/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2721214
better than kiara, ina and watson, thats for sure. idk if she can beat calli tho, i didnt watch enough of her jp content to have any good opinion.

>>2721967
I was thinking Haachama would probably be second behind Gura, and slightly ahead of Calli. That she would be at about 1.5 million by now.

>>2721214
Gotta remember a lot of the momentum for her growth is the gap between the years of old content and the slow slide into insanity, if she was fresh into it the lol so randum content would have pushed a lot of new viewers off

>>2721214
She can barely speak English. And don't give me the one clip you guys always do and claim she can actually speak English perfectly fine and is just pretending to be retarded because she's not dumb enough not to realise that speaking English well would be a huge boost to her career

>>2722439
haachama's retarded english is cute though
Kiara & Ame's retarded english isnt cute

>>2722388
I’m just wondering what number of subscribers she would have compared to the others. I’m also wondering if when EN Gen2 comes out, if it will lower or increase the growth of EN Gen1. Whether it steals views from them, or brings new viewers.

>>2722463
>haachama's retarded english is cute though
This^. If she spoke it perfectly it would be less cute.

>>2722507
She'd get a boost from the cute ESL but I don't think Enma would have let her do the lewd reviews and ecchi thumbnails so she'd have lagged maybe 150k behind Ame

>>2722546
>but I don't think Enma would have let her do the lewd reviews
Yeah, Enma is likely an obstacle preventing anyone like Haachama from even joining EN. The problem is that could make Gen2 a bit boring. We shall see I suppose.

Chammers in a strange spot where she knows enough English to be intelligible and cute but not enough to maintain comedic impact.

>>2724295
She has such incredible appeal as an EN streamer. I have watched all 53 of her English streams at least 3 times. The first time I saw her was when I was watching all of Ame’s streams in order. I immediately took a detour and watched every Haachama English stream before finishing the Ame playlist. She is my absolute favorite and the only JP streamer I watch live, with translations. Since December 2020 I have watched all 53 of her English streams at least 3 times and watched every Live with translations from then on. She replaced Gura as my favorite, and completely ruined my sleeping schedule. I have been sleeping every other day because she streams early morning in my time zone. I am tier 3 VIP Haaton even though I do not like ASMR. I only know her as Chuunichama EN, but her design and voice are absolutely perfect. If they didn’t stop her English Domination she would probably be second after Gura in subs. Before her first hiatus she had the same VOD numbers as Gura, and her sub count literally doubled after she starting her English streams. They really screwed up by hindering her progress. Her English streams are precious, and I don’t know why they wouldn't want some one with that kind of appeal to succeed.

>>2724849
She would absolutely steal their thunder. Upper management would not like that

>>2724849
That's uplifting to hear. The speculation surrounding the matter is worn out. Chinese antis have been busy with Coco. I have somewhat of an idea what approach they could take to attack Chammers but don't want to elaborate on it. JPbros had it rough when Chammers marathoned EN streams and seemingly ingnored them. I don't have any ill will toward them and wouldn't want them to fall by the wayside. English is the language of choice for international appeal, though.

>>2724295
you know she's faking her english skill when she streams right? her english vocabulary and pronunciation is way better than what she lets on,

Unfortunately with her genius and raw talent came the inevitable throwback that put her in the situation she is now.
So her potential is hard to calculate. Power is nothing without control.
Why is my oshi?!?!?
I really desire to know her and, don't know, maybe just cook for her and listen to whatever she said during a chilling dinner. No romance whatsoever.

>>2725145
This angle is getting old. You didn't even post the short Red-kun video. Get some new material.

>>2724931
Based entirely on her EN content she was the perfect streamer, all of her risqué stuff was done for the JP audience. The lewd reviews and the entire schizo arc. I wish they just let her mature, she was destined for greatness and somehow knew exactly how to appeal to the EN audience. There was no degeneracy in her EN streams, she was just fun and entertaining. The most divisive content was always done to appeal to the old degenerates. If they truly liked her and her content, I wish they would’ve just let her evolve instead of being so afraid of change. As Haachama EN she was way more seiso than Haato JP so I don’t know why they insisted that Haachama killed Haato. If anything she just matured and kept being a “degenerate” for the JP audience that was too attached to Haato’s “insane content”. Her English audience only knew Chuunichama and she was the perfect streamer.

>>2721214
>>2724849
Id say its still pretty high. Her english isnt the highest but I can also personally attest to her single handedly getting me into Hololive. I only saw a couple clips here and there but Haachama's EN streams were the first long form Hololive content I consumed. Like her EN Animal Crossing streams.

>>2725383
I wish I could have seen those, the earliest EN stream I have seen is Nov 13th 2019 Ringfit. Are there any sources for her complete EN content? I only have seen the 53 streams I can find, I also have them download as well.

>>2725369
Haachama's R-18 content was also reliant on her spoken reactions. While presenting lewd artwork or reciting a lewd line, she would feign ignorance or contrive some just justification for why the content wasn't actually lewd. This meant she had to speak in Japanese or the jokes would be lost/watered down. I disagree that the R-18 was targeted toward older fans. Those fans had already become attached to a character from an era where she was not nearly as daring with her content.

>>2725534
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>>2725369
I'd also add that if JPbros could understand English Haachama, they would likely have nothing to complain about.

>>2725756
That makes sense, it sounds like the risqué stuff was more of a rebellious phase. Not necessarily the entirety of her content or appeal.
>Haato JP = tsundere
>Haachama JP = degenerate
>Haachama EN = seiso

>>2725135
That's some sexy shaking.

Bro's, I just want her back. She IS coming back, right?

>>2725790
Just use mega like a normal human

>>2726305
https://youtu.be/t_xaFN9WCc0

>>2726344
>She IS coming back, right?
Probably in HoloEN Gen2

>Muh potential
So this is the next evolution of the "Muh creativity" circlejerk

>Never gonna give you up.
https://youtu.be/VjoXSCDb-9g
Finally found some Chuunichama stickers this morning.

>>2725790
Could anyone please tell me how much HDD space I'd need for this?

>>2728473
It’s over 800gb

>>2728545
Thanks.
I'll have to clear my /po/ folder.

>>2728346
>buying unlicensed goods from fucks who simply print out stolen artwork
Thanks for for supporting cancer asshole.

>>2731481
If I could buy them officially I definitely would, but it’s literally the only way to buy these. Cover needs to realize the lost earnings potential and start selling these officially. They could then get all these people shut down for violating their copyright. There is no reason Cover don’t sell these designs on stickers, magnets, and clothing. Ive already bought acrylic stands of the holos I support, but they don’t make a Chuunichama yet.

>>2731481
If I could buy them officially I definitely would, but it’s literally the only way to buy these. Cover needs to realize the lost earnings potential and start selling these officially. They could then get all these people shut down for violating their copyright. There is no reason Cover doesn’t sell these designs on stickers, magnets, and clothing. Ive already bought acrylic stands of the holos I support, but they don’t make a Chuunichama yet. I paid more for these unofficial stickers than I did for an official acrylic stand so it’s nothing a price issue. Cover take my money please.

>>2731481
They should just have an official account on these sites and let them do the rest for them. All they need to do is upload an image and collect the profits.

>>2721214
In all seriousness, her ESL would be a huge problem. As is we all get that she's one of the Japanese talents and her English content is just a bonus. If she was marketed as an English Vtuber there would be a lot of bitching about her English being shit. Like imagine all of the Kiara threads we get and multiply that by 2.

There'd still be a market for her, but I think she'd only have 500k subscribers by now tops.

>>2733041
>bitching about her English being shit.
But the fact that it is not perfect, is the reason everyone thinks it’s cute. If anything, it’s a bonus. You cannot compare her to Kiara as well, because people dislike Kiara for reasons unrelated to this discussion.
>she'd only have 500k subscribers by now tops.
But her EN streams are more entertaining than watching Ina and Kiara... so...

>>2724849
I wish I could disagree with you, you absolutely insane Haaton, but I'm exactly the fucking same. We're all Haachamachamaaaaaa

>>2736741
Do you have the saurce of this pic anonchama?

>>2724849
Behold the autism of EOP faggots.

>>2740355
>English sucks!
He says in English, because he will never be Japanese.

>>2738811
https://twitter.com/eFreezerArts/status/1377859035421143041?s=20
he's also doing more Hades characters

>>2724849
Based haachama autist

>>2721214
she's literally just soft retired on us lmao

>>2726685
>that spin at 00:25 where her skirt flies up and her panties are clearly visible

UUUUUOOOOOOOOO I'M COOOOOOOOOOOOOOMING

>>2732895
I think they're busy getting gen 5 and ID gen 2 stuff sorted, how many holos have official merch for alt costumes?

>>2743573
>welcome back haachama

So is Haachama actually retiring now or what? Does anyone know what's happening? Any update since that "I'm a schizo so no stream, sayonara" tweet?

>>2750755
Nah, don't think we're going to get any news until Kanata's concert

>>2721214
In all honesty? The lowest, and I say that as someone that likes her. Her ESL is too strong for her to gain that much popularity off of EN alone, she's better off as a JP focused streamer.

>>2751030
After starting her EN Training Arc in August 2020, she went from 500k to 1M subscribers. Returning to Japan and starting the schizo arc is seemingly the only thing that slowed her momentum. In spite of this she has gained 20k subs without streaming. Miss you always Chama.

>>2752559
That was while also continuing to do jp streams, anon. If she were in EN she'd probably not be trying as hard to appeal to both sides, and her EN growth specifically will always be nerfed by her inability to speak the language very well within this timeframe. I would be shocked if she even managed to surpass Kiara in a universe where she debuted along with the other ENs, especially without being an established holo.
I mean if you're asking "what if Haato were already established as she is now, but she was transferred over to EN to fill in a space", then I'd say that she'd probably have Ame tier numbers, consider the two were fairly even for a while before Haato got fucked by management (which I don't think would be as likely to happen if she was in EN).

>>2752871
Having only watched EN Chama she replaced Gura as my favorite. I started by watching all of Gura’s streams, then Ame’s streams because of her collabs with Gura, and thats how I was introduced to Haachama. I am essentially the stereotype of EN fans, and Haachama is the best one. I have memberships for Haachama, Gura, Ina, Ame, and Mori. Haachama is the only one I have tier 3 for. Haachama is the only one I have given Superchats to. I started watching Gura because of her past life, around November. So as the stereotypical EN audience member I can attest that Haachama has mass appeal, her English isn’t a bug it’s a feature. She is perfect.

>>2753328
Take your pills, anon.

>That's why I'm here, Ms. Haato. I have recommended your services to my... employers, and they have authorized me to offer you a job. They agree with me that you have
>limitlesssss potennntiallll.

>>2753328
Behold the retardation of the average EOP viewer, the pinnacle of cancer.

her potential is to become the ultimate chuuba, just wait for her comeback arc

>>2752871
>her EN growth specifically will always be nerfed
If all she did was EN in Gen2, she would improve over time. I mean that’s how you improve.
>>2753328
>I am essentially the stereotype of EN fans, and Haachama is the best one.
I think people greatly underestimate her appeal.

>>2757472
I agree. It's always darkest before the dawn.

>>2757472

>Final Fantasy final boss.jpg

She's not coming back so get over it, in 2 years people will remember your oshi the same way they do Hitomi Chris

>>2725999
>bottom right
I wonder when

I think the whole haachama vs haato thing got into her head a bit too hard

>>2722240
I was thinking the same

>>2725135
So this is the power of a horny asian girl in an anglo country, huh...

>>2725999
I miss Holo EN Gen 0 Haachama so much. She was like an adorable chipmunk.

She's cringe. 100%. The whole schizo arc she has been building has no end and has always come off as her not being satisfied with just being a vtuber, she needs to be some weird unique character with all this retarded lore and vague autism posting on social media. It's clear she's let genuinely mentally unhealthy and needs help, and at the end of the day continuing this vtuber career for her might be a tumor she has to remove.

>>2721214
She would have been ame but better, and with a better accent too

>>2782266
The schizo arc was most likely to appeal to the old guard who didn’t like the recent Haachama content. It also started after she went back to Japan. It was seemingly a metaphor for her identity crisis being played out in real time, as a response to “Haachama killed Haato” crowd. She evolved and they just refused to accept it. I wish she never looked back and kept moving ahead.

>>2782266
The schizo arc was most likely to appeal to the old guard who didn’t like the recent Haachama content. It also started after she went back to Japan. It was seemingly a metaphor for her identity crisis being played out in real time, as a response to the “Haachama killed Haato” crowd. She evolved and they just refused to accept it. I wish she never looked back and kept moving ahead.

>>2782266
>I don’t like unique characters in hololive.
Then don’t watch her? She’s still popular regardless, partly because she’s different.

Has anyone else kind of tapered off from watching livestreams?
Not completely, I still tune in to the others I follow here and there when they're playing Rise, but I feel like I'm in a Haachama waiting room.
Gimme the news doc, is she gonna make it?

>>2788421
>Gimme the news doc, is she gonna make it?
I think she’s dead. My guess is that she will either reincarnate within HoloEN Gen2, or be gone forever.

>>2788421
It’s hard to care about much without her. It’s like going through the motions, but it just reminds me of her absence. She is irreplaceable.

https://youtu.be/hJVRekj81dE?t=2058
@ 34:19-35:11
Who's the madman who watches this fat fuck?

>>2788983
Apparently you do, that’s why you are advertising it. No one cares.

>>2791696
Calm down I'm not trying to advertise twitch shit, only thought to share because of how he responded to it

Haachama is not a genius, she only found one gimmick that worked way better than she expected and rode on it until she was driven into a corner. Now she's stumped for new content and can't even go back to making the content she used to make because of all of the weird layers she piled up on top of her character.

>>2788983
I didn't put that in his chat but I saw it live and I couldn't believe it

>>2792411
>just because she made something work doesn’t mean she is smart.
It doesn’t mean she is stupid either.

>>2792411
she's already started the time travel gimmick, she could go back whenever she wants. People are treating it like a continuation of the schizo arc but we'll probably never know what this month's story actually was

>>2793994
I never said she was. I always admired the amount of work and creativity Haachama puts into her content, but I think she was shortsighted with the direction she was taking her channel.

>>2794608
But Haachama did very well. The only problem is that EN Gen1 attracts some of the audience she was trying to reach for herself, and that Enma didn’t want her around EN anymore because she may outshine a few of them, and thereby steal some of those viewers. Enma probably didn’t think Haachama was kid friendly enough either.

>>2796968
>Enma
Anonchama... i have news for you... it was Jenma all along.