/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

A reminder that using "livers" to refer to vtubers is absolutely retarded.

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp/
>https://vtuber-ch.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://www.hololyzer.net/2j3j/
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

YOU ALL WILL DEFEND THIS!
>numberfags are racist!
>the anon doing the tally is racist!

>>25736619
>graduate yourself
>if you let me announce the date I won't raise a fuss
>fine, it's just a date
lel

>>25736594
no she wouldn't you holofag
keep the gachikoi unicorn bugs away
she has broken into the mainstream and makes a shit ton of money through ad revenue

she doesn't need you schizo fucks to scare people away

Purple woman good.

>>25735808
no data on her free chat when she hit 1m subs? i remember seeing 8k people there and tons of donations.

I love Salome.

What percentage of Niji's 100k streams are now Salome?

>>25736594
>10k gachikois in nijisanji
lol

Holo streams gained a couple of viewers more than niji streams when Salome ended

>>25736684
Is "liver" a sort of NicoNico legacy?
Nijisanji has no reason call their talents livers since they stream mostly on Youtube.

>>25736657
which one is it!?

>>25736839
this has more comments

>>25736839
borgar thread was one second earlier so this

>>25736880
>>25736869
guess we'll let the discordfags stay on the other one

>They expect ad/premium/spacha/member revenue to fall, but event and merch revenue to grow
It's Anycolor strategy currently so Salmon has little spacha is already expected by higher up

>>25736824
it's really interesting to see just how much people came to watch Salome only

I don’t know how it’s possible, but the overlap is getting worse and worse.
More unique chatters today (for obvious reasons) yet the overlap is so low that not only is Salome sporting a <50% subscriber rate for her chatters, but we’ve reached a point where only ONE single person has at least 10% of an overlap. This is as tourist as tourist can get at this point

>>25736836
i think they're trying for a more general term because Virtual Youtubers is too specific to a certain site.

Hololive gonna die

>mio got 60k$ SC in 1m sub stream
>salome got 10k$ SC in 1m sub stream

Kekekeke fuck hololive you are poor kekekeke

>shalome
Shalom?
What's the meaning of her name? Is she a Jew?

matsuri poll

>>25736926
That's because some of the nijifans that checked her started moving back to their OG niji oshi while Shalom gets new tourists

>>25736931
I'm surprised nobody using Vstreamer

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
It's over (for holocucks)

>>25736906
Yes, because they probably already know pandering to a casual audience of fair weather tourists is actually a downgrade in basic revenue. they're hoping they can swing it so they can exploit that audience in other ways without disintegrating it and are probably going to force the rest of their livers to convert to the Salome model

>>25737010
2 min results?

>>25737010
>that hairstyle
No wonder her numbers are so low

>>25736836
i don't think so
niconico streamers are called 生主, but using it for vtubers is a taboo

>>25737018 (me)
And then I remembered that not all Vtubers are streamers

>>25736945

Bots can't send sc anon

>>25737010
How long did it take to reach 100% participation?

>>25737034
she ended before 2mins

>>25736684
Didn't Ichikara try to trademark "virtual liver" back in 2018?

>>25736926
I find it funny how much the overlap fits my taste

>>25737025
>going to force the rest of their livers to convert to the Salome model
how, though? are they going to expect the other livers to maintain the same level of method acting as Salome?

>>25736824
Do you have historicals? Is Salome ratio of sleep to migration consistent or is it growing? Is it growing in any direction in particular or is it a constant split?

>>25737053
No, really, she is uglier than IRyS there

>>25737053
it's the Shoujo Ramune girl hairstyle.

>>25737019
Are nijikeks okey?

>>25737095
Congratulations, anon. You're a normalfag.

>>25737099
Cut down streaming to 1 hour a day at most, single timeslot as determined by management, you do whatever it is they put on your schedule and maintain kayfabe at all times

A reminder that using "UNCHI" to refer to your vtuber company stock ticker is absolutely retarded.

>>25737104
It's really hard to get a pattern because holos usually don't stream at this hour to catch whatever funnel she has to offer

>>25736919
>>25736824
So "they went to sleep" as always.
Nothing strange happened just ghost audience, yep oh no I mean new audience who disappear everytime.

>>25737171
Anon, there are 100+ Nijis and the day has 24 hours.

>>25736926
The overlap is very JP oriented indeed

>>25737171
That would kill nijisanji. Salome is doing well because she's a novelty

>>25737006
Fuck off this thread, newfag.

>>25737171
That's called regularly scheduled programming. Literally the TV network model.

>>25737213
there is a lot holos streaming at this hours

>>25736824
Did her stream end at the same time as Miko's?

>>25737241
That's fine, management will make them fight over which timeslots they get and for audience within those timeslots, if they're not successful they're terminated. That's how Anykara post IPO will be managed for maximum profit, 24 livers for 24 hours a day

>already at 1 121 000 sub

>>25736945

Less than Holostar serious ?

>>25737019
And for Nijikeks that follow clearly inferior livers

>>25736684
A reminder that you are forever coping.

>>25737292
Miko's stream ended half an hour earlier

>>25737332
>jpvsjp

Yang Nari's stream appeared on my recommended despite me not watching Niji's, she's getting pushed by the algorithm it seems.

Nice to see her incline.

>>25737355
Still inferior, seethe about it desuwa~

>>25737259
Exactly. I never said it was new, I said it was what they were planning on converting too, since it worked so well with Salome and they were clearly already planning on changing their operation since in their presentation they indicated they thought superchat revenue would go down but sponsorships up.

All of this aligns with the narrative that Nijisanji is soon to be converted into the Salome model

Fuwa is at 10K viewers for the Yakiniku Simulator.

VTubers are livers.

>>25737171
That's some actual black company nonsense Anon.

>>25736824
unless you compare this growth with the previous 3 mins and check for a difference, this data is useless.

>>25736945

1m celebrate 10K USD.....trash

>join Ayame’s stream
>chat filled of red superchats
every time she’s super cute though

>>25736919
>>25737240
Not really strange. Most of her audiences are normal people who aren't even interested in VTubers before. If you think that it's possible that many of those normal people are still treating her streams more or less like a late-night TV program, it wouldn't be surprising to see them just going off after her stream without being interested in any other VTuber (for now)

>>25736684
I agree, tho it's kinda funny coz it would make much more sense for holos to be called livers or hololivers.

>>25737390
Fuwa is a 10k+ streamer, he can get that with pretty much anything

>>25737399
Anykara has always been a black company, and they just went public. They will become the worst company to work for in the business soon.

>>25737332
>>25737379
how the fuck are you going to still be pissed about the Four Kings era dying out, that shit was years ago

>>25737374
Hopefully she won't get affected by KR's 100k curse and survive till her 3D debut.

Salome will be the first vtuber to get 1 salomillion subs.

>>25737435

Compare with desuwa SC

>>25737390
Cute

>>25737474
>KR's 100k curse

qrd?

>>25736836
most vtubers still did prerecorded videos at the time so "livers" was to let people know the Nijis were streamers

>>25737387
I was simply pointing out that what you said had a known term for it. I don't disagree with that business model either. In fact, I think that Hololive (especially EN) would benefit from having a more rigid streaming regiment with regular schedules to avoid the constant overlap pitfalls and dead hours.

>Mio 1m stream
>45k viewers
>60k superchats

>Salome 1m stream
>110k viewers
>10k superchats

>>25737025
Are they expecting another Gawr Gura???. Thats different. It wasn't just gura, was the entire myth, also they bring worldwide tourist the West ones who still can't get very well Anycolor. Also if we talk about merch, we know they like copy pasta every merch, insteand being original for once.

>>25737332
I can't wait for jealous Kuzuha fujo fans to start attacking salome

>>25737390
what a leech

>>25737374
>appeared on my recommended despite me not watching Niji's,
That's because of anons here posting her, this humble catgirl enjoyer being one of them!

>>25737414
Well, why not do that?

>>25737534
is this the new holocope?

>>25737240
Where did Miko's 70k go?

>>25737534
Holy fucking bots

>IRyS indirectly telling her fans that her 3D is not even in the works
Cover really has some of the worst management ever

>>25737452
>Fuwa is a 10k+ streamer
Thanks. I had a good laugh

>>25737577
Back into the box, we already looked at this before in a past thread. The total CCV within the holobox barely dropped at all when miko stopped streaming, they just flowed outwards into a bunch of different streams

>>25737586
Source: My imagination

>>25737577
>Where did Miko's 70k go?
Anon, you always ask that and you are always replied with the "funnel" chart with every currently streaming Holo getting a bit of the departing Holo audience

>>25736836
They streamed on Mirrativ before Shizuka Rin and Shibuya "King" Hajime decided to start streaming on Youtube so liver is just a general term for someone who live streams

>>25737586
She’s Hololive’s first Vsinger, of course it’s gonna be rough figuring out how to manage her.

>>25737256
The concept of novelty doesn't exist in a corporation with public shareholders.

>>25737533
>more rigid streaming
every girl have life you know, you just can't do thats just like that. Look what happen with Coco restriction. Force one to do that and everyone going to against you.

>>25736945
are you really pretending to be surprised that someone who debuted 2 weeks ago got less SC for 1 million subs than someone who took 3 years?

>>25737586
If they were going to base it on a redesigned 2D like many people speculated (and like they did for Nene) then this would make sense though. She doesn't have a new 2D yet

>>25737577
Bakatare Circus and a bunch of other Holomem streams. Some also probably went over to Salome and went back to the holobox after.

>>25737542
realistically though, would that happen? From what I gather from 5ch they're all united in using Salome to shit on Hololive

>>25737534
That was her 1 mil subs celebration stream?

>>25737673
>they use live from livestreamer rather than streamer
Sasuga JP

>>25737678
Hololive has had three Vsingers and they have all wanted to quit at various points and the first two ended up becoming proper Hololive members eventually. Suisei is known for being a bitch who gets managers fired for being useless in order to get what she needs to be done.

>>25737387

You mean ads from youtube JP , come on it's less than 100$ / 1m view clip

>>25736945
>>25737421
>>25737534

Difference is Mio has been streaming for years so her fans have been waiting for the milstone for that long. 1m does not feel like a milestone when it happens 2 weeks in.

>>25737695
I don't know what you're going on about, but from what I read of your post, it definitely isn't what you think I said.

>>25737740
thats shitposers, Fujos are right now with Kobo

>>25737623
For the most part Fuwa is indeed a 10k+ streamer

>>25737776
>Clips
Retardo.

>>25737667
>My imagination

>I'm sure it will happen one day. I mean I hope it will happen one day. I assume it's not something that will never happen... hopefully
Does that sound like she’s expecting something, anon?

>>25737414
Here you have it

>>25737534
that's the difference between having a dedicated fanbase vs tourist newfags

>>25737745

Yes

>>25737745
Check the title

>>25737849
kek, I noticed that too. Watame picked up the BULK of Salome funnel

>>25736945
Anon, when it comes to corporate VTubers, SC is one of the least important metric. This has been the case since forever, and just because Niji now has Salome doesn't change that.

>>25737774
They're actually technically right anon, hololive production (the sub-brand under Cover) did not have a vsinger before. AZKi was under INNK (who had their own management structure) and Suisei was never described as a vsinger and always organised her own music

>>25737534
>Salome 7 days revenue 91k
>Mio 7 days revenue 54k

>>25737740
LMAO
He's not the king of niji anymore
Of cause they won't feel good about the new queen of niji
Just like naosagi shit on Gura all the time

what's the podium right now?

>>25737444
No, it wouldn't

>>25737938
Salome, Salome, Miko

>>25737897
they're just grasping at straws, let them cope.
point out how nijien has been ahead of holoen for the last 6 months in sc earnings and sc suddenly don't matter anymore.

>>25737901
And to get it done she had to go through such shit management that she has a reputation as a terror for it. IRyS by contrast won't bully management into doing what needs to be done, so it just never gets done

>>25737915
so which is it shills, is it low because shes new or high because shes new?

>>25737870
WTF wait....110k view ?

>>25737963
Now you're the one coping. Why is it that even when your company has the biggest Vtuber in the world, you're still coping?

>>25737963
And Salome destroyed them all!

>>25737843
Give a timestamp not a random quote from somewhere

>>25737963
>point out how nijien has been ahead of holoen for the last 6 months in sc earnings
Just so I don't waste my time, you mean the 20 NjiEN channels vs. the 11 HoloEN channels, right?

>even if there wasn't an unarchived or if Gura didn't stream they still would've lost with an 650k revenge stream

Is Vox really nijiEN's only savior now

Anyone seeing a trend here lately?
>Back in Luxiem
>Noooo don't talk about SC amounts, it's not fairrrr
>/vt/ suddenly stops tallying SC amounts
>Now
>Lmao Salome SC count so low
Are we bringing back SC tally soon?

>>25737534
Should she start sacrificing most of her CCV with SC reading to get more SCs?

>>25737970
114k Viewers / CCV, not Views. The stream just ended less than an hour ago so YT hasn't finished processing the views yet. Probably will end up around 900k - 1M views

>>25738009
Irys current stream, she didn't end the stream yet so there's no timestamp
If you're not even watching her why do you care?

>>25738033
luxiem can take on the whole holoen alone

>>25738055
kwaychama...

>>25738055
>Are we bringing back SC tally soon?
It never went away, just move back some 2 threads back and you'll see last night's

>>25738055
Holobronies always find a way to cope, yes

>>25737891
If Watame cared about numbers, she could be spamming clubhouse 51 collabs and incline hard

>>25738078
Luxium can't even take Cripple Gold once this month.

>>25738033
Both collective and individual, anon. No one in HoloEN matched Vox or Mysta in term of SC

>>25738050
>FNF lost to Mega Man
LMAO
How can we save nijien?

>>25738107
can only viewfarm one branch at a time. pls anderstan

>>25738107
i mean in SC

>>25737778

Ok nijibro , you can compare with chloe SC stream celebrate

>>25737968
She doesn't have many gachi who throw their life savings at her yet because she is new. She still made 100k in SC alone in two weeks. What's the point of checking the latest stream when everyone was already donating yesterday and it started in the free chat room?

>>25738056
Even if she does, she'll probably end up sub-10k as a streamer. She has too many tourists and has done nothing to instill or earn loyalty from them.

>>25738107
he's talking about SCs

>>25738078
Last time I was told Luxiem could take on HoloX and I found out they couldn't, they trail HoloX by 500 thousand dollars.

Should I check them against HoloEN too? Am I being rused?

>>25738056
What, no.
Quantity has a quality to itself.

>>25738089
>Holobronies
>not Nijikeks mad at Salome surpassing their oshi and proving that the rest of Nijisanji is a failure
roru, rumao even

>>25737534
Nijiniggers will ignore this post

i only visit /#/ during these hours to collect your daily holocope and holoseethe tears

>Noel clipper who previously did nothing but Holo gen 3 clips switches over to Salome
Loyalty is dead

>>25738152
Because it's pathetic. Stop defending a bunch of tourists who don't pay.

>>25738107
Bots only for Salome now sorry
Go eat shit instead

>>25738160
No no, HoloEN literally cannot compete with chinese fujobucks that get tossed at Luxiem because the majority of their income is US dollars and there's a stigma against donating in the US otherwise you get labeled shit like simp.

>>25737673
>mirratv
based oldfag

>Holocope, Holobrony,
>Nijicope, Nijinigger
>Horseposting, Selenposting, Fubuki Copium
>Salome/Salami Spam
All of these posts are discord raiding faggots

>>25736656
why does she make holoniggers seethe so much?

>>25737534
Mio’s fans are idol fans and otaku. Salome has a lot of normies and casual fans watching her

Do you think Hololive will respond in any way to Salome's success? Non-schizo, level-headed, genuine replies would be appreciated. I just can't see them deciding to sit on their hands and letting it play out.

>>25737933
sure, but I haven't really found any much seething towards Salome from the JP side, I'd expect that by now there would be disgruntled Kuzuha fans on Twitter getting pissed

>>25738171
how many genuine NijiJP fans do you think are in this thread

>>25738174
Why compare Salome to a low quality product? Pit her against a HQ product like her own branch, you'll get more (You)s

>>25738050
Megaman nijien .....
lol helpme lolollk hi slslkbznbsekadk please join eowsk

>>25738174
same bro i love watching these retards twist themselves into knots trying to cope
>o-only superchats matter!
>b-botted views! botted subs!
>she'll definitely decline below 100k ccv! a-any day now...please...

>>25738187
Lol ok. What's the cope going to be when she is numba wan on monthly superchats for June?

>>25738230
SUCCESS
BREEDS
JEALOUSY

>>25738240
>Do you think Hololive will respond in any way to Salome's success?
No

>>25738240
No, not really. She's not relevant in the scope of things.

>>25738282
Beating Nij boys is very hard anon.

From a business point of view, what you really want is members. Recurring revenue is always better, it's predictable and people are generally slow to un-member even if the content dries up
Gura for example is grossing comfortably over a million dollars a year from memberships

>>25738062


I know but this is 1m stream , i think 170-200k .

>>25738160
>Should I check them against HoloEN too? Am I being rused?
You probably don't need to. HoloEN's SCs are pretty low (relatively) and they have neither Chloe nor La+
HoloEN top 4 SC Last Month ($):
>Ina: 28,669
>IRyS: 25,958
>Mori: 21,926
>Kiara: 21,230
Vox's SC last month: 99,339$.
Vox alone earned more SC than top 4 SC of HoloEN altogether. That should tell you enough.

>>25738055
You can always go to playboard and screen capture the top earning chuubas of the day anon. Nothing is stopping you if you want to post superchat data.

>>25738326
accruing membershiptakes time. especcially if your audience is normalfags.

>>25738285
As a company no never. The talents have been congratulating some like Lui have done so on stream. It's good for the industry that someone can take off like that since it proves vtubing is not in recline or just a pandemic fad.

>>25738182
>switches
I still see Danchou, though?

>>25738240
She doesn't seem to affect Holo viewership, so I doubt they'll have any immediate response. Heck, VTuber viewership in general isn't affected much since she has her own huge audience for herself.

Besides, Cover seems to already be set with their plans for this year: HoloX 3D's, EN 3 (only a speculation at this point but it's been a year already), and Bloom (another speculation, but sort of expected).

>>25738240
Do they even compete in the same market at all? Hard to say given their overlap (specifically, the lack thereof).

>>25738285
>cover
premiering more talents individually

>talents
more consitent scedules.

>>25738240
How do you respond exactly? What are they gonna do, hire a competing ojousama character? Even the rare times they do find talented and passionate vtubers like Laplus or Haachama they end up wasted in Hololive's paypig-dominated streaming culture until they lose that passion or its beaten out of them by overbearing managers. There's just no way to balance delivering entertaining content that draws in tourists while also maintaining the "seiso" idol image.

Ultimately this is just a difference in the philosophy of the two companies, Nijisanji are more willing to take risks on niche content(that flops more often than not, but can be hugely successful occasionally) while Hololive has a very cookiecutter style that doesn't allow for innovation, they want consistency and cultivating loyal fans over big numbers.

international silver?

>>25738515
meds?

>>25738326
Yeah, think is, by now Gura has filtered her audience down and converted them into non-tourists. By contrast, Salome is almost doing the opposite, she's not gaining any real fans from the way her salomates are behaving, her number of tourists is further diluting with even more tourists. Those don't pay for merch or memberships either.

She's so amazing bros

how long will Suisei's cover take to surpass the original?

>>25738400
Do normalfags even sub to streamers? Genuine question. I don't watch anyone other than VTubers live. The only other live streams I catch are gaming and tech press events.

Holo Rust when?

>>25738515
Hololive has Ame.

>>25738374
It should be known, Vox also ERPs like 3 times a week with his viewers and baits supas like a master

>>25738470
the overlap seems to be small on JP, the companies are appealing to different schizos

>>25738174
Same and I don't even watch her and mostly watch Hololive. But seeing all these mindbroken numberfags is hilarious.

>>25738586
teakek bro...it's not 2020 anymore...it's time to move on from that lazy NEET...

>>25738240
They don't have to do anything?
SC, merch, CCV, sponsorships, events and projects they're all doing well and Salime mogging everyone in CCV doesn't change those plans.

Just because /#/ only cares about CCV doesn't mean big corpos are tunnel vision looking at it too.

Hololive asserted dominance in EN, ID, and soon ES markets.
Their JP holos outnumber most Nijis.
They have huge sponsorships with sports teams, conbi stores, racing teams, videogames (nobeta) and even appear in some animes.

So no, one 100k streamer in an otherwise underperforming corpo isn't going to scare Cover in any significant way.

>>25738563
bot?

Will this beat Salome?

>>25738072
Because things like these get requoted without any basis and are slowly assumed to be true.

>>25738581
Rush is men's game, idolwhores should comeback to play dress up game or something

>>25738515
Nijisanji is absolutely terrible at innovation, what are you talking about? Salome is more holo than niji, and her content is extremely conventional.

>>25738661
Twitch or YT?

>>25738535
como?

>>25738709
what tech did hololive contributed to the vtuber scene?

Do you guys love her? Or should i say, how much do you guys love her?

>>25737849
Will be interesting to see how this goes long-term. It'd also be interesting to see if some of the unique, Salami-only chatters end up somewhere else/what kind of spread they have when she does filtering content like the English learning stream. Don't know if anyone if autistic enough to track that though.

SC is not important
>you mean goods ?

Holomembers recieved 80%+ profit form offical goods cuz they make the goods from them pocket not corp.

>>25738515
>Nijisanji are more willing to take risks on niche content
Anon, they picked the ojou archetype and she has been using the holo playbook (for now, at least).

>>25738709
good bait, you earned the (You)

>>25738661
Wouldn't even beat today Niji 3D's numbers

>>25738707
There's 5 girls in that image

>>25738581
when they can take some heat and split into factions and cliques, shit will get numbers for a stream or two and lose steam like ARK

>>25738709
Keep on talking out of your ass.

>>25738648
>So no, one 100k streamer in an otherwise underperforming corpo

Dude they literally released their financials, they’re not underperforming in the slightest

>>25738648
That's true, but it's important to never be complacent.

>>25738795
We're already tracking it. The few that are transferring seem to be moving to Watame

>>25738576
Yea, to some extent. Especially if said streamer asks them to sub.

>>25738569
Maybe 3 weeks

Since memberships came up, this is the current absolute floor for HoloEN member counts (determined by likes or votes on member content in the last month). Note the real count is probably significantly higher than this, engagement on posts is far below 100%.
Gura: 20k ($100k/month)
Ina: 5400 ($27k/month)
Ame: 3900 ($19.5k/month)
Kiara: 1900 ($9.5k/month)
Mori: I don't have a Mori membership lol

Wait, i just got out of work, how come Salome 1M celebration "only" go 114k, while part 9 of RE7 got 108k. Aren't celebration supposed to be big buff stream ? It even got a tweet from the official Niji twitter. I expected at least 150k or more

>>25738810
th-they're botted

>>25738762
>>25738800
>>25738809
Looks like I triggered the Discord shits kek

>>25738868
I'm thinking 2 weeks if it hits trending but 3 weeks is a safe estimate

>>25738581
You get the fun by killing others, I don't think their manager would allow that

>>25738873
>Gura: 20k ($100k/month)
jesas

>>25738810
Their financials are bad dude. Stop coping, you don't understand business.

>>25738874
it's not big buff when it only took you 2 weeks to get there

>>25738090
I think she should do a yahtzee totsu with people she hasn't really collabed with. She got Okayu to show up to her birthday, but still no Korone collab. Subaru seems to have taken a liking to her as well, so it'd be another person she could get on that she hasn't really done anything with.

>>25738873
Is this all the memberships you have? Any data for HoloJP or Niji?

>>25738800
And look at where her creativity took her, meanwhile Salome did the most cookiecutter streams and fucking mogged her.
Wonder how she feels.

>>25738874
She barely even celebrated, she just played the meme yakiniku game for 15 minutes and then cooked yakiniku irl while talking about random stuff.
It was just a normal zatsudan really.

>>25738810
The COMPANY isn't underperforming, but from a 'how well do the streamers do day to day numberswise' they've been in a bit of a slump over the past year or so. They do well enough in big events, hence the company itself and the brand are A-OKAY, and clearly they're moving merch at a rate that's also sustainable, so doomposting about how they aren't earning enough money is silly, but when the average CCV is sliding down for the company for months on end, it's slightly concerning for long-term trends (talking about before the ID+KR mergers).

*FINAL INTERNATIONAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

Here it goes
>23,246: Gura (Holo EN)
>12,107: Fauna (Holo EN)
>10,674: Kronii (Holo EN)
>10,541: Mysta (Niji EN)
>7,709: Baelz (Holo EN)
>6,551: Amelia (Holo EN)
>5,910: Nari (Niji ex-KR)
>5,224: Ike (Niji EN)
>5,132: Uki (Niji EN)
>5,077: Sonny (Niji EN)

>>25738736
Idk, I just found it on Yaman's Twitter.

>>25738874
viewfarm dont care about content

>>25738926
I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about.

>>25738873
Can you try checking the milestone messages for an entire month

It true Salome announced a singing stream?

>>25738912
Yeah, I was also considering that Ghost City Tokyo hit it big, maybe the same would go for this song but 2 to 3 weeks should be just about right

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

>Here it goes
>23,246: Gura (Hololive)
>12,107: Fauna (Hololive)
>10,674: Kronii (Hololive)
>10,541: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>7,709: Baelz (Hololive)
>6,551: Amelia (Hololive)
>5,224: Ike (Nijisanji)
>5,132: Uki (Nijisanji)
>5,077: Sonny (Nijisanji)

>>25738940
Anon, Gura's member's streams are some of her better content, this should come as no surprise to anyone who's membered to Gura/paid attention to her numbers in the long term.
I think really nowadays on the JP side only Pekora (pregifted memberships), Marine and Watame can compete on that front, and gifted memberships wildly distort things heavily in favor of Watame.

>>25738982
Thanks Int tally anon

>>25738555
You that turist can just go to antoher stream and forget about you later. Member don't. Gura member is the most biggest of all holos because she knows how to pander them as a child and make them go also to other streamers from holo too. Even senzawa did the same thing except she was alone back then.

>>25738946
Nah, she will play some indie jrpg and read superchats for 8 hours instead

>>25739045
She announced a collab with Debi

>>25739051
Ghost City was just very good timing since Yoasobi released his new song on the same day, I doubt this one will trend.

>>25739053
kys

>>25739045
Mentioned it.

>>25739053
Mysta your podium...

>>25738797
>>yagoo said he has salary less than Coco ... ummm

>>25738975
>median 2K+ in a company holding hundreds
Literally 95% of streamers and MCN will kill themselves for this kind of median. Don't get your brain numberrotted.

>>25738982
>international tally
Can't wait for Kobo to dominate this one

So does Takamori off collab get over 10,000? 12,000? 15,000? 18,000 peak?

>>25739088
Is this how Watame built her cult? Continuous nonstop superchat reading all day every day?

>>25739053
milord....

>>25739144
it's on Kiara's channel so 12k is the best I'll estimate

>>25739158
she does the content people paywall behind membership for free, she's just that parasocial with her chat. people subscribe because they get invested I know because I did it

>>25738982
>>25739053
kys

>>25739144
>Gyaru's channel
hah, good luck

>>25739158
Yes, slow and steady. and her superchat readings are basically 10% SC reading and 90% zatsudan

>>25739196
I forgot to say, I'm putting it at 14k myself. Kiara and Eurozone will kill it.

>>25739158
She streams a lot. More than anyone else before Koyori. The long zatsudan+SC readings help though.

>>25739144
I'll say 20k. There's literally nothing to overlap them and Takamori is STILL somehow popular despite the fact that they had pretty much fallen out for months

>>25739141
kobo will never break 20k

>>25738874
If you are being serious, my guess would be that most of her audience are normal people or former VTuber fans instead of VTuber fans. They are essentially treating her streams like some kind of late night TV program, so her numbers won't be changing much (it might go up or down "slowly" as her popularity grows or her hype slows down, still)
That'd explain why her zatsudan stream's CCV match her normal gaming streams', and her RE numbers didn't change much over 9 streams. This might or might not change in the future, idk.

>>25739276
her karaoke broke 20k

>>25739276
But she already did

>>25739028
Posting the milestones is optional, people have tried this before and it usually comes to a lower number than member post engagement

>>25738960
Suisei: 6500
Watame: 3100
Kanata: 2700
Pikamee: 650
The others I have don't have recent enough data to be a fair comparison. Note Suisei's membership is cheaper than usual, and Watame's is probably much larger than this because she gets a stupid number of gifted members who probably won't go and like her posts

>>25739139
Anon, slight concern should always be a thing when you start trending downwards on a daily numbers basis. Not "oh shit we HAVE to do something" levels, but a "we should evaluate and course-correct if needed" so you don't end up knee-deep in shit because SOMEONE forgot to do some GODDAMN BASIC MAINTENANCE!
.....
Anyways, point being that of course anyone that's getting 1-2k viewers is doing perfectly fine if they're streaming regularly even with corpo cuts, but it doesn't hurt to evaluate things and adjust before they get dire in say, two to three years.

I'm going to laugh so hard if Mori goes all the way to Europe and she only does one off collab stream with Kiara.

>>25739144
10k best, Mori and Kiara both debuff. Mori always being awkward on stream and Kiara's voice just filter out tourists.

>>25739294
>wrecked that anon in 23 seconds
boy, you're vicious

>>25739053
>EN GOLD SO FAR FOR JUNE

1. Gura (Hololive) - 24,412 (The Stanley Parable: Ultra Deluxe)
2. Gura (Hololive) - 18,716 (The Stanley Parable: Ultra Deluxe)
3. Kronii (Hololive) - 10,059 (Powerwash Simulator)
4. Gura (Hololive) - 20,896 (Minecraft w/Amelia, Fauna, Kronii, and Baelz)
5. Vox (Nijisanji) - 13,190 (Graduation ASMR)
6. Fauna (Hololive) - 8,655 (Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag)
7. Mysta (Nijisanji) - 10,389 (650k Subscriber Countdown)
8. Gura (Hololive) - 23,246 (Minecraft)

Hololive - 6
Nijisanji - 2
Others - 0

Gens are over. Long live solo debuts.

>>25739317
>Watame
>3100
Now I know this is a floor, but that is 100% way, way, WAY too low for Watame.

>>25739144
I'm mixed between them having to be lucky to get over 15k and thinking it should be easy since it's an offcollab. I think Takamori has deteriated too much for that though.

>>25739351
debuting gens will forever be better for holo because it sells the box easier

>>25739374
Like I said, the actual numbers are going to be substantially higher than these, it's just the confirmed minimum

>>25739337
Who the fuck tourists off collabs?

>>25738894
My post btw. I'm just only kidding. I have no idea what you're talking

>>25739351
IryS...

>>25739342
>6. Fauna (Hololive) - 8,655 (Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag)
This will never not be funny.

>>25739391
How does the holobox avoid culling since only solo debuts can dodge it?

If the Takamori collab was a karaoke stream it could easy 20k easily I think. But the title just says it'll be gaming and chatting, so, 15k is probably going to be a struggle.

>>25739391
Is Salome's tide effecting the rest of nijisanji much?

>>25739474
ID3 avoided it

>>25739017
He's right though. Doing PVE in rust is like playing minecraft. The fun of rust is derived from making other suffer. Raid, door camping, looting, etc.

>>25739491
No, they did not. Kobo is probably actually breaking 30k every stream.

>>25739474
ID3 didn't get culled much at all. Now that Cover is MCN with Youtube I imagine the sub cull for a new gen will be drastically reduced.

>>25737542
Nah, I watch both

>>25739053
Last year Gura BD was 54k, I wonder this definetely above 40k already or probably even more than 50k?

>>25739534
he's talking about sub culls

Did salami mentions any niji collabs?

>>25739545
I'm expecting 50k with a spike since we have the 4million this year

>>25739534
The bf hit her this hard or she's just boring?

>>25739489
Salome's viewers only watch Salome. Other Nijis haven't gotten any bump at all.

>>25739493
I was referring to what managers would or wouldn't approve. The only possible problem that I can see is if this somehow breeds hostility between the fanbase, but I am sure that by this point, anyone that would be this retarded has been filtered out. I don't think Holos would be hostile to each other from playing this game.

>>25738581
Women wouldn't understand it

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>114,132: Salome (Nijisanji)
>108,308: Salome (Nijisanji)
>71,446: Miko (Hololive)
>63,628: Masaru (Nijisanji)
>33,418: Watame (Hololive)
>23,162: Gura (Hololive)
>22,659: Shion (Hololive)
>16,839: Ange (Nijisanji)
>16,305: Ayame (Hololive)
>14,703: Haneru (774 Inc.)
>14,182: Koyori (Hololive)
>12,567: Met (774 Inc.)
>12,557: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>12,355: Hololive (Hololive)
>12,275: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>12,081: Fauna (Hololive)
>11,766: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,521: Subaru (Hololive)
>10,647: Kronii (Hololive)
>10,541: Mysta (Nijisanji)

Why do Nijisanji play Civ but Hololive won't? I thought perms were impossible or the game was politically dangerous or something, but Niji got away with it?

>>25739351
I don't think this is true at all. It got a lot of attention because it was a novelty, but if you have a solo debut every few weeks it's going to stop being an event

>>25739611
she literally has the 3rd highest median after Kobo and Moona, what are you talking about?

>>25739656
They have permissions, but Holos can't because "seiso" mentality bred from idol culture.

>>25739644
>JUNE 2022 GOLD
1) Salome (Nijisanji) - 97,905 - Resident Evil 7
2) Haachama (Hololive) - 46,696 - 4th anniversary totsumachi
3) Salome (Nijisanji) - 96,226 - GTA V
4) Salome (Nijisanji) - 94,165 - Resident Evil 7
5) Salome (Nijisanji) - 102,804 - Resident Evil 7
6) Watame (Hololive) - 77,793 - 3D birthday live
7) Mio (Hololive) - 46,701 - 1 million subs karaoke
8) Salome (Nijisanji) - 114,132 - 1 million subs celebration yakiniku

>PER COMPANY
5x: Nijisanji
3x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
5x: Salome
1x: Haachama, Mio, Watame

2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
106x: Hololive
44x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
17x: Pekora
16x: Aqua
12x: Miko
11x: Kuzuha
9x: Salome
7x: Subaru
6x: Hal
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Mio, Suisei, Toya
3x: Choco, Gura, Hololive, Okayu
2x: Ange, Chloe, Flare, Fuwa, Korone, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, Botan, Calli, Chronoir, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Roboco, Rushia, Sora, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

>>25739493
>The fun of rust is derived from making other suffer. Raid, door camping, looting, etc.
kek, also trap houses!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNnelu2IVS8

This Oblivion dude, fucking kek, he owned the meta for a while in a period the most toxic the better!
That wouldn't work for corporate chuubas tho, the fanbase would EAT them alive!

>>25739708
Yes, clearly seiso idol culture is the reason they play things like Doom Eternal and Sausage Legend but not Accidental On-Stream Political Controversy: The Game

>>25739656
>Why do Hololive not play X
Because they don't want to

>>25739489
Not really. There was a 6k funnel after her stream today: half went to Niji while the other half went to Holo.

>>25739656
I think Botan floated the idea of a Civ collab way back when, but I got the feeling there weren't too many others interested. Same with Arma3.

>>25739672
I only look at the screenshot anon since i don't follow her and in that screenshot she's not even on par with Kaela

>>25738797

If you want money , family , no stress , fame , idol concert - hololive
If you want competition , freedom , test yourself, risk - nijisanji

>>25738050
Wait are you fucking kidding me I missed a Fauna unarchived karaoke

Any SC count for salome? Did she get the big bucks for her milestone?

>>25739785
You say that, but that is unironically the reason. Did you forget the issue with Mumei not being allowed to make streams about history?

International tally por favor

>>25739785
Killing demons is okay.
Being blamed for racism on twitter by the bunch of deranged jews is not.

>>25739880
Your scrollup reps anon?

what are all the highest non-gold non-event streams? At this point I get the feeling Miko might be crowding out the list, her big incline coincided with Salome.

>25739851
>can't even read the thread
Why are faggots like this?

>>25739851
5m yen over the last two days

>>25739656
The actual answer is because Hololive is not a company of hardcore gamers, and Civilization is a fucking strategy game. They would get filtered, their viewers would be filtered, it wouldn't preform well

It's always fascinating to see kobo's early ccv being so low compared to now, i thought zeta would be the ace of the gen/HoloID

>>25739627
Just wait till fanbase A see their oshi got offline raided by idol B

>>25739836
ok zhang

>>25739843
Yesterday's uuu general has the archive I think.

>>25739843
It was great, she sang Riptide

>>25739855
It has nothing to do with idol culture anon, they're just afraid of political yabs because one blew up one of their biggest talents and led to another still getting spammed by angry communists a year later

>>25739644
7 nijis(2 Salome)
5 holos
nijisanji strong!!!

>>25739919
That's still a (YYYYYYOOOOOUUUUUU). You're not slick.

>>25739953
even out of the gate, her ccv was better than zeta

>>25739843
It was cute, she sang for 3 hours
>>25718594

>>25739953
The BF yab and her debuff game selection is doing that.

>>25740011
Mathchama?

>>25739745
>5x: Nijisanji
>5x: Salome
No wonder Nijimembers are seething. She is more popular and successful than everyone else in their company which is something they hate seeing.
Salome is forcing the Nijiniggers to recognise that there hasn't ever been anything like a Hololive bias that they have insisted exists and that anyone in Nijisanji can be successful if they are actually good streamers who people want to watch and paints all the Nijis before Salome as abject failures

>>25740011
Can you count to 10 for me?

>>25739474
The short live2d vids they put on Twitter just need to be put on Youtube as well. Also maybe don't link other channels on the channel page until after debut.

>>25739979

I'm JP

>>25740041
oh zeta has a bf? yeah that would do it, I was wondering why she was doing so poorly after her debut seemed to go so well

>>25739644
お嬢様最高

>>25738961
Can she blame her? It's an all out war LOLOLOOL

>>25739656
some people did suggest Subaru playing CIV during her today's Cities skylines stream.

>>25739922
STRONK

When was the last time a non-Holo company won a majority of days in a month? Has nijisanji ever done it? Is Salome going to bring home a win for the company for the first time ever?

>>25739997
Yeah just like Miko saying nigger

>>25740135
Again, it might happen now that Nijisanji did it to show it was possible to not have it explode into controversy. They probably do need pre-stream prep to avoid even mentioning china or something though

>>25740174
>Has nijisanji ever done it?
Pretty much every summer, due to Koshien

>>25739644
>Hololive 11
>Nijisanji 7

>>25739627
Some Holofans get angry whenever they do anything more than harmless Minecraft pranks, they'd lose their shit if Holos played a game where you're supposed to grief each other. Aqua got backlash just because she wanted to have her own faction in ARK.

>>25740011
(You) should neck yourself.

>>25740189
And Korea! As long as they just don't touch anything related to East Asian politics they can probably get away with it and make it popular through collab games which are always buff content

>>25739953
If Zeta had been what she projected herself to be in her debut, then she easily would have been the ace. As is, she's done zero ASMR streams and no English only streams, so she doesn't have any of the appeal that people thought she would have.

>>25739474
>Don't link gen channels on debut, wait until about month or so after. YT really fucking hates channels that link each other as it thinks these are bots using these links to -funnel- to each other and fast-sub to 5 channels all at once
>Don't stall, debut FAST after revealing the channels to avoid an empty channel getting a ton of subs with no content

>>25739836
>competition
>risk

>>25740223
Aqua already had a bunch of antis before that. It was just easy ammo.

>PSSSSSSSSST, HEY NUMBERFAGS!
Why can't chuubas play being THIS toxic without repercussion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gBVX9unGQw

I mean, if Miko can say nigger, why can't (let's say) Pekora trap (let's say) Subaru, then call her a little beach?

>>25740223
It would be kino if there's another 'suicopath'
Hololive feels too bland nowadays. Rarely any story arcs

>>25740066
This. Honestly Salome's success harms more her own coworkers than the competition. Imagine you're Mito, doing your darned best for years and still be behind Kuzuha and the holos, thinking it's because it's manjisanji and Holobias for the girls. And then all of a sudden Salami arrives and takes the top 1, people everywhere call her simultaneously fresh and a throwback to the good old days of vtubing. But Mito was there! She's part of the good old days and she's being forgotten for this kayfabe ojousama.

If Bae doesn't get her shit together she's actually going to be passed. She's already dangerously closed in getting passed in total views despite having a song that did well and some covers that did OK.

>>25740245
>As long as they just don't touch anything related to East Asian politics they can probably get away with it
Got it, just set up a game with all the East Asian countries excluded, then play as Russia and invade Georgia

>>25740110
>Poorly
She gets 3-4k every stream and is literally only behind Moona and Kobo in CCV, and Moona is only ahead of her because of holofes. Idk why people think Zeta is just like doing horrible or something. She’s so much farther ahead of everyone else in ID

Or have people forgotten that ID are regularly sitting at 1-2k, or how an ollie karaoke recently peaked at 2.5k

>>25739493
Holy shit imagine Pekomiko beef in this game, ultimate kino

>>25740218
Hololive bots 10
>nijisanji 7
>hololive 1

>>25740358
kobo raised the bar

>>25740110
It's not confirmed, she was seeing or listening to a romantic stuff and she said: "ohh that's so romantic!! It reminds me of.......my family".

Ever since then people include her with Moomers and Fauners

>>25740374
>Pekomiko
NGMI

>>25738050
>consecutive 10K+ streams
good for you, Mysta

>>25740460
They only hit 10k because they were numberfagging streams...

>>25740189
can't they just replace those civilizations with workshop's hololive mod?

>you see a Nijisanji member being successful is actually a BAD thing for Nijisanji

>>25737511
Basically, everyone who got past 100k graduated.

>>25740317
Minecra has an update recently, we might be getting kino story arcs soon.

>>25740310
You can, you just need to set up the company culture such that these sorts of things are A-OKAY.
Hololive has too much hugbox culture for it to be okay, and Niji...well, you COULD do it in Niji, but only with the right members otherwise you end up with "Having to BAN Kuzuha's name while playing ARK" situation ( I think it was ARK, can't remember)

>>25740341
Bae needs to break kayfabe asap and use her sexy normal voice instead of her hyper rrat voice

>>25740481
man that sucks...

>>25740374
>Miko lost a full AK kit to Pekora cheeky shotgun trap base
>Camp her house for 12 hours with a double barrel
Maybe in another timeline we can this kino

>>25740347
Unironically, it wouldn't go anywhere consequential. Hololive is mainly JP, and if the political YAB isn't anywhere geographically close to them it won't go far, and non-Asians can't anti for shit compared to Asians

>>25737534
Mio has like 3 years' worth of Gachikois mate, Salome hasn't been around long enough to get dedicated fans yet.

>>25740390
Kobo didn’t raise any bar because there’s literally no one who can even replicate it. Kobo before she got promoted by the biggest streamers and was on national TV was regularly getting 4-8k. That was the case for like an entire month, with some really great streams here and there like outlast or her karaoke. People just magically forgot how awful a spot ID was in before ID3. I mean literally. all of ID3 are in the top 5 for viewership. They basically saved that branch, Kobo didn’t even need to enter the normie sphere to make that happen. Just being normal Kobo would’ve still resulted in a massive success

>>25740017
Zeta was slightly higher in the first couple stream. Zeta has a lot more tourist so once they go back watching their oshi her number plummeted.

>>25739391
one good reason to move into solo debuts is to avoid another sankisei situation where mentioning the group as a whole triggers discussions about a fired member regardless of where it goes.

>>25740514
More like she needs to stop playing trash and play something that actually gets attention. Minecraft is a good start but now she cancelled because she's sick, and if she doesn't get better that means her karaoke is gone too. She's a hot mess.

>>25740480
There's a difference between it being a bad thing and it not being a good thing
As people have said, she's not taking viewers away from other members, but she's not bringing in any new ones either. As far as other livers are concerned she may as well not exist

>Fact
Nijisanji members180 +
No money for food. Amen

>>25740375
no wonder they get so many streams above 10k kek.

>>25740473
Or they could do this. I mean, why not do it then?

There's literally no reason not to unless they don't find the game any fun, if that's an option

>>25740487
That game is pretty much dead without Pekora...

>>25738033
Also during the month of Elden Ring spam btw

>>25740570
waitn tourists leave after a few streams?

>>25740250
But she did an asmr yesterday

>>25740480
Yes actually. Salome is an honorary holo now

What happened to the NijiEN boys? Have they not had any special streams since the big offcollab?

>>25740341
>She's already dangerously closed in getting passed in total views
ASMR long term is pretty powerful. Easier to make than music, can get just as many views. If Fauna lucked out of the algorithm once her total views would skyrocket, harder to luck out like that with normal streams/music. Kind of wish she tried harder and did more experimental ASMRs to attempt that really. Most just does ear massage.

>>25740653
Roleplaying into a mic is not asmr and I fucking hate vox for making people think it is

>>25740607
Oh my cried

>>25738240
>I just can't see them deciding to sit on their hands and letting it play out
I can totally see them doing just that because Salome poses zero threat to their business model.

>>25740487
Subaru trial arc.... to be fair though, it's probably not gonna happen again since miko got involved in it

>>25740358
>ollie
>karaoke
that's a debuff anon

>>25740549
How is she going to? Please explain her plan because:
> refuses to stream longer than an hour
> won't break kayfabe
> won't do fanservice
> hasn't shown any interest in creating a fanbase, like she's not even given them a name.
Can she convert the 100k tourists into 100k devoted fans? You know that's what separates a superstar from a shooting star?

>>25740675
>What happened to the NijiEN boys?
their views plummeted after Salome's debut
pure coincidence I'm sure

>>25740667
This is actually the closest that meme has ever been to being true, she literally funnelled more viewers to Hololive than Nijisanji last time she stopped streaming

Bros, did you know that Vox can easily buy your Holo oshi and she'll serve him as his personal whore till the end of her life?

>>25740066
>>25740323
kek
the holobugs have totaly lost it

>>25740323
Stop falseflagging, or if you are gonna go that route then don't double standard this shit, cause you can say the same for robico, sora, almost all of gen 1.
There's nothing more stupid than a stranger dictating how a streamer MUST feel about something

>>25740693
Whatever the fuck is ACTUALLY wrong with the two of them, they really just need to sort their shit out, because Pekora has consistently dodged Miko ever since meeting her ONCE during the sportsfes prep last year. Considering everything they've been through even before Hololive, this is getting really fucking stupid.

>>25740588
Give it two months or so and her viewers will slowly percolate outwards. We looked at the graphs last thread and let's just say, Watame's family is gonna get bigger soon.

>>25738873
>Mori: I don't have a Mori membership lol
based

>>25740189
>>25740473
Civ 6 lets you remove any civ you want for a custom random civ selection. Just need to set it up before starting the stream and nobody would know.

>>25738982
Bless you anon, I hope you can be consistent about this, I like this tally.

>>25740817
Nijiseethe

>>25740250
>then she easily would have been the ace
She still wouldn't be ahead of Kobo.

>>25740745
Did Niji or Hololive lose more when she started?

Play Endless Space instead. There. No more IRL politics.

>>25739053
kys