/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Maybe the chinafriends were right.

>>27320066

>>27320137
>china
>friends
lel, I'd sooner ally with savages

Looks like hololive really does live rent free in nijinigger heads

So, is kson joining gonna make vshojo numbers good all around or would it stay the same? I doubt JPfags enjoy the content surrounding vshojo, and kson is likely to do collabs with them every week.

so the nda non compete rrat was right along with the kson joining vshojojp with a managerial role
wonder if the miguel rrat will also be proven right

So is the angel really Michael Cat or are people just shitposting?

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>66,433: Subaru (Hololive)
>64,120: Marine (Hololive)
>62,797: Mayuzumi (Nijisanji)
>58,571: Salome (Nijisanji)
>43,202: Salome (Nijisanji)
>39,492: Pekora (Hololive)
>31,571: Ars (Nijisanji)
>28,799: Subaru (Hololive)
>21,988: Ina (Hololive)
>20,406: Shion (Hololive)
>19,326: Korone (Hololive)
>15,695: Uki (Nijisanji)
>15,034: Nerumero (Indie)
>13,910: Fubuki (Hololive)
>13,892: Asumi (VSPO)
>13,598: Kobo (Hololive)
>11,738: Koyori (Hololive)
>11,655: Vox (Nijisanji)
>11,528: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>11,332: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>11,194: Luca (Nijisanji)
>10,739: Chihiro (Nijisanji)
>10,737: Kanae (Nijisanji)

>>27320332
Kson has a 5k ish average on twitch, if I'm not mistaken. The twitchanon will be able to tell you more, but yeah if that's the case it'd bring their numbers up quite abit

>>27320332
Who knows? I still want to see tatsunokos' reaction to this.

serious talk here not gonna respond to shitposter,
how do you guys think about Vshojo Jp, can they be relevant?
if they want to be twitch dominator, they also need compete with that korean idol

>>27320374
sounds kinda like miguel but i doubt its her
but it would also explain why she released that statement days ago

>>27320293
>Vox
>Pride
You could at least have been more subtle when making fake screenshots

Curious to see how their twitter numbers and engagement will go

>>27320137
Even your enemies can speak wisdom at times.

>kson just jumped ship to vshojojp
so what are the odds that mayuzumi kai is joining too? his graduation was for "creative differences" and was out of nowhere pretty much.
>>27320374
if it was her she'd keep her model. she might join in the future but who knows

>>27320374
Did you listen to her voice?

>>27320362
I mean it was reasonable to think that kson had non competes so I wouldn't say it was a rrat.

>>27320499
I very much doubt that

>>27320515
According to some anon here non-compete is illegal in Japan.

>>27320467
voxsister does act like that

>>27320439
Where are they going to stream?

>>27320499
Maybe is a way to deflect some schizos

>cocofags lost their oshi TWICE in July
Holy kek
So the rrats about haachama forcing herself to collab with mouse because of this was true?

>>27320439
> can they be relevant?
Yes. Here is the table for the tpo 50 true average excluding Hololive.
kson is there in the Top 10.

Now relevant is something different from dominant. That I doubt very much, it seems they're positioning themselves as
> we're not Hololive
> we're better than Nijisanji at not being Hololive

Now let's see this fabled "Creative Freedom" that they keep talking about after the NDA is over

>>27320509
I can't tell Japanese apart they all sound the same to me.

lel

So the NDA rrat was right. Literally 1 year passed and she immediately joins another corpo lmao.

>>27320439
>how do you guys think about Vshojo Jp, can they be relevant?
Depends if they can secure some good free agent corpo chuubas but having kson might have given them a foot in the door in jp market

>>27320509
No. I wasn't watching. Got a clip of it?

rip catalogue

jwu, I guess Kson finally joined Vshojo huh, I don't really expect much to change about her content though, except that she might collab with the mouse, the rest of vshojo don't stream.

Somehow, this makes me lose respect for Kson honestly

>>27320633
>forcing herself
Anon, there is no bigger unityfag than Haachama. She even organized a mixer for literaly 2 digit chuubas in 2020 which was pure kino

>NDA
It's called non-compete agreement you retards

>>27320515
>non competes
It's year since her graduation. Most non competes expires in that time.

>>27320652
Vshojo meme review anons

>>27320680
that's not what an NDA is, the term you're looking for is Non-compete

>>27320332
kson gets shit numbers. she's nijifemale tier.

>>27320733
It’s cause she told everyone she would never join a corpo again.

>>27320615
vshojojp looks like its gonna be a youtube focused one
>>27320467
forgive noor she is basically running out of baits at this point

VShojoJP os going to fail so spectacularly

>>27320680
>NDA
That would be the "non compete" rrat

So after the Bora-Tsuna shitposting...
Let's see what /holonumbers/ has to say about Coco-Kson

The truth is she left Cover, a disgusting black company, to join VSHOJO that allows much more freedom to their talent and treats them better.

Isn't that right, holosisters?

>>27320811
Somehow this will give ammo to her antis/chinks

Wait, are we apologizing to china or cover? Cover kept her and didn't bend the knee, they only kicked her a few months later. So, I'm siding with Cover on this. I don't even know how they could accurately graduate people who are gonna be a liability to their company.

>>27320733
It basically shows that she has no integrity whatsoever since she said she wasn't joining any more corpos, so it's understandable that you do

>>27320733
Same, it's terrible. I don't care about Vshojo, but she lied.

>>27320849
why are nijiniggers like this?

kson/coco is a hypocrite and i hope she fails and drags the rest of vshojo down with her.

>>27320882
What do you mean somehow? She lied.

>>27320847
depends
i feel like they might put up a good fight against niji since their "chuubas with freedom" thing is in direct competition with them

>>27320882
Her chat is going to get real ugly

>>27320847
It literally cannot, since it has KSon.

Why is/vt getting raided by bugmen wtf happened ?

>destroys hololive's chink market
>leaves
>promises to never join another corpo
>joins a twitch bordello

>>27320383
>JULY 2022 GOLD
1) Miko (Hololive) - 43,044 - Holocure
2) Subaru (Hololive) - 66,433 - Birthday Festival

>PER COMPANY
2x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
1x: Miko, Subaru

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
120x: Hololive
53x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>>27320749
Haachama would go beyond the grave for coco, so yes I think she forced herself to do this

bye-bye chinese sponsors to vshojo i guess

>>27320935
answer the question faggot

was you the one that was making anti-nijisanji posts about Tsuna/Bora joining VSPO after leaving NIJISANJI?

pathetic fag

>>27320811
She will just say "acksually Vshojo is not a company"

>>27320714
https://clips.twitch.tv/TrappedCrispyPepperMau5-T6_z2rl2HlIWldyV

>>27320935
noor pls make a better falseflagg next time this one has no effort
>>27321005
noor is trying different kinds of bait

>>27321042
go make more anti hololive threads

kson lore page
https://www.vshojo.com/talent/kson
>The former leader of a Japanese gang. After saying goodbye to each of her comrades as they moved on with their life, she became a lone rider... until she met a strange girl without memories.

That explains a little why VShojo scrambled so hard to give the girls lore. They genuinely think that's necessary to enter the JP market

How strong VShoujobox?? Depending on the answer Kson might be the Coco 2.9 and secure golds for her new company

So what was the auditions for?

So is the angel actually Mikeneko?

>>27321093
>They genuinely think
Giving them too much credit, aren't you.

>>27321005
general catalogue shitposters
Like I know we like to meme as being "The most influential thread" but not everything that goes to the catalogue comes from us

>>27320935
They really want an all out war huh? Time to shit up nijiEn generals

>>27321042
nah this one is noor she's bent on destroying numbers rather than niji or holo

>>27320847
yeah, worse than VerseN, right?

>numbers thread
>not talking about numbers
did kson made the right move? will she get a better numbers by joining vshojo?

>>27321114
not that strong actually

>>27321161
what's the point, they aren't even there
Just make more catalogue threads shitting on nijisanji

>>27320999
She wasnt successful either, just enough

>>27321093
eugh, the lore gives some miguel gato vibes, i don't like what this implies bros.........

>>27321126
Probably not but the small snippet of her voice is going to make schizos think so for the next two weeks

>>27321114
I dont think they have a box on twitch

>>27321207
maybe, she'll definetely get a boost from it. how much of a boost and how much she can retain, who knows

>>27321162
Read the first OP by that anon
they're the same shitflinging catalog shitter

>>27321126
no

>>27321207
I genuinely doubt. Her average (see >>27320647) is already at 5k+ on Youtube and I think she'll BLEED tatsunoko

>>27321126
Very unlikely. Her live2d is top tier so why the fuck she need to abandon that for new model?? (Also SC cut)

Didn't Vshojo hold an audition for their 2nd gen? What happened to that?

>exactly 1 year since Coco graduated
So their non compete clause is 1 year?
Miguel will probably join next year

>>27320882
and you will be the first one spamming her about it, right? holobronies always so toxic

>>27321322
dontworryboutit

>>27321207
she might bleed tatsunoko but im not sure how much boost vshojo can give her

>>27321126
It would be funny it if was so just go with it.

>>27321114
I genuinely believe a non-negligible amount of gwe fanbase that was still clinging to the hope of her rejoining Hololive will ditch her and cancel out any Vshojo buff in the long term. In the short term, I expect her to average 7-10k for a few weeks until the next big news or debut.

>>27321326
Mike was outright fired, there was no "non compete" there.

>>27321114
They don’t have a box. The Kson gang she had got almost no benefit from collabing with her, her JP fans were mostly former Coco fans first and Holo fans second.

>>27321314
>Her live2d is top tier
????

>>27321277
More importantly twitch is twitch. You don't exist and have no audience if you're not live, and the site has zero discoverability even if you are live. If Kson goes twitch exclusive it will probably shrink her audience.

>>27320906
They didn't even kick her, it was ultimately middle management fuckups that caused enough issues for Coco to determine sticking around and being strangled by red tape wasn't worth it.
Then she goes indie and finds out 'oh, well shit, this is a lot of fucking work and oops I got scammed on merch' without really proving her content was truly 'free' now that she had to bear the responsibility of her own actions entirely instead of having a company back her.
Like, I get it. Shit management (that she unfortunately did have a hand in turning hostile to her due to her constant walking over the poorly defined lines forcing them to define them more and more before they got sick of her doing it and DEMANDED she submit what she wanted to do due to her own absue of the leeway they gave her) is bad. It sucks for everyone involved and had she not said anything about not joining another corp, I don't think anyone would really care all that much about her joining vshojo.
As is, it just looks like she gave up trying to be an indie because it was too hard.

>>27321161
Weak, a watamate would've tracked them down and embarrassed them in front of their family.

So kson really ended up joining Vshojo. So she will be the one leading the vshojo for JP market.
Don't really have problem with Vshojo but I feel really betrayed rn.

>>27321326
Well, she was fired, not graduated

>>27321116
phishing scam

>>27321326
Agreeing to an NDA means that they got benefits
Rushia was fired, she didn't have to sign anything

>>27321322
It was a scam, just for show

>>27321326
mike was fired theres no non compete when youre fired

>>27321207
today race already over, time for gossiping

>>27321326
Michaelangelo won't have a non-compete since she was fired.

Well, I guess this mean no special "Coco" special appearance in HoloFes in the foreseeable future.

Place your bets assholes, who will be the first holoJP to collab with vshojo's kson?

>>27321391
>>27321437
>>27321463
>>27321467
>>27321487
>When you sign a non-compete agreement, the enforceability of the document does not depend on why you leave a company. If you voluntarily leave or if you are fired, you still cannot go and work for a competitor, as a general rule. The employer still has trade secrets that he does not want to let go to a competitor. When employees are fired, they may be angry and more likely to give up trade secrets. Because of this, most agreements are still in place even if you are fired.

>>27321116
If the rrats are true then expect 3-5 more jp talents to debut

>>27321063
Mmm....
It's not zero, it could be, but if it is they're 1000% getting blacklisted by cover management and no collabs will be approved. Ever.

Hopefully cover nukes coco's channel after this. No reason to keep it around.

>>27321391
>In most cases, the non-compete clause still holds even if you are fired or laid off.

>>27320849
LMAO, freedom to do what? Reaction streams on twitch?

>>27321419
how the fuck was being an indie too hard when she didn't do anything with it?

>>27321551
No one, maybe Matsuri though.

>>27321535
Hopefully no more vs collabs

>>27321551
Haachama, I hope

>the angel sounds exactly like Rushia
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1520438067?t=00h52m16s
>literally riding hololive's coattails 100%

THE FIRES OF THE CATALOG WILL CLEANSE THE WEAK

>>27321063
Yeah, I'm prepared to wager my balls on that being Miguel Gato. Jesus Christ.

Hahahaha so much for principle, I'll never join another corpo again huh?
She missed that sweet corpo environment and went right back in, I think this stand at proof that being a Vtuber Indie is not worth it.

if it's true Michel the cat join vshojo, how their fans will coping knowing she becomes a whore?

>>27321551
100% haato, and it's going to be a reddit review for the hololive reddit

>>27321466
Or they have a few people on the call list for their next round of JP hires. Going through applications is boring work they wouldn't do that just for a joke.

>>27321619
She was trying to make merch (got scammed)

So now that they dropped a debut announcement at AX which is a big convention, it would be interesting to see if /vt/ was right about suggesting corps to do such announcement at conventions to ultra buffing their debut

>"We're not hololive"
>"Also, we will be borrowing the hololive fame btw"
Bah, shameless

>>27321551
Without a shred of fucking doubt it's going to be haachama

>>27321694
Fandeads are masochists.

>>27321660
>hiring Michael after those shitshow
I don't know that Vshojo is this stupid

>>27321690
just look at any of the indies, it's hard to be relevant alone

>>27321063
I can't believe Salome joined Vshojo...

>>27321747
ok? so that one experience made her decide to stop being an indie? I thought she would be stronger than that

>>27321487
Mike would have to drop the lawsuit though. Unless VShojoJP dont mind their fanbase to being mostly Cover-antis like the NijiEN girls

>>27321758
Only a buff if you look good

>>27321694
I will give them their last rites

>>27321551
I would unironically bet both my balls it's going to be haachama

>>27321116
if they are handpicked by Kson, be prepared for a familiar name to be dropped

>>27321207
Who's going to watch her long term that doesn't already? She already collabs with them sometimes. She'll probably get an initial bump from tourists at least. Unlike in Hololive she doesn't stand out that much from the other vshojos.

>>27321758
no because its stupid. you can do it online with just the same amount of fanfare.

>>27321883
>notMel
>notChoco
>notChama
>notLeech

What sort of niche can VshojoJP fulfill in Japan?
This move is so unneccessary.

>>27321953
Being a whorehouse?

So, are we gonna gatekeep vshojo shills in the subreddit now?

>>27321570
>Basically, an employer can demand that an employee work only during the work hours, and cannot bind the activities of
the employee during off-work hours. However, as a sideline business, or dual employment, may cause harm to the employer’s business, the employer can demand that the employee refrain from other work without its permission, by a
clause of the labor contract or work rules, in order to prevent the employee from engaging in such harmful sideline work.
In a case where the employee engages in a competitive business, such employee’s activity usually can cause harm to the
employer’s business. Therefore, the employer can prohibit the employee, by the labor contract or work rules, from
engaging in competitive business. In the case of a substantial breach of such non-compete obligation, the employer can
seek an injunction or compensation for damages.
Huh reading up on nip labor laws maybe they never had any non compete since that would have also prevented them from vtubing if it was real

>>27320849
Not sure, but she sure as hell ain't gonna get 50k streams like she did in Hololive, so it's not going to look nearly as bad as it does for Niji KR losing Bora to VSPO.

>>27321953
it's gonna be holo but 18+

>>27321761
>TALENT FREEDOM
>here's our new 2 talents, literally just hololive lol
american marketing

>>27321990
Japan has a bunch of AVtubers who can do that better than them anon

>>27321594
The only way that happens is when the Japanese audience cares. What is the reaction in 5ch anyways?

>>27321953
Kson was too lazy to start her own company or JP friend group so now shell just do it with vshitshow money. It will be like where all the yabbed talents go to roost.

>>27321868
The full comic of this is so pathetic

>>27321551
if holo management doesn't know this, i think they will giving a mandate to not do a collab with Vshojo, knowing them doesn't like unnecessary fuss

>>27321990
>>27322030
There are R18 Vtubers already.

>>27322030
But only failed idols have to sell JAV.

>>27322034
>literally just hololive lol
>Its Salome all over again

>>27322013
Have you seen their reaction to the haachama collab with mouse? They couldn't fucking WAIT
Its over for that subreddit

>>27322125
Corpo backed whorehouse then

So is Vshojo gonna poach more Holo or ex Holo talents

This is the 1st major Hololive talent that jumped ship from one corpo to another corpo.
I wonder if this was what Nijifans felt like back in 2020.

>>27322034
They paid for the best vtubers in JP

>>27321660
It's not like Rushia's voice is extremely distinct

Kson is gonna suck at management and will call all those mid level execs she hated and tell them she finally understands how it feels.

>don't take your SC but take your merch money
How the fuck is this a better arrangement? Doesn't merch net way more money than SC?

>>27321551
Haachama

>>27321425
i feel like vshojo is just using her since they cant break in other markets themselves and their own streamersare on delcine.

>>27322222
Already exist.

>>27320935
>>27321161
don't samefag noor

>>27322224
Yes they already have hitomi christ on the line

>>27322224
Hitomi and Aloe also michael de gato

>>27322276
Ah, damn, I'm out of ideas already

>>27322249
>and will call all those mid level execs she hated and tell them she finally understands how it feels.
kek, that is my unironic belief too.

She already felt the heat of having to self manage merchandise, sponsorship deals and the likes and gave up

>>27322224
Who the fuck else we got? Rushia and Aloe are too mentally ill or depressed to even stream, what are they gonna do, build a fucking whole group of menheras and kson is gonna have to tard wrangle them?

>>27321551
A billion percent haachama
She didn't prolong her collab with mouse for nothing after all

>>27321535
Give it 3 years

>mindbreaks your corp into imitating Hololive
How does he do it, bros?

>>27322224
VshojoJP would be Hololive's House of Retirement.

I guess we will see AsaKson with IronMouse being hung in a forest again.

>>27321950
Doubt choco will go, but Mel is more likely, she not like is same tier with Aki and choco again

>>27322251
yes it does

>>27322017
>Huh reading up on nip labor laws maybe they never had any non compete since that would have also prevented them from vtubing if it was real
It depends on the clauses of their non compete. What's clear that the first months Kson was not allowed to stream on youtube, so she went to mildom. Mike is also barely streaming on youtube and resorting to deleting the streams or menhera-ing on twitcast
I guess they have a couple of months of non compete as indie and a year for joining another vtubing company

>>27322222
>Corpo backed whorehouse then
Did you miss the Yumenographia saga?

Haachama graduation announcement coming soon kek

>>27322312
>>27322282
Can't wait for marine to join too!
She would perfectly fit into the group

I don't really care about her joining vshojo, but I hope her content get better because in one year as an indie she I think she lsot a bit of her touch

>>27322374
Yagoo is the only vtuber CEO that refers to his talents/IPs as characters

Does Kson joined mean Vshojo will never be able to suck China's money from now on?

Now is a good chance to announce EN3 and take all the attention

>>27322388
I kson fags are gonna be in for a rude awakening when people realize she didn't succeed just because she's a good content creator, she succeeded because she a decent content creator in a big brand with a fanbase that had never seen western style entertainment.

>>27322476
Marine won't go until she molests Gura.

>>27321660
>ISREAL
HOLY SHIT!.

>>27322271
Thats what ive been saying in the past couple of weeks since the vshojojp announcement
They needed a big name in order to have a foothold in the jp market and the only one that was available and compatible is kson.

>>27322481
her content took a dive when she moved to twitch imo.

>>27322481
The moment she started showing boobs and crotch it was game over, didnt have to wait for month even

>>27322494
Can someone spoonfeed why so many anons mention chinks? Is VShojo somehow connected to Chinkland?

>>27320849
Kek.
Based grudge poster. So hololive is a black company too just like nijikeks.

>>27322481
Yeah anon, you will get some 8h streams of her reacting on Twitch

>>27322374
>imitating
They are not the same! Holo live is idol group, vshoujo is entertainers

So what exactly is this new Creative Freedom™ content that I am getting from Kson now that she’s in VShojo?

>>27322495
Cover really should've done that after the second HoloALT animation

>>27322224
I am officially betting my balls on at least one of the holoENs jumping to VShojo in 2023. Will it be Gura? Or Kronii? Or maybe even one of the EN3s if their debut goes poorly? Find out next year!

>>27322568
bro, it's Coco/Kson, even chinkbugs hasn't left fubuki after all this time

the fact that these two joined vshojoJP
it could be a game changer

>>27322495
>He who blinks last, wins
Depends on if Anycolor announces anything soon. If not, I actually do see Cover firing off En3 in July.

>>27322374
>reaction streams
>reaction streams
>reaction streams
yeah no, it'll be a long time before they even come close to immitating holo.

>>27322494
they got $11 million they will doin fine for the time being...

Ars with a Rust/New outfit buff. Nice numbers for her. Her clips with K4sen helped too.

>>27322602
collab with haachama i guess?

>>27322546
Gura might join in at the end, maybe hachama too, I heard she like nyanners a lot

>>27322643
kek, the thing is: the meta moved from SC to merch in the meantime. Even the fandom figured that out recently

>>27322481
>thinks she will get better when they probably gave her a big chunk of that $11 million to join
She can coast from now on

>>27322602
unlike hololive, vshojo doesn't restrict their talents so it's the same kson content as when she was indie but has support for merch and sponsors and stuff

>>27322647
they dont have a booth at AX

>>27322602
Melody collab on chaturbate

>>27322643
When are people gonna learn that themselves whores are nothing without the Holobox

>>27320499
>out of nowhere
It was 1. known for months 2. his lore ended and he made several tweets saying he feels aimless, hence his break due to depression 3. has a very active roommate and a job outside of streaming ever since he joined Nijisanji. I can see him joining as a staff one day for something but he has disdain for commercialized idol type stuff, he would never go to Vshoujo. Maybe he'd start an indie company. His lore video featured Iwanaga (former coo)'s pet Idol project, SLEE due to feeling bad for them. He's always been pretty openly annoyed at management and commercialization

>>27322647
What would Anykara even announce?

>>27322685
Gura won't go until she molests Shion and Aqua.

>>27322526
She also succeeded because she stood out in Hololive due to acting differently from the other talents. This is unlikely to happen in vshojo because they have pretty much no limitations.

Does this sound like miguel gato?
https://youtu.be/NQlH1lXq4tg?t=469

>>27322643
It won't be a gamechanger, it will be proof of concept how leaving the holobox destroys you. Especially Kson went to a nobody despite all the virtue signaling about her legendary status, to the point where she couldn't make it as an indie and crawled back to corpos.

>>27322759
this one already happened IIRC

>>27322602
She'll actually be able to say drugs and insult America and Japan, kek.

>>27322743
>it's the same kson content as when she was indie
I'll ask this very seriously: what kson did during her indie stint that she would be unable to do while on Hololive?

>>27322643
Vshojojp could unironically become the 2nd jp vtuber powerhouse at this rate if they play their cards right

>>27322643
True! I'm honestly rooting for then to success. Just so I can see idolfags seethe

>>27322743
>merch and sponsors and stuff
She already has this as an indie

>VShojo Kson/Miguel will collab with NijiEN to take down HoloEN
Surprising Combo

>>27322729
woah the hooodie looks nice

>>27322658
90% went to charity

>>27322793
You mean during NijiFes?

>>27322833
react videos

>>27322809
A little... lol... DId they really? Ahahaha

>>27322729
Well, everyone realizes that high SC parasocial culture is...
It's not healthy, for everyone involved. Better that people buy mech and cover/talents get better cuts AND you get something tangible out of it rather than dropping $100 on an akasupa..

MikeNeko will join Vshojo too
Mark my works

Mito join Vshoujo

>>27321990
>>27322222
Why are the biggest holocels so clueless about Japan?

>>27322833
Collab with melody…. And that’s it. All the irl streams could have been done regardless

>>27322864
anykara won't want anything to do with kson

>>27322864
Does NijiEN even collab with Vshojo like ever? Most of Vshojo kinda keeps to themselves besides Ironmouse.

>>27322864
JUST LIKE AKATSUKI HOLYSHIT!!

>>27322729
>muh merch
I remember when nijinigs coped like this. Reddit dragon mindbreaking another fanbase.

>>27322865
Right? First merch EVER tha I want to purchase and I'm not even a Miofa

>>27322743
So how the creative freedom being an indie?

For anyone who thought that transferring to less successful corpo is improbable, Luna already done that

>becoming a corpo in JP
doest this mean she NOW needs to ask for game permissions?

>>27322841
Are you willing to bet your balls on that?

>>27322833
>>27322851
Coco graduated because of Chinese nationalist harrasment and Hololive middle management banish rooming her. It makes sense for her to join vshojo that doesn't bow down to chinese overlords.

>>27322864
They will try.

>>27322958
yes they did
a lot even

>>27322729
it's better, i prefer my cut become something rater give it to Susan

>>27322909
Will Melissa join VShojo

>>27322841
Eh they wont grow that big but I could certainly see Coco/Rushia headed outfit fighting for third/fourth as the PSY style refuge of the vtuber industry.

okay who the fuck is raiding this thread?
>numberfags having good discussions about the move and numbers
>fags spamming KSON AND CAT TAKE DOWN COVER
like stop and go shit up the catalog instead nigger

>>27322968
niji merch was and is keychains and tapresties

>>27322958
They did quite a few collabs last year.

>>27322999
Not in twitch

>>27322864
>Anycolor
>touching kson
Kek

To the people saying haachama, reminder that she DOESN'T like coco, since she only collabed with her ONCE in the entirety of 2021, or at least the last 7 months she was till in hololive
The 3d collab doesn't count because it's pre-recorded

>>27322864
>Kson
those china sellouts won't dare

>>27323003
>vshojo that doesn't bow down to chinese overlords
They just never had to deal with them.

>>27323089
I guess shit changed when the boys debuted

>>27323074
there's no interesting numbers to speak of bro..

WHY THE FUCK KSON JOINED VSHOJO WHY WHY WHY WHY

>>27322841
Their brand power is too weak for that.

>>27323004
yes
with all that rrat in anykara their jp branch might not be as stable as it once was

Well we don't have a page 10 again so buckle up, this is going to be a long thread

>>27323159
Surprise, surprise, she got karma for shitting on middle management and have to rely on corpo to sell her merch

>>27323106
Anon, Haachama adores Coco and even celebrated her last anniversary (or was it her birthday) with a video

>>27323090
actually she will need to ask for perms now even on twitch.

>>27323159
you dont watch her why do you care? if she kept her fans from holo to when she was an indie then maybe she would had kept on doing her own thing.

Imagine vshoujo jp team with

Kson
Rushia
Marine
Hachaama

Who else would join in the future if they're proven success?

>>27323106
this is true

>>27322958
Where have you been ? NijiEn can collab with vshoujo whenever they want

>>27323156
i meant discussing how her numbers would change since this announcement. but it's kinda funny because japs are still sleeping and they announced this at 3am JP time

So they got Kson and Rushia too??
Fucking hell they're not playing around, I was sure they wouldnt touch the latter but maybe the west doesnt care about these sort of thing's.

>>27322864
>kson
i mean unless they want their most profitable branch to die

>>27323074
But how would you discuss the numbers after they'll take down Cover?

>>27323237
You underestimate the power of having investors.

>>27322958
Occasionally. More with the low end shitters like Zen/Froot than the big dogs. I think Nyanners has only done a couple, Vei was in maybe one big group thing that also had some Nijis in it. IM puts them on her show, that's the bulk of the collabs.

ironic how kson joins vshojo in the day that mayuzumi announces his graduation for "creative differences" in the same way she did a year ago.
In the end, despite the differences between the companies in how they do business, its really just my tribe and your tribe

Why is everyone going so crazy? Kson joining was coming for a while and if that second one is really Rushia that's just plain hilarious.

>>27323322
If they're planning to go as direct competitor, it's a good move since they don't have to interact with Hololive

>>27323316
vshojo knows that JP doesn't care about kson and miguel gato anymore.

>>27323322
>west
theyre expanding in jp

>>27322602
twitch react videos

>>27323322
>doesnt care
In Mike's case I would say don't know the depths of the japanese menhera mind

I actually can't tell shitposting from genuine ones, did they also get rushia?

>>27322251
Yes, but streamers only care about Superchat money. Fuck, go look at /asp/ or any vtuber wanting to join a corpo THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT SUPERCHATS. They could give a shit about merch rights and sponsorship splits

So how much you guys think they gave Kson and MiguelGato each?
$11 million and really it’s only been ads that had wasted on. I mean is Susan wastes $30 mil on 15k CCV shitters isn’t $5mil to each kind of a good deal?

>>27323322
I wonder why she didn't use her mikeneko channel? It's such a waste it's almost have a millions views.

>>27323450
Unknown but unlikely.

>>27323450
There's literally a twitch timestamp anon

>>27323450
Judge for yourself.
>>27322809

>>27323255
she's hard on herself because she thinks it was her fault that coco left.

>>27323322
It's a Japanese branch. If that is Michael westerners don't care about her and won't watch her anyway. They'll watch Kson, if, and it's a big if, she streams in English. They need the Japanese market if they want to be successful and expand.

>>27323458
if you are a 2 views yes
if you are on the 2k range and you are not stupid merch just gives more.

Does Kson join Vshojo like Kevin durant join Warriors?

>>27323399
The board is surprisingly calm compare to Mori yab though.

>>27323474
Shut the fuck up phoneposter

>>27322809
Mike...

>>27323450
Armchair vocal analysts for now, confirmed or deconfirmed later.

>>27321322
VShojoJP happened

>>27323458
Because it's the only public numbers that they can see.

>>27323159
she didn't do a shit in one years as an indie her only options were swallow her pride and comeback to Cover or join another corpo

>>27322809
It's definitely her
Holy fucking kek

>>27323450
The one small voice line from the new talent, well, it sorta COULD be Rushia, but that voice isn't really distinct enough to say 'yea it's her' for sure.

>>27322978
Yeah, I still have my hoodie from 15 years ago but it's wearing down now, perfect time for me to replace it.

What's with the new Hololive arc?
>Anykara has IPO, manufactured Salome's numbers while taking care of their weak livers one by one
>Vshojo pumped $11M, took kson and maybe miguel under their wing to open JP
>VSPO has a new kid in town and she's making numbers, while asumi is getting reworked and turned into calli 2.0
>Versen has more chuubas coming soon
Why are they doing this? Hololive is a walled garden for a reason, but they're attacking despite Holo doesn't really do anything. They're attacking the "idol" ideology or mindset of vtubers.

>>27323571
It's more like KD joining the Nets

>>27323474
I don't really know, but $11 mil sounds too little.
I have a 3view channel and youtube gives me $50 mil every week

>>27323474
I think 1/4 of those went to the backpack thing
she might have gotten $500k as signing bonus or something
She spends a lot and i remember some anon saying that the 3d thing cost a lot also

>kson thinks it'll be different this time since it's with her gal pals

Tatsunoko and Fandead are confirmed the most cucked fanbase
Imagine being cucked twice

>>27323458
Thats because up until a certain size, merch isn't feasible on a cost/profit basis.

That miguel gato statement’s timing is oddly on point if it turns out to be her.

>>27323571
more like KD + Irving (Rushia) to Nets

>Vshojo

We have a lot prostitute in nijisanji.

>>27323761
I don't think you guys are ready to admit it yet, but China was the worst imaginable hill to die on

>>27323815
Any goodwill for them is thrown out of the window

>>27323458

>>27323761
You forgot that everyone despises Holo because nobody likes whores.

>>27323474
This feels surreal.
Soon we will see vtuber transfer windows, million transfer fees and draft systems

>>27323761
>attacking
anon theyre fighting in the anti-idol audience which is not the audience of cover

you know it's kind of a pity this shit is happening right now because Kobo is about to overtake Vox in two days

>>27323474
id say half of that $11mil

>>27323889
SHUT up, gundou might be a whore but Hoshikawa isn't

>>27323450
Schrodinger's Mike, it could but it could also be not we'll only really know once it gets revealed

>>27323458
>he didn't heed the word of our lord and savior Hal
There even was the Millie leak too...

THIS IS JUST IN

MORI IS NEXT
>MORI IS NEXT
MORI IS NEXT
>MORI IS NEXT
MORI IS NEXT
>MORI IS NEXT
MORI IS NEXT
>MORI IS NEXT

>>27323787
She will be able to make Amy Schumer level skits with her friends for 4 views and be happy with it.

>>27323571
>*Westbrook
She’s beloved by a select group of fans still but she’s super washed at this point. Can still put up numbers i guess

>>27323761
What do you mean ESL bro? Everyone gets into business to make money, everyone is scrambling for a piece in their own way.

>>27324003
DO THIS VWHORES!

>>27323914
>I don't think you guys are ready to admit it yet, but China was the worst imaginable hill to die on
Yeah, now it feels pretty dumb to choose Coco over the chink market when the same person left a couple of months later and joined the competition a year after her graduation

Will NotCoco and NotRushia save VShojo JP though? will they stream on Twitch or YT? I fucking hate twitch. What the fuck did Vshojo these millionaires to pioneer their JP branch

does vshojo even have a presence in yotuube?

>>27323987
Correct, Hoshikawa is a slut

>>27323761
>attacking
take your meds

>>27323972
Literally no one cares about shitty sidebranches except indogs and chinks, which make up ENshart

>>27322809
Close enough to be possible, but this also smells like the "Petra is Mumei" rrat, and the voice isn't as unmistakably unique as Kson's.

>>27323917
this whore even sing a song for them
https://youtu.be/X96zX6Ahfko

>>27322602
Talk about their boyfriend and LGTV American politics

>>27323761
>attacking holo
what the fuck are you talking about

>>27323571
>>27323763
>>27323866
>>27324021
I don't get your /sp/ references

>>27323972
It's gonna be like 2 weeks before people get bored and go back to shitposting about Vox unless he shows some signs of life at some point. Even Salome is more lively and put up a fight today.

>>27323556
>They'll watch Kson, if, and it's a big if, she streams in English
They barely watch her. She's a low tier 5k holo and that's WITH her JOPs still watching her even in english

>>27323761
Meds, now

>>27323563
Anon, bro, 2views arent the only ones who think like this, /lig/-tier, three and four-views think the same way.

>>27324082
are they confirmed streaming on twitch?

>>27324085
twitch partners can't stream anywhere else without breaking their contract, can they?

>>27324106
nijiseethe

>>27324104
And I love her and her slutty best friend from holo so much too
Blondes are sluts, it comes with the package

>>27324068
Why should cover care what an ex talent is doing? Both of the parties still need to make a living.

>>27323914
Nah going all in on chinks would still be worse

>>27322809
Hahahahahahaha
Michaelcucks?

>>27324003
Mori has a new contract with UMG and there is no way they are letting her dissolve it so soon, literally anyone else is more likely

Hiring Mike is brand suicide and would basically kill any chance of a Hololive collab, is Vshojo retarded?

Micheal Cat and Kson going to vshojo wont suddenly make it so nijisanji actually wins a month...

>>27323571
Vshojo doesn't win anything though.
Hololive would be the GSW since whenever they show up, they win the day.

>>27324068
As a company who lives off of goodwill, they didn't have much of a choice.

Imagine being that Zhang fang who bought Michaelcat her L2D right now

>>27324082
What do you even mean by save? They are the only members for now.

>>27324204
5k is squarely in the middle of what Vshoujos get. Hime, Froot, Silverware or Mel would all be happy to get 5k.

>>27324003
Wait after her universal contract is up. Could be a year or two

Anyways, I'm still gonna watch Hololive and not Niji/Vshojo

>>27306922
according to what he said, his conversations with anykara began november last year, so way before luxiem was a thing. so this doesn't make sense. they tried to have a middle ground with him to renew the contract but it doesn't seem they reached an agreement for that

>>27324085
only connor.

>>27324300
VShojo doesn't need to collab with Hololive anymore, they have bigger fish to fry

>>27324366
no one cares

>>27323987

everyone in niji girl = whore

>>27323571
no, this is like when some washed up loser like Allen Iverson goes to China (well, not China in this case)

>>27324305
Might win a day, especially if Michael does a debut on youtub and it's an otherwise slow day.

>>27324366
based

>>27324391
which is?

>>27324003
Mori mentioned that her contract with UMG lasts years so no.

>>27322621
That would've overshadowed any birthdays, anniversaries or events near that date. They need clear dates for debuts.

>>27324300
>0Hiring Mike is brand suicide and would basicall
i mean, look at their other vtubers.. they all seem like the same low quality

Considering miguel joined yet another JP company, bets on how long until she kamikazes?

>>27324230
Cover lost potential revenue and collabs to defend Coco. But then she left with the excuse that she didn't want to be a corpo vtuber and now she joins vshojo for a big fat check along with the menhera.

>>27324082
no one in Japan knows kson and notrushia even got announced yet.
>3:20AM

>>27324366

>>27324220
Yes partners are exclusive to the platform. Affiliates are not. Though partnering isn't even worth it anymore because Twitch is hellbent on the 50/50 split now unless you were previously grandfathered in with a better rev share.

>>27324218
I'm not seeing any youtube links so I guess.

>>27324436
>everyone in vshojo girl = slut

>>27324476
Yeah mori achieved the goal of her career so now shes just gonna brap out songs and drink booze.

>VShojoJP try to catch Hololive funnels in their first weeks

So NijiEN won't collab with Vshojo anymore?

>>27324511
I'll give it 6 months before another discord yab happens

>>27324214
That's fair. To get merch that's both profitable and not a big massive fucking headache to make requires processes to be in place that MANY indies don't have the knowledge or skills to pull off.

>>27324176
In easier terms think Messi joining Atletico Madrid, she's not joining the nemesis but go to the lesser known rival

>>27324366
I'm with you too, brother. They replace anime nowadays and the other groups are just streamers with no backstories and forced memes.

>>27324511
ehhh her current fanbase are all gigacucks that will forgive everything she does so she'll be fine.

>>27324605
you tell me

>>27321570
how many months did it take for Luna to join Hololive after she graduated at Niji as Moruru? because if it's shorter than 1 year, i don't believe these non-competes are enforceable.

Cover needs to announce something already. Fucking ANYTHING. EN3, Gen 7, new concert, fucking HomoEN, a beta for HoloEarth, Jesus.

>>27320066
Yua...

>>27324605
depends if their chinese overlords will approve of it but then that might make chinese pol target them even further

>>27324366
Nice

NO no, it can't be real.

>vshojo actually hired coco and rushia
>they plastered "freedom" all over their ads in japan
holy kek
i wonder how cover feels about this and if they'll keep being friendly with vshojo

>>27324669
chrunchyrollEXPO, wait for it.

>>27322809
notcoco it's ok but notrushia....
that bitch is so menhera and unestable that she gonna fuck up and drag veryone down with her

>>27324669
Why? Because news about other companies live rent free in your head?

>>27324669
La+ without her jacket streams next week.

>>27324669
>announces hololive summer
DOVIT YAGOO PULL THE LEVER

>>27323972
Damn, those fags were literally spamming how she would never get the 1m before Vox and how much of a lead he had but looks at this now

>>27324735
Wish they hired Delta for the trifecta, would have been funny.

>>27324511
1st stream. She’ll forget to separate her business account from personal account in discord again. Book it.

>>27324605
They haven't collabed in a while as is.

>>27324609
>>27324634
>that will forgive everything she does
I mean, her previous company before the nekomancer.

>>27324600
Predict their debut numbers!

>>27324735
Openly showing animosity towards your former fanbase is a suicide move

>>27324772
Yes? It's called competition, retard.

>>27324669
Its actually sad how holofags are so insecure...

>>27324560

Hologirls : Look at those low class whore .

some vshojo bait going missing on catalog

>>27324735
I would be happy if i was cover right now if they actually hired notrushia

>>27324669
Why? Everything is going fine for them.

>>27323159
superior company pls andastd

>>27324376
Nijisanji overtures into the "idol market" (I'm using this term very loosely, in the "sing, dance and sell merch" sense) started way before Luxiem tho and that may be the change that miffed him.
Before that Nijis were very lax on what their "livers" would do, whoever wanted to sing could, the rest could do as they please.

But there is this HUGE appeal on creating units (like Chronoir and ROF MAO) and making their streams more "professional" seems to have taken precedence

>>27324671
6 months after Moruru graduated

>>27324669
It's a good day to see holobronies seethe uncontrollably
Imagine how the cope when cover decide to announce homoEN instead lmao

>>27324801
Pretty sure Kson and Miguel are not the entire first batch, just the centers who will prepare the ground.

>>27324333
Coco should've stayed in hololive as a thanks to cover and her coworkers for choosing her over the zhangs and leaving the chink market
Or if she wanted to leave, she should've left when the Taiwan yabe happened and chinks wanted her head
Instead she stayed, the company took a hit, then she left and joined the competition despite saying that she was not going to join another corporation