowed within them to ask for donations or even set up a patreon. The only thing he isn't allowed to do is to charge people money for it, as long as it remains on a "hobby" level, and asking for donations definitely is, he's clear.
And the guidelines are super vague anyway on purpose, so it entirely boils down to how much cover likes you. And I think we can safely say that cover likes him alot.

>>27443804
yes

>>27469213
IRYS HATE

>>27471488
People like to pretend that the only reason anyone would ever do anything for free is if they had no legal way to monetize it.

Most people on this board are American's what do you expect?

>>27471673
skill issue

post to scare a holocure player

I want to do the 30-min mark Ina run. Any advices and/or warnings?

>>27471837
If you ever want to die keep your HP below 500 and your haste below 100%

>>27471687
Its not that anyone thinks he has ulterior motives, moreso it is rarer than hell to see a game that is completely free and not monetized in anyway keep up an active content/update cycle

>>27471888
Got it.

>Plushie
>Horn
>Full Meal
>Glasses
The usual right?

>>27471837
exactly 30 minutes? don't take plushie and you're good

>>27472084
Then what do I replace it with then?

>>27472343
anything lol
reaching 30 isn't hard anon

>>27472397
The hard part is not overbuffing yourself to a point where you can't die.

>>27472397
Yeah, but my luck is shit. So, it's better to have a plan in mind.

>>27472495
the plan is don't take plushie
holy shit you fucking retard stop asking

>>27472520
Chill dude. I'm just asking, no need to get pissy.

>>27472575
you're asking the same question several times
contain your autism

>>27472078
This >>27472084
is referring to the fact you'll instantly die at 30:00 without plushie, if your goal is to go beyond 30 but eventually die you got the jist, just don't go too hard on your stat totals.

The thing keeping you alive is plushie being procced by the endless Tako parade so you're always invincible. The parade is only endless if you have enough haste, and the taps from Yagoo will never kill you if you have over 700 HP, so below 500 is the point where they'll kill you after about half an hour.

>>27472606
>the same question several times
This is my first time asking for help, don't confuse me with someone else.

>>27435419
>>27442439
Realer reason, the guy who made it is already rich as fuck or something. He's not in it for the money.

>>27472629
Thanks for expanding more anon.

>>27435419
>No monetary incentive
>Complete pure passion
This game will have its final update after 6 months. Such a shame.

>>27467576
Here's a Hasteronii run I just did for you
>https://files.catbox.moe/69k39z.mp4
Starts at 140% haste, you can see about 1 second gaps in the bubbles, but Plushie/Headphones lets me scrape by.
>https://files.catbox.moe/70ban3.mp4
And here's 240% haste, you can see the bubbles are now overlapping momentarily. Downside is that you are a slave to your bubbles, but at this point I'm functionally immortal, and can die whenever I want by just stepping outside the bubble.

>>27472783
Yes, he's an extremely successful industry animator, that's correct.

>>27472956
You haven't followed enough fan projects if you think monetary incentive makes that any less likely.

>>27473481
Name 10 fan projects from the 2020s that stayed active and completed after a year+ life cycle.

also obviously has to be completely free with no paypal/kofi/patreon links on any SM and completely out of the alpha/beta/demo phase

Kiara is lagging with a few enemies onscreen. Imagine how the Shieldbeat wave or the last minute is gonna be for her

Kiara isnt bad but dancer is an annoying gimmick. even with max stacks she doesnt even feel that powerful

>>27473837
I don't think ti's a problem with the game it's a problem with her PC because the lag comes in at regular intervals regardless of what's happening on screen.

>>27473898
Kiara is consunsus worst character in the game. Fixing Dancer to decay instead of completely fall off is a start, but her kit would still be super weak even with that. I expect her to get majorly reworked/buffed in the next update like Calli was.

>pick RANGE first
lol whut kiara

>>27470380
>>27470549
ok ok

is everything past the 30 min mark just yagoo or does it change it up? like death in vampire survivors?

>>27474160
Fix dancer and add something to here shield gto make it more worthwhile and she will be good. Shes not complete ass or anything and Kiwawa right now is doing alright because of her easy to use basic and fairly good base stats

>>27474399
It's Yagoo all the way down buddy

I can't believe this silly little game is exposing all the toasters in Hololive.

>>27474399
100% best girl.

>>27474469
The fire trail is the most useless ability in the game and I really don't see any way to save it with a simple buff.

>>27474622
>I really don't see any way to save it with a simple buff.
change the damage to 500%

trailblazer and dancer need to be completely replaced

>>27474622

Scaling radius and damage based on her Sword? Maybe let it spread at higher levels on its own like Elite Cooking?

>>27474399
>like death in vampire survivors?
stop posting this. death in VS is a garbage mechanic

>>27474622
I disagree, every enemy tracks your position so basically you're always getting a stream of small but quick damage. Dancer definitely needs to drop gradually instead of all at once though.

>>27474160
as the game is right now, Kiara is basically a worse Mori but with a more annoying damage boost mechanic. She really needs to be reworked, probably from the ground up

>>27474763
Rework both abilities into one so Kiara gets boosted for every flame on screen then give Kiara an obligatory extra life skill with added benefits

>>27474622
The slow makes it fine, it stacks enemies up behind you when you're moving, which you always should be with Kiara.

Kiara just needs to pick a lane, or rather Kay needs to pick a lane for her. Is she the character who's supposed to be constantly moving or the character that's supposed to be the generic dot based bruiser with a ton of base hp? Right now she's not specialized enough to be good at anything.

>>27458058
Isn't this the reason why we pick plushie? Or what, it randomly decided to not work or something?

shieldbeats incoming

Well Kiara just jinzed herself

Actually, can't you go infinite with Kiara just by running away?

>>27476405
You can't

Can we vote to change the name of short height to "lil guy"?

>>27476768
The Japanese localization is "chibi" so a more literal translation would be "midget" or "runt"

>>27476853
Yea, but chibi has cute connotations while midget is very offensive in 2022 and runt is also an insult

It also doubles as a Gawr Gura© recognized meme

JUST FUCKING WALK OUT