/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>27304683
Don't watch that useless whore, watch Gura instead.

you'll like Sumi Ushio from PrismProject

>>27304683
Only watch Japanese and Indonesian VTubers.

Run while you still can.

>>27304683
No, the go to virtual youtuber to watch is Gura, she's the most popular. Leave Ame alone, we are full.

>>27304772
t. deadbeat

>>27304683
Indeed! Ame is love. She's the best and you should start watching her streams NOW!

>>27304683
The only things you need to know are that Hololive is good, Nijisanji is full of woke fags and VShoujo is full of whores.

>>27304921
Shut up. We don't need more.

>>27304775
Is prismproject another kind of group? How many are there?
>>27304822
Indonesian?? just how worldwide are virtual youtubers
>>27304772
>>27304833
>gura
I think I've also seen this character before, any nice videos I can watch of her?

You can think of hololive like watching Love Live/Im@s since they're going the idol route. You'll get the SoL through talking streams, games, collabs, and then cap off the seasons with the occasional concert.

>>27304683
Return to /a/, getting invested in 3D is a mistake. Don't fall for their guise.

>>27304683
English speaking vtubers were a mistake
Do not make that mistake
This hobby was founded on laughing at unintelligble sounds made by retarded Japanese women and if you don't start there you'll be doing yourself a disservice
Watch subbed clips of JPs if you must but do not make the same mistake that so many newfags made and watch ENs

>>27305062
>How many are there?
Just from the generals here
>Hololive
>Nijisanji
>Prism Project
>Tsunderia
>Kawaii Production
>Phase Connect
>Cyberlive
>Akio Air
>Idol Project
Pretty sure there's more

>>27304683
Do you have a w/a/ifu? Not just seasonal waifus, but your one true waifu. If you have that, you better run from vtubers.

>>27305062
>How many are there?
Well, you have the big three corporations that have by far the biggest number of viewers: hololive, nijisanji and vshojo and then there's several small corpos that have much fewer viewers. There's a lot of them but the most relevant are phase connect, prism project, project kawaii and tsunderia. There's alo plenty of indies that aren't associated with any corporation.

>>27305343
Cyberlive is dead bro.

>>27304683
To understand vtubers and its fans you need to see 3 clips
Fubuki Scatman
Akai Haato sniffs her feet
Korone loves the BFG

>>27305062
>just how worldwide are virtual youtubers
"English" VTubers may very well be non-native English speakers (one of which is Kiara from Hololive English). But then you ask, what about Indonesia and VTubers? Back in the early 2020s, Japanese VTuber agencies such as Hololive and Nijisanji opened Indonesian branch with Indonesian talents to Indonesian audiences. Why? It's a huge-ass country with a fuckton of weebs with meager disposable, also colonial relation.

Fast forward to today, Hololive Indonesia is really big and Kobo Kanaeru, one of their talents inclined hard by pandering to Indonesian normies and is actually entertaining. Nijisanji Indonesia is no more, and you have all sorts of Indonesian VTuber agencies and independent VTubers popping up here and there. There's also the Thai, Malaysian and Pinoy VTubers, at least in ASEAN. So yeah, it's very global, anon.

>>27305207
>You can think of hololive like watching Love Live/Im@s
thats an awful comparsion
vtubers are streamers + anime girls
none of them are idols

>>27305724
*meager disposable income. It may not be much but Indonesian talents are cheap.

>>27305787
cope, if it wasn't for the idol stuff Hololive wouldn't have received so much sponsorship support and a decent portion of the fanbase would have gotten bored during the holocaust

>>27305898
Hololive aren't idols
They're cleaner than other groups, and that's their advantage, but they aren't idols
Watching a Hololive stream is nothing like watching Love Live

>>27305952
I don't care about some anime or you basing the definition on some cartoon, they're idols.
The difference between a regular artist and an idol is primarily the communication with fans. Has nothing to do with purity.

>>27306020
If you don't care about the discussion being had, don't reply

>>27306094
Diddums, you're wrong and I am right.

>>27306140
>you're wrong because I'm not going to read what you're actually saying and argue against things I made up in my head
Stop being a retard

>>27306250
This isn't verbal communication, everyone can see what we've written and who's behaving in what way.
Either contradict what i've said or accept being wrong

>>27306020
>The difference between a regular artist and an idol is primarily the communication with fans.
Purity is absolutely part of being an idol.

>>27306292
The guy said it was comparable to watching idolmaster or love live
I said no it wasn't, that was the context for the comparsion

>>27304683
This was the wrong place to come to for an answer OP, but no, it's not too late. /vt/ is for telling everyone else that their oshi is a worthless whore, and only your oshi is good and cute.

If you want to be actually entertained you can start by looking up Hololive Clips on Youtube and find who you like from there. EN/JP/IN are the three main branches and they're all great fun.

Ler's at least agree they call themselves Hololive Idol Project.
Or you could argue that never exist too.

>>27306296
Outside of the obvious examples, like JAV and gravure idols, there are plenty of examples within music specifically that make that clearly untrue.
There is an idol group of pensioner women, with great grandchildren and shit.
The consumer market preferring to invest in girls that aren't in relationships is not an idol exclusive thing.
>>27306345
>none of them are idols
>Hololive aren't idols
You didn't make the claim that it was only different from specific media.

>>27304683
As long as you watch Amelia Watson it's never too late

>>27306417
If you can't be bothered reading the context of a discussion, that's on you and your short attention span
Although they really aren't like any other sort of idols you could name, they aren't like traditional Asian music idols, they're primarily streamers who directly interact with their audience like streamers do

>>27305343
How did i miss these much streamers? it's crazy also this nijisanji group is a japanese group and they have more than one hundred??? that's insane
>>27305389
what are indies? Does that mean independents? You can be a virtual youtuber without a group?
>>27305724
>asean virtual youtubers
I did not expect virtual youtubers to be this big, it's like I have been locked away from the real world of streaming.
>>27305327
what do you mean I should start with japanese virtual youtubers? is there an initiation ritual like in finding nemo? lol
>>27305345
I have seasonal waifus but I still keep Ryuuko matoi in my top list, I like boyish girls.
>>27305496
I will check these out!
>>27305898
is that also a virtual youtuber in your gif? or is that a 3d animation like miku?
Also I'm learning a lot from these replies!

>>27306501
>If you can't be bothered reading the context of a discussion, that's on you and your short attention span
I don't care about your goalpost shifting, this isn't a verbal communication and I won't be tripped up by lies.
>Although they really aren't like any other sort of idols you could name, they aren't like traditional Asian music idols, they're primarily streamers who directly interact with their audience like streamers do
They are. You're only half invested in the content they create. As an example, idols broadcasting on a radio show specifically for their group to converse, just like Hololives radio show SKDW

>>27306417
>Outside of the obvious examples, like JAV and gravure idols, there are plenty of examples within music specifically that make that clearly untrue.
>There is an idol group of pensioner women, with great grandchildren and shit.
>The consumer market preferring to invest in girls that aren't in relationships is not an idol exclusive thing.
You only see what you want to see. No other industry has contractually enforced dating bans, or promises romantic loyalty to their fanbase. Nobody refers to "JAV idols" as actual Idols. Being ignorant of something as apparent as this is willful

>>27306607
You literally didn't read the post you were replying to, you fucking retard
Hololive's primary platform is livestreaming on youtube, they're much closer to streamers than idols

>>27306577
>what do you mean I should start with japanese virtual youtubers? is there an initiation ritual like in finding nemo? lol
Unironically yes, vtubing should start with JP vtubers
I recommend typing Hololive eng sub into youtube and making sure the vtuber in the clip you watch is speaking japanese, and then proceed from there

>>27306577
>is that also a virtual youtuber in your gif? or is that a 3d animation like miku?
It's Towa, another vtuber from Hololive. the girls practice dancing and singing to put on a show for their fans in 3D
>>27306678
>No other industry has contractually enforced dating bans, or promises romantic loyalty to their fanbase
Yes there is, as an example child disney stars used to not be allowed in relationships and Geisha's have a long history of maintaining such appearances.
It's simply a market decision which is generally successful, not the common practice.

>>27306782
Why should he watch something in a language he doesnt understand when there's perfectly good English vtubers available

>>27306846
There's a few reasons but I would say the best one is that by the time HoloEN arrived, clipping had already lost quality and the best clips are those which survived the test of time.

>>27306841
>Yes there is, as an example child disney stars used to not be allowed in relationships and Geisha's have a long history of maintaining such appearances.
>It's simply a market decision which is generally successful, not the common practice.
Your examples include the words used to and geishas. And you're misrepresenting the disney stars thing, it's nowhere near what love bans are for idols.
This is what I mean by you seeing what you want to see. You purposefully misinform people as well as yourself because you cannot admit that it is possible to form an industry whose basis is something you claim is ubiquitous anyway, despite that making zero sense.

>>27306846
He's just being an elitest faggot. I also started with JP(Miko) but the EN girls are perfectly fine, and you actually get to understand them.

>>27306936
He should just watch HoloEN instead of clips of JP
unless he wants to, of course

>>27306712
>Op says he's from /a/, anime is used as a comparrison
>No it's not like anime because it's streaming
You're right. A more helpful comparrison is that hololive is like watching nijisanji

>>27306846
Avatar the last airbender is great but you wouldn't want that to be the start of you learning about anime

>>27306846
Because most EN are just twitch thot with anime avatar and OP is from /a/, he won't enjoy that. JP kayfabe will be more familiar to his habitat

>>27304683
vtubers are just streamers
some of them have more anime character mannerisms
there's probably some you'll like but you'll have to find them yourself

>>27306978
You don't even provide examples. You aren't into idols to begin with and you're the one trying to misinform a potential viewer.
>>27306991
It's just that it's easier to choose clips from before everyone and their mother started clipping.

>>27307038
That's a very misleading comparsion
I started watching vtubers in Japanese before English vtubers, and I don't think he's missing anything at all by just watching English ones

>>27307113
most JP are just NND thot with anime avatar

>>27307186
Touché, they're not getting clipped tho

>>27307240
All vtubers get clipped, what the fuck are you talking about

>>27307134
>You don't even provide examples. You aren't into idols to begin with and you're the one trying to misinform a potential viewer.
Examples of what? Of idol corporations with love bans? What are you trying to pull here exactly?

>>27304683
Hello! Here's a good JP vtuber gateway stream, if you're interested:
https://youtu.be/_pid5tfoOy8

>>27307145
JP vtubing culture and EN vtubing culture are entirely different bubbles.

>>27307297
I want you to provide your best argument to me so I can prove it wrong. I don't want to discuss it if you're not worth discussing it with.

>>27307276
Im talking about me never seeing it, obviously.

>>27307113
I don't see the EN girls having coomer fanbox accounts like the JP girls do.
You are just a self hating weeaboo

>>27307340
>entirely different
try "slightly different"
the biggest English vtubers are literally part of Japanese companies and abide by pretty much all the same rules and customs

Don't watch vtubers, it's fucking stupid

there are a billion vtubers out there, if you really want to get into it then you're better off doing a lot of your own searching instead of just asking for the most popular ones.
smol ame in particular is based on a chibi drawing by walfas which you might recognize for his touhou stuff if you've been here long enough. you can check his twitter he's drawn things for lots of vtubers from large companies to small indies.

>>27307351
What in the fuck are you even talking about?
If somebody asks for your non normalfag opinion of where to go to watch attractive women promise to love you and where they can be certain that the girl doesn't have any men in their life, you tell them to go be an idol buta because that's the industry that openly dedicates themselves to that. This isn't up for debate, this is a literal fact

>>27307387
I'll take the weeaboo, but how is this self hating? I'm not even a vtuber

>>27307387
You're right, they have boyfriends instead, which is much worse.

>>27304683
For Hololive, definitely. These recent streams are garbage compared to the magic of 2020 and 2021. I don't care about offcolllabs, I just want good streams (and they're not giving it, at all, not even streams per se)

>>27307502
>What in the fuck are you even talking about?
He said something dumb several posts ago and now he's posting incomprehensible gibberish trying to save face

>>27304683
That's AmeBee, and she's my beeloved

>>27307340
>>27307395
They're different in how they're clipped at least, especially in what gets the most views and attention from the algorithm. Which is why I personally don't think it would be wise to just let him loose on any clips, if you want him to watch EN then you should help refine the search.
>>27307502
If that's all you have to say we're done.

>>27307538
>Having a boyfriend is worse than showing your tits and ass to strangers for money on the internet

Okay retard

>>27307680
don't bother arguing with unicorns they're a special kind of stupid

>>27307676
>They're different in how they're clipped at least
No they aren't you dumb fucking weeb
Your Japanese eltiism is stupid stupid as hell

>>27307676
>If that's all you have to say we're done.
Whatever you say, retard. Keep lying to yourself.

>>27307680
>>27307742
You realize that you are arguing that not having sex is less pure than actually having sex right

>>27306296
No, the biggest part of being idol is growing up with the fans, that was literally the point of being idol, it always been like that and it will never change

>>27307744
Doesn't really matter if you think I'm wrong, if you look up the most popular clips of EN you won't get introduced to the girls like a newcomer would and if you want the guy to watch EN you should do your part in helping him find clips.

>>27307866
The point of being an idol is to take advantage of lonely men by getting them to feel a form of a parasocial love towards you and give you money

>>27307395
>abide by pretty much all the same rules and customs
>he said that when pink woman exist
heh

>>27307866
You are a fucking idiot who knows nothing about idols and that will never change.

>ITT teacucks getting territorial to newcomers

>>27304683
No, it's not too late. Korone is live right now, go watch her. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vZLCccAYTO8

>>27307875
I don't think you're wrong, you ARE wrong. You've spent this entire thread posting braindead bullshit because you think JP is inherently better for no reason based on nothing but your own feelings
Clippers will clip
>funny moments
>lewd moments
>vtubers talking about other vtubers
>drama
It's the same shit in English, Japanese, Spanish, Russian, whatever language you want

>>27304772
t. Pedophile

>>27307904
Does pink woman play by any different rules than a Japanese Hololive member would?

>>27307806
I have seen pics of some JP members with their tits out and white liquid simulating cum all over them.
If you are slutty enough to sell that on the internet, there's no way in hell you are pure or a virgin or whatever.
You are delusional and you will never be japanese.

>>27307806
I don't really give a shit about purity, I don't care if someone wants to do sex work, but yes having someone in your life is in fact more pure than making money selling titpics and that doesn't change because the titpic seller isn't getting any

>>27307900
>>27307944
revealing your bias without any self-awareness. I think at least OP will notice that behaviour.
>>27307967
I wasn't one of the people saying JP was better. My first post on clipping was this
>>27306936
then I said
>It's just that it's easier to choose clips from before everyone and their mother started clipping.
And then I said
>They're different in how they're clipped at least, especially in what gets the most views and attention from the algorithm. Which is why I personally don't think it would be wise to just let him loose on any clips, if you want him to watch EN then you should help refine the search.
Not a single thing to imply one was better than the other. While you wrote to me
>>27307744
suggesting that you are just the opposite of same coin what you're claiming me to be.

>>27307944
Enlighten my idiot ass then you fucking nigger

>>27308111
>revealing your bias
That's a straight up fact you moron

>>27308203
Sure it is, who's your oshi

>>27308226
Cali

>>27308027
If the lean stuff would happen to any JP member it would be insta graduation considering how Japan is super stringent about any mention of drugs. Not even mentioning JP antis.

>>27308226
What does that have to do with anything?
If you think that idols aren't about taking advantage of lonely men your'e delusional or stupid
It's obvious

>>27308104
>but yes having someone in your life is in fact more pure than making money selling titpics
You're an actual fucking loon with no grasp on reality nor what the word purity means.

You do you man I’m only getting into new hololive members thanks to mouse from vshojo, and so far they’re fucking amazing

>>27306577
If you wanna get started then just pick one of the big 3 EN corpos, pick smeone with a design yoy like, and start watching clips or something. If you want a truthpill then just start watching the EN holos because they're not that retarded and don't go into politics and other retarded shit because the company knows what the people want and the people just want CGDCT without being reminded of the shit happening in the real world. They also get cool shit like 3D concerts and cool merch which nijisanji just doesn't provide. Also devoid of basically any drama from the talents themselves. Most drama just starts from the fans being stupid and is pretty much resolved and buried asap. I'll be lying if there weren't any big dramas though like one of the JP talents got fired for breaking NDA and one of the JP talents destroyed the bridge with china which is pretty based but still drama. The EN branch doesn't have any notable drama though except for one decisive pink-haired talent who you either love or hate. Basically, Holos are safe and polished with zero politics, Nijis are are more open which leads to having politics and I swear they don't have a manager or something because there's stupid shit happening every week, and Vshojo is decently high quality but very risky and open to drama.

>>27308312
that was a stupid mistake, she isn't actually sipping on purple drank

>>27308111
>revealing your bias without any self-awareness. I think at least OP will notice that behaviour.
>my bias
>implying I made that post
I love my oshi romantically and my oshi loves me romantically, which is part of why she is an idol. She isn't taking advantage of me because we are unironically in a mutual romantic relationship and support one another.

>>27308317
It's not their goal or primary intention to do so.
It's like saying a sitcom is taking advantage of people who want to be entertained.

>>27308414
That's why I said any mention.

>>27308451
sitcoms don't take advantage of people, there's no exploitation going on when you watch a tv show
there is explotation going on when a woman who doesn't want you makes you fall in love with her anyway because they like the attention

>>27308538
mentioning drugs isn't illegal. saying you take drugs might be, but Mori was just being a fucking retard

>>27307900
you don't need to be an idol to be able to do that

>>27304683
Of course it's too late. What you think this is? A bunch of videos and streams that everybody can just come in and watch?
Retard.

>>27308594
Sure, being being an idol gets you the most attention

>>27308120
The point of an idol is to engage with a new type of romantic relationship found nowhere else on the planet
Nowhere else can you be assured of the sexual celibacy a girl who is truly in romantic lve with her audience
This is a type of mindset and market entirely unique to Japan and the fact that nobody else here will ever be able to provide even a single alternative is irrefutable proof of such

>>27308544
I get that you're deluded but who are you trying to convince by saying such bizarre things?
We're here to help the OP understand vtubers, not trying to get him to understand your personal issues.

>>27308636
How?
Streamers exploit people just fine in the west without the idol label.

>>27308710
>Nowhere else can you be assured of the sexual celibacy a girl who is truly in romantic lve with her audience
lmao

>>27308710
>Nowhere else can you be assured of the sexual celibacy a girl who is truly in romantic lve with her audience

>>27306782
These hololive girls are fun to watch, I followed what you said and I clicked this one with a virtual youtuber named flare and I saw small ame in a game?? it was cute but I don't know what's happening lol, also I find it weird how they speak Japanese, it feels less exaggerated? It's hard to explain! now my recommendations is full of this flare!
>>27306991
I want to also watch Holo EN!
>>27307145
I want to try watching both, I want to understand all the things this board is talking about and the references!
>>27307276
There are so many channels for clippers, are they all also an organization like scanlators?
>>27307303
Thanks! I'll bookmark it for now
>>27307387
What's a fanbox? I know it's like patreon but don't youtube have their membership features? I saw the join buttons on their channels
>>27307434
I like anime but I also want to like vtubers!
>>27307456
vtubers are also using fan works? That sounds cool. I want to learn about vtubers but it's hard to know what to start with since just earlier I discovered that there's actually a lot of them.
>>27307967
lol its like I never /a/ at all, is jp vtubers the evangelion of /vt/? I think im at home in this place

>>27308739
that's the truth my naive friend

>>27308759
being an idol or a streamer means millions of people love you

>>27308821
>is jp vtubers the evangelion of /vt/
not really
there's some elitism from moronic weebs who think Japan is superior and they won't watch English ones, but that's mostly died down now that discussion has moved off /jp/

>>27308821
Based new elfriend, keep watching Flare clips
People call me a JP elitist but it's fine to try EN vtubers but I'd recommend sticking to JPs like Flare for a few weeks. Just to get a proper 'grounding'
Anyway you're well on your way with those clips, now comes the really fun part where each new clip on the sidebar is like a piece of candy. The next few weeks are the first high which means you've got some good times ahead of you anon. Enjoy.

>>27308981
>I'd recommend sticking to JPs like Flare for a few weeks. Just to get a proper 'grounding'
retard

>>27308769
>>27308800
/qa/ lost

>>27308821
>These hololive girls are fun to watch, I followed what you said and I clicked this one with a virtual youtuber named flare and I saw small ame in a game?? it was cute but I don't know what's happening lol, also I find it weird how they speak Japanese, it feels less exaggerated? It's hard to explain! now my recommendations is full of this flare!
Small Ame is in a Hololive fan game, that's FOTM just now.
Flare is great
https://youtu.be/tu-sTLUG9Lc

>>27308345
virtual youtubers have drama? that is kind of scary, I look at this thread and people are telling me to avoid certain vtubers and start with them, it's like people fighting which anime is the best lol. I just want to watch a vtuber that is maybe fun, also I need to ask is the singing and dancing every vtuber does? I see the term idol being thrown around.

also they have dealings with a company? and fired because of china? I don't know if what you are saying is true anon if it is then I'm kind of scared which to watch now lol.

>>27308821
You are too cute Anon. It almost makes me feel bad to be shitposting on your thread.

Start by watching clips(which are basically stream highlights) and then checks the ones you like the most.

People mentioned Gura and Korone a lot since they are very noob-friendly. If you know japanese though, there's way more material than if you just limit yourself to the english speakers. EN vtubers are all the rage here in this board because, well, no one knows japanese, and we can just understand what the translators manage to translate or clip.

>>27308821
>lol its like I never /a/ at all, is jp vtubers the evangelion of /vt/? I think im at home in this place
Yes, JP vtuber culture is the core of vtubing and thats why vtubers arent just streamers with an anime avatar
anybody who says that vtubers are just streamers with an anime avatar is a normalfag tourist who is new and has no argument, they don't understand vtubing, and should commit suicide. These are all objective facts.

>>27304683
>/a/
Go back.
I mean it.

>>27309123
vtubers have a ton of drama and most of this board outside the general threads is just dramabaiting
it's all feminine gossip about gay shit nobody cares about
Nijisanji is the drama magnet at the moment

>>27309123
>also I need to ask is the singing and dancing every vtuber does?
Singing and dancing is something Hololive takes a high priority in, with lots of original song and album releases.
It's not necessarily the norm however occasional song covers are popular even among girls that aren't focused on it.

>>27309123
Flare is a good start for then because she's drama-free
People will meme about her sub numbers being low because she's black hecause it's funny to joke about black people being less popular
Also she isn't actually black and you'll get banned if you say she is in live chat so don't do that

>>27309123
Just watch whatever you enjoy dont listen to who you should avoid anon

>>27307031
>OP comes from /o/
>watching Hololive is like driving a Miata-MX 5
Trying to make a helpful comparison is one thing but that doesn't make it correct. So yes, you can argue that it is not like watching anime and more like streaming because people from /a/ still know what a streamer is.
A more apt comparison is that you watch the seiyuu talk about voicing a girl from love live play a video game, and seeing her act out the role of said girl. Whether you watch her pretending that she IS the girl or just the seiyuu giving BTS commentary on her work depends on the vtuber and the divide is not between Holo JP and EN, or Holo and Niji.

>>27308821
What kind of personality/look do you like? Might help narrow down who you may like to watch but there are a lot of 'entry level' personalities that appeal to a lot of people.
And I saw something you asked about indie vtubers? In the early days the technology was expensive to develop and there were only a few artists/riggers who could really bring a 2D figure to life, so it was usually limited to corporations with only a smattering of indies. These days it's very accessible to get the software and there are a lot of artists/riggers at various price ranges so anyone can be a vtuber now. Twitch has like, a ton of 2view streamers using cheap or free models.

>>27309304
vtubers aren't playing a character, they're being themselves with an anime avatar on
they talk about their real lives and their real personalities are on display, it's not scripted

>>27304683
Go ask in Amelia Watson thread if you're interested in smol Ame.

>>27309359
NTA and I agree that they're not playing a character but they're not necessarily being themselves.
It's a version of themselves they want to show to the public.

>>27309123
People here like to make up narratives and drama about vtubers so it's best to just ignore them and enjoy.
Performing is something that Hololive vtubers primarly do, with Nijisanji coming in next. The majority these days are just regular streamers.

>>27309123
Drama is over-exaggerated. This is still a board for streamers aka Real People, which means that the kiwifarms type likes to come here because whenever there are real people online, sadists who unironically enjoy making others sad gather to spread rumors and bring others down. Remember that there are a few very loud bad people here and you'll be fine.
(that doesn't mean ignore everything, obviously. There ARE vtubers who have done bad things, but they're very rare)

>>27309359
Are you saying my oshi is actually do work at State Intelligence Agency?

Everybody post your favorite Flare clip to help OP out

>>27304683
>Amelia Watson
based taste

>>27309635
not a clip but whatever

>>27309598
Does you oshis "character"?
When you watch her streams, do you actually believe the woman on the screen in a secret agent? Does she actually do what "playing a chacter" means and sell it or is it a fucking meme?

>>27309244
>Flare is a good start
anyone from sankisei is a hard filter

>>27304683
I have to speak up for my deadbeatsisters here, but if ever you are looking for a vtuber who likes to stab her friends in the back and then laugh about it, Calliope Mori is your gal.

If you like the less exaggerated bit of Flare, you might enjoy clips of Bakatare

>>27308821
If you like tomboys you should watch Hololive's Subaru, she even tries to provide some english translations during her streams

>>27309743
No way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HAG7cPdHw4

>>27309743
Clearly not
If the algorithm led anon to Flare and he liked it I will trust Google here in terms of knowing way too much about OP and tell him to follow that breadcrumb trail

>>27306140
You are right i support your argument anon

>>27309123
The only major drama Hololive ever had was over their chinese fans sperging out over Kiryu Coco saying the word Taiwan. Hololive pulled out of China completely (based) and that's the end of it.

>>27309123
The china stuff is talking about Coco, Hololive talent who graduated last summer (year ago yesterday in fact). Officially she parted ways with the company over creative differences, but there's a lot more to it than that. She was always pushing the envelope, both in new content and ideas but also in what is 'acceptable' behavior; some people think she was at least partly pressured out of the company (she's Japanese-American, raised in Atlanta Georgia for context, though she's lived in Japan for years now). She also drew Chinese ire over a completely innocent use of 'Taiwan', then refused to bow to their demands which resulted in an organized, continuous attack on her and the company by hordes of Chinese antis. Lasted a good year, with some lingering effects still to this day. Was a major part in Hololive completely pulling out of China in favor of the Western market (which wasn't a light decision, before this Hololive had a huge presence and fanbase in the Chinese vtuber market. Even had an entire Chinese talent branch that got shuttered shortly after). In the end she left the company on good terms and is still fondly regarded by all the other talents.
Now she's independent under her old name kson, and with all the freedom she could want most people agree her content has gotten a lot lazier and boring.

But yeah, vtubers are online entities, and if there's anything you can guarantee about online entities it's that there'll always be plenty of drama. Hololive tends to be a bit more drama-free than other, especially the EN branch compared to other EN vtubers, and JP tubers are definitely more drama-free than EN ones in general. But it's usually nothing to really worry much about.

Unless you're a fandead, in which case we'll all point and laugh.

>>27308710
The closest the west got to this was boy bands.

>>27308636
>>27308710
Being a streamer and you can still be able to do that, idol is diamond in the rough, they can be bad anything but they still can be an idol because growing up with the fans is the point of an idol. Idol who trying their best for their fans and the fans who will always watch and supporting their oshi dreams, then finally to see her journey and growth from the one who can't do anything to someone who sparkle in the spotlight while you stand proud with her through happy and hard times until the end. That is what idol is, sure there always be an unicorn and parasocial retard but that is not the point of it, and thanks for coming to my ted talk

>>27308710
I'm using this as a shitpost from now on. Thanks for the pasta.

>>27309704
Yes
No
Yes

>>27309123
Okay, I kinda apologize now for somewhat tribalfagging. I kinda exaggerated my claims but they were still based on actual events that transpired. I tried to watch all of the big 3 companies at the start but I didn't like niji and vshoujo but they have their good points with them. Holos are very safe and polished but they are very sanitized and heavily restricted especially the EN talents. It may feel soulless since they pretty much need permissions from the higher ups to do anything but I like it because I'm assured that what they do is pretty much catered to me and I understand if that'a not everyone's cup of tea. Nijisanji then is the actual friendly rival of Hololive. They have a lot of talents, pretty much over 100 at this point, which pretty much means that there'll be a chuuba for you. They're more laxed than Hololive because they're not an idol company which has its pros and cons. On one hand they are more free to do what they want but on the other hand it can also lead to some controversy which was enough to turn me off but that's just me. The last big corpo is Vshoujo which is pretty much just a corpo made out of previous indies that are friends. They're very very laxed and act more like your regulat twitch streamers and they interact a lot with other twitch streamers and are more involved with twitch culture. It's not particularly my cup of tea but if you like it then that's good.

Aww anon, you are about to fall in the deepest abyss and Im feeling kinda bad for not stopping you...

>>27306577
>boyish girls
Try to watch clips of Oozora Subaru from Hololive JP if you're okay with eng subs
Any other specific traits of anime girls that you like?
Do you happened to like listen to JP songs? If yes, I would like to shill some of my favorite vsingers

>>27310413
Show me where there is an explicit cultural expectation for celibacy in streamer culture with literal contracts including things like that
Also, your whole thing about watching them grow is ACTUALLY something people do with streamers and artists all the fucking time

>>27310559
Then she's not playing a character, she's meming a character as herself

>>27310676
This so much. Be careful /a/non.
I'm also a long-time /a/non (15+ years), and ever since I started watching Hololive regularly in mid-late 2020 I've watched maybe 3~4 seasonal series to completion. My backlog has never grown as fast as it has these past two years.

>>27304683
Don't fall down the rabbithole, save yourself.....so many hours wasted.

>>27310880
>Keeping up with new anime and not just watching whatever the fuck you want.
gay.

Seeing your replies made me remember when I was first exposed to vtubers
Just remember this hobby can be very time consuming if you're too deep in it

>>27310557
I'm sure the rest of your trannycord will love it

>>27305952
>all idols must act like love live
Get a load of this fag

>>27304772
She's got a boyfriend too

>>27310851
That's still playing character wdym?because it break too much 4th wall or something?

>>27310937
But I do just watch whatever I want to watch. I just happen to have a wide range of tastes and interests; there's usually about a dozen shows each season that make it on my 'should check this out' list, with about half making it past the first few episodes.

>>27311072
>Just remember this hobby can be very time consuming if you're too deep in it
That's the thing, vtubers in the west have a very reality TV feel and FOMO is pretty hard for corpos since you have character development and special events happening all the time like interactions, it's almost impossible to take vtubers as a side hobby. You're either fully committed or stop caring altogether, no middle ground.

>>27304683
It's never too late to get into this, you'll just have a shit ton of lore to catch up on. Holos are one of the brand versions and, while you're likely to find someone that you enjoy, there's a literal ocean of indies both on YT and twitch, in different languages etc. The most important question you have to ask yourself is are you interested in being part of the community or just enjoy the girls (or guys) at your own leisure

OP here! I'm sorry I almost forgot about replying to my thread, I never thought I would be hooked into watching flare's stream of im on observation duty lol, so far I'm enjoying her reactions! Also I am seeing the occasional English comments in chat but I'm a bit scared of sending my messages! I also noticed that they are sending a kanji everytime something funny happens? I also noticed that japanese people are very rich for donating big sums of money, I don't know about how flare feels about it but I think it's scary if I keep thinking about it.

I will read everything in this thread or in the archive if it ever dies! I think I'll also make a list of all the virtual youtubers that you all recommend, and not recommend? it really is like asking /a/ which anime is the best, its almost the same! I also learned that flare belongs to a generation? it's deeper than I thought. Again thank you everyone! maybe I will make a thread in the future, or not? who knows!

>>27309694
this flare is very hot! like a flare! get it?

>>27311245
>break
It never existed for it to be broken. There has never been a moment in any chuuba stream where the 4th wall was intact.

>>27311537
>Also I am seeing the occasional English comments in chat but I'm a bit scared of sending my messages!
There's nothing to worry about with sending messages in english.
>I also noticed that they are sending a kanji everytime something funny happens?
The kanji being sent is the kanji for grass, because japanese lol is warai and online back in the 90s they started typing www and it looks like grass.
>I also noticed that japanese people are very rich for donating big sums of money, I don't know about how flare feels about it but I think it's scary if I keep thinking about it.
Don't think too much about it, they earn a lot of money but a lot of it is invested right back into creating content.

>>27309123
>I'm kind of scared which to watch now lol.
It's fine, just watch some of everyone. Eventually you'll find someone that you like. Kinda like that old /a/ saying where you don't choose your waifu, your waifu chooses you

>>27311537
The kanji is 草 (Kusa) which is pretty much their lol. English comments are rare but they're welcone, a lot of us just don't wan't to intrude. Most of the donators are very parasocial to the talents which is why you see large sums of money being donated, this is a very parasocial hobby though you can enjoy it without being parasocial. Atleast for the holos and nijis, the vtubers are placed in a generation where they're more or less a group, they're free to collab with others but most of the time the talents within the gens are the closest except for some niche cases like holo jp gen 2. I have sme recommnedations but I'll have to know some preferences first and if you want EN or JP talents

>>27311537
>Flare belongs to a generation
Yes, she's from Hololive JP 3rd generation
Here is the complete roster if you are interested
https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/talents

>>27311537
>sending a kanji everytime something funny happens
So 笑 is the kanji used in the word for laugh and in that word its pronounced as わら which in romaji is "wara" and in Japanese internet slang, because the first english letter in the romanji spelling is 'w', they shortened it to just typing 'w' to say "lol" online. If something is super funny they add more 'w' and string them like 'wwwww'
But if you look at
>wwwwwww
kinda looks like grass. Or at least they decided it does. So they shortened typing lots of 'w' into just saying the word 'grass' in Japanese, which is 'kusa' or くさ, and also then using the kanji for it, which is 草
So basically grass means lol now
grass

>>27312098
I'd also note, this isn't just a vtuber fandom thing, it's a Japanese internet thing in general.

>>27311748
You' right. I'm an idiot

>>27304683
>is it too late to get into these virtual youtubers?
You're about 3 years late. The golden days of Hololive are already long gone.

>>27312098
>take one kanji
>contort it into non-jp word
>contort back into different kanji
>this is slang now
Japanese wordsmithing in a nutshell

>>27312562
Nah. That's just the video game industry in decline.
Lives and concerts are better than they've ever been, especially compared to 3 years ago.

>>27304683
unironically yes. at the beginning it was really fun because the community was hyped. right now the fad is dying and you see doomposting everywhere, even on hugboxes like reddit.

can't recreate those magically months when everything first started

>>27313113
Yes and I haven't enjoyed anime the same now like I did when I was a teen first getting access to shows on demand. Anyone who gets into anime now can't be experiencing the magic I did.
Reality is, things are great just now. Even in areas where you could claim a visible decline, like HoloEn debut compared to now it's quite obvious that majority of english viewers spread out to other vtubers.

>>27311537
>>27308821
>going for Flare
Based. Good /a/non taste as always.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq5uBZjW6ZI

>>27310788
I cant think anything for the cultural expectation but do you really think all idol need literal celibacy contracts anon, they still can do that behind the their fans back because the important thing is people dont know, is not rare to see an idol announcing their marriage not too long after their graduation. And yes streamers and artists still can do that but my point still stand because that was the aspect they promoting for being an idol, they are nobody when they started.

>>27312711
Back then:
>Everyone played whatever they wanted
>Erolive in full effect
>No EN
>No endless shilling streams
>3D was rare and had SOUL
Now:
>Everyone plays fotm shit or a popular retro game. No originality
>No Erolive
>EN
>Endless shilling streams
>Multiple 3D lives every month

>>27316645
I don't know why is EN such a bad thing in the mind of some people. My favorite vtuber is EN and honestly other than them not streaming much they are all pretty inoffensive besides Mori. Literally all the things the doomposters said would happen never happened.

>>27316645
That can still be summarised in the video game industry and the failure of the 9th gen of consoles

>>27304683
Ame is the prime queen of goslingbait https://youtu.be/INNkO4WnBT8