/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Myth is the starting cast
>None of Myth has touched the game yet
???

>>27195382
>None of the Myth
???

>>27195382
You know they have been on the road for the past week right?

>>27195615
and?

Should I read about the unlocks and collabs or should I just paly the game and find out? Is it worth it?

>>27195382
I hope nobody plays it backseaters and people like you are annoying

is there a list of which skills/weapons/collabs scale with haste?

>>27195987
Must be miserable being such a petty bitch all the time.

>>27195933
I'd say give it a shot blind, and then read about unlocks once you get stuck.

>>27196160
1. all of them
2. see first one

>>27196224
I guess I misunderstood what >>27184686 meant

>>27195382
everyone will tell you its because of their off collab but we all know damn well maybe one of them at most would have touched it if at all.

>>27196279
every passive that activates every X seconds scales with haste by shortening the cooldown

REINE DID IT

>>27194241
Depends on character and build, but I feel like it's usually BL.

>>27196160
Everything except Spider Cooking and BL Fujoshi

imagine being a lucklet

>>27196446
LET'S FUCKING UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>27195318
>ignore gacha and just farm coins to max out the coin bonus stat
>finally maxed, take 6k to the gacha
>roll every single council in succession with no dupes
>one more roll for irys, onegai jesas
>get another council
I was so fucking close to completely bodying the system.

>>27196577
Seeing all the anons farming coins makes me glad I just exploited the holozon box glitch in the initial version. Max ranked all the girls right away.

>>27196773
makes me glad I just cheated in coins

If there's one thing I'm grateful for, it's that my oshi Sora is part of Gen 0 and it won't be long until I get to play as her. The next update will come with the Gamers and Gen 0 holos.

>>27197811
How do you know he's dropping two?

>>27198032
Did you not see the unlock screen?
>Gamers
>JP Gen 0

>>27198032
He did say he wanted the next update to be "impactful" and that it will be more than a month until we get it. Gamers sprites are already done and ingame, since you can see them in the gacha page, so theres a high chance that he can get both Gamers and Gen 0 at the same time.

>>27198111
>calli's talent is called "workaholic"
that implies other girls aren't workaholics? because they aren't moaning "ya boy is so BUSY guh" every stream?
Just rename it to something else, like "Swingin' till the sunrise"

>>27198702
its just a reference to one of her songs bro

>>27198731
No it's not.

I'm not dying. Do I still get the coins if I quit? If not, how am I going to kill myself?

>>27198761
ok anon whatever you say youre the boss

>>27196406
Both Ame and Gura have already talked about playing the game.

>>27198795
You don't actually get the coins when you quit.

>>27198840
How am I going to die now?

>>27198795
Stop grabbing health upgrades and wait until Yagoo scales and one-hits you

>>27198795
>He fell for the infinite farm meme

>>27198865
>Stop grabbing health
I literally only have 250 HP.

>>27198905
The Takodachis + her slow field are cock blocking the Yagoos from even touching you. You literally have to rely on luck to even die.

>>27198864
Let it running in the background for a couple days I suppose

>>27198965
>>27198950
Is there anyway to kill myself with a cheat engine?

>>27198986
Idk, I just Moom farm.

>>27198986
yes

>>27199151
teach me

>>27199190
no

Kronii's ult doesnt make sense for a time related character. She should have something to manipulate game timer or speed as an ult.

>>27199453
Kronii's character doesn't make sense in general. She needs a full rework. The clock hands do look cool though.

>>27199491
Yeah instead of perfection she should have a depression passive where her stats are increased but every 10 seconds you have to mash a random key or Kronii will lie down and let death take her.

>>27198702
It's short for 'working alcoholic'

>playing as Kiara with Dragon Breath and MiComet

My wife is on fire!

>>27199423
Finally got to kill myself, fuck you. Can't believe I had to search for a cheat engine tutorial just to get this shit done.

>>27195318
>Assortment of information(e.g. unlocks etc.)
>https://rentry.org/vehan
>2

>>27200256
you're welcome

>>27200256
"teach a man to fish" etc

Why the fuck injection asacoco deals damage to shield and stops when you have 1hp?

>>27200555
...because that's how it's supposed to work?

>>27200638
It stops dealing damage to shield when at 1 hp.

>>27200712
okay and? did you read the item description?

>>27200256
can't believe nobody made an actual cheat table yet

>>27200937
How about YOU read the description. it clearly states lose HP. HP as in HEALTH POINTS not shield you moron.

>>27201140
yeah, you take 5% of your HP as damage, and tell me this, what does the daki shield protect?

>>27201194
idiot, it says lose, not damage.

>>27201221
ok? and shield protects health no? so shield depletes before health right?

>>27200555
>>27200638
>>27200712
>>27200937
>>27201140
>>27201194
>>27201221
>>27201279
God this is exactly like the stupid argument about protoss shields in SC2.

>>27201340
all me btw

my first time trying bae went pretty good, made it to 28 minutes before the damage just wasnt enough to keep up. she seemed a lot stronger than guro imo.

When Mio gets added one of her skills will be something related to Taiga's balls, right?

>>27201631
the fuck? why would you think that? weirdo

>>27201631
Mio's skills will be themed around Tarot Cards

>>27201585
Bae has crazy DPS but you need to swap the credit card for plushie and try to grab the tea as the final item.

>>27201668
She literally shown her cats balls on stream some time ago

Ive done it bros, 3 collabs in a non-endless playthrough
is there a record here? if not then consider this one the one to beat

>>27201631
mimimimimmi!!! puke beeeeaaammmmm!!!

>>27201845
and just like that, i obliterated smol ame in seconds

>>27201970
>in seconds
>20:44

Perfection is shit for what you get. Especially stacking it with Injection and Face Mask and the challenge upgrade. I'm taking a serious risk being at 1 HP and yet all I get is around 200%+ attack which pales in comparison to Mumei or Ina passives. Not to mention only a few characters can make it past 30 mins and Kronii isn't one of them.

>>27201746
yea until that point i was just trying to get all of my collabs

>>27201194
>you take 5% of your HP as damage
>as damage
Where did this came from? Read the description again, this time, slowly. Simple reading comprehension, not that hard.

>>27196279
>>27196420
It does not. Go grab Sana and stack haste, and you'll see her shockwave never falls below it's initial 5 seconds. Similarly, the cooldown on Iyrs's Half-Angel heal can never be reduced. I haven't been able to determine what the specific factor for Haste affecting skills is, but it definitely does not affect all of them.

>>27184686
>she's practically immortal unless you purposely start running away from the Takos.
Is it possible to run away from the Takos?
I had 129% Speed and tried to run away from the takos but Yagoo still couldn't kill me.
Or do I need more Speed?
My setup (before increasing Speed) >>27173157

>>27203182
losing hp is the same as taking damage

>>27202491
Mumei's passive is double-broken atm, so not a real comparison. And Perfection scales 5 stats, while Muemi and Ina's scale 1, soo yeah, it's fine. Honestly her special needs some love, and maybe a touch up on her clock-hands, but otherwise she's fine. She's not meant to be a tank, she's meant to kite, it's just that post 30 is way too 1-dimensional currently.

Thoughts on this build?

>>27203615
Her clock special should do at least twice as much damage per tick and apply a slow or stop. Her wep could add the second hand in addition to what it does for level 7.

>>27204142
I'd pick superchat in stage mode, I made 6700 coins in one run with IRyS.

>>27202491
Kronii is one of the best characters in the game and makes it past 30 minutes easily with her bubble. Scaling fast enough to go infinite is the hard part. With enough haste she is actually invincible.

>>27202491
Kroni has the makings of a fun razor's edge style character, but it feels like she's eating everyone else's leftovers.

>Perfection
Obliterates the early and midgame, but immediately falls off during the boss rush. Some type of death proc would give Kroni a shot at killing some Yagoos, but Calli has a death proc for thematic reasons and Ina gets the other one because reasons

>Time Bubble
In theory this gives Kroni a safe place to stand and keep Perfection up, but in practice you don't need it until boss rush, and one bad spawn during boss rush quickly becomes game over. A dodge or personal shield would provide better protection and allow her to actually use the speed from Kronicopter and perfection, but Gura got the dodge and Fauna got the shield.

>Kronicopter
This actually complements the playstyle that Kroni seems built for.

>Ruler of Time
Full screen DoT makes no sense on a highly mobile razor's edge character. Invincibility, a screen clear, or even just a big enough damage burst all work as "oh shit" buttons, but again those all went to other characters.

Kroni is my favorite character for stage mode, but she is unusable for endless.

>>27204201
Her special definitely needs something. In reality she should have Watsons, but since that won't happen, I agree probably more dot damage and a slow, basically withering the enemies. As for the clock hands, rather than adding a third one, I'd replace the mini-stun (or just add to it maybe) with an AoE spin on critical.

Still waiting for the devs to rework astrology

>>27204142
Glasses are potato tier, especially in stage mode. You could easily have a 3rd collab if you didn't take all those defensive items.

>>27201340
my wife for hire

Are trees spawn points for enemies? I fucking swear there's always one critter camping behind these trees.

Kronii's special should be based on her base weapon. Keep the circular pattern but make it an actual clock with giant clock hands:
- the hour hand covers the entire screen and does one full revolution
- the minute hand covers 2/3rds of the screen and does two full revolutions
- the second hand covers 1/3rd of the screen and does three full revolutions
- the clock displays hours and damage dealt is calculated from which "hour zone" the enemy is in when it gets hit and which clock hand it gets hit by

Or alternatively you could make a special where the stage timer affects damage output like you get the most damage at 50-59 seconds or it gets more powerful the more minutes have passed.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
WHERE'S MY GODDAMN MILK BROS

>>27204142
IRyS doesn't need the daki because she gets hit way too often. Glasses in stage mode is whatever. I don't like a lot of collabs on her because it gives up the knockback but I end up going for them anyway because monkey brain see anvil get anvil, but breathable Asacoco seems just not that good.

>>27205175
Buy Reroll in shop, anon.

>>27205220
y u only get 3 rerolls per game n not per rank up
this game is gay

>>27205607
>per rank up
It makes the game too easy and gayer.

God DAMN they get so fucking FAST
Calli's pretty fun now at least

>>27205216
Daki is worthless overall except on 1hp runs. And knock back becomes largely irrelevant past 25 minutes. In fact, I'm pretty Bae's down under is the only CC that still functions normally at that point, everything else is ignored or resisted. Anyway, best bet for Iyrs is to grab 1 collab, get to Stat boosts as fast as you can, and pump HP like there is no tomorrow, because she is far too fragile in her current state.

Akai Haato's special will be sin of gluttony
She will have a bar that nerds to be filled in order to turn into Haachama up using exp but only the exp gathered through her special will be counted, her special will simply work the same way a rainbow gatherer would, turning to Haachama will increase all stats by 100% except attack speed, while also inverting your controls and directions (if the attack is supposed to go left it'll go right and so on and so forth)

>>27205607
>babby has never played roguelikes/-lites

>>27204142
ditch body pillow for something useful

>>27200256
>being a cheater
why not just cheat coins then?

>>27206820
Anon cheated to kill himself.
Blame the Ina meme build.

>>27206588
roguelikes more like chodelikes holy

Holocure seems popular on Twitch with 2view indies vtubers.
Have any of the bigger streamers on that platform played it yet?

>>27207860
sodapoppin played it

>>27207860
AdmiralBahroo played it.

>>27204826
I'd prefer if Astrology cycled, so you can plan for various phases instead of relying on good rng.

>>27206002
Daki is really good for stage for characters with no sustain if you get fucked on horn drops. Way better alternative to horns than sheep.

>>27204826
>>27208223
My suggestion for Astrology would be a new 15 sec buff gets chosen at intervals of 15/10/5 seconds if they want to keep it random.

>>27207902
>>27208102
Neat. How was it received by the streamers? Chat?

>>27196773
You can edit the save file and give yourself everything in the game anonchaama...

>>27198795
I had more or less the same build and got instapopped by yagoos. How come?

>>27208857
Your stats are too low.
Prioritize HP, then other stats, skip Speed.

>>27208857
And stop wasting time on so many collabs. Get 2, tops, the rest are wastes of stats.

>>27208857
Looks like you were dumb and tried playing for coins in endless

>>27208857
>>27209379
>8.6k in 30 minutes
Better farm coins as Mumei in Stage.

Is coco breath the only collab with built in cc?

So what's this infinite Ina build?
Is it just for score or is it safe to move during Yagoo? Seems like a good way to farm coins

I'm pretty sure this game will have Coco.
But will it have Aloe?
Will it have Rushia?

>>27210692
>seems like a good way to farm coins
>has to cheat to collect coins

>>27210697
Headphones are an Aloe reference but I don't think here or Rushia will be in
And definitely no Hitomi Chris either

Coco is probably a sure thing though

>>27210741
I can get a good haul per run but if I can do something more efficient then I will

>>27210692
Plushie + Horns + Headphones + Full Meal with Ina's tako circle skill and a ton of HP + haste lets you go infinite. It's not a good farming method unless you cheat because if you automate it you will actually never die.

>>27210692
How is Ina with endurance streams? Inafinitie inadurance stream would be kino.

>>27210815
Also to add on to this, once the Dev fixes takos procing your plushie and body blocking Yagoo heads the Ina build will fall just as easily as any other character with the same item build.

>>27210763
>>27210697
The real question is whether it will include holostars

>>27210815
>Plushie
Well, I guess I'll just keep playing normally and pray the gacha gods have mercy on me

>>27210891
Plushie seems like ass at a glance but it's pretty much mandatory past 25 minutes

>>27210859
Pic related, you can see on the bottom left corner the Yagoo debuff being procced by Takos. Not only that, the takos are also slowed which makes it rare that a Yagoo head can touch you.

I don't know shit about Vampire Survivors so maybe it has already answered my question, but do you think Holocure has space for more modes than Stage and Endless? What would they be? What would you want them to be?

>>27210697
but Rushia is already in the game

>>27211002
Define "modes", you mean stuff, like a harder or faster mode? or something that straight up changes the core of the game?

>>27211111
That's Ina

>>27211002
>>27211002
i mean i dont even care about that the game needs way better balance shits all over the place and some of the collabs are just retarded. If they really plan on doing a ton of updates they really need to work on the balance of the game.

the issue with ghost takos is that they count as kills for horns when you absorb them and deleting enemies with AO-chan still grants xp for them
they possibly even proc plushie
>>27210826
I love this retarded face like you wouldn't believe

>>27211278
You can't balance character / equipment functions until you know what you're balancing them for. That's why I don't really care about endless builds right now because I don't think endless will stay like this, stage mode will definitely see changes too.

>>27209931
yes

>>27210951
I mean that I still haven't unlocked Bae yet

>>27209931
>built in cc
what? I don't get it

Alright I've set up the Ina infinite.
Now to play the waiting game...

>>27211002
Multiplayer Online PvP with greatly reduced damage vs players.

Has anyone ever gotten a second collab if they have 4 items at level 7 at once? I am fairly confident that it's bugged. I've had two collabs ready at once, one golden anvil has spawned, and then the only way to get a second anvil to spawn was to get a third collab ready, and the third golden anvil never spawned even to 30 minutes.

>>27211002
VS has different stages including very gimmicky ones (like a stage where the only enemies are plants that can't move but grow around you)
Apart from visuals they have different stage geometry, enemies, on-stage traps, and pickups

>>27211970
No.

>>27210826
>inafinite inadurance
heh

Kiara should've had something like vampire survivor's Tiragisu to replace her useless ult, would've fit her character better

>>27212065
INAfinite INAdurance lol

Baerats how do you cope with the fact that baelz is fucking garbage in this game

it's impossible to unlock the plushie

>>27212251
Kiara's shield skill should give her a one-time revive at level 3.

>>27212826
The first character I reached the Yagoos with was Bae.

>>27212826
She's A tier. Her special is SS+ tier. gitgud

>>27212826
It's easy to survive 10 minutes with lots of power ups from the shop.

>>27212826
skill issue

If character specific items remain locked to their character, which they should, they could add like a collab mode where you start off with a pair and only have their weapons/skills.

give me mio

For those of you who have done the Ina farm, how long did it take for you to finally die?

>>27213401
See you in August.

my brapper is almost at grank 21 and my gura isn't even close to that

>>27213420
I got bored because my old ass cpu dropped the game speed to 30%, so I CE'd it
Got close to natural death maybe 3 times over the course of 3 hours, with 400 hp

mmm coins

>>27197811
Who had the best stream?

>>27213664
Most Ive gotten in one clear so far is 8k coins. Think I might finally move onto Endless mode now

>>27213534
Is there a CE table or do you have to manually find the HP value or w/e?

>>27213664
I love coins as well.

Any particular collabs I should go for with Fauna in endless?

>>27198111
But the gacha only has one for Gamers

Post your Fauna 30+ minute screenshots so I can copy your items

>>27199666
Good one satan

>>27212826
>Bae
>Bad
Have you tried not being terrible at the game?

>>27213933
Set value type to double then search for your current hp value, you'll get two values. Change both to 0 then poof

>>27213401
Ask and you shall receive.

i might be retard, but how do you pause? i tired esc/cancel, p, etc.

This seem about right for the current patch?

>>27214787
press PAUSE button on your keyboard

>>27214787
Press Enter.

>>27214807
bump kronii down

>>27214807
id put kiara as too average, and kronii as need buffs

>>27214063
>>27214189
No matter the character, in endless it's always horns, plush, milk, glasses, meal, headphones, elite cooking, endless BL. Some variety would be nice to have, especially something to make crazy items like injection or gorilla viable.

how hard is it to implement a multiplayer co-op function?

>>27206062
>not calling her special HAACHAMACHAMAAA
bonus points if an 8bit jingle mimicking the vocalization is played

>>27205123
at this point i don't even care about balance, I just want my oshi's special to do some kind of cool time related thing like turn the game backwards or fuck with the timer or go king crimson

>>27215622
Very hard if it has been developed with single player in mind from the beginning.

>>27215587
Injection is good on Hardcore. Gorilla will never be viable because it's a literal stat trough. It needs reworked to be good, or a character/item needs introduced that is penalized for crit. Otherwise it will forever be garbage tier.

>>27215622
as hard as rewriting the game from scratch I'd wager

>>27215819
>a character/item needs introduced that is penalized for crit

>>27195318
>>27200268
Calli's section is still outdated

>>27215819
Gorilla damage increase is additive right? Could be viable if it was multiplicative maybe

Would be they able to monetize the game if they wanted?

>>27215855
I'm not saying they should do that, just that Gorilla will never be useful in its current form unless they did.

>>27215960
Yeah, it just adds to your +%ATK total.

>>27215819
Gorilla just needs to be a mulitplier instead of a flat bonus percentage of base damage. 130% with no crit is a worthwhile tradeoff even at level 1, but going from 200% to 230% is not worth it compared to any crit increasing items. A lower but multiplicative bonus could be a worthwhile tradeoff for stage mode, at least, since you'll never reach 100% crit.

>>27215855
That's start to fall into the trap of a character requiring certain items to be viable. Maybe a character who does DoTs (not that any enemies really live long enough) or AoE scaling off their base damage, but even then gorilla in its current form would be no better than anything else, and most items will still crit. Compare injection, which is an expensive item to run but multiple characters can just outheal and ignore it, making it free, or uber sheep which is very weak but at least mechanically unique. Future characters that do something based on eating (hoping for Okayu, but also potentially Haachama) don't need uber sheep, since regular enemies do drop burgers, but would actually make uber sheep a useful pick.

Another item I'd change is the energy drink: make it a 3 level item instead of 5 or have it progressively lose the HP penalty instead of gaining more speed.

I don't think i can survive 40 minutes with Fauna
Always die during the 36-37 at best

>>27217959
Post your setup and stats.

I am starting to regret my decision.

>>27219777
Good luck, anon.
The game might crash itself after 7 hours playing.

>>27195318
>Buy second character gacha
>Get Sana again
FUUUUUUUUUUUCK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Why is Chammers like this?

>>27219822
Isn't Yagoo supposed to scale up to eventually one-shot me? Suerly it won't take that long r-right?

>>27220265
he scales too slowly to ever catch up
you may need to bump up your speed to ludicrous levels to outrun the takos and even that will only give you a slim chance to die.
thats an interesting lore idea for ina though. being cursed with immortality unable to die trapped in an endless cycle

is the breathe in asacoco worth it or is it garbage
i dont see a whole lot of people using it. does it suck or is flattening board that much better

>>27220474
it's garbo, dragon fire is better

>>27220265
Maybe if you didn't go crazy with the hp.
Else, you're going to have to use CE to kill yourself.

>>27213149
>collab mode
Call it 'offcollab mode' and I'll take it

>>27220265
Yagoo will eventually kill you.
Last night I played and stopped taking stats at 32 minutes >>27173157.
Later I tried taking speed to outrun the takos but I didn't see anything changed.
Speed was 129%.
Then I died in 50 minute >>27175693 while I wasn't looking (played windowed mode in background).

>>27220540
I have 435, right around the minimum recommended of 400 from the video guide.
Hopefully I'll get rekt after about another hour or so.

>>27195318
>Check Ollie's stream
>She picks Mumei
>Rushes Awakened Weapon
>Dies anyway

>>27215622
bro they couldn't even handle the scoreboard..

>>27214807
Irys should be ultimate survivor

>>27220667
This was my last run with 515hp and accidentally taking injection type asacoco so yeah, that shouldn't take long

>>27215385
>>27215315
I have an idea what if they buff Kronii's haste more like just really ramp it up.

Mumei and Calli have a much better time than anyone else clearing the stage mode with no collabs (and random items) for farming. It's a bit tighter with Calli and you want some more reliable weapons (axe and books, spider cooking to a lesser extent) to cover yourself, where Mumei can just brute force it between history and civilization pretty much no matter what she has (may not be as easy if history gets fixed). Calli's advantage is that you can put off upgrading the scythe for longer than Mumei can put off her feathers, and I think I average higher gold with Calli but the variance from RNG is a lot bigger than the difference between them.

Fauna can do it as well, hell I am pretty sure most characters can do it, but Fauna's weapon doesn't get the insta-kills of the scythe nor Mumei's massive scaling, so you don't get many kills for that last round. Bae can get a lot more kills but like Calli you need decent weapons to cover herself and they can still push through.

>>27210873
Kay Yu said he will add holostars in the future. Hopefully by that time, everyone stopped playing already.

>>27212826
must be skill issue

>>27221335
it's already dying but thats a good thing for now

>>27219777
Update: In game timer 1:37:20. Yagoo managed to take me to a quarter health with a series of lucky hits. Hopefully won't be too much longer now.

>>27222181
Post your stat screen.

>play for 15 minutes
>kicking ass
>suddenly get stuck on something
>can't move
>immediately die
Great fucking game.

>>27222224

>>27222297
>200% Speed
Can you run away from the tako?

>>27222272
bro.. why didnt you dance around it??

>>27222338
If I could, do you think I would still be here?

>>27211817
Crowd control, coco breath has slight knock back that effectively stun locks most things caught in it.

>>27222392
Some people said that you can outrun the takos, I tried with 129% Speed and failed.
You have much higher Speed so I thought you have higher chance to outrun them.

>>27222297
>110% haste
well, that's why

the yagooza got me bros

>>27222272
skill issue

>>27222272
just go around it cunk boy

>>27221077
Mumei is better at farming because Friend picks up exp. simple as.

>>27223655
Doesn't make you run around any less because feathers kill a lot of enemies offscreen.

>>27223655
Yeah and I've already gotten all of council and irys to rank 21 now (Bae was last). But I don't want to just burn out on my oshi. In terms of the weapon on its own I actually think Fauna's leaves might be better than the feather, but it doesn't matter because Mumei's skills scale the feather well beyond what Fauna can manage. All other characters have a much harder time farming the 19 minute wave without collabs, they need to run away more and end up with far fewer kills.

>>27208518
How do I do that?

YOOO

Do you think they're going to nerf characters or will they just buff other characters to be at the same level? It'd kinda suck to get used to a character you like and then she gets nerfed.

>>27224572
So far they've only buffed the worst character, by reworking her substantially, and a skill where levels 2 and 3 were entirely pointless in stage mode. Though they probably should not have gone so far with History. Since it's a single player game they don't need to go too far with balance, only buffing anything that's frustrating to play or anything that's so overpowered it's not fun to play. Getting balance "right" across such a wide cast is a fool's errand with no real motivation behind it.

Noticed recently:
The map doesn't wrap, it tiles duplicates.
Full meal doesn't affect shop upgrade regen.

Do you need a maxed out shop and character to get passed the yagoos or something? even after 26 minutes with Fauna I just have to run or get swamped and then I die to the yags.

>>27224523
Patch notes?

>>27225222
Stop using Fauna for Endless runs.

>>27225471
never. I saw one or two anons get to 50 minutes

>>27224523
this game is only one week old? what the fuck

what are anons top 3 collabs for getting into 30mins+

>>27222338
>>27222516
Update: I have reached 400% Speed. The Yagoos can keep pace with me, but I'm fairly certain I'm outrunning the Takos. Unfortunately, I have yet to die. It seems no matter how fast I go I can't outrun the endless suffering.

>>27224523
Is this a ruse

>>27225761
yes

>>27225759
That sounds like some sort of Lovecraftian horror story. Unable to stop moving, unable to die.

>>27215819
Gorilla hands is one of the best upgrades if you don't have skyhigh crit like Bae and Ame.

>>27212826
Invest in rapid hitting weapons and down under, nothing will ever get close to you.
Crits are just a nice bonus.

>>27214807
Move fauna down and Bae up.

>>27212826
>Baerats how do you cope with the fact that baelz is fucking garbage in this game
haha true only ina is good in endless anyw-
>it's impossible to unlock the plushie
bruh fr?

The leaderboards will never be fixed...

>>27225630
my cock + your face

>>27226000
It's really not, the levels you'd need to invest to get the -50% crit back on your way to 100% would be better spent on attack, HP, or speed. If it were a multiplier instead of an additive change, sure, but it's not. It takes 5 attack upgrades to match a maxed gorilla's paw but it takes 17 crit upgrades to make up for the lost crit.

>>27226235
Even if they were, the top spots would all just be Ina abusers.

there should be a music note + spider cooking collab that changes the BGM to HACHA CHAMA AHAH CHAHHACAM HAHAHACMACAHCAHACMAAMAMAM

>>27226308
Can't upload your score if you never actually die.

>>27215819
Gorilla is fine for stage where you just need a flat damage boost and aren't planning on building crit. It falls off as you upgrade characters but it's still better off than noob trap sheep.

>>27212826
Bae is only bad if you're playing her wrong

Yeah yeah people die when they're killed

But Bae seems bad at the surface but once you start working with or compensating for her gimmick you handle her pretty well

I actually got a lot of practice with herding using her

>>27226286
That's why you just forgo all crit instead of trying to get the losses back.
>more damage but you essentially lose all crit
>more damage but you take more damage
>more damage but you lose HP and need the horns/dakimakura
It's the safest damage increase if your crit is low anyway.

>>27226413
The biggest mistake people make is focusing too hard on her crits when her cc passive is so fucking absurd with the right load out. Dice are ok but getting a dot collab takes priority so you can fully abuse her stun.

>Have all the characters
>All upgrades are maxed out
>Oshi is G Rank 20
>Reached Yagoo with oshi
So what now?

>>27226534
Find another hobby

>>27226501
Like +30 to crit isn't bad but I generally wait until I've got enough xp on screen to hit three levels with it before considering to take it

>>27226534
Wait until the next update I guess nerd

>>27226501
agreed a six on her die is strong so why would you lower that damage

>>27226534
Your oshi hasn't maxed her bonus yet.
Make her G Rank 21.

>>27226632
Because you get your damage back at level 3.

>>27226669
Are you sure about that anon 3 levels means a lot, at least during the early stages

>>27226715
Yes. More crits means more cRATs which means all the fucking damage.

What are your recommended builds for endless mode, particularly for IRyS and Ina?

i want to beat stage mode with every charater, and got stuck with kronii. which is why i noticed, i havent gotten yagoo's dakimakura with her yet. i just simply havent seen it or is she not allowed to have the dakimakura somehow?

I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT I'M DOING

>Perfect kit, no dead abilities, have everything they could reasonably want in 3 skills
Ina
Gura

>Linear kits, but with tools so powerful that it barely matters
Mumei
Mori

>Strong, versatile kits that are just missing one or two things that would elevate them to top tier
Bae
IRyS
Sana

>Bae but a bit weaker and less flexible
Ame

>Mostly coherent kits with glaring weaknesses, lacking in some key aspect that really hurts them
Fauna
Kronii

>LMAO
Kiara

>>27226891
KILL AME

>>27226891
newchama...

>>27226912
Kiara fucking sucks to play

>You fucking stopped to cc for a second
>Lmao no more buffs for you

>>27226534
Farm more money for next update so you can G Rank 21 all members on the day it release

>>27225759
Pretty sure that's a Flash Storyline. Congratulations, you turned Ina into a Speed force user.

We don't deserve a fangame of this quality, but i'm glad we got it anyways

Kiara just needs dancer to fall off incrementally and her shield to be reworked to be a small flat contact damage reduction that makes her shoot off sparks of flame when she's hit and she'd be fine. An ultimate that actually utilizes the fact she's a phoenix would be nice too, but they're probably going to make her item "phoenix down" or something, and it'll basically be tirigasu. I feel like too many people are acting like this is the full release.

The goal shouldn't be to make every character viable post 30 minutes in endless, it should be for every character to have a cohesive and unique playstyle. Kronii is already the "don't get touched" character, Kiara should be the "never stop" character and a reduction to contact damage would facilitate that better than a reward for never getting hit.

kiara buff patch soon trust the plan

>>27225968
>>27227160
Final Update: Fuck this shit I'm done. I'll just CE the coins if I really want them. I wanted to try the Ina grind because I was getting bored of farming normally. NEVER AGAIN.
If anything good has come out of this, it's that we have definitive evidence that "outrun the Takos" isn't a viable strat. Hopefully my sacrifice won't be in vain.

Protip to anyone attempting this in the future: You only need like 200ish HP and don't level up Haste too high.

>>27227215
I'd like to see kiara getting a ram heal proc, where the direction she's running has a chance to damage enemies and heal her allowing her to plow through enemies to keep dancer up

Could be based on the usual room

Do you lose knockback from the Spider Cooking in the Elite Cooking collab?

>>27227353
yes

>>27227353
Yep

>>27226434
That's valid if you only care about stage mode and have nothing that procs on crit or increases it. The value of crit goes up the more attack you have. Assuming 0% base crit the breakeven point for tea/wine vs gorilla is 400% (+300%), but that drops very quickly. For characters with 3% crit it's about 350% (+250%) and for characters with 5% base it's only 320% (+220%) which is achievable on several characters like Mumei even in stage mode

>>27227328
It's also worth noting that there's only so much design space, and Kay has 45 hololive talents to add and 13 holostars plus possibly managers and graduates. Dude's got a lot to consider if he doesn't want to have the VS problem of 12 characters all playing exactly the same.

i think kronii can be put on "can survive yagoo" tier along with ina and gura now

>level up
>die instantly
AAAAAAAAAAAAA I was gonna make it too

>>27227506
100% fair, I am super happy with the game as is

>>27227607
lmao wtf, did you get multiple instances of damage in the same tick before Plush re-activated?

>>27227582
is that haste enough for unlimited bubble?

>>27227722
kind of? i think theres a gap of a second or so cant tell with this lag

>>27227316
The dev will probably eventually patch in keeping coins on quit, it seems like a weird oversight instead of an intentional change. If you're going to CE coins you can also use CE to suicide.

>>27227506
I was expecting a basic VS clone where each character gets a unique weapon, though I only knew of it but hadn't actively been following the dev. Honestly I think the game, right now, is in a better state (even with the bugs) than VS was when I first played that.

Even following a formula of 1 weapon + 3 skills + one special is going to be tough. I expect some characters will, out of necessity, be awkward to play - Kiara already is - but to the point of including their primary weapon, like Calli before her buff having very annoying deadzones. Out of necessity I think we're going to see a lot of fairly similar "attack and spd/crit/haste/pickup" buffs that trigger off of some common action. Someone will do it for picking up coins, and I'd bet Okayu will get one that triggers each time she eats.

Lmao why is this thread the most civil thread on /vt/

>>27227890
Because we're mostly talking about the design and balance of a game, instead of yelling at each other about who's oshi's are sluts and who's are pure.

>>27203240
It clearly isn't, given how the game works. Two different phrases for two different concepts.

>>27206062
Intresting idea but I have no idea how balanced is this, plus it'll have to work with her kit in general, have any idea what her general kit is going to be?

>>27227822
>you kept the perfection buff on, so Yagoo didn't hit you.
>Bubble is the only thing that can freeze Yagoo.
yeah, i guess you unlocked the unlimited bubble

>>27227890
as civil as it is this game's thread probably won't last another week as more people will get tired of it as a demo

>>27228094
Technically Kay Yu said "next month" but because he said it a couple days ago most people assume he means August. I'm still hoping for gamers to drop in mid July.

>>27228158
It was much more popular than he expected, but at the same time it's not making him any money so I don't know that he'll shift focus to it more. I also don't know how much of his time he spent on it.

I am a bit worried that the Holos themselves will mostly burn out on it. Personally I'm probably not going to be getting everyone in every gen to rank 21 unless gold farming is made substantially easier. I want to just force myself to stop playing now even while I have the itch.

>>27228346
I wouldn't be so optimistic but there's already ability names in the games code and if you fuck with the contrast you can see detail on the gamers sprites on the banner, so they're already mostly done and he's in the final stages with them. If he doesn't drop it in July the next update is likely to be bigger than we're expecting.

>>27228346
I'm following several indev roguelike games. In my personal experience, I'll get bored of one and stop playing it for a while, only to have my interest immediately revived the next time that it updates.

>>27228436
I instantly 100% VS again every time it patches. I'm glad I'm too poor to play slot machines.

So next update will probably have Gamers? Some new weapon/item? New stage/boss?
Wonder how often will the dev update the game

>>27228532
Most of the dev time in stuff like this is art assets, and since this game has beautiful custom sprites and isn't made of slapped together assets it's going to be like once a month even if he's going as fast as he reasonably can, as far as actual content updates are concerned.

Game is broken for me? Often times BL won't trigger at all because of too many things on in the screen, like as if I don't have it unlock. But when I move away it to a less clogged area the skill returns.

>>27228406
He also showed off a KFP stage that wasn't present in the demo, and the field stage had other features like a pond. It depends more on how much he wants for the next update than anything else, and he's still got bugs to fix (second golden anvil, Mumei's weird +1200% attack, etc). It probably wouldn't take him nearly 2 months to just get gamers in there, so I do expect the next update is not just one or two more gens.

There's also room to expand the mechanics, even if some are just copying VS. Curse, banish, ranged enemies (maybe a bit hard given the zoomed in nature of the game), stage traps, etc. I don't think it'll ever need anything like Arcana since the game already has enough variety built into it, but maybe some additional challenge modes or gimmicks like swapping characters at random could be reasonable.

>>27228688
BL book isn't constant, it has a duration and a cooldown, and a hit limit until it's leveled a bunch so it might be instantly getting used up as soon as it spawns if it's not level capped and you have too many enemies around you.

>>27228688
Are you sure it's not triggering at all? Each book has a hit limit that never goes away even at level 7, so it could just be that they're getting used up very quickly. That and its low knockback, even collabed, makes BL a lot less useful than bible was in vampire survivors.

>>27228688
What level is it at? It does have a bit counter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlfJQ22nhF4 flare later

A-chan should be added later as a secret character that has a unique drop pool that doesn't include any base items, but includes everyones starting weapons instead and she starts with a random one. Instead of item slots she just has 12 weapon slots. Maximum screen pollution.

Her special could be to randomly use someone else's special but you get like a little indicator when the meter fills up to tell you who's special you have in the chamber.

Is there even a point to trying Endless mode before you've unlocked and maxed everything?

>>27229070
Fun, stamina, points,

Migo in two hours. I don't think I'm going to make it.

>>27228743
max lvl, my build is with mumei

>>27228760
>>27228743
i see it might be a hit lmiit issue then.

i'll restart my pc just incase then i'll see if i can replicate it again and post a webm.

Since I already have all the girls, should I prioritise the upgrades or should I continue to roll for the g rank something?

>>27229743
I'd say go upgrades or go Ina and just let it grind in the background

>>27229743
Prioritize shop upgrades.Gacha rank ups are mostly there as a big gold sink, like the golden eggs in VS, for autists who have nothing better to do. Like everyone in this thread including me. Game isn't going to be balanced around requiring them and it wouldn't surprise me if the dev added the ability to toggle gacha ranks off later.

>>27228914
don't need a maxed shop to afk farm coins in Endless with Ina, which you can then use to max out the shop

>>27230050
meant for
>>27229070

>>27230050
If you're going to afk farm, just cut out the middle man and hack the coins in.

>never made it past the Shieldbeat rush unscathed
>unlock Mumei
>History & Civilization boosted ELITE Cooking kills them while she stands in place
Was is really that easy all along?

>>27230337
You could say the same thing about Mumei stage farmers.

>>27230805
Most of them have a strat that you can leave and forget like Sana for example is primo example of you don't even have to play for the early stages

Spider cooking is too strong, it needs to be nerfed a bit

>>27230805
She has the most bullshit power curve because of her bullshit passive.

>>27231564
An argument could be made to divide it into two items I feel, one that kbs the enemies and one that does dot like lava bucket but centered on the player