/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>like half of HoloEN has very public meltdowns over backseaters in Elden Ring
>Kronii: NOOOO I CAN'T ADDRESS IT PUBLICERINOOO!! THE HECKING STREAM MOOD!!!
Fucking retard, backseaters deserve to get chewed out, and if you don't want to chew them out a simple "well gonna turn chat members only because the backseating is getting a little out of hand" is not fucking hard, RETARD

backseating is just a baseline behaviour of children and retards, same with complaining about pausing and talking during react content. in that case just go watch the video yourself, dumbo.

I honestly have no idea why they care about backseaters at all. They should just do what Pekora and Marine does and ignore chat entirely. It’s not like bronies care whether or not they pay attention to them

backseaters are genuinely autistic

>>25742604
This. The only problem with this approach is if you're relying on backseaters in order to progress at all.

>>25742269
fromdrones BTFO

SXXXG

>>25742269
>Implying that purging backseaters and rulebreakers is a bad thing.
Finally, a holo who can lay down the law. Hopefully she sets her future streams to members only chat mode.

>>25742604
Backseaters can spam up chat a lot and make the chat environment really bad. It's why a lot of streamers don't like Minecraft or Fromsoft games. If you ignore them then it makes people anal about how they're "not playing the game right".

Pekora and Marine have established environments where people don't care and most of their chatters are Japanese who as far as I can tell don't backseat much, but EOPs are the worst.

You either have to intentionally not pay attention to chat which will lower engagement, or know when you're doing streams that will attract shitters and purge them early on. It also doesn't help that a lot of backseaters are stupid and give advice that's outright wrong.

>>25742269
It's fine, grays don't deserve respect.

>>25742421
>>25742561
>>25742796
>>25744473
There's absolutely nothing wrong with backseating. I'm there to play the game with the streamer, not to watch some gameplay video. If you don't like it, end the stream and finish the game alone instead of making me waste my time.

>>25742421
fpbp
antis out themselves so easily they dont even try anymore

>>25744473
Several of the backseaters were members not greys. And randomly locking out majority of the chat from speaking for something both sides of the chat did is already lowering engagement.

She could of just addressed it but she instead chose to punish non members without telling them why.

I hadn't even noticed at the time since I am membered but this and the other stuff seems more like she just wanted to give members more attention and found a good excuse to do it.

turning off her seiso filter really meant permabanning anyone who was backseating. members only mode was really a mercy.

>Twitter screenshot
Fuck off

>>25744770
Based. Most of these female streamers would never be able to finish a game without help from their chat. Do people realyl want to watch 100 hours of Kronii going around in circles?

>>25744770
>I'm there to play the game with the streamer, not to watch some gameplay video.

>>25745427
Kromies would watch paint dry with Kronii if it meant we got her commentary.

>>25745427
I tuned into her Mario Kart stream and she was struggling to make a lobby
i left immediately, I'm amazed people can stomach her if she is that bad
i may giver her another chance

>>25743860
You call this laying down the law? lol. This is extremely non confrontational.

>>25745608
wouldn't fault her on that one, playing mario kart online in any way except random matches is fucking hell

>>25744770
I think you got brain damage. See your doctor soon.

>>25745427

It's because people don't know the difference between the different kind of backseating.

There is good backseating which is giving the streamer advice when they get stuck on something and don't look like they will ever progress.

There is bad backseating when people give wrong information to troll or feel important. Or trying to force a streamer to do something else in the game because they feel like the streamer MUST do it (Ame and Gwent/Elden ring and Ranni).

We actually have a good example of what happens when the streamer isn't backseated. Bae and her Cyberpunk 2077 run.

Starting to get tired of her shit, but I've been a member since day one, so it's hard to let go. If Irys started streaming regularly again, i could maybe make the switch

>>25745711
Mario Kart 8's entire setup is made to be as hard as possible to play with your friends
I still got no idea where I go to join a vtuber's community matches. Like is it 'tournament" mode or what as Nintendo refuses to implement private lobbies it seems?

>>25742269
>Cummies defending their incompetent oshi. Go back to your thread.

>>25742269
Imagine being a backseater lmao, who the fuck watches vtubers for gameplay?

>>25744893
Lowering less by switching to membership. I mean if the chat really was shit then it would have been obvious to anyone sentient why it happened.

>>25742269
QRD???

>>25745806
Tournament is the closest to a private lobby in mario kart, which is why they use it, the problem is that is isn't a single room and more a general lobby with a set of rules, you have to be very fast and very lucky to join the same room as the vtubers, and when other vtubers are involved it gets even more messy trying to get everyone on the same room

>barely streams
>hides her model
>complains about backseating instead of ignoring it
And people wonder why Hololive is reclining

>>25745920
Okay so I was on the right course because holy fuck my attempts to figure it out from the hosting side was a migraine. So many hoops to jump through just to set it up.
Nintendo I swear drunkenly blunders into success at this point with anything online.

>>25745427
People were backseating her in Sonic Adventure 2 even though that's a game she already beat. Content creators want to play the game, not be a proxy Twitch Plays. If you want to do that, just just play the game yourself instead of showing that you were raised by wolves.

Yelling at a content creator won't make the experience better, it'll just make them stop playing the game because the chat gets too obnoxious. The same thing happened with Amelia and the Witcher.

>>25744770
>I'm there to play the game with the streamer, not to watch some gameplay video.
lol holy shit. This is the first time I've seen a post so retarded it made me actually laugh.

>>25744770
oh jeesus christ you people actually exist ?
Anons, what causes this kind of fucking mentality ? I cannot fathom

>>25742604
Because some streamers actually like reading and interacting with chat and it's actually not "just a job" to them.

>>25742269
Watching the Kronester play this game was infuriating it took her 3 hours just to get half way though the game. It was that bad I booted up my copy and completed it in under a hour just to prove a point to myself. Shameful and absolutely abhorrent display.

>>25744770
Fucking based. Kronster overeacted like reimu receiving death threats LMAO

>>25742269
This is probably the first kronii shitpost thread that has actual discussion instead of rehashed cancer

>>25742269
ITT gaslighters

>>25746124
I did the same thing last time I tried to watch someone play X2, what is this shared mega man autism

>>25744770
Based retard.

>>25746153
ironic considering the op

>>25746124
Yes. Imagine someone who beat the game before would clear it faster than someone blind playing it. If you couldn't honestly you'd be better off selling that copy.

>>25746004
>>25746014
Streamers who don't listen to backseating are literally just narcissists. They ruin their whole streams because their pride doesn't allow them to listen to advice. What kind of cuck would watch someone like that? I already unsubscribed from Kronii, and I recommend everyone else to do the same.

>Acceptable backseating
Hey, there's a secret there that's easily missed, check it out

>Unacceptable backseating
Wow you didn't know the attack pattern of a boss you just encountered 5 minutes ago? You're so garbage, let me tell you how to do this section, because clearly you are too retarded to do it yourself. Also you might want to be wary of that character, they may or may not be sus! *winks*

>>25744770
You physically disgust me.

>>25742421
Not everyone is a confrontational cunt like Ame that totally kills the mood of the stream for everyone. I hate backseaters but I agree with Kronii on this one.

>>25746344
Someone who's so mentally ill that they're yelling at a stranger about how to play a video game on the internet sounds more like a narcissist to me. Or more like someone who needs a straight jacket.

This is your average 12 year old backseater

https://youtu.be/4yeGx2Jg-Wc

>>25746344
You're projecting so hard bro.
Some people want to experience a game organically and not be spoiled by chat telling them what to do.
Also when you have the complete aspies in chat who are literally having a mental breakdown spamming in all caps

>>25746408
Remember the time when Ame got so upset over backseaters she played the game in complete awkward silence for over 2 hours. It was some space shuttle simulator or something.

>>25744770
Absolutely based. If I want to be entertained watching someone completely eat shit on the tutorial level, I'd go to the zoo.

>>25746461
See this anon post >>25746346

You arguing about the different kind of backseating.

>>25746539
She literally left the stream. It was Outter Wilds.

>>25746583
No she didnt she just went offline. I was there and it was fucking awkward

>>25742604
Most effective way to ignore them: Turn on Members only chat.

>>25746568
The first example isn't really acceptable either unless the streamer asks about it. A lot of the morons who backseat are the same dumbasses who also drop spoilers in chat.

And half the fun with a lot of these kinds of things is finding it yourself. Reine hid her chat for Undertale because that game also attracts a lot of shitters and she found stuff that most people don't in their playthrough.

The whole point of watching someone else play a game is to see their experience with it. If you want to be controlling, it makes way more sense to just play the game yourself.

>>25744770
>If you don't like it, end the stream and finish the game alone instead of making me waste my time.
this line is so fucking stupid i'm unable to take you and anyone who agrees seriously

>9 months in the industry
What a shame..

>>25746539
Yeah. It was Outer Wilds. It was hilarious.
Sad backseaters are such a problem.
Ame didn't play Harvest Moon on stream because she wanted to enjoy the game without backseaters.

>>25746754
What kind of moron would backseat Harvest Moon? English chatters really are the worst. Though I guess this explains why she also played Rune Factory 4 and 5 off stream. It's a shame, I liked Irys's stream of 5.

>>25742269
It was pretty based. Her manager probably had a stroke when she purged the grays. After she made it members only she calmed down and beat two bosses that were giving her trouble, then beat another first try. It seems that Megaman autists are worse than Sonic autists these days.

>>25746535
>Some people want to experience a game organically and not be spoiled by chat telling them what to do.
I mean, that's just impossible when you're watching Kronii. She NEEDS the help. And why did she allow the members to keep backseating? Looks like she saw an opportunity to make money and she took it. Very disappointing.

>>25746539
>>25746651
ame definitely lashes out at backseaters but that's a bad example since for outer wilds she almost never read chat because that game is extremely spoiler sensitive. she was acting all awkward and went offline because she couldn't figure out the last puzzle and was running around in circles for like an hour so she cut it off to "finish it off stream", but later came back after she figured it out (aka looked it up most likely).

iirc the Half Life backseaters for Ina's stream of HL2 were so exceptionally deplorable.

>>25746861
>making these leaps in logic to reach an imaginary outcome
>claims to not be schizo

>>25744770
Based.

>I'm going to make the streamers experience miserable by forcing them to play the way I want them to play
The same person making the "you didnt beat X" shitposts

>>25746813
it was hilarious how the stream quality went up immediatly after going members-only. greyfags seething ITT acting like they're needed.

>>25746908
What is there even to backseat about in HL2? It's piss-easy.

>>25746861
I doubt that people would be so strongly motivated to backseat for one stream that they would shell out $5. And even if there were people like that it would be a very small amount of people

>>25746705
I am not the anon you were first talking to.

But you're correct that a lot of the people who do one kind tend to go into the other.

But on the other hand I would like to bring up what I mentioned before which was Bae and Cyberpunk 2077. She didn't take any backseating advice and it ended up being unenjoyable because she didn't know that Cool was worthless and that you needed to put the points in the other attributes to actually do damage/level up skills past a certain point which led to her struggling on what was easy tutorial fights. And she didn't listen to chat on missions which led to help getting the bad endings for them.

Letting a streamer make their own experience is fine, but not saying anything and just letting them screw themselves because they're not good at that kind of game is a problem. Needs to be a balance.

>>25746908
Shit I remember that, it was pretty bad seeing all the checkmarks come out to tell her how bad she was and to watch them instead.

>>25746995
iirc Half Life focused streamers/speedrunners were so upset that a vtuber was playing "THEIR" game that they directly harassed Ina in her chat.

>>25746861
She's just want some cluster where literally her mariokart have two separates room for member and non.

>>25742269
Are you actually retarded enough to believe the picture that you posted paints Kronii in a bad light? This is literally the most coherent and classy way any EN has ever handled "drama". I'm probably going to member her now just because of this. Thanks OP.

>>25746996
It wasn't just the backseaters who couldn't chat, it was everyone. She probably made hundreds of members by doing that.

>>25746861
If she needed the help wouldn't she ask for it or even look it up herself?

>>25747012
I mean bad endings are content too. If they like the game enough they'll go back and get the good endings. It's not that unusual where even if the game hard locks you into a bad ending, the streamer will do some offline grinding so they can stream the good endings for kino moments with chat.

Kronii should do member stream for good instead acting like a retard child.

You have to be an underage pants-pissing retard to think Kronii did anything wrong here.

>>25747012
>Letting a streamer make their own experience is fine, but not saying anything and just letting them screw themselves because they're not good at that kind of game is a problem. Needs to be a balance.
busting into this reply chain to say i completely agree, but retards here have no fucking concept of nuance and middle grounds.

>>25745142
It would have improved the stream and all future streams, the only thing the backseaters do is make chat a unusable for both the streamer and regulars alike, learning by doing mistakes and exploring the game is what makes it fun.

>>25744770
Look at this pleb

>>25747203
Apparently not

>>25742269
>Addressing the backseating is "bad" enough to bring the mood down, and decides to simply turn members only mode
>Says backseating is ok and that she is simply bad

You can't please everybody...being half-assed about it is just going to make it worse, is just going to make chat cannibalize itself with people trying to backseat the game and others trying to backseat the mods by telling them to timeout the backseaters.

You either accept backseating or you make an attempt to it stop.
The only way to make backseating work in a way that everyone is happy about it, is by only asking your chat to backseat you whenever the streamer is stuck and doesn't have the patience to keep hitting their heads against the wall

>>25744770
Bases af, brother
Now come let's watch Kaela

>>25747393
But screwing yourself over is a part of the experience, screaming and spamming chat when the streamer does something sub-optimally or bad is what makes many genres of games unstreamable

>>25747354
I mean member only chat during streams is the only part of twitch culture I approve of

>>25747166
>She probably made hundreds of members by doing that.

Why do you make such retarded assumptions when the hard cold evidence is available? 1st time memberships are publicly showcased in the chat in the SC format.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZViiGB3eeI

Even if the chat archive isn't available on the website, they're still visible in the chat in her overlay. I hardly saw any green messages there, and even if there was, they were from the free supa you get from continuing a membership, not people with fresh 1 month memberships, hardly "HUNDREDS" lmao

I still don't understand how can streamers get angry at backseaters, are they mad because they are being "spoiled" how to play the game ?

>>25747742
Yeah it was ego, pride, and a little bit of their farts.

How can a streamer got annoyed at somebody in chat telling her what to do. Just don’t look at it retard.

>>25746539
Not really backseating but her sperging out at chat because of that card game in the Witcher is still a top 5 Ame moment

>>25747610
for the record, the middle ground is either in not being an entitled asshole by constantly spamming the streamer with your holy advice and getting pissy about it, or in the streamer explicitly asking for help. leaving random passing "hey try this" comments here and there or helping when actually asked are perfectly fine methods of "backseating", if you wanna call them that.

basically the bottom line is "don't be a fucking asshole" but again, that's an incredibly wild concept for many.

>>25747742
Wouldn't you feel a little bit offended if someone talked down to you like a child when you're trying to figure out something for the first time? Don't you value figuring things out on your own, on your own merit?

>>25747742
Yes. People do tend to care about spoilers when playing something for the first time. Not only them, but some amount of people in the chat also want to experience the story spoiler free, so doing that shit makes the experience more obnoxious for a lot of people.

>>25747742
Now a good time as any to remember this one, since we're talking about a MMX stream!

https://youtu.be/8FpigqfcvlM?t=142

Besides, Kronii only really asked for help with the location of upgrades and was totally fine with people telling her what to do there. Faggots were spamming "DO THIS BOSS NO DO THAT BOSS NO USE THIS POWER WTF DON'T GO THERE" and that's less about spoilers and more about greyfags being fucking annoying.

>>25747742
Did you ever drive car while everyone else in it was had "better idea" how and where to drive?
You want to murder those people after 10 minutes.
Same here.

>>25742604
Most effective way to ignore them - install that chat extension and block them.
Go a step further and just block all greys. Let them talk, doesn't mean you need to pay attention to them.

>>25747725
Someone actually mentioned this in a think one of the archived Infinity.

Putting membership only is counterproductive. Potential new members start as grey and they get a feel about the streamer before they decide if they want to member or not.

So if a grey comes in sees her lock them out of chat they will either not be able to interact and get a negative view or they will think the Streamer only cares about the people that pays and not member.

On the other hand, memberships don't last forever, people get bored and leave, so doing this hurt her more than help.

This is why other streamers when they get pissed at bots or backseaters either address them or they just put the restriction for needing to be sub for XX time.

>>25747974
Yeah Megaman games are another kind of game that attracts a lot of dumbasses which is kind of silly because especially X series games aren't hard.

You don't have to go in the power up order. Doing that actually makes the bosses really dumb to fight since you just spam the weakness on them instead of actually learning the fight mechanics.

>>25747725
What matters is not how many members she actually made, but how many members she thought she'd make. She did something immoral trying to make money - it just didn't work. It reflects poorly on her, and it'll take a long time for her to clean her image.

>>25747874
Thing is, even if you manage to somehow train your main community into the magical “middleground” you will have the children and retards who cannot stop themselves and the brand new viewers who came for the game and start speging out when its played “wrong”
Just think Undertale pacifist spammers
But in both those cases, most of the spam can be avoided by normalizing member only chat

>>25748145
>Just think Undertale pacifist spammers
Holy shit those in particular are so FUCKING annoying

>>25748129
Yes. The immoral act of filtering gray names. How dare she? Imagine being so pained that you can't obnoxiously spam chat instead of just watching and enjoying the streamer. Clearly this is a sin of the highest order by removing people who were clearly pissing off the other people watching the game.

>>25748129
>She did something immoral trying to make money
Ah yes, because restricting your chat to members only is the best way to get them money and members. I hope you don't unironically believe what you've posted anon

>>25748129
this is pretty good bait

>>25748252
Abusing FOMO is just as bad as abusing gambling addictions

>>25748145
>>25748210
That is a legitimate backseat though. Doing pacifist on your first playthrough saves you from completely replaying the game to get the true ending. And I don't care what you think 1 single tiny change at the event on neutral is not worth it not matter what.

>>25748129
Have you considered the reason why she put it in members only mode is to block annoying greys? If putting chat in members only mode was really an effective way to farm memberships, wouldn't you think it would've already utilized already from numberfags like Pekora? Or maybe she would've put more of a focus on members content?

>>25748382
If you're so mentally ill that not being able to be a brat in chat pains you, you should probably not be on the internet and instead sign up for a doctor's appointment.

>>25748102
Who cares about greys? She doesn't want large audience anyway. Let her do the member-chat only.

>>25748420
The whole point of the pacifist run is realizing that you can do it in the first place. Why else would Sans show up at the end to tell you that you fucked up or Flowey hint at being able to pass Toriel without killing her?

That's the point of Undertale. Spamming pacifist advice is a huge spoiler and undermines the point of playing the game in the first place.

>>25748102
All im seeing here is hypothetical claims with no hard data to back it up. Here's a hypothesis: no one would be so ass blasted from one instance of members only chat that they would forever be discouraged to never member again.

>>25742269
How is this an "anti-men" menhera tweet you dumb schizo?

>>25748428
You can't just put the chat to member only mode out of nowhere because you'll appear greedy, so she used the backseating as an excuse. She could've even played poorly intentionally to bring out the backseaters.
>>25748442
Sure, but you can say the same for gambling addiction, yet it's illegal in many places

>>25748453
I care about them. I was a grey once. Hell some of them probably have members to other HoloEN but may not be able to afford multiple ones.

>>25742269
Why people love Elden Ring when is just a piece of shit game? Is this some kind of dick measurement contest on who backseats the best?

Do you guys know what the other solution that some of the EN girls use?
Use a add-on that only shows a couple if chatters and ignore the rest, those few are the power users and paypigs
How else do you think they catch their messages so often even when chat is moving super fast
How do I know this? For no reason i get replies for like 60-80 of my messages I send in chat, despite it being one of the spammiest chats in EN

>>25742269
I can't wait to see her play Cuphead tonight.

>>25744770
Did you forget to take your meds?
If not then this is a pretty pathetic mindset and goes to show how far the whole parasocial pandemic is getting out of hand.

You're not playing with them bud you are WATCHING them play a game

>>25742604
They spam the chat a lot and ruin the mood since anybody can read it and they can be really fucking mean.
What I call your mom a whore, and try to ignore me but you're already kinda mad and I keep saying and you just keep getting angrier and angrier

>>25748622
lol are you nigger for real? it's infinitely easier to bait for superchats than for memberships.

>>25746408
Based
/Thread

>>25748622
Well that's true. It's really bum to others if she suddenly switch to a member-chat and not explaning anything that's some kind .. retard.

>>25748420
There is no weight to anything in that game if you don't make any decisions, getting forced into pacifist first play-through defeats the point

Didn't read the thread.
She just needs to smoke before streaming like Selen.

>>25744770
The problem is most backseaters are fucking retarded and don't actually give good advice. Half of them haven't even played the game they're backseating, they just give moronic, unsolicited suggestions based on how they THINK the game works. Or, sometimes they might give a valid suggestion, but the streamer might be playing in a totally valid way themselves and the backseater is just trying to force them to play the game the way they think it should be played.

>>25744770
KEK retard

>>25748721
>You're not playing with them bud you are WATCHING them play a game
If that's your mindset, why even watch her live?
>>25748747
>it's infinitely easier to bait for superchats than for memberships.
She knows, but looks like she's trying out new tactics

>>25748622
>She could've even played poorly intentionally to bring out the backseaters

lmao. Either you're extremely schizo or you're pretending to be so cartoonishly obtuse to bait (You)s. If the first, take meds, get professional help, if the second, congrats, you should focus on creative writing because clearly you can write up a convincing portrayal of the stupidest person to ever live

>itt: anons show why they, despite insisting that streaming and doing the vtuber thing is "easy", would never, ever succeed in the field
>also itt: schizos

>>25748946
I can't tell if you're shitposting if you're unironically autistic

>>25744770
Is this the worst post ever made in /vt/? Nothing comes close, I swear.

>>25748662
But Ina often catch my messages everytime i tunes to her streams even though im a grayfag idk why

>>25744770
Absolutely fucking retarded

>>25749018
Once you are added on the list, for being a regular or paying mad cash, you stay there unless you really shit the bed, gray or not

>>25748662
NOW WE'RE SCHIZOPOSTING FOR REAL LETS GOOOO

>>25748662
Irys has read 4 of my messages. All of them were shitposts and I am not a member to her. I probably could of gotten more read but it made me feel bad for getting the attention over people who were members and weren't joking around.

So maybe not all of them do this?

Luckily, that time, I'm watching fauna's karaoke.

>>25749185
>not watching both

What exactly happened anyway? What were people backseating her about so much?

>>25748420
I feel bad for streamers and new players that are forced to play pacifist first because I don't think that I would've appreciated the game as much if I were to do pacifist first. Really glad I went into the game blind

>>25749284
maverick order and telling her to dash more

>>25748615
OP probably forgot his meds, nothing surprising for /vt/

>>25748828
What if the streamer wants to do pacifist but only finds out after killing the first few enemies?

>>25749378
That's honestly so stupid. Maverick order only matters if you're speedrunning. All the bosses are easy enough to beat with just the default weapon, just need some getting used to the boss patterns.

>>25744770
> play the game with the streamer
did your brother push on the soft spots on your head when you were a baby?

>>25748946
What kind of life to you had anon? I need to know the life choices a schizo like you makes and how you ended up with this twisted sense of reality.

>>25748420
You dont even get true pacifist after a pacifist run if its the first one on a savefile, so forcing it is pointless

>>25749177
I'm a greyfag. I'm watching some HoloEnI dont use chat when it comes to kronii because her chat is running fast, but she acknowledge my art on twitter so.., 2 views and NijiEn. They read my chat and it's not that special, I just want to joke around but yeah a little bit of fun moments.

>>25742269
I fail to see how this comes close to a menhera breakdown, if anything she should've been more firm.

>>25745794
>Bae and her Cyberpunk 2077 run.
QRD?

>>25749292
Yeah it's why English Undertale streams are insufferable. Even Markiplier put the game off for a while because people were that stupid over it. What's the point of trying to get someone to optimize a blindrun?

>>25742269
Oh is that what went down? I joined maybe halfway through and she seemed mindbroken already.
MMX is literally easier than even MM2 and she cried even over that.. kek

>>25744770
Based and redpilled

>>25745794
The only time someone should be telling the person playing the game what to do is when they ask and at that point your not "backseat gaming" your just giving advice.

So no there isn't "good backseat gaming" you are like that kid in class that when they put there hand up in a really exaggerated way screaming "oh oh pick me miss oh pick me I know I know" fucking obnoxious and annoying

>>25744770
>If you don't like it, end the stream
Or they can just ban you or turn members only on. LOL

>>25749604
Don't encourage him.

>>25749604
great post! upvotes to the left

>>25749125
But I'm not even a regular, i just watch her sometimes when i need to stay up late for works

>>25749497
Do you really think they aren't constantly baiting money with fake crying and other acts? If you do, you're either dumb or gullible.

>>25750010
>streamer gets fed up with annoying shitters
>puts on members only chat to filter them out
>"this must be some evil mastermind's scheme to make more money"
this level of retardedness is very threatening

>>25750010
I'm not even talking about that I was talking about your odd ass mindset in regards to watching a streamer play a video game is you "playing" with them

>>25748981
Many of these could just be seething 2 views.

>>25750010
I hope she permanently has members only chat enabled so that faggots like you can never chat again

>>25749511
Because its not, it's like the exact opposite of one.

>>25744770
vomit

>>25750196
>watching a streamer play a video game is you "playing" with them
That's exactly what it is when the streamer appreciates her viewers. But you're right, when you have someone like Kronii who ignores her chat, or prevents them from chatting when they try to interact with her, you're not playing with her, you're just watching a video.

>>25744770
>nooooooooooooooo don't let the streamer figure things out on their own, just lets play them to the credits

>>25746056
Kronii specifically has a bit of a soft spot for her kronies if you watch member's streams. Switching to members only chat made sense. While apologizing is stupid, it's not uncharacteristic of her to do so

>>25742269
kronesters just use hyperchat and filter out non-members

>>25749943
Not all of them play favorites, Kronii and Gura has outright said they do

>>25750663
>likes the viewers who pay money
>doesn't like the viewers who watch every stream but don't pay

She wants to kill herself?

>>25750530
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Even Ina knows how to deal with a backseaters turning the subscribers-only for 13 weeks or longer. This is just a poorly execution of boundaries.

>>25750759
If you're not paying, you're not watching every stream though (unless you pirate the stream of course). I don't think this is a good way to frame it

>>25750530
Different content creators have different content. Some have an audience where chat interaction is the main point. Others, not so much. That's kind of on you for not developing enough braincells to realize that watching someone else is probably for the best.

But even with content creators who do interact a lot with chat, if chat is obnoxious, they'll bonk them too. They have to work really hard to get an audience who will filter out morons like you.

>>25745794
I remember during the stream someone in chat asked if Kronii if she wanted hints as to where to get upgrades when she was looking for them and she said yes.

>>25744770
One of the funniest posts on /vt/ recently. Holy shit my sides.

>>25750663
anon, he couldn't even afford a membership and you expect him to watch a member's stream?

When you play souls/fromsoft game. Be prepared to put up boundaries to get new viewers to learn the rules fast or fuck off. The game has been out for what 3 months? There's this aussie cunt that I watch that's taking his sweet time with the game from day ONE! Without spoilers. Anyone that tries to back seat or say spoilers gets publicly shamed on stream and executed with a vote from the members/subscribers. It's fucking awesome.

>>25750530
>you're not playing with her
Clearly not and you won't be unless she's playing an open multiplayer game with the fans
>you're just watching a video
Which is how things used to be with let's plays and people still loved it back then

>>25744770
>instead of making me waste my time.
heres your (you), just turn of the stream then anon.
>>25745951
anon, this isnt a holo excusive problem.
as fun as it is to dunk on the holos because of holofags getting mad about it, elden ring backseating gets so bad multiple vtubers have quit mid stream.
>>25746558
but anon your already in the zoo if your chatting.
>>25747080
as fair as i know it was only jolly getting heated at how bad she was playing, but i didnt pay much attention after he apologized on twitter for his behaviour.
>>25747566
i think its reasonable for her to middle ground this topic because people do complain about how despite the no backseating rule, most still allow and take backseating help from chat anyway.
she is acknowledging that some backseating can be helpful but she also doesnt like it when it goes overboard.

>>25749536
This is gonna take some context of me explaining Cyberpunk mechanics as well as future things Bae never got to.

So Cyberpunk works likes this. You have these stats:
Body-increases health,damage with shotguns and heavy machine guns, and unarmed combat. This also affects missions where you can brute force things to make it easier.

Intelligence-Affects hacking speed and hacking shit. This also affects missions where you can use hacking to either skip the hard parts of missions or to get good ends on some missions.

Reflexs-increases crit rate,pistol,rifle,and blades damage.

Technical-increases armor, lets you craft/enhance OP armor and weapons, boots damage of smart weapons. Affects missions where you can use mechanical skills to speed shit up.

And then Cool- meme, it boosts stealth attack damage but stealth attack already one shots, it boosts crit damage but is worthless without crit rate and the other attributes have skill trees that already boost skill damage. It does nothing for missions besides a witty one liner that doesn't get any real difference.

With these stats you then have skill trees in them for their respective boosts, and it has proficiency bars for each that boosts their respective types damage the more you use them. They cant raise beyond the attribute levels though.

Bae put it all in on cool, so she did not have enough any of the other stats to do proper damage regardless of what weapon she used. She didn't get far enough but several quests will end early or give crappy low reward endings if you don't have enough of a certain stat.

So she was rapidly in a situation where she wasn't getting strong enough to keep pace with the raising difficulty which led to her constantly nearly dying or actually dying on easy fights.

The missions is because CD Projekt red were stupid fucks that decided they wanted to punish people that didn't obsessively search every little thing or save scum. Two examples is the Meredith mission and the police guy one. She did not know that she could of gotten both a legendary weapon, a bunch of money, and saving the meredith (the lady was a bitch because her life was on the line and if you don't use the corrupted chip to help her prove her innocence she gets brutally killed) because she wasn't paying attention to the game and wasn't trying to branch out. Also didn't know she had to continously do side missions because the main mission is short and nearly all of the content is in the side missions.

The turtle guy the people in the quest drops hints about how he was having problems and about a cemetery, she wasn't paying attention so she just rushed the quest she made the guy killed himself.

The mission things is her choice but because of the devs she was only going to get bad endings because the unless she save scummed she would of needed chat to hold her hand. You could see after a certain point she was getting upset with it and the combat difficulty.

>>25750995
There's ways if they care enough. But even then they still wouldn't be interacting with her live so I guess it's not relevant

>>25744770
On God, I really hope you're joking

>>25751063
>Which is how things used to be with let's plays and people still loved it back then
They actually know what they're doing. Kronii should stick to making videos and cut out the parts where she's stuck in the same area for hours.

>>25744770
no wonder you niggas don't get any bitches, or friends.

>>25744770
Fucking based. These fucking clowns need to realize they're here to sing and dance for MY entertainment, not their own satisfaction.

>>25744770
You're not someone who should be watching streams, let alone chubas, at all if that's how you actually feel. Go play games with friends or family if you have any m8

>>25751266
This, but unironically and less rudely

>>25742269
How is this a breakdown

>>25751137
>Shit game was shit
I didnt know the ins and outs of this game, just knew people shat on it on release for very poor quality and saw from the few streams Bae was having a good time. I dont really watch vtubers for optimal gaming, its the failures and struggles that make it really entertaining. Something hyper autist like >>25744770
do not get.

>>25751244
Yeah with Ame too. They're both suck up to their pride.

>>25748102
I don't know how it is for other holos but the ratio of Kronii's "day one" members to new members is insanely high. Attracting new members and retaining old members hardly seems like a consideration for her.

>>25751485
Yeah that post looking back was a little extreme, Streamers should not completely bow to the whims of chat. But I do think failing at something over and over isn't good content to me past the first few times.

Bae was having a good time at the start. It was in the last stream of it where all the problems before started mounting up then she stopped playing it.

Though If you want to see a hololive playing Cyberpunk 2077 I would recommend Aki. She is doing much better and is really far into the game.

>>25742269
I miss the days when even talking about Reddit and Twitter got you banned. I remember an April Fools joke around 09-10, with links to Twitter/facebook/reddit. Now that shit is basically the reality.

>>25751669
Don't even get me started on Amelia. She's the absolute worst. Or at least she used to be, but maybe she's gotten better. It was one of her first streams where I tried to give her advice because she was doing poorly, and she got so fucking salty. Haven't watched her since. For some people, streaming is just about having their egos stroked, and such people shouldn't be allowed in Hololive (or on any streaming platform, for that matter).

>>25744770
Congratulations, you just made the worst post on the entire history of the board, and we're always being raided by discord or infested by subhumans or insects.

>>25744770
This is why watching vtubers (and I guess streamers in general) isn't generally seen in a good light because everyone thinks we are deranged like this.

>>25742269
She should just be like Ame and tell her chat to shut the fuck up.

>>25752968
Good desu. The more deranged the fans seem, the more normalfags keep themselves out for fear of association.

The problem is Kronii is enabled by her schizo fanbase who mostly happen to be namefags from here.

>>25748721
>le parasocial buzzword
Shut up, cunt.

>>25744770
Seeing the reponses to this really makes you realize how many twitter trannies we have here. Interaction with chat is one of the main points of streaming

>>25753903
Stop being a faggot.

You know what just kys noone enjoys your company.

>>25744770
the only based anon on here

>>25748721
>parasocial boogeyman
kys

>>25753973
Triggered much?, cunt.

>>25754097
You need to learn that these streamers are not your friends anon.

Accept it

>>25754161
Correct. My oshi is my girlfriend. Yours is a whore.

>>25754002
Are you stupid?

>>25744770
This post is so fucking retarded that it loops around to being based.

>>25754237
Oh no you fell for the "oshi" meme ngmi

>>25742269
She should unironically purge all the greys shitting up her kino chat.

>>25754274
>euclidian geometry
pleb
that post broke through all the metrics and it's proving that infinite is not just a concept

>>25754274
He's right though. There is literally no point to playing a game live if you're not going to take advice from chat. Just record it and upload it as a vod if you hate talking with your chat.

>>25754366
You don't talk shit with bros when you are playing videogames?

>>25754451
I do but these whores are complaining about it, they can't handle the bantz when they're shit at the game and spend an hour running in circles figuring out what to do.

So is Kiara the only one who has the balls to say she needs help from chat to finish a game?

>>25754339
>She should unironically purge all the greys shitting up her kino chat.
But listening to her get frustrated by graynames and threatening to track them down and murder them is half the fun

>>25754366
There's a difference between taking advice/hints from chat and having chat just scream the answer to every puzzle at you within seconds of you approaching it (sometimes even before). Like holy fuck calm down at least give the streamer a chance to prove themselves.

>>25754562
>having chat just scream the answer to every puzzle at you within seconds of you approaching it
This rarely ever happens and if it does it's one or two isolated retards. I've watched three Portal playthroughs now and I've basically never seen people outright telling the streamer the solution unless they get stuck on the puzzle for over 10 minutes. It's a complete nothingburger, talk about being mentally fragile.

>>25754520
No, Kronii asks chat frequently when she's stuck. When people start bitching about her not knowing a boss she just encountered for the first or second time is when shit gets bad.

She's doing Cuphead tonight so it might be even worse.

>>25754366
There is plenty of interaction can be done with chat that is not backseating

>>25754520
Say what you want about her, but she knows what streaming is all about

>>25754505
Lol see all you backseaters are just cunts look how quick you were to call them whores for no reason.

Kindly kys.

>>25754520
It takes balls?
You do know sometimes people don't want help right? And it's not about being a pussy.

God damn how stupid are you?

>>25754717
I don't know about Kronii's case specifically, but I'm pretty sure Ina stopped her Elden Ring playthrough because the backseating DID get that bad for her even after attempting to put a stop to it. Her last ER stream was a month ago and at that point people were literally telling her where to go every step of the way and rushing her through everything without giving her time to breath.

>>25742269
why do people act like backseating is a big deal? just ignore it?

>>25754815
>no reason

>>25754895
The board is filled with women

>>25754866
She should get good then

>>25754895
It's not, but she had to show who's the boss

>>25754895
It's hard to ignore if it's taking up 90% of their chat at all times. It's not like they can just turn off their chat window and remove the viewer interaction aspect altogether.

>>25754895
Women like to pretend they're strong and independent and capable of making good decisions without being directed by a man. Shattering that illusion causes them a lot of mental damage.

>>25744770
How I know youve never had a friend in your life lmao

>>25754996
I've never seen anyone turn on member only chat due to emote spam

>>25755006
cope seethe dilate ratiod molested as a child etc etc

>>25754866
It was spoilers that was the problem not backseating. People got spoiling upcoming things about to happen in the story.

People did try to make her do the ranni quest as fast possible to get to their precious wedding ring cutscene but it was majority because people kept spoiling shit.

>>25755089
Friends often play games together. It's the people who grew up watching youtube videos who don't like backseating.

>>25742269
She had a very tomboyish personality but he's femoid hormones in her veins, which leads to her brain processing emotions faster. It's very amusing, but ir can be corrected their either hrt or rape.

>>25755183 (me)
Kept spoiling*

>>25755103
That's not the same thing? Do you have brain damage?

>>25744770
based autist

>>25744770
This is not even a shitpost. It's just a shit post.

Retard here, whats a backseater

>>25744770
>If you don't like it, end the stream and finish the game alone instead of making me waste my time.

>>25744770

>>25755306
Why is it fine for emotes to take 90% of the chat but bad when backseating takes up 90% of the chat?

>>25755565
emotes don't take away the experience of watching how the streamer approaches a difficult problem in a game.

>>25754366
You can still joke around and interact with the streamer without telling them what to do or spoil things. You are legitimately retarded and so is everyone else defending backseating. You're just mad that your retarded behavior is being called out.

>>25744770
お前はもう死んでいる

>>25754339
More like cringe chat. Lol kronii should stop streaming for a week to filter you and her cringe dry jokes

>>25744770
Mods have a chance to prove they are gods here

>>25744770
>all these people seething
Based

>>25754866
She stopped streaming because botan made it first to kill malenia even radagon and the great last bost. She so slow to play knowing she streamed it first.

>>25754339
Thus denying her for potential new members?

>>25744770
I agree this girl's job is not even about beating games or enjoy them, they are meant to entertain and be charismatic
if they block people, sperg, be mad about idiots, etc. They are being unprofessional, they are not some indi streamer that can do what they please, they are a corpo tuber ,they represent a whole company and get paid handsomely with love and money
yet these girls are ungrateful filled with ego and pride and preferring to beat some dumbass game as if clearing videogames puts food in the table

Streamers should stream more games they've already played before and be more worried about wasting their viewers' time, clearly with the amount of backseaters there always are this whole "streamer's first time reaction to game they've never played before" shit isn't actually what that many people want to see, maybe consider playing new games off stream first before you do a 2nd playthrough of it on stream (assuming they ever actually care about playing games off stream for the fun of it)

>>25755306
Its true though don't make some retard deflection.

>>25756159
The backseaters are just a loud minority. I'm pretty sure the majority of viewers are people who lurk and comment occasionally because they have actual jobs or other things to do while watching and don't have time to flood the comment box.

>>25756368
Yes, I am one of these lurkers. Vtubing is my coping mechanism to deal with work and other private issues. I couldn't care less how good the streamer plays the game. I watch it for laughs and giggles.

>>25756122
They all start out humble and grateful, but only little time is needed for them to reveal their true nature as self-obsessed abominations. Reject my advice, and you reject my money.

>>25756738
Ooft, this is embarassing for you.

This has to be a shitpost

>>25744770
I kneel anonchama.
Only the pink woman can make these faggots seethe this hard.

>>25744770
Look at these redditors seething at this post KEK. Fucking Based.
Problem with backseating? GITGUD whores.

>Backsitting in the easiest X game

>>25744770
BAAAAAASED

>>25757373
You are trying too hard

>>25756122
So let me get this straight, you want every vtuber to have a super funny and clever response to beyond retarded backseating comments that literally look like something a 10 year old would post? How about you stop being a little bitch and act civil. Just because you donated 5 bucks doesnt mean that you now own that person.

>>25757610
>Playing bad enough chat had to backseat you
>Seething about it
Can we re-roll

>>25744770
yeah I find it really bizarre when streamers are upset by this. Like, you have a little text assistant that helps you out if you get stuck? That sounds great! I wish I could have that when I play games!

>>25744770
Dangerously based this post is hilarious

>>25758075
You backseaters are hilarious.

You see yourself as an assistant? Instead of some annoying faggot who can't shut up and let other people play a video game

>>25758075
Deron is near the end of her FF10 series, she had one little rule: put a heart at the end of your msg if you want to help her so she can choose to read it or skip it. She often even asked the chat if there are still books/treasure in the area and after a certain boss fight which took over 40 mins she even said that without the help of chat it would have took hours just to figure out the gimmick of the fight.

>>25742269
How long until OP kill himself on stream?

>>25758382
Wow, the amount of jealousity in this post... How about becoming a gamer yourself so you can actually be useful to your oshi instead of being a little bitch?

>>25757869
they don't have to answer every comment, but assuming you mean a donation they can simply thank the donator and say
I'll keep it on mind
thanks for the advice
i see i did not notice
etc.
they don't have to make a scene or be rude, especially since doing so will attract more toxicity

>>25744770
Based take. It's a livestream after all. If no chat interaction is wanted, they can just upload a recording instead of doing it live.

>>25759928
You keep replying to yourself

>>25742269
Women are so fucking fragile :D
I will never stop saying "go back to the kitchen you fucking whore" every time I encounter women playing games

>>25742269
I can understand her not wanting backseating. The problem was how wrong she handled the situation.

If your oshi straight up switch up to members-only without bots spammers or zhang. You are enemy to her eyes as long as you're gray.

>>25760017
It's a new ip. People are just tired of being treated so poorly. >>25758609 is a good example of how she should've handled it.

>>25744770
anon...you're retarded

>>25760725
No it's not she doesn't care about backseating so the emojis are useless it's the fact the backseaters turned into little bitch boys.

Like you can't even keep on track of the conversation can you?

>>25744770
damn, lotta maidenless replies to this one
no wonder you lot hang out here

>>25744770

>>25762268
No, just accept the fact that your oshi poorly acknowledged this issue. Encourage her to do member stream so she can act normal.

She should use a chrome extension to filter members only. So she can pretend that she is also reading non members.

>>25744770
unironically based.
imagine being so privileged that you're unable to ignore things people say and implode from reading them

>>25742269
Is mmx made her so upset, Cuphead she's going to go crazy from the backseaters.

https://twitter.com/ourokronii/status/1534696795422330880?t=ivloIR9ejS-xeQ-j9CvN0g&s=19
She can keep going.

Streamers bitching about "muh backseating" will never not be funny. Like no shit people are gonna want to comment and contribute to the game as it is being played in real-time, its not a fucking video but a stream.

>>25762268
I'm not saying she has to use the exact same approach with the emojis. It's just that she pretends to like backseating, but when it actually happens, she mutes everyone and turns it into a big drama. It seems that when Deron gets backseated, she thanks the chat instead of starting a fight. Deron's approach is obviously more effective, but it requires more self-control and humility, which Kronii lacked in this particular instance.

>>25742269
>taking strangers opinion on how to play a video game seriously enough to cause you to make any sort of real and impactful decision on your stream
>then feel the need to make a post about it like you're talking to a therapist
Why are women and trannies so fucking pathetically delicate?

>>25764897
Kronii is pretty considerate believe it or not. I like that part of her.

>>25744770

>>25750871
Every non-member stream, you pedantic faggot.
I remember when mengen's were only twice a month only because that was the minimum forced on them by Cover.

damn just noticed this on her channel...
more and more EN girls switched to "48 hours".
Mikochi in comparison has no waiting time before you can chat, and she is killing most of them in views.

>>25769647
Yeah, streaming might be the wrong profession for her

>>25744770
BASED BASED BASED!!!!!!!!!

>>25742269
Big Yikes

>>25770520
oh no

>>25744770
Based as fuck. Riled up all those simps

>>25744770
Youre wrong, but also based

>>25764897
the same could be asked of you and OP seeing how much you're all seething like little bitches

>>25770775
Anon are you lonely that you have to keep replying to yourself? Because Kronii still thinks you're a moron and will never notice your shit advice or your horrendous gaming skills.

>>25747414
Usable chat? What even is this post?
The chat is just a hivemind spamfest of emotes and "lol".
You really aren't missing out on anything

>>25769647
This is the most finest boundaries that I'm telling here. Good job kronii learn from me.

Dont ruin the schmood

>>25770860
She's streaming now, go watch her. She might even let you chat if you pay her enough.

>>25750530
This is correct. Why watch live if you aren't going to discuss or comment on what's happening? I mean I get it, there's other reasons to watch live like the simple feeling of it I guess but why not just close the chat then instead of complaing that viewers actually engage with the content.

>>25770860
>everyone who disagrees with me is one person
Meds and whatnot

>>25742269
This is why she's bad:

>gets the mega buster charge upgrade
chat: now you can charge the boss weapons
Kronii: you mean the sub tank?
>proceeds to charge the mega buster again and think she needs to swap weapons while holding a charge

>>25746908
It was some "pro" HL2 streamer that joined her stream, first just talking in general about how he doesn't know who Ina is or how he got there, then started complaining about how she was playing and what she should be doing.

getting this upset over back seating is pretty stupid but fucking souls players are almost all absolutely fucking retarded aids

>>25744770
How can someone be so autistic yet so based

I will never understand why streamers expect anything else to happen. It is literally inevitable that when you have 100+ people in chat watching you do something retarded in a game they've played before they will try to tell you to do something not retarded or something equally retarded. Expecting anything else is extremely naive. However in general it shouldn't matter because most people don't care about a vtubers gaming ability. They're entertainers at the end of the day so if they make their lack of skill entertaining then good however if it isn't then either accept chats backseating or make the focus more on whatever they're talking about rather than the game itself. I believe that backseating only really happens to a large enough degree that it takes over the chat if nothing interesting enough for chat to want to talk about it is happening in which case the streamer should instead try to be more entertaining.

>>25770853
>seething
Just because you say something doesn't make it true. Kinda like Kronii thinking she's a man. Chat really does reflect the streamer I guess.

>>25744770
based

>>25744770
wow very based

>>25742269
I don't watch hololive so I don't know why she's having a meltdown but backseaters should be banned on sight

>>25744770
redpilled, based, and objectively true.

>>25744770

>>25744770
Extremely based. Make those simps seethe.

>>25744770
They hate him because he spoke the truth

>>25744770
Unironically based. Vtubers are our entertainment. Wasting our time with horrible gameplay because they are too stubborn to play the right way is their own fault. If they get mad at backseating why even bother streaming?

>>25773076
Of course they expect it. That’s why they write a rule forbidding it.

>>25774284
>>25775018
>>25775170
>>25775359
>>25775999
Samefag

>>25755218
I don’t backseat my friends when I’m watching them play a game I know. It’s fun to watch them figure it out.