/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>25946822
Have a heart to heart with her about how men like feminine women. You're not going to be an uncle at this rate.

assuming those cosplayers aren’t just hopping on the trend for clicks and likes then I would say a lot of girls do

>>25946822
Sorry, she's pregnant with my child and doesn't have time to indulge in your weird arrested development anime waifu babysitters club bullshit.

Copy pasta thread
You don't have a sister

>>25946822
Does it matter? You've got a little sister, dude. See if you can fuck her. If she's too young, then just wait until she's legal and start grooming her in the mean time.

>>25946822
You already posted this

>>25946981
woman here

it’s not that all of us dislike femininity, but hololives form of expressing femininity is so artificial and obviously fake for male attention that it’s cringey to any normal woman. i guarantee you they are nothing like that off stream.

>>25947095

>>25946822
Should have shown her holostars or nijimales, you dun goofed.

>>25947095
cope

>>25947095
>>25946822
>there are people here who literally think the content on YouTube Shorts is better than Hololive

>>25947095
>expressing femininity is so artificial and obviously fake for male attention that it’s cringey to any normal woman. i guarantee you they are nothing like that off stream.
This is exactly how I imagined most women see it, which is why I don't really see how chicks can be into Hololive when it's built entirely on exploiting lonely men. Unless they're gay and want to munch on some snatch, but still.
Holostars does the exact same thing for women. At the end of the day, Cover is a business, after all.

>>25946822
Is this a monthly thread?

>>25946822
Me

>>25947514
Show tits or btfo

>>25946822
When I went to ACen, about 1/3 of the audience at the Gura/Bae panel was women, and the DD concert was pretty similar.

>>25946822
Astronomically low but they do exist

>>25946822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6UP_6lAWXI
quit breaching containment

>>25946822
Most ENs have 7-8% female viewers

>>25947095
Woman here

Shut up I like cute girls. Go back to scliking it to Vox because I'm sure that whoever your oshi is he is very genuine and not at all fake

>>25947185
That's an even worse idea. Male vtubers can only be popular in places like china or japan that have a very different culture than the west. I don't see even fujos liking nijimales in the west. The male vtuber concept is creepy, weird and offputting to almost any woman.
Cute girls, on the other hand, have a much broader and, dare I day, universal appeal. Everyone likes cute girls (though maybe not anime ones in particular, due to various reasons).

>>25946822
Pippa Phase connect
she play roblox and watch pokemon videos

>>25946822
>She says it's cringe
Aren't we all glad that female opinions do not matter at all?

>>25948105
>>25947095
taking estrogen doesn't make you a woman cope

>>25947048
>>25947065
youre going to jail

>>25947095
Maybe the problem is you and your "femininity" then.

>>25948105
anon i don’t watch any male vtubers but nice try though.

>>25948495
no you’ve just never spoke to a woman outside your computer screen
cope

>>25947095
Tits or GTFO

>>25949164
I've literally had kids
Sounds like a you problem if you're not feminine enough to be likable

>>25946822
You should have recommended Nijisanji and VShojo instead.

There is a reason women were far more feminine when all of society was focused around Men doing work and females being female at home with Men holding all of the power in both society and homestead.

Females are a male construct.

>>25949192
ask your mom to share
we swapped pics last night

>>25949337
if men have all the power why do women get to stay home?

I've long thought that if a girl talked like a typical vtuber ALL the time, other girls would bully her.

>>25947997
That actually doesn't sound bad at all.

>>25947095
how are you not in awe of their skill though? when i see a sleazy pick up artist with a ton of girls i would still be interested in seeing how he does it.

why don't you wanna learn what makes weebs coom?

>>25949523
A few do, like Ars. And yes, they do get bullied.

>>25946822
My girlfriend thought vtubers were cringe. Then the Rushia thing happened and I told her about it because she likes retarded gossip. She looked up a clip of Kiara reacting to Rushia's firing and now she watches Kiara.
Too be fair, her personality is close to Kiara's.

>>25949635
So you watch Vox streams just to see what makes women cream their pants?

>>25949786
Being born with his voice?
Because I can tell you that women aren't attracted by his FNAF autism or lack of a spine. His flip flop on the parasocial issue made him bleed viewers.

>>25949786
yes?

>>25949786
>>25949880
In the first place he's not very popular in English speaking regions. Off the top of my head, Shu does way better with English speakers. There're a ton of Western girls that find Vox absolutely disgusting

>>25947095
Ywnbaw.
Fuck off tranny.

>>25946822
there are no women on /vt/

>>25946822
Rape your sister op.

No, the roastie is right. Even I as a male cringe sometimes.
The problem is that the "seiso rules" infantilize them. They are not allowed to speak about their sexuality, about politics, or anything controversial or challenging. They are like little children.

No wonder intelligent heterosexual women can't look up to them.

>>25947095
Show them tits, you know the rules bb

>>25947095
>hololives form of expressing femininity is so artificial and obviously fake for male attention
genuinely asking, what the fuck does this even mean

>>25949993
Go to the vox thread, there are plenty there, not to mention all the 2views and even some big corpos that lurk this place

>>25950058
>They are not allowed to speak about their sexuality, about politics, or anything controversial or challenging. They are like little children.
GOOD, I don't want to hear women's opinions about ANY of that shit. Universal suffrage was a mistake.

>>25947095
So? Im not trying to date this woman or even have a conversation with her. Shes just being cute for entertainment. The fuck is wrong with that?

>>25949993
That would be almost everyone in /asp/ and the Sana anti threads.
>>25950071
Tangible examples of what they mean include Rushia, and Lamy as of recently.

>>25950058
>They are not allowed to speak about their sexuality, about politics, or anything controversial or challenging
good

>>25950249
>muh GFE
and assuming that every Holo is like that just exposes you as a threadreader

I assume you showed her english tubers, in which case they're not trying to act cutesy, they're trying to act japanese. It's also cringe, but it's a different brand of it. When a JP like Marine begins her cutesy act, most of her chat calls it cringe too, with some exceptions here and there calling it cute. But her regular self is already cute enough.
The appeal is getting a glimpse into a "she's just like me" otaku woman who would otherwise never be talking to male losers about everything they talk about. That in itself is cute.
Western culture is just incompatible with that, so it'll always come off as forced, and fake. The JP chuuba is a played up version of a JP otaku, the EN chuuba is as well, but nobody in the west acts like a realistic version of a JP otaku in the first place.

>>25950058
They're not allowed to talk about politics and religion, anything else is them using the "seiso rules" as a convenient escape from a subject they don't want to talk about. It's talk-deck.
Also, let's be real, there's hardly any actual controversial and challenging discussions happening at all anymore. There are sensitive topics being discussed, but the discussions themselves are always the same partisan circlejerks with the exact same arguments being made in bad faith by the exact same notorious personalities. It's a waste of fucking time, there's no philosophical depth of any kind to be found by paying attention to it anymore.
It's why this kind of mindless positive escapism is gaining traction in the first place. Actual worthless topics are more fun to discuss than a bastardized worthless version of a topic that should be important and discussed in depth.

>>25950071
>Fake voices
>Yuribaiting by obviously hetero women
>No controversial or serious themes or opinions
>Pretending to be dumber than they really are
>Constant mention of boobs, feet, etc.
>Constant use of "cute" as compliment
>Submissive towards chat and afraid of making it angry
>Pretending to be younger than they really are.

>>25950058
>about politics, or anything controversial or challenging
This applies to all of the big corporate vtubers, not just Hololive. I agree on the sexuality thing though.

>>25950058
>They are not allowed to speak about their sexuality, about politics, or anything controversial or challenging.
How is this a bad thing?

>>25950058
>They are not allowed to speak about their sexuality, about politics, or anything controversial or challenging.
This is why I enjoy Hololive. Let me have at least one form of media that's not filled any of this.
t. /pol/

>>25950437
see >>25950410, you are painfully a threadreader who doesn't even bother to watch clips

>>25946822
Children think everything is cringe, they're kind of like /v/ in that respect.

Don't let her watch the NijiEN dudes. She'll turn into a Fujoshit in the blink of an eye. I was too late to stop my sister but I can warn others...

>>25950679
Maybe because they interact with women who are easier for them to relate to than the plastic dolls of HoloEN.

>>25950564
normal people don't rot their brains with /pol/, and can handle small bits of serious discussion in their day to day entertainment. This is like saying a restaurant should only serve baby food because you let all your teeth fall out.

>>25950058
That can't be right. I don't look up to men who speak about their sexuality, politics, and controversies. That would be very undignified. I look up to people because of their talents.

>>25949635
oh i do find it skilful as a business strategy don’t get me wrong.
i’m aware they act that way to get a shit ton of money from lonely creepo dudes because that’s what appeals to them and hell if i got that opportunity i don’t deny id probably consider doing the same.

but as a girl who knows how the majority of girls actually think and act around dudes. i also can’t deny that fakeness element makes it super cringey to me and means i don’t find it appealing. just how it is, not my cup of tea, each to their own.

>>25950058
You're a faggot, just kys tranny.

>>25950058
I agree on everything but politics, it's not something you should talk about with anyone but close friends and even then it's not fun.

>>25946822
have sex with her

>>25947095
Bullshit. Join your brethren in the 41%, tranny.

Your sister will soon cut her tits off and demand to be called "josh".

>>25950867
yeah but they're probably not afraid to talk about their views or inject them into their art, and you'd probably respect them less if they were completely vapid

>>25950147
It just dawned on me this is why I watch Hololive. Women should've never been allowed to talk about that stuff

>>25950058
Jump off a bridge and die tranny

>>25951131
retard, he'll be called "jayden" or "oliver". pooners don't get names like "josh".

>>25950812
I don't give a single shit what a woman has to say about politics.

>>25950247
nothing wrong with it at all.
OP asked how many girls watch hololive and i provided an explanation to why they probably don’t.

unless you’re a girl i don’t see why you’re angry. if you’re a dude and you enjoy that experience, more power to you.

>>25946822
>little sister
uuuooooooooooohhhhhhh

>>25951353
>Why don't women like my cringe hobby??
>I don't care what women think

>>25950867
Agreed. That's part of the appeal of the whole "no politics" rule too, the way I see it. It's about respecting/admiring someone regardless of their beliefs, not because of them.
My oshi could have polar opposite political beliefs to mine, and if that thought is something that would stop me from supporting her, then I can, and should, fuck right off.
If you need that confirmation before you can get into something, then you're better off staying away, your influence is toxic to any hobby.

>>25947095
Based and truthpilled.
>>25948105
YWNBAW

>>25951442
Yes

>>25951633
idiot.

>>25950071
My sister has similar opinions to her it sounds hyper feminine in a try hard fake way. Which to be fair it's true, we seen their true selves come out and they aren't like that at all

>>25951334
Draco?

>>25950437
I don't know why not talking about controversial things is a specific pillar of femininity to you and if you actually think women don't like cute things I have no idea how to help you.

>>25946822
Hololive talents are 10x more charming than women in real life. Fake or no, cunts like her who grew up rejecting "being feminine" aren't idols.

>>25946822
your little sister sound like a member of Mitsuboshi Colors

>>25951334
Oh and apollo. I met one that named itself 'apollo'.

>>25950951
Talking about politics in with people you barely know is a recent development. It's a tactic adopted by the left to shame and unperson people that don't subscribe to their ideological purity. Always tell them to fuck off if they try it and vote for people that will take care of them.

>>25951191
Nah, I lose respect for people who try to prop up a dumb opinion with art.

>>25947095
"normal women" are garbage these days, that's the point. Civilization is literally collapsing as we speak and the most important thing in your minds is the right to murder your own fetuses, like holy fuck lmao

>>25951800
The "traditional" role of women was the home, they were not allowed to opine about politics or about the public life.
Modern women don't appreciate it when men try to put them back in this subservient role.
>if you actually think women don't like cute things I have no idea how to help you.
For sure, but Holomems use the term excessively, way beyond normal women. They also try too hard to be cute, which is off puting.

>>25947095
Pic related?

>>25952124
how is what you're doing anything different? some people slut-shame, traditional-shame and in your case, cute-shame. break free of your little boxes of how people/genders ought to behave.

>>25950071
mostly the way they act so young and stupid and amp up every female stereotype to the max. it’s like watching toddlers sometimes. sorry but it’s genuinely hard to describe everything to a man who’s not lived a female life.

dude who replied with a list covered most of it though

>>25952318
what the fuck does this even mean genuinely

>>25946822
everyone's different

To be honest i rather keep politics away from hololive. Is basically a hornet nest you don't want to mess with.

Now i wish the likes of baelz and irys dropped the fake seiso act. It's cringy as fuck. Especially baelz who over does it to the point that if any new viewer caught one of her stream they might be fooled thinking she's some child. I'm not saying act like a whore because that isn't the way to go what I'm saying is they should stop insulting the viewers intelligence.

>>25949767
I could swear I've read this before.

>>25952410
It's about when you acting hard in front of the squad but your horse knows you a bitch

>>25952579
Yeah because this isn't the first time I told this story. Not the first time someone made a thread about this topic.

>>25951947
Every major of literature since Sofocles has opinions about politics.
And many of the major works in painting and music have them too (though not all).

Art that doesn't have anything to say about philosophy, politics, the human condition or the world is just kitschy escapism for the unwashed masses.

I guess most anime and otaku culture falls in this last category.

>>25950058
>sexuality
Good, no one likes whores
>politics
In my experience women have the most garbage/braindead takes on politics so again, good
>controversial or challenging
What do you want them to talk about? The meaning of life?

>>25947095
you imply that this is somehow a bad thing
(great bait, by the way. /vt/ards are about as easy to bait as /pol/tards are)

i can understand this to some extent. on the flip side, it's annoying watching guys trying to be hyper macho and deepening their voices and shit while streaming, but at the same time you are watching this as a form of escapist entertainment
guys like cutesy anime girls, so these girls do their best to act in the way guys like. they're entertainers and actors at their core, and i thought it went without saying that they don't act like this in their real lives
hell, most of them do a constant fake voice as part of their act, which can and has taken a phsyical toll on them (suisei, marine, and pekora are all good examples)

>>25950058
god i want a geopolitics vtuber

>>25947095
>hololives form of expressing femininity is so artificial and obviously fake for male attention
Plenty of kpop stars and some male vtubers do the exact same thing to attract teenage girls, yet I don't see you criticizing it.
Also there are some holomems who aren't really ultra feminine/fake and yet they're still quite successful.
Mori is literally the same in her roommate stream, she doesn't act at all.
Sounds like selection bias to me.

>>25946822
0

>>25952938
That's the reason Mori is the most popular HoloEn among women and the most hated by /vt/ incels.

>>25952330
you're making a lot of assumptions about a bunch of streamers you've never watched

>>25952716
The obvious question here is why anyone would go to a vtuber for philosophy instead of alternatives. lol

>>25952410
It's an analogy to the previous post. The woman is the horse, the man is the vtuber, and the squad is the audience. The man is presenting a dishonest persona to his squad, but his horse sees right through it and is unimpressed.

>>25947095
>fake
Why are fags so obsessed with authenticity? Furthermore, they equate putting in effort with faking it. Fact is, most people will take effort as proof of your feelings.

>>25953310
They wouldn't, vtubing is a lower form of entertainment.

>>25952836
i don’t know what you think i’m baiting over? whether i’m a woman or my opinion? both are real but believe what you want it makes no difference to me. i’m not showing my tits as proof to the dismay of most the people in this thread.

i’m not implying this is a bad thing. or at least not for men.
i’m aware it’s a form of escape, fake entertainment and most importantly a business, but you also need to understand that’s why a lot women won’t like it. what OP was originally asking about (if any girls like hololive).

if you were asked to enjoy an anime man with a ripped 6 pack and a fat bulge trying his best to sound like he’s done 50 shots of testosterone, with his audience calling him daddy every 10 seconds. (average vox stream ngl) you probably would find it kinda cringe right? the hyper amplification of gender stereotypes is probably appealing to the opposite sex but same sex just find it cringe and fake. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

if dudes enjoy hololive, more power to them. glad they can get some enjoyment out of it. me as a woman? it’ll never be my thing in the same way it probably won’t be OPs sisters.

>>25952938
>Plenty of kpop stars and some male vtubers do the exact same thing to attract teenage girls, yet I don't see you criticizing it.
Nta but I agree. maybe it's real or maybe it's fake, who knows? But it's not nice to paint all of Hololive as "faking it" because it seems like that femanon thought the world is evolving around her life. If it's not resemble hers then it's "fake"

>>25952318
>>25952410
>memes women will never understand

>>25952938
this thread is not about kpop stars or male vtubers anon. and i don’t like either.
i literally recognised male vtubers do the same in a previous reply.

mori is probably my most tolerable holoEN member bc she’s down to earth. i don’t mind her actually.

>>25953316
Holobronies can't tell holomems are faking it becasue they don't have experience with women. They don't have gfs, or close female friends. Some of them are legitimately autistic and will never understand.

>>25953451
Guys seem to behave themselves better than girls, they don't spam Holos calling them mommy, at least not in public chat.

>>25953727
Fair enough, you're consistent so I can respect your opinion. I think that's just the nature of entertainment (showbiz I guess?).
Just try not to hate the "incels" who love it, many of them have been through some shit and are using it to cope. Cheers.

>>25953865
words of someone who has not suffered through the chat of a single ouro kronii or ceres fauna stream

>>25953865
What? Men be everywhere in /vt/ calling any girl that have a boyfriend a whore.

As is evident by this thread, you have better chances getting your sister interested in Vshojo and NIjisanji, or indies. If she likes those, maybe, maybe she will get interested in Hololive. But their extreme male pandering filters most women.

>>25946822
You're not going to get a good answer from 90% of western woman in current times.

Femininity has pretty much been destroyed in the west by the "feminism" movement that seemed to conflate equality with being masculine.

>>25954212
true. most of /vt/sisters are men

>>25954177
It would be easier to respect them if they didn't act like assholes, slut shaming and harrassing the vtubers that don't follow their standards (e.g. Mori)

>fake
who give a fuck if it's fake? it's entertainment in the end, it's escapism. and who are you to judge what's fake or not?

>>25954177
i get that i get that

a lot of you guys have been screwed over by some girls before and that sucks. if this helps those guys escape, hey it might not be my thing, but if that’s what makes you feel better, then there’s some value to it right?
cheers to you too man. fair play for being respectful to my opinion.

>>25954386
Op asked a question and it was answered

>>25946822
Your sister is a roastie and has probably fucked more than you.

Not reading the thread, but I wonder if anyone has pointed out that OP has posted this before

>>25953685
maybe that response will unknowingly prove to people on this thread i’m actually a woman who knows

>>25946822
What kind of women and girls watching hololive?
I'm more interested in this question.
I hope femanons could answer this

>>25947095
>woman here
Do trannies really?.

>>25954697
farming yous

>>25946822
I do. I don't think it's cringe, but then again I want to be a chuuba. Maybe recommend Vox to her? He caters more to women.

>>25947095
That how I feel about male vtubers

>>25949467
Because they're property

>>25949430
tits or BTFO

>>25947095
"A cutsey act" you see a woman do around a man in conventional dating is a display of how they would act around their potential children.

They don't have to be like that 100% of the time, they don't have to be authentic. It's just a way to keep a vulnerable little meatbag feeling safe and attentive until it's able to fend for itself.

>>25946822
>all these feminism and "women hate incel" answers
I just don't like watching fake disgustingly cute puppetshows. Same for men who act overly sexual. Girl vtubers who are normal to me are people like Naraka who is relatable and cute but not overly cute, Botan who isn't loud and is cool, Mito who is witty, and Ryushen who is talented, her lewdness isn't disgusting either. For male vtubers I like Reid, Kinako, Yashikizu, Oliver, and the rest of the males I watch aren't vtubers but stream with some of the others I watch.
I fucking hate 24/7 screeching, kissing up to chat, shock humor, over sexual shit, and drama. GFE/BFE isn't bad but it 100% is not for me.
And yet somehow I still will get a reply from an anon who thinks I hate gfe and want men to die or something.

Honestly wonder why people think Rushia is representative of hololive. Ever watch Botan? Hell, like half of holo EN makes it obvious whether they're acting or not

>>25954993
queer women or girls wanting to be in hololive.
but even then i’m a lesbian and find them sorta annoying.

>>25955022
nope. cis woman from birth.

sorry you want me to have dick so bad anon.

>>25955811

Modern westerners malding at the simple concept of mindless entertainment when they are the ones that created the concept will never not be funny to me

>>25955925
i respect that

>>25947095
it's weird, because i find the overly cutesy act to be pretty cringey too but i got into hololive because i was surprised to see how much they DON'T do that despite their appearance and how the fanbase on a general level behaves/talks about them.
i guess i simply got a good first impression because after getting more into it i definitely found that a lot of members do pump up their "cuteness" a lot, but i'm not necessarily a fan of them (though i tolerate it now). girls in collabs tend to act a lot more natural than in solo streams too and that's mostly what i got to watch at the very beginning, too.

>>25955749
Anon... I hate you and your judgemental ass

>>25956120
>how the fanbase on a general level behaves/talks about them
The comments on the Vods are pure cringe

Am I weirdo for not feeling any sexual attraction towards an anime avatar of a girl?

The only thing I've ever felt was gratitude towards miko since she's the reason I discovered vtubbers. Other than that I don't understand why people be at eachother throat over the dumbest shit like gfe for example. If men wanna donate money to their chubas who has the rights to tell them how to spend their money. If people are happy then that's what matter. After all we're all in the bottomless rabbit hole together. We might as well just get along.

>>25956188
mald and seethe away then

if OP asks ‘why won’t girls watch hololive’ and i then consequently explain why girls don’t watch hololive, whilst reminding the thread i don’t have a problem if guys can enjoy it and can understand the escapism element,

then it’s not my problem you can’t cope with everyone not enjoying the same type of media as you

>>25954993
Not a femanon but I have a sister I kinda share this hobby with, though she sticks to the homos for the most part. She still likes people like IRyS and Korone a lot though, she says they're really funny and interesting as a whole (and feels sorry for IRyS's fugly model). She's a complete shut-in and used to be really socially awkward until fairly recently, and isn't necessarily a weeb.

>>25956520
I'm not queer and I don't want to be in hololive

>>25946822
My sister watches hololive almost as much (if not more) than I do

>>25955749
Figures a dyke can't relate to cuteness and femininity.

>>25956598
>She's a complete shut-in used to be really socially awkward until fairly recently, and isn't necessarily a weeb.
I believe you, people who are like that are IDGAF about other people disapproval and just enjoy their hobby in their own tiny bubble.

>>25956597
Are you on the spectrum?

>>25956597
putting urself through being a fem hololive fan with zero attraction to the streamers or intention to get in on the company for the big bucks just sounds like torture.
genuine question what is your appeal then

>>25956828
What's torture about it? Their content isn't that bad...

>>25956748
Why most dykes who hate men decide to fuck themselves or their partner with men dick shaped dildos and rubber dick strap on and dress and act like a man. Shit doesn't fucking make sense to me.

>>25955749
You forgot legitimately autistic women because they also can't recognize their fakeness and take their social interactions at face value.

>>25956828
This is a baffling post. The appeal is that they're cute and I am a weeb. I can find an anime girl cute and not want to fuck girls or look at anime girl lewds. I'm trying to understand your perspective, are you unable to watch videos unless you can gain money or masturbate? When I watch kitten cams I'm not wishing I was a cat in a cafe.

>>25955749
you need a BBC

>>25956995
>decide to fuck themselves or their partner with men dick shaped dildos and rubber dick strap on
Anon a woman being a lesbian does not have any relation to how a woman gets sexual arousal
>and dress and act like a man
Depends on the lesbian, but those who do, idk

>>25957158
Word.

>>25956816
No
>>25956828
Because I like the girls-on-girls interaction without the toxicity (like sisters fighting because of some dicks) and I feel like it's such a mood booster. I also like watching them grow in their skill of singing and drawing, with others like Ina I could learn a thing or two from her.

>>25957209
Okay, but if they hate men why buy penis shape toys? That's my question. They can't have their cake and eat it too. And yes I'm aware there's different shapes of toys. But the most popular among them are the penis shape one.

>>25957397
They hate men because of how men behave, not because of their penises.

>>25956828
i was with you until this post lol, what the fuck makes you think a regular woman can't enjoy cute anime-esque women unless they were queer? there's over 50 talents in the company there's quite literally something for everyone, including people who don't really like the very kawaii style. why do you think so many women adore people like suisei?

>>25957397
A penis is kind of the ideal shape for a vagina, and even if non-dick shaped dildos exist they're far less common and most women are not petty enough to go out of their way to look for those
Also: >>25957469

>>25957245
jamal will be at your house shortly

>>25957481 (me)
and before you come at me with "hurr you mention girls are able to like cute anime girls but you mention suisei", people like marine and noel also have big female fanbases (provided the data hasn't changed too much since i last checked)

>>25957469
That's a very prejudicial view considering women these days are no better than men in the behavior department. See I understand if they went through some rough shit that traumatized them. But to dislike men based in how they act is a very biased way of seeing thing.

>>25947095
All these angry replies. Why would a straight woman watch girls being lesbians, like Noel and Marine taking a shower or whatever they did, or Gundou and HSKW kissing? I gain literally no enjoyment from that, it's like if I were to get upset that a straight male didn't want to watch Chronoir lore videos or strawberry prince or something. I actually can't even think of a guy example of what girl vtubers do, I guess Nijisanji EN but I don't watch them because they get on my nerves.

>>25957746
That kind of yuribait doesn't really happen in EN and the small amount that you get is pretty common among female friends and doesn't mean they're acting like lesbians

>>25946822
>She says it's cringe watching girls trying to act cutesy
Selen

woman here, i just like to imagine the holos fucking each other. simple as

>>25957837
I meant the EN men act like female vtubers with the gay bait, the girls are kind of okay, but Finana is unwatchable to me mainly because it feels like "this is man territory only"

>>25950058
>They are not allowed to speak
i stopped reading after this and i agree with you

>>25946981
based, but show tits please

>>25946822
Acting cute is cringe says modern young western woman bullshit feminism propaganda at work gents.

>>25957746
>I actually can't even think of a guy example of what girl vtubers do
Because women are just fundamentally more appealing, they can assume a wider range of roles and styles without it feeling like an aesthetic contradiction.

>>25958158
Cute: Sister Claire, Laplus
Unappealing and cringe: someone like Lamy or Rushia

>>25954993
autists like the rest of the fanbase. who else would sit around watching someone pretend to be an anime character for several hours?

>>25958370
Where did you even come from? Why are you here?

>>25958459
im here to talk about vtubers obviously

>>25950058
Good
There's nothing I could care less about than hearing an anime girl tell me about her period or her thoughts on gun control and abortion. This is an audience/entertainer relationship, if I wanted to be saddled with hearing a bunch of unpleasant bullshit I don't care about, I'd get a girlfriend

>>25958515
Ogey

Both female 3d streamers and 2d streamers are pandering to men.
3ds with their looks, boobs, and makeup
2ds with their "personality" and avatar

>woman here,

>>25958625
spoken like a true 2view /here/sister

>>25957726
Which data?

>>25950058
>They are like little children.
that's the key, you've found out the reason Hololive is on top and still going strong

>>25959613
Cunnychads win again

>>25947095
You still here?
Come back bitch, uh pretty lady.
I need to hear your opinion about Stars and StarsEN.

>>25950058
I'd rather watch the Hololive where most of the girls act decent than watch the whores of VShowhore or Niji EN.

>>25950058
Women are retarded when it comes to politics, especially women under 35. The zoomer women can't even tell you what a woman is

>>25946822
Is she wrong though?

>>25950437
>Submissive towards chat
baffling post

>>25946822
you probably showed her someone who is GFE lite like Ame or Irys, basically anyone who has a huge number of goslings and are popular with guys. Finana would be the Niji equivalent, although she's more of a coombaiter.

>>25947095
Yet normalfag women go on to watch talk shows with even faker women hosting it

>>25954697
Hey i was the op of the last thread and i didn't post it this time!

>>25947095
Tits or GTFO
YWNBAW
Quiet Tranny
No shit that's point, men like the fake shit
(Normalfags like actors)

>>25950437
>No controversial or serious themes or opinions
Oh god forbid things aren't super cereal.

>>25951633
Based

the hololive fanbase is 99.9999% male
The nijisanji fanbase is 60% female, 40% male

>>25961430
Finana's goslings mystify me. When I watch her I can only think of strapping a helmet on her and keeping her away from traffic. She's so young.

are the femanons still here? i want to eat your pussy

>>25961859
You want young? This girl is 18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOh3pyMZPPY

Her streams are so zoomer it's hilarious. Very young zoomer voice too

>>25961845
OK but now break it down between male and female livers. Guarantee you the male's fanbases are overwhelmingly girls, and viceversa.

>>25961894
duh, that's the entire point. But the girls have a lot of female fans too.

The point is nijisanji actually has females. You go to the niji thread and it's overflowing with women

>>25961861
That probably had a bussy you sure you wanna eat that?

>>25958043
Bio women you tranny

>>25947095
> all these jealous passive agressive replies
holy shit, Luxiem brought a lot of femanons

>>25961654
ive not posted either OPs but now it will be my turn next

>>25950904
>as a girl
post tits

>>25946822
Introduce her to Vox.

>>25947095

>>25962095
They've almost entirely taken over /nijien/

>>25952923
You too can join the Eristocracy!

>>25953865
Have you ever looked at the chat when Fauna is streaming?

>>25961894
In EN maybe

>>25950058
i watch vtubers to get away from that shit

>>25962389
Yeah precisely.
It's basically CGDCT moe anime meets streaming and let's plays, it's honestly the ideal combo for me

>>25946822
Anything more feminine than them is perceived as fake.
You'd have to find a 70 year old woman and show them for a real reaction.

>>25950058
>They are not allowed to speak about their sexuality, about politics, or anything controversial or challenging.
If I wanted to watch Hasan or Destiny-lite I'd watch Hasan or Destiny. No one wants to hear about a vtuber's sexuality or politics - hell, not even the top female fleshtubers do it.

>>25961991
There's no way they would lie about their gender...right?

>>25962095
Why are nijisisters so mean and judgemental toward holosisters?

Who would recommend vtubers to there sister lol, they would have lost all respect for you.

>>25946981
you could solve that by being a dad and uncle at the same time

Don't be a sperg around your family, at least be a bit subtle...
>>25961632
Based, I dont wanna hang around tea spilling fossils, Id rather have pic related even if there is a huge language barrier.

>>25962666
Only people that care about politics are people specifically trying to get something for themselves from it, pretty much nobody cares about political shit.

>>25950058
>The problem is that the "seiso rules" infantilize them. They are not allowed to speak about their sexuality, about politics, or anything controversial or challenging.
But thats good

>>25950058
I don't respect 99% of mens takes on politics and don't even want to hear it, no way do I want to hear a woman's take on things. This is a good thing.

>>25963433
The sisters very rarely leave the main thread since they don't care for 4chan other than /nijien/. The ones that do check outside the main thread are twitterschizos looking for a reason to start a fight.

rip femanons trying to answer seriously. thanks for the insight tho

>>25965252
>trying to answer seriously
DYRBI

>>25965281
i guess, its reasonable enough to be true in my opinion

>>25965326
It's like we're reading different things.
>it’s not that all of us dislike femininity, but hololives form of expressing femininity is so artificial and obviously fake for male attention that it’s cringey to any normal woman. i guarantee you they are nothing like that off stream.
That comes across as reasonable to you?

>>25947095
>i guarantee you they are nothing like that off stream.
doesn't this apply to literally all streamers, not even the ones pandering to weeb incels? they're all putting on an act, even the ones that make an effort to seem relatable. maybe especially those.

>>25965392
nta esl here, womens don't like to watch other womens act fake, it's understandable.
I think for the same reason no sane man would watch a streamer like Vox or Luca\Mysta.

>>25965562
Well i'll explain that the choice of words and the way it's expressed is as important or more important than the point you try to make.
Look at things like this
>SO artificial
>OBVIOUSLY fake
>ANY NORMAL woman
>I GUARANTEE you

Women dont like women, especially if they are successful.
This is well known.

I do, mainly Reine and Kaela. And maybe Moona and Risu if they're doing karaoke streams. So I guess I have some type I like?
I don't watch streamers in general, I only got to know the thing called vtuber exists through ID2 debut.

>>25965624
Why does someone have to dumb down their speech to be as neutral as possible to assuage your inflamed brain

>>25965392
once upon a time, I didn't like rushia because I think she's too fake for me. in that sense i can understand why they don't like them. Do i think everyone's hololive is faking it all? of course not. I think most of them are genuine in their interactions, as limited as it is for being a corpo. Do i think that take is just stirring shit? I don't think so.

>>25965805
Don't be ridiculous, has literally nothing to do with intellect and the intent is obvious.
>>25965849
Fake or not has nothing to do with whether what she said was reasonable or not. The choice of words is a showing of false authority without examples.

itt trannies and modern fems with purple hair and seventeen piercings wonder why men are gathering in droves to watch women who act cute and feminine

>>25965624
ooh so people have a problem with the choice of words used, not the point? understandable. it does sound condescending

>>25965392
It comes across as tribalistic to me but I actually do agree with some parts of it. I can't stand watching girl chuubas who play things up for their male chat. I just want to watch a funny girl, not feel like I'm intruding on a date. And before you go
>but males
I feel the same way about male chuubas who act up for their female fanbase. Now, come reply to me and shove opinions I never said down my throat

>>25947095
I'll take that "artificial" femininity over the repulsive whorish behavior being promoted in the west. No one said it had to be real. I don't care if you need to pretend to be feminine and cute, just make a fucking effort

>>25965916
I legitimately don't care about what she said, I just wanted to point out that it was definitely not reasonable by any stretch.

>>25947095
t.2view

I enjoy the entirety of the JP side, but I just don't think the acting like an anime character/Japanese person thing translates as well when it's an English speaker.
That's not to say I don't watch any of EN, but they need to do something that appeals to me. For example, I enjoy it when it feels like they'd be nice to me if we were to somehow meet outside the stream; it makes me feel comfy.
>>25965562
I see where you're coming from but I don't think this is necessarily true. You can enjoy a stream as long as it isn't a full-on pandering stream if the person is entertaining.

>>25965805
because it comes across as the kind of shitpost i'd make if i wanted to get as many bait replies as possible

>>25965939
>I legitimately don't care about what she said
Huh? But why are you replying then. We're all in a bait thread, most posts will be amped up to get (You)s since nothing farms replies more than making people offended

>>25965991
I wasn't replying to her, I replied to >>25965326

>>25947095
Salome is obviously fake but she's one of most popular vtubers in the world right now, and not just with women. How does this line up with your statement?
The problem isn't the fakeness, because everyone is putting on a character. I assume your probably associate them with similar people IRL who you don't like. Basically you're complaining about pickmes.

>>25966040
>pickmes
fucking femoid language, as soon as they see something getting more attention than them they cant but try to put it down.

>>25950058
That's a good thing. Women almost NEVER say anything intelligent about politics. It's the same retarded takes. I don't need to hear my chuubas saying it too

>>25947156
suityan

>>25947095
All I know from woman I know is that the whores usually hate cutesy stuff and the good women like it.

>>25949767
Your girlfriend is going to become a lesbian anon... Be careful. Jokes aside Kiara is one of the few chuubas who is also ultrafeminine off stream so I don't think the rule of "artificial feminity" applies to here

>>25946822
> When your sister acts cute
Slap the shit out of her for me. Thanks.

>>25950247
>op asks a question
>anon answers
>"So?"

>>25966612
Cheesy isn't gfe. Cheesy is silly stuff written about in books.

>>25966769
nahone

>>25964197
>still 3d pigs
not interested...

most of my female friends say something similar, that hololive is full of girls that read as cutesy and superficial, and they don't give them a chance past two or three popular clips. i think it's simply that many of them use a higher pitched anime girl voice, which i'll admit can be a little grating depending on how strained or obvious it sounds. other than that though, it's easy to look past if you watch an actual stream and like their personality. however, most of my female friends do for some reason like kiara a lot. personally i like fauna and kronii... and kiara (i think kiara's just well received by dykes in general)

>>25967112
they like kiara the most because kiara uses the most profanity and is the most self absorbed out of all the en girls

>>25967112
>>25967192
Yeah its bizarre how many say girls they know watch Kiara considering Kiara will see's a rock texture in a video game and start talking about herself.

>>25967112
kiara's whole shtick is pretending to be "aggressively gay" so i'm not surprised dykes like her. but i'm equally surprised that they can't tell it's just an act. i guess the market is so tiny beggars can't be choosers

>>25967112
>most of my female friends do for some reason like kiara a lot
>Kiara is the most basic bitch of the bunch
Checks out.

>>25962095
I'm curious how female fans would react if NijiEN got a new girl who acts just like Hololive, being super cute and sugary with a high-pitched voice and going hard on pandering to males. Rosemi gets away with it because she's been there before Luxiem and tones down her act in collabs, but a new debut would have a ton of yumejo/fujo fans' eyes on her and potentially a ton of hate messages about how fake she is.

>>25947095
Because 'femininity' on the west and mainly America is just pure depravity slutiness, and narcissism

Seeing actual likeable femininity like Japan's where they don't worship fatness and female narcissism is like poison to some western women, so they get all salty and jealous and try to gaslight saying it looks artificial, or "muh opressive you just want a submissive slave you inceelllll wahh wahh".

>>25947095
god look at all those (you)s holy shit, here have mine

thread for bitter dried up cunts

>>25961845
Akshually holo also has lots of lesbo and bi fans

>>25967912
thats every thread on this board

>>25947095
b-based...

>>25968168
Based means being cool for saying the correct(conservative) opinion

>>25968196
anon is correct for saying the truth and making all of you deluded fags seethe

>>25968224
Cope

>>25967912
>>25967744
>>25966612
Or maybe you're a socially inept incel who just watched anime your entire life and never interacted with a real woman.
You just have yellow fever or want a fucked up girl like picrel

>>25968251
I've had plenty of adult relationships and you're just a tranny

>>25947095
can you post your tits to back up that claim?

>>25968251
go back to your cesspool
>>25967343

>>25946822
Man, I just want to watch cute girls doing cute things to relax after a hard day at work.

>>25946822
A lot
Half of the audience in Sankisei concert was female. There's probably even more for other gen

>>25965281
I answered seriously but as you can see you'd all rather reply to baiters who are using words like incel and pickme and feminism. This was never a real thread about womens taste in female vtubers it's just a playground for you to get mad at bait.

>>25968433
They're an oasis in a sea of irony.

>>25968498
Don't respond to me cunt, you answered seriously but not genuinely.

>>25968251
I find these kids of girls fucking hot in porn and self-insert fiction, they are the female equivalent of the "I can fix him" creepy stalker boy archetype, taking gender roles to an extreme. The idea of having a doormat girlfriend who is entirely submissive and lets me dominate her is hot, it appeals to the lizard brain male inside me. But at the same time I acknowledge that as a fantasy and I don't expect or demand real women to be that way, I know that a lot of female vtubers who act stereotypically feminine while also claiming they grew up with (insert male hobby here) and love wearing skirts with no panties while simultaneously being down for otaku men and lesbian and masochistic are faking or exaggerating at least some of that. Unlike 99% of the faggots here who can't help but project their stupid misogynistic ideas on a (ironically) female-driven industry. It's a fantasy and they're being played.

>>25946822
what's the problem? most streamers and youtubers are kinda of artificial and fake, sounds like jealousy to me

>>25968524
glows hard

>>25968524
nice larp femoid

>>25947095
And BTS is cringe to any normal man. Your point?

>>25968515
>>25958336

>>25968774
Don't. Respond. To. Me. Cunt.

>>25967723
>about how fake she is.
Obviously, some of the bad apples would hate on her. Toxic, spicy Nijisisters and Holo"incels" should make love and date~~ they are made for each other

>>25950058
>They are not allowed to speak about their sexuality, about politics, or anything controversial or challenging. They are like little children.
Okay, you listed the benefits, where are the downsides?

>>25958625
You fucking idiot, the only difference between 2ds and 3ds is the glass free 3d, what they offer is the same

>>25968613
I wish the US government was paying me to spread truths. Too bad they'll never do that because they're dominated by two right-wing parties.

>>25968650
I'm a man, always will be a man, and proud of it. Doubt many women would be interested in playing fucking Tsuushinbo.

>>25968919
>retarded commie

>>25968818

>>25946822
I know you've probably fucked off by now, but who did you recommend OP?

>>25968977

>>25969057

>>25946822
Pick someone from the top ones. Those are the ones who mostly pander to children, like Gura and Pekora.

>>25964664
If they are not in this thread why do I saw one of them damage controlling here?

>>25969070

Yeah. We’re here. For the BTS meal

>>25969143
Try wiping the cum out of your eyes and read the rest of the post.

>>25946822
Hololive's content aiming to men, not women. The same way men feel cringe watching Luxiem or any Kpop's gaybait.

>>25969195
t.nijisister

>>25953257
Nta, but she’s right. Many vtubers (keyword: many. Not all) behave in a forced cutesy way. Often somewhat infantilised too.

>>25969596
In the UK, from around 7 years old girls will get relentless mocked for being cute even by teachers.
It doesn't happen in Japan.
That's all that is.

i can't believe no tits were posted....

>>25965927
Don't let trannies and westoid apologists confuse you. Women can be cute and a lot of them want to be cute. True femininity is not being a reckless whore no matter how much they try to change its meaning the same malewhoring is not true masculinity. That's the west is normalizing whorish, degenerate behavior.
Schools are now teaching little girls to be dickless males and that's where everything started going to the shitter.

>>25965927
>>25971719
The incel energy is strong with these ones.

>>25974345
seethe

>>25968818
It's written cutie though. qt3.14 if you're feeling particularly bonded.

>>25974502