/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

the one with the most racist fan, yours truly reporting in

IndieCHADS will win

Vshojo could, if they smart about it. Which is unlikely imo.

>>27329627
Small corpos.
I'm absolutely sick of these three, fuck them all.

Not ninisani.

>>27329734
they just need to lay low, the other 2 are imploding anyways

>>27329707
I KNEEL

>>27329627
Nijisanji lost after having an early stranglehold and it's now at a point nobody can overtake Cover

>Wei
But Cover is incompetent

>>27329734
With what resources?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-z0DhUVtsA&list=PLiLjrJxEE-t_4VrMgFHNq1DJqD3469J3I&index=7

>>27329627
Cover by a mile. The Reddit dragon was a huge liability for their brand, this only proves it even more.

>>27329707
Shall I warm up the ovens?

>>27329627
>who comes out on top after all this?
the fans that arent braindead tribals and can just enjoy good free content

>>27329627
Replace Nijisanji with Vspo.

>>27329627
>California Company
>Yab Stocks
>Japanese Apple
I know which horse I'd bet on.

>>27329627
>Nijisanji is fucking SHU
Wtf is this shit anon, Nijisanji is suppose to be in WEI. Get your lore right.

>>27329627

>>27330013
This?
I mean what else they gonna use this fund for?

>>27329715
Kson joining vshojo is the death knell for indies

>>27329627
Swap Nijisanji for Wei and Hololive for Shu.
Nijisanji will start collapsing once the old guard leaves, new talents take over and build something new in its place and dominate the market before being overrun by K-pop artists with anime avatars.

>>27330291
gunrun's streamer backpack thing

>>27329627
The war never ends, but this is defnitely a big dub for vshojo today

There's no competition, Vshoujo is exclusively on twitch

>the Jin haven't even appeared yet

Im starting to hate the industry of vtubing

>vshojo is going suddenly start competing with the daily 40-50k CCV HoloJP and NijiJP streams
They will still be below HoloEN because Gura and Niji En boys already matched Vshojo before Vei and Nyan semi retired.

For now nothing has changed. Vshojo's model is incompatible with Japanese conservative society.

The big takeaway is that dissatisfied talents now have a company that will take them.
This has greatly increased the bargaining position of vtubers over management.
If Cover and Nijisanji don't treat their talents good Vshojo will syphon them.

>>27330350
>but I want to be wei!!

>>27329929
Vshojo is literally the number one agency in the West. Cover/HoloEN hasn't been relevant in months. Hell, my normie friends know more NijiEN events than HoloEN. HoloEN got lazy and lost their foothold

>>27330494
If Vshojo keeps getting $11 million from investors you might be right. Hopefully they didn’t pay Kson and mikeneko too much or that will be the standard

>>27330494
I'm thinking vshojoJP will be much more Niji/Holo-like overall and generally mindful/respectful of keeping on the audience's good side (as opposed to openly shitting on the viewers like vei). If anything and it grows enough people might be like "vshojoJP is alright, vshojoEN is a fucking abomination" going to show it's more of a culture thing ultimately and EN chuubas work better when hammered into that shape by a JP company.

>>27330502
Nijisanji: been there first and amounted to nothing after the initial land grab, currently burning to the ground
Hololive: heroes of the people, relatively strong jungle nigger faction

>>27330494
>This has greatly increased the bargaining position of vtubers over management.
>If Cover and Nijisanji don't treat their talents good Vshojo will syphon them.
Bosman for vtubing has arrived.

>>27330198
Only company offering good content (free or paid) is Hololive.

>>27330789
>been there first and amounted to nothing after the initial land grab, currently burning to the ground
this applies to HoloEN too
>heroes of the people, relatively strong jungle nigger faction
this applies to Vshojo too

>>27330252
>Nijisanji is fucking SHU
Woah, you mean all at once?

>>27330679
Vshojo has a 30k cap of viewers, this got proven again today and on vei’s redebut. If Gura DIDNT exist you might make an argument but as of right now Gura can match that by herself with a buff stream.

>>27329808
Only in your head schizo.

>>27330901
>this applies to HoloEN too
Not to Hololive as a whole though.
>this applies to Vshojo too
Do they even have indogs?

>>27330679
HoloEN lost their foothold because MYTH got to work. Ironic, isn't it.

>>27330894
*Hololive JP

>>27330091
Hi Zhang.

>>27330679
>my normie friends know more NijiEN events than HoloEN
Then they're not normalfags. Hololive has by far the most mainstream reach, and it took that position when vtubing exploded. Nijisanji's position as the defacto vtuber corpo is long past

>>27329627
Will NijiEN be allowed to collab with Kson?
Will HoloEN be allowed to collab with Kson?

Who in Hololive knew about this beforehand?
Did Cover know?

vtubing will not be good again until they all fall and die. Vtubing needs to grow out of its corpo phase

In an actual war, Nijisanji would easily win.
With their 160+ livers, they have 3x the army size compared to Holo and Vshojo.

>>27330679
Drop your Chinese friends and get out of the Niji bubble.

>>27331018
Not indogs but they have asians now so still applies. Yellow fever fags please do not reply.

>>27329627
This pic doesn't make any sense because it implies that a fourth party will come later and devour all the three companies

>>27331259
see >>27330053

Who knows? But in the near future, I am sure they will just become a Kizuna Ai, irrelevant. Bigger corpos will come in and destroy the competition.

Vshojo won a long time ago
>Hololive a boring, stagnated, overly-reteicted mess that only has normalfag fans
>Nijisanji freely collabs with popular streamers but suffers from shitty managament and political yabs
If anything, the most profitable and well-loved holomem joining Vshojo should be proof enough of how the vtuber industry is moving on ahead of the big players

>>27331117
only a holobrony from the holobubble would say this

>>27331259
A Disney sponsored Vtuber corpo would buttfuck the EN market so fast it's not even funny
Instantly grab the entire Marvel market

>>27329627
vshojo, both holo and niji is in decline.

>>27330794
>>27330494
I mean l, if Myth were smart and united they could dicate their contacts to cover. "no, give us 90% of earnings or we fuck off to Vshojo".

Too bad they are not actually friends and there is no unity.

I would not be surprised if Cover actually discourages Holomems from getting too close to each other. Solidarity among Holomems is actually detrimental to Management.

>>27331597
>Too bad they are not actually friends and there is no unity.
You don't have to be friends to form a vtuber union or do some form of collective bargaining. Although I wonder if they would instantly fire anyone who looked like they were trying to unionize.

>>27331028
Zhang's should be seething right now. They did Cover a favour instead of hurting them like they intended.

>>27330958
>>27330679
None of that really matters cause they're aiming at the Japanese market. Kson has a very sizable and loyal audience, but I wonder if the new girl will manage to make a dent in such an overcrowded market.

>>27329627
Nobody is gonna win. They'll only divide market:
Niji gets JP and CN
VShojo gets NA and EU
Holo gets SEA

>>27330053
Time to become a Macho Kanpainikki...

>>27331890
sounds like a win for every non-holo tbqh

>>27329627
They have different audiences at this point. Vshojo clout chases among e-celebs and devolved into Twitch thots with anime avatars, Nijisanji has fujos and JOP normalfags, and Hololive has leaned toward idol and waifu culture.

>>27331810
Zhangs didn't care about hurting Cover. They wanted Coco in particular gone and only switched to Hololive as a whole when management picked her side.

>>27331597
Coolective bargaining is evil. You will take your 30%, and you will be happy.

>>27329627
war? nobody even comes close to touching cover, what are you even talking about
have you SEEN holofes?

>>27329627
vshoji 100 percent. In three years most of the big hololivers will have moved over. They simply give the streamer for freedom than nazicover.

>>27329627
Wu was basically carrying the whole war effort against Wei through the whole period so you might want to reverse the roles on that image

>>27332444
>have you SEEN holofes?
Yes, about twice smaller than NijiFes2021

>>27329929
This obviously. Nijisanji are imploding and vshojo remain irrelevant as always.

>>27329627
Pray that Isegye Idol doesn't launch foreign branches

>>27332692
>nijifes
kek
cope, seethe, dilate even

>>27332874
Nah, only rabid gooks like watching those vrchattubers

>>27330679
>Vshojo event with big news = 20k people watching
>Ina just having a talk stream about her travels = also 20k
Sure buddy

>>27332692
>twice smaller

>>27330381
Mori is Sima Yi and will usurp control of the company

>>27332920
>cope, seethe, dilate even
Projecting your current feelings right now? Get used to it - Hololive are midgets compared to Nijisanji

Phase Connect

>>27333043
Nijifag-chama... This is getting sad...

>Hololive is totally not popular, dude trust me. Vshojo though!
Love these obvious shitposts, always a laugh!

>>27332963
>Vshojo event with big news = 20k people watching
On twitch with inflated numbers.
>Ina just having a talk stream about her travels = also 20k
On youtube, with filters and culls.

>>27333339
>On youtube, with filters and culls.
With bots

vshojo won

>>27329627
all of them because they are raking in fucking millions of dollars

>>27333425
There are way more bots on twitch, since they don't give a fuck about fighting that.

>>27333487
i can guarantee you that they are all coasting on their investors and failing to turn a profit

>>27330958
Their is no cap, that was a one time thing. They get anywhere from 6-10k for the top girls, which isnt bad but definitely lower then most hololive girls and way lower then popular twitch streamers

>>27333474
https://streamable.com/8tmjld

>>27333425
>source: it was revealed to me in a dream

I don't even care about Kson but why the fuck are people being happy about this? She's joining Vshojo, V-fucking-jo. This sets a precedent where all vtubers will finally find it acceptable to act like complete twitch whores. Why can't people see what this means for the future of this sphere content?

>whores are killing yet another media
This is fucking tiring.

>>27331054
>Did Cover know?
Based on the statements recently released by Michael and Cover that serve no other purpose otherwise, I would say so.

>>27330894
>Hololive
>Offering content
With THOSE streaming hours?

>>27333830
EN vtubers are just whores.

>>27331376
>the most profitable
Anon...

>>27331054
The last collab with kson before she joined Vshojo was the KING cover only a couple of days ago. She must have known considering she had to pick a date to get the cover out and do it before and not after the announcement.

>>27334015
Well, good food tends to be rare

>>27329627
UNITY
https://youtu.be/7v1THLW7JuQ

>>27331387
>holobrony
explain this term

>>27333830
Fans are so fucking stubborn when it comes to moving to someone better, streamers can just slow boil them into accepting anything. If they had the good sense to perform a mass exodus over the degradation of content quality, streamers would actually pay attention to what they want.

>>27334015
>I love mass produced garbage like the fatass in the picture I posted
Sounds about right.

>>27333830
Vtubers were never anything but anime egirls.

>>27334823
Hololive is 100% mass-produced garbage, there is nothing unique or interesting coming from the group and its been that way since 2019

>>27334823
>our whores being lazy is a sign of quality
This is the weirdest cope yet.

>>27334823
>>27334342
So you hate Fauna? How dare that whore stream more than thrice a week.

>>27334908

>>27333736
This was during her 'problematic' era. She's learned how to be an accepting humxn-being now. Demonstrated by her various collabs with Melody, among other things.

Nijisanjichads I've came to bargain, as the OG we must unite against the western whores, we both share the same despise for them it's the only way

>>27331983
And a loss for /vt/ as it is further overrun by SEAniggers.

>>27333736
If she said this or the trans rights thing and she wasn't in hololive she would have been crucified.

>>27334982
>>27335034
>watches Pomu
Fauna and Rosemi should move to vshojo

>>27335042
Silence, chud. Bigotry will never be excused by time having passed. Kson has to tweet TRANS RIGHTS or should get ratio'd + cancelled.

>>27335126
>implying niji isn't western whores too

>>27333830
Because I don't care about that inane shit.

>>27335391
I'll concede an alliance with NijiEN if I can get the help of Niji shitposters as a whole to attack vshoujo, no place for honor when betrayed

>>27329627
>Hololive - A nation with strict rules with promises of glory for those that stick to a certain code and want to find companionship in adventures, but obey or else....
>Nijisanji - The most populated land and thanks to that only the strongest survive, but even with that their residents know how to stay happy and take everything as a blessing
>Vshojo - The slum of the world, crimes and prostitution are rampant in the streets but they end up being the main form of market from that land, the most famous crime lords invest that money in fancy dresses and a life of luxury

>>27335391
heckin based making fun of cringey incels

>>27331099
On paper sure.
But in reality they would not march together undo a single banner, they will divide amongst themselves and be easily crushed under the more disciplined forces that can concentrate their hako power

>>27333830
I unironically prefer sluts

>>27335648
i love this analogy. hololive is voldemort and vshojo are harry potter. just need dumbledore (nijisanji) to step in and get rid of them once and for all!

>>27329627
Cover. It's not even a war. Goomba by herself could defeat either of the other two companies

Don't the Myth initial contracts run out soon? If I'm Gura I'm definitely asking Cover for the KSON deal to resign. If Gura left hololive and restarted her past life at vshojo holoEN would be fucked

>>27336253
Gura likes the idol thing though, she'll want 3D lives.

>>27336253
Gura’s too much of a retard to ask for more on the table. She’ll probably just sign the new contract asap in fear of management getting angry

>>27329627
Kizuna's AI

>>27336253
Gura has no reason to join vshojo, she would only leave if all the myth girls leaved

>>27330291
Need a black hair bitch here

>>27329627
>yfw vshojo has an alliance with both Nijisanji and Hololive

Cover will win but only if they get rid of Mori before she's poisoned the well too much

>>27330291
Please tell me they weren't Chinese investors.

>>27336253
For sure. I think we're going to see at least half of them asking for a spot in Vshojo.

>>27329627
>Hololive is Wei

well according to history, Hololive apparently.

>>27329707
Glad to have you aboard.

>>27330291
>that pic
Big yikes at the lack of POC+ representation here...

>>27337155
Is that the kind of thing you think the streams talk about?

>>27331832
define 'sizable', she's roboco level these days, and there are more than a few loyal members who are done with this (I am one of them). They certainly aren't going to be competing with Hololive when they start, debut aside. Their competition is optimistically 774, vshojo has no name brand in Japan, and apparently they want an NDA breaker to be part of their brand image, in Japan, so I don't think they are gonna do well.

>>27329734
>vshojo
>making good decisions
not happening sorry

>>27330291
>to grow the vtuber community
I'll assume this means their own community, this is so vague

>>27330679
Anon, we've already seen the pictures of the holobooth at AX, and crunchyroll expo is pretty much making Hololive a main pillar, try a different shitpost.

>>27329627
1. Hololive
2. Phase Connect
3. Nijisanji

The rest don't matter.

>>27337398

>>27337659
wow that's a crazy stream you linked

>>27337659
Free the niggy

>>27329627

>>27337659
>it's a mad vatnik
russia lost, deal with it

>>27335391
>spanish

>>27329808
>thinking anyone gives a shit about rrats outside of /vt/
dumbass.

>>27337799
very cute moloch

>>27337969
Russia lost, and so did the trannies. Vshojo coomers seething

>>27329627
Niji were the first Goliath, not the first around among all V-soldier, But their pure growth made them dominate the market for V-soldiers, but their size made them slow and permitted their future rival to exploit it to create a handful of elites.
Holo-war might not have had the largest army, or highest income counting all their military contracts but had two of the highest earning super soldiers in the world
niji and holo grew lazy, fat and stagnant, as they divided the world between them rather than fight for total domination
Both of the top earners from holo-war seen at to dangerous to keep around, the first, Big Meme, were forced to quit on her own volition, the second, Screaming banshee were not as lucky as their entire empire fell apart in a single weekend.

I know nothing about V-soi boys so that is as much as I can make right now

>>27330291
buying themselves a superteam? Who else they should get?

>>27329627
>WAR
why not just enjoy them all
do you really need to repeat the same mistake all other fandoms do?

>>27338647
yeah it's definitely vshojo that's seething today

>>27339105
You must be new to humans

>>27339105
because holobronies are tourists that don't like vtubers? They only benefit from popular ones to push their offtopic shit

>>27339132
>he says as vshojofags go schizo over numbers

>>27329715
What that other anon said, I guarantee Pikamee is going to leave voms as well, she's been prepping it with barely ever using her voms model anymore and the artist has zero IP rights over her account

Indie's are most likely dying off

>>27339363
huh?

>>27329627
Are vshojofags going to pretend they always secretly watched kson and know everything about her content?

>>27335648
No one gives a fuck about the world building general. Stay in your containment thread

I'm kind of bummed out that Vshitshow is working at all, just another hobby now overrun with normals changing it to be the thing they want.

>>27329627
Who ever gets gangbanged by the other two loses.

>>27339745
No why would we? Will just check her out now

>>27335552
Naw, go fuck yourself. VShojo fans are chill.

>>27329627
>Vshojo and Niji unite and drive Cover to the brink of collapse
>Vshojo goes full retard and cancels Niji's two most powerful streamers, causing them graduate
>Niji launches an all in counter attack on Vshojo, destroying many talents on both sides, but fails to achieve victory and the CEO resigns
>Niji fucks off and collabs with SEAs for a while as Cover annihilates what's left of Vshojo
>Yagoo suddenly retires. His son and Niji engage in a long war of attrition resulting in total defeat strategic defeat of Niji
>In desperate last ditch effort, Niji convinces the top Cover talent to attempt a coup to become CEO. Coup fails and the traitor, along with all surviving Nijis are graduated with no farewell streams.

>>27329707
FPBP

>>27336527
No reason to try to get more. Just the most subbed vtuber and the face of the EN sphere, just resign and don't ask for anything.

>>27339132
Let's just ignore all the vshojo-trannies getting dunked on all over the place for their copium takes.

>>27340668
You didn't even say anything you just said "nuh-uh"

>>27336253
Cover's initial contracts are 1 year IIRC.

>>27336253
gura is not going to leave until someone else leaves and holoen starts to die
shell renew the contract
altho what happens a year from now is impossible tell

>>27339223
yeah, but using the argument "it has always been like that" and actively turning what you like into shit is something else

>>27341400
Honestly I just don't have time
I've only ever seen the holo community hate the actual girls of other companies, niji and vshojo don't really have beef at all

>>27337969
How is Lisychanks?

>>27340757

>>27341557
You see people here hating on the holo girls all the time, calling them boring and lazy

>>27341557
Did you miss all the council hate threads when they first started?

>>27343152
Those were Myth fans and still are mostly Hololive fans attacking their own

>>27336253
Gura wouldn't leave 100% if the other myth members are there. Or at least as long as Amelia is still there, Calli is tied to her music contract, Kiara loves kfp too much, and I don't see Ina with any drives to join any other companies that can offer her better than what she already has, and Ame is pretty much all bets in on Hololive seeing the stupid amounts of work she's done in trying to make her genmates successful

>>27344901
Most of them were nijifags trying to doompost HoloEN

>>27337969
Then stop seeking asylum in my country and go back to your shithole, untermensch!

>>27330291
I don't see posts about that girl between Nyaners and Melody anymore. Did she graduate?

>>27350617
rip

>>27352377
>No feet

>>27335869

>>27329627
vshojo took VC investment money, they are no longer in control of the company

if those investors demand that they prostitute themselves in the name of profit, they must. dignity be damned.

So I would vote for the ruthless capitalist. They give what the consumer demands, and we demand to coom.

>>27329707
First post Based Post

>>27353465
>coom
Isnt vshojo supposed to be for the entertainment and shit? I cant imagine anyone unironically cooming to that mental illness nest

>>27329627
The chosen people will come out on top as always.

>>27353650
>Isnt vshojo supposed to be for the entertainment

>>27330291
Recruit big names to reinforce their power

>>27333830
Kill yourself cuck lmaaoo

>>27332073
Yes they did. Their bots still flooding fbk aqua chat if no restriction on

>>27353650
>he took the "i watch for entertainment" meme seriously
TOPKEK

>>27333830
Who said their JP branch won't be different? Believe in Kaichou

>>27353727
based

>>27336253
Too greedy, twitchfag

>>27335391
It's ironic how everyone agreeing with her on that is actually parasocialness itself

>>27340506
>Vshojo goes full retard
I can see this happening. Vshojo women aren't the sharpest tool in the shed

>>27340506
Man, you beat me to it. In this scenario who's Lu Bu? I say Kizuna Ai.

>>27353650
Vshojofags watch them, not because they see the girls as their girlfriends, but because they see them as prostitutes they think they have a chance of fucking if they just donate enough

>>27329627
Not the Nijikeks

>>27334823
Like anon said long time ago, quality of nothing is God damn nothing, holobro

>>27354939
I can't wait for Kson and Rushia to talk about getting cummed on and doing drugs!

>>27337155
Half of them are POC+ though

>>27329627
Pic of China. Only one of them owns China. Pretty obviously Nijisanji will win. They've put Vox into China and Vox will soon be joining the Chinese branch's big 3 as big 4 and have millions of subs.

>>27355111
>In this scenario who's Lu Bu? I say Kizuna Ai.
Makes sense to me.

>>27345656
no no no, its falseflag, we nijifag don't care about your whore, we care more about our own whore, We almost never post in threads that don't have liver/nijisanji in the op or in name

>>27329627
I'm not convinced vShojo JP will be that successful. Kson was mid after leaving Hololive and Rushia just has her weird parasocial shit with her paypigs which doesnt appeal to the average viewer. vShojo EN has a few strong talents but they dont stream as much since they started getting railed every night.
Hololive seems to be in stagnation on the JP side and on the EN side there are StarsEN coming which is seen as pretty unpopular. I'd say they are declining overall.
I think Nijisanji will win with their accelerate formula. They have the men on the EN side and if they can create a couple more Salome for the girls they will be the force to beat.

>>27356286
>I think Nijisanji will win with their accelerate formula
>corpo that is most tied to and invested with the chinks
theyre future is fucked