/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

VOD COPERS GET THE ROPE

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

yeah hololive isnt doing so good

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>43,044: Miko (Hololive)
>38,292: Salome (Nijisanji)
>35,700: Todoroki Kyoko
>31,811: Marine (Hololive)
>30,058: Toya (Nijisanji)
>20,979: Suisei (Hololive)
>18,364: Mumei (Hololive)
>16,833: Flare (Hololive)
>16,180: Amamya (Nijisanji)
>15,978: Noel (Hololive)
>15,653: Mio (Hololive)
>14,662: Kobo (Hololive)
>14,016: Koyori (Hololive)
>12,751: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>12,213: Watame (Hololive)
>10,987: Koyori (Hololive)
>10,237: Shu (Nijisanji)

>>27290133

>>27271798 :: Silver
>>27271529 :: Bronze

i wonder if tally anon will give a marker for a raided stream so people didn't take it seriously

>>27290133
>>27271798 #:: Silver
>>27271529 #:: Bronze

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCQSlVYkPhg

Which one is more reliable? VOD or CCV?

An interesting clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCQSlVYkPhg
>talents have to pay for their 3D concerts themselves
So this is why they always sell merch. They need to make their money back somehow.

>>27290220
CCV

Final /news/ roundup for 01-07-2022
>>27246977 #

June Spotify for HoloEN
>>27208843 #

Holocure Data
>>27150306 #

Recent clip numbers
>>27232374
>>27233095
>>27166865
>>27167282
>>27167895

>>27290220
VOD views
ccv is a fucking joke

>>27290220
neither, both are useful

>>27290220
CCV, VODs are inflated and black boxed

Rate it https://youtu.be/tTRqhHYfD3c

the nigger not only posted the niji on the holo sub but he also went and reposted his post from the holo sub on the niji sub
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/vpgkaw/us_phantomos_and_takodachis_arent_so_different/

>>27290346
mogu/10

monthly vod views gold
>2021 - 01 Hololive Official 30,254,223
>2021 - 02 Hololive Official 28,510,366
>2021 - 03 Hololive Official 22,279,385
>2021 - 04 Hololive Official 21,017,626
>2021 - 05 Hololive Official 34,060,220
>2021 - 06 Hololive Official 24,487,473
>2021 - 07 Hololive Official 23,548,857
>2021 - 08 Nijisanji Official 29,720,111
>2021 - 09 Hololive Official 24,456,572
>2021 - 10 Hololive Official 24,729,707
>2021 - 11 Hololive Official 21,942,917
>2021 - 12 Fubuki ch 27,386,424
>2022 - 01 Hololive Official 27,522,116
>2022 - 02 Hololive Official 22,100,013
>2022 - 03 Hololive Official 30,370,249
>2022 - 04 Kuzuha ch 20,928,089
>2022 - 05 Aogiri Highschool ch 31,802,463
>2022 - 06 Salome 32,211,884

>>27290220
VOD, CCV is manipulated af

>>27290276
Damn Kotonoha, what did they do to you?

>>27290351
Fucking shit trying to shift the trend to reimu's shitty back
Or theyre just "hey we're doing it first you know" casual beggar

https://youtu.be/ZYdRZ84Re68

Would this be good or bad for Korosan's numbers?

>>27290443
>Kobo
>20
>No niji EN in sight
M-maybe ccv is better r-right??

JOP loves their numberfagging.
https://myjitsu.jp/enta/archives/106619

>>27290346
Masterpiece

>>27290469
Gas yourself

>>27290133
Hololive starting the month with a victory in hand.
Salami continues to recline with no determined floor.

>>27290503
How pointless. If Reimu spent literal years cultivating an army of dedicated drawfags, had a top tier design, and carefully walked the line to edge her fan base instead of being a Niji, maybe it would work.

Mori concert tickets sold out

CCV is a better metric than VoD views because CCV represents VoD views in real time. If you have 100k CCV then you have at least 100k people watching you at that moment, and if you maintain that for an hour then you have at least 100k Watch Hours.

The majority of people who watch a VoD can't be confirmed to have watched the whole thing, but if you look at CCV you can tell approximately how many people have watched the entire stream. CCV represents a higher engagement level of viewer compared to VoD watchers, who largely are tourists.

CCV represents a higher momentary reach compared to VoD views, for example if you get your viewers to tweet a hashtag you can trend on twitter relatively easily if your CCV is high, but that will never be the case with a VoD. If you advertise something on a livestream you are far more likely to sell that thing, this likely also means higher engagement with adds and sponsorships, so it translates better to shilling merch.

As manipulated as CCV is, on youtube it is largely lower than it actually is across the board, with only peak CCV being falsified because of raids, which means you can simply assume any value you ascribe to a given CCV must be at least that much, if not better. By comparison, VoD views can't be assumed to have a high degree of minimal value, and even their peak value only goes as far as a single CCV viewer who watches the entire stream.

TLDR: CCV > VoD

>>27290469
>the metric that has to go through several hours of "processing" is real tho
next you're gonna tell me to trust nnd's total view counter or something

>>27290346
1view/min

>>27290722
I read the first line and you are already wrong

>>27290540
Neutral

>>27290719
Does JP have ticket scalpers?

>>27289977
June superchats
>>27236137 :: Hololive
>>27236180 :: Nijisanji
>>27236227 :: Indie/Other


>>27226940 :: NijiEN girls

you won't make any friends at the playground if you vod cope like that son

>>27290712
and VOD view cope appear

>>27289839
SOON

>>27290120
6 out of 10 is hololive, how is that not good? even mumei mogging the hell out of kanae

>>27290351
Ew

>>27290991
he's baiting anon, he obviously cut out the top stream because it doesn't help him get yous
but you gave him one

>>27290722
that is a lot of assumptions that have to be made about the VOD viewers. there is no competition between them. they are different metrics tracking different things.
CCV tracks the in the moment yet is inaccurate and only the channel owner sees the real value after the fact
VODs tracks the overall and is visable to all but can be inflated easier

>>27290770
How? It's literally the definition of CCV, concurrent viewers, the number of viewers you have at a given moment. When you are streaming with 10k CCV, you would have 10k VoD views that watched your stream up to a certain time, if your stream is 1 hour long you must have 10k watch hours. That's just fucking math

Meanwhile if you have 100k people who watch 5 minutes of a 15 minute video, you only have ~8k Watch Time. Even if you assume that all people who watch a video watch it for the entire duration, something that cannot be confirmed for VoDs but is statistically uncommon, you would only have ~25k Watch Time

>>27291028
and somehow vods are accurate because you just know

>>27291083
Niji doko?

>>27290351

>>27291086
>Whataboutism
VoDs are probably accurate, and CCV has been proven it isn't. Deal with it, or at least present evidence VoD views are also messed with in the back end.

>>27291083
why do they even have hime

>>27290483
>What ntr do to a bitch

>>27291086
apply the same logic to both, both reveal the real number after processing the only difference is vods are always visable. they are both as real as each other

>>27290781
Yes, but mainly for mega popular (male) idol shows.

>>27291083
Sydsnap doesn't stream enough to get a new model

>>27290443
>Parra
If converts are allowed, then we should put CookieSwirlC in the VOD tally.

fauna maintaining her CCV over 6+ hours is very impressive

>>27291141
>VoDs are probably accurate
so are we adding nnd and b2 to the tally?

>>27291125
Wonder why people still keep posting shit like that knowing they always get deleted. It's definitely a coordinated effort.

>>27291125
BASED

tour
https://twitter.com/Nymo/status/1543066545848401920

>>27290671
So what this chart tells is that the last liver who achieved back to back monthly gold has left the company due to its restrictive management.
No liver can replicate the record since then.

>>27291158
"processing"
sure

>>27291083
Ah, so Kson to Vshoujo is a done deal then? Guess I missed that announcement.

>>27291225
seem 'that' discord channel still active

>>27291251
what is your issue with that word?

>>27291234
Pretty cool idea honestly

>>27291083
Why are their designs blur with one another?

>>27291258
That's melody.

>>27290722
>>27291051
the question was that which one is "reliable" you fucking retarded
ccv can be easily manipulated than vod views and there are tons of evidences to back it up like this one >>27290279

>>27291234
Kinda like holo expo. There should be a concert, too.

>>27291274
you retards literally witness a process that both adds random amounts of views and even deletes them sometimes and you want me to believe that shit is accurate aside from the whole counting as a view for it if you watch only 30 seconds
fuck off

>>27291251
View processing could only be removing views that are flagged as coming from bots. It's impossible for VoD views to be inflated by processing at least

>>27291258
You're mistaking Melody for Kson.

>>27291322
I'm blind, that was an honest mistake.

>>27290351
AHHHHHHHHHH I HATE THOSE FAGS. I wish there was no EN of either side, 2019 was so much better without those faggots

>>27291316
Pink
purple
light blue

everywhere

why is mumei like this? streaming over fauna and forcing her to ragequit

streaming for 8 hours is the equivalent of coming back from a 1 month break

>>27291346
nijifest will better than that

So, is there any reason why theres not many holo and niji nendos? is good smile the one who pick who they want and pay for license?

>>27291366
ah yes, the random amounts added as the process goes on is totally trustable, but ccv? pajeets coded that shit! literally unusable

>>27291403
>forcing her to ragequit
Anon she beat the game...

>>27291234
gunrun i kneel

>>27291410
Fauna is gura disciple
She's going to kill gura soon

>>27291361
what is wrong with you? do you have mental damage, i litterally explained in my previous post that they both have their uses. i'm not saying one is better than the other

>>27291323
Boths are good and count but CCV is the staple metric used /here/ for the sake of race. Simple as

>>27291410
Gura won't even get half those SC numbers for a comeback stream.

>>27291440
now you get it

>>27291440
Yes? What the fuck do you think VoD processing is for, it's literally another type of cull

>>27291453
>i'm not saying one is better than the other
sure

>>27291496
????????
both are useful
both are different
>you are saying one is better
what, you might actually be retarded

>>27291435
>So, is there any reason why theres not many holo and niji nendos?
>not many
>niji yes
>holo not
There are already 20 or so holo got their nendo/figure

>>27291323
I wasn't answering the question directly, I was explaining how CCV is just objectively superior to VoD views in terms of value. Having 10k CCV > having 100k VoD views.

>>27290719
The venue is around 3k capacity right? For someone whose main audience is NA based that’s pretty good

>two retards figthing
this should be the title of the thread :)
me? im pretty smart and not autistic af

>>27291421
True, Nijisanji got scared with how good holofest was, so they had to delay to buy more time to polish their contents. If they don't deliver, then it would be all for naught.

>>27291468
Eh, she always gets more than Ina. I'm honestly shocked Ina got this much considering takos are the biggest jews when it comes to SCs

>>27291532
HOLO GOLD!!!!

>"ccv is literally unusable as a metric, here are reasons why"
>"how do those not apply to vods"
>"actually both are useful, just used for different things"

>>27291532
ok but there's 60 holos. is this because they pick? it doesnt depend on the agencies right

>>27291477
>I don't see how shit the VOD validation code is, therefore it is totally better than CCV!
Same pajeets coded both, I don't see how one is any better than the other.

>>27291578
that's kinda sad. they rather one up the competition instead of dedicating it to their fans

>>27291410
Ina has the worst supers in EN short of Sana

>>27291234
don't they have those telepresence robot for this kind of thing? just strap the rest of the streaming backpack to it

>>27291551
I don't really have a horse in this race, but at the end of a 24 hour period why wouldn't the person with more (vod)views be the objective winner of?
I don't know why you would care if you have more upfront if you lose on the backend straight away.

>>27291551
>objectively
no that's just your fucking opinion

>>27291620
>it doesnt depend on the agencies right
Depend. The agencies could push it to good smiles, could be GS's choice too.

>>27291657
I remember when Sana was an SC powerhouse. Then she fucking disappeared for too long and people started giving her less. Then she disappeared even further and now she doesn't get shit.

>>27290252
So gura paid for her 3d birthday? Thought it's all kanauru doing it for free

>fauna doesn't raid streams that are actually live

she really is like the saint of /#/

I think CCV and VODs are both important
Stop the stupid argument

>>27291435
The question you should be asking is why HoloEN is getting Pop-Up, Figma, Nendo, Omocat clothing, and a PC case while NijiEN only has a nendo of a reclining member.

Why the fuck is Fauna's endurance stream listed as a premiere on Vstats?

I think CCV and VOD should fuck.

Is nijiEN malea creatively stunted that they need to resort to asmr for weekly content other than horror/Minecraft? What they've been doing over the past weeks is min/maxing numbers using buff streams and buff timeslots. Including Luca now, there's 3/5 people doing asmr in Luxiem. I have no qualms of asmr but that's the majority of a gen doing asmr when usually it's one person doing it for a gen. For NijiEN girls, only Millie and rosemi does frequent asmr streams, for HoloEN, past Mori and only fauna does asmr. Luxiem has taken on another level of milking money and I'm getting tired of it.

Funnel.

>>27291225
Shills and beggars do the only thing they know how to do.

>>27291703
GS is the one making so i imagine that final decision is on them

>>27291603
you are confusing me with someone else, i never said ccv was unusable, i'm not the guy sperging out about VODs being more accurate

>>27291692
Because 100k VoD views that only watched 1 minutes of a 2 hour stream should logically lose to a stream that had 10k CCV who watched the whole of a 1 hour stream. This is just basic fucking logic

>>27291781
Just like their CEO. Short term goals.

>>27291645
There's no winning in supporting Nijisanji, hence why Nijisanji viewers develop multiple variants of inferiority complexes.

>>27291781
my favorite is that their retention is so shit because people join and realize that the asmr is shit and fuck off

But yes they ARE creatively bankrupt because their viewers don't fucking show up for game streams and they care too much about numbers to just play what they want to the point that they sneak one in maybe once every two weeks if you're lucky

>>27290770
Then please elaborate

We all know CCV is a joke compare to VODs when an Egypt Cleopatra indie can hit 60k CCV when her VODs views only hit 90k

>>27291376
no, no it is not.
i can only see a fingers length in front of me without my glasses and i could tell who it was

>>27291890
>only for blind person

>>27291622
Ok but one is trying to measure a point in time in real time and is prone to obvious errors (The Z) whereas the other isn't and can correct for those errors.

>>27291701
I fucking explained why it was true you dumbass. CCV evidently watches more of a stream than VoD watchers do. Even in the most optimistic assumption that VoD watchers view the entire stream, which they do not, they still are not actively engaged as an audience with whatever sponsorships/merch shilling/twitter shilling that's happening live.

>>27291448
wrong, she will have kissy sex with gura

>>27291938
your seatbelt only works 90% of the time, so you should stop using it

>>27291532
Including announcements:
24 nendos
9 figma
14 pop ups
3 figures

>Selen tells members that she has so much spare money that her bank is annoying her with calls for her to invest it
https://youtu.be/vsqkXSNpO5I?t=3816

How does VOD views get counted? Does someone have to watch the full stream or just watch a specific percentage of the stream?

VOD views is a shit metric on streams.

>>27291721
she's talking about using the cover studio + staff and other associated costs for 3d stage, assets, etc.
gura, ame and ina have lowres mocap setup at home. they don't have to pay for studio time. ame now has the pro mocap setup so any EN can drop by her studio for something equivalent to the cover studio.
kiara mentioned wanting to have cover do the render but they said no. so that's the only reason she asked kanauru. she originally only wanted to have him do her next orisong mv. also i'm pretty sure kanauru is not doing it all for free.

>>27291995
30seconds then you have to loop it if you wanna count again in the 24hour period

>>27291995
you literally only have to watch uninterrupted for 30 seconds

>>27291995
We don't know. All we can be sure of is that just clicking on a video can be enough for videos shorter than 30 seconds. You definitely do not have to watch the entire span of the video to count, which is why the assumption that VoD views = CCV Watch Hours is stupid.

>>27291781
Has anyone bothered to compare Moris most recent ASMR to Fauna or Voxs in terms of the views it’s getting?

>crypto scams getting 50k+ ccv left and right
>/#/ had a meltdown when they found out that CCV can be botted (11$ millie incident)
>somehow faggots here still glorifying that retarded metric and arguing that it's more reliable than vod views
sasuga /#/ the most retarded thread ever

>>27291980
How is that analogy in any way relevant?

>>27292085
ok b2 shill, you'll soon be asking us to trust your engagement counter

>>27291989
should invest all of her money in gold like Scrooge

>>27291721
Gura had a bigger 3d birthday planned but Cover cockblocked her last minute so they grabbed Kanauru who did a 30 hour day to get something done in time

>>27291989
Streamers with more than 1k CCV are rich, we have known this for a long time

>>27292131
>b2 shill
but I'm against CCV anon

already half a day and this topic still going lol

Isn't it kinda unfair that Omocat keeps approaching HoloEN for merch instead of going for NijiEN? I mean, all of NijiEN are fans of Omori so at least she could show some appreciation.

>>27291721
why the fuck would he do it for free? they pay him like any other comissioned job

>>27291421
Imma screencap this for grudge post in the future
Or to add another nijicope list

>>27291817
Ah yes, once you click on a stream you're forced to watch the whole thing you literally can't stop watching in the middle of the stream yeah for sure

>>27292085
CCV is just more entertaining. I tried to explain this last thread, but nobody wants to admit that's the real reason it is the metric of choice.

>>27292189
Fulgur.
Go approach her if you want merch. Mori approached her and they got what they wanted. It's not hard. If she says no it's because you're shit

CCV horse race is funnier
But VODs is much more reliable
That's it. Case closed

>>27292187
The objective is to burn this topic to the ground >>27290220

>>27292189
You posted this last thread

>>27292134
But seriously is gold investment lucrative? Not really trying to /biz/ over here, but a quick glance at some sites says it's a good idea.

>>27292201
he did myth or treat for free. possibly dreaming chuchu as well but i don't remember anyone mentioning it as free.

>>27292187
it will never end, i have tried my best to reason that both metrics have uses but for some reason people just want to battle like retards

>>27292085
You can at least derive a bit from the audience engagement. Authenticity is not a simple thing to replicate artificially.

>>27292226
it's because it's the metric relevant to streamers you fuck, go to fucking lsf or something and see if they discuss asmongold or xqc's vod or some stupid shit, they don't btw, they discuss ccv records

>>27292075
Then compare it to one of the best.

>>27292218
Dumbass, if you leave a stream in the middle you stop being counted by CCV. If a streamer has 10k CCV for a whole hour then they're getting that many people watching it the entire time

>>27292189
maybe china wasn't their target market

ccv = buying a ticket and going to a concert
vodview = playing the song on spotify

>>27292271
I remember seeing some bullshit rrat on another board(suprisingly, not /pol/) that America lost all the gold it had in its reserve and was unable to pay it back to people who wanted to exchange their currency for it and that's why the gold standard was abandoned, and the government was trying to hit that knowledge.

Make of that what you will

>>27292189
Supporting Nijisanji is a lost cause.
Abandoning Nijisanji is the first step toward enlightenment.

>>27292150
this thread acts like nijien girls are dying, or any streamer below 10k, even without the purposese of this thread

>>27292311
unless you alt tab, or get shadowbanned or stuck in the verification queue ccv isn't infallible. same with vods 30sec views, multi views, "spam" viewer removal. there is no be all and end all
the only thing that is certain is that ccv is best for the horse race

>>27291817
For instance, I guarantee pekora blew gura away in the CCV of this stream, but even though she streamed for 30 minutes longer, gura pulled ahead and even now stayed ahead.
Regardless of how you slice it, you would rather be Gura than Pekora in this instance. It's why trying to say one is objectively always better is silly.

>w-why do Nijisanji EN guys stream only buff c-content?
>i-it's bad for them and their numbers long term, they should try and focus on regular games more

this is the reality, faggots

>>27292280
???
Source on that?
I'm pretty sure he was commisioned for those

>>27292311
Except everybody here masturbates over momentary peaks and even if you calculate averages its going to be affected by inaccurate tracking of the ccv.

So what are today's contenders? Azki's live and?

>>27292271
no. gold has been in a strange valuation since cryptos took over half the goldbugs that used to drive up prices.

>>27292281
they just love heated banter
this video explain CCV and vod view is good and no one watch it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKzOqaI65bU

>>27292476
Duck birthday

>salome unable to put up high number
>But has a good VOD
>Ccv vs vod timeloop
Nijifuckery really coping so hard that they're trying hard to changed the game

>>27292416
>individual vod comparing
stop going to bat for lazy whores, channels behave differently depending on the frequency of streams

>>27292409
No fuck you dumbass. If you have 10k CCV then you have at least that many people watching you, you might have more but there is a fucking floor which is usable information

There is far to much ambiguity in the value of a single VoD view, you can never tell how much any given viewer has watched of a video or if they skipped over the portions of the stream where you shilled merch, so VoD viewers have a vastly lower floor value, and even their highest value is lower than a CCV.

Fucking think for five seconds, would you rather have 100 VoD viewer or 100 CCV? At a 1 to 1 exchange rate, obviously CCV is better, because 10k CCV is at least equivalent to 10k VoD views, but will generally be far greater

>>27292476
AZKi's live isn't on the same day.

>>27292301
Fauna 373k views for 17th of May
Mori 384k views 27th of May
Vox 376k 30th of May(This is the one that caused the Reimu shit I’m pretty sure)
Grabbed entirely for similar dates
Who’s a big ASMR Vtuber with a video around this timeframe?

>>27292554
ok i'm done, i have tried to be resonable offering positives and negatives for both sides but you are just intent to sperg out about one being better than the other

>>27292444
myth or treat one is from one of the ame chat stream. it'll take me a while to find it.
the other ones, people have said he did it for free but i don't think ame or kiara ever mentioned it.

>Pekora doing well
>Gura doing well
>Nijinigs declining
Feeling pretty good right now holobros

>>27292559
Noel Asmr on May 18 i think.

>>27292559
Noel has one for the 18th of May, it's at 1.2M

>>27292189
Plenty of business partners are abandoning Niji. They have too many Yabs of the political kind to be "safe".

>>27292610
There are no such things as equals in this world. Everything is either superior or inferior, there is no comparison between distinct entities or concepts which doesn't inevitably conclude that one is greater than the other

>>27292619
but i hate pego(btw im a chumpedo)

>>27292189
why do they not approach the political virtue signaling livers? it's a mystery for sure

>>27291983
Visualized.
Green is released/pre-orders open and orange is announced.

Wait Fauna had Zero gifted member during the whole ass 6hrs stream? Sapling are fucking based

>>27292394
Sodapoppin is a millionaire and he's like a 10k streamer at best usually. Pekora is probably rolling in so much money she might have been able to buy stock in Anykara

>>27292189
>like, RT and praise holo's Omocat merch
>add "i wish niji EN can collab with Omocat too"
simple, if they denie it, the problem is on niji's streamer too problematic

>>27292619
>Gura doing well
She's only doing well among EN midgets and should not even be put in the same sentence as Pekora.

>>27292780
She had a 50 gifts pack. Where are you tracking this?

>>27292752
yonkisei... gokisei...

>>27292798
Pink Gura

>>27292752
What's the different between pop-up and figure?

>>27292809
Dude, she's objectively preforming better than Sykkuno, who is a streamer Youtube bought for like 30 million dollars

>>27292780
>fucking based
For what?

>>27292798
generic cat girl. is a good choice for a nendo

>>27292794
> be a nijibeggar
Why are you like this?

>>27292610
>>27292715
Or you know, you fags can just not compare CCV with vod views? They serve different way to look at the metrics and arguing that one is superior than the other is just pure stupidity.

https://youtu.be/NLO5-IyS5pE

>>27292809
gura could kill pegora in a 1v1 melee fight

>>27292830
gokisei wasn't even in the fucking sanrio collab, these things must take fucking forever to set up

>>27292818
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
Here. only normal member and SC. No + gifted member.

>>27292857
Who? I don't give a fuck about normalfaggots, this is a vtuber board.

>>27292857
shes around on par with ludwig as well. i know its playboard but i'm not aware of a site which tracks them

>>27292476
a hololive stream will win
who cares

>>27292874
I'd say whomever wants to track Vods can make a VoD tally. There are all kinds of tallys now if they want it so badly they sould just go and do it themselves

>>27292889
Why would a shark fight a rabbit unless pekora decides to swim.

>>27292889
Gura lost to fucking Ina, anon. She's weak as a tissue paper.

Why do some retards still say CCV is better metric than VODs when this happened?

>>27292845
Popup is way less detailed than scale figure. Call it budget figure.

>>27292974
Gold?

>>27292942
but she also won against mori when using her dex
https://youtu.be/3wsiJVzv9vg?t=4587

>>27292896
That one's an anomaly though. That was fucking announced last year in April and it has only now come through.

>>27292874
that is exactly what i've been saying....

>>27292974
views are forever
ccv is for bitches

>>27292909
Nobofy gives a guck about these faggots or how much money Susan wasted on tbem. Whst the fuck is this cope?

>>27292925
This is the solution, if you want to measure vods just do it and they can have their own category, they measure a different form of reach / popularity.

>>27293006
alcohol was clearly a mistake

>>27293006
dude i'm drunk and i want to know how much you've had

>>27292974
retarded argument, do you refuse to go on planes because some of them have fallen before

>>27292898
Someone gifted 50 early-ish. Others also gifted. It's not being tracked then.

>>27293042
Drunk shitposting is never a mistake anon

>>27292752
what's the deal with yonkisei?

>>27292793
>Pekora is probably rolling in so much money
imagine being this delusional
JP ccv doesn't mean shit and it's literally like Venezuela currency for them meanwhile EN streamers who are getting 1/3 of her ccv are fucking millionaires and YT is contracting them up for 30m dollars lmao

>>27292876
This is a completely different topic.

But do you think people in companies like Cover and Anycolor have staff who spend their days looking up shit like this and learning about the algorithm and pouring over the data? They must obviously have better details on their numbers than we do, but do they have people who's job it is to obsess over it like us?

>>27292987
So the prototype they show at AX for Gura is counted as Popup but what about the one at holofes (small one)?

>>27293099
coco graduating probably fucked a lot of things for them

>>27293042
>>27293048
I'm still right, typos are irrelevant.

>mumei karaoke tomorrow
guaranteded en gold provided gura doesn't come back

>>27293058
Worse yet, there's a snake on the plane with Samuel L Jackson

>>27292974
What's her CCV nowadays?

>>27293101
Baffling post

>>27293099
They're prioritizing the older gens first but I'm surprised that Myth basically got to cut in line. I'm guessing GSC/Cover really wanted to get Myth merch out.

>>27293156
no, they are relevant, and i'm multiple drinks in but i am still able to type a coherent sentence

Senchou playing HoloCure today, yeah Salome will slip again.

>>27293102
Y...yes? Anon, this is a major part in their business model, why wouldn't they want someone in charge of being autistic about it?

>>27293051
Link to the source? I want to down load a higher quality image

>niji can’t compete anymore…. Again
>back to holoJP vs HoloEN
>back to Gura vs Peko

>>27293227
What's the target to beat?

>>27293157
>en gold

>>27293106
That one should be a scale figure but we don't have information on who make the figure and the release date.

>>27293101
C O P E

https://twitter.com/nero_angelus/status/1543046927985430530?t=gnFXQ3HZxCkc2eKEktxWXA&s=19

Jesus, even in America, Risu has a rich simp

>>27293236
But they don't seem to effectively implement a lot of the algorithm shit that has been discovered...

>>27293157
There's a decent probability Gura would do a mengen comeback instead of a public one honestly so even if Gura is back to streaming by tomorrow she might still get gold.

>>27292615
Nah, just by reading his comment on the myth or treat video you can tell it was commisioned

>>27293307
there is a chance of that since she now has member gifting enabled so she might still be trying to disable it if she wants to

Can I get a link to the Vstats stuff? It's not on the site linked upthread

>>27293260
43k.

>>27293296
Think it’s guy that activated her $1k streamlabs sound a few times

The reason vshojo can't get sponsorships is because they are not an advertiser friendly brand. And the ones they could get are not allowed to be shown on Twitch or some crypto/NFT scam.

>>27293346
>there is a chance
It's already enabled, it was since at least as early as that unarchived offcollab karaoke. I could see her trying to get it sorted though, though I think she'll end up giving up like the JPs if she does try.

>>27291753
Because they haven't found out about Vox's past life pedo'ic history yet.

Predict on Ollie, Kobo, Matsuri valorant collab?

>>27293317
he should be paid, but could also mean he offered and they agreed to send him the data

>>27293432
only Kobo will pass 10k

Fucking hell, Nijisanji needs a buff game because they can't keep losing to HoloCure.

>>27293224
But can you recite the alphabet backwards? Checkmate, atheist.

>>27293317
yes, ame is the one that asked him to make the mv
it was a comment somewhere else where she said he refused the payment
the other videos he did are likely paid for though

Since people were bringing up the cull again today, I found an old screenshot.

This is the weird shit that people were extremely suspicious of .

>>27293399
Actually, genuine question to any VShoujo fags here if you even fucking exist, do they have / have they had any sponsorships?

>>27293198
>>27293295
what was Cover's last financial report again? less than what Ludwig and sykkuno got from YT? FUCKING KEK IMAGINE THE WHOLE HOLOJP IS LOSING TO A SINGLE ONE EN STREAMER

>>27293432
1-3k for Ollie/Matsuri, Kobo 10k-12k

>>27293467
>Only Ollie's Pov
It's over...

why's nijingger so mad rn?

any chuba play Neon White already?

>>27293524
nijicope

>>27293467
https://twitter.com/kobokanaeru/status/1542010877322203136
she will open the frame

>>27293555
What is the benefit of Kson joining Vshojo?

>>27293413
i meant there's a chance of a member stream first. i know she has member gifting enabled, but based on fauna's recent stream she manage to get gifting disabled

>>27293631
proper merch and 3D live
also Connor collab

>>27293631
None unless they gave her a big chunk of that $11 million

>>27293432
Can Matsuri get more CCV than Ollie?

So, Salome was just a prolonged debut buff case?

>>27293631
>kson saviorfag
they need to be saved

>>27293642
Oh, I uh totally misread that post. I blame the scotch. Also >>27293082 says she got 50 + some more so I don't think she managed to do so. The JPs are even more autistic about it and they haven't managed it until now, though I guess they're also more tech illiterate for the most part.

>>27293717
Not everything that needs saving should be saved.

>>27293509
Looks like a couple gacha and game sponsorships. Everything else seems to be Twitch bounty system.
>>27293698
Kson already does that herself. She even gets her own sponsorships.

>>27293711
>nonbora lost her debut buff after 1 stream

>>27293631
Friends and family. A sense of belonging. The feeling of being a part of something greater than herself.

>>27293711
>Prolonged
It was average debut buff, at least in terms of time

>>27290351
> removed
As expected.
Do you think it'll become annoying enough that they might have to publicly address it?

>>27293631
They can whore themselves together

This thing keeps growing.

>>27293764
Wisdom

>>27293777
so the reason she left Cover is because the lack of whore like her there

>>27293823
How many 1M VODs Gura has now?

>>27293766
>couple gacha and game sponsorships
Yeah, that's what I expected. I honestly can't see them grabbing a big sponsorship in any way, plus I don't think companies here in the west are itching at sponsoring chuubas in the first place, apart from the manga/anime and manga/anime-adjacent ones. Though judging from Anykara's IPO slides I don't think it's too big of a deal if you don't have that many sponsorships.

>>27293823
30 seconds of view time. Worthless

>>27293794
Who is phantomos anyway?

subaru had like a 4k Z

>>27293869
From a cursory glance I counted like 40.

Speaking about kson, today is July 2nd already, where is her le creatividad stuff?

>>27293873
Anykara's slides are manipulated as fuck

Sponsorships are a primary revenue source, even according to their own words

>>27293745
granted, i am basing this off of a single stream but it was one that ran for over 8 hrs without a single gift.
i'll need some proof of an earlier 50+ gift since it wasn't tracked by hololyzer

>>27293700
>None unless they gave her a big chunk of that $11 million
THIS. They need a popular Vtuber to legitimize VShojoJP

>>27293882
Reimu “fans”. Stealth shilling/saviorfaging since she is dead last in her branch.

>>27293794
>nijinig put this effort as daily basis
>new rule banning Nijisanji related get implemented

>>27293947
she's joining vshojojp, that's plenty creativity right there

>>27293869
40 streams and 5 songs

>>27293951
What does "content" in this context even mean?

>>27293051
Oh so because of this vod vs ccv timeloop happen again
Niji really want to win arent they

>>27293951
is this official slide? looks like middle school assignment

>>27293947
Showed her ass on stream and also her friends puss on another. Top tier creativity.

>>27293880
Nah, but you can see that people just replay the songs. Balalaika seems to be the most popular.

>>27291225
They're either retards or they don't care. It can take T-chan a while to remove things since dealing with their bullshit is not their primary job, so they advertise while they can.

>>27294061
investors are stupid so this is the level it needs to be at

>>27293631
Honestly, kson joining vshojo is the biggest betrayal in the Hololive series. Coco left, saying goodbye to her friends to fly to newer lands, whereby she flew west and found another tribe called vshojo who's not only primitive, but barbaric. Her mission then is to help the tribe grow larger with her knowledge. When vshojoJP is announced, EN 3 will follow a few weeks later with the announcement of wave 6 in the same week. It's the new big arc for vtubers.

>>27293963
superchat with IDR always makes me laugh no offense tho

>>27293794
They've addressed it before iirc
Basically the rule of thumb is that the Hololive member has to be actively interacting with the outsider AND it has to be focused on the Hololive member.
It's the difference between "Kiara and Pomu did something funny on twitter!" being acceptable and "Look at what Pomu did!" is not.

>>27293985
Oh that's Reimu? Her dog deserved to die kek

>>27290671
>view/time
stop

>>27293963
Fair enough, I guess I'll wait and see if there's any proof of that.
>>27293951
Well yes, but any way you cut it merch is still by far where the money is at. I know sponsorships are practically free money since all you have to do is shill them on stream for a little or make some other form of content for them but for a 2nd/3rd rate company like vshoujo I don't think it's critical so long as they've got merch sales. Uh... actually, they've got merch sales right?

>>27293963
I stayed at the time of her clearing and there's no gifted member too. Maybe it didn't scrap pre-chat? though for an 8hr stream it's still weird to not have any unless she has that few gachi like Korone.

Prediction for todays gold?
Salome, Subaru, Marine, Azki, mahjong tourney, something else?

>>27294173
Gura

>>27294173
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGqtJYqVgu8

>>27294199
roru

>>27294173
Gura

>>27294157
I'd be surprised if they got many merch sales. None of their "limited edition" merch has ever sold out and a lot of it is cheap shit like acrylic stands.

>>27294173
>marine is gonna stream holocure
>she loves gura
>therefore she's likely to play gura
Gura gold confirmed

>>27294227
China is hardly a good market to delve in. The population would rather buy cheap knockoffs than the official one. Burgers at least can splurge money now for merch with the low shipping fee.

>>27294227
>None of their "limited edition" merch has ever sold out and a lot of it is cheap shit like acrylic stands.
I'm sure they're still doing OK financially but fuck me that's kind of sad. Does it really take a genius to ballpark estimate how much they need to stock to make sure it's just barely not enough?

if gura streams she'll get the best vod so she wins ccv fags

>>27293951
I'm sure Anikara made this slide by having an ESL intern to do it

>>27293102
The way they go about think they don't give a damn ab it at all.

What's the current ccv record in holocure?

>>27294343
Anon it says "Machine Translated by Google" on the top left of the slide "

>>27294116
At least it's not ars

>>27293869
how many JPs is she behind?

>>27294362
pekor 62k

>>27293823
This isn't surprising, 70% of this is basically an archived Gura karaoke. Gura has only 1 other such thing.

>>27294168
yeah, the length of the stream is what makes me think she got them disable

>>27294362
Peko 62k playing as Gura.

>>27294343
it's was MTL
they don't have the funds to pay the translator

>>27294425
Whats the current top 10 ccv?

>>27294426
0

>>27294448
No one wants the shame of being a translator for Anykara. By contrast, Cover has people lining up to translate their shit for free lol

>>27294441
Gura Gold!!!

>>27294425
>>27294441
yeah that was considered Gura gold

>>27293777

>>27294091
I wonder if those people are counted as separate views or as the same view with increasing watch time

More shit we'll never know about the algorithm

Damn chumbuds are desperate for numbers huh.

>>27294362
Pekora with 62K on a uncontested slot with the aid of a 3D live funnel. I don't see Marine beating it.

whats with all the gura falseflagging all of a sudden

>>27294542
Yeah anon, totally chumbuds, just like you're totally real third party observer

>>27294546
VoDCope

>>27294546
ccv vs vod cope ended

Peko has already cleared a stage with Gura, she won't play as her again.

>>27293823
That reminds me, Arm wrestle vod is at 487k and karaoke is at 596k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGqtJYqVgu8
>250 people 6 hours before the stream
numbers prediction?

>>27294546
Trolling the chumbie VODcoper, I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvq9TjloZRY

>>27294451
pekor 62k
pekor 52k
miko 43k
pekor 41k
korone 39k
shuba 36k
suisei 31k
koyori 29k
botan 27k
kronii 26k

>>27294589
35k

>>27293880
If youtube counts it as a view, why is it worthless? It's clearly YT themselves saying "yup this is good for us, +1". I wish the people in this stupid thread used their retarded brains once in a while.

>>27294543
Its not exactly uncontested though there are 5 JPs stream after the 3D.

>>27294584
she wont touch the game again until her own character is out

>>27294645
>Pekora already milked EN 3 times
Jesas, leave something for the EN members themselves

>>27294645
>pekora 41k
When was this?

>>27294645
Miko would have gotten higher if she wasn't so shit at it

>>27294645
Pekora only played twice no?

>>27294690
way too low
she got 31K with wii sports yesterday

Why do Vtubers have such shitty VoD growth anyway? Typically content creators with more than a million subs can reliably hit over a million views on their videos, even ones over an hour long

I thought Hololive had a stranglehold on the algorithm, what gives?

>>27294426
Marine if you count everything (mainly shorts), nobody if you only count stream VODs.

>>27294700
I'm talking about heavy hitters.

FUCKING KEK HOLY SHIT
THIS JUST PROVES HOW WORTHLESS JP CCV ARE

>>27294760
Use your brain
for
20 FUCKING SECONDS

Few people watch entire streams worth of VODS, videos with 2-4 hours of longform streamed content are not popular at all. When we discuss vtuber vods we discuss them against each other.

>>27294760
>I thought Hololive had a stranglehold on the algorithm, what gives?
i get niji shit in my recommends all the time even if i don't watch a single one. probably because of this thread now that i think about it

>>27294760
11 Million subs BTW

>>27294546
>all of a sudden

>>27294451
this is the full list i have, keep in mind some of these happened during overlaps or whatever, just one per member

>>27294645
>pekor 52k
>pekor 41k
You do know these two are from the same stream?

>>27294944
yeah i think that one was the one that went to the next day

>>27294843

Well these baits are kinda stale and the discussions are kinda shit, see you later in the chuba derby faggots.

>>27294956
Yeah

The problem with VOD discussion is that:
1)some retards use it to say it matches CCV or that its better
2)some other retards, even when the first group isn't around, will begin seething uncontrollably and acting like VOD discussion is about that only

I'm so sick of this loop.

>>27294843
cope

Surprising how quickly Mori's yab got sidelined thanks to the girls streaming normally like nothing was wrong (and the kino offcollabs + attention shifting to Ina's back).
This is why it's important to not talk about dramashit on Stream.

sora got hacked https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1543123889911664640

>>27295019
sofa chan....

>>27295019
>TikTok
Wow, literally nothingburger

>>27294694
If the value of a view varies from 'watched 30 seconds, good enough to count' and 'you watched a 1 hour VoD multiple times, you still only count as 1 view' then using Views is just fucking stupid. There's no accounting for their inherent variability

They're also less likely to buy shit, because VoD watchers are lower engagement comparatively, think of how 100k CCV will watch a Vtuber shilling their merch live, that's an Advertisement to 100k people who will sit through the whole thing and are more likely to buy it because they're already more invested in the content.

If you ask those people to Tweet you can hit #1 on Twitter. If you tell them to go watch someone else's stream you don't even need to raid, they'll funnel in. If you do a membership stream afterwards, you'll have a massive boost in memberships, because people who watch live are also more likely to member to you. They're likewise more likely to superchat.

Live watchers represent high viewer retention, high watch time, massive amounts of algorithm push. They're just better than VoD watchers for the most part.

>>27295019
>TikTok account

>>27295019
>TikTok

>>27294968
>>27294989
go cry along with your oshi's literally inflated ccv HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>27295019
Her password was probably Nun-Nun.

>>27295015
Gura's member stream after that also helps to calm the chumbuds.

>>27295092
>inflated
lmaooooo, just watched that gura shit for 30 seconds right now and gave it a view

>>27294091
I like that feature a lot, I'm surprised people start/rewind to Kiara and not Guras solo song.

>>27295015
because anyone with a brain knew gura went to sleep and mori did her stream and then either talked with her sister or also went to bed

>>27295015
The holo girls have been trained to not exacerbate anything negative coming from social media or even outright ignoring it and that is the proper way of handling it, if it becomes bigger than it should be then having a well thought out neutral "corporate" response is the way to go.
Though being a menhera doesn't help.

I only use the metric that suits my narrative in that specific situation.

>>27295019
glad that account is in management hand, not on her phone

>>27295125
you do know that i can do that too to your oshi's vods right? your argument is fucking pathetic

>>27295190
based

>>27295015
I mean part of it was just
>Mori being retarded, yet again
I don't think anybody, even the shitposters, unironically thought it was malicious so it was going to die down anyways after people told her off for it in the comments. I don't think it helped her in terms of the number of people who don't like her but that's not anything new.

>>27294843
Didn't lap+ get this CCV? which one is correct?