/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>74,504: AZKi (Hololive)
>70,134: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>60,986: Yorumi Rena (Nijisanji)
>59,479: Pekora (Hololive)
>56,523: Shion (Hololive)
>34,880: Toya (Nijisanji)
>30,184: Miko (Hololive)
>25,857: Luca (Nijisanji)
>25,550: Kobo (Hololive)
>20,452: Mumei (Hololive)
>19,774: IRyS (Hololive)
>17,114: Shiina (Nijisanji)
>16,788: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>16,358: Lize (Nijisanji)
>15,866: Iroha (Hololive)
>15,405: Saegusa Akina (Nijisanji)
>14,737: Flare (Hololive)
>14,532: Hizuki Yui (Neo Porte)
>14,306: Koyori (Hololive)
>14,179: Chihiro (Nijisanji)
>13,607: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>13,538: Ars (Nijisanji)
>12,087: Watame (Hololive)
>11,960: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>11,883: Met (774 Inc.)
>11,754: Ina (Hololive)
>11,680: Shu (Nijisanji)
>11,143: Noel (Hololive)
>10,756: Axia (Nijisanji)
>10,280: Shiina (Nijisanji)
>10,000: Chihiro (Nijisanji)

>>27409068
Connor? might also be the new talent kson buff

>>27409113
Connor brings the anituber audience, which Vshojo really doesn't have. Hololive does have that audience though (Hence the high overlap between TT subreddit users and hololive subreddit users)

>>27409279
>Hololive does have that audience
And I wish it didn't.

>>27408236
Do you think he watches Gura's streams?

>>27409339
no because he hates lolis

>>27409331
Alas, that's just how it is. In the west, Vtrubers are anime-adjacent due to the artstyle, so anituber audience ended up watching vtubers when a really shitty season of anime happened. They're not as much of the audience as before, but they're still there.

>>27409246
>JULY 2022 GOLD
1) Miko (Hololive) - 43,044 - Holocure
2) Subaru (Hololive) - 66,433 - Birthday Festival
3) AZKi (Hololive) - 74,504 - Birthday 3D Live

>PER COMPANY
3x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
1x: Miko, Subaru, AZKi

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
121x: Hololive
53x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

Here it goes
>26,367: Luca (Nijisanji)
>20,691: Mumei (Hololive)
>19,800: IRyS (Hololive)
>11,819: Ina (Hololive)
>11,680: Shu (Nijisanji)
>8,867: Mumei (Hololive)
>7,340: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>6,251: Ike (Nijisanji)
>6,047: Millie (Nijisanji)
>5,682: Elira (Nijisanji)
>5,329: Uki (Nijisanji)

>>27409549
KEK this gif is too good

>>27409141
June superchats
>>27236137 :: Hololive
>>27236180 :: Nijisanji
>>27236227 :: Indie/Other


>>27226940 :: NijiEN girls

>>27409467
Anon there hasn't been a really shitty season of anime for a very long time. There's been too many "good" anime. That's one of the big reason for the whole decline in anitubing on yt, too many shit to catch up burn the hell out of those who want to talk about them all and separate those who only catch up one or two show.

>>27409068
Not for general streamers, there was that spanish guy who got posted here a few days back who got like a million people, but for vtubers it sounds within the ballpark. You'll have to check with /lig/ to be sure, but I'm reasonably sure Vshojo as a group never broke past 30k, and I don't recall a isegye stream that's much past 25k

>>27409279
>high overlap between TT subreddit users and hololive subreddit users
Would you really call them fans of hololive though?

>>27409246
A-AZKi, I K-KNEEL!
>SORRY FOR NOT BELIEVING!
Sorry HoloBox! I won’t doubt you again!

>>27405147
>what kind of bullshit is this
Come again you prancing lala homoman.

>>27409700
Anon, this one is a notorious schizo tho. His first appearance in the subreddit was being made aware of Haachama and vowing to watch every one of her VOD, which he did, and make one post per day per VOD he watched.
He didn’t even know vtubers

>>27409246
Another day, another Hololive gold!

I am so happy we are not back in the late May/early June days when the daily race was so boring with Salome winning all the time.

Now, with Hololive winning 31 days during June we are finally back in the most EXCITING races!

We did it, numberbros!

>>27409841

>>27409841
Meds.

>>27409630
Is there a similar chart for the HoloEN girls?

>>27409739
Literally PekoMicomet working together to pull Azki up lmao

>>27409912
It was beautiful

>>27409865

>>27406461
I agree with you overall but I think Niji still has better object tracking than Holo.

Man between this, the whole veibae taiwan thing being dug up and wolf warriors mobilizing again i kinda feel like there are dark clouds on the horizon ahead for vtubing as a whole

>>27409141

>>27209392 :: Median, Top 50
>>27211013 :: Median, 1k plus
>>27211763 :: Median, Full
>>27212290 :: Median, International

>>27213620 :: True Average, full
>>27214207 :: True Average, international
>>27215004 :: True Average, per branch
>>27215211 :: True Average, per company

>>27410041
>vtuber as a whole
How does that impact NijiEN or VSPO, for instance?

>Kobo Vox difference 3.3k
Vox for some reason started losing some subscribers

Top ID Vtubers agencies.

>>27410041
>vtubing as a whole
I don't really think so, vshojo is currently holding all the hot potatoes and the coming weeks will, if the changs actually mobilize, make or break them.

>>27410083
see
>>27410116
wolf warriors are stroking up the anti vtuber fires again

This song really fits AZKI's Gold win https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFN3l2NuoE0

>>27410141
some anon implied that some of rushias former paypig gachikois might be responsible for the twitter thing

>>27410154
First time they did nothing came to the direction of (let’s say) Kuzuha, Mito or Hal.
Isn’t their reach limited to the ones still doing business with China? Most companies aren’t or are doing in a very limited capacity

>>27410130
The gap on views between HoloID and Maha 5 is quite big but this sub difference.. jesas

>>27410215
Has there even been a sign of her gachikois actually lashing out towards her?

>>27410041
>the whole veibae taiwan thing
Spoonfeed me.

>>27410116
Youtube doesn't show the hundred at 6 digit subscribers so his growth must've been slower than it estimated which lead to to the cut.

>>27409246
Pioneers get a win?! Has that happened before? Did even last year's concert get gold for the day?

>>27409700
Not all of them are gonna be like this dude, and some don't necessarily even bother with reddit.

>>27410215
wow, anon and his voices again

>>27410231
>Isn’t their reach limited to the ones still doing business with China?
from what im seeing yeah whoever has some fans or fanbase in china might be affected

>>27410130
you really should count all of the JP and ex-KR niji livers alongside the ex-IDs. the ex-IDs belong to the same branch as the other two now.

>>27410116
>Kobo Vox difference 6k
Vox subs count suddenly shut up after the decrease and he's still gaining more

>>27410083
NijiEN are highly reliant on China, to a degree that would be severely debilitating if that market dropped off significantly. Any reorganization of the Coco-era bug vigilantes would be easily able to turn on them in the event that one of their many retarded talents made a misstep.

>>27410303
She just acknowledged that Taiwan was a country on stream. Normally not an issue in-and-of-itself, but now that Kson is no longer an indie, and wolf warriors view Corpo = success.....
I don't wish ill on anyone, but it looks like we're headed for Taiwan yab: electric boogaloo 2

>>27410041
They are talking about nijijp and en though?

>>27410303
pro taiwan stance

>>27410311
Okay, noted anon.

>>27410374
Botting?

>>27410494
Kobot

>>27410430
They scrubbed that clip from youtube but when I saw it she was directly mocking China. It would be a shame if someone hunted it down and reintroduced it to the wider public.

>>27410303
Said taiwan was a country which made west taiwan mad an now bugs are digging those up along with some supposed video of her mocking west taiwan

>>27410130
seeing nijisanji at 3rd place is weird

>>27410215
I still don't understand why she joined VS in the first place. That whole company is the complete antithesis of her bread and butter. People can parrot all the VShojo=/=VShoujoJP cope that they want but at least when both Niji and Holo dabbed into the EN market they were already courting an audience who were used and expected the JP style of vtubing. I legit hope that KSon didn't do something as dumb as to NOT thoroughly explain to Rushia what VShoujo is because I can't imagine the fallout if she agreed to joining without having a clue as to what the other VShoujos actually do for "content"

>>27410563
Oh right, i forgot that vshojo actually sometimes issue takedowns on compromising clips

>>27410563
>It would be a shame if someone hunted it down and reintroduced it to the wider public
some chink already did one anon posted a screenshot in one of the bait threads before meidos cleaned it up

>>27410430
honestly i want to believe vshojo was aware something like this could happen letting her join the corpo but they will probably leave all on kson to resolve it...

>>27410624
>I legit hope that KSon didn't do something as dumb as to NOT thoroughly explain to Rushia what VShoujo is
I didn't even think about that.

>>27410430
>>27410609
Would the chinkspam be more or less manageable on Twitch than on YouTube?

>>27410696
some anon said they have better anti spam on twitch but i doubt their gonna stick to twitch for the jp branch

>>27410346
Most of the vtubing industry is safe then

>>27410235
HoloID had something no other ID branch had:
>a mile high box to step on to rise above the rest
Here is their top streams removing debuts and outfit reveals

Excluding Debuts and outfit reveals here is how high this Kobo stream ranks in the top streams of the branch

>47148 :: 2021-06-24 :: Moona Hoshinova :: 【Minecraft】Usaken Matsuri Moona Relay Part!【#うさ建ステージリレー】
>37912 :: 2021-01-25 :: Airani Iofifteen :: 【#AKUKIN本社建設リレー】AKUKIN本社に花を!Gonna Make 'em Pretty 【hololiveID】
>33580 :: 2020-12-01 :: Moona Hoshinova :: 【Minecraft】Let's build something with Usada Kensetsu【PekoMoon】
>29748 :: 2021-08-21 :: Moona Hoshinova :: 【#ホロ鯖ENポータルリレー / #HOLOserverPORTAL】It's Moona turn !!! Yeay!!!【Moona Hoshinova / hololiveID】
>29360 :: 2021-02-15 :: Moona Hoshinova :: 【Freetalk Celebration】Totsumachi birthday!! Call me!【Moona】
>25691 :: 2022-07-03 :: Kobo Kanaeru :: 【UNARCHIVED KARAOKE】toilet【Kobo Kanaeru】
>24418 :: 2021-08-21 :: Kureiji Ollie :: 【#ホロ鯖ENポータルリレー / #HOLOserverPORTAL】SECOND IN LINE OLLIE'S NEXT!!【Hololive ID 2nd Gen】
>22879 :: 2021-08-21 :: Pavolia Reine :: 【#ホロ鯖ENポータルリレー / #HOLOserverPORTAL】It's Reine's turn!!! 【hololiveID 2nd gen】
>22045 :: 2022-06-05 :: Kobo Kanaeru :: 【KARAOKE】:)【Kobo Kanaeru / hololive ID】

Other than the Minecraft collabs there is
>Moona totsu (with JP and others)
>Kobo

>>27410041
>vtubing as a whole
Nah. It's vshojo problem now.

>>27410437
Translate?

>>27410696
They will depend on Twitter a lot for their initial push and they have no moderation tools for their hashtags

>>27410696
Way better. Twitch has better anti-spam tools since it was a platform DESIGNED For streaming, so nonsense like wheelbarrows are kinda old-hat to them.

>>27409246
>10,000: Chihiro (Nijisanji)
checked

>>27410832
>>27404451

What will the first Myth to play Holocure get?

Ever since the Vshojo announcement Holo sub reddit is dead. How is the rest of the EN fanbase is recieving it

>>27410083
nta but was the some nijien talents unfollowed kson after joining vshojo rrat ever proven? cause nijien management might have been given a heads up from b2 to insulate themselves from her

>>27410690
Fucking hell anon! I said that in jest but now I can't stop thinking if that might really be the case.

>>27410838
Yea, that's going to be a real issue. Twitter is kinda bad at having tools to handle that sort of thing for the afflicted parties.
>>27410041
While I do feel for kson to some extent, she's not going to have nearly the level of support she did when she was Coco. There aren't nearly as many loyal Tatsunokos as before, and going back on your word to join a corpo just because you couldn't cut it as an indie?
Well....Good luck to her, but I know that any sort of residual loyalty and fondness I had for her is gone and I wish her the best of luck.

>>27410319
nope, Azki got something like 35k last year.

>>27410930
Depends who it is.

>Aoeey NotBora, NotAloe, 10k is for grownups

>>27410965
Understanding of Kson's situation and was even one of the people who had a feeling that she'd do it, understanding why she felt the need to do it, but disappointed nonetheless.
I'll just leave her be and move on, taking that slim 0.001% chance she'd ever come back and make some sort of surprise appearance at least, and killing it.

>>27410981
Well, can any of the Vshojo girls speak japanese well enough or does rushia have to rely on kson to explain exactly what she is getting into?

>>27410083
Don’t forget that Mysta recognized Taiwan as its own country early on and the fujos tried to bury it.

>>27410696
question is will they stick to twitch for their jp branch though? cause as far as i know the jp vtuber audience in twitch is not that big

>>27411049
say it is Gura

>>27410494
fujos are in panic about their lord will get mogged by child

>>27411089
>the fujos tried to bury it.
kek

Apparently in kson member stream one of things she mentioned is that she got screwed as an indie like she did in hololive. Having an ceo actually want to help her out push her to vshojo.But there be more info in the offical stream.

>>27411089
Well, if you have fujos, you can do anything. It's just that most don't.

>>27411074
I don't expect Michelangelo and Kson to be the only two JP members.

>>27411150
Sure, clip it

>>27411089
Well, it helps that none of jungang or actual crazy wolf warriors give two shits about the NijiEN guys.

>>27410969
One thing is for sure: they used to follow her. I don’t know if they unfollow because I don’t have an account. Nina for sure, Finana too

>>27411150
source?

>>27411150
This sounds nonsensical, any proof?

>>27411109
30k. Not sure how much more she gets than that, but 30k seems to be a good ~around there, accounting for the fact that NOT have played it, and there's a decent overlap between NOT and S fanbases.

>>27410969
I've yet to see any proof any of them even followed her.

>>27411150
Here is one funny thing they say: when a woman is going through her fourth divorce, the realization sets in that
>maybe it was not the ex husbands

>>27411220
>>27411198
>>27411219
It's her membership watchalong for the transporter it's also in japanese. I'm not going to clip her membership read the kson thread.

>>27411150
so she's too retarded to make it on her own?

>>27411150
Yea, I'll wait for an official stream and/or someone willing to clip that before taking your word for it.

Btw, talking about Kobo
This is doing decent number

>>27411150
>like she did in hololive
She wouldn't say that. Not because she doesn't think it, but because it'd just be a very stupid thing to say out loud.

>>27411325
so rosemi membership stream then

>>27410965
What is the nijinigger obsession with declaring that reddit dead? Literally no difference in its numbers at all. Seriously link something to support the claim

>>27410696
Twitch has been dealing with similar issues for years, they have much better tools for dealing with spam so yeah, I wouldn't be worried too much about that.
Honestly I think the threat of chinese antis is way overblown. They were a major problem for hololive because Hololive had alot of dealings with china back in the day and there was a serious concern that enough zhangs bitching about it might actually cause cover to bend to their will. Vshojo has no ties to china and no desire to put the chinese market over their domestic market, so without that the zhangs are no different from any other group of antis. They'll be a nuisiance but not much more than that.

>>27410984
You didn't flip into an anti so that's a good thing. Former fans make the worst antis.

>>27411216
wolf warriors did try to harass the guys but the fujos defeated them if i recall

>>27411355
niji has this kind of fan content

>>27411274
Here anon, from a source that can’t be forged
>>/vt/thread/S13205793

>>27411367
I will never not laugh at this shit

>>27411411
honestly im just glad that theyre gonna shift their resources away from fubuki now

Here is what they were talking about, it still sounds retarded but oh well.
>>27399742

>>27411344
Probably realized how much work it would be, without the guarantee of any reward.

>>27411480
Thanks 4chan for the time capsule

>>27411498
You're so naive. There will be just as many on Friend as on KEKson. The bugs have learned art of funneling. For wheelbarrows.

>>27411574
>She didn’t say she was screwed over because she was an indie, but that she doesn’t like the way other companies (including her previous one) are the only ones who have any say over their streamers’ characters, rights and money, and can suddenly change the rules and then those livers aren’t able to do anything about it. Vshojo doesn’t take any money from their stream revenue, and they let their streamers do whatever they want without restricting them, she wanted to do something similar before so that’s why she joined them.
Oh so she just wanted the rights and likeness of coco to belong to her then and not to the corpo

>>27411650
I don’t get. If it’s not “got screwed as an indie” what’s she getting out of signing that she didn’t have as an indie?

>>27411498
Honestly fubuki has the exact same thing going on, the chinese are a nuisance but not much more, and honestly you paying attention to them is probably the most noteworthy thing they've ever accomplished these days

>>27411650
Watch her receive one of the habsburg models and in a few years we will find out that vshojo has trademarked all the models after joining or some bullshit like that.

>>27411732
Yeah as long as vshojo has good management they can survive the harassment from the zhangs and the antis

>>27411650
>I wanted to have the cake and eat it too
>why can't I get everything I want!?
>Stupid companies!

>>27411732
In Hololive, sure. But what about the new prey?

>>27411613
Gwelu still follows Kson. Anycolor is gonna graduate him for that.

>>27411782
>vshojo
>good management
Well, it was a sub optimal run, but a run nonetheless.

>>27411650
Fuck, I didn't know that this bitch is friggin stupid
Now I feel really bad for Yogiri

>>27411811
see >>27411411
unless Veibae herself caves in to the chink's harrasment, there's really nothing that they can accomplish

>>27411428
Eh, half-assed attempts are hardly the crazy ones. You know the ones, the ones that won't stop. If they did stop THOSE, well, I don't trawl the chinese part of the net (on account of not being able to read a lick of it) so I wouldn't know.
>>27411718
She gets some degree of protection by being pseudo-corpo (which Vshojo is, for now) without having to give up the rights to Kson. Simple as. Also someone to help her manage merch shit, which she did get fucked on once and probably finds the entire issue a massive headache.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQOApjsgi8I
>Unlisted
What is she so afraid of?

>>27411055
man, saviorfags are wild

>>27411718
As an indie she had to navigate sponsorship deals and dealing with manufacturers/distributors to launch merch. A proper agency will take care of that for you which she wanted. Small twitch creators get fucked sideways by bad deals because they cant read contracts, dont know fair market value, or the value of their own brand.

t. Someone who does merch runs for creators

>>27411880
doesn't she always do that?

relieved to see nijisanji didn't shove some en into koushien
guess they're saving that one for next year as things always can get worse

>>27411811
Would they even bother spamming twitch ?

>>27411880
she always does that

>>27411931
Yep, sounds about right and matches what I said >>27411874

I’ll sound shallow but the final nail in my (admittedly superficial) relationship with Kson was nothing related with Vshojo but this tweet
https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1543373958405181440

For fuck sake, if she can’t fucking admit she’s gobbling pizza (which she actually already admits) and has to blame America, society and disclaim her clear out of shape form as “thicc” (which that is definitely not, it’s just plain old fat) what else she’s pushing the blame to others?

>>27411863
Maybe. All I can hope is that one or many in Vshojo fuck up so bad that bugs forget about Hololive completely.

>>27410041
I don't really see this affecting Vshojo much. As far as I know Vshojo doesn't do much business with chinks in the first place, they don't even have their own bilibili channels.
Worst case scenario they'll lose some chinese fans and wont stream chink gacha anymore if any of them play it. Maybe some schizos will shit up their twitter tags for a while.
I think the autistic nips that were bitching about them streaming anime could have a bigger impact.

>>27411976
If they got riled up enough over Kson being corpo again?
They could try, but Twitch isn't youtube, and on this front I will easily concede that Twitch has far better tools to handle wheelbarrowing than Youtube does (and chat-handling tools in general).

>>27412001
Here is the pic that motivated it. Pushing blame to others is a character flaw

>>27411931
So is Vshojo offering the best possible offer out of all other agency?

>>27412001
anon, that's just Kson's brand of humour. Like, no, really, that's the kind of jokes she makes on stream. If that turns you off then you really don't have much of a relationship with her in the first place.

>>27412063
big oof

>>27412014
>Vshojo doesn't do much business with chinks in the first place
I wonder if TheGunRun is sourcing the parts for his wonder streaming backpack from some other country

>>27412014
Yea. If Anime corps wanna throw DMCA shit at Vshojo over this shit, now that they have a Japanese branch, they're far more 'fair game' in their eyes than before when they were purely a western thing.

>>27412110
It didn’t ring like that to me, specially the “yaaass queen, you tell them” reactions from her audience

>>27412014
Im more worried that the chinks will harass miguel in order to have her go nuclear again

>>27412063
jeez, she's let herself go.

>>27412014
time to smack them hard with piracy violations and lack of permissions

>>27412107
Yes. They have most money and biggest platform. Only Niji can compete.

>>27412133
chink mass manufacturers don't care what spergs online are doing.

>>27410430
Nice, fuck vshojo

>>27412190
I mean, the audience reaction is more of vshojo twitter followers being heavily lefty (and thus more YAAS QUEEN types) than anything. Can't really blame kson for the twitter replies.

>>27412133
chink factories dont care about it unless the ccp orders them to

>>27412195
Wouldn't you implement safe guards as a company when you decide to become a nuclear waste storage facility?

>>27412230
It's pretty funny that Kson chose to go to Vshoujo over Nijisanji.
I know her reason, and it makes sense, but it's just a funny thing to say out loud.

>>27412290
problem is kson might be that safeguard

>>27412107
Hololive and Nijisanji make nobodies with their brand. VShojo hasn't shown they really offer anything comparative yet, all their talents came in with their own audiences and models.

>>27411325
So no source?

>>27412326
I wonder if Mellisa would be interested

>>27412190
well you already admired that you are only superficially interested in her anyways, and I don't like her that much to spend my time and effort begging you to not leave, so I'll leave it at that. Just putting it out that that's just how her humour works

>>27412244
Nah, unless they actually make a push for YouTube, they'll be mostly fine on Twitch since everyone has access to the moderation tools to handle the kind of nonsense spam that they pull on YouTube.

>>27412107
For small to medium sized indies. Yes. But once you get to a certain point when merch becomes most of your income, No. They take a bigger piece of the pie for merch in exchange for not taking anything from stream donations. That's all well and good for VShoujo for now since their merch game is still pretty small but if they ever start pulling Niji or god forbid Holo numbers for merch, we may very well have a reverse George Lucas/20th century fox situation where George gave Fox a bit more of the OG star wars upfront profit but got to keep profits from merch sales which ended up being the main money maker for the franchise

>>27412190
It's clearly a joke. I'm guessing you're probably somewhere on the spectrum and have trouble picking up stuff like that, or maybe it's a linguistic thing? IDK. I see the same reaction to a lot of Kiara and Pomu's humor, it just doesn't scan for some people for whatever reason.

>>27412343
Thinking Kson would be able to handle mike's mena tendencies is optimistic.

So what's going on with Membership gifting? This is two streams in a row that fauna doesn't have it, and Kiara doesn't have it on either. Ina does though, so what gives? Did they actually find an off switch?

>>27411150
>kson could create her own company and do it better than cover
Where are those deluded tatsunokcucks that acted like she was a guru in business administration?

>>27412367
>all their talents came in with their own audiences and models
>kson
>her own audience
jej

>>27412133
They would probably get into more trouble if they tried to mess with a business in their own country

>>27412433
Kiara turned it off after a stream with it on.

>>27412420
Wait so how does vshojo fit into ksons pop up store? Do they also get a slice of that pie or is that all on her?

>>27410680
> all on kson to resolve it...
lol leave hololive wasn't a good idea after all, bitch

>>27412326
There's a lot of reasons but the biggest is that Nijisanji would offer her jack and shit other than sticking it's hand in her pocket for 30% of her revenue.

>>27412454
Bear in mind Veibae came in with roughly the same amount of live viewers and look at where she is now

>>27412536
that and the whole b2 thing which automatically makes kson radioactive to them

>>27412420
Vshoujo only takes a cut of Vshoujo group merch, if you sell your own personal merch you keep it. But you also fund it 100% on your own.

>>27412522
General rule of thumb is, if Vshojo had a hand in doing it, they get a cut of the profit. If the talent themselves handle everything, they get to keep everything.

>>27412560
I have literally zero knowledge about Veibae. My point was that kson's audience came from Hololive.

>>27409841
stay mad nijinigger

>>27412431
I heard some anon said that she managed to handle it in the past

>>27412629
>>27412635
Sounds reasonable. Give them a cut to handle the admin shit, but put down the money yourself to maintain profit while cutting down on headaches.

>>27412629
>if Vshojo had a hand in doing it, they get a cut of the profit. If the talent themselves handle everything, they get to keep everything
Isn't this exactly what Cover is doing?

>>27412716
Yeah

>>27412522
I'm assuming that she got a better deal/contract that's more favorable to her in exchange for signing with VS. Then again, after she got fleeced during her indie stint and how she clearly underestimated how hard the backoffice part of content creation is, I'm starting to think that she's not as business savy as I originally thought she was.

>>27412430
>>27412390
>>27412110
I understand this is one of those “you have to have a high IQ to understand” type of jokes and I’m the first to admit I not only don’t follow her from this close and may not the best audience for subtle jokes but it sincerely touched me wrong to see her go straight to “it’s other peoples fault” in this matter after doing likewise in her other more serious matters, always with my full trust it was really other people’s fault.

I’m not a part of her community tho so it doesn’t really matter.

>>27412396
their twitter hashtags are going to be a mess though, specially when some of them get easily triggered about shitposting about trannies, etc.

>>27412741
Who fleeced her as an indie, and how?

>>27412716
Cover also takes 30% of all earnings by default, but otherwise yes

>>27412748
You don't need to explain yourself anon, the base assumption about anyone here is that they are somewhere on the spectrum.

>>27412802
They didn’t, she mentioned they tried but she didn’t take the bad deal

>>27412629
Oh, so like Cover then. My bad. I thought that applied for all of their merch.

>>27411411
Except you are forgetting a group, The group that Hates Vshojo. They may join in. And then the possibility of a New Coke situation, were most do not care, but the ones who did hate it hated so much that most would take something else. If Vshojo gets enough hate towards their way, most people will turn away from it.

>>27412802
only story i know is when she ordered a 3d model and the guy she ordered it from added two extra zeros at the end for the price but she didnt take the deal

>>27412110
>>27412430
It wasn't a joke. She was clearly hurt by that remark that she tried to prove she was not fat

>>27412839
Being ESL and from a different culture doesn’t help either, around here it’s frowned upon to try to shift blame, even as a joke

>>27412877
>She was clearly hurt by that remark that she tried to prove she was not fat
man she's gonna have a rough time

>>27412877
Okay yeah, if she's getting this hung up on it then she was definitely not joking.

>>27412781
yeah but the thing is, do the chinese antis actually understand what to post about, or are they just going to shitpost about texas succession and american war crimes because they are bugmen and think that'll trigger them?

>>27412877
>replying to trolls in twitter
why does everyone do this
this never leads to anywhere good
trolls will smell the blood in the water

Look how long it took twitch to do something about hate raids.

>>27412877
I guess she was lucky that the chinks never made fun of her weight.

>>27410430
If i remember correctly she only said that to make fun of holos for being scaredy cats and to show how based she was. Imagine if that gimmick bites her ass in the end rumao

>>27412965
depends if its just the regular zhang antis then yeah theyre just gonna shitpost about texas succession but the coordinated ones know what they are doing

>>27412965
>chinese antis
you know there are chinks living in america and canada too right?

>>27412912
Ah yea, then if is a culture thing. For Kson, shitting on American culture while being fond of it is just par for the course, so it's just more of the same here.

So from my understanding the reason Coco left was because she didn't have the full control of her vtuber avatar. And she couldn't digest the fact that in the vtubing Industry the agencies have the upper hand when it came to negotiations and money.
So doesn't it sound like that the Vshojo is the ideal business model for vtubers? What's their cons?

>>27412965
Feel like they are just going to do the same thing as before, maybe spam gore/nonsense. They aren't as big as they were before anyway.

>>27413153
and those chinks will care any of this taiwan shit because...?

>>27412716
No it's not Vshojo and hololive are like yin and yang. Vshojo let's their talent pretty much function as an indie. Yet they help with thing merch and lawyer issue. Also when you join vshojo you own your model and when you leave you get to keep your model. Their very little downsides to joining vshojo. Hololive they have the talent pay for the merch and 3d lives. If you not careful you could end up in the red. Hololive you also have to ask for permissions for everything. In vshojo you can play and do whatever you want without permissions. In all vshojo in an optimal nijisanji. In hololive the fanbase freaks out when an talent talks to an male in vshojo some of the talents have boyfriends and they are encouraged to pursue their own love life outside of unicorns.

>>27413196
>So doesn't it sound like that the Vshojo is the ideal business model for vtubers? What's their cons?
you need to be popular and have an audience with you if you wanna get in vshojo

>>27413225
cause they are chinks

>>27412877
Oh.
Sigh, goddamnit just roll with it and move on, why oh why do people go out of their way to feed the trolls.

>>27413196
Most of the money comes from merch

>>27412965
The point of polluting a hashtag is different from “making controversial statements”, see what happened with that bilibili manwa app started hijacking trending tags and all of a sudden the art tag of some girls started becoming unusable.

Given Nyanners relationship with this site and western antis, it wouldn’t be impossible if zhangs ended up in a sort of “marriage of convenience” with what could be called a “NyannersJunsGang”, if I can explain it like that

>>27413236
>In vshojo you can play and do whatever you want without permissions
Can they even do that now that they have a japanese branch?

>>27413236
lol

>>27413236
>In hololive the fanbase freaks out when an talent talks to an male

>>27413265
anon you might want to get your brain looked at if you honestly believe that enough people here hate nyanners to the point that they would willingly collaborate with chinks. You might as well ask them to collaborate with israelis.

>>27413225
foreign exchange student chinks are the most radicalized chinks and guess where many of them are going to school

>>27413236
That sa hilariously warped and optimistic view of things (and the fact that Vei and Nyanners are taking viewership hits over their antics seem to point to something? I dunno, what could it be?) that discount the fact that they are now entering a market that DOES care about permissions.

>>27409246
60K minimum to stand on the podium. The numbers have been crazy this weekend.

Why did nijiEN unfollow Kson? Are they really that afraid of angering their Chinese fanbase?

>>27413236
Please use english

>>27413252
>roll with it
lmao

>>27413196
>What's their cons?
In return for your compliance a streamer like Aki can make 163k USD in birthday merch alone.

>>27411325
>not going to clip
Ah, so complete bullshit then

>>27413236
>play anything without permission
>jp branch
lel

>>27413393
yes

>>27413393
sasuga nijiCN

>>27413105
>talked shit about holos
>her collab with kiara got cancelled
>makes fun of her copycat
>portion of her audience left to watch said copycat instead
>now this
The whore can't keep losing

>>27413254
Yes but vshojo is also providing them and the it looks like their members can always do the merch thing on their own and take 100% of the earnings while in Cover you still have to give up some percentage of that earning because it's the company which has the rights to their model

>>27413105
>Imagine if that gimmick bites her ass in the end rumao
I want this to happen simply because of how funny it'd be, karma at its finest

>>27413196
Vshojo is going the lucas route of getting higher rev share on merch. Which we should all know by now makes the most money for a talent. Kson is going to realize this after her first rev split from vshojo.

>>27413236
>imagine not knowing Sora motherfucking Senpai not only collab with men but did so in fucking person
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RPK7v7Hn1iI

>>27411820
Gwelu graduation announcement is still next month.

>>27413550
>Yes but vshojo is also providing them and the it looks like their members can always do the merch thing on their own and take 100% of the earnings while in Cover you still have to give up some percentage of that earning because it's the company which has the rights to their model
Sure, you can get 100% if you spend all your time trying to not get scammed

>>27413357
>believe that enough people here hate nyanners to the point that they would willingly collaborate with chinks.
I’ve seen stranger alliances, specially for the lulz.

>>27413393
Anon you saw how they are treating Luxiem, and Luxiem's entire profitability comes from how popular they are with the chinks. If the chinks turn on them now they are going to lose half their market and possibly a keystone of their entire business strategy, and given that they just went for an IPO they really cannot afford that.

>>27413642
Anon, please don't so that, that's a red flag for watamage to graduate hour Oshi...

>>27413357
>ou might as well ask them to collaborate with israelis.
isnt one of the clippers for idolcorp someone from /pol/?

>>27411820
>>27413642
I unironically believe that. His erratic behavior since early this year and his complaints about management favoritism are the reasons these rrats are believable

where did these vshojo shills come from

>>27413590
I imagine that’s why Vshojo pushed hard for GSC merch

>>27413474
>he thinks vshojo jp will run as a separate japanese company
you are just confused because you think that hololive en can play whatever they want because they are american, but they still follow the same rules as jp because hololive is a jp company and are run by jp executives.
>anyways just drive by shitposting

>>27413236
>In vshojo you can play and do whatever you want without permissions.
Jun'sgang will take care of that. Now that vshojo is playing on the bigger leagues they have to follow the guidelines

>>27413704
Watamage is just a dumb meme

This month's graduation is Mayuzumi, which niji do you think has the highest chance to graduate the next month?

>>27413717
that sounds hilarious

>>27413704
Gwelu is my oshi

>>27413736
They are part of the marketing campaign

>>27413726
Isn't he another one of the Niji's who helps organize things? Or am I getting him mixed up with someone else?

>>27413743
so kson and miguel are gonna stream in america then?

>>27413422
Anon I'm concerned about the money I know holomembers make a lot of money I was talking about Vshojo's structure as company. It sounds the better than others companies. Though you have to be already popular

>>27413550
So it's a choice of making some money but keeping all of it or making a lot of money even after Cover takes a cut.

>>27413772
Red ridonculus

>>27413803
yes. If Mayuzumi is their Fubuki then Gwelu is like what you'd get if you cross Haachama with Mio

>>27413800
Ah shit.
>>27413761
YOU TAKE THAT BACK

>>27413772
mito. she's in the middle of a menhera breakdown and her relevance is fading.

>>27413836
I keep hearing about this, why?

>>27413736
They were always here.

>>27413892
nah mito is the one talent they wouldn't let go even if it means cutting of luxiem

>niji interns
>vshojo shills
what will be the next delusion that holofags will make up

>>27413393
It's in the name NijiCN
tried updating the logo so it's easier to paste on anything, readying for 4th of july

>>27413760
I think I've said it before, but you know what would be funny? Jungang attacking the JPs and the other VShojo girls crying and vagueposting about how this place was the one behind everything because all the elevens love them.

>>27410608
Worse is when you know that there are 19 Niji ID livers while there are only 7 Maha5 vtubers.

>>27413644
NTA but from what their fans saying Vshojo does provide assistance for that too. You know making contacts with manufacturers. Their talents just have to go to their company affiliated manufacturers

>>27413938
that vshojo will actually be successful

>>27413930
Are you really sure about that?

>>27413930
anon if Mito herself wants to go there's nothing they can do to stop her.

>>27413938
>t. niji intern/vshojo shill

>>27413872
Egh. That would actually be really serious then. You can lose a bunch of low tier shitters that don't do anything. You can even lose one or two high flyers if good reasoning is given, but losing too many coordinators, especially when there are so many talents to wrangle, is really really REALLY bad.

So, which Hololive stream will win gold tomorrow?

>>27413990
And that assistance is not free

>>27413929
Ah yes. And then what happened?
Vei and Pink car decided it'd be a GREAT idea to take a flamethrower to their audience and this hours streamed.

>>27413644
nta but vshojo actually has better support when it comes to marketing and making their merch due to their management

>>27414019
Isn't it Kiara's birthday?

>>27413393
>Why did nijiEN unfollow Kson?
That didn't happen though. At least not as a result of this announcement. You can easily check if people unfollowed anyone recently.
https://socialblade.com/twitter/user/ninakosaka/monthly
Nina didn't unfollow anyone since the start of June for example and she is apparrently one of the girls that unfollowed her because of all this.
https://socialblade.com/twitter/user/rosemi_lovelock/monthly
Rosemi didn't unfollow anyone in the last two weeks and she was apparently one of the ones that unfollowed kson because she joined vshojo

Where did all these vshojo shills come from?

>>27413807
I understand what you are talking about. Vshojo is structure to be less of a company and more of a “coop”, with the managerial structure being accountants, lawyers and people to manage mercy production, and they do it for a fixed rate without taking editorial control over your output.

But you made an important caveat there:
>you have to be already popular
Think about the market: how many kson and how many Koyori PL exists?

Cover will likely just increase their non compete for the next gens from 1 year to 2 years and kill any chance of other companies deliberately poaching people they turn famous, closing the source of talent for VShojoJP, considering the source of talent for Cover themselves (NicoNico) dried a long ago and now they rely on genuine scouting and “nepo” hires

>>27412107
I bet it has something to do with the profit cut, Hololive takes a lion share of 50%, while maybe Vshojo is content with only 15% or something.

>>27414162
discord

I mean from the looks of things vshojo is actually more competent than nijisanji seeing as how theyre getting new members while nijisanji is bleeding them
I would not be surprised that a year from now vshojo will be the name synonymous with the word vtubing

Taking this moment to showcase the official /#/ roster for /vt/ League 3.
I had to remove ACCELERATE because /nijiEN/ already had him as a player, so instead 10-2 took its place as a starter, and ">Vods" got added to the roster.

Last post I'll make for a while about the team, see you in september for the league!

>>27414150
>recently
Fact is they were following her at some point and then management told them to unfollow her.

>>27412107
Hololive takes 80% of the profit cut if theyre involved and takes 40% if it came from the talents pocket while vshojo just takes 5-10%

>>27414108
Proof in next thread?

>>27414266
>10-2
that isn't even a meme from here

>>27414162
You realize this is not a hololive general, right? I watch every major corpo except hololive and will make a point to put down hololive at every opportunity, or start up jp vs en timeloops when I can't do that. It's better than letting this general become a Yagoo circlejerk since the rrats that get peddled here filter out to other generals, the catalogs, and also facebook reddit and discord.

>>27414145
no, that's like four days later

Oh yeah, I saved this schizo rant.

>>27413976
>Jungang attacking the JPs and the other VShojo girls crying and vagueposting about how this place was the one behind everything
Anon, if you walk the “right” circles in this site you’ll get blamed for EVERYTHING anyway.
I’ve seen fucking 4chan shitposts presented as evidence in congressional hearings, being the scapegoat of the internet shouldn’t be anything new

>>27414335
Without hololive brand and character, those talents wouldn't even be able to sell 1%

>>27414145
That's on the 5th. And it wont win gold regardless, she's managed to avoid all the major prime times.

>>27414404
holoboard, holothread. you don't like it, you can set up shop in /lgbt/ instead.

>>27414438
Kson managed to and she's not part of the hololive brand so is nyanners and mouse

>>27411150
she never got screwed in hololive, she left on her own terms.

>>27414266
>10-2
wish this thread had settled on using 28-3 for that instead, it's a more iconic slip and a bigger one at that

>>27413236
So... Shouldn't Vshojo be a threat to Nijisanji instead of Hololive?
Hololive fans don't want to have anything to do with them, their style is completely different and people can shit on unicorns as much as they want, but they are the most willing to spend hundreds of dollars each month in whatever merch holomembers release

>>27414404
>literally coming to a holoboard and seething about hololive
kek

>>27414266
don't forget the logo

>>27414488
kson would be a nobody without hololive

>>27414335
We have never been given hard numbers on merch %. We only know that if the talents are involved with designs and production costs, they reap a far larger share.

>>27413804
I don't know what you are talking about.
you cannot commit crimes in other countries unless you are explicitly given amnesty or if the country doesn't cooperate.
For non civil crimes you have extradition (cooperation in sharing information with law forces, arrest the person and send them back) and then you have civil crimes (like copyright), and in civil cases the company can just enter the country, assemble a legal team, and start the lawsuit process.
It's true that in japan the law system is more stricter than america's, but because kson is part of vshojo, game companies would need to sue vshojo, not kson, because she is just an employee (unless I am incorrect).

>>27414404
Same I hate it when they peddle the fake discord photo of our livers and it spread to the community good to know that there are people like me that want to cripple this thread

>>27414266
> ">Vods" got added to the roster.
kek

If you need a replacement player use “>vods” cousin, “ratiocope”

>>27414382
One anon tried to force it. It stuck for a day or two

This thread became /vsj+/ with all the delusional posting and shilling

>>27414266
>not a single mention of lewdposting
ngmi

>>27411944
Would a someone in another country even be able to get rights for a Japanese only game?

>>27414404
ALRIGHT BOYS, GUESS ITS TIME TO VISIT SOME NON-HOLO GENERALS AND SHIT EM UP!!!

>>27414551
>fake discord photo
Wait I thought that was real and it's alright because everyone thinks the same? Which is it?

>>27414404
>I admit being retarded and feel proud of it
Ogey

>>27414231
Not with the type of content they don't, anon. VS is in this weird spot where they're bigger than any start up group but small enough to still fly under the radar. The whole VShoujoJP thing honestly feels like an overstep for them since JP is notorious for having sticks up there ass when it comes to copyright shit. Even nijisanji who's motto is "better to ask forgiveness than ask permission" has had to cancel stuff like merch due to copyright reasons.

>>27414545
>It's true that in japan the law system is more stricter than america's, but because kson is part of vshojo, game companies would need to sue vshojo, not kson, because she is just an employee (unless I am incorrect)
Kson the name/brand belongs to kson and not vshojo yes? so they can sue "kson" without suing vshojo since they dont own the kson brand

>>27414648
It's real.
>Petra
was the one who accidentally leaked it

>>27414488
Anon, kson left Hololive with the biggest sendoff any vtuber would ever get, that is after being the highest superchat earner of the globe and the victim of an attack so serious members of the Japanese chamber of international commerce (whatever their name) has to be briefed on it.

Had it been my beloved Haachama, she would get a 80k send off and become the next deltaya if she was lucky

>>27414266
Three nijijp reps, more than the nijien generals! True unity!

>>27414616
What do you expect from dead hours? There are no numbers to be had right now.

>>27414619
I didn't choose the players, the thread did. If it were up to me a bunch of classic /#/ memes like ILLEGAL VIEWS FUNNELLING would be in

>>27414532
Can't forget!

>>27414616
look buddy I don't exactly like vshojo but I'm not going to let shitposting get in the way of a good discussion, and honestly this is a pretty interesting discussion to have because we don't usually talk about vshojo and their industry practices

>>27414756
can't you add illegal views funneling in place of vods? I feel like it'd fit alot better

>>27414647
It's that time of the day again where I need to take some dumps on other threads

>>27414765
hi intern-kun. i'd recognise your posting style anywhere.

>>27414765
>discussion
>paint vshojo in an entirely positive light
>paint hololive in an entirely negative light
pure schizo

>>27406963
>Afterglow is a great song!
>Once again, I thought we are on the continuation of our respective dreams even though our paths have diverged.

He's happy for her by all accounts.

>>27414648
It is real. There are still some who claim it's fake to this day though and some even claim it's too blurry to see anything even though you can clearly see 99%. There was only like one word I was unable to make out on it.

>>27414266
>6 niji-related players on starting 11
Just admit you're a nijinigger

>>27414827
oh piss off asswipe

>>27414765
lmao

>>27410696
kson already has the spam protection on her account. the real problem is Nazuna especially if she chooses youtube as her main platform.

>>27414765
>good discussion

>>27414744
>Had it been my beloved Haachama, she would get a 80k send off and become the next deltaya if she was lucky
I mean let's be real, any graduation would pull big numbers. Random 3d lives can pull 60k, graduations get a hell of a lot more tourists.

>>27413736
Bro I don't watch vshojo and I hate veibae but I'm just curious about the company and how they function. And from what I'm reading their pros outweigh the cons. On paper it looks like they are offering better deals than the rest of the industry.
But I doubt that their JP branch will operate similarly they may have to negotiate for the game permission

>>27414860
Not that strange, this thread stomps on nijis most of the time and the memes reflect that.

>>27414694
Why do you act like the avatar is separate from the person?
A legal case has already proven that the avatar is the same as the person in japan.
Whether or not "the human kson" own's the avatar "Kson Souchou" doesn't have anything to do with the copyright of streaming a video game.
It's like using your real name.
If you work for a company, and the company is responsible for processing your taxes and giving benefits, there are legal protections given to the employee's, and one of those protections is that employee's cannot be sued for copyright infringement (but they can hella get fired and sued for it by the company if they have proof the employee was not following their employee agreement / contract).

>>27414846
Well, the man recognized he had become an albatross around Azki's neck and opted to leave to allow her to soar.
It takes REAL stones to both admit it and act on it, so my greatest respect to the man, despite the mistakes he may have made.

>>27414765
>good discussion
>interesting discussion

>>27414958
Cyberlive offered the "best" deal in the industry. It's why they are dead now.

I think Rushia's more suited to vspo than vshojo.

what do you think EN bro

>>27415040
The only thing rushia is good at shooting is herself in the foot

>>27414975
>If you work for a company, and the company is responsible for processing your taxes and giving benefits, there are legal protections given to the employee's, and one of those protections is that employee's cannot be sued for copyright infringement
nta but are they opening an office in jp?

>>27413938
And why do you seek their Holofag's attention 24/7? Do you want them to fuck you in the ass.

>>27415071
She gives some incredible blowjobs too. A bit expensive, but worth it

>>27414976
Omegay could learn a thing or two. Then again Kaichou might not have left us if he had that kind of awareness.

>>27414925
That is today. Even Aqua Sololive hitting 100k in March (April?) 2021 for as something out of this word, that sort of numbers seemed lost forever with the 2020 algo change.

>>27414975
>Whether or not "the human kson" own's the avatar "Kson Souchou" doesn't have anything to do with the copyright of streaming a video game.
Im not talking about the avatar im talking about the kson name/brand since she is opening a pop up store im assuming that she trademarked that name/brand? because it would be stupid of her not to copyright her name and opening a store that revolves around it.

https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1543264976311402496
>1M views
what the fuck
this dumb shark should really start making shorts on youtube

>>27414976
Yea, I really believe him when he said he'll always be the first Pioneer, and while he's sad about the way things ended, he doesn't seem to be bitter about it. I do think that he wasn't as bad for her career as much as people believe, since even when she's been a member of Holo proper, and it's not the middle of concert season for her, she wasn't streaming a whole lot, which is my main gripe with how I thought he managed her. Conversely, I think he did a really good job of hooking AZKi up with talented people to compose her music, and took care of a lot of the behinds the scene stuff so she could do cool things, like the DSTM streams and such, while her current manager seems to be much less involved since she's getting people like Shinove and T-chan to help her.

>>27414958
All these "best deals" are pointless if they only get already popular streamers and the merch quality is shit

>>27415040
>>not bad , vspo have strong box

>watching Kronii playing Holocure on VOD
IF THE ENEMIES COME AT FROM A DIAGONAL HIT THEM DIAGONALLY

>AAAHHHHH

Indobros we beat another EN member!

>>27415274
>shorts
Enjoy your 25 buck per million views

>>27415274
Twitter plays are a level of worthless below even b2 numbers. However that is a lot of likes.

>>27415252

>>27414208
>>27414335
>Hololive takes 80%
>Hololive takes 50%

Which is it?

>>27414958
>pros outweigh the cons

PROS
>You get a corpo logo. Obviously no salary, but you don't need to care about permissions because they'll do that to you. Also merch and other stuff is done by them, all you have to do is work.
>You get a new free model.

CONS
>You're on a work schedule
>You have to share part of your profits
>You're now related to a curated list of the most powerful western anime whores who do the opposite of what you excel at behind the anime avatar.

All in all I think Miguel de gato lost this one.

>>27415416
kek

I am so happy we left June behind us, numberbros and that whore Salome making the daily race boring.

Now we can finally go back to exciting daily races again.

Tomorrow's gold contender?

>>27415375
Suffer Anon, suffer like those of us who watched her live!

>>27415491
>You're on a work schedule
Unironically a good thing for Mike, she streamed like once a month otherwise. That said given people like Hime I doubt Vshojo even has a work schedule.

>>27415489
nobody knows the exact profit split when it comes to merch because nobody has said anything about it adn it's probably covered under NDA

>>27415536
>AZKi beat the Niji event
toplel

>>27415491
>You're on a work schedule
>Hajime exist
Kek

>>27415536
it's true, this month really has much better races than back when salome was pulling 100k streams from her ass every day

>>27415536
AZKi vs. Mahjong vs. Rena 3D was one of the most exciting in weeks

>>27415536
go away

>>27415416
>>Mika bullying Risu

Kek

>>27414266
Where the fuck are ELITE SOLDIERS?

>>27415489
Hololive takes 50% of SC, Membership and adrev post-youtube cut. This is known, and Moona has gone on record for staring as much and so has Mori.
We don't know exact cuts for merch, only that if talents fund and design the merch, they get the lion's share of the profit.

>>27415491
>You're on a work schedule
bruh

>>27415489
hololive takes 50% of the sc cut Reine and Gura has commented on this

>>27415600
I'm willing to bet she streamed once and only once because she was already in the talks with kson. She felt the obligation of using the model at least once because she wasn't the one who paid for it.

Being on a work schedule can be a good thing. I agree, but it depends on the level of menhera. We all know catmikel is on the upper echelon.

>>27415651
>hajime
>exist
there's no reason for since syd is more successful as herself.

Mori membership stream news
She's setting up a Rust server for Hololive. Its doomed

>>27415581
A random Hololive stream.

>>27415609
>>27415661
>>27415665
>>27415666
I agree, anons.

Exciting = Hololive wins

With that whore Salome we actually didn't know who's going to win the month.

Disguting. Boring rallies.

Now we finally have COMPETITION.

I wonder who's going to win the month, anons.

Let's be serious it's going to be 31 - 0 for Hololive but it will be EXCITING again!

I wonder if Nina will be dumb enough to raid Pomu's in the middle of MGS4 climax

>>27415782

>>27415805
go see a therapist

>>27412828
>>27412740
wait, you're telling me that she did all this to end up in the same position she was in a year ago
with the same antis, doing the same content and even having a very similar contract

>>27415805
meds

>>27415805

>>27415805
>Exciting = Hololive wins
Come on, Miko 3D slipping to Salome was exciting too!

>>27415759
source?

>>27415683
Elite Strikeforce were submitted but didn't gain enough votes to make it in. Sorry anon

>>27415536
have you actually looked at the numbers you are posting or does hololive winning ruin your day that much that you can't even see how close the numbers are compared to when Salome "100k for part 8 of RE7" was at the helm?

>>27415867
>with the same antis
actually more if she interacts with connor

>>27415781
>upper
She is MENHERA PRIME for a reason

>>27415867
Yes but now she has FREEDOM™

>>27415683
some of you voters have truly shit taste

>>27415665
I preferred Subaru vs Graduation announcement. They were both racing for gold at the exact same time and at one point there was only 400ccv difference between them.

I still think that people are making a big deal of this just because they hired two exholo members which leads to a lot of obvious shitpost material.
Vshojo's brand is almost non existant, it only works if you already were a top tier indie, they don't even share the same target audience, you'll still be capped to a relatively low ceiling (compared with Nijisanji and Hololive), nobody that wants to focus on releasing music would join Vshojo and except for having to deal with a lot of permissions, everything Vshojo can provide them, Hololive and Nijisanji can do the same x10

>>27415805
31 - 0 how often has that happened?

>>27415805
Winning is not important, Anon. What IS important is the complete destruction of competition.

>>27415952
>$11 losing

>>27415781
>We all know catmikel is on the upper echelon.
yeah thats one of the reasons that made me question why they hired miguel de gato and seeing as how the chinks already know its only a matter of time til they push her buttons and she goes supernova again

>>27415782
>Rust
Fuck this dumb bitch, get that toxic drama-generating garbage out of here.
Numbers at the cost of unity is a terrible trade for Hololive, unless everyone goes in with the understanding it's gonna be MAD MAX from the getgo.

>>27415805
Numberrot. The chuba industry is inclining be happy, or at least take your meds.

>>27415980
literally zero times, but don't bother arguing with this guy because she doesn't even care about or even know what makes a horse race exciting, all she cares about is "Nijisanji winning"

>>27415782
Thats strange cause Ina's membership stream said the opposite

>>27415805
It won't be 31-0, even Brazil scored one when they got demolished in the 7-1

>>27415974
Uninformed tourists are spreading the false info that THEY LEFT hololive with the full intent of joining vshojo when it makes no sense timewise.