/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

You are not japanese

>>27022840
Who?

>>27022840
>No Gura
>No Kobo
whoever made this doesn't watch streams

>>27022840
FBK and Koro are more popular than suba

>>27022920
No

>>27022840
>No Mori
She has opened the way for vtubers to become REAL idols and musicians.

>>27022840
Holy shit Otaku are even bigger incels than the people here.

>>27022840
this is just the highest tier of the ccv chart. if youre going by ccv this is objectively correct, any other metric this shouldnt be applied to. this thread has no point

>>27022914
>>27022920
>>27022997
it's based on ccv

>>27022840
Matomefags deserve the rope.

>>27022840
Remove suisei and it's all good.

Japs barely even watch Hololive. 80% of the time when you bring up vtubers people here will assume you're talking about Nijisanji.

>>27022840
huh, it's not from numbers thread. i'm quite surprised

Is Korone not that popular over there?

>>27022914
Overseas branches are irrelevant.

>>27022840
>pillars
>No Coco
Kys newfag nipshart

>>27023124
This is a numberfag list and she gets the most vod views in the company, almost as many as the next 2 people combined

>>27023175
It's not 2019 any more comachama

>>27022840
No FBK? list isn't legit then.

>>27023175
>people here talking about nippleniji
long gone

>>27022914
>gura

lol do you even know even flair's 3D stream had more viewer than that irrelevant shit's 3D stream?

>>27022840
Korone ...

>>27022997
Why Mori?

>>27023666
I meant even without factoring that, she is really popular even outside hololive bubble. saw a lot of ROF MAO fujo on twitter has her oshimark on their name lmao.

>>27022840
nobody cares about ccv besides /#/
the real pillars are:
Sora
Miko
Fubuki
Pekora
Gura

>>27022840
replace Susei with Fubuki and Suba with Chloe and I'd say thats accurate.

>>27022840
Conclusion, Japs know shit, as expected.

>>27022840
replace suisei or aqua with korone and we have a deal

Sora - Hogan
Fubuki - Andre
Pekora - Bret Hart
Miko - Shawn Michaels
Coco - Stone Cold
Gura - Jean Xena

>>27022840
>Subaru
bunch of sub 15k trash number on overlaps or multipov
>Aqua, Marine
don't even fucking stream

First Army my ass

>>27025207
As much as people here like to try and bait by saying she can't sing, the fact is most people who hear her sing like her singing. It's not all that surprising that that is then something that allows her to grow outside the Holo bubble.

>>27026250
Subaru consistent with 30k stream this past weeks actually

>>27022914
No one gives a shit about ID and EN whores.
Gura is barely relevant anymore and Kobo literally debuted yesterday. Give her a year at least and see where she is, and then claim that she is the pillar of hololive.

>>27022840
Who is the girl with purple hair?

>>27022840
Let me see the JP response anon.

Also, Miko and Subaru really come far huh....

>>27026250
Subaru's clips somehow become viral quite a number of times in JP-sphere.

>>27022840
miComet saikou!

>>27022840
My 6 pillars, no order:

Subaru - genuinely loves Hololive
Mio - regarded as the mom of Hololive
Fubuki - Is the canary in the coal mine, if she leaves then something bad is happening in Hololive
Aqua - The dorky little sister of Hololive
Pekora - One of the most prolific members of Hololive
Marine - Everybody loves Marine

Wrong. The list is so wrong.The correct would be something like this:
1. Fubuki
2. Pekora
3. Korone
4. Marine
5. Sora
6. Subaru (Aqua)
7. Suisei
8. Miko
9. Gura
10. Coco

>>27022997
REAL WHORE

>>27023638
Who?

how would you define a pillar?
someone who's been there a long time and helped grow hololive?
someone who's getting lots of views now?
someone who others rely on and who organizes events and things for everyone else?
in that list only Miko and Suisei really fit all 3 but it's a matter of how you define it I suppose

>>27023888
this fugfag has the 2nd strongest authority within the agency

>>27027241
I love miosha but she's not a pillar. I'd put korosa or migoti above her. Subaru loves holo and works hard but she's not influential in any way to be a pillar ( unless i forgot something).


Putting gura as a pillar is just a numberfag meme.

the only EN you could call a pillar is Mori
I know that won't make anyone here happy

>>27027801
The vtubers I like.

>>27025280
Then why is pekora and gura there?
They contribute to nothing other than having big numbers

everyone in this thread is retarded. This list is based SOLELY on numberfagging, and it's just holoJP

The True pillars are the ones who contributed to the booms before EN
The 7 pillars of hololive are miko, coco, fubuki, haachama, korone, sora (being the Daisenpai) and marine. Anything else is garbage
Subaru, aqua, pekora and the rest did nothing to hololive on late 2019 early-mid 2020
And no, pekomoona wasn't until late 2020 so it doesn't count

>>27028653
pekomoona is the core of modern hololive and the one true pillar
all other hololive activities are satellites of the supermassive pekomoona in the center

>>27028840
Pekomoon or whatever the fuck it's name is happened after myth debuted so like I said, it doesn't count because I'm also not counting haato's schizo arc, both somewhat a similar effect which is pulling the EOPs into the jp sphere while also involving the JOPs

>>27029026
how can you seriously reply to that post?

>>27027801
Someone who acts as a strong support for Hololive as a whole, both as a public face and as a resource for fellow talents. Someone whose presence is so strong in the company that their absence would not only damage Hololive's image and bottom line, but also severely affect the performance of those around them.

>>27028653
You're still just listing people who get big numbers or had memorable moments for EOPs
Mio was an important supporting presence for everyone else and the driver behind most of the big company-wide collabs that people remember
Aqua, Choco, and Matsuri were all instrumental in building hololive's audience in its early days

>>27022840
>The "First Army": The six members who reign as if they were the emperors of the Hololive.
there is only one emperor of hololive and it's Tokino Sora
also that's just nips numberfag thread and only based on CCV, nothing more

>>27022840
Nice Facebook poll you got there.

>>27022840
Subaru is the pillar of dishonesty. She is the biggest liar in the company and only a fool would trust her.

>>27030962
>oh noes my redditcasual tier parroting of shit gleaned from shitty seanog translated clips has lead me to assume things about a chuuba that are later proven false SHE'S DISHONEST REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
fag lmao

>>27023056
nah its pretty accurate in general, only subaru doesnt belong if the focus isnt solely ccv

when will ENfags realize that korone is irrelevant on the JP side
she was a marine leech for a brief period and otherwise has solely been an EOP (España Only Peasants) magnet otherwise

>>27022840
>5ch
opinion rejected
>>27023469
>>27024715
They hate her

>>27022840
If everyone on that list except Pekora and Miko stopped streaming, no one would even notice

>>27025280
>Miko number 2

You really need meds, she's irrelevant

>>27024610
>one advertised as a 3D
>one appeared as a surprise 3D

Gee I wonder why, are retards this retarded?

>>27022997
true, they are way more willing to suck and fuck their way to the top because of her

>>27033853
Suisei did a collab today

>>27022840
Terrible taste also a fucking jp numberfag.
The real pillars are:
Gura
Coco
Sora
Fubuki
Pekora

>>27033965
I didn't notice. Pretty sure girls like Luna, Flare and Lamy is more valuable to a viewer.

>>27024610
lol, this shows you just shitpost and don't even know anything. Gura's was not advertised as a 3D stream you fucking retard.

>>27022840
from /#/.
Clearly there is more a top 4 (Pekora, Aqua, Miko, Subaru)

>>27022840
actual pillars in no particular order
>matsuri
>subaru
>marine
>haachama
>fubuki
>coco
this is based on how easy it would be for me, a white guy, to fuck them

>>27028653
>Subaru, aqua, pekora and the rest did nothing to hololive on late 2019 early-mid 2020
Holy shit, what the fuck are you talking about? Even sticking just to numbers, Aqua and Pekora have been the company's top streamers pretty much since their respective debuts.

>>27034504
holy based

Suisei,shuba and baqua are useless take em out. Add Korosan and you ve got yourself a deal

>>27022840
Yes they're right, my oshi isn't there but I recognize these 6 as being vital
>>27027801
>>27029666
Another way to see it is how they affect collaborations. If some nobody 2 view playing tetris gets sniped by Suisei, their stream is guaranteed a momentary 20k view boost. If Aqua Peko or Migo collab with any sort of company, the products are guaranteed to sell out. Marine and Shuba might not be popular overseas, but a simple zatsudan gets over 18k viewers each.
Fubuki who is the face of Hololive will get 3k on a bad game 7k on a good game and 25k on a meme, but it always fluctuates.
It might be numberfagging, but numbers carry the company.

>>27034702
>If some nobody 2 view playing tetris gets sniped by Suisei, their stream is guaranteed a momentary 20k view boost.
lies

>>27022840
Trade Aqua with Korone and i would've believed it.

I can only assume all the people saying Suisei isn't important are toddlers who think the only measure of success is peak viewership streaming video games
She literally gets as many views per month as the people in 2nd and 3rd combined

>>27022840
>No Fubuki
Already disregarded.

I would have just limited the list to Sora, Fubuki and Aqua.

>>27034780
Those were all real examples faggot

>>27022840
Doesnt even have Sora. Nips are fucking retarded.

>>27022840
only one is watchable and the other five should get shot

>>27034947
No they weren't

>>27022840
2 of these people don't even stream.

>>27022840
Based, ENfags seething.

>>27022840
>no FBK
???????

Miko already raped 3 of them

>>27027801
ultimately CCV is the best indicator imo, even if it's kind of lame. From a commercial perspective it's all about the numbers.

>people seriously mentioning Gura as a pillar of hololive

You are all retards. Seriously.
The entirety of the EN branch can die in a car accident right now and nothing, absolutely nothing, would change, no one cares except the EOP tourists.
Any graduation from OP's list would be a cataclysmic loss, an event bigger than Coco's graduation, even.

>>27022840
They are not wrong. These are the holos that people will turn up for. FBK is more like a pseudo-manager than a talent at this point.

>>27022840
>aqua
its not 2020 anymore

>>27035398
If that's the case then merch sales and sponsorships are way more important than ccv

These are the ideal holos. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

>>27035605
I imagine pillar means what it sounds like it means, supporting the entirety of the industry and it would collapse without them.
merch and sponsorship is just office boy stuff

Aqua and, arguably, Pekora are the only ones who belong.

>>27032988
STFU SEANigger

>>27026250
In the case of Marine, her forte was never the stream, not even when she was healthy she did it for several hours, even when she had the whole audience.

Her importance is based on the role she plays within the company.

>>27034999
She literally did exactly that. sniped a 2 view and even joined said 2 views celebration call in after getting some traction from clips of the snipe. Suityan is a saviorfag she knows what it is like to be a 2view same with Miko, that and always being unityfags and Miko being the core of the holobox for #'s makes them pillars easily.

>>27035987
>she knows what it is like to be a 2view same with Miko
Anon, most of them have been 2views on NND at some point. It's not like they're special.

Aqua never streams though.

>>27022840
Is Aqua still that big? She streamed like twice in the last two months, barely at all in the last year.
>”based on CCV”
Where’s Shion or Ayame then?

>>27022914
Japan doesn't care about your gaijin whores.

>>27036378
I thought they graduated or something

>>27035987
Don't care, wasn't a 20k live view spike

>>27022840
Sorry, if Akua is on the list then the entire list is shit.
Akua is a nobody just like Ayame.

>>27036209
that's true, you can however say they uniquely struggled within Hololive when they transferred over

>>27036378
Aqua is huge, the fact that she often appears on TV and radio certainly helps with the JP audience.
Ayame and Shion have a solid average ccv but, unlike Aqua, they don't have many streams where they get >40k concurrent viewers.

nip otakus = the absolute worst fanbase
everyone should actively work on removing them from all their interests and hobbies

>>27034566
>pekora
>top streamer since her debut
MY FUCKING SIDES
this is how I know you have no fucking idea what you're talking about so your opinion is discarded retard

>>27022840
>suisei
bad taste

>>27024610
Gura didn't even write 3d or live on her 3d stream, her call in stream the day before had 57k average ccv, it's the highest call in stream record

>>27036755
>taste
what does this thread have to do with taste?

There are no current pillars of hololive.
Andnin fact we saw that when all these "big streamers" went on a break, you can literally ask for a graph in /#/ where they showed that the fans didn't actually leave but started watching other people, and while the loss of people like pekora and marine would be sad, hololive will recover eventually, it's gotten too big to fail anyways.
Rushia was a big steamer and was one of the first to hit 100k ccv on a stream in hololive, yet the landscape has not changed a bit, coco went away and the numbers are pretty much the same.
The pillars of hololive are those who's past had the biggest impact on the company, imagine if people like fucuki, like miko, like korone, like haachama, like coco weren't a thing?
Yes I can see a future for hololive if pekora never debuted, but I simply can't see one if fubuki didn't for example.

>>27027241
>Miko - regarded as the baby of Hololive, partially responsible for EN success.
ftfy.

>>27036985
to reiterate on my point, everyone contributed to the success if hololive nowadays, it's just some had a bigger part than the others

>>27036714
they are the ones who keep hololive afloat, the foreign fanbase doesn't matter, just like branches like EN or ID. They are not important.

>>27036714
t.wittertranny

Cumkeks coping in the thread

>>27034969
Sora is more of a foundation than a pillar. There's no denying the importance of her contributions to making Hololive what it is today, but her absence wouldn't really affect things much beyond the emotional sentiment of losing the daisenpai.

>>27023086
On what?

>>27037638

>>27037638
Amount of people watching their streams at one time. Those are the 6 highest. It's a numberfag thing, and the JP fans do it too.

>>27035409
People would've said the same thing about rushia and it didn't even hiccup the company. Aqua could go and hololive would be more stable than if fubuki left

>>27038192
Everyone would notice if Aqua left.

>>27033941
>>27034146
>>27036852
>has 4 million subs
>still loses to the dimeless dark skinned elf
KWAB

>>27036721
Anon said she
>did nothing to hololive on late 2019 early-mid 2020
which is objectively wrong since at the time she was already among Holo's top streamers. Just because she didn't have the edge she has now doesn't mean she wasn't already at the top. I said "pretty much" for a reason, All-caps-kun.

>>27037532
at this point, the same can be said to all other member, Hololive is already big 1-2 talent absence ain't gonna affect them

>>27022840
This is completely correct and anybody who disagrees is an EOP.

>>27035409
>The entirety of the EN branch can die in a car accident right now and nothing, absolutely nothing, would change, no one cares except the EOP tourists.
Maybe for Council but losing Myth would definitely be something that would impact the girls

>>27022840
Where Michael?

>>27022914
No one gives a shit about Sharky.

>>27039134
Maybe, but Japanese companies tend to design themselves around catering to Japanese markets. I forget who said it (maybe Yoshihiro Togashi?) but the loss of the entire Western market would be a minor hiccup for the anime industry.

>>27039224
He's gone, Koro-san, Michael Jackson is gone, it's time to let go...

No one would even know who these girls were if it wasn't for Kiara's Holotalk.

>>27022997
>REAL idols
>Hori
kek

>>27039374
LOL, do ENsharts really?

>>27039326
>but the loss of the entire Western market would be a minor hiccup for the anime industry.
I'd argue most statements made about the anime industry is incredibly different these days though, starting from how prevalent streaming is now. Even previously Japanese focused companies like Bandai is completely changing their tune, which is why Gundam is becoming much more of a world wide franchise these days.

It is true in some regards though, but some companies absolutely do rely on the west or rather, would be hurt if they lost that market, whether or not this includes hololive leaves much to be seen for the future.

>>27022920
>>27023888
>>27025280
>>27025332
>>27026062
>>27027241
>>27027370
>>27027824
>>27028653
>>27034007
>>27034504
>>27034893
>>27034923
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>>27036985
>Fubuki
>pillar
EOPs have been parroting this idea that Fubuki is somehow some sort of crucial figure for Hololive for literally years now and nips will never fucking understand how you morons tricked yourselves into believing it
Fubuki is fine, but she's just a member who went viral a few times...like dozens of others
Actual JOPs don't see her as anything particularly unique in the box, much less as a literal pillar

>>27022914
I didn't even know who the second person was
Nobody gives a shit about EN or ID

>>27039601
>I verry javanese rearry, belive me, me superior
Go back

>>27039333
the world wasn't ready for MJ...

>>27039564
I've heard that its changing. Logically, Japanese companies should open up to the Western market as it is much larger than the Japanese one.

Afaik, Japan still dominates the merchandising market, which is what businesses really care about.

>>27039601
Subaru for some reason only considers Sora and Fubuki her daisenpai so clearly there's something JP members see there.

>>27039760
The Japanese are superior.
Fuck off EOP

>>27039821
Which is what really makes the whole bandai thing interesting because they really want sales for Gundam overall to be 50/50 between Japan and overseas, its a bold venture but probably one that Japanese companies should be considering these days.

I do wonder how it is for companies like Capcom though

>>27039374
Holy kill yourself subhuman faggot

>>27039374
Good thing my Oshis still haven't visited that whore's talk show then!

>>27039601
i mean sure EOP exaggerated Fubuki much but i wouldn't go that far saying she is just went viral like dozens of other

>>27040767
She has her own unique qualities, obviously. But at most she's the "pillar" of Gen 1. And let's face it, Gen 1 hasn't been central to Holololive for a long time now

>>27039863
Who does Botan see as senpai, given that she even refuses to go along with Towa's shtick?

>Shut in hikki neet rabbit who only interacts with her gen when forced to
>Autism: Forma de cebolla
>Literaly abandoned everyone she ever collabed with in the past when she became famous.

Only Suisei, Marine and shuba fit the bill of pillars, they're all humble nice people, Subaru in particular loves including her EOPs with her little weekly recap chats, the rest couldn't give less of a fuck or in the case of Aqua are simply to mentally damaged to reach out.

>>27042484
Ogey

Lets not get too tribal but the only one that undisputably should be considered a 'pillar' is
Her content is too good.

>>27042484
oi

>>27039951
Too bad you'll never be one.

>>27042640
all she offers is streaming, she has worked very hard but only for herself. Like, her only contribution to the rest of HL is the cut the company takes from her earnings.

Without her, everyone would continue to work without any problem.
It would be different if she wasn't so caught up in her bubble.

>>27043186
Nah, during her break things were fine but it was also kind of boring.
She's S tier streamer

>>27043186
Collabs with Pekora are worth their weight in gold. Other holomems will drop everything to partner up with her. Marine loves Pekora (and her fans) so much that she couldn't stop talking about how she couldn't wait until Pekora returns.

>>27043402
You can say the same thing about any of the extremely introvert holos ( i.e. Aqua, Ayame, etc.)

>There are people in here ironically suggesting Coco and Fubuki
Coco not being included should be self-evident, she broke NDA and got fired for it and trashed an entire branch in the process, permanently ending Hololive in the biggest market in the world. A stain on the company worse than Rushia, her entire contribution has been a net negative and it's not even close.
Fubuki is a corpo shill through and through who only managed to escape punishment for the China incident because she sucked up to management so hard that they let her stay on even though she hasn't been relevant as a streamer or a talent for years. Every moment she stays employed at Hololive is a slap in the face of any fan who was hurt and dismayed by the fact that she's a traitor who supported a rebel regime and refused to apologize, essentially telling all her loyal fans that no, they are not more important than cheap political virtue signaling. She should have graduated already. If Hololive was a western company she would have been fired within a week, she's only still there because the Japanese dinosaurd in Hololive management still think they are better than all other countries in Asia and don't need to apologize for anything.

>>27022840
>Pekora
>Miko
>Suisei
Yes
>Aqua
Could be a bit complicated; she doesn't stream as constantly she used to do, but she's doing sponsorship of many things like Red Bull, Sonos a maybe
>Subaru
It's hard to say; she has that weekly zatsudan, and many games, but I'm half sold on her
>Marine
She is JP/EN friendly, but I'm not sure if she can bounce back from the beak she took.
If Marine wasn't there, the next one would be Fubuki (IMO), Coco (if she was still here), or either Korone or Okayu.

>>27022840
Every time I start to lose faith in Japan they prove how based they are. Personally I would add a couple of members but I would not even think for a moment about removing anyone presented

>>27043520
Do you actually believe this? Do you actually believe that members of Hololive place the same value in collabs with Ayame as they do with Pekora?
With Aqua I can sort of understand, especially if we're talking about Apex. But Aqua's also one of the pillars.

>>27022840
Who falls into the second and who falls into the third army?

numberfags are mentally ill

>>27043601
>rebel regime
Taiwan is an independent, autonomous, self-governing nation and there's literally nothing that will ever change that lmao

>>27043601
WORDS
ur a dumb cunt

>>27044205
A "nation" that is somehow not in the United Nations or the World Health Organization and is unrecognized by almost the entire world. Nothing makes them a country. They are legally a province of China who speaks the Chinese language and have a Chinese culture.

>>27044057
>The "Second army": Six members who play an important role in supporting the first army of the Hololive.

>The other members are called "First Army" and "Third Army".

I could not find any information about the third army, I assume that all other members not included in the first and second army are in the third army.

>>27044517
>legally a province of China
kek, go ahead and try it, I wanna watch your zhang tech get bombed out of the sky

>>27044548
>it's just a tier list

>>27044517
The identity of nations is decided by force. If Russia is having this much trouble taking Ukraine, then there's no way China will ever take Taiwan with it's inexperienced and incompetent military.

>>27043601
and a ningnon chingnon to you too little buddy!

>>27043601
"biggest" market.

>>27044663
isn't Taiwan, like, 10 times smaller than Ukraine? also, I hate chinks with the deepest passion but they are a lot more ferocious (on account of being insects) than russians.

>>27044783
Taiwan is one of the most fortified places on Earth. They've been preparing for a lot longer than Ukraine has.

>>27043601
Rebel regimes are fucking cool though and you have no business being on 4chan if there's no part of you, no matter how small, that believes that.

>>27043239
Agreed. Didn't really notice until the break, but to me Pekora makes everything else more fun just by virtue of existing. She's also been the heart and soul of the MC Holosaba for like two years at this point, which is Holomems main hub for on-stream interactions, therefore making it a very central piece of their network.

>>27045027
She doesn't socialise with me, I mean holomems enough so she's Third Army at best.

>>27022914
>Pillars of Hololive
both kobo and gura are pillars of hololive id and en respectively, not the main branch

>>27028653
>Subaru, aqua, pekora and the rest did nothing to hololive on late 2019 early-mid 2020
>aqua
>did nothing
>late 2019-mid 2020
Except being the most popular member during that time. Your newfaggotry is showing too much.

>>27022840
Hard to argue with this list.
This is probably the most consistently successful group one could make.

>>27044869
This. Ukraine was a Russian puppet state until less than a decade ago and has been in active turmoil since then
Taiwan is a stable nation that has devoted a tremendous portion of its sizable GDP towards explicitly anti-zhang invasion technology

>>27044869

Taiwan, and more importantly indonesia (which would be opened to chinese aggression should taiwan fall) are essentially the only places semiconductors are made in any real quantity.

which means CN is going to have to somehow engage two military powers (USN and USAF) that have at bare minimum 5x more fighting power than they would if they could somehow deploy their entire military arsenal. There is not a modern military that could fight the US navy in any meaningful conflict.

this is all irrelevant because the second CN starts shit with any western nation for real that stupid dam they built is going to implode and wipe their entire production base out then all their ports will burn. CN as a country is almost indefensible

>>27043601
>she broke NDA

>>27039374
This isn't a KFP
right?

>>27042640
if she's a irreplaceable pilar for everyone why does she excommunicate miko then hmm

>>27029666
literally Kiara, why should be on the list

>>27047512
the rape

>>27030962
proof in next thread or what?

>no FBK
>no Korone
>no Sora
Like, I don't even disagree with the six there, it's also still wrong without those three

>>27047676
those 3 head up the "second army" for sure

>>27022840
I can't watch duck streams lately. It is fucking annoying, she went to far with screams and shit.

>>27047512
In case you still haven't paid attention to that yet, 35piss, one of the two in your picrel is an absolute leech who would gladly let anyone she has collabed with down, as long as she got her fill with them. Pro-tip, it's the one on the right
Maimoto from Nijisanji, Pekora before joining Hololive and after( mainly on Minecraft), Marine(throughout several months in a row, with constant off- collab with each other), Haachama not too long after her BL yab with Marine, Korone( even went as far as doing a 24h stream with her even though she obviously knew about Korone's sleep paralysis among other problems, which should supposedly show her closeness with Korone), and now Suisei. I'm 99.99% sure she'll also pump and dump Suisei once she had enough of her.
Do notice that Pekora, Korone, Marine and Haachama don't talk about her as much as they all did before( one who avoids her at all costs, even going as far as not choosing her related+items in Holocure).
You tards really should open up your eyes someday, there is clearly a problem with your oshi and it's certainly not the others' fault.

>>27038298
Gura antis really are the dumbest motherfuckers. Makes sense, given that they're gura antis, but it's still a sight to behold every time.

>>27048112
Ogey

>>27048112
meds

>>27022840
> No Artia

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>27048112
nobody asked you moonashart

>>27022840
yeah

>one Japanese person made a comment online
>yeah so this is what Japan thinks
Good thread.

>>27048818
This seems more accurate. I imagine JP fans choosing Aqua and Suisei is more out of respect for how solid, driven and hard-working they are.

>>27048959
I honestly cannot think of a more hard-working holo than those two.

>>27049006
For sure. Say what you want about them, but nobody can accuse them of laziness.

>>27022840
Aqua is the Nijisanji killer

>>27048959
>JP fans
>liking Suisei for her work ethic
Suisei is respected because she is effectively the containment Holo for all the active anti-unicorns
If she didn't exist, those retards would proliferate throughout the rest of the fanbase

>>27049170
Is that so? I've known about her barely hiding her dislike of unicorns, but wasn't aware she actively appeals to anti-unicorns.

>>27049099
i can definitely say Aqua and Suisei are lazy nowadays, they stream less than Sora who is also as busy or even more than them with offstream activies

>Aqua
this is how you can tell Japs are all fucking clipwatchers, she hasn't even streamed in years

>>27035398
It is not. No real company will look at CCV. Subs, video numbers, and merchandise sold is much more important.

>>27048959
>>27048818
Like it or not, Aqua can show up once in 3 months and pull 6 figures on one of the most hated stream games known to man.
She's also a must have for any kind of 3D or promotional content. She's a juggernaut.

>>27049252
Aqua had more concerts and sponsorships than Sora YTD.

>>27049251
She appeals to them for exactly that reason. She doesn't attack other holos or their unicorns but a lot of anti-unicorn fans love her 'boss bitch' demeaner. A lot don't even care about her low key acquiesceing to unicorn-related shit as long as they have anti-unicorn sound bytes of hers to use as a bludgeon in internet arguments.

>>27048112
Pekora leeched off of Miko to get into hololive. So all your points are invalid.

>>27049685
lol no, i don't even recall Aqua appear on vtuberfes or vcarnival, let's see Sora schedule recently, 3rd one-man live, appear both on vfes and vcani, mikuland ambassador, spotify radio thingy, tv show with Watame dunno the name, recording 4th album, recording for cover song for every month, not to mention voicing HoloERROR and her regular singing and dancing lessons, i doubt Aqua has more packed schedule and yet she is on Ayama tier hour streaming

>>27050364
(Me)
*Ayame tier

>>27049850
I'd rather say she leeched off Mel. Also all my other points are valid 35tard, just learn how to read.

>>27048112
Are you a woman? you sound like a jealous ex, probably a cucksagi who got mindbroken because PekoMiko broke up and got mad because Miko chose Suisei over Pekora lol

>>27050455
Classic copesagi. Pekora got into hololive because of Miko. Therefore she leeched off of Miko.

>>27050364
Aquairo in Wonderland (sololive)
Aqua seaside festival (sololive)
Holofes
VCarnival
Aqua EP
Negi-U EP
Red bull, lots of stuff, including a periodic column on their website
Sushi
That TV variety show that uses Aqua's original songs as their ending theme.
SAO mobile game
Joysound
Joypolis fan meeting with the rest of Nikisei
Her own fan meeting event
And many others I can't be bother to list

>t. huge idolfag who loves both Aqua and Sora.

>>27050460
I couldn't be more glad that pink whore chose another woman than Pekora, I just want now all of the PekoMikotards to fuck off the surface of that planet.
>>27050633
No proof, therefore you're as much of a coper than I, 35tard.

>>27051215
Keep coping and don't forget to eat your cold chicken cucksagi.

>>27051201
that's not more than Sora and things like SAO mobile game is literally just sponsored stream that you can do at home
and yet again she has same stream hours like Ayame so she is lazy, anyone who stream less than Sora are lazy simple as that

>>27051215
Yep, you ARE a woman

>>27051718
(Me)
Also why do you even include Holofes lol everyone is also there

>>27051215
you don't even watch pekora moonafag
stop using pekora for shitposts

Looks like the schizo noutoddler is watching EN right now lol

were is calli?
The hate watch Pillar of EN

>>27051718
That's a whole solo concert more than Sora, also more off streams stuff in general.
The SAO stream was from the studio, with the game staff present there since the game is in the testing phase.
Why did you include dancing and voice lessons?

>>27053004
(Me)
She also released more cover songs and original songs.

>>27048112
based

>>27022840
Who the fuck watches aqua lmao

>>27048112
You don't even watch streams pathetic schizo. So many things are wrong with your post, for example Miko and Marine only had 1 one-on-one off-collab.

>>27053127
i don't even include her recent birthday tho, that's also a concert, mikuland and spotify thing are more than one day event, we can't count the exact hours but the point is you're delusional if you think Aqua has way more schedule off stream than Sora, let's just say they are as busy but Sora still can stream almost daily even if only 1-2 hours per stream but Aqua ? if that's not being lazy idk what is

>>27054408
>muh you don't watch streams
not an argument, nutsagi

the only thing aqua pandered for and helped with were the zhangs
she contributed to NOTHING to the actual boom of hololive, whether people like it or not it was EOPs who put them on the map
if it weren't for them hololive wouldn't have gotten this big
aqua useless ass should've stayed as a sacrifice for china and kept there

>>27055015
Ogey

>>27054913
?? I'm cleasly not a cucksagi

>>27055249
Clearly*

>>27054248
>t.EOP twittard

>>27049170
This is almost completely contrary to my experience. Almost every time there is shitposting about Hololive stagnating or Holos getting lazy, Suisei gets usually brought up as a counterexample. Although it tends to come in the form of "she's actually doing the idol thing of constantly having a dream and a goal she is actively working towards" which might admittedly be a crucial difference. It's not like she is seen as hard worker per se, but as someone who is constantly striving and moving forwards. I've even seen the proverbial nijiniggers make this exception for Suisei so it's a sentiment that's not even contained within the Holo fanbase. Also from what I've seen Suiseifags have traditionally had a reputation as mild-mannered (when not numberfagging album sales or song views) normies, which does mean there aren't any unicorns, but also that they mind their own business rather than anti anyone or anything.

>>27054248
Why do you enjoy being cucked?
Were you touched when you were a child or something?

>>27052527
You wish 35pagpag.
>>27051520
My chicken is still warm as far as I know, thanks for asking 35piss
>>27051815
Indeed I am, Sherlock...
Damn the 35tards are absolutely oblivious to what their pink whore actually is, that's kind of insane in more than a way to be that retarded.

>>27059060
Keep going please, I find your chimp out quite amusing.

>>27048112
your insane ramblings are an eternal source of entertainment

lol look at all the eops and SEAniggers arguing about chubbas they 100% dont watch and understand and only know from clips i love this board.

>>27059060
Yeah yeah keep heating on them cold chikkin poosagi, enjoy being cucked. Oh btw YWNBAW

>>27059060
why so mad?

I totally agree with the list, nips really do know better. The only reason I don't complain about Coco not being in it it's because she graduated. Personally I'd add Korone instead of Suisei, but that would be only my personal opinion. Again, the list is irrefutable.

>>27059060
post tits

>>27060071
Noutranny is always mad, that's his default state.

>>27048112
Brown subhuman hands typed this post.
Come back to /jp/ faggot we miss you there.

>>27033788
Why do they hate the dog? Did she say something negative about Taiwan or something?

>>27060814
does it only come shitpost here when it gets banned on /jp/ or what?

>>27024610
CCV's Gura's main strength. Her unannounced 3D stream already got 1m ccv

>>27061250
>1m ccv
Anon, I...

>>27061136
Naah he's just some SEAmonkey who shows up during big events and Pekora/Miko streams.
Seeing so many 35p in the same thread triggers him so he shitpost with his terrible SEA vocabulary.

>>27049805
Nice headcanon

>>27039601
she was literally the face of the company for quite a while. She isn't so much a crucial pillar anymore as much as part of the foundation now.

>>27028840
this is how you know its a seanig typing.

The sole pillar of HoloLive!

>>27038625
Nah, Migo gone would be devastating for everyone. She is a light in Hololive and a core of the box, on top of being an excellent proven organizer.

>>27054248
Nice reddit comic, tranny

>>27022920
Not anymore, hasn't been that way since a long while.

Fubuki you can argue with influence inside the company (She used to be the emotional/moral support and inspiration to a lot of members, Subaru included)

but Subaru stole that role herself.

>>27054248
upvoted

>>27062977
Go ahead and tell me why it's headcanon, I want to know which angle you're coming from so I can tell which archetype of shitposter you are

>>27058250
Normies are only mild-mannered when there isn't drama to rubberneck. There's a reason her fanbase is as normalfag heavy as it is. Anti-unicornism and normalfaggotry are positively correlated and they always have been anon. The actual mild-mannered fans are the ones that shut the fuck up during drama, which usually excludes full on normalfags since it's rare to see a normalfag who has ever said "you know, the unicorns have a point"

>>27028324
Subaru literally stopped migo from retiring you absolute faggot.

Gen 2 would just be off the map without her too, Choco-sen would be the only tardwranggler left in that gen but she would be too lazy to bother.

Aqua is autistic while Ayame and Shion are always MIA.

>>27039863
Roboco is probably too sweet for Subaru to consider as a daisenpai. feels that way for a lot of members honestly both her and Mel are so easy to approach without the senpai dynamic fucking it up.

>>27066338
Most of holofans in /vt/ mostly come after ENshart wave. No wonder They are fans of Hololive members who just recently rising.

>>27022840
>aqua
doesnt stream
>marine
doesn't stream, whore
>suisei
barely streams, sex

I'd replace them with Sora, Gura and kanata

>>27048959
>I imagine JP fans choosing Aqua and Suisei is more out of respect for how solid, driven and hard-working they are.
Were*
Aqua hasn't been streaming regularly for over a year now due to harrassment campaigns directed at her.
Her legacy is remembered and she gets huge numbers whenever she streams though.
So that's why she made the list.
She is called the nijikiller for a reason too.

>>27050364
>i don't even recall Aqua appear on vtuberfes or vcarnival
she did on vcarnival though lmao

>>27067488
>Still thinks the stream is everything
>Name literal whos

not unironically, kill yourself

>>27039601
>used to be the most subscribed holo
>the biggest holo in b2
She's just taking it easy now

>>27039821
As much as it's logically correct, I hate the idea of opening up to western market
Compared anime to the time when it wasn't really popular in western market and now
Motherfuckers keep barking about grooming and pedo at any sight of characters with loli appearance
And now looked at the vtubers market in western, the same shit is happening

>>27048112
The amount of false info and seething kek

>>27043601

>>27023638
uhmm.. I'm sorry, I'm kinda >new here I have to ask... who is that?

>>27072107
i mean tbf there was a shitload of offensively bad manga and hentai sexualizing children back in the day when I was a teen I had to go and live with my nip grandparents every summer some of this manga you could find in the early 2000's was straight child porn dude.

>>27076649
>child porn
It's a drawing.

>>27048818
>EOP magnet
>Dead Subs Queen
Both completely irrelevant in JP

>>27077486
>>27077486
yea that's why you wont find a fraction of that shit on shelves in any store in JP but keep going on weeb plz enlighten me....compare the manga shelves of a store in 2002 to 2022 and tell me the big difference lmao. Or are you one of those weebs who has no clue how heavily influenced JP has been by the anglosphere since the turn of the century

>>27076649
>hentai
I'm talking about the usual anime that will get aired on tv and hentai is arguably full of morally questioned contents in the first place.
Those shitheads bark about the sexualization of Marin from my dress up darling and said it's grooming when a short manga show the usual childhood friend with big age gap trope.

>>27069351
yeah and ? doesn't change the fact that she is indeed lazy so what's your point anon ?

>>27079840
>the usual childhood friend with big age gap trope.
??

>>27039601
>she's just a member who went viral a few times
>doesn't even know the crucial things she and festival did off stream and how many members she kept from leaving hololive
>lots of members already owe them their careers to her
reddittourist pls go.

>>27025280
Only /#/ pretends that YouTube CCV actually means anything. It's been proven to be an entirely fictional number that has almost no correlation to how many people are actually watching.

>>27064062
nah, Migo can go sick again for months and nothing really changed, it requires many member gone at the same time to affect Hololive

>>27080995
>Boy A is in junior high school
>Girl A is in primary school
>Are neighbors
>Boy A plays with girl A as a good brother figure, earning the title of childhood friend
>Cute shit like girl A saying she will become the wife of boy A in the future
>Years passed and girl A is now a senior high school student, while boy A is already working
>Girl A cooks for boy A and clingy with boy B
And the shitheads called that grooming

>>27078603
What
All I said was that it isn't child porn if it's a drawing

>>27022840
>Do you think this is accurate?
yes

>>27022840
>Hololive pillars
>not Kiara
are you a troll or just plain stupid?

>>27035614
DATTE BOKU WA HOSHI DAKARAAAAAA!!!!!

>>27042484
>>Literaly abandoned everyone she ever collabed with in the past when she became famous.
Feed me with this rat

>>27080833
my point is that your factually incorrect.

>>27086037
literally this

>>27087947
Ignore the schizo, he's the one who posted this too >>27048112

>>27060835
maybe theyre learning to be based and are growing to hate the yuri SHIT

>>27034504
you forgot choco
or, you misspelled coco

>>27087947
I'm not sure if this would count as abandoning, but early Miko used to collab with non Holos, the ones I can remember on top of my head are collabs with several Nijis and an eroge VA, what I'm not sure is whether the collabs happened when she was still in Sakura Miko Project or after she get in to Hololive.
Keep in mind that most HoloJP don't collab much with nonHolos nowadays due to them being busier and collabs with nom Holos required more paperworks

>>27072107
Those people don't matter because they don't put money in, so it really doesn't affect anime or japanese vtubing(or even western vtubers who do whatever they want and aren't chasing twitter fads).

>>27090909
not just Miko, but literally everyone else before gen5 have collab with non-holo back in the days, sometimes males too

>>27091292
>>27090909
We called it corporate mandated collabs

EN and ID are branch offices and are a separate group from the Hololive main office.

>>27088040
about not knowing she appear on vcani ? sure, about she is being lazy ? nah, i'm factually correct and you know it, that's why you try to nitpick to move the goalpost, kek

>>27022840
Its missing Kobo and Gura

>>27094962
OPs pic is more numberfag related but in terms of being an actual pillar then Kobo and Gura are definitely pillars if only because they're the main spearheads for Hololive's overseas expansion. Gura being the most subbed vtuber also makes her one of Covers crown jewels even if she is nowhere close to leading the pack in CCV. Kind of like how Ai being the most subbed vtuber during her time probably brought her a ton of deals and prestige despite being long past her prime.

>>27088879
Not the same unfortunately 35tard, but I totally agree with the other anon.