/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>25535849
Holy kek

Multiple reasons that range from the streamers not being exposed as much to the entirety of Niji due to being so much and the talents themselves not putting all the members on their channels tab to viewers not having the time to watch them all and overlapping stream hours. Hololive management at least as this part down is that with the little they have they micro manage much more and much better.

Why is every other post in the catalog something like this followed by a bunch of brown children in the comments saying "based" or "kek"

>>25536192
Speaking from experience?

>>25535849
Did you just discover this chart/Nijisanji numbers now or what? They're performing better than usual, 10k tier used to be underpopulated

>>25535849
>not an idol company
>Why do they not have the so called 'hakooshi' type of fans?
do holobronies really?

>>25535849
Their numbers look really good these days. desu a lot of those underperformers barely stream anyways

>>25535849
The newbie to the company almost triplicates in ccv the most watched niji lmao.

most of those 3 views barely even stream as you can see

>>25535849
Its really hard being a hako oshi fan of Nijisanji when the members are so different from each other and appeal to very different audiences.

>>25535849
>kokoro, rion, mao, hayama
Funny how the 4 I watch the most have the closest ccv numbers to each other
Not so funny that they're all in the middle of the pack, those girls deserve better

>>25536228
Yeah, experience reading /vt/

>>25535849

>>25536436
The sad thing is that even with Salome Nijis overall average CCV is still less than half of Hololives. Even with 90k average she can't carry those shitters.

>>25536994
>kokoro
you don't watch her

>>25535849
You can't be a hakooshi for 200 vtubers unless you're a time lord or you only watch clips. All day.

>>25536445
Shouldn't they get more viewers the less they stream? The 35k guy only stream 6 times this month and there's also 8k guy with 3 streams. It's the same case with Holo too, see Ayame/Aqua/Shion

>>25537214
35k guy is an event any time he streams because it's Kenmochi
8k guy was going through another menhera phase at the time

>>25537162
>hurr durr no one calls her kokoro
I call every chuuba I like by their first name cause it feels more personal. I only use Hayama's last name cause if I call her Marin it might attract ahoy schizos

>>25537353
He barely streams yet is late for every stream

>>25537380
assuming you are watching her, can you tell my what is her fan name? this is easy right?

>>25538054
Its the kkbros obviously

>>25537092
Kek

>>25537092
Yep, Nijisanji to a tee

Seriously though, Holo has like 5 30k streamers, 5 20k streamers, and 10+ 10k streamers so they seem like a really strong group while Niji seems weak as shit. I mean, people wouldn't know about Kenmochi if they're not numberfags.

>>25541369
>people wouldn't know about Kenmochi if they're not numberfags
do holofags have a humiliation fetish
your own girl has nijisanji oshi marks on her sub account

>>25535849
Salome is draining them all away.

If you have pre-Salome numbers, I'd be interested in seeing if they dipped for everyone else post-Salome.

>>25535849
looking at this chart you would think kohaku is a relevant streamer and that's all I have to say about just looking at numbers

>>25542972
It's a legit chart, Ran-nee is giga popular, easily a 15k streamer any time she goes live.

>>25542972
>>25543099
Eh, median doesn't mean shit to people with 1 or 2 streams but it's good enough for people with 5 streams or more

>>25542287
>your own girl has nijisanji oshi marks on her sub account
whos that? Matsuri?

>>25535849
>I really feel bad looking at those 3 digit streamers.
Sitting down to play games sometimes on your free time, be a dork with friends, and being occasionally paid to do so is what most people here would do in a heartbeat if the opportunity was simply handed to them. There's nothing wrong with three digits if you're not planning on making a career out of being a cringe anime avatar for the rest of your life that you can't comfortably talk about in family gatherings, irl friends, or even your cringe online groomers on discord.

>>25535849
It's a bit hard to explain but to put it simply nijisanji will never have the same amount of high CCV streamers as hololive does no matter how many talents they debut simply because big chunk of holo fans are tourists coming from other holo talents when their oshi is not streaming. It's a never ending hoping from stream to stream. Of course, this is a crude generalization and it does not apply to every fan but that's how things are in general. Is that bad? I don't think it is because it helps to promote talents making them appear more popular than they really are while nijisani fans mostly stick to one or few people and give 0 fucks about anyone else. This is also the reason why in most cases CCV-SC ratio is better for nijisanji because tourists rarely donate or buy merch.

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>>25535849
neat

>>25544037
>big chunk of holo fans are tourists coming from other holo talents when their oshi is not streaming
So what's the reason that Niji can't achieve that? The image of Niji to me is that the fans fucking hate each other to the point that most of the anti of that girl are actually fans of that guy

>>25544037
>big chunk of holo fans are tourists coming from other holo talents
>CCV-SC ratio is better for nijisanji because tourists rarely donate or buy merch
idk what r u talkin about when at least half of top 10 sc are holomem?? Except kuzuha, kanae and few nijien this year i rarely see nijifads in top scs lol if you're going by that logic

>>25546686
Said multiple times in this thread but here we go again: because JP in specific are too many and too diverse to be sold as a package on top of a huge chunk of them doing this as a side job or hobby.

>>25546686
It's impossible to keeping up with 200 streamers anon, that's why Niji fans only active on twitter and turning in events.

ill never understand why himawari got her nendoroid before sasaki

>>25546746
What I meant is that although Hololive usually beats niji in CCV, when you divide CCV by SC earnings then it brings Holomem way closer to nijisanji. But that's not all. Some lower CCV niji members are straight out outperforming top Holo talents by a large margin. What does that tell you? You can make certain assumptions based on that data (up to you to believe which is true):
1.Niji fans are more dedicated than holo fans so they're more likely to send SC
2.Big portion of holo viewers are tourists from other talents so they won't ever send SCs although they'll tune in to watch most interesting Holomem when their oshi is not streaming

Those points can be further bolstered by attached pic. 4/10 May SCs are Hololive talents but the interesting point is that they're Chloe, Lamy, Koyori and Kanata. Not one of them are top holomem in terms of CCV and they purely rely on their dedicated fanbases. While they're outliers in Hololive, that's pretty much what whole of Nijisanji is: support your oshi and maybe few others and give no fucks about anyone else. Hololive is more like a group package.

>>25547682
She used to be popular

>>25547682
It's the subs man. She's getting 2.9k median now but you wouldn't think that she used to be the 2nd most subbed female in Niji

>>25548136
Niji fans traditionally don't even SC because they're more merch-focused so it's a miracle they even SC more now

>>25548136
I send most superchats during mengen streams. I think those are not getting counted by numbers.

>>25535849
Roa...

>>25550033
This; there's a reason new Nijisanji merch is constantly coming out. Many fans prefer buying voice packs or using streamlabs to support their oshi financially to forking over money to Susan.

>>25535849
This is the one two years ago.

>>25535849
53 is the number of streams, right? How...

>>25552094
Apex

>>25535849
this proved that hololive's formula works really well considering Salome is number one right now but then again

it also proved that nijisanji's character diversity and niches work as well. all of these members have their own loyal fanbase and even the smaller ccv people are thriving in their own way making their own kind of contents

I was gonna talk about each member that I watch but I deleted them bcs it's freakin long.

>>25552704
>even the smaller ccv people are thriving in their own way
Yeah, now let's see how much money they are making
For example, Chima's debut date is 2018/09/03, and she made 200 000$ dollars throughout her entire carreer. And that is before the Youtube cut and before the company cut, she probably only gets 40-50% of this amount. 100 000$ in roughly 3 years and 9 months, that's not a lot. Unless she's making a ton of money from memberships or merch or something, this doesn't look like thriving. At least not financially.

>>25552935
Forgot to add - her median CCV is like 4k, now imagine how much money sub-1k nijis are making

>>25535849
The fuck I thought Alice/Claire/Deron/Kanda were popular or at least mid tier
wtf happened to them?

>>25552935
I don't really understand why you'd make a judgement on how much they make just from the superchats. Seems very ignorant

>>25551132
Damn I didn't realise how badly Gibara and Lulu graduations hurt them

>>25553201
Because that's the only thing that is easy to track. Memberships should be possible to track, but I don't know of any website that does it.

>>25553280
Sure I guess, but that doesn't mean that we have a clue on how much they're actually making. As you've mentioned it ignores merch and memberships, but also ad revenue, concert earnings, voice packs and promotions

>>25553064
Well, according to this >>25551132 they seem to be around mid-tier 2 years ago and yes, I think calling 2-3k ccv mid tier isn't exactly wrong for Niji, especially the past Niji

>>25552935
Chima is still a student and she only treats vtubing as a side hobby like most of the low-tier Niji member. 60% of her content right now is singing the same setlist over and over again, and the other 40% is minecraft.

>>25552935
well, you answered your own question. while SC has a huge effect on how wealthy they can be, stability comes from merch, adsense, and membership. in that way, they ARE thriving.

ok tldr of what I wrote down here. my point is that they are all able to do this and actually have loyal fanbase without the constriction of being an "idol". they thrive as youtubers.

Deron is literally a signed anisong singer at this point and so are Hakase and Rion as part of trinity. Sango slipped her way into the japanese trpg streamer scene while gwelu is literally just doing whatever bullshit he can think of. Maimoto is up there eventho he's a huge niche in the industry. Onomachi is one of the few vtubers who do trad ASMR stuff. Yumeoi is basically an indie singer, and I dont even know how to explain debi.

>>25552935
Eh, they're females in Niji. Unicorns aren't gonna go too hard into dumping superchats on them, also women don't superchat that much either, but you have to see the merch and album sales that the males get. They're getting #1 on Oricon left and right, even Holo can't do that.

>>25553249
Gibara's graduation probably hurt Kazaki more than it hurt Njijisanji as a while

>>25535849
throw stuff against a wall and see what sticks
then adapt or die
such is the niji way

>>25535849
why is this matter though? They have big streamers who will bring them money
Also 500 CCV is already in the top 1% of the streaming industry

>>25541369
They don't stream either.

>>25535849
What's the deal with green haired ponytail man at the bottom, I remember someone saying he has a ton of antis but I never heard why.

>>25562588
They hate him because he's a prophet who prophesied the death of old heavenly kings

>>25552935
Naraka has made 100k on sc
yet has moved twice while in Nijisanji, has an expensive asmr setup, whales in male idol games, and has spent over 7k usd worth on her itabags
its almost as if SC means fucking nothing to their actual income?

>>25552094
While Chihiro does 12 hours streams daily, Elu goes for two 4 hour streams a day. They are both pretty much the most prolific vtubers in terms of hours streamed, just have different ways of achieving it.

>>25552935
>100 000$ in roughly 3 years and 9 months, that's not a lot
are you delusional? assuming that she streams part time, which at least based on this month it seemed like she did, that a fuckton of money. a lot of nijisanji livers stream casually as a side gig and making 25k a year from that is really impressive. it's less compared to other streamers but that is a lot of money.

>>25553669
What are you on about, Chima has possibly the biggest setlist among Vsingers and does at least a couple of completely new songs every other utawaku, often picking up new trending anisongs like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang recently when most people tend to focus on vocaloid trends. Even her interpretations of songs change a lot, just compare her Utayo from last November which was more playful to the more emotive one she has done the past few times as an example.

>>25563830
>ignoring merch
>or vp
>or concerts
>or ads
>or shill streams
>or songs
>or side gigs
let me guess, you really believe deron lives a gucci prada fendi lifestyle on sc alone right?

>>25563830
Not only does she stream part time, Chima pretty much took a break for almost an year early on in her career, she's really only started streaming again since August 2020 that she's been streaming regularly in any capacity

>>25560199
250 CCV is in the top 1% of streaming actually, so even you are overestimating