/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>25420523
>Okay. Who the fuck are the viewers at this point?
viewbots

>>25420523
Anime fans. Kayfabe hook people that dont normally watch livestreamers

>Here’s your totally legitimate viewerbase, bro

>>25420523
People will say bots but honestly I think it's natural for her to get a fuckton of hype as a solo debut celebrating Nijisanji's brand with a very particular debut stream. A lot of viewers are natural going to check her out only because they heard about the pictures and want to be part of the hype.

They'll settle down eventually and leave then she'll settle into more reasonable levels of big viewership but I really don't think it's all bots.

>>25420596
Need statistics of viewers'nationality to prove that.

>>25420523
>only 20% overlap with Melissa graduation, THE tourist spot
I don't know why you'd say that, her graduation only had like 110k people watching. Koshien had double that, or even just NJU which also had far more, or the Chronoir live which also had a lot more

>>25420523
i mean if this is not proof that it's bots idk what to say.

>>25420565
If viewbots can talk, make fun, react a hell lot, making meme of the chuuba, are they even just bot anymore?

>>25420523
Me.
I only watch her

>>25420637
how does that even correlate?

>>25420523
The people that were watching Kizuna Ai in her heyday and stopped following vtubing when it was taken over by lazy and talentless ethots that just wanted to use an animated 2d model as a crutch to bait simps.

>>25420791
And you actually believe this?

>>25420706
There's no doubt that there are a lot of viewers, it's just that these viewbots inflate the total CCV, honestly the estimate would be around 30k-40k range but 100+k average CCV is up there in the upper echelon of overall streamers and majority if not all of her viewers are "JOPs" which should be a limited viewerbase.

>>25420808
How do you know how much of her viewership is JOPs?

Are the skeptics here so unfamiliar with the concept of things going viral?
Her hilarious debut and Japan map gag went insanely viral, normies who don't watch vtubers, who don't even watch anime, found her from the Twitter trends and tuned in.

>>25420523
all me

>>25420523
How does that work, where can you see how much of the audience overlaps? I thought not even vtubers could know that

>>25420596
Yeah, saber's VA is pretty popular by herself already

>>25420808
nice "estimate" retard
are you the same guy that makes cull cope formulas for holoen?
>just multiply the number by 10 lmao

beep boop
Shalom humans
i love her desu beep bop

>>25420832
Where's the proof of this?

>>25420865
You can get user IDs from chat messages.
Sure this doesn't count every viewer (people who don't chat are practically invisible) but you get a pretty big sample size for you to do statistics on

>>25420821
How do you know it's not? Or are you inferring that it's mostly coming from China? Then I would also agree.

>>25420913
Is that even legal?

>>25420706
you would have to analyze how many of the viewers interact in the chat and who just stay silent.
As for the interactions, yeah, bots talk and meme, especially porn bots, but not only. Currently 10 to 20% of posts in /pol/ are made by some fucking bot released there.

>>25420914
Check the trending hashtags during her debut stream and the Japanese map stream.
No other vtuber-related hashtags have trended that crazily before

>>25420805
What's there not to believe? The chuubas with the best kayfabe have always been the most popular even prior to this and Salome is head and shoulders above everyone else in terms of larping, she went viral and people that dropped vtubing are now coming back to it.

>>25420913
>Bargain bin discount
>Still full stock
Salami.......

>>25420906
Then do you have anything to add to justify her views or otherwise? This is anyhow a discussion of OPs claim and not being a major faggot like you.

Salami is unironically the only chuuba I watch.

>>25420991
That's not what I asked. Where's the proof that it's people who never watched vtubers that are watching her every single day?
I've gone through some tweets of japanese twitter users trying to figure it out and their "normie" friends do not know her.

>>25420523
Ghost from Nanking

>>25421021
It’s not the chuuba; it’s the audience I’m doubting.

>>25420523
Have you checked crossovers of other big streams for control?

>>25421031
Do you have anything substantial to add to justify your claims of magic undetectable bots that Nijisanji somehow never used before?

>>25420523
How is this crossover thing calculated? She streams only for an hour so probably a lot of viewers can more easily watch her live

>>25420991
Twitter always have chinese bots on it. Gimme sum ting from 2ch or 5ch. Their reaction must be crazy if true

>>25421021
>The chuubas with the best kayfabe have always been the most popular even prior to this
Just the other day the reason she's popular was because hololive apparently ruined vtubing by reducing kayfabe to none but now I'm supposed to believe the top vtubers have always been keeping up a high level of kayfabe.
Why does the narrative keep changing?

>>25421087
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of going viral?

>>25420523
It's Riku with 80,000 smartfridges, isn't it...

>>25420523
I know vtubers and usually follow their adventures and dramas but never watch their full 6 hour streams, but with salome I've watched the truck and gta ones from start to finish

Seems like if /vt/ had existed when Mito debuted the numberfags would have gone insane

>>25421253
One /vyt/ Aifag did. He is still mad about nijiniggers to this day.

>>25420523

Chinese Tablet farms dont do free overtime.

>>25420523
Japanese normies, anime watchers, and returning vtuber fans.

Source: an unspecified, yet noticeably high amount of Japanese tweets that go something like "I never watched vtubers before, but Salome..." or "I haven't watched vtubers since the Four Heavenly Kings era, but Salome..."

>>25421411
Post some examples.

>>25420523
20% nijifags
30% tourists
50% bots
there you go

>>25420787
Her stats should show a large amount of viewers from Japan to start with , in accordance to her chat language. That is a good evidence to prove her growth.

>>25421430
Just ran a search for "v サロメ" and
https://twitter.com/meshiiiiiiiko/status/1532660326835322880
>サロメ嬢オススメされて初めてV見てハマったんです
>Salome-jou appeared in my recs and she's the first vtuber that I got into
https://twitter.com/nokoko_nk/status/1532657224396394496
>Vに興味なかった友人がサロメお姉様の配信を見てくれて、しかも相当ハマってた…すごく嬉しい
>A friend who wasn't much into vtubers watched Salome-oneesama's stream and loved it... I'm so happy
https://twitter.com/YuuKi_1924/status/1532651643459600385
>今までVは興味薄かったんだがサロメさんに嵌りつつある
>I wasn't very interested in vtubers until now, but I feel like I can get into Salome

All of these were posted within the last hour.

>>25421671
why are these sound like shills?

>>25421736

>>25421671
>buzzer

>>25421736
why are english so difficult

>>25421736
Because you can't even speak english right, obviously you must have some linguistic disability

>>25421467
all me

>>25421736
I mean if those direct translations showed up in an online customer review section for a product yeah my immediate thought would be bot
but given the language differences I don’t so much doubt that’s just an approximation of how japanese people talk

>>25421198
Nijiniggers always told me that nijis dont need kayfabe to be popular but suddenly now they say kayfabe is a godsend

>>25420523
it's because the majority of the audience are Bots, how is this still to be explained?

>>25421198
Their whole "it's people who liked oldschool vtubers and came back" explanation makes no sense anyway. Salome is barely a departure from the style of streaming the rest of Niji does (which is what killed the OG vtubers' edited short form content to begin with), she's just better at it

>>25421736
The guy with the friend is a unityfag who has Holos in his header.

>>25420523
isn't this just people in the chat? that's like 5% of total viewers

>>25421125
>>claims of magic undetectable bots that Nijisanji somehow never used before?
You serious? Most of the anomalies in CCV that we have observed so far were mostly from Nijisanji

>>25421736

Its likely fabricated. You can buy good reviews for games on metacritic or post leftist propaganda on pol. Riku or one of his licksputtles called up an agency and hey seeded positive feedback to fertilze the hashtag.

>>25420706
They're not talking though. Salome has less unique chatters than an average Kobo stream despite having over 10 times the CCV.

All Holocope tears has been absolutely delectable for the past few days.

>>25422013
It's a good enough sample size for what they're doing (measuring audience crossover between streams)

>>25420523

>>25422084
You think people on /vt/ know what statistical sampling is?

>>25420523
>>25422145
What do these charts look like for a typical Kuzuha or Pekora stream?

>>25422029
>Most of the anomalies in CCV
You mean the anomalies that only appear in Luxiem streams and can reasonably be explained as Chinese fans using VPNs?
The anomalies that don't appear in Salome's streams whatsoever?

How do you reconcile the idea that "Luxiem are botted because their graphs are sus" with the idea that "Salome is botted even though her graphs are pristine"?

>>25420523
It's all about money that invested in different platform using advertisement. Like come on, you can literally rigged the music charts when the label company pay every promoter company.

>>25422222
Kuzuha is mostly an Apex bro streamer, so his overlap is probably nonexistent with Holo and quite small with the rest of Niji outside of big tourist events

>>25420523
isnt it the same for every other popular nijisanji vtuber

>>25420523
>This doesn’t even feel like a vtuber at this point. The fandom don’t even follow vtubers like what

I have heard it compared to how Nintendo sold their NES by calling it an Entertainment System so as not to tie it to video games and the prior crash of 1983. Salome's fans don't see her as a vtuber and are not your usual vtuber fans. For lack of a better term, Salome is the very first 'anime streamer' in their eyes. All about how you market yourself.

>>25422402
I would be genuinely amazed if only 20% of any other liver's audience watched koshien

>>25421988

Nijisanji as a whole is a bumbling clowcircus. Look at the statistics. How likely is it that a company thats in this market for 5 years with over 200 talents somehow has less than a dozen 1 M channels under contract. A company with ties to Sony and China no less.

>>25422030
What even is the point of showing you proof when you're going to believe your own delusions anyway
If they were to use bots they would do it on Ranunculus first since much more was expected from academy

>>25422576
>The Hololive "1 million subs with average 3k viewers"

>>25422576
why didnt they just bot

>>25422610
This. None of holos 1 million subbed channels can break 10k viewers.

>>25422576
>spread your audience thin over 200 talents
>viewers only have so much time to watch their favourite few
>each one individually has less fans than talents from a competitor company with a comparatively tiny amount of internal competition
makes sense to me

>>25422610
What percentage of Nijisanji have a 3k average CCV?

>>25420523
Me and my 100.000 bot army

>explodes in popularity despite all odds, having found an entirely new audience
hmm, how suspicious

>>25422668
This only makes sense if you assume the people watching are just as tribal as the shitposters on this board though

>>25420917
So this data is based on chat ID? OP needs to learn how to label the table correctly.

>>25422750
>Indonesians
>an entirely new audience

Intern niggers kys

IPO Pump & Dump

IPO Pump & Dump

IPO Pump & Dump

IPO Pump & Dump

IPO Pump & Dump

Intern niggers why have you not killed your self

>>25422750
For numberniggers things are only natural when they happen to Hololive.
You see, when YouTube adds something to the algorithm and all HoloEN lose 20-30% of their audience it's "cull", but if it were to happen to Nijis it would be considered the undeniable proof of botting.

>>25422829
This is the Hololive board after all

>>25422576
Most of them do it as a hobby making nice side cash I'm jealous of them desu.

>>25423068
Yeah but for the company as a whole that's not a great mentality.

>>25423122
How do you undo such a mentality though without risking burnt bridges and a sizeable portion of your talent walking?

How long will it take for holobronies to just accept reality? Holy shit this is pathetic.

>>25423185
Idk I'm not a business expert. Maybe introduce a seperate system for people who want to take Vtubing more seriously, they'd be under more expectations to regularly stream and should try to gain new fans. Some thing like that I guess. But the company is still doing ok right now, I'm just saying it's not a great approach to have into perpetuity

>>25423122
Well they've massively slowed down because they reached diminishing returns and the old members cost them nothing to keep around.

>>25423122
It's always been their strategy: insert themselves between the streamer and the platform, collect rent, and if anyone makes it big off their own talent, the company is ready to swoop in and sign them to a record label, make them spam events, put merch in konbinis, etc
They really represent all the worst parts of corpos taking over a niche

>>25420523
>Who the fuck are the viewers at this point?
Its already been proven that she is getting botted

>>25421736
SEAnig alert

>>25420523
Have you actually compared this to all the other big vtubers in Nijisanji? Like do you the same thing with the same streams for the people who watch Kuzuha, Kenmochi, Kanae or whatever then see how different it looks. This might be completely normal for them.

>>25420706
Her chat is slower than "dead" ID streamers chat

>>25422661
>Gura
>Mori
>Kronii
>Korone
>Pekora
>Fubuki
>Marine
>Botan
>Nene
>Chloe
I'm not a Holofag but even I can tell that's a lie.

The part that doesnt make sense is how shes is pulling off numbers bigger than when there was a Pandemic era with everyone at home and numbers boosted by western audiences as well. Theres simply no bigger pool to be pulling from to get these kind of stats anymore in this situation at this time.Gen6 EN2 ID3 and the last few Ninjs didnt grab anywhere near this much so they arent diving into the pool of people that are regularly watching to get these numbers. You have to be getting an audience from somewhere else and even when the algorithm loved vtubers like Peko or Gura it didnt attract as massive a new audience as much as funnel people already heading that way into the infamous rabbit hole

>>25423648
I also forgot Kobo and Ollie when she was still starting out.

>>25423414
>No weird graphs
>No sub culls
>But it's "proven"
Who am I kidding? Bronies don't need evidence.
Just keep saying that over and over and it'll stick, my guy. It worked for "Nijifags made Aloe graduate" and "Luna was bullied out of Nijisanji."

>>25423707
Your next post will be "Nijisanji doesnt viewbot"

>>25423791
Damn, I must've missed this Salome stream.

>>25420898
Sabers VA would have some serious starpower from both casual anime fans and diehard fate fanatics
Still a bit weird her fanbase dont even take look at her coworkers but rather only her alone

>>25423849
Explain this one

>>25423939
Explain what?

>>25422955
Nah, more like holokeks are are just sore losers.

>>25423939
That beginning part is because of an oppsie on her side, her going offline abruptly when the stream was just starting which lead people think that it's one of her joke and then pull out. I know this because I tune into her stream from the start

>>25423939
hey I can cherrypick stuff too. Why'd her stream drop by 5k for a few minutes? Is she botted? Or maybe random drops happen all the time and you guys are retarded?

>>25424226
Holybot

>>25424102
>>25424226
Her totally "organic" "tourist" CCV of 90+k with 4.1k chat IDs that was able to amass 5M yen compared to streams 1/3 of hers? Sure, buddy

>>25420523
>Doesn’t have practically any holo overlap
>Barely has any Niji overlap (only 20% overlap with Melissa graduation, THE tourist spot??? Like what)
>Viewers don’t watch any of the popular vtubers
>Viewers barely overlap general tourist attractions (WWE, Startend, APEX)
>Okay. Who the fuck are the viewers at this point? This doesn’t even feel like a vtuber at this point. The fandom don’t even follow vtubers like what
Drama fans (coz Endoscopy)
Anime fans (coz Anime archetype)
Oh, and bots

smells of yakuza

>>25424396
How is that supposed to make any sense? Fucking Pomu in Nijisanji gets a 10th of the viewers of Gura and makes more superchat than her.

>>25423661
It certainly does feel like we're living in the biggest deal since 2020. Salome is shaking up the landscape and we're all still trying to figure out how and why a week later.

>>25424226
You don't get it man every Holonumber is legit man except when they get culled man they're clean man our girls are good girls man they'd never cheat man only Nijis cheat man you gotta understand man nobody likes Nijis man they can't go viral like our girls man it doesn't make sense man they gotta be botting man it's because of the IPO man Susan's bought man every tweeter who likes her is a shill man all the art she gets is AI-generated man it's the chinks man viewfarms man

>>25423661
I wish you faggots would stop speaking authoritative on this topic like you're actually experts in this subject. No one on /vt/ knows what the fuck they're talking about.

>>25420523
>IPO scam?
IPO scam

>>25420523
Salome is the first vtuber I actually watch since early 2021

>>25424440
>makes more superchat than her.
>source: the loudest voice in my head.
Here's actual data from Playboard, sorted by "Most Superchatted", "Worldwide", "Total".

>>25424635
Now compare them monthly for the last month and the month before.

>>25420523
People that were bored with pretty much all vtubing coming back into it because of her.

>>25424635
There's intellectual dishonesty and then there's pure fucking stupidity.

>>25424440
>>25424635
You just want to address the SC number since we could easily see smaller CCV get high SC but you don't want to address that along with the high CCV and chat IDs compared to 1/3 of hers?
And Gura is high subscriber count with mostly an average of 20+k CCV not 100+k average CCV than Salami

>>25424440
>gets a 10th of the viewers of Gura and makes more superchat than her.
>superchat
>Gura
Newfagchama...

>>25424702
we've been saying this whole time that salami's viewers are tourists, of course her superchats aren't going to break records

>>25424706
The point I am making is its perfectly reasonable for people with much larger viewerships to make lower amounts of superchat than people with far smaller viewerships. Gura is a primary example of this and nobody is saying her viewers must all be bots because of that.

>>25420832
The issue with going viral is that most nijifans don't watch her, most niji tourists don't watch her (Melissa graduation) and most holofans don't watch her. She somehow went viral outside the vtuber community but among the vtuber community there are barely any viewers who watch her.
Maybe OP or the guy who made the chart should compare her viewers to Jun or korekore streams

>>25424961
>most niji tourists don't watch her
There are over 200k nijitourists. Why the fuck would you use Melissa's graduation as a benchmark, and how do you know that Holotourists don't watch her? In the first place we're only talking about people who comment

>>25424961
numberfags don't provide any information that goes against what they've already decided is true, so that's not gonna happen

>>25424740
This would also potentially explain the slower chat that people like to harp about. If its tourists used to just watching youtube videos, they might be unaware or averse to participating in chat.

>>25420523
Wow this finally confirmed that they indeed using

well2 can't expect less from botsanji huh

>>25424396
How is it that Ina with her 60k+ viewer audience was only able to amass $3,791 for her outfit reveal compared to streams with 1/4 of her viewers that made more than her? HoloEN bots confirmed?

Just chiming in as a tourist myself, but if Desuwa's numbers were not from Niji or Holo overlap, and if it really does come from casual tourists and went viral, it should be one of the biggest trending topics in Japan until now. But I don't see anything. Usually when something goes viral with the general public, it's blown way out of proportion, like Bowsette. At least we know where Chloe's numbers come from. We don't know where Desuwa's numbers come from.

>>25424740
>Doesn’t have practically any holo overlap
>Barely has any Niji overlap (only 20% overlap with Melissa graduation, THE tourist spot??? Like what)
>Viewers don’t watch any of the popular vtubers
>Viewers barely overlap general tourist attractions (WWE, Startend, APEX)

"Tourists"
Melissa had tourists worth of 109+k CCV overlapping with Salami, Melissa ended hers ONLY 8k went over to Salami's "tourist" CCV, Salami stream ended 190+k people just went to sleep

>>25425132
Just going to cling on to SC? Don't want to address anything else because that's the only thing that you can compare to? We already know lower CCV can amass more SC, this were just examples of discrepancies

>>25425034
Retard. Their new year stream reached 180k with no overlap. Koshien reaches 200k. And yet Melissa's graduation had full overlap from Salome and other nijis and the total niji viewership was close to 300k

>>25425164
>how come nobody is talking about this
if you google her name in japanese and a ton of news articles about her pop up though

>>25425189
>this were just examples of discrepancies
Why is it always the ESLs that come up with these cringey conspiracy theory copes for anytime Nijisanji does good compared to Hololive.

>>25425189
are you trying to argue that every single tourist should have the exact same interests, and everyone who commented on meli's graduation should have immediately also gone to comment on salome playing resident evil?

>>25425353
cue that one map with countries by rates of schizophrenia

>>25425313
Yeah I've seen a few. The thing is, it's her sub count zooming past Chloe who was the fastest before her, when I don't think tourists could've caught on so fast. A few months later maybe but not this fast. The news articles I can see could've done good for her, but not in her debut. Unless Niji paid news outlets to advertise her, which I don't think happened.

>Holo member numbers suddenly blows up
>it's a natural thing
>Niji member numbers suddenly blows up
>it's sussy amogus ft. the chinks

>>25425549
Like I said, because we know where the Holo numbers come from. Salome has zero overlap, so where do they come from? I'm the tourist anon, not implying bots at all.

>>25418569
It seems like she has high viewer churn

>>25420808
You holofags really are pathetic.

>>25425609
I'll lay this out for you:
>She streams at the end of the work/school day
>She streams for barely 1 hour
>She purposefully doesn't overlap with many of the "main" nijitalents
It's...pretty obvious. You do know there's more than 100,000 people in the world, let alone Japan, right? Many people who watch hololive watches Nijisanji. Nijisanji is bigger in Japan, whereas Hololive has a bigger global reach. Many of the holo talents are also on break/reduced streaming. It's not difficult to put 2 and 2 together.

>>25425609
from japan, i think

>>25425609
I'm thinking it's those people who stopped watching vtubers altogether coming back just to watch simply her

>>25425609
This is starting to remind me of Silent Majority, Shy Tories and Nixon Democrats; a block of people who don't openly advertise themselves and their interests/views.

>>25425532
I feel like you're underestimating the viral power of having an insane debut. Leos had incredibly growth at the start with his first streams getting to over 1 million views, but it dropped off fast after people realized he's not as crazy as he seemed at first. Salome is consistently crazy so her hype has only just started dropping off a week later as the tourists get bored

>>25420523
People like me who only watch Salome because the anime season sucks.

>>25425609
The people who watch anime but don't watch Vtuber, unironically villainess yumejo, I have seen shitload of them, look at her tweet about women's cosmetic

>>25425706
>Nijisanji is bigger in Japan
I was with you until you told this obvious lie

>>25425814
Salome basically did what Coco did, insane debut ,and continuously crazy streams the first few months before the management crippled her

>>25425878
cope
seethe
dilate

>>25425878
Seems you're just someone that hates Nijisanji so I'll reiterate:
>Hololive has a bigger global reach
Making it a stronger brand
>Nijisanji is bigger in Japan
Making it more popular and well known. It's pretty obvious you're a holobronie, you don't need to get defensive as no one was shitting on hololive.

>>25425475

>>25425943
nijilie
nijicheat
nijisteal

>>25425353
Why is it always the nijifaggots that come up with these cringey tourists defence copes for anytime Nijisanji does bots.

>>25425883
Early 2020 Coco was insane, only Aqua could keep up with her. Pekora and Marine were snuffing Coco's exhaust fumes until management fucked things up.

>>25425878
Holo got more searches than Niji during the HoloX debut period, but other than that, Japan has consistently had more "interest"(as measured by Google) in Nijisanji than Hololive.

>>25426293
because nijifaggots are the only ones who regularly get botted

>>25426293
Cause it makes you mad :)

>>25425878
Dude, I'm a Hololive fan and even I know Niji is bigger in the homeland. Nothing wrong with admitting that since we curbstomp them on a global market.

>>25426464
>dude, I'm a Hololive fan
nice try nijinigger, nobody's falling for it

>>25424544
kek

>>25426328
>Google Trends
anon please, this is questionable even if you know how to use it properly

>>25427407
you can't say that while this thread is full of data from third party youtube analysis tools that only have a small fraction of the actual data

>>25427570
The OP image is from an autistic anon who scraped all of the chat data themselves, it's reliable

>>25427407
Hey, it's more reliable than basically every bit for "evidence" for any botting that wasn't on Millie or that Prism girl's streams, yet there's tons of people who unironically believe that botting is way more widespread.

>>25420523
It's pathetic she is only the Nijisanji JP liver I always see in my recommendations. Pathetic I see translated videos clips of her very often compared to her coworkers who get barely. Anyway I'm glad she is no Holo so the hype can die for good. You'll see translators wont ever bother to translate in a far future.

>>25427722
>few weeks ago bots literally getting vtubers channels banned
>durr there's no evidence that bots are widespread on youtube or twitch
fucking lmao

>>25427722
The viewbot people are just schizos
Google Trends is bad because they try to be helpful and automatically categorize topics, but this ends up randomly siloing results so the numbers you get are always wrong. Depending on how you enter your search terms you can make it show either company on top

>>25427722
>>yet there's tons of people who unironically believe that botting is way more widespread.
For only $11 from an anon in /#/ into Millie's stream
Luxiem graphs that resemble mountain ranges
Multiple streams with the same CCV bot behaviour

oh no holofags don't look the lines are wiggly

>>25428147
She literally stopped the stream for 3 minutes anon

>>25427779
you are pathetic

>>25428147
Ah, but you see, you posted a Holo.
Holos can do no wrong.
I hope you take this information with you and don't make this mistake again.
:)

>>25428147
the graph looks like a man lying on the ground with his mouth open, waiting for ringo

>>25428409
yeah, me

I kneel to the new queen of vtubers

>>25428700

>>25428921
Not a botcoping Holofag, but this is pretty common for Apex.
It's people tuning in just for the end of the match.

Who is using bots now?

>b-but what about <insert other company that has had multiple botting incidents>
glad you faggots are at least admitting to it now

>>25428921
Newfagchama that's common for an APEX stream

>>25420523
You're so close to critical thought. I'm rooting for you!

>>25429580
Well, if everyone's botting, then what's the point of botting accusations?

>>25429368
>>Miko chat set to subscribers only
Faggot

>>25420523
oh no no shill bros i dont feel so good

>>25425878 This is not me btw.

>>25425706
>Many of the holo talents are also on break/reduced streaming.
But you just said Nijisanji is bigger in Japan, and I thought it was already established that she had little to no overlap with Holo viewers.

>>25425759
That may be the case. But then again, like with the Bowsette case, since she also hit the news, shouldn't she be one of Japan's largest trends right now? Again, sorry for using it, but like Bowsette was.

>>25425883
Yeah I was looking at some JP articles earlier like one anon said, and it says she displayed her colonoscopy photo? I guess that would perk people up, but with little to no overlap with both big YT agencies, where do the 'silent majority' get the info from? LINE?

>>25429368
Tourist anon here, I think it's easy to explain. Salome's vid has like what, 1.1 million more views, which means a lot more people watched the VOD and commented since they weren't there for the live. Kinda weak evidence for botting, if any.

>>25429730

>>25429790
>there are two vtubing agencies
lmao

>>25430197
Amongus where viewers jump from one stream to another
1 stream with severe drops, find something as severe as this

>>25430467
we've talked this point to death. shitty internet leading to scuffed streams, you can ask literally any nijifag and they'll tell you the offcollab was shit because it was nearly impossible to watch anything
>b-b-but those other streams in the same place were more stable
they rented two airbnbs and the other streams were in a completely different building
>shut up fag, wiggly line means bots, you can't argue with this
so salome, whose streams have no dips aside from a single cherrypicked connection drop that lasted two minutes, isn't botted? gotcha!

>>25430467
I'm pretty sure the brony narrative with Luxiem was that they were botted by kpop stans and chinks.
I don't believe that for a second, but assuming it's true, how did we go from that to "Nijisanji themselves are botting Salome"?

>>25430360
There two RELEVANT vtubing agencies, the rest are literal whos

>>25429830
only when Fubuki appeared, dishonest faggot

>>25420523
There is crossover, but the viewers are all culled on every other channel.

Who knew that a bunch of newfags taking shitposts on /jp/ at face value over 2 years ago would lead to highly intelligent threads like this

>>25430830
>literal whos
>thread is about bot numbers
the vtuber audience really is clinically braindead

>>25423648
All botted, especially the JPs. Hololive is not popular in Japan.

A single fact proves Salome is being botted. Nijisanji as a company rarely reaches 100k CCV across ALL their vtubers on any given night. Now they have one vtuber who pulls the same amount as the rest of the company COMBINED, while the rest of the Niji vtubers have not had their CCVs affected at all if they overlap. QED.

>>25420523
Japanese viewers

>>25434210
considering how fucking old the live streaming vtubers are now it's way more likely everyone watching salome has already seen the other nijis and are not interested in them.

>>25420523
They're bots. If you don't believe me you're literally retarded.

>>25420523
Vox bots doesnt shown.

>>25420523
>audiance

>>25434602
90% of /#/ regulars are seaniggers

>>25420706
They're the flesh and blood kind of bots.

>>25425706
Someone here finally has a brain.

Ngl some of the arguments for her using a bot seem kind of convincing without context. Then I reminded myself that this place is filled with schizos, and that “I don’t know, let’s wait a few weeks and see what her numbers are like then” is a valid answer too.

>>25428700
It's not bots you complete fucking retards about 30% of luxiem viewers are chinks on vpn. Actual bots get culled in 5minutes every single time.

>Noooooo hololive is not losing because they keep firing top streamers and having drama every week it's the bots!!!!

>>25434482
there aren't that many untapped eyeballs left in the stream viewer pool now that covid is over, everyone who doesn't already watch vtubers is against the entire idea