/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>43,044: Miko (Hololive)
>38,292: Salome (Nijisanji)
>35,700: Todoroki Kyoko
>31,811: Marine (Hololive)
>30,058: Toya (Nijisanji)
>20,979: Suisei (Hololive)
>18,364: Mumei (Hololive)
>16,833: Flare (Hololive)
>16,180: Amamya (Nijisanji)
>15,978: Noel (Hololive)
>15,653: Mio (Hololive)
>14,662: Kobo (Hololive)
>14,016: Koyori (Hololive)
>12,751: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>12,213: Watame (Hololive)
>10,987: Koyori (Hololive)
>10,237: Shu (Nijisanji)

>>27280052
What convention for English Vtubers to attend is bigger than fucking AX? It's literally the ~14th in the world including video game and comic book conventions.

And we know Nijisanji's presence at Comiket, the actual biggest con period, has also been reduced. Where could they possibly be going then?

Damn, look at that natural incline.

>>27280698
Raid?

>>27280662
>>27271798 :: Silver
>>27271529 :: Bronze

>>27280698
Pretty hilarious timing on the raid. Pomu was literally saying that she was ending the stream when the raid came in lol
And now that is her highest peak in like two months..

>>27280734
From Uki's karaoke I assume.

>6.3k peak
>down to 2.7k even though it's not ending yet
wtf happened?

>>27280734
Yeah the only possible source is Uki's karaoke thing. None of his audience would care about Pomu thus the rapid drop.

>>27280734
Uki's karaoke.
Elira also got a raid from one of the other girls.

Motion to have any stream that gets a raid or Z marked with an asterisk on the tally, just to show it's not natural? Each additional raid or Z for a stream gets another asterisk

I'm not saying to disqualify raids or Z streams or anything, just saying to mark them so it's clearly visible their peaks are artificial.

>>27280800
About 400 people from Rosemi.

>>27280589

Final /news/ roundup for 01-07-2022
>>27246977

June Spotify for HoloEN
>>27208843

Holocure Data
>>27150306

Recent clip numbers
>>27232374
>>27233095
>>27166865
>>27167282
>>27167895

>>27280866
Z doesn't matter unless it's the peak. Other than that I don't disagree with the idea. Maybe an (*) for a raid and an actual (Z) for a Z.

I was promised cripple gold and instead I get reclining numbers compared to his previous karaoke. Explain this shit.

Hello! Divegrass anon here, roster poll is well under way!
You can suggest new players too, I'll add it as soon as possible.

What do we need?
>Kit design ideas
>Team Motto
>Who is the (fictitious) owner of the /#/ Divegrass Team?

Poll
https://forms.gle/SzYMgpfQt4HdAu3C8
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>>27280997
They were either botting or fujos managed to be the most fickle audience ever

>>27280866
An * would be nice for raids

>>27281033
no go kill yourself

Fauna is gonna recruit fallenshadow for EN3.

>>27280772
“Niji Family” that their audience likes to brag about

>>27281092
You won't see me post again for a while after the 24 hours are done. You can make it, anon

>>27281109
Too much baggage and mental instability. Not gonna happen.

>>27281109
>Cover gives her a recolored Rushia as her avatar
How kino would it be?

>>27281109
>EN Rushia

>>27281156
Just out of curiosity which threads were more receptive to your fantasy soccer thing?

>>27281109
Bae is going to recruit Moon Jelly

>>27280772
natural inclinig doesn't ensure you retain the views

>>27280772
doing well in july so far

1k -> 1.8k
1.4k -> 6.2k

average
1.2k -> 4k

>>27281109
Yeah just like Gura was gonna recruit Bella Delphine

>>27281239
This is the very first time I consult a thread to make a team. I just think it sucks to not see /#/ represented in the kino board event that is the /vt/ League.

The response so far has been pretty good despite the occasional contrarian edgelord

>>27281287
wow...pomu inclining.......

>>27280662
Hey man salame keks.

>>27280959
how does it work? why are the buttocks exposed?

>>27281109
shadowchama said she already turned down scouting from the only group she would consider way back in Feb

>>27281347
Holobronies would rather watch a girl they cant understand than their own brethren. Kinda sad how brainwashed they are. How much of a tribalfag could you be.

>>27281347
Holo ID is stronger than niji en now.

>>27281421
>please whatch nijiEN
no

>>27281409
bitch was bluffing and shes a compulsive liar

>open niji stream
>CHECK yourself before you SHREK yourself
>close niji stream

>>27281109
>hire EN rushia
lol no

>open Holo stream
>ching chong nip nong
>close holo stream

>>27281421

REMINDER

Can anyone compare NijiEN raids vs HoloEN funnels? The funnel from Ina to Fauna lasted quite a lot longer than Uki to Pomu's raid.

>>27281605
Pomu was finished with her stream. She was just doing post stream chatting. Literally the dumbest possible time to raid a stream

>>27281501
>>27281542
>open /#/
>saw 2 retard
>close my eyes and sighing

>>27280692
Riku is big enough to make their own conventions that gather millions fans around Beijing

>>27281682
The power of chinkjibugji..

>>27281659
The raids are company-mandated, no matter where the stream is at, NijiEN has to raid no matter what.

>>27281762
If that were the case there has to be many NijiEN chuubas that get punished each week because there are many streams that doesnt end in a raid..

>>27281421
Thats like... every nijicn

>>27280698
Shit like this is why peak medians for NijiEN is a useless metric.

>>27280698
It's hilarious that they raid each other like this. I bet the YT algo looks at that and thinks users really aren't interested since they dump out immediately and alters their recommendations.

I wonder how funnels affect churn. If the rate of churn stays the same is the amount of people joining the stream increasing to allow the continued incline or are views from funnels more likely to stay for long periods of time?

>>27281807
Sounds a lot like nijisanji to do that, so I believe it

>>27280997
You can't expect the same numbers from buff content if you keep on milking it.

Any anime expo stuff? Picture, announcement or something? How was it?

>>27281845
Just add (*) for every single raided stream to indicate boosting

>>27278880
It's vod views divided by stream length grouped and ranked into stream length in number of hours. Of which the placement are then averaged creating a ranking of the most 'high performance' streamers. Yes, it's retarded numbers witchcraft that is somehow still maintained by one schizoid anon.The only nice thing I could say about this 'metric' is at least its based on clear and easy to gather publicly available data (vod views, and stream length) which makes it easy to go back and process them retrospectively

>>27280698
POMU MADE THE WHEELCHAIR TALLY I KNEEL

>>27281859
I hope so, that short retention will affect the channel

>>27281932
A new epidemic has broken out from the crowd, expect lockdowns and quarantines for another two years

>>27281109
fallenshadow will NEVER be part of hololive

>>27281938
Not every raid is the same. Pomu has never had a raid this big. There is a difference between a 300-400 viewer raid or a like a 5k raid like this

>>27281682
I can see the crowd at Nijifest, but from the booth owners not from the visitors

>>27281932
HoloEN has Omocat merch, PC case, Nendroid, Pop-Up Parade figures and Figma toys.
NijiEN has a single nendo.

>>27281953
so it's another watched hours

>>27282024
Good decision, the inclusive NijiEN family will welcome her

>>27281953
That just sounds like average watch hours per stream.

>>27282204
too many males for her unless she plays a wildly different character

Kobo has been slowly integrating her audience into the Hololive box with collabs. This is going to be interesting since Hololive will gain another massive wave of viewers.

This is actually my prediction for Pomu's Numbers this month. She is going to have less buffgames, get lower Numbers across the board, but get "better" raids so her Numbers seem basically unaffected on the median.
Like last month she was super buffed in all her game series she is playing but she never really got massive raids, no one as big as this, most of them where only a few hundred maybe 1k sometimes.
This month she will instead get shit numbers on her series as all her buffed streams have ended but will get lucky with raids

>>27282102

>>27282298
no

>>27280662
Miko's side boob and armpits are too fucking erotic. She has one of the most lewd designs and it's underrated as hell lewd factor.

holoEN management
>nooo gura you can't have schoolgirl outfit and daki or else the world will crusade us!!!!
meanwhile holoJP..

>>27282454
shouldnt have been american

>>27282102
Lol vshojo blow their load to soon. Hololive got the press talking once again.

>>27282454
JP love lolis

>>27282318
Ok who gives a shit? Fuck off faggot

>>27282454
I remember that time Marine said Shion raped her in the sleepover and it got really awkward

>>27280698
>Fucking Karaoke raid with absolute garbage retention
The absolute state.
This is why anyone who tries to argue inclines with peaks for NijiEN is a fucking shitposting faggot.

>>27282102
Makes sense that one nendo has attention, its the only thing they can offer rumao

>>27282454
revenge sex?

>>27282454
who knew the japanese and americans had different sensibilities

>>27280866
Mark raided streams (like, actual mid-stream raids, not waiting room redirects) with a * like what's done for the twitch tally yea.

why fauna always
>Uuuuuuuuuuuu

>>27282454
Rape time.

>>27282664
Miko is not in this collab.

>>27282454
Did they actually have sex or was it all just a big joke

Posting this because I think it's the best combination of most available metrics to measure a chuuba's popularity

>>27282454
It’s the fact that they have to take off certain countries from their ship to locations. Gura seemed firm she wanted the cute and funny daki lets she if she can convince them JP and US markets is all they need for the merch.

>>27282454
Can't wait for marine aftermath manga.

>>27282454
who's getting raped this time

>>27282504
They gotta spend that marketing money somehow I guess. They’re having a car giveaway at their booth apparently.

>>27282454
I want Shion seggs. I bet she will drag shark to the hotel once she visits jp

>>27282633
>like, actual mid-stream raids, not waiting room redirects
Why wouldnt you count waiting room raids?
And also why the fuck would you raid a waiting room lmao? How fucking low can NijiEN drop?

>>27282711
Shion and Marine ALMOST had sex, Shion backed out like a coward and tried to pretend it didn't happen and Marine was salty as hell

>>27282688
last time Shion try to rape Marine

>>27282724
Shion better suck her nipple this time

>>27282355
What's that?

>550k in 9 days for a clip
holobros and nijisis?

>>27282720
>the cope chart in which fubuki didn't win december 21'
sure bud

>>27282711
shion just fondled marine's boobs while she was asleep (but actually still awake)

>>27282711
Marine and Shion are both straight, it was just a story to rile up the cumbrains.

>>27282749
Vshoujo are so fucking bad at marketing holy shit. I just don't understand what they're thinking

How far away is she from beating this

>>27282761
it's just Marine slow to respond in that heated time, and Shion back off, leaving both of time horny until morning

>>27282749
Who is giving away a car?

>>27282830
Probably about 2 more hours

>>27281932
Vshoujo thread has a bunch of pictures from their booth, beyond that I haven't seen anything specific.

>>27282791
No thanks

>>27282842
Dunno, I noticed in one of the pictures of their booth next to the itashas they have a sign talking about a giveaway for a car.

>>27282753
I don't think they're doing it to fuck up your cripple gold tally

>the coping chumkek sperg is back
holy shit

>>27282298
Kobo's audience really only speaks Indo so there's a limit.

Hololive has 2 contenders for gold, what is Nijisanji offering today?

>>27282791
Vshojokeks?

>>27282720
you are a falseflagger

>>27282791
Even I clicked on it a few days back. I love whores, sorry.

>>27282791
>little slut pussy
VS
>...

>>27282957
It's the opposite actually, Kobo viewers know about Hololive and will at least watch big events from Hololive. They cannot stay out of the box forever.

https://youtu.be/y3Ed1eCwuOA

>>27282711
Shion was an impressionable teen and groped Marine in bed after she made jokes about it on stream. She regretted it the morning after and tried to pretend she didn't remember anything which made Marine strangely unhappy considering she should've been feeling a bit awkward over kayfabing a 19 year old girl into fondling her IRL.

>>27282957
Why do you think Kobo's audience will not check out other Holos when Gura manages to shill her viewers to Hololive?

>>27283027
>Pekora cooking has same views as girl whoring out her vagina

How many views would a clip of Peko talking about her Pekunny get? 1.2 mil?

>>27282842
>>27282891
That's senpaisquad that is doing this. I dont think vshojo has any involvement in the giveway they are just promoting the girls with the itashas

>>27282102
Sucks. I just built a new PC like a fucking month ago. If I would have known there was going to be a badass looking Bae case I would have waited another month.

>>27283118
last year she with Watame and Nene

Thank you Z for giving Koyori her 10k.

>>27282720
>Hololives popularity spike coincides exactly with when I starter watching them
Huh, I wonder what happened back in spring 2020 that put Hololive over Niji.

>>27282439
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUV-mawUcAATa2r.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUazWYFagAAbbdz.jpg

>>27283184
Hi Bubble Grunge how are you

Going back a month these threads were seething because of Salome's numbers that were making the daily tally "boring" and were throwing accusations of bots and view farming. People were really annoyed about their daily "rally" getting messed with.

So, now a month later, we are back to "normalcy", every day is a Hololive gold with zero chance for Nijisanji to compete. But those complaints are nowhere to be seen.

It was never about the "rally" being boring, was it?

Back to business as usual, then, I guess...

Did theGunRun blow his $11M worth of investment money in his backpack business and not Vshojo?

>>27283220
COVID, viral clips, EOP friendly chuubas. That’s been talked about to death. Did you start with the Matsuri bandaid clip by any chance?

>>27283097
That remains to be seen. Most of Gura's audiance doesn't know the rest of Hololive exists or at least functions like it doesn't. If just watching other EN is a large barrier for them nevermind JP I don't see it being much different for Kobo.

>>27283307
Whine more nijikek your tears never fail to sustain me

time for holocure to die now

>>27283220
Coco getting big and Miko clips with algorithm luck.

>>27282720
>Activ8 from 2016 to 2018
>Nijisanji from 2018 to 2020
>Hololive from 2020 to 2022
Now it gonna be Nijisanji again from 2022 to 2024 again

>>27283205
So a good trade?

>>27282720
>General interest in kobo higher than all but top 3 of niji JP

rumao

>>27282720
>view/time
lmao you're back

>>27283307
/#/ is a Hololive centric thread despite the claims of neutrality. It's the same as the vsinger through which claims neutrality but hates anything Hololive. Maybe you should hang out there.

>>27283307
>zero chance for Nijisanji to compete
Holokeks false flaging again.
Nice try.

>>27283338
I mean, if Kobo keeps introducing new Holo members to her ID audience, this means some of them will become genuine Holo fans. Remember that ID people accept anime as the norm more than NA people.

>>27282454
blame it on canada and australia. they made those illegal

>>27283125
Shion is probably at least 20 though

>>27283307
Go back to R*ddit.

>>27283392
putting blue into the color palette is always good

>>27283209
probably the only 10k this is gonna get, ff looking like kiwami or dqm so far, and it's gonna be like 8 streams

>>27283478
This happened 2 years ago and Shion only just reached legal drinking age which is 21. Do the math.

>>27283307
Niji can still compete, I bet they 6-8 golds this month. Salome can still win on a slow day with just a basic stream. Winning with fake botted 90k streams for 3 straight weeks isn't interesting though no matter how you look at it.

>>27283390
Good luck with that.

>>27282753
I mean you can, but the thing is waiting room raids don't result in people that have no intention of sticking around affecting the numbers (and thus the spike).
Also there's no reasonable way to TRACK a raided waiting room, whereas a raid mid-stream is easy to mark since it's obvious from the massive influx of viewers that it was a raid.

>>27283307
the natural order

>>27283478
she just finished high school last year

>>27283400
Higher than everyone in HoloEN but Gura kek

>>27282720
I'm sure someday people won't laugh at you.

>>27283529
>>27283632
>Shion finished highschool at the age of 20
rrat?

>>27283338
I checked Zeta's donation reading stream. Apparently Kobo's audience has a big presence there, even Gura's audience, so I guess both of them do funnel viewers to other member.

>>27283317
I can't even remember man

Why doesn't Irys promote her songs?

https://youtu.be/pj9yqqTYa-E

This is a great song but I hadn't heard anything about it til I saw it here. It feels like Irys is just in a mentality where she releases stuff and crosses her fingers and hopes it goes viral on its own.

>>27283679
She's a dumb motherfucker.

>>27283510
Thank you, she can now get it naturally.

>>27283125
Marine is actually still in her twenties too desu

>>27283704
just like INNK Azki

>>27283538
really doubt it
even on the days without a birthday or anniversary there's still going to be buff content

>>27283679
Held back a year. Why do you think she's depressed?

>>27282720
>Posting this because I think it's the best combination of most available metrics to measure a chuuba's popularity
>gura/peko > salome
>marine 5 streams = 4th place
>aqua 2 streams = 5th place
>ayame 3 streams = 7th place
>nekota > kuzuha/toya
>shigure ui 3 streams = 20th place

>>27283679
High-school dropout initially, iirc.

>>27283704
This song sucks man

>>27283307
>zero chance
salome can put up a strong showing if she just streams she got silver with 38k a number most standard holo streams never reach. if a good Apex season hits Kuzuha can also compete pretty well

>>27283704
She has on Twitter, but she's currently waiting for her MV before shilling again.

>>27283738
Not anymore. She's 30 this year. She's 10 years older than Shion which makes the whole scenario very strange.

>>27283780
she not dropout, she just hold year, 2 actually

>>27283456
I just figure it'll be pretty low. After EN launched the English in JP chats went from 20~50% down to usually being around 2~5%. Her viewers are really chatty at least, so we'll be able to see if they pop up somewhere in vrabi.

>>27283704
I don't understand why they release them before the MV is done. Kills the hype. Just wait another week or two or whatever, there's no hurry.

>>27283704
I pisses me off that she choose to shit her internet dose cover over her till the end of me original. And in regard to this song, it’s supposed to have an MV but management never waits, she will probably shill that.

>>27283849
Christ, yea that makes more sense.
Shion....you dumb brat.....
It'd certainly go a long way to explain, well, a lot of things.

>>27283823
I'll never forgive Shion.

>>27283704
Irys has no influence over anything to do with her music, she just sings it. Why would she have anything to do with it's promotion? She might not even know it released.

>>27283684
The data is skewed. Zeta's audiences are only, let's say 10k, then it's normal for her 50℅ of audiences to overlap.
But Kobo's audiences are, say 50k, which means 45k of them do not funnel.

>>27283778
It isn't a be all end all number but it does capture general interest, for example Aqua's Start End streams basically funneled in Apex Tourists + most of niji/holo into just her streams giving her number 1 in april.

>>27283763
I didn't realize Mumei also had her birthday in the month. What a fucking mess.

>>27283704
That song is legitimately really good and IRyS sounds divine singing it. If the MV got debuted properly IRyS might have her first big hit on her hand since Here Comes Hope. Hopefully the MV doesn't take too much of a hit due to the topic version getting released first.

i remember the whole arc when shion's roommate had a life crisis and salty why ADO can be popular even though they are almost the same age

>>27281557
kek

>>27282109
>>27282239
It's the inverse of that, but a similar principle.

I think both metrics are kinda retarded since they require extra steps to work out, but they have their own logic that sort of make sense in their own bubble.

>>27283444
why is views/time hated so much but ccv*time is liked? aren't they just metrics measuring different things

>>27283849
Damn, I'd be fucking depressed if I get held back for a year.

>>27284014
Irys could've been the EN Suisei but EN management is complete dogshit and Irys doesn't have the drive to just do everything herself the way Suisei does.

>>27284108
She is EN Azki

All this shit talk about girls being menhera.

All the need is my dick to cure it all.

>>27284084
if you just look at the text formatting of the replies its 2-3 angry people replying twice either nijishitters or that one en vs jp autist.

>>27283849
wait, so its true that cover hire underage before gen 3??

>>27284122
Why is Nijis piece bigger

>>27284084
Because this is the horseracing thread. Numbers which aren't peak CCV are seen as worthless because they're not horseracing numbers, despite the fact that realistically CCV is a completely retarded metric on multiple levels, including the fact that Youtube doesn't even display it accurately

>>27284000
Then what's the best way? Using Kobo's stream to check the overlap? Like yesterday's GTA?

>>27284258
Because they have more talents that stream longer. It's a watch time pie chart.

>>27284258
That chart is based on hours watched

>>27283763
>This month
Shows a picture of next month

>>27284236
No shit dumb, both Haato and Shion were 17 when they were hired, this is like one of the oldest Hololive fun facts. It's not that crazy, some idol groups and music labels sign 17 and even 16 year olds sometimes. JUNNA from Walkure was 17 when she was hired.

>>27284084
Because views/time is vodcope made up by a chumbud to try and make Gura look better. Does any other statistics site use views/time? No, most of them use hours watched, or just the raw numbers.

>>27284236
Haachama and Shion were both underage IIRC. Sora too when she started, supposedly.

>>27284316
>>27284295
So Nijisanji has a bigger fanbase than Hololive, got it.

>>27284258
More than twice as many streams. See >>27283581

In terms of averages they're utterly mogged, they just stream more

>>27284258
nijis outnumber hololive by like 4-1

>>27284258
130 streamers including EN but not the Chinese branch.

>>27284367
>Sora too when she started
believing what that yuujin A said

>>27284272
If CCV is wrong then so are vod views so VOD cope doesn't save you from having to trust the data youtube provides.

monthly vod views gold
>2021 - 01 Hololive Official 30,254,223
>2021 - 02 Hololive Official 28,510,366
>2021 - 03 Hololive Official 22,279,385
>2021 - 04 Hololive Official 21,017,626
>2021 - 05 Hololive Official 34,060,220
>2021 - 06 Hololive Official 24,487,473
>2021 - 07 Hololive Official 23,548,857
>2021 - 08 Nijisanji Official 29,720,111
>2021 - 09 Hololive Official 24,456,572
>2021 - 10 Hololive Official 24,729,707
>2021 - 11 Hololive Official 21,942,917
>2021 - 12 Fubuki ch 27,386,424
>2022 - 01 Hololive Official 27,522,116
>2022 - 02 Hololive Official 22,100,013
>2022 - 03 Hololive Official 30,370,249
>2022 - 04 Kuzuha ch 20,928,089
>2022 - 05 Aogiri Highschool ch 31,802,463
>2022 - 06 Salome 32,211,884

>>27284374
Yeah
And that make them lose 5 months and tie 1 month.

>>27283456
What makes you think that they will watch the other Holos speaking other languages? They're most likely to watch other ID vtubers speaking ID instead of EN or JP speaking vchuuba.

>>27284424
VOD cope bros we won

>>27284351
Baffling post, no one outside /here/ gives a single fuck about peak CCV.

>>27284418
Retarded, VoD views are proven to be more accurate than CCV

>>27284346
17 year old is a minor in Canada

>>27284472
good thing we are not in cucknada now are we?

>>27284472
Good thing Japan isn't in Canada

>>27283763
Niji have koshien no?

>>27284418
>VOD cope
Why are VODs cope? VODs are just views gained on a video right, what's wrong with that

>>27284258
Hours watched Anon, and by that metric with so many Holomem out for the month of June (either partly or completely) it's unsurprising Niji will beat them in that metric this month.

>>27284514
CCV is just concurrent viewers right, whats wrong with that?

>>27284367
Sora is a VA, she meant to be like Kizuna AI, VA that hired to do a gig, before Yagoo shift his plan

>>27284514
Because it's not CCV. Anything other than the fake shitpost number /#/ worships is rejected out of hand because it's not as useful for shitposting.

>>27284571
This is the internet, anything not for shitposting is not useful.

>no statistic site uses vods
The site where all these horse races takes place only cares about vod views and likes tho

Slow day huh?

>>27280772
NijiEN should be disqualified to any peak viewers ranking, fucking disgusting

>>27284514
Because they're streamers and streamers are always judged based on the live audience they can get. The usual copes go "But they're vtubers! youtubers!" which is debunked by the fact it's just a term coined by Kizuna AI before streaming became the meta, and of course even the ones on Twitch are still "vtubers" so arguing the semantics of the term doesn't work.

Ultimately vtubers are streamers and streamers want a big live audience. It's that simple. Any views they get after the fact are secondary to their primary concern of developing a large audience to watch live.

>>27284666
if they didn't, they'd just have a total views counter like nnd or b2

>>27284454
Why are you afraid of ID viewers watching Holo? The more viewers tuning into the Holobox, the better dumbass.

Peace

>>27284682
in what perspective? interesting drama or discussion?

>>27284280
That's not the best way either. We don't know how many of the overlaps are from the old HoloID fans and how many are from the newer fans, which we are trying to identify.

I think the best way is to wait a few more months while looking at the rest of the Holo ID numbers. If there is a slight incline every month then we can conclude that new viewers are funneling in. Then we can do the same with the non-ID Holomems.

>>27284666
>There are no vtubers on Twitch
huh

Mumei starting Overwatch 2 shortly, Fauna bouta deflate 9k for a few hours isnt that bad.

>>27284549
Nothing, what does that have to do with VODs CCv is fine also

>>27284714
l a m y s l o t

>>27284549
>The fact that YouTube themselves ahve said it's an approximation at best
>That between the 2020 cull that fucked over everyone's CCV in some unknown way to this day
>That the 2021 CCVID fiasco showed that there are systems in place that affect individual groups of users via ML that can affect CCV
>That YouTube is a VIDEO VIEWING SITE first and keeping track of views is something that they're old-hat at, but CCV fuckery means they've been constantly attempting to tweak that shit
>poll fuckery between different audiences throw ANOTHER wrench into the madness
Just accept that we horse-race with it, but as a proper metric CCV is right fucked in many ways.

VODs are just too awkward to compare. Everyone streams at different times and then you have to give them time to process. What'd you end up doing is having a "race" of streams from 2 days ago that no one gives a fuck about anything. It would be like discussing stats from a sports game from 2 days ago while those same teams are currently playing an actual game.

>>27284717
Both, board speed seems to be in the dumps a little too considering it's a friday night

>>27284703
Baffling post. Literally no one gives a shit about CCV, it's a completely fucking worthless metric. Stop being stupid, CCV has not impact on any Vtuber's success, Views and Watch Time actually contribute to monetary gain. Even SCs are better numbers than fucking CCV, streamers who aren't retarded couldn't give less of a fuck about the size of their live audience

Fauna is in 5 hours run,
last time i saw Mr Koro play the same game, she need over 12 hours

>>27284777
>because it got bugged 2 times it means we can't use it ever wah wah
fuck off

Why are you guys arguing over useless metrics? Just enjoy the streams.

>>27284836
numbers thread, piss off

>>27284714
Wait is Millie actually making pagpag?

>>27284703
This is the most retarded argument i've ever heard considering vtuber was majority pre-recorded content until only a few years ago. It doesn't matter what metric you use its just more attention= popularity can be measured many ways. CCV is just cuck cope vanity

>>27284836
wrong thread my man

>>27284812
Last Samurai schizo you've been ripping your hair out over this for over a year now. Isn't it time to just admit they do care about CCV more than VOD views and that Gura simply isn't that popular compared to the JPs?

>>27284802
>VODs are just too awkward to compare
Sure I can understand that, it makes sense since CCV is a much easier to disget metric. Doesn't mean VODs = Cope, it is just another discussion point

>>27284812
>CCV has not impact on any Vtuber's success
literally just absurdly wrong, jesus christ, most tourists are fucking band wagoners that get attracted by the big number, it affects your success a million percent, jesus christ this thread is retarded

>>27284682
They are all in anime expo right now.
That means holokeks and vhsojofags are all drama fags and only we niji fans behaving civilized.

>>27284911
aren't you guys involved in a gender war right now?

>>27284834
I never said we can't use it you absolute tard, we do because /#/ is too full of shitposters otherwise and all the sites track it.
Just accept that the shit is right-fucked in many ways and will probably get fucked even more in the future as Youtube continues it's 'updates'.

Can we numberfag con attendance as well? Some Holo fans on discord said that there might have been 2000-3000 people visiting the Holo booth.

>>27284891
the issue is that vods tend to only get brought up whenever someone is losing in the CCV race, and that gives certain people an annurism

>>27284777
>The fact that YouTube themselves ahve said it's an approximation at best
So are VOD views retard. No advantage.

>That between the 2020 cull that fucked over everyone's CCV in some unknown way to this day
Affected VOD views too

>That the 2021 CCVID fiasco showed that there are systems in place that affect individual groups of users via ML that can affect CCV
Affects VOD views too

>That YouTube is a VIDEO VIEWING SITE first
This is really bad if you want to put vtubers against regular Youtube content creators because most content creators get many times their subscribers in views. Holos don't, in fact they get less than half of their subcount on almost all their videos. The reason for this is fairly obvious, they're streamers and most people won't watch streams after they've ended.

>median gold = salome win
>vod views gold = salome win
>watchtime gold = kuzuha win

>>27284952
the fact that not only you're basing this entirely on suspicions but also won't apply it to every other aspect is doubly retarded, next you'll say some stupid shit like "obviously they actually care about vods so you can be sure it's right" giving them the benefit of the doubt then after calling them incompetent clowns
fuck off

>>27284934
>"we nijifans"
NTA but yes we are in an all out gender war right now and it's completely justified. Do not let women come anywhere your fanbase when the EN boys arrive, Holobros

>>27284894
Yes, and you are the clearest example of that retardation. CCV doesn't have any monetary impact, Sponsors care about total views and so does ad impressions, Youtube Premium pays out for Watch Time, CCV is a magic number which fluctuates wildly and has no relevance to actual numbers which matter

The fact that you believe this thread has ANY value, that your daily horseraces aren't a complete waste of fucking time, is proof you are a fucking irredeemable fool. The only people here who have above 90 IQ are the ones who realize this entire general is nothing but a joke

>>27284987
>losing in the CCV race
So basically it boils down to hate for Gura since she always loses in the CCV race. So any discussion of her VODs is seen as cope regardless of intention

>>27284894
Thats a notorious chumbud who samefags every single thread against CCV because he just can't deal with the fact Gura is reclining. Ignore him.

Retard.
Absolutely fucking retarded newfaggotry of the highest order.
On multiple fronts.
Why are you shitposting in /#/?

>>27285065
HOW DO YOU GET MORE PEOPLE TO WATCH YOU YOU DENSE FUCK

Moona confirmed ID branch is fucking poor

>>27285101
Fucking stream longer hours, you absolute retard. Kill yourself, you are a disgrace

Ina's Project Sekai stream KPI is determined by views count, they need 150k view
but from this Kare Meshi sponsorship , 50K live view already fulfill the KPI
https://youtu.be/JKzOqaI65bU

>>27284987
>whenever someone is losing in the CCV race
That "someone" is a constant

New yab in catalog

>>27284891
It's the way people use VODs, typically just cherry picking one and comparing it to another so they can say "this streamer is better than the other one" absent any other context. You'd need to put a lot of work into making VODs a useful comparison method. That would mean tracking individual VOD totals for streamers throughout the week or month, and not being lazy and just using aggregate totals many of which are just residual views on old MVs. Even then, it doesn't really tell you much. One person streamed 3 times another streamed 8. The both have the same CCV range. The person with 8 wins. Ok cool, how interesting.

memeshark ded subs lmao

what is today gold /#/ bros?

>>27285232
Probably Salami

>>27285162
it's even fucking worse when one that gets less per vod but streams way more ends up with more total views, you know, they thing they keep pointing to as to the most important thing because money, and then they come up with random benchmarks of how much the vod "should actually have" and if the individual vods don't hit that number it means they lose
it's fucking retarded, i hate vodfags

>>27285232
Currently salome with 43k. Might get challenge by Marine/Shion or Subaru.

>>27285065
>Gura is losing
>That means all your numbers suck! This thread is retarded Gura is the bestest ever!
Fuck I hate chumfaggots.

>>27285142
1,7 million view on CM also counted, VOD view still important

>>27285029
Cull doesn't effect VOD views. The steep Dec. 2020 cut CCV by 25-33% overnight and didn't make a notable dent in VOD totals.

>>27285232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAWjHQH_5AE

>>27285232
Subarus birthday stream is an easy 50k. She might even get 40k on her Tales stream.

>>27284885
I'm ripping my fucking hair out because you fucking retards are still using CCV despite it being proven again and again and AGAIN that it is WORTHLESS

You people are endlessly frustrating in your stupidity. Stop caring about CCV.

>>27285270
I also hate how they correlate ccv to vod. Like that shit is literally inconsistent.

>>27285319
i'm sorry that your chuuba is losing
fuck off

>>27285270
Nonsensical arguments about VODs, fair that's vodcope and I've seen it pop up.
Just talking about VODs though nowadays gets a vodcope thrown at it thanks to all the shitposting though, and it's just tiring to even try and have numbers discussion when all the shitposters are in /#/ instead of the catalogue.

>>27285162
Well they pick the sucessful ones obviously because they are the interesting ones to discuss and just like CCV you try and compare it other streams. Anyway looking at some of these responses I have got my answer, VODs and views/time are hated because Gura has a chance to do well at them

>>27285319
CCV is the only metric worthwhile for live streamers. Everything else is irrelevant.

>>27285270
You hate VoD-fags because they're smarter than you.

>vod vs ccv timeloop
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why does VSPO stream on both Twitch and YT?

>>27285460
I hate this one.

is timelooping the new deflection meta?

>>27285296
Also, CCVID, one of the defining features was that the views were completely inconsistent to the likes+views, which was one of the things people noted as being rather odd before the graphs started getting GIGA-fucked.
My own favorite reason that I saw (That I may have even pushed with the caveat of "Wait and see if Youtube did something retarded AGAIN")
>People are just leaving likes and coming back later to watch because they're busy with holidays
Which was very contrary to what had happened the year prior.

>>27285345
It's all they have anon. If they didn't have that cope and made shit up about how high vods views mean X was culled by 80% they'd have to admit the ENs just aren't that popular and they can't do that.

>>27285142
>no sight of 2434
Sad

>>27283660
These Nijiniggers need to work on their comebacks.

>>27285319
Go to nasfaq retard.
>>27285374
Vod/time is hated because its a stats for members that don't stream a lot. Basically ratiocope.

>>27285469
neoporte also do that

>>27285381
why do you care about vods, because you care about the total amount of views? because it's the thing youtube pays you for? ok then, then why the fuck does how much an individual vod get matter then, explain that to me
if a chuuba gets a 500K vod and streams just 1 time that month and another streams 20 times and gets 100k on each, then why the fuck should i care or rank the first one if we're caring about total views

this is literally just cope for lazy streamers

'VoDcope' is objectively correct and anyone who argues against it are retards who refuse to admit that the premise of this thread is a joke

Your horseracing will never matter.

>>27285492
Their karaoke only reached 15k, gotta derail somehow

mumei approaching 5000 while Faunas only lost about 500-600 viewers since Mumei started

>>27285149
>yab
Which one this time?

>>27285270
My favorite one is how they push so hard for vtubers to not be considered streamers but just regular content creators then get assblasted when you start measuring how much content they output because clearly it's not fair to judge a content creator on their overall views because my favorite vtubers are lazy and get BTFO on that too.

They really have no shame. Posting directly to the holo subreddit now.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/vpgh02/us_takodachis_and_phantomos_arent_so_different/

>>27285232
A Hololive stream, it could be an event or a random stream judging from the last week.

It's going to be the case for all 31 months of July, anon.

Stop asking that pointless question.

>>27285596
Down voted it

>>27285550
Baffling post

People who upload more VoDs get more total views from them. Arguably, it disproportionately favors people who stream more often

>>27285596
god i hate these people

>>27285550
>this is literally just cope for lazy streamers
Now you're getting it.

>>27284703
Is this the most retarded post in the thread?

They're entertainers first and foremost. How they get the attention is largely inconsequential to their goal: to be famous or make money from entertaining people. You should have been clued in on how they really view this industry when they got pissy over people questioning their retarded scheduling of many of the events during the HoloEN off-collab.

You pretend that CCV is the only relevant metric because it's the only thing that you can use to shitpost, because you can't get that fix from VOD views (that are by the way, fairly unreliable on YouTube) since those numbers only ever go up and hardly ever go down.

>>27285505
their sponsorship not trough YouTube Advertisers

>>27285596
Report that shit man, those Niji beggars have no fucking shame. Ina's back went viral and now they're latching onto it.

Selen 2k on twitch!

>>27280692
Niji dont have fans in NA, also they dont even has merch creative enough to sell

Mori concert tickets sold out already

>>27285460
>vs
that's the problem, why does it have to be vs. the instant defense mechanism of if you are talking about vods you must be trying to usurp ccv. both are relevant imo

>>27285232
Doesn't matter, Hololive is going to 20-10 Nijisanji for the umpteenth time. They had Salome and they barely fucking tied. Unless something changes its going to be Hololive > Nijisanji > VSPO for the foreseeable future.

>>27285651
then why all the push to care about totals on individual vods then
what's the fucking point

>>27285596

>>27285596
It will not stay up for long.

>>27285727
CCV is not relevant. I don't even care if you people use VoD views or Watch Time or anything else, I just hate the fact that you people seem convinced CCV matters when it doesn't. You need to stop pretending like this thread has value

>>27285667
>You pretend that CCV is the only relevant metric
Because they're streamers and the point of streaming is to get people watching live. I hope Hololive swaps to Twitch one day so your copes are finally destroyed once and for all.

>>27285788
if you hate this thread that much, you can fuck off then, nothing more retarded than spending time in places you hate, brain rotted behavior

>>27285793
Retarded

>>27285667
How do you judge vtubers who don't use Youtube as their streaming platform then? Isn't your metric platform specific?

>>27283538
>>27283451
>>27283794
Yes, anons, I am sure the daily race is much more interesting now.

Nijisanji will, for sure, win some days in July. An event maybe?

O-Oh... Yes, Salome was really the death of these threads. I am happy that we are back to this exciting race!

>>27285492
deflect from what, there's nothing happening right now.
Is there?

>>27285788
>Watch Time
we don't have access to that data

>>27285596
>manipulated content

>>27285680
> not mainstream enough
Got it

>>27280698
What a motherfucking retention is that...

>>27285849
No, because I am here to try and convince more of you people to see the light and abandon this place too. I'll only fuck off when all that's left are shitposters because the people who could be saved all gave up their numberfagging ways

>>27285596
Reported and downboated

>>27285596

>>27285884
no you dumbass that send the report to the reddit admins, you want the "Break hololive's rules" ones to send it to the local mods

>>27285892
still, when niji en will accept Raycon and Nord VPN sponsorship...

>>27285724
>ISRAEL
Good job mori

>>27285856
Depends on the platform. Twitch is strictly viewers. Bilibili is magic numbers. NND has normal VODs I think?

>>27285596
Can't find it sorting by new.
Already removed based T-chan kek.

>>27285724
Shocking nobody

>>27286004
Ike's concert will sell more than that.

>>27285863
If Miko hadn't streamed Niji would have got gold and silver.

>>27282355

>>27285863
>one of the strongest holos playing a buff game barely wins
ogey

is this another en vs jp timeloop?

>>27286123
What is this stat though?

>>27285596
t-chan should ban these faggots

8800->8200 Fauna
6200 for Mumei
so about 10% of Faunas audience was just Mumei waiting room not that bad honestly.

>>27286099
Ogey

>>27285863
nigger yesterday was one of the closest races we had, get your persecution complex out of your fucking ass

>>27285793
Man, I thought you had some kind of point, but you're just some Amazon/Twitch shill that's been forever butt blasted over Hololive being popular and not some Twitch affiliated entity.

>>27285856
Literally you can't judge them all the same way. YouTube doesn't outright show you the true number of individual users watching while Twitch will count anything that so much as glances in their direction (and let's not get into whatever it is NND and bilibili do). You have to first familiarize yourself with how things are done in each platform and then process that information separately from each other. One of the reasons I don't like how "analyst" groups like Stream Hatchet handle this is because they don't even bother to explain this to their audience.

>>27283316
He pocketed it, anon.

>>27286211
Or they just got bored of 6 and a half hours of Kirby.

>>27286211
With how gradual the decline is, I think it's more that new viewers are choosing to split between moom and fauna and she isn't replenishing fast enough.

>>27286189
You can't have a serious discussion about numbers in this thread because it's too fixated on CCV. As soon as you bring up the problems with CCV and explain why it doesn't matter as a metric, these people crawl out of the woodwork and try to deflect it with EN vs JP, every single time

I've been called Last Samurai and a Cumkek for the same fucking posts in just this thread, because these retards refuse to understand that CCV just doesn't fucking matter

>>27280662
Nijibro.. our last defense..

>>27286191
from this apparently
https://myfigurecollection.net/item/1585608

>>27286255
>YouTube doesn't outright show you the true number of individual users watching

>>27286232
>35k 3d debut
Wat hapen?

>>27286071
i think it hides automatically if you reported it. check your hidden

>>27286376
>he doesn't know

>>27286255
Stream Hatchet is advertising their own data with those charts to get people to try and buy their data.
It is an advertising exercise first and foremost, and the fact they not only fucked up pekora's numbers multiple times, but refused to elaborate/correct it means their numbers should not be taken as authoritative in any way.

>>27286376
>true number

>>27286420
It does hide it.

>>27286411
low tier niji 3d debut, why are you surprised?

>>27286421
>We can't trust youtubes CCV numbers! They're rigged because my oshi does bad on them
>The VOD numbers are correct! Because my oshi does good on them
This is your brain in the 3rd world

>>27285760
Because it's not CCV, so the numbers are more accurate and have more relevance in a real world context. Any analyst who works professionally will not touch CCV with a ten foot poll, they use Views. Any sponsor wants to know how many views they can get for their Ad.

>>27286421
>>27286477
tinfoil hat tier arguments

>>27286493
Wasnt last week 100k?

>>27286504
>>27286477
Are you guys newfags or what?

>>27286504
They're fucking rigged because we have proof they're fucking rigged you dumb nigger.

>>27286509
CCV prior to youtube mucking around with it in late 2020 was fine for sponsorships, but given what happened with Noel....
Cover probably refuses to use that metric for sponsored content nowadays.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ImperialHal/status/1543069799630127104

Ceo of apex is just like us.

>>27286509
>SEAnigger pretending he knows what marketing analysts consider good metrics
Fucking hell my sides. Go back to picking bananas Muhammad

>>27286232
today they botted her to miko numbers to not make it seems sus

>>27286300
There are daily horce race and monthly horce race, total VOD growth is not a problem for monthly comparison, but it will end up like watch hours where this thread kinda despise, or people argue about the views are mixed with shorts, songs, extreme long stream vods etc.

tl:dr, context matters for each metric, but who needs context

>>27286493
They used to have low tier debuts who had 70k ccv dont you remember?

>>27286566
It's either some twitchfags shitting up the thread, our regular shitposters starting YET ANOTHER CCV VS VOD VS REAL CCV timeloop bullshit, or I dunno. I'm just enjoying Fauna rn, even as she's suffering.

>>27286376
>true number

>>27284960
Do we even have a way to track that? It's easy for concerts since the venues have a fixed attendance target.

Okay anon, should I save for the HoloEN Popo-Up Parade or HoloEN Figma? Which one is better?

>>27286660
Whichever looks great

>>27286602
police your persecution complex

Viewfarm views?
Viewfarm views.

>>27286587
imagine if they know youtube botting numbers

I am sorry, but there is ZERO factual evidence that culling is real yet you faggots discuss it like its an established fact with researched data and written statements.

>>27286108
>>27286232
Such a close race... I wonder who's going to win gold today.

And tomorrow.

And all the other 29 days of the month.

>>27286750
>>27286629
botted ccv? botted ccv

>>27286659
Do we? No, not unless some enterprising individual did some quick and dirty headcounts (Approx # of people in a chunk and how many chunk present in the line to save counting individual heads)
Do the Con staff and Cover? Yes, absolutely.

>>27282570

>>27286777
Everyone lost 20-50% of their viewers mid stream in 2020, seriously how new are you

>>27286777
oke this is clearly newfags

>>27286777

>>27286191
The first poster was this
https://myfigurecollection.net/item/1585608
My response was this
https://myfigurecollection.net/item/1243237

>>27286777
everyone in /#/ even the shitposter is actually watch stream and not a clip, so i trust them

hey /#/ bros, see this

>>27286861
Yea.
Imagine seeing what happened at the start of the year and saying the culling isn't real.
The graphs of nikes, the absolutely hilarious discrepancy between views and CCV (for the same channel, for the same content, just a difference of a week or two with NO reasons for massive loss in CCV) and then Hal coming out and showing the difference between public CCV and what Youtube 'corrected' it to 48 fucking hours after the stream...

>>27286777
If viewers disable adblock then all of EN will double thier CCV.

FACTS

Shouldn't NijiEN be more worried now that HoloEN could do 3D without having to go to Japan and Ame's basement all the time? Ina's 3D looked actually pretty good.

>>27286857
Because people were going back to work, loss interest in vtubing, etc. You understand that correlation does not equal causation? All we know for sure is that vtubing viewership dropped. That's it. Now, if 10-20 streams in the same timeframe all suddenly were cut in half, then there might be some evidence there.

Anons selectively forgeting about what happened to jp on january 2022 huh.

The problem with views is that you're comparing videos with completely different audiences. Suddenly Cocos gradutation which had the highest CCV for a vtuber stream ever becomes middling when you compare it to the 10 million views Suisei gets on most of her songs. It means you need to start adding more restrictions until you return back to "Only live streams VODs" which is stupid because what distinguishes a live stream is that it's aimed towards a live audience, hence why stream VODs don't do as well as uploaded clips or shorts. If you're going to create a completely different class of Youtube video just to compare views why not use what separates them all from other Youtube content, their live audience?

>>27286940
you seem confused 2021 isn't the cull, the cull happened in 2020. 2021 is a seperate issue to do with random shadowbans on users and slow verification