/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2744019
is the vtuber scene that autistic in america??

>Be handed a golden opportunity
>Punch Down instead of up.
What a bitch. if she had balls she would of called out a vtuber bigger then her

>>2744071
lol don't ever search #ENVTuber on Twitter you'll have a brain aneurism the amount of hugboxing going on is insane.

"HOW DARE SHE DO THIS JUST BECAUSE SHE'S LUCKY AND GOT SUPPORTED BY COVER AND WENT CORPORATE AND DOESN'T HAVE TO WORK REEEEEEE"

>>2744071
Full of fags, troons, mentally ill, trend hoppers? Yes. Surprising the only good EN indies are actually halfus (half Jap) and one hag.

>>2744094
lol seethe
She wasn't even punching down. You're the perfect example of the kind of aspie retard who took that shit the wrong way.

She was telling you to stop huffing the farts of your friend circle and actually go out there and make content. That's not punching down, that's helping you out.

>>2744094
why would she call out one of her fellow hololivers?

>>2744071
Yes, they also browse here and showed their asses

>>2744019
Right message, wrong messenger. Mori hadn't even be a vtuber for 6 months at that point and still has no fucking idea what she's doing half the time. Pretending she's in any position to be able to criticize anyone else in the scene is bad taste. If it was someone like Suisei who actually climbed up from being a 1000 sub indie then it would make sense. Mori lucked out and got a free 1 million subs for being in the right place at the right time, it has nothing to do with "hard work" considering Watson hit 1 million around the same time and doesn't do anything but stream.

>>2744126
Are you for fucking real?
Do you have any idea of what she was doing before getting to Hololive?

She didn't get to Hololive on a fluke, she got handpicked because she worked her ass off for years before she applied.

>>2744126
Erm, where do you think Mori came from? She was(and is still) an indie rapper who clawed her way up.

Hell, the mountaintop line is a reference to one of her old songs.

>>2744126
Ok, but this still doesn't make her wrong in the message she's trying to get across. I fucking hate Mori myself for my own reasons. That death metal vtuber Mana didn't even debut at 1st. She just made short clip/vids of her doing screamo and she blew up.

>>2744126
It's about creators in general, like Mori said a thousand times already, retard.

>>2744155
>Do you have any idea of what she was doing before getting to Hololive?
Yes and it literally doesn't matter. Like I said 95% of her current success comes from being in Hololive EN. If she wasn't in Hololive she'd still be a nobody, her brand is everything. Just like how Watson would still be streaming in front of a dozen people on Twitch.

>>2744155
>>2744158
Stop Roomate posting Doxbeats were talking about the vtuber. the person behind it is irrelevant to the discussion.

>>2744196
oh my god we've got a live one here.

>>2744019
And yet she will never sing this live because people flip out and yell at her.

>>2744204
Take Watsons subcount away from Moris and that's how much you can attribute to her music. I'd say by 5% estimate is generous at best. Mori would be a nobody without Hololive and nobody would give a shit about her mediocre music if she didn't have a cute Live 2D. You can either accept the facts or not.

>>2744196
You realize that her resume, along with Gura's and Ina's were the ones to beat for the application, right?

>anti still will insist it doesn't matter when a certain EP called "Dwayne Johnson" blew up before she even was on Holo.

>>2744233
>Leeching off a famous person
What a leech

>>2744250
How New?

>>2744233
Gura has extremely boring streams and still have the most subs of any Hololive member by a wide margin. If you think that voice, branding and Live 2D design isn't a majority of a vtubers success you're simply retarded. Sorry bud.

>>2744226
I mean tbf this is true, but at the same time she had to have some level of competency to have been chosen for Hololive that most Vtweeters do not have

>>2744264
>still have
>Singular subject
Get the fuck back to the 3rd-world country you belong to, SEANig.

>>2744285
>Globalfags pretending that criticism of their whores is a big Indonesian conspiracy
Saddest cope

>>2744314
>/jp/ still pretending they're japanese

>>2744314
>Dogfuckers still not taking their meds

>>2744330
>>2744357
>You will never be Japanese
>meds
Breaking out all the classics I see. I wonder why people were ever concerned with EN bringing over NPC reddit cancer en masse. We should never have stopped niggerman posting

>>2744226
>Take Watsons subcount away from Moris and that's how much you can attribute to her music. I'd say by 5% estimate is generous at best.
Biggest fucking cope in the thread lmao

>>2744117
Yet that’s literally all you faggots talk about when it comes to the song. Just punching down at indies for daring to network instead of jumping in with no support. Even Mori spent years making bumping uglies with people in the music industry for the sake of her career; she of all people should know how stupid it is to jump into a career with zero connections.

And for all the talk about the song supposedly containing a positive message, it’s telling that all you deadbeats do is go against the supposed message of the song and tell indies that they’ll never succeed and to never even try to debut. If Mori had anything encouraging to say, you’re certainly not doing anything to spread that message.

>>2744169
>I fucking hate Mori myself for my own reasons
Why? I am genuinely curious. I can get for not liking her content but fully hating her?

>>2744392
>Mori is successful because she works so hard!
>Only has slightly more subs than someone who can't sing at all and is just a Twitch gremlin with a cute Live 2D
Yeah someones coping alright

>>2744394
This wasn't even Mori at her full disstrack might. If you're really that retarded. Most of Mori's older songs have been about getting over the hump, as well as encouraging people to find new, creative ways.

Way to reveal that you're truly a retard.

>>2744436
Most of Moris old songs are about her being a washed up loser who fucked up her entire life by travelling to Japan to fuck slant eyed manlets

>>2744394
Music consumption is subjective, you're outing yourself as a retard if what you got from the song is that narrative.

>>2744264
>If you think that voice, branding and Live 2D design isn't a majority of a vtubers success you're simply retarded
That is probably part of the charm but i think personality matters a lot as well. I would not be watching Mori's streams if i didn't like her personality.

>>2744463
>Most of Moris old songs are about her being a washed up loser who fucked up her entire life by travelling to Japan to fuck slant eyed manlets

And thus, the retard shames himself futher.

>>2744426
He's not coping, mori is a dog shit streamer, the songs do carry her channel subs. She'd be behind Kiara just based on sttlreaming prowess

>>2744426
>50,000 difference
>"""slightly""""
I won't fall your tribal bullshit because even though Amelia can't sing to save her fucking life she actually works at hard producing content unlike of TBAs and Vtweeters

>>2744436
>This wasn't even Mori at her full disstrack might
You’re telling me there’s songs she’s made that were even MORE drama-focused than this one? Yikes, definitely not listening to those. I watch V-tubers to get AWAY from petty internet fights.

Also, Mori’s first song was some ironic weeb rap introduction. Anything before that was from a different person.

>>2744394
>Just punching down at indies for daring to network instead of jumping in with no support.... she of all people should know how stupid it is to jump into a career with zero connections.
Guess Mori spelling it out for you tards wasn't enough: If you and your faggot friends want to play pretend vtubers online, nobody is stopping you because nobody cares. She isn't looking down on you for doing it. She is telling you if you are seriously upset about not becoming an indie hit and whine about it all day, you should start by making content and find your way to where you want to be. Simple message that retards like you can't comprehend. You don't take that first step and complain that the marathon has tired you out.
>all you deadbeats do is go against the supposed message of the song and tell indies that they’ll never succeed and to never even try to debut.
This isn't your personal hugbox chief, we don't care whether you sink or swim. That is all on you.

>>2744500
Whats 50,000 divided by 1 million my dude. Go ahead, do some napkin math and tell me how far off my 5% estimate was.

>>2744470
But would you tune in to her debut if she wasn't Hololive and you didn't like her L2D design? She can have a great personality but if you don't get pulled in to watch her, you wouldn't know about that personality in the first place.

>>2744495
>still has the record for longest game stream.

>>2744500
I think someone is just coping hard because Ame is having health-related issues, and someone is taking it out on Mori.

>>2744523
>If you and your faggot friends want to play pretend vtubers online
That's what Mori is doing. She even has severe imposter syndrome because she knows she's absolute dogshit at actually vtubuing lmao

>>2744543
A successful vtuber can't play pretend vtuber by definition. Whether you like their content has nothing to do with their success. Holy shit are vtweeters the most pathetic group of people on the planet.

>>2744543
That's your interpretation of the song. We can't change that, just like you can't change our minds about Mori.

>>2744525
Good backpedal attempt retard, but a fucking small army's difference is not "slight" margin in any sense of the word

I wrote her off completely during her introduction because she came across as super nervous and very fake but Mori's grown on me. She'll never be my oshi though, because she's not on-board with that fantasy enough and I don't go for the big bazongas anyway.

>>2744543
You are literally checking every box when it comes to the people who didn't get this fucking song.

At no point is she saying stop making content. VTubers are entertainers, they're supposed to entertain people. Not fucking roleplay on Twitter all day.

Moris song is the equivalent of an intern joining a big research corporation, them making a big tech breakthrough then the intern telling all the other researchers they need to try harder to be successful. It's obvious that Hololive still would have exploded without Mori and there is a 99% chance Mori would still be a complete nobody living in a Japanese closet. Whatever work she put in is entirely irrelevant to her current situation, she got a big titty goth girl Live 2D and gets money because people like big titty goth girls. End of story.

>>2744528
I guess you have point. Funny thing is that i though originally Gura would be my favorite but i just fell for the reaper.

>>2744463
It’s kinda sad that deadbeats see Mori’s life as “hard work overcoming hardship” when said hardship was due to her own stupid decisions. It’s not like Ame or Gura needed to move to a foreign country they could barely speak the language of to make it into Hololive.

>>2744528
>Has 1M subs before holo.

>>2744532
The only thing Ame needs to deal with is make that dog shut up.

The fact that Mori creates 2 songs addressing nobodies for le evin rap diss tracks proves how cringe rap is

>>2744019
i just like how it sounds
you can pretty much remove all the lyrics and i'd still enjoy it

>>2744605
this

>>2744605
The most forced analogy I have heard in a while lol. Let me be real blunt with you fools, if you were in Mori's position right now you would completely fuck up the chance you were given, because that is who you are, fuck ups and losers. You wouldn't work half as hard as Mori does even if all your excuses evaporated overnight. Your new excuse would be you are a poor lil' gaijin who is being mistreated by the mean japanese. Your circumstances change but you never do.

>>2744605
Expect this analogy complete fall apart when you factor in that she holds both the intra records highest viewed original and fastest growing orginal
It's more accurate to say they both benefit each other

>>2744523
>This isn't your personal hugbox chief, we don't care whether you sink or swim. That is all on you
You mean you don’t actually care about the message your oshi is giving, and just wanna twist it in the most negative way possible and end up making her look worse than she really is. Maybe she wouldn’t have needed to clarify the actual message later if you cunts didn’t morph it into something completely different. I feel bad for Mori; it must be sad when your fanbase uses a positive song you made to just create more drama for you to deal with.

>>2744676
No one needs to work as hard as Mori when Ame barely has fewer subs and all she does is stream

this thread is a mistake

>>2744678
>Expect this analogy complete fall apart when you factor in that she holds both the intra records highest viewed original and fastest growing orginal
Riding off the back of a huge amount of EN hype. The amount you can attribute to Moris actual stuff is minimal. Fucking Pop on Rocks has 3 million views and it's just Amelia reciting a Dr Seuss book to some music

>>2744605
>she got a big titty goth girl Live 2D and gets money because people like big titty goth girls
But people who stay probably stay for the her personality.

>>2744706
OP here and I agree.
But also lots of lulz at tards tearing each other apart

>>2744676
>Your new excuse would be you are a poor lil' gaijin who is being mistreated by the mean japanese
Literally what Mori was saying before Hololive scraped her off the sidewalk lmao

>>2744621
>when said hardship was due to her own stupid decisions
And i think she knows that but i doubt she has any interest moving back to US.

>>2744605
>this retard thinks any fresh graduate from a backwater community college will ever get the chance to intern at a big company

>>2744752
Yup, literally doesn't know about reality. To become an intern, you need work experience lol.

>>2744594
>At no point is she saying stop making content
Then why the fuck are YOU saying that? Do you hate your oshi and want to mislead people on what the real message of her song was?

>>2744707
>Riding off the back of a huge amount of EN hype.
Who the fuck do you think created that hype, retard?
When the entirety of the world wrote EN off and expected it to crash and burn, who debuted with an original that took the vtuber landscape by storm?

>>2744767
Music is free to interpretation.

>>2744752
You mean Ame?

>>2744707
This. Fucking hinotori would hold the spot if it released at peak EN popularity

>>2744791
Most people thought the nigger of nippon was incredibly cringe. Do your archive reps newfagchama.

>>2744791
ame and gura created the hype anon

>>2744767
Oh my god cope, breathe, seethe.
When the fuck did ANYONE in this thread say that? You're projecting your own tiny pee pee insecurities so hard anon. Or is it the schizo voices in your head that tell you these things when you're crying over the latest drama going on in the VTweeter community?

Like I'm genuinely curious, give me ONE real example of someone saying that in a serious way.

I just want someone with more music talent than Mori to join Hololive so we can stop pretending she's good. Pretty much the only reason she gets praised so much is because she's literally the only music producer Holo so there's nobody to compare her to.

>>2744791
>Mori creates the EN hype
We're reaching levels of deadbeat delusion not even possible

>Mori thread
>it’s actually more about some SuccubusStix chick whose activity coincidentally slowed down around the same time Mori debuted
And this is on-topic, why? Is Andre 3000 a V-tuber just because he was in a cartoon once?

>>2744818
>Do your archive reps newfagchama
Do your reps retard, I was literally were all those fags in /dogfucker/ started KNEEL posting

>>2744841
The entire thread was people talking about how fucking bad she was, but since you've outed yourself as global cancer there's a good chance you're just talking out your ass and were still on reddit at that point

>>2744706
What can you expect from schizos, The message is painfully obvious just by listening to the song but nah they prefer mori saying it straight to their face for their brain to keep up

>>2744767
Mori: Stop making excuses for not making content
You: OH MY GOD SHE'S TELLING ME TO STOP MAKING CONTENT

Deadbeats: Actually, she's telling you to stop making excuses for not making content
You: THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TELLING ME TO NOT MAKE CONTENT!?

>>2744832
>the only music producer
>Rikka mention there are only 4-5 people from hololive who produce music that includes Azki and Suisei

Lurk more newfag

>>2744859
Go back to /jp/ no one wants dogfuckers here. You even have the gall to involve Ame and make us teamates look bad.

>>2744859
That was Ame's debut, though.

>>2744859
I find it funny how global thinks themselves to be the chads of /vt/, yet literally every single other thread here fucking hates them, and /jp/ doesn’t even talk about them anymore. It’s like they live in this 2020 hugbox where they can eternally live the glory days, while the rest of the world moves on without them.

>>2744905
>Switching to Uto, when he gets called out by a teamate.
Too bad that Uto supports Mori too.

>>2744859
>The entire thread was people talking about how fucking bad she was
Peak revisionism lmao, stop trying cope by pretending to be an oldfag retardchama
The thread fucking exploded when the song started playing, mass "I KNEEL" post and anon's having a "SHE'S HERE" moment when they heard the "haters typing sale" line

I see the shitposters and that one sad anti fag had to run away to a smaller thread to be entertained

The levels of revisionism that people think they can get away with on /vt/ is astounding.

>>2744887
>Deadbeats: Actually, she's telling you to fucking kill yourself twittertranny. Go seethe and dilate, you will never debut, you will never be a woman, just give up and join le 41% already
FTFY
If someone like Artemis can spend months networking through Twitter and have a massively successful debut, it seems like a smart move to follow her plan.

>>2744938
Only globalfags answer polls so this is unsurprising.

>>2744905
You are talking like EN isn't popular anymore.
Mori has done nothing but gotten more popular and became face of the EN in Japan.

>>2744960
>her

>>2744960
You also have to realize that only Artemis manages to be succesful doing this

Anyone elae who tried to follow this method quickly gets shut down now

>>2744961
I honestly think a poll with over 400 answers provides some pretty good statistics. But I see your support for your oshi and I respect that.

Any given indie knows more about Hololive than Mori so I understand how it could be annoying to hear "Just work harder" from a person who still doesn't do her reps and thinks Luna is the queen of sweets land

>>2744887
This is actually how they sound like haha

>Why iS sHe fEeLing suPerIor aLl of a sudden?
>Mori: I want you guys to succeed more than anyone and this is a song for you to feel motivated because i like dark houses the most

>sHe oNly gEts viEws bEcaUse of gUrA and aMe
>Rip - 17 million
>Live again - 5 million
> Deadbeats - 5 million (5 months ago)

Recently
> OWTH - 4.7 milloon
> New EP, Red - 1.6 million
> Guh, Bully, Livestreamer all within 500k views

Nah, songs that is good always got views, hololive has a massive fanbase you'll get the amount of views if YOUR song is good. Do your education

>>2744960
>Artemis
Artemis is shitty but at the very least they always had a model and debut date set
Most TBAs don't even have fucking model much less a date set for their debut, they're not networking, they're just shitposting on twitter

>>2745016
Exactly. If anything, Kiara is a great example of this, since her songs are all dogshit, and accordingly don’t grow nearly as much in views as Mori’s songs despite her marketing them way harder.

>>2745014
But she is very popular among indies as well. I think i have heard more positive from indies about her than negative.

>>2745014
Only retards and those vtweeters get mad for that song, they're called vtweeters and retard for a reason anyway, if they cant understand the song and get mad halfway. Its just bulls eye

>>2745014
Not really. Also Most Indies actually understand the message of the song and have cited Mori to be their inspiration.

>>2744896
>Azki
not a Holo
>Suisei
She's released, what, a couple singles since joining Hololive? She sure doesn't seem to be taking her whole "music producer" role very seriously

The funniest thing is that Cover decided to make her the Sora of HoloEN after the song released.
It's not just that she got into HoloEN, she also became their face.

>>2745014
Ah yes, Mori, famously hated by actual indie vtubers.

>>2745066
No point in saying that to them anyway they will always say

>hOw cAn sHe sAy that wHen sHe barEly kNows aNythIng aBout hOloLive

like bruh how is that even relevant to the topic

Uh oh, your thread has been found out, so you have to stop talking to yourself. Better make another.

>>2745092
All I see on Twitter from ACTUAL VTubers (i.e. not VTweeters) is that she's great and a huge source of inspirations. Like I'd struggle to find any VTubers who dislikeher because of that song.

The only ones who seethe over it are the losers who know they don't have what it takes to make content and are projecting HARD at her for it instead of sucking it up and turning on OBS.

>>2745092
Mori works 10x as hard to gain their approval than she does anyone inside Hololive so they'd better like her.

>>2745141
You know I was being sarcastic, right?

>>2745148
Anon, guy probably is just explaining the joke to the retard.

>>2745066
statistically, as a streamer, the growth rate is pretty much decided in the first 2 weeks after debut. Dropping a whole EP at debut is certainly impressive, but the fact is that the "big titty goth girl" pre-debut subscribers were more relevant to her current numbers than her musical sucess and abillities as a streamer. in her role as mori she is limited by corporate rules on her music yet has bigger numbers than before.

>>2745148
Yeah I was just building onto your argument.

>>2745078
>Azki is not part of hololive production
Newfag? azki is still under the company (Inonaka music)

>Suisei doing radio shows and concerts as well as taking parts in shows she was invited
Yeh do your reps newfag

Based on Deadbeat logic Gura is over twice as talented as Mori

The Jordan Peterson of vtubers

>>2745184
She is, I say this objectively as a Deadbeat. Her roommate was in this game long before VTubing was even a thing.

>>2745184
She is pretty fucking talented, yeah. That singing voice is something else.

>>2745184
Well, she's more experienced as a streamer and has the talent. So yeah.

Also, after a teamate BTFOd you, you then switch to Uto, then Gura? You wish to involve chumbros in this too?

>>2745146
>Mori works 10x as hard to gain their approval than she does anyone inside Hololive
It is not like she need to try because she already has that.

>>2745194
>>2745205
>>2745217
It's nice of you to all admit Gura is the hardest working and most talented EN. Mori should ask her for some tips

>>2745184
Now you can’t even directly reply to someone?

>>2745243
They know shes an easy mark for clout chasing, like zombie.

I like how most of the thread descended into arguing with one schizophrenic anti who never had a valid point in the first place.

>>2745184
>Ac, based on your logic
Ah yes, the tell-tale sign that you DON'T in fact understand the logic of person you're arguing with

>>2745265
As always.

There will always be a fucktard that hate anyone because they're successful in life.

And that is OP and another fucktard.

>>2745184
She IS talented, just lazy. Either that, or jaded from being forced into the spot of the #1 Holo when she clearly didn’t want that much responsibility.

>>2745265
We do this a few times a week around this time of day, it's become almost ritualistic.

>>2745283
Maybe Mori should've been Gura and Gura should've been Mori if that was the case.

>>2745278
OP was pro-Mori, you fucking retard. What, are the schizobeats gonna turn on each other now that there’s no one left for you to bitch about?

>>2745259
Well i was more talking about other Holos.

>>2745302
The average deadbeat has a brain the size of a peanut, please understand

>>2745302
As is tradition.

>>2745302
>are the schizobeats gonna turn on each other now that there’s no one left for you to bitch about?
How new?

>>2745301
>rapper loli shark
>retarded singing reaper
Would it have worked?

>>2745324
>implying Mori isn't retarded

>>2745324
I cannot picture Gura’s voice coming out of Mori’s body

>>2745265
It's hilarious watching his arguments fall apart and quickly try to deflect to tribalism, dude from
>Her music suck!
>U-uh w-what about Ame!?
>We-well w-what about G-gura
Next he'll say some retarded shit about a JP

>>2745301
Mori would have burned herself out completely trying to be the leading star of EN.

I'm not saying she wouldn't do a great job, but she's too much of a workaholic to handle that.

Now Ame or Kiara on the other hand, they would have single-handedly killed EN.

In not a single time-line would the Tako have been number one, just as she planned.

>>2744201
>SHE DIDNT EARN IT SHE DIDNT HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE AN INDIE
>NOOOO YOU CANT USE IT THATS ROOMMATE TALK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHARACTER
ogey

>>2745302
OP knew EXACTLY what he was doing with that title.

>>2745341
Gura's roommate is a good character actress, she'd figure out something.

>>2745389
Mori is the most open one about past (or still current in her case) enterprises in EN.
Just listen to Red.

>>2745419
But I listened to Red only five times today.

Is this the KF vtuber thread?

>>2745419
Because it doesn't really conflict with her stuff as a vtuber. The only qualm is that to this day, no song has been released under BaphometBackgammon yet. That last song was released under a lesser known channel.

>>2745245
>Hardworker more than mori

doubt that but she sure do sing well

>>2744019
>never forget
you speak as if its some kind of ancient knowledge when it was like, what, two months ago? do you remember anything hololive related beyond EN debut date?
dumb globalposter.

I like her music.
And her tits.

>>2745492
Where the fuck is my January "rock cover" you dumb bitch? It's April already.

>>2745498
Well, this song is still the fastest song to 1M. It's relevant.

>>2745498
I remember Festival said she'd drink Hoshikawa's piss.

>>2745556
https://streamable.com/82pfhc

>>2745599
bless

>>2745556
I still love Hoshikawa and Matsuri singing SSS

>>2745556
Honestly my biggest hangup with EN is that none of them are even close to the level of degenerecy that JP has. When is Ame going to threaten to eat out Gura's ass during stream, or when will Kiara eat so many nuggies she'll barf?

>>2745690
>the level of degenerecy that JP
Are you a clip only watcher?

>>2745721
No but those clip moments stand out the most.

>>2745379
>Now Ame or Kiara on the other hand, they would have single-handedly killed EN.

You shut your whore mouth

>>2744071
the "western vtuber scene" is a few generic ethot streamers who've adopted an avatar and an unholy legion of trannies and loser high school kids pretending they're going to be vtubers one day as a hugboxing topic on twitter

>>2744099
„Doesn‘t have to work“ might be the fucking dumbest accusation they levy against Cali of all people. She works extremely hard.

>>2746107
Yet we have a thread a mile long with some schizo anti who's pissing and shitting and cumming all over the place about how unfair it is that they're not getting traction with their skebs and roleplays.

>>2745245
Chumkeks are sure funny today.

>>2744126
True. I'd listen to Jay-Z about getting money and investing it smartly rather than DaBaby or some other one-hit wonder. Mori really doesn't count, she was chugging out her shit intensely for years and not finding any real success but thought it was all her hard work when a massively popular company picked her up and promoted to a million subs. Ame having a million and gura having 2.5 disproves her retarded naRRATive.

>>2746107
She does work hard, and anybody that calls her lazy is a fucking retard, but her hard work is totally irrelevant to her success. The moment she got in she could have just said fuck it and only done the bare minimum and she would probably be only a little bit smaller than she is now.

>>2746426
But she still did music even if it didn't become super popular and Cover saw potential in her. The problem with Vtweeters is that they aren't doing any kind of content.

>>2746457
I too like to engage in hypotheticals without proof.

>>2746524
Oh no doubt, it's just funny that she decided to start preaching the moment she got real traction.

>>2746426
>Gura being 2.5m subs disproves her message of hard work

How do you think her roommate got big? Just by sitting around, doing nothing?

>>2746577
What the fuck do you even want then, you goddamn nigger? A naked dogeza for getting too popular?

>>2746577
She started preaching because she was seeing the fucking seething jealousy bubbling under the surface of the highly toxic and vitriolic "vtuber community" on Twitter.

And she decided she wasn't going to fucking ignore it.

>>2746534
>he thinks mori got a million subscribers because of her niche music and not because she’s a hololive girl with an attractive big titty avatar
ngmi

>>2746661
Did her big titty avatar make her music top the charts?

>>2746697
If so, Hime Hajime would have 3 Million followers by now.
> Anti logic is this distorted

>>2746426
You can find an angle to prove your argument for just about anything. The fact that Gura has more subscribers doesn't make Mori unsuccessful. So it's not the narrative that's retarded. Hate to break it to you, it's you. You are retarded. Like slobbering hand clapping at pwetty colors retarded.

>>2746742
I think you misread my post, anon.

>>2746763
I understood that as I hit post, tried to delete it and said I had to keep the post up for longer, refreshed like an idiot and now I can't delete it anymore because the auto generated password changes when you refresh. My bad.

>>2744169
>That death metal vtuber Mana didn't even debut at 1st. She just made short clip/vids of her doing screamo and she blew up.
make content

>>2746697
Uhhhhhh, yeah? I kinda fuck with her music but this is very niche shit man. She had a music career before this and wasn't close to topping the charts then, what's the biggest difference between then and now? The vtuber gimmick.

>>2746742
Do you people honestly believe there's any merit in her music?
It couldn't possibly be because she's part of a the biggest English speaking vtuber group.

>>2746976
she has a filipino music industry veteran as a manager who does all behind-the-scene works for her. most indies dont have that advantage.

I'm far from liking Mori or even caring about EN these days but this is unironically her best song, I still listen to it in repeat once in a while. Unlike some retards here might think, the lyrics are absolutely right by slapping these faggots in the face. You can argue about the messenger's own merit, but you cannot dismiss the message if it's right. It's like saying that 2+2 cannot be equal to 4 just because it was some BLM science denier who said it.

>>2747022
Yes, anon. Most of her lyrics are far and beyond above some mainstream people do. She also launched a successful EP prior to becoming Mori. Before Mori , she was topping Spotify plays for her genre.

If she wasn't that successful, she wouldn't be touring alongside Nisemono.

>>2747143
>Single-handedly revived interest on FakeType enough to have them reunite.

>>2747254
I like her, but let's not pretend she's the best lyricist out there. Even she acknowledges the chuuni and campy nature of her lyrics.
It's not hard to beat Tyree the Trapper.

>>2746697
Unironically yes. Welcome to being red pilled anon.

>>2747324
Yes, but to be able to make something as niche as Electroswing rap trend is a feat.

The Song in OP is testament to it. If they really didn't care about her music, she would not have inspired a lot of Indies to strive harder, as well as being the fastest song to gain 1M views.

So I think everyone in this thread needs to take their meds, and go outside.... Myself included for even replying to this shit.

>>2747388
Sure, I agree.
I just wanted to say her lyrics can improve (something also said by herself), that's all.

>>2747307
Pretty sure Mad Rat Dead did

>>2746697
>>2747342
If that was the case, then why doesn't some other titty holos' original song get the same views that fast?

>>2747025
>Imagine thinking having a Filipino manager is a buff

Kek

>2744094
Found one the assblasted vtweeters.

>>2747447
Did you have Kiara in mind when you said this? You know why anon

>>2747443
>Pretty sure that Princess and Mr Jewel Box had more impact.

Ao's recent success was thanks to the characters and the MVs, as well as Dyes' mixing. In fact, it's becoming clearer that both Dyes and Mori have outlived Ao. I feel more for the latter though, as Mori has gotten her rewards, while Dyes has yet to get mainstream attention outside of FT.

>>2747510
Not really, I was thinking more about Noel or Coco, or even Haato.

>>2747566
Yeah none of them are particularly good at singing so your theory holds up... for now.

Sometimes I wonder if the "/jp/" shitposting on this board is the same person. Posting style is always similar and the way they bait idiots with their pure stupidity is almost always similar. Bonus points on almost always using the same set of reaction images.

>>2747657
the truth is that big tits and brand may get people to listen to your song once or twice, but to keep listening to it to produce Mori numbers, they have to actually like the song

>>2747657
You're going to have to find elsewhere to prove otherwise; as Rikka has said, there are only 5 legit musicians in all of Hololive, and that already includes Suisei, Azki and Sora.

>>2747760
To provide a clear point; just look at Hinotori. Kiara even has the advantage of having the same character designer as Makise Kurisu and still did not break any of Mori's biggest views.

>>2747830
Your point makes sense, but thinking Kiara’s character design is a buff and not her papa royally fucking her over is ehhhhh

>>2747704
Yes it is me, the jaypee

>>2747916
Kiara is just color-swapped Yuki Amane, one of Stein's Gate's characters and Itaru's wife.

>>2747916
honestly, one of the better example around is Okayu
not really hailed as a singer, not the most popular within her gen or in general (even if near the top), but her songs and covers had been consistently some of the most popular relative to channel size

The reason mori music is popular is because she's a vtuber. Except, it's not as simple as that. The vtuber thing is nothing more than a springboard that pushes her into a bigger talking space. That's the biggest difference between before and now. She got lots of views before but that was only with a niche audience so talk didn't really get out. Having a springboard doesn't mean being popular either. You still need to provide something that people will actually like to make them talk about you. For better or worse, I don't like mori music personally since rap shouldn't even be considered music cause its that shit, mori produces music that is "good" which properly takes advantage of the springboard.

If mori music wasn't up to scratch she'd be less popular than kiara.

>>2748111
>rap shouldn't even be considered music cause its that shit
Why are metalheads like this?

>>2748111
the complete bonus is that vtubing has convinced her to train her vocals, which will eventually make her a more rounded artist.

>>2748167
>>2748111
This is the complete irony. In all of the time this anti has spent REEEEEEEEING about how Mori's music isn't anything. She has improved both on streaming and singing, and will continue to improve because she always wants to improve, while this person always complains about how unfair life is.

>>2748149
I don't like metal either except in rare cases. Nip metal is pretty ok sometimes.

>>2748241
you should treat Jap rap differently too, if I were you.

Listen to some BACK-ON or M.O.V.E.

>>2747447
>big titty goth design Increases pre-debut following
>drop an EP immediatley to brand yourself as a musician
she puts in the work that is true, but generally her success comes down to her first 2 months of streaming.

>>2749628
>First two months
Back when even normalfags were complaining about her original membership structure? When she took an entire week off from non-member streams?

>>2749628
You know, maybe if you put all the energy you put on this board to hate on someone, on actually doing your reps or something else, you'd probably go far. But instead, you're still complaining.

>>2749991
>Back when even normalfags were complaining about her original membership structure?
Really? I only went here and never knew that even normalfags were at that.

>>2744094
the only bigger EN vtuber than her is Gura

>>2744112
>and one hag.
Koopers...

>>2744394
>Just punching down at indies for daring to network instead of jumping in with no support.
OK cool but if you don't make anything you aren't a vtuber. That's the catch with this shit, you know? Vtubing is ultimately about content creation. If you aren't putting anything out, then you aren't a vtuber.

>>2744463
Jesus did Mori piss in your coffee?

>>2744621
She made bad choices but they ultimately paid off and resulted in opportunities she'd never have otherwise.

>>2750516
The complete irony is, these people think that doing nothing is justified, and that while they all scream that life isn't fair, Mori is working to improve and they cope to say that she "lucked" out.

You miss all the shots you don't take.

>>2744605
Not in the slightest. Mori was hired by a company for her talents, exploded (because of her talents), and then she made a track that, let's be real here, was aimed at lazy people telling them to get involved in the community in meaningful ways instead of jerking themselves off.

>>2750559
This is exactly the point. They are bothered by someone who actually works hard to get to where she is, all because they've been fed the "life is unfair" bullshit during their teens and college life. To them it's all : I SHOULD HAVE THIS, I DESERVE THAT.

>>2750625
Yup. This is where people meltdown, when their whole worldview is spun inside-out. It turns out that you need to do something with your potential instead of complaining why you aren't being spoonfed fame and fortune.

I love the amount of seethe these two autists can cause, especially the shark since she doesn't even try

>>2750737
A collab rap/song from them would send these antis to becoming an hero.

>>2750365
>Mori vs Gura rap battle
>Mori accidentally goes too far 5 minutes in and makes Gura cry on stream
>She spends the next hour counseling Gura
I'd watch it.

>>2750894
Mori isn't good in freestyle. While Gura might be great at it, based on how she can turn shitposts into bars.

It's the reverse that would happen lol.

>>2750957
I'd still watch it.

>the literal TBAs and vtweeters sperging in this very thread
Struck a nerve? :^)

>>2744094
ywnbaw

In Moris case we can look her popularity as a artist before hololive and after joining hololive. Before holo no one cared and after holo really successful. The difference is hololive and not Mori herself. Cope all you want but thats the reality. And I doubt this she's a workaholic stuff, since remaking your old songs isn't really that hard.

>>2744960
>her

>>2751206
>remaking your old songs
wth is this bullshit, anon. You've now gone the deep end.

>>2744394
She wasn’t even VTubing and she released 4 albums and an EP. The whiny queers she references call themselves vtubers without making any content, they just tweet all day. Twitter is not content.

How fucking retarded are you? We’re you one of these queers she was referring to?

>>2751276
>4 albums and an EP
+2

>>2751206
You act like hololive is some sort of lottery instead of being a job that she applied for, interviewed for, and was ultimately chosen for because of the qualities she possessed. Cover gave her exposure but she only got that exposure because Cover saw her as worth investing in.

>>2751206
there is nothing similar between a SatanSquare song and a Mori song.

You've literally pulled bullshit that's unredeemable because you have no basis of saying this, except for the fact that they have the same voice, and even then... Mori's tone, inflection and theming is very different from BackgammonBael. Hell, if Mori was allowed to be full Devil, It'll be much easier. But it's not, she has to work doubly hard to filter the language and the theming of the Mori songs.

>>2751370
What's worse is the bullshit spouting that Her songs as Mori are the same as her old ones. How retarded can someone be?

>>2746584
Gura's roomate was just shitposting a 2min unedited song every blue moon what are you on about
>>2747447
because it's rap, the most zoomer music existing in this universe, almost all EN fanbase is zoomers filtered by the JPs and their pre existing lore, they'd listen to even the worse rap existing meanwhile her singing was so bad people were wondering if it was really her or Sora with a throat cancer singing in the Alt PV

Yeah, it's a deadbrap falseflagging.

>>2751642
>again exposing himself as a dogfucker.

>>2751642
>people were wondering if it was really her or Sora with a throat cancer singing in the Alt PV
Nothing will ever be funnier to me that /jp/ thinking the Alt PV song was the greatest thing Cover had ever done, then 2 threads later saying it was terrible and the trailer was ruined the second they found out Mori sang it.

>>2751713
that was the biggest cope. EVER. Literal backpedaling and humiliation.

If I was Mori, I should've held it in and watched as /hlg/ sing the song praises, until the full MV where she reveals herself.

but the humiliation was worth it.

>>2751777
That, and the Holobirds OP was the most glorious thing that made people see /hlg/ as the anti thread.

>>2744678
It's all marketing. Her songs are good but they're in a niche genre, some kind of electro swing rap and shouldn't be as popular as, well, pop music. Though her song got more pop in her last EP.
She got number 1 on iTunes because she hypes the releases a lot. She gets a lot of views because she hypes her streams a lot (probably maybe too much since she can't even keep up with what she promises). She's entertaining so she has good viewer engagement but it's making them show up in the first place that is hard. I think someone like Kiara never understood how to.

>>2751642
>Gura's roomate was just shitposting a 2min unedited song every blue moon what are you on about
believe or not that was content, why aren't twitter trannies doing something like that?

>>2746426
>Ame having a million and gura having 2.5 disproves her retarded naRRATive.
They're both incredibly talented people that constantly engage with their viewers. What are you on about?

>>2751697
just came in the thread to expose false argumentation, stop assuming all contradictors are globalfags

>>2751847
the fact that she's doing a niche subgenre in a niche genre, and still getting views isn't easy. It's hilarious that >>2751206 thinks she's just recycling her material, when all her EP's have different themes, as well as the Satan character is a whole lot different from Mori, lyric wise.

>>2744594
Some Twitter role playing is entertaining though and I think should count towards content creation.

>>2751914
If that was true, then the whole KFP fanbase would be famous by now.

I think "she was at the right place at the right time" has merit in the following sense: No one would have pulled these numbers half a year after their debut if HoloEN debuted in 2018. But talent and skill are simply not proportional to success in any creative domain. You can't measure Subaru's talent by subtracting Sora's subcount from her own?.
Many (not most) of you people here simplify things way too much just to justify your feelings about some chuuba and it's just completely useless.
This guy >>2748111 (Checked) gets it.

>>2750516
>She made bad choices but they ultimately paid off and resulted in opportunities she'd never have otherwise.
I would never want to live her life and move to another country with so little certainty and no real prospect for the future. But I can definitely appreciate anyone who dares something like this. It makes me realize that I should be a bit more opportunistic and not let things pass by. I will do my drawing reps today simply because of this thread.

>>2751914
You are not a content creator even if I find your opinions hilariously stupid.

>>2751861
Gura has talent, not even the biggest EN anti denies that, who the fuck here supported Vtweeter trannies anyway this thread just derailed to deadbarps and Calli antis arguing if she deserves her success, the indies people actually cares about either have an enough niche fanbase to not feel called out by the song or are Jps who don't understand english

>>2751914
Is pretending to be a schizo and posting on 4chan content creation?

>>2751975
the problem is that they call Gura Lazy, when they really don't know what happens off-stream.

I think both Gura and Mori are great at what they do. Besides, the thread is originally about OWTH's message and the antis argue fallacies about the lyrics.

>>2751962
The point is what the song in question and people trying to put that message down because they felt attacked for being whiny bitches.

>>2751867
lol, Ame having no talent is a meme for a reason, in the sense idol talents. She actually has talent but it she doesn't really have a way to stream those, unlike singing or drawing. Like she knows how to make live2D models and she did the whole setup to stream in 3D herself in her bedroom, that takes dedication. We won't see any of that though, or at least not the process: it's like if Ina never did drawing streams and only posted the artwork on Twitter when it's done. She's not really talented at gaming too when it's supposed to be her main thing. She's super creative and her stream are very endearing though.

>>2751955
Kiara doesn't know how to bant on Twitter though. I was thinking more like that time she inadvertently called Coco a bitch, Coco tried interacting but Kiara immediately sperged out on Twitter and on stream and killed the whole thing because she doesn't want to disrespect her senpais. Like Coco was actually offended when she probably just found the situation funny.

>>2752160
Well, she also has the intangibles when it comes to streaming, she knows how to control her crowd. She's also very adorable, and despite having difficulties, she tries to draw smiles off everything.

>>2751642
>it's rap, the most zoomer music existing in this universe
Rap was around before 2000. It's perfectly fine if you don't like it or never were exposed to it in a way that made it receptive to you. What are you on about?
>>2752160
She does video editing as well, the Holotalk into was made by Ame. And I think she was the Botan of HoloEN for a while. But as you said, neither of those can properly show up on-stream, and are at best mentioned occasionally by the other holos.

>>2746603
>A naked dogeza for getting too popular?
Oh fuck yes.

>>2752160
>lol, Ame having no talent is a meme for a reason, in the sense idol talents.
I mean I'd argue against taking that sentiment too literally for a few reasons and I say these things as someone who thinks that Ame's strongest charm is the fact that she's loser kino.. She feels like the most experienced streamer of EN, and that alone is an important talent when it comes to actual stream production. Her streams generally feel the least scuffed, and she's far more willing to be experimental in her gags than the other girls. As well, she probably has the most technical experience of the girls, which while not an obvious talent helps her streams immensely in a very subtle manner. I agree with you though, she's not very talented as a gamer but she more than makes up for it in her creativity and in being such a lovable loser. Honestly the comparisons to Haachama are fairly apt, in that regard.

>>2744709
at least i am.
Didnt have any interest in her in the beginning because of the model, but when i listened to her music and gave her a chance to show who she is, she quickly became tied for my favorite with Ina. Not on holo EN. hololive in general.
Mori is very inspirational to me and i feel like her personality only brings two things in people, things she has already previously discussed in her music:

>Rage
Seeing her working so hard to reach what she wants make people notice their own weakness and defects, so they get unconfortable by her existance. How can you be so determined and hardworking? If you do, i cant excuse my behaviour without looking like a retard.

>Inspiration
She leads by example.
Simple as that. Her phylosophy and the music really brings something on people that are humble enough to recognize their own failures and are willing to do what it takes to be better, to go after what you dream, even if every step towards it is very painful.

I understand if someone doesnt care or just doesnt like her content, but when someone HATES mori, i know they are a failure trying to justify their pathethic excuse of an existance

>>2752310
>comparisons to Haachama
Ame should do cooking streams that are just her putting frozen waffles in the toaster

>>2752310
>her strongest charm is that she's a loser
Based

>>2752260
I do like 90s rap a lot but that's not the point.
Basically her songs hitting huge amount of views because it is good and appeal to an audience is true, but her first song being n°1 Hololive songs in views means jack-fucking-shit.
In reality Calli and most EN Holos are even more popular than what we think, but this silent fanbase aren't subbed and don't even watch the streams, they just watch clips collect reaction pix and listen to the songs, like Hero Hei and Rev viewers, even I do this kind of shit with some JPs.
Can you please RIP hit records because it was her only song at that time so people were just listening to it in loops with a september 2020 Holo community, in comparison Sora's Alien was at 4 millions at that time and came out 2 years ago so almost no one not subbed to Sora or who came with the EN hype was aware it exists. Aqua's Da da da tenshi cover, Okayu's Flos or Sora's Alien cover would have twice the views or RIP if there were EN or had silent fanbase.

>>2752444 (checked)
>Rage
The way Mori leads her life shouldn't inspire you, she works so hard because she's running away from something. It's unhealthy. I'm also getting tired of her saying she's sorry and that she's exhausted all the time. Self deprecation is fine but she should at least make it funny. I'm more inspired, personally, on how she's working on health more and less on her professional life now.
I too don't see any Mori hate that is justified, not since she get better at streaming and dropped the cringe act she had at the very beginning. I think a lot of people had a bad first impression and never gave her a second chance (they should).

>>2744019
Reminder that this song came out literally two days after /vt/ was created
Without the shitflinging and the entire community kneeling to Mori I think >we wouldn’t have the holo-dominated /vt/ that exists today, between the orangeposters, vshits and /qa/ eceleb fags

>itt
>vtweeters still seething
holy fuck i didn't realize how many in /vt/ were vtweeters in disguise, kek

>>2752752
Holy fuck this cope.

>>2752781
man, this place would have been far less enjoyable if I had to see a Nyanners spoiler image every three picture posted, thank you meidos for that

What annoys me about Mori is that there is this narrative that she is a workaholic but she always seems lazy to me. She whines about stuff that real hard working people would not whine about.

>>2752844
Like what, for example?

>>2752775
what if i, too, am running from something?

>>2752844
>Not a real Scotsman
Really piling on that fallacy count, antichama.

>>2746426
Gura has 2.5 million subs because she sings for hours every day and has developed a fucking 1 in a million voice. What do you do for hours every day that takes effort and builds up a useful skill?

>>2752870
Like getting up early, or baking a couple of cookies.

>>2753036
successful people aren't allowed to complain about having to wake up early?

>>2753036
It's because your idea of a hardworking person is to act like a machine.

>>2752877
often workaholics stay at the office until insane hours because they don't want to go home. they don't want to go home because they have problems there (getting in fights with their wife or something) which they don't know how to solve. so they're running from them, spending time instead on problems they can solve or that have less consequences (having a healthy relationship with your wife is more important than doing spreadsheets, especially since the work task is not urgent). but those kind of problems get worse and worse as they won't fix themselves. you shouldn't spend your life running from things, anon.
I don't think Mori ever really talked about why she did so much, but I think it's loneliness, confusion and generally not wanting to disappoint people. She should come to terms with that before she burns out and is forced to. that's already been kind of the case, she literally got sick and was falling asleep on in a collab. in that case she should have called out the stream but didn't want to disappoint her genmates.

>>2752832
seethe, she will never get these numbers again because it was all 80% timing 20% skill, EN gen2 will probably get a Mori-like that will get even more views than that in her song debut

>>2753063
we've gone into "making up rrats about problems at home" levels of mental gymnastics

>>2753088
...Really anon? EN2, at best, is projected to be on par with what Ame does.

>Imagine being a dogfucker, who intially swore that EN would flop, now is hoping that EN2 will eclipse them.

You guys were right, EN lucked with the people they hired. EN2 will have that "Ollie with steroids" yab-machine you were doomposting about before getting someone with the same number of skillsets as Mori.

>>2752752
Then I fail to see why you brought zoomers or rap as a genre into any of this in the first place. This is an entirely different argument, and I agree that there is a silent audience who cares about the songs and not really about the performer.
>>2752444
>Didnt have any interest in her in the beginning because of the model, but when i listened to her music and gave her a chance to show who she is, she quickly became tied for my favorite with Ina.
>Seeing her working so hard to reach what she wants make people notice their own weakness and defects
>She leads by example. Simple as that. Her phylosophy and the music really brings something on people that are humble enough to recognize their own failures
Trips of Death post which speaks to my heart.
>>2752877
This is what worries me. What if all that drives people is being haunted by their demons and life making them eat shit? Without wanting to blogpost, the only person I know who lives through their music like that is an orphan at 25 with a girlfriend who has MS, and a father who used to make music as well. It makes me suspect that successful dreamchasers are only made from having an awful life.

>>2753183
she complained about being lonely before, and talked about not wanting to disappoint death-sensei. also she lives in a foreign country of which she barely speaks the language, how do you thinks she felt daily before hololive ? but yeah, it's pure speculation obviously

>>2753192
>What if all that drives people is being haunted by their demons and life making them eat shit?
it's hard to build a drive to accomplish something when you're pretty content with where you're at. you can try a few things to put some pressure on yourself.
1 - surround yourself with other successfully people who share their successes (effectively shaming yourself into accomplishing)
2 - pick one thing you're interested in, and dive into it, start picking it apart and track what you learn (you're replacing novelty with nuance)
3 - fuck up your life entirely, rack up a ton of debt, go homeless, and be forced to accomplish out of necessity (would recommend only as a last resort though)

>>2753262
>how do you thinks she felt daily before hololive
given that her roommate had a full time job AND was networking to have live concerts at small venues, probably the exact same as she's feeling now. the hustle life doesn't ever stop.

>>2753192
Unfortunately, to dreamchase is accepting that you probably live a much worse life than you normally would, at least supposedly untill you reach the dream.
My dream is being an artist, and i realistically could take it easy and live a peaceful albeit boring life if i wanted to because of grades, but i just cant.
I will chase my dream untill i die, even if it makes my parents dissappointed or if i have to scrape by for as many years as it takes.
You see, mori's phylosophy comes from fear of death. Fear that you life will end and you'll regret not doing what you love.
I felt that way years before i discovered hololive, but she was my wake up call.
If you want to give up your dream is up to you, thats what most people do and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but personally, i cant live with that regret.

>>2753088
15% concentrated power of will. 5% pleasure. 50% pain.
It really doesn't matter to me what numbers she gets but what she does to get there. Her songs feel genuine to me and as has been pointed out already, she had some talent to back up her audition to build up momentum and fame after her debut. All the things you said about timing before are true but you don't capitalize on good timing without preparation.
>>2753262
She also said that she went through some things that don't belong into Hololive and won't be elaborated on. Her roommate's songs point on some things but she's obviously not fond of flexing with your misery.

>>2753185
Seeing how everyone completely failed to predict how HoloEN would do (I think Gura said that she considered that 100k subs would be a success and didn't ever think about hitting 1M) I don't think it's possible to predict accurately what EN2 will look like. Tons of more people started vtubing and do their streaming reps between HoloEN debut and when they started the hiring campaign, so they haven't exhausted the talent pool at all, it might be all top streamers. The only way I see this not being good on the long run is if streams start to very overlap and people choose to watch year-long oshi and not give the new girls a chance. It might especially be bad if they fuck up the debuts again and we have another case like Mori in her first month who everyone found cringe, iirc.

>>2744094
go back to school.
It's would've

>>2753088
>it was all 80% timing 20% skill
Yeah, that's life in general anon, bitching about it doesn't make you any less pathetic.

>>2753088
>it was all 80% timing
...and if Mori wasn't creating constantly, she wouldn't have been able to take advantage of that timing. you think lucky timing would ever happen to someone who just sat on their ass and waited for opportunities to come their way?

>>2753192
>It makes me suspect that successful dreamchasers are only made from having an awful life.
Artists have an incentive for having a shitty life: pain boosts CD sells.
Cursive has a whole song about exactly that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71wFUYUbtjs

>>2753507
Mori herself has a song about it.

ITT: debut TBA seething

By the way, did anyone ever did a Mori diss song as a reply ? I'm kind of surprised we didn't see any. Take all the Mori anti shitpost and make a song about it. I think Mori would find it funny, though it's kinda late for a response.

>>2753523
It's been alluded to in many instances in this thread that if the seething anti focused his energy into reps, he would've made it big. That's the biggest irony in this.

His cope about EN2 eventually succeeding EN, is really funny since, by that time, Mori has already improved on some areas more. Doubly as he is from /jp/ or is pretending to be, because a dogfucker would be going against his sworn allegiance by putting hope on an EN generation, unironically.

>>2753304
Your suggestions make sense to me, but 1 requires moderation. If you get lost in a cycle of self-pity about qualities you cannot develop, this turns counterproductive. So I would suggest not to be the biggest failure in your perception either, just keep looking for people who make you feel that you can be like them. And I think Mori does that for me.
>>2753387
Well, I chose a difficult but safe path and noticed that I need a creative vent outside of work, but I have a hard time accepting how bad I am at anything that isn't work. As Mori said, it's okay to just chill in life but it's not what I want for the rest of mine anymore, now I also need to do things I am horrible and untrained at. Granted, I picked my work up with some kind of life goal in mind (PhysChem PhD), but Mori reminds me that life isn't good enough if you have no way to express yourself creatively, because then your demonds keep hunting you.
Best of luck to you. Sick drawing btw.

>>2753596
a deadbeat unironically made one. He just didn't have the guts to spit it as a vocaroo.

>>2753723
Mine arent that great yet, but ill get there someday. Goodluck to you, deadbeatbro. Were all gonna make it!
Here's one that i did when kiara left japan

>wants to get "lucky" like Mori
>hasn't even put in reps so he wouldn't even know what an opportunity looks like
>bitches about it on /vt/
vtweeters need to stfu and create

>>2753596
You could even do an unironic diss track. I would love to see someone criticize her that way. I feel provoked by some of her songs but never managed to think of concise, lyric-worthy lines. Her whole music is a push against death and one's own limits. Why be so obsessed with something she can't change and only makes her miserable? Why apply different standards to other people than to herself (she said living a chill life until the end is okay but she'd obviously never try that)? Isn't the hardship blinding her for what's important, rewarding her with the exact loneliness she's suffering from, driving her friends away from her and live so much for the future that she doesn't live in the moment?
There certainly is potential to engage with it, and I think her music would be better off if someone would challenge her creatively. And no, it's not too late as long as she is around.

>>2753878
/thread

>>2753605
all oldfags are from /jp/ by default because /vt/ was not a thing 4 months ago, stop trying to fit in and pretend everyone kneeled at Mori during her debut, people hated her stacy energy, they hated her 1fps stream and especially her song, her fans were all global autismo ending up with the legendary farting clip putting deadbeats on suicidewatch.
I'm just a random faggot which came in 250 posts in to respond to anon saying her design has nothing to do with her song's views but couldn't explain why Gura has 2.5 million subs if it wasn't for her design alone and I'm getting framed as from /hlg/, a Mori anti and some fag supporting Vtweeter trannies out of nowhere, truth is no one could have predicted EN success not even themselves so /jp/ from that time were right to believe they'd be at 800/900k at best nowadays

>>2753596
> Take all the Mori anti shitpost and make a song about it
This isn't like the golden age of rap where one can make a diss-track and make it sound good.

You either hate or create, they can't deviate.

This song inspired me to become a VTweeter one day (twitter debut TBA)

>>2753965
except people have proven you otherwise and you still go on with tired timeloop after tired timeloop.

>>2753965
Again, if you put this much energy to this thread to working hard in real life, you've have gotten a better job.

>>2753867
Modesty and ambition go a long way. You definitely have to improve on a technical level, but the work is visible and you are on a good way. You WILL make it if you keep at it.
As for me, I will try to catch up with you.

>all these motivational drives from desperate people with a passion to create taking every opportunity they get
>me, just kinda chilling in an upper middle class suburb with no real passion for anything
am i doomed to just be mediocre? i've never felt a drive or desire to do anything.

>>2754541
>immediately exposes his literal "privileged" living
You really can't make this up.

>>2754575
i mean, if that privilege is getting in the way of me developing a drive to create cool shit that people enjoy, that'd be kind of a bummer, dude

>>2754575
pretty much makes sense now. The idiot is a privileged person who probably celebrated after getting participation medal after participation medal.

>>2754541
You call this, The "Boruto" problem.

>>2754608
never got those in my life. wouldn't even know what they look like. i've just never been pressured for anything in life so i don't know what it's like to have a passion to create something.

>>2754626
so how do i fix it then?

>>2754643
Well, you need to look at things that make you happy, something that's a hobby to you and you think you can excel in that.

>>2754675
anon, i've been in lockdown for over a year, i have depression, nothing makes me happy anymore. i just waste my life away watching holos playing games and making money, but even then i don't feel like streaming myself.

>>2754692
...get into gunpla or any leisure you can do.

>>2754692
You have no drive because you're depressed. You can't just ask
>how do i fix depression
Because the causes can be anything. It could be the context, your personality, hormones or just maybe you're brain is just wired wrong. Go talk to your family, a friend and if you can't do that, go to a therapist and/or get meds.
Try mindful meditation and working out, it's going to help instantly at least.

>>2754842
wish i could afford therapy and medication but i guess i could start by just talking a walk outside. thanks anon.

>>2744815
there's not enough "laughing girls" reaction images to point out how laughable this statement is.