/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

someone tell me if the holos had ever collabed with some random indie, or with those from other companies

>>2567387
Because the language barrier and awkwardness makes them uncomfortable during streams, that's why some of them are taking language lessons. Not sure if Ame is even taking JP lessons tho.

>>2567471
Ina did, but I don't remember with who

>>2567554
>>2567471
and if you mean holos in general not just HoloEN then they did a lot, do your reps

>>2567387
This image makes me uncomfortable.

>>2567387
>2/5 of the HoloMyths speak little to no Japanese
>most HoloJPs speak little to no English
>they are all socially awkward recluses
>Calli and Ina have inflexible schedules and high workloads behind the scenes
There's your answer. The only reason Kiara has them for HoloTalk is because she's a stacy who reaches out to her senpai and has no behind the scenes commitments.

>>2567949
This and at this point it’s confirmed management is stopping certain collabs as well.

>>2567387
enma stopping them
enma love

>>2567471
matsuri did alot if I remember right

It looks like cover has noticed how shit the western market is and is trying to keep the JPs from getting harassed by EN fans.

>>2568818
There are many, Korone collabs with Nijisanji every now and then, she's friends with Debi and Inui Toko.

>>2567387
Enma's a white supremacist.
Yes, she doesn't give a shit about that "honorary" bullcrap either.
Enma LOVE!

>>2568902
*He

>>2568902
But Japanese are honorary Aryans

>>2568902
Who the fuck is Enma?

>>2569740
me

>>2567949
>they are all socially awkward recluses
>Kiara
I don't know about socially awkward. When non-awkward person gets it on you start bitching about it.

Gura got salty at that among us collab so now doing collabs is damn near impossible it seems.
That's just a rrat tho, the real reason is who the fuck knows, the only info we have is as follows.

>Ame rarely reaches out for collabs outside her gen, its usually the other person that asks(Reine, Ollie are good examples)
>Gura is a massively social autist, worst than Aqua and given her NUMBERS is probably the princess in the tower
>Mori and Ina are insanely busy.
Kiara is the only one that seems to both do collabs and get approval for them, she's actually collabed with at least one member of every Holo gen, but Kiara speaks fluent JP so the language barrier isn't an issue for her.

Its honestly hard to say why they're kept apart like this.

>>2569885
There was that collab with Mori and Korone.

>>2567949
Then how do you explain that every collab that they have had with Polka and Nene have been a blast despite them being the most ESL of holos?

As much we all like taking turns kicking the old scapegoat I doubt management is the problem here.

It's most likely just the language barrier. Kiara is collabing with JPs just fine, and it's because she can understand them.
Now if only there was some big titty dragon that could speak fluent English for them to collab with.

HoloEN feels a bit isolated in general lately. Gen 2 can't come soon enough, I think with so much of Gen 1 being socially awkward and reclusive it's easy for them to just float along doing solo streams.

Also people underestimate the massive convenience the JP side has in that every single member is within an easy train ride of the main studio or an offcollab

>>2570092
They couldn't be much further apart. Two in the states, one in Canada, one in Central Europe, and the last in fucking Asia. Holomyth spans the width of the fucking globe. Gura and Ame are allegedly on the west coast but that's still a shitton of potential distance between the two. And neither of them can drive? Fuck me.

So yeah agreed basically, Japanese geography and infrastructure makes collabs very easy comparatively.

No because holo id members constantly collab with jp members and holo talk is actually an official collab show. The other holo en members are just autistic or don't have any strong interest in holo jp. Holo id members actually aggressively try to collab with holo jp members.

>>2570090
Ah yes, the language barrier banned Haachama from the EN Minecraft server and made it so EN can't even mention Coco by name anymore.

Holo ID seems like the go-between. EN collabs with ID often, JP collabs with ID often. EN rarely collabs with JP.

>>2568902
none of the ENs are white tho, except Kiara i guess, but Enma hates her anyway

>>2570245
Thats all your delusional speculation. Even if the en server bans jp members, there's an actual proof that Kiara can log in the jp server so if the other en members are as super motivated as her they also can and collab with a jp member. Hard to belive only Kiara is privileged, so in reality they aren't really motivated.

>>2567387
why does waachama look like Artias roommate

>>2567387
Pretty sure if any of the girls ever collabs with Coco, and seeing the absolute state of the EN's comment section, the chances of a race war happening in chat are close to a 100%. Let's be honest here, people were going absolutely retarded with Yagoo kissing up to China...until he wasn't.

>>2570245
The thread is about why Hololive EN and JP don't collab.

Haachama being banned from a server and Coco not be allowed to collab isn't stopping the other 30 fucking members from collabing with EN.

>>2570090
Didn't Calli collab with one of the pink boys from holostar? Pretty based if you ask me.

>>2567471
How fucking new

>multiple Haachama collabs
>multiple Ollie collabs
>multiple Mel collabs
>multiple Moona collabs
>multiple Reine collabs
>Roboco collab
>Played with Aqua offstream
>multiple among us collabs and actually had fun in them

Am I missing any? Ame is the true Chad of holoEN.

>>2567387
It's not surprising, only Coco and Haachama can speak english, and only Kiara and Ina can speak Japanese. Kiara does the holotalk somewhat regularily, and has done some other collabs like the one with Subaru or Pekora. Ina is an introvert and is very busy with her normal job, so collabs in general aren't that common with her.

>>2570498
>Amelia has at least fucked them ONCE
How can one chuuba be so based?

>>2570549
Mori speaks better Japanese than Ina. Whoever believes otherwise doesn't watch streams.

>>2570575
Ina doesn't speak perfect Japanese, but Cali is even worse. Which is suprising considering she has lived there for a while.

Didn't Ame/Mel/Zombie play apex together last week?

>>2570595
>>2570549

The korone x calli is blessed tho

>>2570610
I can't believe Ollie is gonna help Astel score reaper pussy!

>>2570479
And exactly how would you want that to happen when the only 2 English speaking JPs are being singled out and Kiara's the only EN member who actually speaks fluent enough Japanese to properly communicate with them? Hell, they've even mentioned that they have to get actual permission to go onto the JP server at all and have indirectly confirmed that they aren't even allowed to save the server info for later use.

>>2569743
Suck a dick then

>>2570634
What? I'm pretty sure that after their first visit on the JP server they said that they were allowed to play there anytime they want. Has something changed?

>>2570245
The fact Haachama was allowed to play on the EN server at all is proof she wasn't banned.

>>2570158
Wait who is where? I gathered Ame was in the states but I thought the rest were in asia.

>>2570634
ollie and moonas japanese suck shit, their japanese skills are worse than mori's but they collab with jp members out of passion. id members try so hard to make a good collab with a jp member, and that impresses jp members and fans. im sure en members except for kiara are just fucking autistic or dont have such passion.

>>2570824
wtf man, even clip watchers don't think that

>>2570686
Gura and Kiara have both mentioned needing permission to go on the server, and Gura also mentioned that the server info was removed from her client.

>>2570874
Sorry anon I only started watching this week. I figured ame was in the states, kiara was a transplant in japan since german is rare, mori was an expat weeb in japan, gura was an off brand asian like vietnamese or something, and ina was korean.

>>2570977
kiara used to be in japan, she moved back to austria not too long ago. calli is still in japan, originally from the states. gura and ame have both been in america since forever. ina seems to be a canadian resident, if not citizen. any more info than this is doxxfaggotry.

>>2570758
She was literally kicked out of the server, do your reps retardchama

>>2567997
>This and at this point it’s confirmed management is stopping certain collabs as well.
ogey

>>2567387
Coco has stated either holo en doesn't want to collab, or their managers are blocking it. Kiara has stated that no-one on holo en is opposed to a coco collab, and many had given her shoutouts before.
The management is absolutely blocking collabs with coco, and them blocking collabs with Chama is a very fat rrat.

>>2570575
>>2570595
There was a whole thread about this.
TLDR she is a hikki who stayed inside all day or spoke english as JET, so despite living 3+ years in JP her proficiency compared to the norm is pretty garbage and her konbini-vocabulary is anything but flexible. She is not bad per se but below expectations

>>2570758
You know I have a rrat. I think Hacchama is the reason that you now need permission to go between EN and JP servers.

Remember Kiara said you do not need permission to go between servers early on then after Hacchama was kicked months later Kiara revealed you do need permission now. I think initially you were allowed to go but not build things but after seeing Hacchama planned to build a mega structure on EN they had to shut down free movements.

IDs do as they please don't bother me about them.

>>2570758
What kind of logic is that? So the fact that she wasn't banned before means she's somehow not banned now? Go watch her MC streams and pay attention to her server list, you'll notice a certain EN server magically disappears after a point and within the same time frame she's expressed explicit frustration with the management for an undisclosed reason. Also let's not forget the confirmation from Kiara that even Pekora needed permission from Enma to go on the server and was denied, and the whole bit where EN can't directly mention Coco by name that resulted in Kiara awkwardly talking around her name during a conversation alluding to her. Whether you want to admit it or not, intervention is happening between JP and EN, not a full on ban on collabs but it's clearly being restricted in some way not in control of the girls themselves since both sides have previously discussed collab desires or plans that flat out can't happen anymore.

>>2571396
I can understand Coco, but what's wrong with Haachama? She's always been very nice in her collabs with Ame.

>>2570313
Aside from Ina they're the whitest whores on the planet, Mori especially

>>2571434
There's no confirmation why, but the likely reasons are because she and Coco are the only English speaking JPs or because they're the most controversial. Possibly both, or maybe Enma's just petty and didn't like the 0th Gen EN jokes they both made and suddenly stopped referencing at the same time.

>>2571559
Another thing is that Gura gets the most sponsorships if you have noticed out of all the EN members. Especially rhythm games. Companies that wants to market globablly are very risk averse

>>2571291
Pekora wanted to go on the EN server to make some pranks, she mentioned it multiple times on stream while saying she hoped she would be allowed. Never happened. It's pretty fucking obvious that management refuses to let the JP branch in.

>>2571772
Anti-rrats can't even defend this either, Kiara directly confirmed that Pekora was flat out refused when she asked Enma. It's obviously not just a controversy thing with Haachama and Coco since Pekora's not controversial at all and is actually in fantastic standing right now with both the viewers and Youtube itself.

>>2571919
When Moona and Ollie asked management they literally told them that they could enter whenever they wanted, now obviously they are ID and they have different rules, but they still have to go through EN management, maybe they don't want the JPs to have direct access to the server because most can't speak or understand english and they are much more numerous than the ID and EN branch.
If every Holo could just enter the EN server it would just become JP server 2, which probably sounds great to us, but it's not what they want out of the EN server.

>>2567949
What is Ina doing behind the scenes? Making merch?

>>2568759
ENMA HATE

>>2570313
how new, all of them are so white (except Ina)

the EN girls get mogged in collabs with JP branch and is part of the reason they don't do them as much. gura in particular was basically borderline unpleasant to watch in that among us collab.

>>2571772
Plans for minecraft will probably start after the MonHun trend and the upcoming RE: Village trend is done. Pekora going to the EN server will revive the views for Minecraft streams since it's dying down little by little

>>2572998
Also the EN server is a realm, they can only hold up to 10 or 11 players (too lazy to check), letting the IDs is not a problem because you would need both the entire EN branch and the entire ID branch to reach the player limit, but if you open it up to the JP branch I imagine that as soon as they can enter most would want to visit the server at least once, now you have about 40 people trying to enter a server with a 10 person limit.

>>2572998
It's not about JPs having direct access, it's that Pekora asked Enma if she could visit and was told she can't. Also Haachama was literally allowed on the server whenever she wanted and now that's no longer the case.

>>2573331
the EN server is basically the ghetto, it's cute to see an EN give a tour to a JP senpai and they have to act impressed by farming setups and KFP branches

>>2573287
that stream was bizarre, I was watching it the whole time thinking "This is a bit right? This is a joke right??? She cant actually be seriously acting like this."

>>2570686
No it hasn't. Its just that neither side wants to appear rude by just intruding on the other server so they assume they're gonna have to 4d chess maneuver along the cultural courtesies when in reality either side would gladly welcome them.

>>2571919
EN management is just keeping the more popular holos away for whatever reason, that's why all the collabs with low-mid tier sub JPs like Mel and Roboco go through even though they're awkward to watch. ID gets to do whatever because 90% of their fanbase overlaps with EN anyway

>>2567997
Not "certain collabs" just CocoXEN.

>>2573401
My favourite of these moments is probably Moona acting impressed looking at the dirt pillars in front of Gura's house.

I think the reality with the minecraft servers is that JP is just not that interested in visiting EN. There's like nothing there worth seeing.

>>2573401
Pretty hard to do anything with four people and a full year and a half less time than the JP server has had.

I'm sure if they were handed everything and infinite farms on the JP server like the IDs were they'd achieve similar results.

>>2573393
If I remember correctly Pekora was told that she couldn't build traps alone on the server, not that she couldn't visit it.

Gura was never the same after Risu t-bagged her.

>>2567387
I don't have anything to say except I fucking hate that image OP and I'm going to assume that you're a falseflagging for posting it

>>2573615
not my problem. if they want EN server to matter then they need to figure it out or just not bother doing minecraft at all.

>>2572998
I do actually kinda want that.
Maybe not the EN server becoming "JP server 2" but have them all play on one server.

I feel like there could have been another Moona/Pekroa like moment with EN if they just all played on the same world.

>>2573615
I doubt that they would have made as much as Moona, her Minecraft autism is so powerful that literally anything she builds becomes one of the most aesthetically pleasing buildings in the server.

>>2573647
Kiara also said she couldn't visit JP without doing that "collab" with Moona so it was probably more than just the trap thing

>>2573686
how do you like this

>>2573615
Realistically no, most of the QoL in the JP server was done almost single-handedly by Pekora, and even with ample resources the only people who can actually build anything in EN are Ina and Ame and they're nowhere near the same level as the JP builders or Moona.

>>2573688
They need to sack whoever got them soft-banned from the JP server and Haachama soft-banned from the EN one.

>>2573751
Yeah. Moona is one of the more competent builders in hololive in general. Doesn't really change that accomplishing anything at all gets exponentially less shitty the more established your server is.

>>2573844
i don't think it's a softban issue so much as JP doesn't care to petition to have EN on the JP server and EN management seems to put a protective ring around their girls as usual. so both sides are really just spinning in circles they have created for themselves, neither influencing the other.

>>2573775
EN needs to go to fan servers on alt accounts off stream so they can see how to build shit. especially our's so they can see all the art

I think if they were seriously focused on keeping JP and EN apart, they wouldn't have listed knowing JP as a plus for the EN auditions.

>>2574009
there's no doubt that Enma is involved in gatekeeping EN girls but to what extent and to what end is not known.

>>2574009
Cover are hiring new EN managers in japanese only
EnMa was a fucking mistake and they know it

>>2574009
Plans and priorities can change, anon. Or someone in EN management is acting rogue and it'll catch up to them. This whole thing might get resolved with someone getting fired over it and we very well might not ever even find out it happened because of how obfuscated they keep EN management compared to JP. Enma is a role anyone can fill as needed because they don't actually have a presence.

>>2571559
Is it just me, or have there been fewer JPs doing English learning streams and fewer en JP learning streams?

EN management killed all of the momentum that EN had with their incompetence. The problem is that Cover sees Gura's 2.5 mil subs and probably thinks they're doing something right, so they don't interfere.

It's been 7 months and Coco still hasn't been able to collab once with EN.
Haachama was kicked off the EN Minecraft server, not allowed to be EN gen 0, and blocked from collabing with Gura.

Enough already.

>>2568902
My new favourite rrat.

>>2574359
i mean for stupid people just seeing big number is enough. when you read between the lines and see that she only averages 15k or less for a stream on 2.5 million is where numberfag narrative starts to crumble. those are all dead subs who literally don't watch.

>>2570431
And that would be a based chat

>>2574567
Yeah, it's dumb because everyone involved knows giving any EN girl's chat 5 minutes with the zhangs would have them getting deported permenantly in a winnie the pooh and tiananmen square carpet bomb but cover won't let them

>>2569740

>>2567471
Plenty do. Moona collabs with indie chuubas a lot but on their channels so go outside of Hololive to find new content.
>>2567554
Ina has collabed with Pochi-sensei several times alongside Reine. The played MonHun a few days ago.

>>2573944
>EN management seems to put a protective ring around their girls as usual.
So... a soft ban?

>>2571145
Nigger, do you not even watch clips? Coco says in so many words that management is keeping her from collabing with EN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEZ2oH1miZ4

>>2574359
I feel like they are just letting EN die. It is kinda sad.

>>2569885
>Gura got salty at that among us collab so now doing collabs is damn near impossible it seems.

That's a 50-50, it's the manchild chumbuds who raided Iofi's channel and twitter accounts that also fucked them over for the same reason.

Moona and Kiara's issue over collabing with Pekora in MC was also a problem heavily looked by management but thankfully that was solved almost quickly in comparison, however, they're still reluctant in letting Pekora into the EN server.

It's all a fucking mess.

>>2575139
You can even tell from Kiara's response that the talents aren't actually against it
It's fucking obvious their manager is cockblocking them

>>2574291
2nd wave auditions ended last month. They don't change that fast, especially since there have been other EN/JP collabs since then.

>>2573144
Without breaking the rules of this thread, she's a full-time artist whose done work for big time companies and games.

>>2575233
If they let EN build actual company connections at the peak of their hype they risked getting another Fubuki tier chuuba that can make them kneel if they do something stupid behind the scenes again. Once they put out gen 2 and see the momentum is gone by the numbers they'll hopefully lighten up

>>2575291
The clipper in the comments section tries to put the blame on the ENs saying they ghosted Coco or some shit back in January.
>>2575474
The only EN with a personality like that is Kiara. Mori is a pushover in regards to management yet she got the best relationship with staff like A-chan and apparently other managers at Cover.

>>2575595
This. It really seems like Mori's basically given up on releasing music under her pre-Hololive artist name. She seems content to be able to make her own music (with some lyrical limits) and publish it as Mori. Ina is kinda here just to chill as a 2nd job. Gura and Ame seem content to make money as streamers under Hololive. I can only see Kiara trying something.

>>2575595
Gura can get snappy when she feels like it, obviously she gets more collab restrictions than anyone so she'll never know about anything happening behind the camera on the JP side

>>2575301
Pay attention to the context of the discussion. JP and EN can and will collab, the problem is that it's being heavily restricted and controlled in how they're allowed to do it and with whom. Something happened very recently with how Enma handles JP interactions, this is an observable change with direct and indirect confirmation from the talent themselves.

>>2574459
Dead subs this and that.
There are those youtube's "feature" conspiracies, and also people have work and sleep schedule, so they catch the vod later.
Gura stream time is not friendly to nips in work day as well.
Pekora shit have prime jp time for nips and seaniggers afterwork. And her VOD views are like what?
Dumbshit

>>2575474
This is absolutely the plan, it's also why en isn't getting traditional gens. They're trying to end chuuba unity.

>>2575795
So what? Only debut on new chuuba at a time to prevent unity?

>>2570313
???

>>2575778
>Something happened very recently with how Enma handles JP interactions

what? what did i miss? citation,rep keyword,sauce?

>>2567554
pochi

>>2575859
new plan
>no gens but first month collab restriction still applies
>current ENs have to give them the coco treatment where they can't name them or hint at their existence
>no debut videos or announcement other than a reddit post made a week after launch
>not allowed to use any hololive tags on their videos until monetization kicks in
>not even allowed to collab with each other or vsingers

>>2575914
Fucking read the thread,

>>2576048
You might as well add if they don't stream x hours a week, they instantly owe Cover a ridiculous amount of money. Are we making a meme anime now?

>>2570158
Pretty sure Cali lives in Japan, and she said she went out to eat with Kiara before. So Kiara is probably in Japan too. This was on the trash taste podcast.

>>2576165
Anon... No shit Calli lives in Japan, that's who the person you're responding to meant by "the last one in fucking Asia" also Kiara moved back to Austria several months ago.

>>2576305
I responded like that because I though kiara still lived in japan. I thought travel was still banned.

>>2576124
read what? all of those rrat? there are no definitive evidence from all of those rrat its just speculation, give me source about this
>Something happened very recently with how Enma handles JP interactions
statement, as far as i see it's another wednesday for EN management nothing change

>>2568930

>>2576389
Hard to live in a country when you don't have a visa or citizenship. Also timelines, dear anon, the travel restrictions were lightened and then reinstated just recently.

>>2576406
Fuck you're retarded. There is literally definitive evidence listed repeatedly in the thread that comes from non-speculative sources, as in the Hololivers themselves confirming shit directly.

>>2575595
clipper must have misunderstood, Coco specifically said Enma never replied to her requests on discord, that's the only ghosting

>>2576794
Depends on the country. Somehow tons of people manage in amerikkka.

Every once in a while I come back to this shithole of a board, just to see how retarded the current rrats are. At this point, I truly shouldn't be surprised how people still believe in the collab ban. But considering that in the very recent past we've had Calli doing a collab with a Holostar and having multiple JPs call in, Ame collabing with Mel again, Ina collabing with an artist outside Hololive, and Kiara continuing her JP collabs, you'd think that these numbskulls would get the hint.

Also, regarding Haachama having EN server disappear from her list, it's not like she switched PCs since coming back from Australia or anything.

>>2573693
>I feel like there could have been another Moona/Pekroa like moment with EN if they just all played on the same world.

Lets hope they do that for the next the 1.17 update

>>2567692
ame looks like she has down syndrome or is mongolian

>>2577158
Japan is not one of those countries. They are among the strictest with vistas and residency/citizenship.

>>2574009
>I think if they were seriously focused on keeping JP and EN apart, they wouldn't have listed knowing JP as a plus for the EN auditions.

True
Also, if they are trying to keep JP and EN apart, then there's no need to to wait one year for a single gen, might as well have en2, en3, and VSing come out this year. Five people can only do so much especially with 4/5 are introverts and 2/5 are busy with side jobs.

>>2575795
I think it has more to do with EN not conforming to typical Idol gen rules. They were casted as preferably multitalented entertainers/artists/friends whose relatively strong bond does not rely on performing together, but rather complementing each other. This is why you only have one singer, rapper, video editor, visual artist and polyglot in the Gen. This is also why 3D isn't a priority. JP gens are casted mostly for singers to incorporate into larger idol-like projects.
>>2573693
rrat related: >>2553262

>>2569740
EN Manager since these losers won’t tell you

>>2570377
Your KFPrivlege is showing anon, Kiara is a social butterfly, she excels in 1on1 collabs but is a detriment in collabs with her fellow EN girls. Also she had the leg of speaking amazing Japanese so she can just chat away with no awkwardness with her JP senpais.

>>2567387
nobody likes holoen, biggest mistake since artia's early graduation

>>2569740
>>2578335
She's /vt/s popular scapegoat as they really believe one EN manager is responsible for lack of JP collabs with EN.

She is cute to bully I admit.

>>2578545
>She

>>2578420
Nice bait, Zhang.

>>2578664
>implying we know any of the genders of the EN mangers
Did we forget that one time with Mel's manger?

>>2578739
That's quite literally the reason no girl has male manager. English also has this thing called gendered pronouns. Let us know if you ever hear them referring to any of their managers as he/him anon.

>>2578182
Haven't several ens said they want to be idols?

>>2578994
Exactly, but just be sure, has Ina, Kiara or Mori drop any pronouns. on either Enma, Jenma or J-Chad?

>>2579340
They've all been referred to as girls yes. They also all have female character designs by Ina, Kiara and Mori respectively so yeah.

>>2579340
>Ina herself draws the first picture of Enma, as a woman
>this debate still happens in every Enma thread

Out of the holoEN girls I dislike ame, and gura the most. I think they might be my most dislike hololive girls. I don't know what it is about them, but they come off as super autistic. I'd have put ina in there too, but I respect her so much more because she also has a full time job doing something more real.

>>2567949
Also Gura wants Coco to be her first JP collab partner but since EnMa isn't letting the dragon anywhere near EN, it's basically a battle of wits at the moment to see who caves in first.

At least that was the rrat around here before

>>2579614
You can't just hate someone for being autistic, what do you think of Moona and Aqua then?

>>2581187
I have never watched them so I have zero opinion. But if they are autistic then I would not find them fun to watch at all.

>>2571476
Ame's a spic, Mori's an Amerimutt so she's disqualified, Gura's allegedly a hafu or quarter asian, I forget exact details, and Ina's Korean, which makes the ugly Austrain lolcow who tried for years to look like a Jap is the whitest holo, Mori's still the hottest though I don't give a fuck.

>>2573766
>Haachamarine
My cock.

>>2584369

>>2570313
Kiara is not white the only one I'm sure is white is mori and ame

I actually know the reason why management wants to keep JP hololive away from EN hololive, which has been alluded too by EN hololive already. It why they were getting upset over the whole “family friendly” thing recently for that reason as well. IT IS THE REASON FOR THE DIVISION. The point is that management believes JP members are less family friendly for sponsorships (whether true or not, that is what they think), and they think it will taint the EN group. So it actually comes down to money. They want hololive EN to be sponsorship friendly. And they are ESPECIALLY protective of Gura.

The weird thing is Gura isn’t really family friendly by nature (I mean let’s not kid ourselves), and probably has to walk on eggshells over it. I think they all might want a little more freedom to just be themselves. I just hope hololive EN pushes back a bit against management, and do whatever they want. Like stream with Coco.

In short: management thinks JP can hurt EN sponsorships simply by association with EN group.

>>2597845
Kiara exists, so your rrat is broken down at step one. Try again.

>>2598127
I think you’re confused. It’s not that management forbids Kiara from swearing, it’s simply that they would likely prefer she didn’t. When I said: “I just hope hololive EN pushes back a bit against management, and do whatever they want.”, that is Kiara a bit. For example: I’m saying Gura could likely do more (push back as I put it), and probably could get away it. I’m NOT saying they can’t get away with doing more.

For clarification: management thinks JP streamers like Haachama will have a negative effect on getting EN sponsorships by association with EN hololive streamers. If not for this, Haachama would be a good match because of her English. Basically they are keeping Gura in particular, away.

Yes it’s dumb. Yes I disagree with it. It just is what it is.

>>2597845
I am not sure about this because sponsorships for Hololive Jp is the biggest right now, Lawson, Sanrio, Square Enix with Korone, Xbox pass with Botan and Luna are the least. They are also reselling perfumes and so much merch deals. If anything, holoEn is in the pennies with sponsors compared to holojp, their only sponsor so far has only been with Gura recently and they are all games or some anime with Ina. If they really wanted to push the marketability of let's just say Gura or Ame then they should push interactions to create more Buzz. Simply playing with the safe bets like Sora, Marine and Shion will be good.

>>2597845
Why bother writing this garbage if you can't substantiate it whatsoever. At least the resident Enma schizos have arguments (garbage as they are). Your post is just pure speculation.

>>2577331
Whats the difference?

>>2597845
>>2567387
>Is it actually management wanting to limit fraternization?

If that's the case gen 2 has to come out earlier than later. They can save the 'one gen per year' bit after hiring a dozen or so new members.

>>2579028
Most likely just because all of them were idol fans before joining anyways. But EN isn't hiring just for idols, Subaru basically confirmed this: https://youtu.be/2g28bXyIWuc?t=114

>>2578182
The rrat brings up good points. In the far future when there's as many EN as there is JP, all of them playing on the same server could create problems. But still, in the last 7 months I think they would have all been better off playing together, and just creating a EN server after a gen 3.

>>2567523
>language barrier

>>2600023
I’m partly making a distinction between what JP companies and culture find acceptable, and what US companies and culture find acceptable. Combine that with all the political correctness lately in the US and Europe, and the YouTube censorship crackdown, and the push for “family friendly” isn’t that surprising anymore.
>their only sponsor so far has only been with Gura recently and they are all games or some anime with Ina
That’s kind of the point I’m making. They want hololive EN to be sponsorship friendly, because they already have sufficient numbers.
>>2600354
>Why bother writing this garbage if you can't substantiate
I guess I better make management say something about it to you personally for it to be true.

>>2573420
What do you mean? What was Gura acting like in the amongus collab?

>>2597845
>I actually know the reason why management wants to keep JP hololive away from EN hololive
>I actually know the reason why
I already hate this rrat

>>2601097
Might help a bit if you read the rest of the post and tried to dispute it. Which I would welcome. Otherwise, it’s simply ad hominem.

>>2600925
Do you really think that Sanrio of all companies would not want a family friendly character to work with??? I don't know where your head is at but look at it with more introspection.

JP Twitter is also very sensitive and tends to go on rampages for something that foreigners would think is plain stupid to be upset about eg. MikoMarine doujin prank.

There is no way in hell they are doing this right. If this is how they think they can milk the holoen then i guess where are in for a boring ass ride. They might as well put her in ytkids.

Korone blew herself up

>>2601325
Then she should be able to collab with Calli more

>>2575709
>It really seems like Mori's basically given up on releasing music under her pre-Hololive artist name
No shit. Her least popular song now has more views than her most popular song before.

>>2601308
>JP Twitter is also very sensitive and tends to go on rampages for something that foreigners would think is plain stupid to be upset about.
That is my point though. That JP and EN become upset over different reasons. That what may work in JP doesn’t work in the US, and vice versa. From a purely management perspective, it would be taken into consideration.
>If this is how they think they can milk the holoen then i guess where are in for a boring ass ride.
That’s what I’m worried about. Because it could also effect EN Gen2 as well. I honestly prefer the edgy stuff, so I’m not saying all this because of a personal preference.

>>2579028
Honestly, I must have missed any of them saying so if they did. But more importantly, do you see any of them moving that direction? Ina is occupied with drawing and has occasional karaoke streams, and it looks like it will stay that way.
Gura used to (still does?) talk a lot about wanting to make her own song but wanting is all she seems to do in that department. She did a cover with Matsuri but it barely feels as if it meant anything to her. Any other collaborative songs I am missing? She's mostly doing her own thing and you can't do that as an idol.
Ame is very much about games and deranged zandatsu. I can't even imagine her wanting to be anything like an idol because she sure is nothing like it.
That leaves Kiara and Calli, who did sufficient 日本語 to do songs with japanese in them and to collaborate with JP/Stars.
And don't get me wrong, I love them all and your oshi loves you , and I frankly can't really say what makes one an idol, but all of EN are creative people in their own right with a different culture that excludes them from being anything more than enthusiastic about idol culture.

>>2600925
>I guess I better make management say something about it to you personally for it to be true.
Or you could look at how the girls behave on stream and draw the conclusion that they're not family friendly. And you could look at their recent collabs to see that they're not even being restricted from collabing. As far as I can tell, your argument goes something like this:

>1. Premise: HoloEN is restricted from collabing
>2. Hypothesis: HoloJP is not family friendly enough for sponsors in the West when compared to HoloEN.
>3. Conclusion: HoloEN is restricted from collabing because JPs are not family friendly.

This line of reasoning is completely and utterly retarded for multiple reasons. Let's go through it point by point:

1. HoloEN is not restricted from collabing. HoloEN has had, and continues to have collabs with the JP and ID branches. Calli had multiple call in during her birthday, Ame had an another collab with Mel, and Kiara is having a Holotalk this weekend. Ina has had multiple collabs outside Hololive with a mangaka famous for drawing oneeshota. So your premise is completely faulty.

2. None of the HoloEN crew, with the exception of Ina, have particularly family friendly streams. Some of them have explicitly said that they don't care about being family friendly. A good number of the JPs are also much more family friendly than most of the ENs are, even for western sensibilities. The auditions for the next gen also list Japanese as a plus, which is something that the girls only really need if they want to collab with Japanese senpais (see Gura/Ame). In addition, Cover's branding in the West features the JP branch front and center, so there is no real indication that Cover is trying to separate their EN and JP branches in branding. In fact, the EN branch is not even featured on the front page of the English version of their website.

3. Your premise is faulty, and the reasoning you've speculated on top of your faulty premise has no evidence supporting it, but plenty of evidence against it. So unless you come up with something substantiating both your premise and your hypothesis, this conclusion is pretty easy to dismiss.

I love Ame-chan and her imouto-senpai Haachama!

>>2603914
Nta bout kiara vented on her stream yesterday about how EN management was blocking her from doing collabs, treating the branch with "kid gloves", and was doing things differently from the other branches
It was in regards to collabing with a vtuber outside the company but it's clear that Enma is the one putting all the roadblocks. They may not be completely restricted from collabing with JP / ID but there is a lot more red tape for the ENs to fight against in order to make things happen

>>2567692
I think Ame looks cute with those sharp eyes. Haachama is giving me weird vibes though.

>>2567471
Towa's apex team is made of only people from outside of hololive and they play weekly

>>2584333
>Ame's a spic
Her roommate is a deadringer for Ramona Flowers which means she's like a 6.5/10 at best. I think Kiara is cute but she's got some serious Angloid teeth. Mori is the most attractive.

>>2584333
Gura is israeli

>>2607971
It was a rant specifically about Veibae and how she can’t collab with her anymore now that she’s no longer indie.
She strongly hinted that it’s because of Vshojo specifically.
We know that Melody is pretty much blacklisted, but this more or less confirms the whole group is as a result.

>>2603914
>Or you could look at how the girls behave on stream and draw the conclusion that they're not family friendly
I think you’re confused. I clearly said it was somewhat in the direction of family friendly to the point of being considered safe (not that is is for kids entirely, and obviously Kiara is a bit of a pushback) in order to appease YouTube, sponsorships, etc. For example: that they noticeable behave differently (more safe) than the JP they admire. Like maybe they simply need Kiara to stop swearing or something for it to be mostly fine.
>This line of reasoning is completely and utterly retarded
Then stop debating yourself by speaking for me?
>HoloEN is not restricted from collabing
You are making this too easy for me. At this point I only need name Coco. Also it’s not to say no one can ever Colab, but rather that it’s being controlled by management.
>Some of them have explicitly said that they don't care about being family friendly.
Gura said she doesn’t see what’s so important about being family friendly. But who told her it was important? Particularly meaningful after the whole Coco thing about colabs recently. Also Kiara wondering if she really needs to stop swearing, and pretty much everything happening recently.

>>2607971
I think restricting non-Hololive vtubers makes sense for EN from a business perspective at the moment. Hololive was ahead of the curve in many ways with the western market, so for many, Hololive are synonymous with Vtubers. Since Cover is in such a dominant position, I don't think they have anything but to lose from showcasing their competitors.

>>2607971
>Nta bout kiara vented on her stream yesterday about how EN management was blocking her from doing collabs, treating the branch with "kid gloves", and was doing things differently from the other branches
Interesting. Did she specifically say “kid gloves”?
>They may not be completely restricted from collabing with JP / ID but there is a lot more red tape for the ENs to fight against in order to make things happen
Exactly.

>>2609670
Kiara only questioned the swearing part because she’s been receiving a lot of criticism over it.
Also she’s been thinking that it’s been hurting her growth. Has nothing to do with being family friendly.

>>2567471
Not even new, you literally don't watch streams

>>2609847
>Kiara only questioned the swearing part because she’s been receiving a lot of criticism over it.
I’m suggesting to you that when her fans are totally amazed by how she finds these criticisms of swearing and such, that it isn’t the majority of her fans behind it. Meaning that a good portion of her subscribers that don’t want her to change (because they like her) VASTLY outweigh the one or two complaints that seem almost nonexistent. Basically she is looking at some of the other EN streamers and wondering if she should fall in line. But why is there a line to begin with? Who is telling her to be more family friendly?

>>2609670
>For example: that they noticeable behave differently (more safe) than the JP they admire.
There's plenty of JPs who are more family friendly than them so not really. And like you very well know, this doesn't really seem to cause any problems with Ina and Ame collabing with Mel, who in fact, is not family friendly.

>Then stop debating yourself by speaking for me?
What part of my assesment of your argument do you disagree with? You said, and I quote:
>management wants to keep JP hololive away from EN hololive
>management believes JP members are less family friendly for sponsorships
>management thinks JP can hurt EN sponsorships simply by association with EN group
Please do tell me which part of your argument I misrepresented.

>Coco
Coco is being restricted, but we all know why, and it has nothing to do with being family friendly.

>Gura said she doesn’t see what’s so important about being family friendly. But who told her it was important?
No one? Who do you get the impression that management told her, when there's no indication to that direction whatsoever, and none of the other ENs seem to care? With Kiara swearing her eyes out on Calli's stream just recently for example.

I'll reiterate. You've not at any point demonstrated any of these things:
>EN collabs with JP are restricted.
>Management cares about family friendliness
>Management doesn't want EN and JP to collab due to concerns of family friendliness.
If collabs were restricted, there would not be a EN collab with a JP every other week. If family friendliness was a factor, Ina would not have been able to collab with someone who's drawn /ss/ porn and Mel would not collab with EN.

>>2609670
>>2603914
lmao you can see crunchyroll censoring them live on streams. They'll joke about "getting bonked" but crunchyroll staff are literally sitting there telling them how to behave on stream

>>2610057
This is pointless speculation when you can just go look at the reactions to the stream on relevant platforms. Kiara was criticized heavily after the Uno stream for swearing too much. Frankly, for good reason, because she came off as unintentionally rude. When she's streaming solo, the swearing is completely fine and no one really cares. But during a collab with 60k viewers, a lot of them people who don't watch Kiara regularly? Yeah, she's going to get some criticism.

>>2574336
It's just you. Festival had one a few days ago, Luna had one last night.

>>2607971
This will only be solved by a timestamp link.

>>2567387
Haachama looks a lot like Uto-tenshi in that pic

>>2610070
>There's plenty of JPs who are more family friendly than them so not really
I didn’t say all the JP behave the same. I’m saying there is a difference for a reason. Also getting stuck on the family friendly vs not, is more like... safe for YouTube and sponsorships vs not. Meaning there is no perfect line. It’s a general direction.
>Please do tell me which part of your argument I misrepresented.
It’s not my argument. It is you writing down what you believe instead of quoting me directly. Or even asking me what I think. Or for clarification.
>Coco is being restricted
It was only brought up because you said none were being restricted. Here I’ve been using your quotes directly, instead of speaking for you. I’m trying to accurately represent your view.
>No one?
So Gura is arguing against herself?
>If family friendliness was a factor, Ina would not have been able to collab with...
I’m not saying none can ever colab, but rather that Gura is in particular protected, and that for the most part management is worried about YouTube censorship, getting sponsorships, and properly working within an “acceptable” system to protect their streamers. What I’m saying here doesn’t mean you cannot find one example of Ina doing a certain colab, but that it is an example that stands out a bit, is the point in itself. That it’s not common enough. Also it’s hard to know what is deemed perfectly acceptable or not, as no clear line is going to be drawn out for the streamers. It’s just a general direction that seems safer by management, to protect EN streamers.

Also, even though I believe this is the case, I’m saying it’s not needed, and that I wish it wasn’t true.

>>2610183
If Kiara stops swearing completely, like she wanted to try at one point, is that for her fans? Is that what THEY want? Or would the majority want her to be herself? I’m pretty sure she cannot make everyone happy, anyway. My point is that any streamer can find some criticism, but that criticism will likely be what some of her other fans like about her.

>>2610777
The correct answer is 'stop swearing *during collabs*'. She doesn't need to stop in general, but it makes her stand out in a bad way if she's in a group of 4 others that only ever cuss sparingly for effect.

>>2610913
>The correct answer is 'stop swearing *during collabs*'. She doesn't need to stop in general.
Then why did she want to try stopping completely? Also there is no correct answer, as you cannot simply go by what you want her to do, or not. If it came to a vote, most would want her to be herself. The issue here, is a push away from what she truly wants. And in general, that is my point. I don’t feel like they are all truly letting loose. And I partly blame management too.

>>2610619
>I didn’t say all the JP behave the same. I’m saying there is a difference for a reason. Also getting stuck on the family friendly vs not, is more like... safe for YouTube and sponsorships vs not. Meaning there is no perfect line. It’s a general direction.
There is no argument here, just purposeful vaguespeak that obfuscates that you have no supporting evidence for anything you're saying. Please address why it's ok for non-family friendly streamers such as Mel (who has been demonetized multiple times) and Pochi to collab with HoloEN when you said, and I quote:
>management thinks JP can hurt EN sponsorships simply by association with EN group

>It’s not my argument
Seems fairly identical to what you wrote, just rearranged for formatting. Anyways, this is not relevant.

>Coco
Again, Coco is not relevant to the argument you're making, so stop bringing her up as if you're making a point.

>So Gura is arguing against herself?
She's not arguing against anyone. How do you get that impression? Most she's done is make fun of explicitly not being family friendly.

>I’m not saying none can ever colab, but rather that Gura is in particular protected, and that for the most part management is worried about YouTube censorship, getting sponsorships, and properly working within an “acceptable” system to protect their streamers. What I’m saying here doesn’t mean you cannot find one example of Ina doing a certain colab, but that it is an example that stands out a bit, is the point in itself. That it’s not common enough. Also it’s hard to know what is deemed perfectly acceptable or not, as no clear line is going to be drawn out for the streamers. It’s just a general direction that seems safer by management, to protect EN streamers.
Again, another paragraph with not a single coherent line of thought, just vague speculation in multiple directions without ever reaching anything that would resemble an actual argument. I'll once again point to Ina's collabs with an artist drawing porn of 10 year old kids. If your argument had any merit, do you not think that that would be the first collab to get the axe from Cover management?

Holy autism

>>2611012
>purposeful vaguespeak that obfuscates
When someone is banned on YouTube, it is not vaguespeak. What I said is perfectly clear. The threat of censorship is something that management considers whether or not you consider it vaguespeak.
>Coco is not relevant to the argument
I pointed her out simply as a correction to your mistake. As to her relevance to the topic of family friendly vs not? I would say she is not, hence she would be relevant to bring up in that regard.
>She's not arguing against anyone
When Gura said: “what is so important about being family friendly?”, it suggests that she believes at least someone thinks it’s important, and she is pushing back against that point.

>>2611228
>When someone is banned on YouTube
Oh yeah, like Mel has been? The girl who has faced the most action from YouTube against herself out of anyone in Hololive is coincidentally the one with the most collabs with EN girls other than Haachama. How do you reason with that?
>Coco
Again, she's not relevant because she distracts from the actual argument. We all know the reason she's restricted.
>"what is so important about being family friendly"
Again, this doesn't really suggest her arguing with anyone.

Still waiting on an answer for why Ina's collabs with Pochi are okay by the way. Cartoon porn featuring children is about as controversial as it gets yet somehow Pochi is not included in these restrictions of yours?

>>2610367
It was from a members only stream, and it was specifically in reference to Velbae and Vshojo.

Here's that part specifically: https://streamable.com/a3icxw

>>2609771
Yeah someone in chat said that ENs were treated with kids gloves, to which Kiara responded by saying that it was an accurate way to put it.
It's in the latter half of this clip:
https://streamable.com/a3icxw
She talks about collabs with vshojo, nijisanji, and differences in management between EN and JP.

>>2576132
No, it's kafkaesque.

>>2574336
That shit can only be entertaining for so long.

>>2567387
Calli is to busy to collab often.

Gura is socially autistic and barely even collabs IN GEN without Ame, doesnt have fantastic japanese, more then likely feels guilty about having the largest sub count in Hololive.

Ina is also busy outside of Hololive but actually has pretty good Japanese. She does actually collab tho including the most recent one of her, Reine, Pochi, and Anya.

Kiara collabs all the time outside of EN. She seems to effictively speak 3 languages fluently.

Ame somehow manages to do numerous out of EN collabs even with people who she cant communicate with. I love the girl's content but holy fuck the Mel collabs are hard to watch.

>>2575233
>Vshojo will take over the EN market

>>2611427
Well there we go then. I'm not a fan of Kiara in general, but as a rrat enthusiast I cannot help but approve of the juicy lore she regularly leaks.

>>2611410
>How do you reason with that?
That it’s not what management wants for EN. Especially for Gura in particular. You keep thinking that it means there can be no exception (especially for EN streamers lower than Gura), and dig up and repeat one as if it’s meaningful to an overall point or direction of action by management, when it’s rarity that proves my point. That it’s not the overall direction that management has taken, and that people in this thread realize that management is being rather ridiculous, and likely to blame for it.
>coco distracts from the actual argument
Then don’t get hung up on the correction to your earlier point about zero restrictions?
>We all know the reason she's restricted
I’m suggesting multiple reasons, while your brain only functions on one thing at a time, as you speak in absolutes avoiding all nuances.

>>2611419
Not really anything to gain for Hololive from allowing collabs with Vshojo, and lots to lose. Cover is not going to give up their current position by promoting other Vtubers targeted to the west.

>>2611427
>Yeah someone in chat said that ENs were treated with kids gloves, to which Kiara responded by saying that it was an accurate way to put it
Wow, interesting.

>>2611719
One more comment where you don't directly address Mel and Pochi. How about it, want to try again? I do understand though that the cognitive dissonance would hit probably hit pretty hard there since your argument falls apart there.

Not really sure where you get the impression that inter-branch collabs are rare. If you're talking about just Gura, then sure, let's talk about just Gura. Just don't pretend that argument extends to anyone else in the branch.

>>2611648
they wont, either HoloEN gen 2 or 3 will have japanese management, maybe even japanese talent who just speak fluent english. EN gen 1 will simply be forgotten and complain about having high sub numbers but low viewer numbers

>>2611834
>One more comment where you don't directly address Mel
I’m actually not sure if you’re trolling me or not at this point, because I did mention the difference between exceptions and general direction of management, and that the exceptions being what they are, helps prove my point. That people can see that in general, something is wrong with management.

Someone even posted:” someone in chat said that ENs were treated with kids gloves, to which Kiara responded by saying that it was an accurate way to put it”

It’s obvious there are issues there.

>>2612008
I'm going to make this really easy for you. I'll give you two prompts and let you finish them. Please write your thoughts after the ellipsis.
>Despite management wanting EN to avoid troubles with YouTube they would get from collabing with JP, HoloEN collabing with Mel is okay because...
>Despite management wanting to avoid offending western sensibilities and loss of sponsorship opportunities, Ina collabing with Pochi is okay because...

Bonus:
>Management is blocking collabs with JP senpais as I claimed, but allowed these two to collab with EN because...

>>2612150
I think you’re confused. You don’t actually get to speak for me, you’re only able to address the points I actually made. And if you’re uncertain of them, you’re supposed to ask for clarification. Attempting to narrow things down into your OWN wording to argue against, is a sign of a losing position, and desire to avoid multiple reasons in an attempt to weaken a position. The whole reason I don’t speak for you or attempt to straw man your position, is because it’s a dishonest thing to do, and because I’m already on firm ground.

>>2612464
Sure, have fun. If you change your mind, please do feel free to finish the prompts, or address the flaws in your argument that the prompts point out if you change your mind.

>>2612565
>address the flaws in your argument
It’s not my argument. I only mentioned the exception to the rule as being just that, an exception, especially ones that avoid Gura. Being such helps prove my point, not yours, because it goes against the general direction that management seems to be taking, to which people realize that something is wrong with management in this thread. It seems you even avoided the comment about what Kiara said directly, but it is no surprise to me, given you do that me as well.

>>2611638
Fucking this. Collabs aren't an issue. Its that there's only five EN. If one of them misses or reschedules a stream its a big fuss. When someone doesn't collab for over a week its extremely noticeable. Dead hours are also a pain.

>>2607971
>kiara vented on her stream yesterday about how EN management was blocking her from doing collabs, treating the branch with "kid gloves", and was doing things differently from the other branches.
Doing things differently... is a relevant point.

>>2611427
>https://streamable.com/a3icxw
3/4th of the way in that video, Kiara said that EN is treated differently than JP by management, and that it had to do with different things being acceptable based on the expected viewership, because of the different cultures. Like what is acceptable to JP may not be acceptable to EN. I honestly didn’t know she said that when I began posting in this thread, and it’s very similar to what I said already in this thread beforehand. Which strengths my position on it I suppose.

I’m even more convinced of it now.

>>2603101
>and has occasional karaoke streams

One. She's had ONE

>>2603101
>Gura used to (still does?) talk a lot about wanting to make her own song but wanting is all she seems to do in that department.
We all know she’s capable of it, so there must be a reason it never happens. It’s odd too, because many expected Gura to have continual uploaded videos (not live streams) that could easily reach many millions to grow her channel. Imagine a Gura rap or song uploaded to the channel. Would be crazy popular.

>>2575595
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XrbXkcpVFs
Kiara flat out denied that and crop dusted the idea that it's management. I don't necessarily trust everything she says, but I got the impression she was telling as much of the truth as she could without getting suspended.

>>2623337
By default said it’s managements fault, simply by saying it’s not any of the girls fault. I guess it’s safer than calling may out directly. It’s indirect, but clear.

>>2622747
She's just lazy, like usual

>>2611920
>either HoloEN gen 2 or 3 will have japanese management, maybe even japanese talent who just speak fluent english.
that would be amazing if they did that for just one of the english gens

>>2613056
Of course rules don't have to apply 100% of the time to still be substantial enough for an argument. That said,
> the exception to the rule as being just that, an exception, especially ones that avoid Gura. Being such helps prove my point,
The absence of those exceptions would make an even stronger case for your point. You tried to say "obviously they can't do any collabs, they just can't do them often enough". But that doesn't mean something is generally wrong. You don't need to presume a golden cage for HoloEN to explain why Coco cannot collab with them, but Pochi and Mel can. You can just as well presume that collabs between Hololive branches are actually totally fine (as evidenced by numerous "exceptions" to your rule) and Coco is the exception because everyone she interacts with is essentially a racist by association.
The statement of Kiara referenced in your quote pertains to Vshojo / inter-company collabs, not the situation with JP, so that doesn't matter to what you two have been talking about. What you were suggesting comes off as "something we don't know is preventing people we cannot really specify from interacting to a degree we can't name, we just know it is there and it probably has to do with management because in some other situation people like Kiara said that HoloEN is treated differently from HoloJP".
Paraphrasing and asking you to specify your rule is the only way for another anon to ask you if how they understand your words conforms to how you mean them. He wanted you to clarify what the rule is and you were just being purposefully, unproductively vague in most of what I had been reading of your responses. If anything, I am even more convinced that the other anon is right even though you both have pretty much wanked past each other over what is effectively hot air.

So let's deal with those prompts.
>>2612150
Despite management wanting EN to avoid troubles with YouTube they would get from collabing with JP, HoloEN collabing with Mel is okay because Mel is uncontroversial and the fact that YT gave a hard time isn't based... on Mel acting out in a way that Cover sees as justification for making her the banpire.
Despite management wanting to avoid offending western sensibilities and loss of sponsorship opportunities, Ina collabing with Pochi is okay because (1) HoloEN doesn't need a much cleaner slate to be eligible for sponsorships than HoloJP (f.e. Miko) does, and/or (2) Pochi doesn't have the notability as a shotacon to create a high risk of western sponsors or concernfags shunning them as pedophiles by association. In my opinion, legal situation aside, shotacon isn't that controversial socially, you just need to make sure it's not the first or second thing other people think about when they hear your name. Sponsors will care about it … as soon as someone bugs them about it, not sooner.
And as for why Kiara cannot, f.e., collab with Vei, that's simply because of competing corporate interest in a market that is not yet saturated yet. It may also be due to a different culture along the lines of "VShojo is much more about lewdtubers / ecchi stuff than HoloEN tries to be", but I don't think Cover has a problem with that beyond wanting to reach a more general demographic than Melody ends up pulling from CB, or Nyanners from here. It absolutely must be about competing interest because Cover would have all but murdered for the opportunity to collab with Kizuna AI otherwise.

I think this would have gone much better if you asked for positive examples of who cannot collab, but I also think you wasted your time talking to that anon in particular.

>>2611638
The collab with Mel and Ollie with Ame was good. She needs someone as a translator. Maybe Reine can tag along next time with another JP senpai.

Mori is very involved with her alt account as well. She's mostly tired in her streams. She tries harder for sponsorships i guess. Meh. Collabs is better when she's not exhausted. You know the collab would be good if it starts in the afternoon because that means she has had sleep.

Kiara gets frustrated because she can't collab with vshojo. That's it. En can't collab with Coco. This has been implied both by Coco and Kiara. Maybe they had to publicize this themselves so that enough viewers would demand for a lift. I dunno. But Kiara has holotalk that is made for collabs.

Ina is passive. She accepts/responds but never really invites people in. Suisei thought of collabing with her but hesitated when she realized that she has to send it through management or something. This is the problem with collabs in general in Hololive. They wait around a lot. That's why you have never seen a WatamexKorone even though Watame loves Korone. Bakatare group works because they have fubuki. I honestly think management should do more in trying to make them do more stuff together. Their bonjour on nico nico is a good one. I hope they start doing more on the official channel on YT.

Gura. Her Japanese is shit balls and she's very insecure about not knowing what to say on collabs much more in a foreign language. Her only potentials are HoloID or Haachama if we exclude Coco. Haachama is going through a phase right now. HoloID... I have no excuse for her. She's obviously just wants to do shit on her own. She's pretty much like Pekora. Pekora barely collabs. Her recent one with Botan was a rare one. Actually, Botan was also her only 1x1 collab partner which was 3months ago. So yeah. Since there is monhun, maybe, finally Pekora will agree to a collab.

>>2611920
>maybe even japanese talent who just speak fluent english.
I'm surprised this didn't happen already. Just look at EN talents the other japanese agencies have. It's like Cover went out of their way to not hire them.

>Calli
Busy AF with thigh schedule, if you notice she streams when she gets home she is usually tired

>Ame
No japanese, and she is the one that gets super shy and quiet, and she wants to avoid that.

>Ina
She actually does collab with JP if she feels like it

>Gura
Again she doen't know japanese, if you notice she is really shy in groups and she bearly talks.

>Kiara
who cares

>>2625110
>The statement of Kiara referenced in your quote pertains to Vshojo / inter-company collabs, not the situation with JP
Watch it further through: https://streamable.com/a3icxw
3/4th of the way in that^ video, Kiara additionally added that EN is treated differently than JP by management, and that it had to do with different things being acceptable because of the “different cultures”. Like what is acceptable to JP may not be acceptable to EN. Which is exactly my point in this thread.

>>2626753
Second gen cant come soon enough

>>2567949
Why does Ina even have an inflexible schedule?
She's an artist. She can draw whenever she has spare time.

>>2629099
From what I can tell... And this is just my assumptions... She probably works on a sched when creating her art. More like a momentum. If she stops, she would never get it done on time. It takes her forever to get back at things once she leaves them aside so most artwork she does on stream, she immediately work on after offline. She only really gets motivated to work on a certain art if she schedules it or chat keeps bugging her. One notorious is the Kiara swimsuit. The last one was NoelxFlare.

>>2627491
This is BS. If Coco was not allowed to collab with Vshojo or that blue haired girl even way back when do you really think Kiara will be allowed??? Coco was doing pubic hair removals collab with Tamaki and she was still denied. There are certain groups that are just no-go with Cover overall. Kiara is oblivious to this since she is quite self-centered and doesn't know shit outside of Pekora and Marine.

Mori is the same way. She only wants to collab with outside people. If you let her be, she will probably be the groupie that she is and always have her favorite bands and suck their cocks live. The last time she was asked who she wants to collab with, she was just so dismissive and assumed that the JP girls hates her for some reason. She's a "classy" act.

If HoloEn management was so conscious about what is safe or whatever then they would have blanket restrictions for the whole group. All of this arguments you have are stupid because we know that only 1 girl which is Gura who doesn't do collabs. She's retarded. There's no other way of explaining it. She knows it. Just watch her 6 month special where she was roasting herself. She's self aware with how awkward she is and how she deliberately made herself look stupid.

>>2578739
Watch the stream where Ina draws Enma again, count how many times she Freudian slips male pronouns. She eventually gives up correcting herself.

>>2629727
>If Coco was not allowed to collab with Vshojo or that blue haired girl even way back when do you really think Kiara will be allowed???
That link was posted mainly for the last 1/3rd of the video pertaining to the differences between management in regard to JP and EN culture, which is a separate issue. She specifically says that EN management makes adjustments based on what is deemed acceptable to different cultures. Basically EN censorship.
>If HoloEn management was so conscious about what is safe or whatever then they would have blanket restrictions for the whole group
You meant treat Gura the same as Ina? I assume there will be at least some difference because they have more to risk with Gura.
>All of this arguments you have are stupid
Kiara herself said essentially the same thing as I did, and I honestly wasn’t expecting it.

>>2570313
Ina is literally the only one who isn't...

>>2630256
The ones I know are white: Calli, Gura, and Amelia. Kiara is mixed. Ina isn’t white.

>>2630252
Your arguments assumes that Gura is special. Ina gets more projects than Gura. She did merch for Gen5 and is doing for HoloEn. Gets enough sponsorships. Even did one along with her. She's even doing a talk for a pixiv conference. She gets more love with every artwork (50-100k likes on twitter) she does and does the collabs that she wants.... And yet you think this is just a culture thing for sponsors?? Kiara is frustrated because she can't collab with the obvious yabs and then the Coco thing. Just because Kiara said so doesn't mean it reflects the whole truth for everyone. It only means she tends to requests for permissions that are just too dumb to allow.

>>2630477
A perfect example for this is how Pekora got denied a project that she wanted to and she broke down. She probably assumed that since she's making bank and it was something that a holomember have already done that she would get greenlit. But nope. She broke down. She felt bitter for a few days.

I dunno what the project was.

But yeah. There are certain things that management won't allow no matter who you are. Kiara's word isn't the Bible. She can't make blanket statements for her group.

>>2630477
>you think this is just a culture thing for sponsors??
Not exactly. The culture thing Kiara was talking about was not about sponsorships specifically, but rather about censorship by EN management because of cultural differences. Sponsorships come into the matter in the same way that censorship and “family friendly” content does, insomuch as it becomes sponsorship friendly by default. So for many reasons.
>Just because Kiara said so doesn't mean it reflects the whole truth for everyone
I didn’t go by her at all when I argued my point initially. Then someone found that clip where she essentially said some similar things as I did. If anyone knows, it would be her, because she is talking directly to EN management.

>>2567387
Way I understand it all cross branch collabs need to go through management and cover management is notoriously slow and inept, so most holos don't bother with them because of the red tape they have to go through to get to it and even if they do it takes a long time for everything to get sorted out.

>>2631058
Its a momentum killer

>>2567387
both sides are too lazy to learn each other languaje.

>>2603101
>I love them all
I may be a huge faggot, but it warms my heart to see that sentiment in this shithole

>>2584786
cute

>>2567387
based managers keeping redditors away

Guys there is not only one answer, it's parts of these all combined.

1. They socially autistic. At least they come off that way on stream

2. 2 out of the 5 don't know a lick of Japanese

3.Managment being dumb/ plus cultural shit.

4. They don't want to/give enough of a shit about. Which kind of ties in with number one if you want it to.

>>2627491
>what is acceptable to JP may not be acceptable to EN
The key distinction here is that they are treated differently or even wrongly/unfairly. As Kiara says, it is okay to adjust it to the different audiences. It does not mean EN is held to higher standards or that there is a golden cage in terms of family friendliness / conformity with YT rule, as you previously suggested.
Here's what you are forgetting: HoloEN started from a much, much more competitive position than most other branches and doesn't have a big international multitalent competitor such as Nijisanji (and Kizuna AI is not an English chuuba). They have at least 20 possible collabing partners inside Hololive alone and there is no common history with any other corporate or indie chuuba they need to honour (while some JP talents are ex-Niji or indies). This isn't censorship. Censorship would be if Kiara or Mori weren't allowed to talk about the collabs they were being denied.

>>2638095
Messed up the first phrase. The key distinction here is that different treatment doesn't mean the same as wrongful/unfair treatment.

>>2626454
Gura did stream with Anya

>>2638095
>It does not mean EN is held to higher standards or that there is a golden cage in terms of family friendliness / conformity with YT rule, as you previously suggested.
The question was why EN is treated differently or with “kid gloves” as Kiara put it before, when compared to JP. Adjustments made by EN management to respect cultural differences as to what is or isn’t deemed appropriate, will obviously be a form of censorship.

At the 30 sec mark of this link below, Calli said she choose to reduce the amount of swearing she does, because of the “kids” watching. She used a humorous example, but nonetheless, it was an adjustment to be more family friendly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOibrqfRbAY

>>2641256
>Why kid gloves with EN
Because the West is just as retarded as China with its endless nontroversies over petty bullshit.
Rapelay and the UN condemning loli/shota come to mind.

>>2626454
>Ina is passive. She accepts/responds but never really invites people in
Ina has the awkward problem of having another full time job. Expecting her to both invite her senpais to do something while also dictating when is too far out of her comfort zone. It doesnt help that shes already a real fangirl of hololive and thus even less likely to want to put them in that position.

>>2641835
Oh, and about this^ adjustment Calli made to be more family friendly, Calli strikes me as someone who does whatever is needed to get along better with EN management. The opposite of Kiara in that regard.

>>2641256
>The question was why EN is treated differently or with “kid gloves” as Kiara put it before, when compared to JP.
And I answered that in the second part. More to lose from their starting point than what most JP gens had going on for them, and burden of success. Maybe it's just Cover having learned from the past and being more upfront about what EN can't do so EN stays free of suspensions and graduations?
>Adjustments made by EN management to respect cultural differences as to what is or isn’t deemed appropriate, will obviously be a form of censorship.
JP doesn't get away with the same things as EN either. So by that logic, both branches are unfairly censored in their own unique way when compared to the other. Examples for JP ""censorship"" were given to you already. I'll add Calli's public gushing over Moist "Our ejaculation fuels their automation" "larger dildos than Belle Delphine" Cr1tikal who cannot be associated with sponsorship if that helps you understand how this isn't a one-sided issue.

>>2642939
>Calli strikes me as someone who does whatever is needed to get along better with EN management
I wouldn't generalise EN management here. Mori and Kiara each have their own managers, unlike the other three. Mori still swears plentily, and I think she said all this mostly to make an example of antis. She cared enough about this to write a part on her new EP. I can't say she's swearing much less so it's kind of a moot point です. A cheap shot to make this about sponsorship friendliness if you ask me.
>The opposite of Kiara in that regard.
What exactly did Kiara do that makes her look defiant or non-compliant with EN?

>>2643005
>JP doesn't get away with the same things as EN either
I’m satisfied with this answer. My point is simply to show censorship of EN content (treated with kid gloves), so whether or not you say there is different censorship based on different cultures, makes little difference to me. Calli’s video above showing her attempting to make her channel more family friendly for a US audience/culture, is no surprise to me. Perhaps anime is being associated with cartoons to a western audience. Hard to say for sure, but it’s dumb.
>>2643395
>What exactly did Kiara do that makes her look defiant or non-compliant with EN
She seems to blame management either directly or indirectly. An example of indirect, is when she said that all of the girls from hololive EN have wanted to stream with Coca, leaving only the management to blame.

>>2630027
timestamps?

>>2644155
>I’m satisfied with this answer.
I'd think we kind of agree on this, but you are contradicting it again 2 sentences later. EN isn't more family friendly than JP. Mori "Miss, hit, 'fuck this shit' then a bitch quits" isn't being sincere in that clip. She swears less, sure, but you cannot base it on that clip at all. Besides, that's a pretty dumb goalpost. The one chuuba whose character is about murdering people feels like she has to draw the line at swear words? DYRBI?
>leaving only the management to blame
Or China, or Coco, or the antis making such a huge issue out of it, or the geopolitical situation, or she acknowledges that it's just a situation that turned unpredicatably bad due to circumstances outside of everyone's control and doesn't ascribe blame to anyone, or she could blame the managers for letting Coco do something that causes such a shitstorm, instead of for punishing her for it afterwards. I see extremely little to go on here.

>>2567387
posting in this topic again to tell you to fuck off with this image OP

>>2567387
Cursed pic

>>2630027
You don't get it, enma and ina pretend that she is male because they want to slay the rrat that any talents at Hololive were sexually harassed by denying that only same-sex managers are allowed at Hololive now.

>>2647148
>or she acknowledges that it's just a situation that turned unpredicatably bad due to circumstances outside of everyone's control and doesn't ascribe blame to anyone
It's actually incredibly amazing just how many just can't seem to grasp this concept, like goddamn.

>>2647148
>EN isn't more family friendly than JP.
What your stating is not a matter of fact, but opinion. What is a matter of fact, is that both Calli and Kiara tried to limit/censor their swearing. Calli specifically said it was to protect the kids.
>The one chuuba whose character is about murdering people feels like she has to draw the line at swear words?
That’s like asking why Saturday morning cartoons for kids have cartoon violence. The idea is that a Western audience is more sensitive to sexuality and swearing, than cartoon violence.
>Or China, or Coco...
If Kiara says they are willing to do it, and Coco is willing as well (both said they are), then management remains a deciding factor.

Honestly, if you were to prove me wrong about all of this, I would be happier. I’m not saying what I want to be true, but what I believe is true regardless.

>>2648509
When mentioning a western audience here^, I was referring to the US in particular.

>>2648509
>Calli specifically said it was to protect the kids.
...you actually believe this?

>>2650287
>you believe Calli is telling the truth?
Obviously yes, because I believed this was the case before finding the confirmation from Calli herself.

>>2650501
Anon... I...

From 30 sec mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOibrqfRbAY

>>2567387
Kiara said she wants to organize an Among Us collaboration with HoloMyth and 5th Gen in the last Among Us collab, so you'll probably be getting something soon.

>>2567387
It's a mix of things, I bet.

For one, these girls are incredibly awkward around each other and are probably never going to get over that coworker relationship a lot of them have. They're already socially awkward to a crippling degree, but actually interacting with each other to get some shit going is likely difficult for them.
Two, there's apparently a lot of setup and preparation that goes into making collabs. It's significantly easier to just stream by yourself and be done with it for the day than to work together with other people and get things organized. You have to really want it and be in the mood for it. You can't force this.
And three, management is getting in the way of various collabs, most notably any Coco collabs. I don't think they interfere too much with the other girls and potential collabs, but there might still be some complicated shit there, we just don't know.

>>2650798
Without Kiara, not only would we have not gotten a glimpse of what might be wrong with management (Kiara cannot stay quiet lol), but there probably wouldn’t be enough push against whatever forces are stifling things on the EN side. Kiara is a free spirit that’s hard anyone to box in. I wasn’t a fan of her at first, but I’m liking her more over time.

>>2651105
>They're already socially awkward to a crippling degree

>>2648509
>>2650601
>What your stating is not a matter of fact, but opinion.
As a matter of fact, they are still swearing. And I think guh provides the context necessary to understand how insincere Mori was about being family friendly and nice in that clip, even if you are unwilling to parse her laughing and mockery of the "questions" in that clip as insincerity.
>The idea is that a Western (USA) audience is more sensitive to sexuality and swearing, than cartoon violence.
This is too vague and unrelated to mean anything. We aren't talking about cartoons or depictions of violence in the first place. No sponsor looks at the main demographic of Cartoon Network and thinks "wouldn't it be nice if a vtuber could sell anime gacha (Shadowverse collab) and AC Valhalla (Korone collab, rated 18+ btw) to them?". Worse, where do you think you are to imply western people interested in Vtubers, including companies with an overlapping demographic (which is necessary for the sponsorship to make sense), care much for swearing? Lastly, I don't see a case for US-americans being more sensitive than japanese people, period.
>Honestly, if you were to prove me wrong about all of this, I would be happier.
I am sorry anon, but "Kiara says they want to collab with Coco but they can't so obviously she must mean it's the managers' fault" is unfalsifiable speculation. Why you keep bringing this up even though you have been told 3 times already that it's a seperate issue with Coco is beyond me.
I cannot give you any leaks stating that HoloJP and EN abdicate their managers of all blame. The only reason I am still responding to you is because of my hope that you must have some material I am not aware of to be so fixated on the managers being wrong.

>>2659396
>they are still swearing
Yes, but both Calli and Kiara tried to limit/censor their swearing.
>insincere Mori was
Actually, Calli repeated something similar to Gura, to which Gura gave some push back against the need to censor themselves for kids. Gura was referring to being careful over YouTube censorship.
>This is too vague
Nope, it’s pretty clear and straightforward. In the US, sexuality and swearing is viewed as more of an issue to keep kids away from, while the same cartoons those kids watch can have some degree of violence.
>I don't see a case for US-americans being more sensitive than japanese people, period
They are less sensitive about certain things, and more sensitive about certain other things. There are cultural differences and different taboos. I imagine the EN manager tries to prevent things that may upset an EN audience, but doesn’t understand that many who like the JP streamers want that sort of thing unfiltered on EN as well.
>Kiara says they want to collab with Coco
They both said they’re willing to collab with each other, so the decided factor is the manager at this point.

>>2571251
Does Cali still work as a JET? Is that why she's so busy outside of streaming? I would think all of the EN girls would be able to drop whatever they are doing outside of streaming with the amount of superchat money they are making.

Here Gura thinks to censor themselves for YouTube, while Calli thinks to censor themselves for kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mEqcmPUoEM

Both are censorship, but for different reasons. Which means Gura, Kiara, and Calli, have all thought to censor themselves for various reasons, shown in various clips.

>>2629409
If you're taking art production jobs, be it commissions from private entities or from companies, it's more than just producing a piece. Revisions, feedback, and interactions with the client eat away at time and your productiveness. Getting into the zone and working efficiently can also require time. Deadlines will loom at there's more often than not some retarded request from the client that you need to fix and you better bet it's gonna come at you sideways five minutes before delivery. Depending on how many jobs Ina is taking, her schedule would likely be pretty packed.

>>2661724
Not that I know of. She mentioned on a stream a while back (1-3 months) that she was doing her creative job full time. Like Ina, Calli might be working on projects that aren't directly related to day-to-day streaming and collabs.

>>2661724
I think she quit JET back in decemeber.

>>2662861
>Like Ina, Calli might be working on projects that aren't directly related to day-to-day streaming and collabs.
Calli seems like a hard worker in general. Her channel has a good variety of videos on it. It’s not just all gaming.

>>2667642
EN stream variety ranking (not talking quality):
1. Calli
2. Kiara
3. Ina
4. Ame
5. Gura

>>2661724
She's doing a tour with her favorite jprappers as her alt. She's also been wanting to release music as her alt as well.

>>2650798
She said thid before as well about HoloID. She wanted to organize something where everyone can play. I guess the fruit of that was the momotetsu collab. Some people didn't have the right console i think? Coz she was leaning to do mario kart. Nothing came after that. Maybe since this will be gen 5, and we have a Botan that knows how lead a group. Maybe we can get something