/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>26886372
Manifest destiny

>>26886372
Open the country, de gozaru

>>26886372
I hate burgers so much it's unreal

reminder that douglas macarthur is a descendant of perry and he requested the ship and flag perry used to be present in japan's surrender purely just to fuck with them

>>26886372
not a vtuber

>>26886706
Stop having it closed desuwa.

>>26886372
is this Georj Washington post?

>>26886372
How does Japan feel towards America with what is taught in school? The more I learn about burger x jap relations the more it seems we've just fucked them over a lot.

>>26886706
>>26887410
got a chuckle out of me

>>26888647
They basically lived in mud huts before this and realized they ain't shit when knowledge from Rangaku showed how ass backwards they are.

>>26886372
Anyone have a link to the Perry vtuber

>>26886372
magic

>>26886372
teasing ENs in hologra

>>26886372
Saying they love BBC

B ig
B lack
C Boats

>>26886372
It’s just JP’s anti western sentiments leaking out again.

>>26886751
seethe

As persuasive as the guns were, Cdre. Perry was also just an ornery fucker. Even the way he looks, you know he must an unpleasant man to have to deal with. He's always pictured like this >>26886372, with a frown, but that's just his neutral expression.

>>26889413
what VN

Xavier vtuber when?

>>26886372
open the country

stop having it be closed

>>26886372
LET ME IN

Lmao silly japs still mad that Perry had them open their shores to le baka gaijin!!!

>>26903030
Mad? they think this guy is a hero though.

>>26903030
>>26903606
>they think this guy is a hero
It's a little more nuanced than just "hero", because the treaties he forced on them were pretty bad. He is definitely not viewed as a villain, and the Japanese are definitely not mad about him. The Tokugawa bakufu is not seen as some enlightened leadership of a golden era that ought have continued.

>>26886372
This is not first time i saw this guy in vtuber content https://youtu.be/owD2ZVevgMc

>>26886372
i'm not educated on it all but basically it's a reference to the foreign ships that arrived to Japan, earlier from europe such as Portugal, but later and more significantly from American, who basically intimidated Japan into ending their self-imposed isolation and eventually into trade negotiations with the western world.

cheers.

>>26905354
it was also hilarious that Americans basically saved Japan from becoming Qing China

>>26905341 (me)
This one more convincing with live2D rigging https://youtu.be/tIZ8d1m9u-0

>>26904732
Well if they arent actually salty about the strong-arming then I take back what I said, figured that they'd despise someone that negatively affected their isolated culture + with how xenophobic some nippons are

>>26905489
so does this mean ultra-nationalist Japanese love or hate Perry?

>they did change our nation permanently
>but y'know, we're still Japanese

>>26905572
>>26905700
>negatively affected their isolated culture + with how xenophobic some nippons are
You can definitely find at least SOME ultranationalists who are buttmad about literally anything, and Perry is no exception. It is just nowhere near common. A subset of a subset.

Would Japan even be where it is now without absorbing western innovations and technology into their culture? Thank us for making vtubers a possibility the next time you see someone whine about EOP's

>>26886879
I'm surprised it was still in operational status.

>>26905770
I see, I guess I shouldn't have jumped the gun so much, it's a bit weird seeing how Japanese people perceive american figures I guess

>>26901019
Ikinari Anata ni Koishiteiru
He's also in Wonderful Everyday.

>>26905815
>Thank us for making vtubers a possibility
>us
You didn't do shit. You weren't alive.
As for making fun of EOPs? I wasted years of my life to get to a barely-passable level of Japanese, and the only consolation I get is to make fun of EOPs. I will never give that up.

>>26903030
There was definite anti-Western sentiment at the time but that passed pretty damn quickly with the Meiji Restoration. A diplomat was there at the start, came back 10 years later, and said it was like 2 different worlds. He said on his first visit he said, "I distinctly remember the middle ages", and 10 years later he comes back, everyone is wearing western clothes, the average educated person is speaking pretty good english, and now all their conversations were about "bullion, battleships, and spheres of influence".

>>26899907
It's more that everyone uses the exact same photo of him as reference.

>>26906024
The JP chuubas and fans will never accept you, they still see you as a kaigainiki commodity and not one of their actual fans

>>26906217
Did you think that would be new information to me?
I know the score. That is why I cling to a petty, misplaced sense of superiority.

>>26904732
What? The Japanese don't regard historic events as something you apply a good or evil stamp? As something that you should be for or against instead of knowledgable and conscious about? As something you use to engage in performative moral histrionics in the public space? Why are they so behind our 22nd century enlightment?

How Japan reacted to the black ships event was such a clever move. 50 years later they obliterated not only the Pacific Russian fleet but also the Baltic one (after a journey of 28.000 km, Hitler was Right about Slavs kek), becoming basically the most powerful country in the region (China was in shambles despite their abismaly high population, literally almost zero offensive power). Such a pity that they got too cocky and got nuked, but Japan is truly an amazing country

>>26906353
Damn... that's depressing man. :(

>>26906374
I agree, they made the right move in embracing the advancements that the western powers made for their own gain, really shouldnt have gotten cocky enough to think they could wipe out the US though...

>>26906620
Nvm I take back the wiping out the US part since they certainly wouldn't have planned on being able to do that, but thinking that they could push us to favorable terms on their part was kind of retarded.

>>26906620
Actually Japan had a higher chance of forcing the USA to sign a peace treaty than Germany doing the same with the Soviet Union. At the point of declaring war Japan was just trapped at China, despite easily invading the main regions of the country they couldn't force China into surrendering due to how huge China is (but unlike the soviets, they barely had enough resources to kick out the nips). In Midway the Americans had huge luck, an AI made thousands of simulations and the outcome that actually happened was an extremely unlikely scenario. If Midway was favorable to the Japanese the war at the Pacific would had been an stalemate for a year or so at least

>>26906620
>>26906946
Agreed, Japan could have drawn out the Pacific war in a dozen alternative scenarios, but it there was a ticking clock as the European war wound down. Russia broke its nonaggression pact with Japan early, but even if they didn't violate it, it often goes forgotten that it was only a 5-year agreement, and would have expired later in 1945 anyway. Stalin never met a territory he didn't covet, and so even if the US was stymied in the Pacific, a Russian dogpile would have eventually been overwhelming.

>>26906369
But Japan does this all the time, just about things THEY care about.

>>26906946
Here's the problem with this: no one outside of the high command of the Japanese Navy, including the Army, knew that Japan lost Midway until after the war was over. It'd be bad for the US if we lost but Japan for the most part didn't even know the battle happened.

>>26888647
>How does Japan feel towards America with what is taught in school? The more I learn about burger x jap relations the more it seems we've just fucked them over a lot.
You don't know the worst of it. Yes. Worse than 2 nukes.
Watch
>Princes of the Yen
documentary on yt.
Then you will understand.

>>26886372
based commodore just wanted some vtuber pussy

It seems pretty obviously to be a joke at the expense of Japan, that if it weren't for Perry, they'd still have outdated-types like Iroha running around. I will never understand how Japan simultaneously thinks they have any self-respect while always worshipping Perry.

>>26909763
Because only with a whole lot of humility can a country recognize they were wrong to the level of agreeing with Perry in that situation.

>>26886751
yeah sorry for electricity and internet seabro...

Japan open up I'm bringing you lemonade and steam powered trains.

>>26886372
Isn't it odd that Sui made a Perry joke a week before the Hologra dropped?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arIbXeCGIow&t=251s

>>26910771
Yeah, I guess I will never understand justifying evils done against you because you like the end-results. That same mentality is why they accept being America's bitch to this day and it will be their downfall in the end. You can see Japan triumphed in the end due to Perry's actions without turning Perry into a folk hero.

>>26886372
>matthew perry wanted japan to open up so americans could exploit it
>i want japan to open up so americans (me) can exploit it (rape holoJP members)
hes literally me

>>26911475
oh and don't forget the negros and lgtv...

>>26886372
OPEN UP

>>26912184
Yeah, all those 50 negros in all of Japan.

>>26886372
Watch that one Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei episode for context.

>>26911966
lol USA is floundering while Japan flourishing.
They only accept well behaved immigrant and only get minimum woke there
Also this comment feel right after Diablo Immortal got banned in China

>>26916010
Japan is already nationally representing themselves with Negros who weren't even raised in their culture. It's over.

>>26886372
I wonder who voiced Perry

>>26886879
That's pretty based, tbqhwyphamalamborghini

>>26916222
You sure about that one? I don't think culture matters when the yen is dropping harder than both nukes

>>26886751
Just don't eat them then

>>26886372
What's with the stupid wheel? It's a boat.

>>26906620
They didn't do it because they were cocky, they thought if they didn't then their economy would implode as they didn't have adequate export markets to keep their economy going. They were right by the way.

>>26886879
>douglas macarthur is a descendant of perry
Not a direct descendant. MacArthur was descended from one of Perry's cousins. Still close enough for the effect to be the same, but it's not like he was Perry's grandson or anything.

>>26928908
Don't forget the US issuing an embargo on exports to Japan, and freezing assets in the US. That may be fine: it is a nation's right to not do business with another, but it also meant that Japan was pushed into an ever-more-desperate need to conquer additional parts of East and Southeast Asia to get access to raw materials that the US would no longer sell them.

What's the first Perry reference you've caught in Japanese media? For me, it was Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei

>>26886571
>>26886751
>>26886879

GOD BLESS AMERICA

>>26931762

>>26906374
attacking pearl harbor was objectively the most retarded decision possible
but yeah japan and mongolia are like the 2 asian peoples that actually have a history of warriorship and conquest, the rest of east asia is literally just slavish peasant farmers with millenia histories of being constantly conquered by stronger peoples
it wouldve been so based if the japanese empire successfully colonised most of south east asia

>>26886372
They saw the /here/ and /there/ memes

>>26886372
who?

>>26932088
>attacking pearl harbor was objectively the most retarded decision possible
America was itching for war and was doing literally everything humanly possible to harm the japanese and starve them out to the point where the Japanese, 100% unironically believed that if they sailed past the Philippines with Oil from indochina that they would be blockaded or attacked in a surprise worse than pearl harbor.
Keep in mind america already was sending volunteer air forces to China to fight against Japanese planes in April, months before pearl harbour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Tigers

In their mind it was Cripple the Americans or wait for them to bomb us before the war even starts.
America was also looking for every excuse imaginable to declare war on Germany as well but The magic mustache was so god damn well behaved with America despite provocation that it took the Japanese to start it.
And you damn well know those Aircraft carriers were sent out on "Training" knowing full well what would happen

>>26932380
they couldve easily just pulled a false flag lusitania 2 out of their ass if they wanted to that seems a little excessive if they just wanted to declare war on germany
but maybe they also wanted to gain territory in SEA anyway idk

>>26933007
The vast majority of americans were very against the war
Like, they were already pushing "OMG THE HOLOCAUST" in newspapers and the average american citizen didn't give a fuck
They needed something big

>>26932380
Kek unironic imperial japan apologist

>>26933007
>The vast majority of americans were very against the war
True in general. However, public opinion is never fully coherent, and people were sympathetic to China. Most people didn't want to do anything about it, not go to war, but they felt bad, hence the aid to China that >>26932380 described. Not unlike Ukraine of the present: nobody wants to go to war for them, but a lot of people feel bad about it, so the public is generally supportive of "sending aid" in an abstract sense. You know, just aid to help them with a war, because that's not actually war, right?

Additionally, the particular journalism of that era in the US was feeding people war porn about Japan's conquest of China. I am not pointing to anything as false (or as true), but more to the style: the reporting used extremely dramatized writing, because that kept people buying papers. It laid the groundwork for seeing the Japanese as something beyond aggressors, as irrationally brutal, so that when Pearl Harbor came the public already had a background attitude of "Well we had heard they were madmen!"

>>26933155
okay just some cursory reading i can see why the us wanted war with japan
diplomatic relations with japan were already tense even before the war after nanking, during the war the japan invaded french indochina and dutch east indies and were clearly planning to take the phillipines, but it was retarded for them to try to threaten us assets in SEA in the first place

>>26933931
panay incident and allison incident didnt help either
but im certain the latter wouldve been a nothingburger if not for the press at the time