/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2667068
They should have a section called Hololive Mental Asylum.

>>2667068
If they join after the 3rd gen, they are making the conscious decision to be idols. And the first two gens are mostly all for being idols. There’s no need for a division where there isn’t one in the first place.

>>2667068
Because songs, big appearances, merch, and skits make much more money than just streaming.

>>2667138
The thought of a busted NEET like Ina signing up to sing and dance is hilarious and life giving.

>>2667068
Idols can collab with males too, anon, sorry to say that. Fubuki is obviously closer to an ideal "idol" than Marine or Noel. Even Festival is more of an ideal idol than Marine, and this is saying as someone who likes all of them. Bruh even Sora interacts with males all the time.

>>2667203
They can still do the Merch and skits stuff even if they do choose to do only gaming stuff. The reason why I ask the question in the first place is because of the continued restrictions by Cover in terms of content. This is only my opinion but, I feel that some of them wouldn't have to worry about that shit if they decide not to get involved with the Idol side of the business.

>>2667068
hololive was branded an idol agency after 2nd gen; everyone who auditioned from 3rd gen onwards knew what they were getting into.

>>2667266
She's a hikki, not a neet.

>>2667068
>and one for pure gaming
its called being an indie or a vshitter
honestly why would you watch Hololive if you wanted to watch sluts?

>>2667266
Ina is not a neet, she's literally a world-level commercial artist and she's not even 30.

>>2667566
Maybe because I don’t think people collabing with males are sluts?

>>2667492
>>2667643
frenly fire takos. I meant hikki.

>>2667844
Alright, you're forgiven

>>2667713
This! I don't get why people get butthurt over pretend anime girls collabing with their male talent. Another reason why there should be two sections to Hololive.

>>2668015
Where do you think Matuli should be in? She collabed with males but is also fairly invested in being an idol and far better at it than most later generations who have gachikois ready to screech whenever there's a slightest indication someone with a cock is going to appear on their screen

How about Fubuki? She's literally an original hologamer and collab with males but her appearance in stream in general conforms better to "seiso idol" style than, again, most of the later gens

>>2667266
EN and ID are pretty much exceptions to the idol stuff.

>>2667094
After the wacthing the meltdown this girls had over Mario Kart of all things, im gonna agree.

>>2668431
Not that anon, but Friend is a pretty special case in that she's very idol-like while despising idol culture with a passion. Didn't she tardwrangle the unicorns early when they tried to get her to stay away from the Stars?

Dunno. People say they're idols but some (a lot) of them are horrible singers and put out terrible music. I barely give a shit about the idol nonsense save for the few who put out a decent song or karaoke every once in a while. If Cover really cared about the idol shit they'd hire people with that kind of talent.

>>2668770
I like the idol nonsense, brings in a lot of drama.

>>2668431
Festival is Gen 1, where things were very hands off for Cover. Gen 3 is where the rules started coming in. And even then a lot of it is supported by the idols themselves. For example, Noel admits she wont interact with Holostars of her own choice. If the joined after precedents like that had been established then they knew what they were getting into. If they don't like Cover's rules that have grown the company as large as it is, then they should have just kept being indies with no viewers.

>>2668681
Friend is pretty based yeah but I disagree on her "hating idol culture". Being idols shouldn't mean getting mentally ill people pester on you just because you're playing a game with a dude. Hell Sora interacts with males all the time. What exactly about doing that makes her a whore?

The current holo culture is an unfortunate toxic side effect of parasocial relationship fostered by streamer culture meets Hololive's idol aesthetic. People then try to justify this mental illness with "They advertise themselves as idols so I don't want them to be whores!"

>>2668770
According to the company statements, I think they are an idol-like entertainment company. Key word is "like". Idol is the base guidelines, but even then their main purpose is just entertainment. It has the downside of attracting unicorns, but it lets them regulate their stuff enough to be "new" to the westernfags used to Melody-like western streamers (not criticizing her, but many cheap sluts just barely try to copy her thinking it's the key to the big bucks).

>>2668872
That's about all it's good for if you're into that kind of thing.

>>2668918
>toxic
Into the trash it goes.
Just in case you're being serious
>Being idols shouldn't mean getting mentally ill people pester on you just because you're playing a game with a dude
Japanese idol culture is exactly that, which is why Fubuki and some other vtubers sick of it like Lulu are against it. Are you aware of Towa's big yab?
>They advertise themselves as idols so I don't want them to be whores
Nothing wrong with this. Case in point, the CEO of Seiso. She sometimes lets slip unseiso stuff, but it's the contrast that makes it cute. That's what (I believe) the average anon dislikes about the majority of western streamers. They think sexual jokes go everywhere and not in context.
Feel free to tell me why my opinion a shit.

>>2668918
>The current holo culture is an unfortunate toxic side effect of parasocial relationship fostered by streamer culture meets Hololive's idol aesthetic.
Redditors say this all the time, but I've never seen any of them show a legitimate example of this happening. The Hololive girls stream every day, basically without incident. Nobody is getting harassed by psychopathic idol fans openly. The Towa incident was made much worse than it would have been because she lied about it. The Aloe incident had nothing to do with idol culture either. The Pekora menstruation thing was a nothingburger blown out of proportion by a small group of schizos on twitter, the entire rest of the community just laughed at them. There's this enormous straw man that you retards have created, an enemy that doesn't even exist. All because you don't know Japanese and don't fucking watch streams.

>>2668951
That makes sense

>>2667068
Nobody on this site understands what idols are, especially idolfags

>>2669249
But you do, right anon?

>>2668770
Being good at singing has never been a requirement for being an idol. You can comb through all the former and current members of both Hello Project and the 48G and you'll only find a handful that even pass the decent line of singing and even fewer who were good/great singers.

>>2669204
Anon, it’s a time bomb, get ready for the day somebody finds out rushia has a boyfriend.

>>2669351
Yeah I'm just saying personally that's why I don't give a fuck. I've never liked many idols because I actually like good music and most of them are not good. Hololive has some cool streamers though.

Money from unicorn whales>>>>interacting with minor male streamers who are ugly nerds for the most part.

If they want to be with guys they can do it in a private way to have their cake and eat it too. It's a no brainer and I'm not sure why people don't see this.

>>2669416
I'm not gonna speak for fandead who know more, but I've heard that Rushia's codependency with her fans is a result of a failure to find romance over a long period of time. That aside, saying "well, one day it'll all blow up" doesn't mean anything for the redditors who pretend like every day is a constant battle with this ever-present "toxic idol culture." They think because they have rules that they pretty much enforce themselves, that there's this evil culture suppressing them, it's just Western cultural imperialism. They think these poor, poor, girls need to be saved from the clutches of the evil idol fans.

>>2669640
>If they want to be with guys they can do it in a private way to have their cake and eat it too.
I agree with this but most people are not as reasonable as you are. They want them to avoid men altogether for their tenure as a Holo.

>>2669731
I was kinda arguing why the idol schtick should stick since it is the most profitable and that people arguing against it are retarded.

>>2669149
I don't see anything wrong with wanting idols to be idols. I don't even find any problem with rooting out genuine VShojolike whores. My problem is with people using "idol culture" to sperg out over nothing. Idolfags irl regularly disparaged other idolfags they thought went too far too.

Tbh the thing about Holo's brand of idol culture is that it actually lacks precedent, and as the result some Holo's idolfags are being hypocritical about it. Very few purityfags will say Marine's horny pandering or openly fantasizing about wanting to fuck males she barely knew in front of gachikois violating "idol culture" as long as she doesn't interact with vtuber males at all. It's a bizarre standard because if anything the opposite is in all likelihood what's going to happen in IRL idol cultures.

Here's the thing about idols. You're not supposed to go in expecting talented singers and dancers. Modern idols are pretty much "diamond in the rough" entertainers selling an image based in parasociality. They have a dream they're trying to achieve, you as the fan are there to cheer and support them on their journey. They're basically representatives of the "light" of humanity, carriers of the hopes and dreams of the people, working hard so they can "shine" on stage, whatever stage that may be.

>>2669881
I think it makes sense for them to keep the idol image but I think it's overstepping when people want to place limitations on their personal lives outside of being an entertainer.

>>2669640
Yes, of course it's profitable.

So is pandering to EOPs. So is building codependent relationship with your fans like chikin. So what, exactly? People criticize genuine moneymaking scenes here all the time. My beef here is probably less with Cover and the talents who just followed the money to where it goes and more with people who unironically think collabing with males makes you a whore and not idol-like.

>>2669971
Exactly.

>>2670127
This. Things are only the way they are because of the mentally ill fanbase. However, the company and talents did not need to follow that route. I understand why they do it though.

>>2670127
Anon, unicornfags are hated everywhere around here. Yes, I'm aware of the hypocrisy given that Amegeddon was a thing.

>>2669971
It's just nip american idol.
I follow independents for this experience instead.

>>2670070
Unicorn niggers are mental and should be treated as kids and kept away from sharp objects. All a girl has to do is claim that she doesn't have irl contact with males and they will eat it up, like Rushia.

>>2670127
The payoff for collabing with holostars is pretty minimal so I don't see the incentive outside of pissing unicorns on purpose so they fuck off. These girls can't change reality unless they make an effort to purge unicorns. I don't blame them for taking the easy route that happens to be a better business move.

>>2670223
Those Gosling nigs were amazing lolcows for most of the posters.

>>2670212
If I was a holo I would just avoid males so some schizo doesn't decide to make a skin suit out of me for betraying him. Think of Unicorn akasupas and gachikois as hazard pay.

>>2670223
>>2670278
>>2670357
What exactly is your definition of unicorn? There's a broad range between people who prefer not to pay for a condom fund and an actual psycho who would murder his oshi for interacting with a man.

>>2670445
Someone that likes the fantasy that their oshi is a virgin and doesn't interact with males outside pure necessity. People who prefer not to pay for a condom fund need to chill out and look inside themselves, they aren't too far gone.

>>2667068
>He didn't read the Bloom concert website
Cover lets them be idols if they consider themselves idols, which I think all of them do. The talents can just say they're no longer idols and still be part of cover.

>>2667068
>Why can't Cover just divide their Hololive division into two parts? One for idol stuff, and one for pure gaming
They tired that and it was (almost) a total disaster

>>2670223
>He thinks everyone was affected by Amegeddon

>>2670445
Unicorns are by definition fundamentally delusional. You don't know vtubers' personal life at all so if you donate akasupas only because you think she's a virgin then you're delusional. This isn't even me being unnecessarily hostile to unicorns, it's just a self-defined thing.

>>2670623
It was mostly a few goslings and a lot of people laughing at them while enjoying the shitstorm. I thought it was great and I'm glad Ame doesn't post here to see it since she'd join in on shitting on those fucks.

I think a lot of people are jealous western v tubers don't have what it takes to be an idol.

>>2670526
Every society in history outside of the last 70 years has elevated a woman's virginity as a virtuous concept. The preference for virgin women is rooted in the core of humanity. If someone likes the fantasy that their oshi is a virgin, they are well within their rights, and given virginity rates in Japan, as well as the fact that vtubers are a selection of weirdos that have spent 5-15 years streaming, especially in Hololive, it's not even delusional to believe certain members could be virgins. The older members, sure, it's way more delusional to believe they've never had a relationship. The same can't be said about the younger ones. Personally, I've come to terms with the fact that I will never be with my oshi, and I want her to be happy, so while it would make me sad, she should be free to find happiness in a relationship. That being said, the odds that she's not a virgin and in a relationship at the moment are fairly low.

Thing is that you don't really have to appeal to the purityfags/unicorns to be successful as an idol. Let's take a real world example: Sashihara Rino. She joined AKB48 in 2008, got caught up in a scandal with an alleged ex-boyfriend in 2012, got demoted to HKT48, turned HKT48 into a powerhouse, quickly became the face of the entire 48G franchise, ended up winning yearly fan election four times (most of any member in 48G history), all while also publicly criticizing the dark parts of the idol industry.

>>2670826
As if I care about the actor playing my oshi. I just hope she stays healthy physically and mentally and continues to put a good effort for my enjoyment.

>>2670877
But the easy route is to milk the mentally ill and not everyone has that sort of charisma and drive. It's low effort and high award. I notice the more mentally ill roommates lean in on it and the saner ones shut it down.

>>2670887
>actor

I don't even understand why some people want them to collab with men so badly. Who cares.

>>2670936
Fair enough. At the end of the day, it's up to each of the individual talents on what kind of idol they want to be and what kind of fanbase they want to foster.

>>2670962
Okay, roommate. Still means the same thing, someone is playing the role of my oshi.

>>2670989
It's a small, highly vocal group of SEAmonkeys. For some reason they are obsessed with getting the girls to collab with the holostars. It's bizarre. I don't even mind when they do collab, but pushing for it so hard just makes it seem like you're into it or some weird shit.

>>2671005
this is literally what people have been trying to say from day one but you faggots are more concerned about muh collabs than actually thinking with your fucking brains

>>2671035
That's not what I meant, it's not arguable at this point that they're characters being played by actors, they're streaming as themselves with a bit of character context and an avatar. This is evident from consistencies from their past lives as well.

>>2671050
But if one holo does a collab I don't like it'll burn down the entire company overnight

>>2671036
Not a SEAnigger here just wanted to see yurifags and purityfags seething. Friend's shit last year was gold but obviously not all talents can/want to pull the same thing

>>2671076
Probably more accurate to say that VTubers are a projected/extended persona of the person behind the screen. Not too far off from the various masks people switch around in their day-to-day life depending on who they're around.

>>2671177
Pretty much. There's obviously some who are more in-character but most just take it easy.

>>2671076
As long as there is an anime avatar between me and them they are different entities. This is non-negotiable. People put on work masks all the time. Daniel Day-Lewis, an actor, is notorious for actually becoming his role in all aspects.

>>2671281
These girls aren't A list actors. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary, actually. Many of them are so bad at acting it's used for comedic effect. You're simply choosing to ignore reality. Not sure why, either. What's wrong with them streaming as themselves with the anonymity of an avatar?

>>2671168
So the people that want them to collab with men are either SEA with a weird fetish or trolls?

>>2671281
Honestly this is ironically enough the most healthy way to look at it, this way you don't form any sort of parasocial relationships with any of them since you see them as Anime girls, good for you Anon

>>2670936
>I notice the more mentally ill roommates lean in on it and the saner ones shut it down
Ah yeah, sane people like Matsuri.

>>2671331
there are also people who are fans of both hololive and holostars who thought it'd be interesting to see them interact anon. it's not a big deal per se obviously but shitting on unicorns is just a normal, healthy thing to do regardless

>>2671005
Yah but that’s how it’s going to turn out. Everyone debuting now and in the future from JP will not be able to choose and is automatically required to be pure. There is no choice because purityfagging has delved itself to the core. I mean the only person that interacts semi-regularly with males after gen 3 is towa who lost her purityfags after the yab, she would not have been able to collab with males if she didn’t have this yab.

>>2671606
I have to admit that Coco purityfags are somewhat confusing

>>2671569
She breaches the boundaries of mentally ill, truly a revolutionary of her time

>>2671642
Coco isn’t interesting enough to not bank off the mentally ill.

>>2671580
Given how few people actually watch Holostars those people can't make up very many of the people pushing for this.

>>2671708
Like half of them are pulling more than Anya/Iofi which I guess says more about those two than the stars.

>>2671757
Turns out being a homeless man is more attractive to viewers than Indonesian women.

>>2667068
>Why can't Cover just divide their Hololive division into two parts? One for idol stuff, and one for pure gaming?
Both them and Niji tried and they realized it was retarded so they just merged their gaming branches witht the rest of the company

>>2671606
Nobody is required to do anything, the JP girls choose to maintain a pure idol image for the most part. The key is your behavior from the outset. If you debut and act pure and seiso, but then choose to go back on that in a meaningful way, how is it the audience's fault when they suddenly are given something they never asked for? It's not the same thing as Matsuri acting cutesy and then being a degenerate later on.

>>2671317
I don't know these people and I don't pretend like I do because I will watch a few of their streams. They could be genuine or playing around but it's all the same, unverifiable. Maybe some of their idiosyncrasies leak in but it isn't the same thing as their true personality. I will never think I know anything about them unless I met one and even then I would be able to see them as people and not an extension of the chuuba. People that act like they know these people piss me off.

>>2671580
Did you even read the thread? Wanting an idol to be a virgin has nothing to do with not wanting them to collab with males while in character.

I don't want them to collab with males because the idea of some fag behind a male anime avatar is unappealing and that will be in the back of my head throughout the experience. I just don't find males appealing. He can fuck all the menhera roommates he wants, I just think male vtubers are laughable as a concept and will always feel silly for some guy to do it.

Well this just devolved into yet another shithole where faggots can't see beyond collabs

>>2668913
>If they don't like Cover's rules that have grown the company as large as it is, then they should have just kept being indies with no viewers.
you know thats not going to happen

>>2667068
>Why can't Cover just divide their Hololive division into two parts?
Kayfabe streamers and the non kayfabe

>>2667068
>and one for pure gaming
They have one, it's called Nijisanji

>>2667068
Don't real life idols regularly interact and collab with males all the time?