/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp/
>https://vtuber-ch.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://www.hololyzer.net/2j3j/
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *
>96,226: Salome (Nijisanji)
>48,485: Fubuki (Hololive)
>34,298: Miko (Hololive)
>26,298: Lui (Hololive)
>22,157: Iroha (Hololive)
>20,919: Ayame (Hololive)
>18,125: Shion (Hololive)
>15,608: Laplus (Hololive)
>14,690: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>14,543: Noel (Hololive)
>13,893: Watame (Hololive)
>13,089: Koyori (Hololive)
>12,120: Subaru (Hololive)
>11,241: Towa (Hololive)
>11,120: Kobo (Hololive)
>10,525: Kanata (Hololive)
>10,287: Risu (Hololive)
>10,115: Kronii (Hololive)

>>25452491
>JUNE 2022 GOLD
1) Salome (Nijisanji) - 97,905 - Resident Evil 7
2) Haachama (Hololive) - 46,696 - 4th anniversary totsumachi
3) Salome (Nijisanji) - 96,226 - GTA V

>PER COMPANY
2x: Nijisanji
1x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
2x: Salome
1x: Haachama

2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
104x: Hololive
41x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
17x: Pekora
16x: Aqua
12x: Miko
11x: Kuzuha
7x: Subaru
6x: Hal, Salome
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Suisei, Toya
3x: Choco, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu
2x: Ange, Chloe, Flare, Fuwa, Korone, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, Botan, Calli, Chronoir, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Roboco, Rushia, Sora, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

>>25452535
Salome will have the most 2022 golds by the end of this month. Such powerful numbers

>>25452696
Can she beat Pekora for 2022?

>>25452833
How many does Pekora have?

I'm feeling it, bros. Mori 10K tonight.

How many views would a hypothetical Sana graduation get, at 11 PM EST, with no overlap? Format is sort of like a totsu, but it's just her bringing on people and chatting with them about her time in Hololive and thanking the viewers for watching her. Maybe at some point they go into Minecraft and do a sendoff for her or something like that. Could it hit 50k?

>>25452696
Being realistic if the YT algorithm continues to favor Hololive, whatever Salome does won't matter. Nijisanji will still lose due to Hololive gradually getting funneled new viewers.

Ah, peace

>>25453035
>>25453043
y-yeah anons...

>>25452491
>Holo 16
>Niji 2

>>25453198
Salome is going to do great things for Niji's numbers I trust in the trickle down viewership

>>25453035
why?

bros am I a schizo? I really feel bad for sana, I genuinely do for both her and her fans
because they genuinely like her and want to see more of them, and sana feels like she WANTS to deliver but I dont know...I guess she's not really motivated? the whole situation makes me sad
she seems nice and wholesome....1.2k waiting with 15 minutes left

So whats the point of holo shorts ch? Why are they copying nijien ch
https://youtu.be/h293pn1_phU

>>25453412
She funneling more to Hololive than Nijisanji right now. We'll see when she starts collabing.

>>25453482
its because holoEN management is made up of the rejects of JP and ID management

>>25453419
Because I'm enjoying the stream this time.

>>25453505 >>25453412
See my post. >>25453073

Salomes numbers make her the undisputed number 1 streamer in the world right now. Wonder how long it'll last.

>>25453482
>So whats the point of holo shorts ch?
It would've been great if they used it to upload content while the girls were on break, so there isn't a lack of content from the branch.

* FINAL TWITCH TALLY OF THE DAY *

- 03-Jun
> 14,343 : Ine (KR Isegye Idol)
> 12,199 : Shoto (EN Indy)
> 10,711 : Jururu (KR Isegye Idol)
> 10,192 : Veibae (EN VShojo)
> 9,541 : VIichan (KR Isegye Idol)
> 8,295 : Lilpa (KR Isegye Idol)
> 6,359 : Sakura Miko (JP Hololive)
> 6,355 : Zentreya (EN VShojo)
> 6,325 : Nachoneko (JP Indy)
> 5,517 : zrush (CN Indy)
> 5,424 : Laplus Darknesss (JP Hololive)
> 4,712 : Silvervale (EN VShojo)
> 4,604 : ZilverK (SP LA RATIZA)
> 4,545 : Mysta Rias (EN Nijisanji)

1. Ine's stream pattern is 3-4 days of stream, 3-4 days break, so she always gets big numbers at a "return" stream
2. Veibae has become a daily streamer, even joked about it in her title
3. Shoto is pretty much the top EN vtuber right now though, gets the best numbers for games
3. Plenty of JPs and one Mysta streamed today, making the list bulkier than usual.
4. Mysta is now Twitch affiliated

>>25453874
IsegyeXHololive collab when?

How do we stop salome holobros?

>>25453874
is it safe to say that vshojo isn't the biggest corp on twitch?
I still don't get why haachama wants to collab with them, she can fucking speak korean, collab with the big korean dons you retards...or is it chinese, nah I'm pretty sure she can speak some korean?

>>25453874
>JUNE 2022 TWITCH GOLD
1) VIichan (Isegye Idol) - 15,498 - Vocaloid WC React, Naver catchup
2) Gosegu (Isegye Idol) - 14,571 - VR Chat - tween model showcase
3) Ine (Isegye Idol) - 14,343 - Zatsu, React - Naver and clips catchup

>PER COMPANY
3x: Isegye Idol

>PER STREAMER
1x: Gosegu, Ine, VIichan

>>25453899
When managers feel like it i guess.

>>25453914
Encourage male collabs especially with NijiEN

>>25453596
Maybe this time Riku will roll a nat 20 against Yagoo

>>25453984
Same as for
>>25453899
They probably never talked.
Easier to collab with someone where you already have a link with - Mori, kson, Bae.

Also, she's pushing "speak good English" as one of her 'defining traits'
Plus, most holo members might just vaguely know how popular Isegye and vtubers got in Korea. Or even how much they like Hololive.
If the talents don't push for it, we know how slow management can move to arrange something.

sana's peak waiting room was 1.95-2k

>>25453984
April vs May medals tally:

>April
Group - Gold / Silver / Bronze
Isegye Idol) - 15 / 19 / 17
VShojo) - 11 / 8 / 7
Indy) - 4 / 1 / 4

>May
Group - Gold / Silver / Bronze
Isegye Idol) - 21 / 16 / 15
VShojo) - 6 / 6 / 6
Indy) - 3 / 7 / 7
LA RATIZA) - 1 / 0 / 0

>>25453914
We don't and we shouldn't.
Salome going huge is not a problem for Hololive, it's a problem for Nijisanji.

>>25454264
oh wow...these numbers are something alright, they only have 3-4 constant streams at vshojo right? I wonder why they haven't introduced a new gen

>>25454092
See >>25453198
If Nijisanji's place in the algorithm never changes Hololive will continue to sweep every other position besides 1st.

>>25454354
Salome is already reclining. No more 100k+ CCV.
Can she even maintain 90k CCV by the end of next week?

>>25452491
>JUNE 2022 GOLD
1) Aki (Hololive) - 72,251
2) Haachama (Hololive) - 46,696
3) Fubuki (Hololive) - 48,485

>PER COMPANY
3x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
1x: Aki, Haachama, Fubuki

There, I fixed the list for you to remove any botted streams. Get your shit together Tally Anon.

2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
104x: Hololive
39x: Nijisanji
7x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
17x: Pekora
16x: Aqua
12x: Miko
11x: Kuzuha
7x: Subaru, Hal
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Salome, Suisei, Toya
3x: Choco, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu
2x: Aki, Ange, Chloe, Flare, Fuwa, Korone, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa
1x: AI, Axia, Ayame, Botan, Calli, Chronoir, Fubuki, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Roboco, Rushia, Sora, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta.

>>25454153
I suppose that makes sense, would be nice to see them get closer to the korean audience rather than the english one though, but haachama does her own thing most of the time so it's not going to matter

>>25454468
based tally, thank you anon
>>25452535
kys

>>25452419
Kobo Love

sana 3k
also it seems like mori's stream died for a second?

>>25454450
We'll see where she is after a day's break. If she retains most of her audience she'll remain a contender for gold.

>>25452419
BOKOBOBOBOB

>>25454352
>The Vshojo 2nd Gen
no one really knows
if all the rrats are to go by, that shitshow is what's driving the group down lately.

But it's mostly other personal things, Mosey moving, Hime getting married, Nyanners and Froot doing .... i don't know what.
Silver, Zen and even Meeody streamed fairly regularly and with Vey back, they do have way more active streamers than for 1/2 of May.

Btw, Vey i know you're here because you referenced it, you don't need to stream daily to cover for Mousey, your fans aren't used to it.
At least vary your content more so it doesn't feel like 1 continuous series.

mori lost a whole 1.5K after the stream dying, she was at 6.5k now she's barley at 5k

>>25454450
It's been mentioned by the rational many times that the numbers are manufactured and she will be sub 5k in 1.5 weeks

>>25454757
>Btw, Vey i know you're here because you referenced it

>>25454757
>Btw, Vey i know you're here because you referenced it,
wait really?
vei you fucking whore, your new model is so fucking sex, and the art for it is magnificent, I especially love how your tits look
I still won't watch though

>>25454498
Bae would probably be better, the group would be more her speed + she could do VR dance collabs eventually.

Kiara could probably get along with Jingburger if they could communicate.

>>25454815
15~20k take it or leave it.
She's probably have a similar audience to Lize, that mostly watches her solo stuff, but she's already starting off way higher than she ever was.

>>25454757
seems like an overall stagnation, I'm sure they'll get out of it soon

I masturbate to your voice Vei.

btw anons how does holo stats calculate the daily views? are the views+ for today mean the views the channel gained on the 3rd?
how did okayu gained 2.2 million? and how did haachama gain 640k?

>>25454757
Vei, you suck, stop shitting up the board, you trashy whore. Go do something nice for your viewers for a change so your numbers quit tanking.

>>25455149
That's usually either an error or they unprivated stuff.

>>25454016
What's the deal with isegye
were they vtubers from the beginning or did they start as something else
why is one of them a hamburger

I don't dislike Mori but dear god her streams are painful to watch

COME ON SANNER, GET THAT 4K
>>25455289
she's just boring, painfully so

>>25455149
>>25455251
Okayu's channel turned into an artist's channel so her topic channel views got merged.

I don't get it. Does this timeslot really only work for Fauna and Ina? I don't understand.

>>25453984
Haachama speaks Japanese and very basic English. Would be cool to see Lofi, Ina, or Kronii do a collab with one of them. Anyone know what their content is like? Is it more like Vshoujo or Hololive? I know they're on twitch but they feel causally disconnected from the rest of the Twitch meta.

>>25455461
React ...meta

>>25454757
Why would Vei be in the numbers thread when 99% of the time we don't give a fuck about her? Much more likely to browse vsg+ or even lig, or her dedicated split when it's up.

>NA hours
>thread is dead
wth? where are the fights?

>>25455461
ah no I was just using haachama because she REALLY wants to collab with twitch chuubas for some reason
also I'd argue her english isn't really basic, she just has a hard time with conversations because she doesn't use it but I swear I heard that she speaks basic japanese and korean

>>25455513
How do they uh...react I guess? Like really slutty or just try to be humorous?

>>25455454
They should be streaming much earlier than this.
Firstly, almost all western employed otaku work in a job where they're sitting infront of a computer.
Secondly, if you're a fan of JP you should be resting at this hour.
Thirdly, if there is no break in content the viewer will create their own.

>>25455580
wait until gura starts and cumbuds take over trying to force their cope
also sana 4k

Mori's numbers are abominations. This is what happens when you schizophrenically stream in 5 different timeslot depending on your whim

>>25453874
why do you use indy instead of indie?

>>25455653
To seperate from Indie-rock which is the superior and more popular version of rock music.
Though that guy isn't me and im talking shit.

>>25455580
not until EN3

>>25455699
I'm going to go ahead and call you based anyway

>>25453914
Salome isn't competition since she doesn't steal viewers from anyone, so holos can just treat her like a tourist attraction

>>25455648
why would she care so long as her music does well?

If Sana's announcement is something related to Council like new outfits or 3D and they decided to let her be the one announcing it with this stream and without hyping it beforehand I swear I'm going full schizo

>>25455648
inconsequential anon, streaming to her is even less than a hobby at this moment
she said that the umg deal doesn't care if she stays in hololive or not

>>25455823
That sounds extremely EN management like, you just willed it into being

>>25455823
It's gonna be a song. The other thing will be a break probably. She didn't sound enthusiastic for the 2nd one.

>>25455830
>she said that the umg deal doesn't care if she stays in hololive or not
Fuck are you talking about? That doesn't even make sense. Source it.

>>25454815
>sub 5k
I think she'll recline, but that's cope. She'll collab with males a few times, do a longer stream, play Apex or some other game her audience doesn't like, and in the end she'll be a normal streamer instead of *Bigger than xQc Numbers*

did sana make the announcement already? it hasn't even broken 5k

>>25455252
bit of both, Vtubers were a thing in KR before and pretty much all of them had some vtuber or streamer background.

It started with One Man and a vision!
To make a Korean vtuber idol group!

Some anon made a better copypasta but basically, woowakgood, probably the biggest streamer in KR in this sphere held auditions and made the group.
Some of the girls like Ine kept their model and name from before, others changed but they entered the WAK streamer group and then did normal vtuber stuff with some VR till their orisong release when things kicked into high gear.

I keep seeing that one of the main driving forces for their continued growth is a Hololive style box + the fan interaction that Coco had.
The beginning of their stream, sometimes the whole stream is looking up their naver page for at fanart, edits, but also clips of the other members so they're all caught, while creating a feedback loop.
They also do a lot of VR dancing and singing, so the idol part isn't just a gimmick.

Also, she just wanted a hat burger.

>>25455830
She did not say that, and she's signed as the Calliope Mori character, it would be a vastly different situation if she suddenly had to just revert to herself. Not saying 100% it would void the contract but it's certainly not a "they don't care" situation as it would dramatically effect her potential sales.

>>25455927
After she makes the cake.

>>25455912
She needs to just give in and spam FFXIV. She loves MMOs after all

>>25455648
Just wait until the collab starts ina few hours, Let see if Miko, Robocco amd Sana can help her

>>25456092
Don't fucking curse her with that EVIL anon.

>>25455823
>council
>3d
lol, they only gave myth 3d since they had some success

>all these seething from ENsharts especially from Councilkeks after the Gen6 3D was revealed
Cover would have done more for them if they weren't lazy pieces of shit hahahaha this is great

>>25456115
What are you talking about anon? That collab is tomorrow

>>25456171
Wrong thread

>>25456092
God, wouldn't it be absolutely fucking hilarious if she actually was botted, and Anykara's plan for how to disguise her sudden drop off is for her to just start playing FFXIV non-stop, until it became genuinely impossible to determine if she hadn't just destroyed her popularity? It sounds full proof, actually.

>>25456171
ogey

>>25456171
council could of been twice as successful as myth and they would've got the same

>>25454153
Does management even push for any outside collabs? I know they have some sort of "programs" to pair people who rarely collab with each other and the main channel stuff but to do something with other company talents would have to ask about it themselves like Calli insisted to collab with TTfags because she was a fan of them rather than hololive and then also vshojos because gunrun got really involved with her anituber friends. Anyway you need a member to show interest and the only one that could possibly make it happen would be Kiara (with the help of BAE, Kronii and perhaps even Ame), she would have to reach some isegye member and talk with her on discord for a start on a personal rather than company level. Thing is nobody outside of this thread seem to be aware that vshojo is mogged on twitch by Koreans. Doesn't seem like isegye have many clippers, much like with A-Soul it's hard to find anything translated on youtube as their presence is very much local, befriending a holo or two would help them massively that's for sure.

>>25456171
yeah, we don't actually care.

Numbers are numbers and Nin-nin 3D will bring numbers.

Seething happened when EN1 and ID1 had to do lackluster "here's my home 3D" to shit numbers instead.

>>25455823
Pretty sure Sana's B-day is next week, so yeah...

>>25456206
No point in botting someone into a large level of popularity only to kill off all their actual viewers. Would be funny though.

>>25456356
No she will be the outlier and stream FFXIV msq to 90k viewers and (You) will kneel

>>25454277
How do?

What are the possibilities of EN3 being the Sankisei of the English market and actually rendering the previous two gens irrelevant?

>>25456562
the EN market doesn't have the numbers

>>25455548
Veibae doesn't seem to give shit about numbers anyway since she was busy killing her own channel and fanbase for months recently, similar to that other whore nyanners. Vshojo is pretty much Ironmouse and some side-kicks at this point.

>>25456246
>Calli insisted to collab with TT
Get out of the rrat zone anon, Kodokawa and Cover pushed for that collab because Gigguk had been pushing vtubers in the "anime community" for months by that point.
Calli had no idea who they were at the start.

you wrote a lot...
uh, no, in fact Cover makes it pretty hard to do outside collabs because they have to vet everyone so it doesn't ruin their sponsorships.

>nobody outside of this thread seem to be aware that vshojo is mogged on twitch by Koreans
that's true, even the KR thread almost never posts anything about them, mostly Niji KR and indies.

>translated on youtube - EN
There's a lot of translated stuff, because they used to pay translators on almost all of their YT videos, but up till January, when they probably saw there was no interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndcnd98rDDA

Exposure would help, yes. They're all weebs and Holofans and would love it.
It would be good for Holo too since they have a big audience in KR but making a KR branch could be a minefield.

>>25456562
Zero, the EN market boom already happened with Myth

a couple of jps are overlapping gura, amelia and bae, plus the fact its a multi POV collab too...I don't feel so good bros

>>25456246
No reason to push for outside collabs when you're at the top, any talent wanting to do so is wanting it for personal reasons so it's up to them to float the idea

>>25456598
>>25456618
The JP market just pulled 100k+ fresh viewers that never watched Vtubers before with a solo debut. EN3 could pull similar numbers of new viewers

>>25455823
Still expecting 3D

>>25456650
>The JP market just pulled 100k+ fresh viewers that never watched Vtubers before with a solo debut
Where?

>>25456650
they pulled anime watchers. people might watch anime in the west, but there certainly aren't enough to make anything like that happen. and that debut have absolutely nothing to do with a new gen or holo

>>25456650
I doubt that anybody who isn't into anime is willing to watch chuubas and anime is still less popular in the west than in JP, besides >90% of anime watchers think Vtubers are weird and/or disgusting

>>25456562
that would require EN management to be active

>>25456689
Salome, basically none of her viewers ever watched Vtubers before

>>25456692
>and that debut have absolutely nothing to do with a new gen
Of course it does, it happened in the JP market so it can happen in any market. Maybe there isn't a million people that haven't been accessed yet, but the market still probably has 100k in the English regions that can show up at any time

>>25456643
Leave it to the JPs to try and steal viewers from Gura's slot when they already have their own... En is always nice and respects them but that respect doesn't go both ways like how they overlapped Mori's costume

>>25452419
>>25452445
The OP always put high tier art in the first two post
are you a drawfag

>>25456820
>Salome
Oh...
I thought you were being serious.

>>25456741
>>90% of anime watchers think Vtubers are weird and/or disgusting
I've seen those types. It seems like some sort of defence mechanism, like when left leaning faggots pretend that the episode of The Office where the black kids aren't getting their tuitions paid for college is anything but one of the best episodes of the show.

>>25456650
The markets are different enough that it seems unlikely anon.
At best they'll do better than Council because they don't have self-debuff to such a big extent as council did in their opening months.

>>25456848
not that i know all of these, but i think the the art is usually by artists that have done vtuber models?

>>25456643
Subaru's free talk is a one hour thing. Any tourists that woulda watched her will go back to Gura anyway. And is there any POV but Bae(lol) and Gura?

>>25456840
didn't bae stream over haachama yesterday?

>>25456880
If we live in a world where Salome can do what she did and we have to take it seriously as something that can just happen, then you must apply the same logic to other markets besides JP

Does Mori care about the numbers?

>>25456969
you have no idea why salami blew up do you? it can never happen in the EN market

>>25457004
Stream numbers: no
Music numbers: yes

>>25456650
A female streamer consistently pulling 90-100k is basically impossible, even Salome is unbelievable but explainable by tourists interested in a big corpo gimmick

>>25456840
Bae already streamed over at quite a few JP 3Ds wherever she goes for that timeslot (Korone for example)

>>25455289
I haven't watched her in a while, but for some reason she now tries to sound like adam sandler.

>>25456939
on holodex amelia has a spot but she didn't put the waiting room up yet I guess? also bae's POV is an hour after gura starts for some reason

>>25457024
No one actually believes the tourist meme

>>25457016
Of course I have no idea why she blew up, no one does. But she did blow up, that's something that must be taken at face value or we can't discuss her at all.

So if the market isn't oversaturated and Vtubers can blow up whenever with new audiences, then it shouldn't be isolated to JP alone when the EN market is no where near as heavily exploited as the JP one.

sana 5k!!!

>>25457133
a redditor. that explains it

>>25456562
Not gonna happen unless they add a legit celebrity or something.

>>25452491
Another day another time Salome gets twice the number of viewers as all of Nijisanji combined.

>>25457025
>stream numbers
I will say 50/50, she went from not caring to full blown streaming machine and now back to not caring.

>>25456650
You really believe that huh?

>>25457173
This is Hololive's floor.

>>25457292
>>25457228
>>25457187
Convince me its impossible without dismissing Salome's numbers out of hand. Provide a compelling argument that the EN market cap has been reached

>>25457133
But there is already someone who has already blown up in EN market (I didn't want to mention her because it will attract schizos and a lot of bait) and it's Gura. All the views, numbers, hype, and people who got into Vtubers because of her or that only watch her is out of this world. Just compare her with any other EN chuuba, she's on her own league getting 2 times the numbers the second biggest EN vtuber in the world gets (pick whoever you want the second to be)

>>25457016
>it can never happen in the EN market
It already did though

>>25457299
Flood is a very nebulous concept. If you include SC readings and Watchalong, or Holo ID, or Matsuri it's significantly lower.

>>25456562
0, it ain't getting bigger than Gura was, the best they can do is draw some old fans back with kino skits and collabs and permissions. If they're looking for true audience expansion at this point, its either a new branch, or Japan.

>>25457364
it can never happen in the current state you stupid chumbud

>>25456650
EN3 management would have to do get so many things right and then some for that to even happen

>>25457351
>>25457364
Gura is no where near salami level, to reach salami level you need xQc numbers

>>25457338
It's not impossible, just exceedingly unlikely for there to be another vtuber mania 2 years after it peaked. That's just not how waves of cultural popularity generally work.

XQC is old news, biggest streamer is Asmongold.

>>25457508
It's the same thing.

>>25456650
lol

>>25457435
>in the current s
kek

Hololive will sign Johnny Depp as a vtuber to play Marines first mate Bonny Zepp and he will be the first vtuber to get 1 million CCV

>Sana 1,8k votes in 2 mins with 5,5k viewers
Even her poll numbers are low...

>>25457477
Okay? That doesn't invalidate the possibility of a new generation breaking out and somehow being more popular than Gura. Present solid evidence, surely there's some way to determine the actual hard limit of Vtuber growth

>>25452696
Where is your paralympic gold now?

>>25457529
Dunno about that, an Asmon clip got 1m views in 20 minutes.
Would take a nation of chinks watching a niji to compete.

>>25457544
Salami lizard...

>>25457624
I mean all the big twitch people are interchangeable.

>>25457593
If EN3 has a Chloe type then it's possible. Omegatranny just needs to focus on getting people who actually want to fucking stream rather than people who have college or other jobs they want to focus on over Hololive. The only consistent streamer in Council is Baelz and she fucked her growth by immediately pulling an Ollie and hopping on a homos dick

SC numbers for June 2nd.

>>25457451
>xQc streams on twitch and is unculled
>Gura is utterly hated by Susan and culled heavily on YouTube

>>25456614
>Get out of the rrat zone anon, Kodokawa and Cover pushed for that collab because Gigguk had been pushing vtubers in the "anime community" for months by that point.
>Calli had no idea who they were at the start.

Anon come on both her and Milky were fans, the only holos doing shit with TT people were Calli, Ollie (another TT fan) and Kiara (probably talked into it by the reaper) and we know that Calli in particular wanted to do way more collabs with "fleshtubers" including her anituber "friends" (and got denied multiple times). Who knows perhaps we would have a Calli x Conur pairing instead of ironmouse one if management allowed them to interact more.

>>25457746
HIT THE GAS, KOYORIIII

>>25457578
I have her on in the background and didn't even notice there was a poll until someone mentioned it on the global thread. With her weird accent it's really hard to listen or understand what she's saying unless you actively focus on it, otherwise it just becomes noise.

>>25457738
Chloe really isn't anything special, she's fallen off quite a bit since debut. If EN3 had someone like here it wouldn't really be "bigger than Myth/Council".

>>25457875
She had the most rapid growth to 600k than any other Holo. She fell off because her grandmother, who was her primary carer, passed away and she had to move out with her sister.

>>25457593
>Pewdiepie decides that becoming Japanese isn't enough, he has to become an anime too
>Pewdiepie debuts as HomoEN solo
Even if this happened, he STILL would probably be less popular than Salome. That's why so many people call her CCV fake, because even in the absolute most outrageous scenario, it won't produce this level of numbers. It's actually impossible for EN to do it because it's impossible for JP to do it, that's what people really believe even if they know it sounds schitzo to admit it.

>5.6k Watching
>4.5k votes in the Poll at <15mins
You tell me, is this a good or bad ratio?

>>25458020
pewds is canceled and committed chink crimes
pls do not use my oshi to shitpost here

On twitch, only like what, Asmongold, XQC and Ibai can pull Salome's ccv constantly right?
Most big hitters are around 20k~40k depends on what they are doing.

>>25457813
i'm hard filtered as esl due to her accent. need english subtitles to understand her

>>25458241
Actually, Salome's numbers are higher than theirs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMQ7fDY42hs
HOLY FUCKING KEK

>>25458123
It's a lot lower than most ENs would get, but I think at this point a lot of her audience is tabbed out and just listening. You'll get better polls numbers early in a stream while people are paying attention or in a stream people will actively watch (like a collab or an action heavy game stream).

>>25457813
>>25458269
Numbers are even now, but yeah, I got her stream in the background

>>25458123
her viewers are too lazy even to click the polls

>>25458020
What? You don't believe that a solo vtuber can get 100k viewers playing the same game 4 streams in a row when the rest of her company can barely get past 8k on a good day and never has any more than 70k people watching across ALL their 170+ vtubers at any point during the day?

You find it suspicious that Salome is the only vtuber in history not to have dropped off after her debut stream and managing to consistently get over three times Pekoras median CCV on every single stream even over a week after her debut?

You're scratching your noggin over Salome having three times as many viewers for her monetisation than Kronii but only getting two thirds of the number of superchats?

You're humming and hawing over the fact Salome has 90k viewers on every stream but less unique users in her chat than Kobo?

You're thinking about how Salomes viewers don't detract from the viewers on any other Nijisanji stream and don't ever go watch other streams after Salome ends and that her viewerbase simply manifests then disappears without a trace?

>>25458276
Yeah right. And this thread really has severe numberrot, 10k ccv average is already fucking huge for any personal channel to pull off.

>>25458335
Is there any actual reason people think IRyS is getting a redesign other than wishful thinking? has she said anything to imply that?

>5.7k watching
>6k poll votes at 20mins
Sana pls

>>25458241
She’s technically even higher than them because youtube kneecaps viewers. Granted they have way more sustainability given they stream long hours, but it’s just absurd levels for what most people still can’t tell where exactly the viewers are even coming from.

>>25458276
XQC maybe but he pissed off his fans by gambling his fortune away.
Asmon is about to get around 400k live viewers playing FFXIV next week.

>>25458409
Anon it's precisely because 10k is huge that a vtuber getting 90k+ average over 10 streams is highly suspicious. Particularly when only one talent in her agency manages a median over 20k. 90k is 3D live big concert level numbers for established vtubers with large fanbases. Hitting it stream after stream playing Resident Evil simply is not possible, no matter what level of hype she has.

>>25458335
>HoloX dominates Council across the board
hmm I wonder why they would put resources towards them

>>25458415
She has never ever ever made any indication that she’s getting a redesign. Is it happening? We don’t know, but anyone saying it’s the reason is just pulling shit out of their ass. Until cover or IRyS says anything, it’s free game for fans to be frustrated and upset over the situation

>>25458415
There have been no hints whatsoever about a redisign, it's pure cope at this point.

>>25458415
Nah it's a cope since she already said in a stream that she would probably get a new outfit next year

>>25458407
Honestly, the thing that makes me feel the most suspicious was the fact that there was almost no overlap with flesh streamers like Jun, Kore, or Apex gameplay. That basically implies that the viewers of her streams don't watch anything else, not just of Vtuber content but of online content in general

>>25458514
I missed the gamba drama, did some viewers actually leave from this? Last time I watched the juicer he had """Only""" 60k during the elden ring tournament
Also asmon was like 400k during the trial, crazy shit

>>25458415
>>25458576
can't lie bros, I was looking for a haachama clip and this popped up for some reason, didn't watch it but saw the title and giggled to myself

>>25458597
So for the numbers to work she needs to be pulling at least 40k viewers who don't watch any other live content on Youtube at all to every stream. This is questionable

>>25458611
I can't be sure how many won't watch at all or just don't want to watch him gambling but his gambling streams aren't a buff like it is for other people.

>>25458407
anon this is as painful as the EN likes cope
salami's viewers aren't the normal vtuber crowd so they have different interactions

>>25458415
Nothing as far as I'm aware, but that's the exact reason why people suspect a re-design, Irys having nothing for so long is actually depressing and people want her to get a moment in the spotlight, she's been releasing songs constantly but has no way to advertise her originals if they're not backed by something like a new outfit or 3D announcement to put her hard work in the spotlight. Yes, even to the point that the reddit thread got locked down due to speculation and harsh criticism, but at the end or the day, Irys is the one that knows her situation better than anyone, so I'd like to assume she's getting something done to fix that.

>>25458708
Yeah, so you wouldn't be suspicious at all if Hololive debuted a new EN generation and they all gained consistent newfag viewership on par with Ludwig right? He's not even xQc tier, that's not strange at all right?

>>25458574
Even Gura at her peak only gets 40-60k per streams and that's already a lot. 2022 when the fad is almost over, some streamer gets 90k for almost all of her streams.

>>25458708
She has an audience of tourists who never watch any other vtuber but just happen to be so invested they'll turn up en masse to her playing Resident Evil 4 streams in a row.

>>25458686
She would need like 40k "mystery viewers" as a core and the rest can be explained by regular Niji fans, tourists, and hype chasers. Nothing can really explain the complete lack of dropoff though, that's just not a thing that happens.

Why are youse biting bait again when SEAniggers are waking up

>>25458781
No, at least entertain the idea. Maybe the fad isn't over, maybe this is a new wave. Maybe new Vtubers can discover an audience of 50k+ within already saturated markets through memes. Believe anon, just believe

>>25458727
It's a good thing the thread went lockdown, like that last time Cover screwed up Gura's new outfit's rigging issue hard (and again with Anya), they finally get someone else to do the rigging.

>>25458782
Yeah I'll be honest what's odd about it is the consistency. A 90k floor? I really haven't gotten a real answer for what the fuck is so entertaining about her to justify this other than
>to be honest you really need to have a high iq to understand her several layers of JP puns
Like shit, Nijisanji has 200 talents, Hololive has 60, assorted indies and shit number in the thousands. But a vtuber literally called "congrats for 1 million, Salome" is bullrushing to 1 million and getting a 90k+ floor for 1 hour streams at midnight? You can't tell me this shit isn't eyebrow raising.

>>25458863

>niggas trying to bait HoloX, IRyS drama at global
>thread devolves to Mori and Kiara shitflinging

>>25458984
This is neither /hlgg2/, /nijiEN2/ or /hlg2/, anon.

>>25458925
Skepticism is cope though. Obviously you should just accept everything you see at face value no matter how implausible.

>>25458984
Globalfags going to globalfag. Both Mori and Kiara suck

Sanners at the top at vrabi. That's new

10 mins until big MC Collab, hoping Sana doesn't get affected too much

Has Sana already made the announcement?

>>25459102
Is it? She's sometimes streamed in dogshit EU hours and then there just wasn't literally anyone to compete.

>>25458415
no she has said nothing. It's the only thing people can cope with since any other route will result in cove playing favorites.
irys is in japan, doesn't have any genmates so should have 3d

Gonna watch Pomu, let me know what the Sana announcement was since she's taking her time.

Am I the only person that really believes it's worth holding out how the Vtuber market isn't actually oversaturated yet, that it's actually possible for shit like Salome to happen in EN? I want to believe.

>>25458415
mostly because her situation seems very similar to nene's. The reason nothing would be said is because the need for a redesign implies redjuice fucked up, so they can't announce it until it it done with in order for him to save face.

>>25458781
>2022 when the fad is almost over
I also heard that in 2018

>>25458781
To be fair, while I think Salome numbers are bull, there was the gura karaoke stream at the beginning that had more people watching than the capacity of Nou Camp.

>>25458407
none of her vods have gotten culled, it's not bots, just accept it

>>25459173
dyrbi

>>25459189
>2018
That's more like retarded super old fags coping about how Mito changed meta

>>25459173
You're just setting yourself up for disappointment. Kept your expectations low and you'll be pleasantly surprised when something good happens.

Can anyone find the correlation between Salome's SC payers and other vtuber's chat/SC?

>>25459180
I mean Nene's outfit was literally offensive to Hololive's audience and originally meant to appeal to a now dead market. That was an emergency situation that was actively hobbling her. IRyS situation is more of an inconvenience.

updated the retention numbers

>>25459173
Let's first aim for "someone with Gura's current CCV". Kronii was like, 70% there once upon a time.

>>25459360
It was CN based right? Don't really blame them for changing it on that area

>>25458580
there are no hints that they are doing this 'just because' either. model update is the simplest explanation that doesn't involve willing malice. They gain nothing by just 'skipping her' for no reason, especially when they did have plenty of time to make a functional 3d/outfits along with the others, not like she pulls in less than Sana so 'muh popularity' doesn't explain it. Its very possible she is the one who pushed for a model update too in the first place, so in a way she has some of the blame for the situation, of course she won't say that and shouldn't say that.

>>25459262
What was 2018 even like for vtubing streams? Did anons naked dogeza to 10k ccv?

>>25459417
This is a perfectly normal retention curve, it's those "mystery viewers" that don't chat or interact in any way that don't ever disappear.

>>25459222
Youtube culls at random and it fails its basic function of actually removing bots, this is the only explanation that makes logical sense. It might be wrong, but the real answer is probably something incomprehensible to humans

>>25459262
No there was actually legitimate (for a while) discussion about vtubers being on their way out back then, especially going into 2019. It's been on repeat ever since.

>>25458727
The theory fails because she basically had a NY outfit along with Council but decided to refuse it for various reasons

>>25459447
Yeah it was a chink outfit. Even Nene's "home planet" is named some shit like Tao Tao. She got the worst fucking luck imaginable.

>>25459528
>but decided to refuse it
more like there wasn't any outfit in the first place

>>25459417
>300 Chatters who have been in all RE 7 Streams
How many of those were /#/?

>>25459528
>I made this up

>>25459522
I know that so many vtuber drama on 2019...

>>25459522
Maybe the reason people refuse to believe Salome's numbers is actually catastrophized coping from anons secretly hoping Vtubing dies?

>>25459528
Irys seems like a very difficult person to work with desu, she seems like a bit of a diva

>>25459678
Or because they defy belief.

>>25459737
Well yes. The numbers will defy belief, if your belief is that Vtubing is at a dead end.

>>25459558
One of the things Botan was advertising about herself on debut is that she could speak a little mandarin and was actively studying language. Knowing how she is, she was probably genuinely putting a fair amount of effort into that.

Pomu 5k (Raided by Finana and Selen collab stream).

>>25459603
Not how I interpreted her comments

>>25459610
there's not even 200 ips for /#/ on average
probably real fan of ojou biohazard

>>25459528
She said that she wish to have an outfit next year, stop coping

>>25459792
they actually waited all that time just to raid her?
man they really are numberfags on the insde.

>>25459792
Is she beating Sana right now?

>>25459417
So obviously it's not the same people showing up to every stream, so for Salome to maintain a 90k+ CCV she needs to be getting around 20-40k brand new viewers to every stream. Or in other words she needs to be getting a Pekora or Kuzuha level CCV entirely from people who don't usually watch vtubers 7 times in a row, and the overlap between those 20-40k new viewers needs to be less than 20% between streams. That's absurd.

I have a favor to ask data bro, are you able to show the CCV for Myth, HoloX and Salome so we can see exactly how much Salome stands out in terms of viewer retention after debut?

>>25459708
There is literally nothing to suggest this. Stop being a schizo.
Suisei is known for being very hard to work with/annoying, and has openly talked about the shit she gives management and pressures them to get it done. And it gets done. IryS has never said anything that insinuates that and if anything it’s the opposite, she seems way more emotional and depressed that nothing is being done, or done on time.

Whats stopping the holos from just raiding each other in a continuous chain all the way from EN hours to JP hours and back again? Is it ego? Drama? Or is it just pointless because of language barriers?

>>25459801
well, it's what, 4-5 months later?
and no irys outfit

>>25459779
Or if you believe that they're very weird.

>>25459892
Yeah by like 200.

>>25460003
Permission autism

>>25459225
First unarchived, and the hype was already built up from her super 'a' and plastic love debut.

>>25459189
2018 was the starting point, but at that time, 1-2k was already an achievement. The fad isn't over at that time yet.

>>25459875
>they really are numberfags on the insde.

Well she's doing a Karaoke so maybe that's not the case. Yugo is doing one for his Birthday later so there's that.

>>25460007
If she wants a full redo I wouldn't expect it to happen quickly

>>25460057
I'll take it. Pomu Wins!

>>25459920
i can try holox debut. endengumi debut might be a better comparison
myth debut is too far back and wouldn't really make sense for comparison

>>25459225
didn't gura get fucking shadowbanned after 120k~

>>25459991
So it's the opposite then, she's too nice and the most she can do is be passive aggressive like in her recent tweet asking for a sample of her own merch

>>25460003
Gaps in streams, laziness, personal disinterest in the concept, not wanting to seem concerned about numbers, mismatch between certain types of stream (sending a bunch of JP viewers to an Indonesian stream for example) or streams not being the appropriate type to be raided.

>>25460118
HoloX, specifically Chloe who had the biggest surge iirc, would be valuable data for comparison

>>25460127
It's really goddamn bizarre how much the algorithm has it out for popular vtubers

>>25459991
Suisei is an alpha female. Very assertive. More Holos need to either put pressure on management or do what Mori does which is do everything themselves to get shit done. Hololive managers honestly sound pretty incompetent and bad at their jobs from what we see spoken about them, between Lamys old manager telling her that she wouldn't fit in with the other Holomems and Holos crying because managers refuse to even try to fulfil requests because it would be too much of a pain in the ass.

>>25460101
i mean finana and selen they draged that collab and decided to ended when pomu started. pomu also delayed for like 1hr so obviously they were planning to funnel her from the beggining.

>amegura minecraft
>sub 20k

>>25460008
Miracles can happen anon. Just have faith in the growing market, and EN3 can call be 40k+ streamers

>>25460118
>myth debut is too far back and wouldn't really make sense for comparison
Myth had explosive, unprecedented (to that point) growth as well. It makes sense as far as comparing data between vtubers who became viral social media phenomenons.

What was Sana's announcement? Is it important?

>>25460397
>5m combined subs
>sub 20k
Embarassing. Meanwhile 800k subs Salome solo 90k ccv every day

>>25460508
hasnt said it yet still making a cake.

>>25460415
>Miracles can happen anon
IPO scams are far more believable.

>>25460508
Either 3d or permanent break

>>25460433
>Makes Sense
Their data is pointless since we've been through major # arcs due to changes in the algorithm and YT mechanics

>>25460568
But they aren't as fun

OK, PICTURE THIS

5 MORE NIJIEN

HUNDREDS OF CELEBRATIONS!

>>25460579
Most likely it's an original song

>>25460602
And an even more diluted viewer pool

>>25460602
after the lukewarm noctyx debut i dont think we wil get another luxiem.

>>25460582
I don't see how anything that has changed would affect comparisons between viewer retention during their first 7-8 streams. Regardless of whether 10% or 50% of viewers get culled, percentage decreases are proportional and can be compared validly over time.

>>25460601
My beliefs are not based around fun.

>>25460582
It would help us understand those very changes

>>25460739
Maybe they should be. Maybe believing in whatever makes you happier will improve your over all quality of life. Maybe believing in things that aren't fun is what's been holding you back all along

>>25460602
Nijien actually poached all of vshojo gen 2 and thats why vshojo has not announced them yet.

>>25460701
Acceleration does not end.

>>25460849
lel

>>25460397
Give it an hour. They'll reach 20k.

>>25460849
To be honest can Vshojo even compete with male vshojo? It feels like they lost their niche when the male coomtubers will not stfu about bussies and bottoms/tops, even in their stream titles. They also use POG more than even the twitch thots

>>25460568
Good thing SEAs hasn't woken up to shit on this thread yet but yeah, the subsequent worm graphs leading to a Luxiem's numbers, niji 3D debut and now Salome all had me thinking that it ties to the IPO when everything was fine before April. After the fiscal year, they're probably using the money as an marketing investment, when botting/viewfarming is often seen as shameful in the stream community and for sponsors. I still remember how Niji gets this numbers (pic rel) when they could've bot it like they did to tower of something or that dbd mobile app sponsorship but realize that all the bots were paid for Salome.

>>25460836
Maybe, Fauna.

>>25461000
Shoto has the market cornered on male fagtubers on twitch.

>>25461023
Pic

>holokeks

wow..
Kobo 8 hour valorant stream VOD...
402k get..

>>25461232
impressive

>>25461172
No argument

Why is Salome so popular?

>>25452419
Kobo is the cutest child I've ever seen in my life.

>>25461289
Eeeh, for 8 hours its very in line with everything else she did. But that's because her VODs are always impressive, this one in particular just isn't extra impressive.

>>25461232
Kobo tied with Risu, should pass Aki tomorrow. Then a small gap until reaching Mel and Kronii. Then a big jump to reach Laplus.

>>25461374
You're starting off with a flawed premise.

This doesn't sit well with me, not gonna lie. Partiality is the One THING we hololive fans do not condone. In past the 3d always happened based on seniority, now it seems it's based on popularity. I'm disappointed.

>>25461486
>averages 90k CCV per stream
>breaking sub gain records
>top 5 most subs in Niji
What part of “Salome is popular” is flawed

>gura en gold but no one is talking about her

>>25461662
We can't let Holooks have the 3d nuclear codes fellow hololivers

Koyori's numbers are pretty weak tonight. Wonder if it's because of the timeslot.

>>25460115
Not even with raids.

>>25461374
>all of her stream length is within an hour or over slightly.
>She doesn't follow anyone in Twitter except the nijisanji channel
>She does not like anything in Twitter, nor reply.
>Absurd amount of viewers, even japs doesn't even know why.
>ridiculous name

I'd say there's a bit scheming happening behind the scenes kek. IPO scam maybe to attract big investors once they go public? So they resort to 1hr long botting (Because her viewers don't funnel). Anyways, this is just a rrat theory.

>>25461662
IRyS isn't even unpopular. it's pure branch discrimination OR there really is something fucked with with her model and Redjuice behind the scenes, but even if it's the case they've known about it since January at the latest and have had half a year to get a replacement artist.

>>25461374
No Niji branding. No Niji logo on her channel, no mention of Niji on her about page only a link to an any color legal notice.

She's managed to escape Nijisanjis terrible reputation.

>>25461797
Sana vs NijiEN is a hilarious joke, but Selen will probably finally beat her this month.

>>25461780
Yakuza #4, Subaru overlapping and no EOP tourists because they are watching EN

>>25461402
bruh..
no one gonna loop 8 hours stream..

>>25461871
She does have a birthday coming up, that might save her.

>>25461856
Since HoloX debuted, I had the feeling that Hololive are putting much more effort in them than EN or ID, they have new outfits month after debuting, while EN had to wait almost a year, they debuted the new years outfit at the same time! and now they get the 3D before even Irys or ID gen2? It doesn't have to be with HoloX members, but I feel its not fair. I mean, Myth didn't even have a proper debut yet.

>>25461871
>but Selen will probably finally beat her this month.
what makes you say that?

>>25461662
>popularity
Then it should be Laplus or Chloe 3D first.

>>25461968
Japan is still closed so if you're making that argument you're just concern trolling in bad faith.

>>25462034
Irys is IN Japan retard. Feel like the company is purposely putting EN and ID into lower priority and favour JP more. Is like favouring your own kind ppl more than the others.

>>25461740
>Sub 20k stream

>>25458984
shows that nijiniggers cant do shit against holoautists in their own thread

>>25461907
Don't reply to me if you don't understand basic VOD numberfagging. 8 hour streams means huge viewer churn. See King for a direct Apex example.

>>25461981
She's been breaking 5k pretty easily, whereas Sana today only got about 6k with actual NA solo slot for a bit+ announcement.

>>25462034
Holy cope. Just accept that Hololive doesn't give a shit about their side branches because they are failures and a waste of investment

>>25461968
None of the side branch have worked hard enough to deserve anything. They should be glad that Cover even gives them crumbs

>>25462063
And then people shitpost about “main branch vs side branch” like gee, maybe when you give the main branch 20x the opportunities and promotions while also providing them with resources to help advance their careers, MAYBE it results in more success compared to the branches that have to work with scraps.

>>25461968
>while EN had to wait almost a year
You mean Myth. Council didn't have to wait.
>Myth didn't even have a proper debut yet
They're not going to deprive HoloX just to wait for Myth.

>>25462121
Look at this guy. Talk big but I bet you are too much of a pussy to actually send a superchat to IRyS or something and say that. Faggot Nijinigger.

>>25462098
nah, just like enna she will slip.

>>25460508
>>25460579
Who knows, but her birthday is in less than 2 weeks.

>>25462166
HoloEN hasn't proven themselves yet. All they've shown is how lazy and creatively bankrupt they are.
HoloID in the other hand has opened up a new market for Hololive and deserve more.

>>25462063
You're the one pointlessly bringing up "no proper Myth debut" and ID2 like a fucking retard. Stick to IRyS and you have a point, anything else and you're just trolling.

>>25462098
>She's been breaking 5k pretty easily, whereas Sana today only got about 6k with actual NA solo slot for a bit+ announcement.

Sana will only stream 5 times this month, including her birthday and will end with a 6k median.

>>25462063
I'm pretty dissapointed to Cover what's happening to Irys, no alt outfit and no 3D. She's supposed to be the VSinger "if that title still holds something significant". I can understand why ID 2 and EN 2 need to wait. But Irys is in Japan, why she haven't receive anything yet? HoloX got a new year outfit after a month, but Irys have to make do with a cut out. During 3D colab she is either cut out or in frame, what's up with that? Like seriously why this is happening to her? It feels unfair for her.

>>25462286
Kek

>>25461374
Salome is popular because she discovered an entirely new audience that no one else had reached within the JP market, people who neither watched Vtubers or any flesh streamers, with zero interest in any other content besides hers.

This conclusion is based on the evidence of how her viewer demographics look, from graphs posted within this thread, assuming they're actually legitimate. If we take this at face value, then clearly EN3 can do the same thing and easily surpass flesh streamers with 40k regular CCV, without leaching any viewers from their senpais.

salome vs iroha 3D stream
money on salome, how about u /#/ bros?

>>25462321
SEAchama...

>>25462286
Sadly I agree. ID for some reason seem a LOT more enthusiastic about growing Hololive than EN who largely seem to just want to slack off and do endless streams with open VC so they can chat among themselves rather than doing anything interesting or new to draw in more viewers.

>>25462318
Mori is also in Japan so your the one trolling stupid nijinigger

I'm trying to guess which ones of you are purposefully ignoring that Mori had a solo 3D debut and how which ones of you are dumbasses.

>>25461740
>en gold

>>25462368
iroha

It's been two years and /hlg/ still hold a grudge? Or are these posts just from falseglaggers?

>>25462368
If Salome is losing, she'll just activate more bots

>>25462368
Unless it's an utawaku, she won't bet ANY HoloX 3d debut

>>25462319
Selen will get banned for streaming House Party today and will get a comeback buff to finally defeat Sana

>>25461871
Half hoping she does, mostly cuss Selen's been grinding for it

>>25462346
I *could* become a vtuber tomorrow and get 90k views too. I probably won't, but I could.

Is it just me or has holoX been overly promoted since debut?

Looks like Gura reached her non funnel peak. Bae will take some viewers too, but maybe Subaru/Sana can funnel enough back in to compensate.

>>25462391
>>25462394
Please that is just Irytocrats coping and seething that they're oshi is being treated shit for being shit in getting numbers

>>25462346
Ah yes the normalfags who don't watch any online content demographic, well known for their love of anime ojou-sama type characters.

Did any of you ask IRyS for her opinion before white knighting for her?

>>25461815
>does not like anything on twitter
She retweets plenty of fanarts
>muh ipo scam
>no company tag in stream
>barely mentions anything niji related
>no stream tag
>one line advertising Niji Apex at the end of yesterday stream
>basically an indie
You are aiming for gold in mental gymnastic don't you

>>25462368
Iroha, easily

>>25462447
Don't let your dreams be dreams, anon. Become the next xQc today

>>25462391
Mori already did her 3D debut.

Friendly reminder that Omegay is still around. Xe just stopped tweeting. It's hard to be motivated when company takes xis side

>>25462485
What's the point? She won't say what she really thinks outside of a patreon stream

>>25462485
>Asking a woman for her opinion
No I don't think I will

>>25461856
its not as simple as just getting a replacement artist, the design of Irys is also Redjuice' ip, so he has a say in who can do what with it. They probably need to wait a set amount of time before they can even do anything with it, likely until their contract with redjuice runs out (presumably 1 year). This is assuming Redjuice is unwilling or unable to update the art.

Gura and Ame just admit on stream that what they are doing is cringe.

>>25462368
Anyone betting on Iroha is downright stupid, Cover has pissed off the EN audience for good with their favouritism and you can bet your ass all of holoX's 3D debuts are going to underperform.

>>25462485
Yeah I did, after having sex with her, she said it's cool.

Is Redjuice an asshole? What's the rrat on this guy

>>25462573
It's the right choice as shown by Salome. Only the JP audience matter since they actually watch streams

>>25462555
They almost certainly purchase the full IP rights when they commission a vtuber design.

>>25462573

>>25462555
The art is fine. If anything Irys design has more detail and is better drawn than most other Hololive members.

OHNONONONO HOLOKEKS
https://youtu.be/jwZxXZIjIOU

>>25462660
>t. unculled toxic japanese audience is better than an accepting and caring EN audience
try to hide yourself better last samurai

who's this crybaby whining about holox on cooldown

>>25462573
Not to mention Western audiences have gotten bored of Hololive and their toxic idol culture

>>25462660
The funny thing is that Salome EN clips have been getting more views than HoloJP clips. Not even big clippers like Sushi and Vtuber Tengoku can match that viewership anymore.

>>25462743
irys herself

These trannies are unironically cringe

>>25462733
>Caring EN audience
Maybe say that when they actually start watching streams and donate

>>25462368
gen 5 all got within the 90k+ range, HoloX will certainly get 100k+, so I'm going with Iroha depending on day.

>>25462696
Riku, please save this child from Yagoo!

It's kind of astonishing how fast the thread goes to shit the instant SEAfags show up. You can tell its them because they use exactly the same bait every time too, and it comes all at once

I really fucking hate the nijinigger that spams insane schizo bullshit about nijisanji on cooldown. I should have known he'd move on to Salome.

>>25462547
>spoiler
That's spicy

>>25462751
People still clip Hololive? YIKES
but I guess parasocial faggots need their fix.
You’d think people have learned how bad a company Holo is after forcing Coco and Rushia to graduate because “muh idol culture”

>>25462826
gen 5 is a failure but holox viewership will be heavily impacted by cover's decision to prioritize them through no fault of their own, fans are upset and even JOPs are asking why cover is so unfair on Twitter

comfy hours are over, SEAkids are waking up, see you in 15h as usual, love you real numberchads <3

>>25462573
Nijiseethe.

>>25462696
Based. Making algo associations with vtubers that are most like Salami so they will find Hololive.

>>25462697
The art is fine on paper, on a live2d vtuber the face is a disgrace.

>>25462368
Salome probably just from the fact she mysteriously gets more viewers whenever she needs to. Remember when she got beat by Miko one day and managed to get an extra 20k viewers for her next stream to just beat Miko by a nose?

Remember, don't respond to bait.
I bet it's those Pignoys again

>>25462906
HoloX are gonna do fine. But seriously, when even JOPs are questioning things then you know something is messed up

>>25462753
You're right they need a new flavor of toxicity like Nijisanji where talents are bullied out by their peers.

>>25462751
What even is the highest viewed Salome EN clip?

Since Nijisanji is beating Hololive in viewership, I thought the baits would turn to Nijisanji, but somehow Hololive still has the bulk of the baits.

>25462906
>25463033
Transparent samefagging.

>>25462906
>fans are upset and even JOPs are asking why cover is so unfair on Twitter
you mean like the five fags with one like including that one dude that believes that it's happening because cover it's jealous that en is successful while not being japanese or some stupid bullshit like that

>>25462751
proof next thread?

SEAkids never provide actual data or create actual arguments to support their statements, it is just nonstop continuous samefagging and insults on cooldown. All posts from this point on until that behavior ends can be considered worthless shitposting.

>>25463140
hololive board, there aren't really more than a few niji fans here, the rest are shitposters. The board itself lives and dies with Hololive.

>>25462982
You can take a screenshot of her stream and her face looks really similar to Europa in FGO. There's no real problem unless you just don't like his style

>>25463152
>JOPs voicing displeasure on twitter as it happened on IRyS tag
>3D announcement literally locked on reddit
People are frustrated on all ends. Just accept it

>>25463152
>one dude that believes that it's happening because cover it's jealous that en is successful while not being japanese
If you knew anything about Japanese companies you'd know that is actually right, I'll take the word of an actual Japanese person over you. Japanese companies are xenophobic and have always tried to fuck over their more successful non-Japanese branches, see: Nintendo and Sony, it took Playstation moving their HQ to California to actually get fairness and parity in treatment commensurate to their success.

Is this a SEAtocrats seething about the 3D? Irys is just shit in getting numbers that's why she's treated like a shit, no need to shit on others

>>25463083
Real answer, this >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BecGnh5Lq7o
150k views after a week, kind of decent, but not viral

>>25463281
you can take all the screenshots you want, but the fact is it doesn't translate well to a moving live2d model.

>>25463140
Nijisanji isn't 210 Salomes. If it ever got that lopsided, and people started actually watching Nijis, then yes the baits would shift.

>>25463140
>Since Nijisanji is beating Hololive in viewership
Salome is not even close to carrying the gigantic pile of shitters that is Nijisanji

>>25463374
Explain why Ollie, Kronii, Mumei, Fauna and Baelz aren't getting their 3Ds before Iroha despite having better numbers

>>25463360
This is why no one likes ENsharts. Cover opening the EN branch was their worst mistake.

>>25463360
It'll die down in a couple of days and there wasn't even that many tweets about it

>>25463535
>muh ENsharts
>when even JOPs were attacking Cover over the unfairness

>>25463521
Fuck, forget Iroha. Fucking Koyori's numbers alone make popularity a dead argument

>>25463437
That means Hololive would be the underdog again, which feels much better than what it is right now.

>>25463574
If you're going to lie, first thing you should do is convince yourself of the lie.