/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>25383960
>that isn't slightly suspicious for anybody on this board
Plenty of coping /#/fags have accused her of botting.

>>25383960
Cope seethe dilate

>>25383960
>niji JP
>special occassion
>ridiculous name that can only be seen as an april fool's joke
Easy 100k on debut, the rest she gained herself for being better than expectations

>>25383960
next big thing will be a new debut where she shows her cervix
3million subs in 2 days i tell you

>>25384060
/#/fags acuse anything that's not hololive of botting

>>25384178
If you mean hymen then yes, the true idol experience.

>>25383960
Holo get like 500k subs on debut and no one bats an eye.

>>25383960
>isn't slightly suspicious
No it's highly suspicious

>>25384060
>>25384182
I wonder where they get the idea from... projecting mayhaps?

>>25384277
It's quite ironic that the first "proof" they got of botting was when they themselves did it and immediately went
>YOU SEE??? IT IS REAL

>that isn't slightly suspicious for anybody on this board
It's just fucking tiring when a genuine confusion will only be answered by KEEP COPING/SEETHING HOLOBRONIES I watch both NijiJP and Holo ffs and IT'S BECAUSE SHE IS VERY ENTERTAINING YOU RETARDED EOP I do appreciate those that actually take their time to explain a bit about her
I will just wait and see what will happen a month after her debut

>>25384573
>genuine confusion
We have this thread every day, people already know why she got popular, they just want an excuse to post about it being suspicious

Is it so hard to believe she's just good? If you were a vtuber, I would put that on jealousy, but I doubt all the anons butthurt here have streamed even one time.
So why are you crying? I genuinely don't understand

>>25383960
BOTTING

>>25384573
Basically she's Gura for JOP

>>25383960
>and that isn't slightly suspicious for anybody on this board?
what do you mean? we know she's botted. if you compare her SC to view ratio it just doesn't make sense.

>>25384960
Does she even have SC activated yet?

>>25385272
>$0 SC
>100k ccv
see it's so obvious

>>25384573
why are ysing the spoiler tags like a retard? stop acting like an ape.

>>25383960
I came back to Vtubing only for her, i guess many others did the same.

>>25383960

If its too good to be true it probably isnt.

>>25383960
>How is it possible?
Ojou-sama, not ippanjin.

>>25384060
>>25384182
>>25384277
I'm confused. Aren't numberfags just supposed to like whoever has the highest numbers? You know, since according to them, numbers are supposed to be objective proof of quality and all that? Why do they show bias to Hololive even when their numbers are lower?

>>25383960
>NijiJP slowing down with people losing interest
>HoloJP lost top streamers and most of the old guard on break or barely streaming
>suddenly fun new one appears

It's not rocket science.

There are two kinds of morons. Those who believe bilibili numbers and those who think it's suspicious that someone is popular.

>>25383960
>oversaturated market
Yeah, oversaturated with shit

>>25385434
there's nothing objective about numbers now ever since the sara incident >>25384960 we realized how easy it is to bot a stream.

>>25385589
Time to make their general illegal then

Don't care, doesn't speak English.

>>25384262
>>25384267
>>25384809
>>25384878
>>25385434
>I'm confused. Aren't numberfags just supposed to like whoever has the highest numbers? You know, since according to them, numbers are supposed to be objective proof of quality and all that? Why do they show bias to Hololive even when their numbers are lower?
Because most, if not all numberfags are just narcissistic holobronies who want to circlejerk themselves to "prove" they are with the "superior" team. The fact that they always question anyone who is not holo but not the holos themselves when they're doing "well" is proof of this.

>>25385434
You have it the wrong way around. They're holotards, and they use numbers as an excuse to shitfling since hololive generally gets the biggest numbers. When someone else does well, their numberfaggotry gets revealed as an excuse as their all rush out to find a new reason to claim that person somehow doesn't count.

>>25385389
You came back for something new and shiny? People like you (the majority of her subs) will drop her for something else as fast as you all found her. Humans have a 2 week attention span. Watch the graphs.

How much in superchat does she get? That would be a easy way to proof if the views are real or not?

>>25386027
Not really, how would that be proof of her viewcount? Some fans spend much more and some spend far less. Overall Nijisanji female members get less superchats than the men, even if they're more popular

>>25385787
Nah, it's pretty much always full of seething nijiniggers. They act like twitter trannies, no sense of humor, just constant rage and aggression. Quite bizarre.

Gura with 4m subs cant reach 100k viewers on a live stream and her superchat venue is lower than fauna.........NO SUS AT ALL.

>>25383960
>oversaturated market
there's literally thousands of Japanese Vtubers, the scene has been around for nearly 10 years. Just because EOPs got bored with 10 Hololive vtubers after a year or two it doesn't mean it's dying by any means

>>25386027
We should look at SC frequency, not necessarily the amount. Nijisanji have many reasons to look like a good investment right now, so they might have to spend money to make money. Expect some huge donations from new channels created in the last 3 months with no message.

>>25386008
I came back for something interesting, the whole Gen4 eop pandering+EN/global thing put me off for a while.
I still check on hololive F.A.M.S group and a few indies from time to time

>>25386166
Here comes the "i-i-it's the nijiniggers!!!" projection-defense squad. And they say nijifans are rent free, KEK.

>>25385434
It was obvious to them ever since 2020 when Coco 3D debut numbers was natural to them but Koshien numbers sus and botted

>>25383960
she must be botting. Gura had the IT'S HER buff that let her millions of subs simply migrate over. theres no way this literal who from a black company is already legitimately over 800k

>>25383960
Because she's like the first vtuber in forever who actually plays a character.

>>25386102
Someone with 100k ccv would have a bigger ratio of people superchating than someone with 15k, or not?

>>25386027
>stream is one hour long
>not reading superchats at all
It's a meme stats. Even Kiara could go on months of 10-hours long superchat reading streams and mog Gura of all people

>>25383960
The difference is Salome is objectively entertaining and sticks to her character. Entertaining kayfabe will ALWAYS be an underserved market because it is harder to offer, and the supply is mostly twitch thots with anime avatars, which is a completely different kind of media.

>>25383960
She hasn't even reached 100% of her potential yet.

>>25386282
I get that but this woman hasn’t brought anything new other than quality entertainment from what I’ve seen. The formula, format and content is near identical to everyone else. The numbers don’t make sense. 30-50k CCV with 400k subs would be understandable, but not this.

>>25386404
No not neccessarily. There are far more factors to it than just viewcount

>>25386488
Never underestimate the draw of novelty even if it's just a different coat of paint.

>>25383960
Well for starters, she's actually entertaining, which can't be said for a lot of chuubas including the gen that came before her.
Now sure, La+ and Koyori from Holo are also entertaining, but then there's a second boost, which is the ojousama kayfabe. We haven't had a proper, relevant ojousama chuuba yet and especially not one that plays an exaggerated character. Chuubas have been getting lazy with their kayfabe recently, with some exceptions, so her playing it up is refreshing
She also got lucky, but luck is a part of the game and she wouldn't have kept her ccv if luck was all she had going for her

https://twitter.com/1000000lome/status/1532406223441915904?t=b3vsYLpi3_pAlVoIr8nJkg&s=19

Looks like she's gonna start making short videos?

>a literal nobody
wasn't there rrats that she's a massive seiyuu?
have people figured out who she really is? i think the mystery adds to the hype

>>25386612
"Chuubas have been getting lazy with their kayfabe recently"
/thread

>>25383960
for nips the market is not saturated yet their pokets are filled with parasocial money

>>25386008
Is this the best cope you can give? Telling others that they will stop being entertained by someone that they have expressed to enjoy already?
I am in the same boat as the other anon. I don't even browse /vt/, salome has been the only reason for me to browse and post here. I have checked out other vtubers, where I hoped they could be fun but never find them too enjoyable. I don't mind checking a random vid by gura every now and then but I don't bother even subscribing to her or anyone else. I have, however, subscribed to salome, cared to catch her live rather than happen upon checking her video list just to fill out my boredom. I don't do this oshi stuff but so far she has been the only vtuber I get genuine entertainment and fulfillment from watching.

>>25386702
No one has figured out who her PL / RM is.
Big or even small va rrat died when she went over an hour stream time twice now and when she streamed more than a week.

>>25386008
>from after debut recline to literal "two more weeks!"

>newfags think vtubers are not acting
lmfao meds please

>>25386730

Heres a metaphor for you.
You are a fly eating a steaming pile of warm shit.

>>25386730
She does the same fucking thing as everyone else, just a bit better whilst it’s all new and exciting. It will wear off. No new tech. No creative content. Just the same thing that’s been done for years, slightly improved. Her numbers make no sense. A fucking Niji too after them going public lmao.

>>25386723
How many vtubers are only by counting niji and holo jp? Like 150 between those 2? Now sum all the indies and small corpos and you literally end with thousands. And that's not satured for you?

>>25384809
Are you implying holobronies and nijiniggers in this site watch jp streams? Even clips at least?
roru
rumao even

>>25384573
>IT'S BECAUSE SHE IS VERY ENTERTAINING
She stole Hirasaka Mei's personality. If someone deserves high subs and views is Mei, not this low effort thing. It's Tsukino "La Goblina" Mito hype all over again.

>>25386612
oujosama is the most niche thing it wont give you 100k and even the most rp chuubas dont get those numbers

>>25387145
I don't get it.

>>25387306
>She does the same fucking thing as everyone else
I don't know, among all the other jp and en streamers none of them have done it for me, be it they were new or old. She has a very strong energy that I don't see in others.
>Her numbers make no sense.
Why do I give a shit about numbers when I am just enjoying her content? If you don't get it, that's fine. But you are trying to push your wishes into reality and onto others. You are being pathetic

>>25387522
Everyone assuming a stereotype is a thief in other words, mei included.

>>25383960
Who doesn't like the ojou-sama archtype. I think their hilarious.

>>25384143
I think I'm missing a joke with the name, why is it supposed to be ridiculous? Because it's long and has a number in it?

>>25388590
Nijisanji has a million subs and suddenly out of nowhere they release a chuuba with million in her name. So, everyone thought it was all a joke debut.

>>25388590
nijisanji's channel hit a million so they teased and debuted her. the hype came from that and her ridiculous debut and big personality carried her to where she is now
also iirc she mentioned she was supposed to debut earlier which is where the kanae rrat came from since he hit 1 million a little while prior

>>25383960
It would be suspicious if there wasn't the Gura precedent. She got a massive early spike in the same manner.

>>25385434
The primary drive for numberfags is autism.

>>25386488
Her constant yelling and super fast speaking reminds me of Kizuna. I don't know if she did it on purpose, but she is probably filling that void.

>>25386702
she's very obviously Kugimiya Rie

>>25387031
Many Holowhores have roommates you can check. It's very easy to tell how their kayfabe is super thin for the most part.

>>25390179
I hate Matsoori so much

>>25383960
I think it's hilarious that faggots don't know that botting is a thing that streamers do ALL the time. Hell, we had threads where anons paid for bots to sub to vtubers we were watching and we all saw the sub count increase on real time!
Big corpos are not above bots at all.

>>25384960
Is this a joke? Her channel was monetized yesterday and it was an unending stream of superchats.

>>25390625
nobody denies botting is a thing, it's just usually not such a ridiculously obvious ratio in the hundred thousands

>>25390085
Her 早口 reminds me of Marine quite a bit.

>>25387522
>She stole Hirasaka Mei's personality.
Mei is what bronies THINK Salome is.
Mei's "RP" is literally JUST "desuwa," while Salome is the entire ojousama package.
It's kinda funny when you consider that Salome's RP is actually "a normal girl who just wants to BECOME an ojousama," yet she outclasses every "actual" ojousama vtuber out there. Hirasaka Mei? Takamiya Rion? Hanabusa Lisa? Lmao.

>>25390855
She's not an ojousama and that's why I was disappointed and don't watch her.
Only EOPs could possible think she's an ojousama. Her entire point and lore is that she's not one.

>>25386375
She was already some sort of older minor celebrity in Japan and you already know how strong celebrity worship is over there.

>>25391522
Why do you even care about the lore? Fuck is wrong with you

>>25383960
She's a professional VA.

>>25392016
Her personality doesn't fit either. An ojousamas appeal is their pride and confidence. She lacks both. A desuwa does not make one an ojousama, and neither do drills. She fails as an ojou character.

>>25384259
Virgin proof stream? That's certain to break 1m CCV

>>25392062
>An ojousamas appeal is their pride and confidence
have you read her fucking name?

>>25392134
Have you watched her streams?

>>25383960
>Solo debut so she had more attention
>Joke character, people like to turn joke upside down
>Streaming only for an hour a day so she is not getting stale yet.
>Showing her guts on the debut
>Overall good streamer
There is a lot of things which went just right for her. Probably one in the thousand fluke.

>>25392038
Did anyone figured out her roommate?

>>25391522
That's exactly what makes her fun to watch. Anyone can pull off a boring ojousama act, but some commoner pretending to be an ojousama and often failing at it pitifully? Now that's fucking entertaining. Well, at least to almost 900k people that is

>>25392038
Kaida Haru was also one is he the most popular?

>>25392458
>anyone could pull it off
except they don't.
there's not a single good ojou vtuber.

all of them do the same "fake" act because they can just slap some lore on it then just act like themselves and scream desuwa at the end.

>>25384135
I don't get it, who is that?

When will people get used to her massive meme numbers, are we going to have to discuss why she got popular and whether or not she deserves her numbers forever?

>>25383960
She isn't a streamer, don't compare my entertainer oshi to that e-begging scum.

>>25392395
She's my gf, can't really say I figured it out though.

>>25388590
>Salome
>Salami

Does she do asmr?

my conclusion is that she's an actual ojou-sama and not a LARP

>>25394046
I guess it's funny for americans who can't distinguish words from each other.

I'm follwing her simply because she's showing the NijiEN dramawhores how streamers should be and getting rewarded for it with massive popularity.

>>25394046
Do amerimutts really? They aren't even similar in pronunciation.

>>25386027
She gets plenty of SC (seethe & cope) from /#/nigs, so I'm convinced that she's the real deal.

>>25385434
Please understand /#/ was a place for autists who loved to stare at charts and graphs all day and knelt to whoever got the biggest numbers, then from an influx of newfags and mindbreakings from Luxiem and now Salome became the tribalfaggotry central where it's just SEAnigs accusing the other team of being botted with zero evidence

>>25392540
Nijisanji's CEO

>>25394264
sah-low-mee
sah-lah-mee
po-tay-toe
po-tah-toe

>>25394536
It's prounounced sah-lo-meh

>>25394536
It's so fucking funny (pathetic) when EOPs try to force English pronunciation rules onto words that are not English and they shouldn't be pronounced according to English rules.

>>25394536
>thinking that's how her name is meant to be pronounced, i.e. the way Japs actually pronounce it
>thinking mi & me is pronounced the same
This is what a monolingual country does to your brain, everybody.
>>25394634

>>25394634
Well yeah, if you want to pronounce it wrong.

>>25392395
Your English smells like SEA

>>25394683
>US is monolingual
Suck my culo.

>>25394688
>pronounce it wrong
>implying the way Japanese people pronounce a Japanese name is wrong
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO, this dude

>>25394676
Your autism is showing.

These what graphs from even Niji ChannelS started to look like when Luxiem became a thing. Also throw in the fact that less than 2k viewers from 100k viewer funnel to other niji or holo channels when she is done. Anyways Niji IPO THIS WEEK BUY BUY BUY!

>>25394264
Well, they managed to pronounce Teemu Selänne as Teemoo Salami when he entered NHL.

>>25390855
rick and morty

>>25386027
This is her only monetized stream thus far so see for yourself.
https://playboard.co/en/video/TiAwdnuch0Q

I'd be inclined to believe the numbers if Anycolor's IPO wasn't 2 weeks after it
reeks of chinese bullshittery

>>25394742
It's not autism, it's knowledge.

>>25383960
Its proof that riding the frontpage still works, im not sure how she did it or even what her appeal are suppose to be, but she have a fair chance to leverage this into staying a big shot, bots or no bots does not really matter

>>25383960
yes it is very suspicious, I guess we'll find out after they start selling their stocks

>>25384960
Akasupas are botted too?

>>25395197

I didn't know that bots could do superchat...

>>25395461
Yes. Everthing is fake. Even Salome does not actually exist. It's shocking.

>>25385272
yes, and her sc opening barely beat lain's and couldnt even reach leos's

/#/ resident are mindbroken tribalist fucks who cried when another tribe is doing good. Ban them for good since their thread isn't even a containment, its a breeding ground.

>>25383960
>oversaturated market
It's not oversaturated, despite yearly claims since 2018 that it is. This is a young, growing industry; you can't oversaturate a growing market.

It's legitimately astonishing this thread has so many idiots who believe this whore is really as popular as she appears. The idea you can come out on Debut, break 100k CCV, and then translate that into a million subs in a week with an audience that materialized out of nowhere is so thin on the ground it sounds like a fucking dream.

She's not pulling her fanbase from within her company, she's not pulling it from her competition, so she must have pulled it from an undiscovered market. Somehow, she's managed to find 100k JP native viewers that weren't already watching Vtubers, and hold their attention for multiple streams? This is pure cope. If it were that easy, it would have been done before Salome. You really think anyone wouldn't have managed it by now, if it were something that could be replicated just by doing something shocking on debut day and streaming less, not more?

Since fucking when have short streams ever been a fucking good thing? Since when do people come in droves to watch a shitty Let's Play for a years old game? Do you idiots seriously think anyone cares about Kayfabe? No one likes lore, not the Japanese or English audiences.

Salome has done nothing that promotes success or growth in viewership since her Debut. There isn't anything especially unique or good about her compared to her fellow livers within Nijisanji, none of whom have ever been this popular. Honestly, even the males from NijiEN deserve high numbers more than Salome, they're exploiting an entirely new fanbase and were pushed hard, and yet they still can't conjure anywhere near the numbers that Salome does.

To believe Salome isn't botted to fucking hell, you need to believe that there were 100k JP stream watchers just waiting for the one Vtuber who scratched exactly the itch Salome hits, who hadn't already been claimed by anyone else in the market, and didn't care about literally any other element of online content than the fact that she's in it. It's actual fucking insanity to think there's anything natural about Salome's numbers.

>muh heggin subachats
yes she got insane exposure for a week via viewfarms, and then superchats on the level of a low tier holo

>>25396977
>Do you idiots seriously think anyone cares about Kayfabe
opinion disregarded, japs take that shit dead serious, lauren got flamed on debut for disrespecting it and then there's gundou which goes without saying

>some schizos care about kayfabe therefore 100k people care about kayfabe

nigger at least give me a (you) if you're gonna be retarded, roa wasn't beloved for no reason, people like it when anime characters actually act like anime characters and take their job seriously, sorry you have shit taste and have an oshi that acts like a twitch whore instead

>>25397257
NTA, Roa wasn't beloved because of Kayfabe, it was because her stream persona was pandering to an audience that is very receptive to pandering. In that case the kayfabe matters less than the pandering.

Toasting in an epic bread!

>>25397360
the pandering is literally part of the keyfabe

>>25397386
Wrong way around, the kayfabe is part of the pandering. You can have pandering without kayfabe, but you can't have kayfabe without pandering.

Unless you're like, a tremendous asshole on stream and a good person off stream? But no one in their right mind will do that.

>>25397457
>a tremendous asshole on stream and a good person off stream? But no one in their right mind will do that
not even uncommon, plenty of tw*tch streamers have this exact gimmick, and actually, to speak about them in more detail, twitch streamers that heavily play characters like tyler1 and drdisrespect are VERY popular
the idea that nobody wants to watch a cute anime girl act like a cute anime girl is categorically false in every respect

>>25390739
She got less than half per viewer than Laplus or Iroha

>"Nijis don't act in kayfabe, they are like twitch thots!"
>new niji acts kayfabe
>"PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT KAYFABE!!!!!"
Holotard logic.

Pandering isnt the right word to use about someone playing a character. Pandering is like purposely playing into a ship for shipfags.

>>25397600
I watch Mito, faggot. You don't even watch streams

Salome is fucking botted.

>>25384135
Based Riku, too bad he's going to force her to graduate in the next 2 years.

>>25397669
This is like me saying I watch Pekora and then acting like an expert on all things Hololive. Mito doesn't even have memberships open so you can't even prove you watch her, conveniently enough.

>>25397669
Way to out yourself as a retard. Out of all the names you could have used you went for Iinchou lmao

>>25397669
>in disbelief of someone being explosively popular and pulling huge numbers on an online video platform
>tries to falseflag with Mito
Based retard

Mito's cookies inside of Salome

>>25396977
>No one likes lore
>he doesn't know how many viewers and new subs Haachama got during her lore arcs (even Gura got btfo btw)

>>25383960
SUCCESS
BREEDS
JEALOUSY

>>25396977
>She's not pulling her fanbase from within her company, she's not pulling it from her competition
>niji and holo fans are all talking about her, clipping her, drawing her, quoting her

>>25396977
Based and true.

>>25400041
Only because of the numbers. If she was getting like 10k CCV no one would give a flying fuck about her, even if she behaved EXACTLY the same and was equally as entertaining. She's popular for the sake of being popular. Big shiny numbers make people subscribe because of FOMO. Big shiny numbers make people leech before the bubble bursts. It's all a fake show that's perfectly timed for the IPO that's rarely been mentioned in this thread for some weird fucking reason lmao?!

Who could have thought that the real gura killer would be an ojou-sama

>>25400349
Don't call her that people will get triggered, because of her lore. kek

lmao wtf is an IPO? guys anyone else getting sleepy?

>>25400235
>built up a lot of hype for reasons already explained a hundred times
>actually follows through, keeps in character and remains interesting
>lots of clippable moments and memes to maintain momentum and bring in new subs
is that really so hard to believe? Leos got 1mil on his early streams too, but 5ch got bored of him when they realized he's not really that much different from any other guy yelling over videogames.

>>25386730
>You will never be a japanese

It is not possible for someone to incline this much after debut while not being in Hololive. Call it cope as much as you want, the excuse of "she's reaching a new market" simply cannot be proven.

>>25385434
No, /#/ is a stealth holo tribal thread and always has been. Numbers are only objective when the numbers support their tribe, otherwise it doesn't count.

>>25395360
You're definitely on the spectrum.

>>25400499
>actually follows through, keeps in character and remains interesting
I think that last part is more important than people think. You'll see anons try to counter the point that she's entertaining by essentially saying that she's nothing special since she isn't reinventing the wheel. This ignores the fact that even the number 1 vtuber for a while in Gura didn't exactly have a mind blowing personality that rocked the world, but it was something with wide appeal. That's all it takes.

>>25396977
LEAVE SALAMI ALONE! DESUWAAAA

>>25400499
>is that really so hard to believe?
Literally yes. Everything you listed is correct and are legit reasons as to why she's popular. What I cannot fathom is her being THIS popular. This is what many people like myself are trying to say. We understand she'll be more popular than usual, an outlier, but this is fucking insane and it's too perfectly timed. She should have half the numbers she currently has (both in subs and CCV) and that would still be really impressive.

My rrat is Hololive is actually paying for her bots to make Nijisanji look bad.

>>25400511
Dumbass, it's not even possible for Hololive. It's not possible period, Vtubers in general just aren't that popular.

>>25400499
The market is too small for someone who doesn't even release music or have a preexisting audience following them to consistently bring in the same numbers as big events for regular gaming streams, and they aren't being taken from any other viewer base.

It legitimately is totally unbelievable that anyone could manage this, let alone someone doing everything the opposite of what conventional wisdom should dictate leads to big numbers.

>>25385434
The holobrony is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a simp, cuck, SEAnigger, shitposter; it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a holobrony and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>25400235
>IPO that's rarely been mentioned in this thread for some weird fucking reason
You mean the point that have been spammed to death since DAY 1?
You don't see it as often anymore because people are getting bored of spamming it, outside a few schizos.

>>25389930
God, I can't even imagine how much people would cry about botting if Gura debuted anywhere but Hololive today.

>>25383960
I watched her GTA V stream, she's not that entertaining, it's all hype.

>>25400711
>Dumbass, it's not even possible for Hololive. It's not possible period, Vtubers in general just aren't that popular.
Who is Gura?

if Gura debuted today no one would give a fuck
she'd grow to her current views eventually maybe but she wouldn't blow up the way she did
she blew up because EN vtubers was a fairly new market and Hololive was a huge name coming in
absolutely nothing of this is true for Salome, and yet she blew up even harder
you can also compare to HoloX, who had insanely hyped debuts and yet they couldn't retain 100 fucking percent of the debut audience, that just makes no sense in any universe

>>25400625
>This ignores the fact that even the number 1 vtuber for a while in Gura didn't exactly have a mind blowing personality that rocked the world, but it was something with wide appeal.
Gura had an entire untapped EN market and a huge viral meme, great cunny design with a bratty personality to go with it, massive previous channel...what the fuck does this Japanese whore have that exceeds all of those things? Being a bit more entertaining than her peers. That's it.

>>25400792
Less popular than Salome.

>>25400504
Who are you quoting?

>>25400830
I would contest that she is more entertaining than all preexisting JP Vtubers. She's not even the funniest in Nijisanji. Nor is she the first to sell her kayfabe well for that matter

Holobronies are so used to their streamers not actually being entertaining that they literally can not fathom what could happen if a streamer is entertaining.

>no it's physically impossible for her to be popular because it defies the trends that I jerk off to
all of these arguments could be made for kobo as well lol

The cope in this thread is incredible.
Just the idea of some people sitting in their PCs losing their shit at Salome, like if she personally stabbed a family member or something, is fucking hilarious.

>>25400974
>He says, while Salome completely mogs every single Niji at the same time
Nice self own.

>>25400974
elite cope

>>25401017
Has anyone, even once, seriously contested that Kobo isn't botted?

>>25400830
Now you're entering the "I don't get it so it must be bad." stage.

>>25396977
Why are luxiemsisters like this

>STOP ASKING QUESTIONS GWEILO

>>25401038
Taking both first and second place doesn't make your third place any better.

>>25401018
We knew since forever ago that /#/ was a SEAnigger hive of holobrony mental illness. Salome tore the mask off completely, but not a month ago these fuckers were admitting to botting and reporting non-holo chuubas in an attempt to get them banned.

>>25383960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uACGSiN3ZkI

>>25400830(Me)
I also forgot to mention she joined Hololive when it was at its absolute peak in popularity and quality, during fucking COVID. Gura's numbers were 100% understandable. Too big to be honest and we can see that now with the amount of dead subs. This Japanese whore has none of those things going for her and everyone is acting like it's perfectly normal lmao.

>>25401038
nta but I think salome mogs everybody. She is in her own league above everyone else. I don't care whether she were holo or niji or anything else

>>25401095
Vox panders harder than anyone, is tapping as many markets as he can reach, is a massive numberfag and he actually streams unlike HoloEN, and he can't pull numbers better than Gura half the time.

So how the fuck does Salome mog both of them at the same fucking time? Tell me.

>>25401081
>holofags are so desperate to discredit the salami they've resorted to throwing their own livers under the bus
incredible

>>25400830
>untapped EN market
JP market has been slowing down and some top Holos are even on breaks, it's not that hard to believe something could come along to kick it back up.
>huge viral meme
Salome had one too in her debut
>great cunny design and bratty personality
Great ojou design and personality

Only thing that's different is the PL but that's where the randomness of things going viral on the internet can come in.

vtuber market is still in it's infancy and there's still a ton of growth to be found. New vtubers getting popular like this isnt new.

>>25385389
>>25386730
>>25387306
>>25388251
>>25389930
>>25392505
>>25394683
>>25400235
>>25400711
>>25401038
>>25401201
>same
desu!

IPO fraud?
IPO fraud

>>25401351
nope

>>25401260
>Only thing that's different is the PL but that's where the randomness of things going viral on the internet can come in
>>25401148

Reminder that anyone invoking Gura's name in a numbers thread like this one is not a Gura fan.

>>25401201
Algorithm. YouTube sees someone new with big numbers on a small number of videos and gives them as much support as possible. That's just how these things work.
I think the fact that she's also genuinely very funny if you aren't a total dekinai helps, but talent is like 20% of success on a good day. Most of it is luck.

>>25401328
It is a bit funny how people are saying vtubers are on a recline because Hololive is on one but every NijiEN member is inclining as well as a lot of indies

>>25401260
NTA, don't be stupid. You don't just 'go viral' as a streamer. The people watching Salome aren't from any preexisting audience, we know this because she hasn't impacted anyone else's numbers.

>>25401351
Nice try faggot

>>25401410
Hololive is on a recline because they're just boring and everyone's finding new vtubers that are actually doing new things.
In the end it's just pure cope from them.

>>25401376
>>25401433
Look at these two retards! hahaha

>>25401402
this would never translate into 100% viewer retention

>>25401410
NijiEN isn't inclining, stop coping. Vtuber's as a market isn't growing, its shrinking, which is why Salome is so ridiculous. We're already beyond saturated.

Is the explanation that many of Salome's viewers are the ones who mostly show up to events not pretty sensible? There's like 40 or 50 thousand people who watch normal nijisanji streams live, but it's far more for events. Same goes for hololive. Basically I'm saying all of her streams are like an event and the people who normally don't always watch streams tune in to hers. Then add normalfags who hear about her because of viral stuff and the yt algo

>>25401376
>>25401433
Not same, same!

>>25401514
>the magical viewers that only show up to events but will watch this specific daily stream playing a dead game

SALOME SWALLOW MY SALAMI!

>>25401493
Pomu went from 1.8k average ccv to near 3k this month. Every indie I’ve been watching has been inclining 30-500 viewers, even phase is inclining. Only Holo is on a recline

>>25400974
>>25401454
Based and redpilled

Is it that hard to fathom that people find her streams enjoyable? The amount of cope.

>>25401561
Nice try faggot^2

>>25401493
Vtubers are just a subset of streamers, who are very much a growing industry. Any analysis of vtuber numbers that tries to pretend they're some completely separate bubble is so inaccurate so as to be useless.
>>25401492
Doesn't have to. Doesn't matter if you lose 20% of your viewers from your last stream if you get the same amount of new viewers from the algorithm in the next stream.

>>25401410
And then they took a giant shit on their viewer base.
I'm glad Salome is inclining this hard while upholding core vtuber values instead of trying to be a generic twitch whore with an avatar.

>>25401645
is it that hard to fathom companies manipulating the market to get ahead?

>>25401661
>>25401661
>>25401661
These are your newfags, /vt/.

>>25400783
Gura's spike was when Vtubing was at its peak and it was still smaller than Salome's growth

>>25401705
Nice try faggot^3

>>25401419
>You don't just 'go viral' as a streamer.
Says who? If it can happen for regular YouTube channels how is this different?
>aren't from a preexisting audience
So the concept of someone who may not have watched vtubers suddenly hearing about this weird lady showing off her guts and checking her out is impossible? Are people who aren't watching vtubers right now incapable of doing so in the future?

>"NOOOOOO VTUBING IS DYING YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE POPLAR TODAY SUSAN PLEASE"

>>25401645
Yes. Because if you can find 100k people that find random gaming streams for new Vtubers enjoyable, why the fuck haven't they been discovered and claimed in the last 20 debuts?

>>25401869
Shh. Let them enjoy their escapism that's validated and justified by big number on screen. They'll soon have the graphs shoved down their throats when they realize everything we're saying is true.

Most of her audience is Japanese. Why are we using EN standards to measure this such as Gura?

>>25401869
>"This new vtuber is hilarious, you have to check her out"
>"Eh, maybe later"
>repeat this x20 for months
>"This one showed her guts on stream and does a funny voice."
>"WHAT!? I have to see this."
>"Oh, she's pretty funny, I'll keep watching haha"

>>25401869
Out of those last 20 debuts which ones began trending on Twitter because of some weird shit the chuuba did?

>>25402017
EOP board.

>>25402016
Yeah, so what happens when then those graphs prove you to be wrong?

>>25402043
honestly if you look at the way ranunculus flopped and how leos briefly went viral it's pretty clear that niji watchers don't bother subbing to every new chuba like holofans do. salami is interesting and so she got subs, it's not that hard to understand.

>>25401376
>NOOOO NOBODY CAN LIKE SALOME, EVERYONE IS THE SAME REEEEE

>>25402016
>Numbers start high then go down after debut buff
Damn I can't believe Cover bots streams.

How exactly do numberfags explain why only salome alone would be botted?

>>25402136
I will be nowhere to be seen and won't admit I was wrong because I'm petty, but that's beside the point.

>>25402017
Nah, we cant do that. We dont understand japanese nor Japan anon! Our calculations are only about EN! Thats all that matters anyways (to this board, unironically)

>>25402194
well at least you're honest about it

>>25402067
LIKE ALL OF THEM

Every fucking Vtuber does this. It's part of the standard debut playbook now, all Corperate Vtubers try to slip in something crazy at least once and the ones who numberfag actively aim to hit trending, and they reach it

>>25402194
Fair enough, I really dont care about noombers. If anything, it’s believable to me because it reminds of Mito in Japan somewhat.

>>25392038
True, I am the anime she voiced.

>>25402238
>LIKE ALL OF THEM
I don't recall anything from HoloX's debuts.

>>25402137
Niji fans are like fans of the vast majority of other streamer groups. Most of them just like one or two and MAYBE the people they frequently stream with. There are fans who try and keep up with everyone, but it's a very, VERY small minority.
The only reason /vt/fags get confused by this is because most of them not only came to vtubers from HoloEN, but they didn't watch normal streamers before then either. They're taking Hololive's very unusual culture as the baseline, when it's really, really not.

>>25402172
No one has ever contested that botting happens to others. However, if everyone is botted, that just means Salome is botted even harder

>>25402238
every single vtuber shows their intestines on their debut, and on their first stream talks about disinfecting rotten food using piss, good to know

>>25383960
Give me ONE reason for her to having that many viewers other than "she is funny", because nobody gets 90k viewers by being funny.

>>25402286
NTA, I vividly remember a moment from Laplus' debut where she was telling her chat to help her numberfag so she could hit top trending.

>>25402323
Don't forget that every chuuba has rumors of them being a prank floating around beforehand driving people to their debut.

>>25402299
So whoever has higher numbers is just botting harder. So this is the intellect that numberfags have among each other., sasuga.

>>25402286
You don't remember Chloe taking off the mask to reveal the cutest face in Hololive?

>>25402336
The same reason those Korone clips blew up in the west. Put two and two together.

>>25402366
Only if they aren't in my tribe. My tribe's popularity is pure and real.

>>25402295
>top niji has 1mil subs, so there must be a maximum of 1 million nijisanji fans
>top holo has 4mil subs, so there must be a maximum of 4 million hololive fans
this is what they actually believe lol

>>25383960
>literal nobody enters an oversaturated market and gets 100k ccv and break all subs records and that isn't slightly suspicious for anybody on this board?
>Kayfabe filtering out EOPs
You love to see iit

Are you retards still pushing the holoboogeyman hates Salome rrat? Ok.
Anyway, another day and I'm still kneeling to based salami for completely mogging EN "vtubers"

>>25402299
Why the fuck would they not bot their other members then? And how come this has worked out so well when the yt system usually fights botting

>>25402377
I remember that because it's when I stopped watching her. They ruined an amazing design.

>numbers plummeting
>still posting these kind of threads
Feel really bad for her ngl
Same retards will be the ones posting
>what happened?
Threads when VODS won't be able to reach 500k

>>25402336
She says desuwa and no Vtuber has ever had an ojou-sama character before

People will try to hide it by crying 'holocope', but NijiEN debuted with MV and a big marketing push, and they were never this big, even collectively

>>25386306
No, it's all of you. You ALL suck. Holo, Niji, indies, other corpos, indies, doesn't matter. Everyone on this entire fucking board is a coping, seething, projecting, insecure faggot. Everyone except me.

I am watching her GTA stream right now and GOD damn she needs a new PC ASAP.

Numberfagging was never meant to be taken seriously you niggers. We even admit that what we see on YT isn't the real figure due to either culling or bots. Full profits aren't known either because we don't know YT's exact cut, or how much the company takes or how much Cover pays its girls. Then there's the alternative superchat sites that can't even be tracked.

I'm fucking baffled that what is essentially funposting using made up figures cases Nijiniggers to get this defensive.

>>25402480
>Everyone except me.
Based ngl

>>25384135
>dilate
>nijisanji
He is unaware

>>25402459
Many vtubers had a ojousama character before.

>>25384809
this

>she has no popular PL
it was obvious since day 1 that she's debi, who has years of experience being a cute retard

>>25402510
Anon, you should know by now that acting like a retard as a joke only attracts real retards. Doesn't matter if /#/ started as a joke, it's real and full schizo now.

>>25402459
>no Vtuber has ever had an ojou-sama character before
>sad Rena noises

>>25402336
She actually plays her character
She's actually funny
She has a nice voice
She has a funny gimmick desuwa!
She's not so far off the deep end so she can actually be comfortable unlike uhhh literally all of the major corpo ENs (doesn't apply in this case because JPs actually care about vtubing)
Name the second biggest ojou vtuber. I'll give you an hour....
Her entertainment style appeals to normies
I could go on but Salome is a phenomenon for a few very good reasons. One of the biggest is kayfabe which almost no one does now. That puts her in a class almost of her own. Normies are fickle though so they don't SC as much and many of them will be gone in a month because they have lives and by that point they'll have moved on.

>>25402400
You're comparing a top JP Niji to a top EN Holo, you retard. Realistically there's probably around 3 million Japanese people that actively watch vtubers at least once a week. If that's the case, this woman collecting a third of that chunk within 2 weeks is absolutely insane when you consider how similar she is to those around her and those that have come before. Only a few things make sense for her to be very popular but they don't justify this kind of popularity at all. Like I said before, it should be half what she's getting at most.

>>25402510
>All our botting accusations are just jokes! Just a little whimsical fun, heehee.
lol, epic backpedal

>>25402579
>numbers, sourced straight from my ass!

>>25402579
>Realistically there's probably around 3 million Japanese people that actively watch vtubers at least once a week
Source?

>>25384809
>Is it so hard to believe she's just good?
I mean I watch her and nothing about her makes me believe she would get 100k viewers interested in watching her. She is not doing anything different from what every other vtubers has done already.

>>25402510
>funposting
You're being a dindu nigger now. Botting someone's actual corporate channel and trying to get her banned goes far beyond funposting, maybe it's just that to you but the numbers thread at large is far beyond just seeing this as a joke

>>25402628
Who has shown their insides on debut?

>>25402418
The YouTube system is actually terrible at fighting bots. As for why they don't bot everyone, it's because botting costs money, so it's technically an investment. It's like paying to fill seats in conferences for fake applause, it's usually not worth it

>>25402579
Your source

>>25402510
>Numberfagging was never meant to be taken seriously
Do you even know where you are

>>25402579
>If that's the case, this woman collecting a third of that chunk within 2 weeks is absolutely insane
You're ignoring the possibility that she attracted new people. And she's even talked on stream about how she changed her loading screen because people new to Niji and vtubers in general thought the joke was "She's a guy and the loading screen is her real face" and not "Haha that's the CEO of the company", so there's clearly some newfags in her audience.

the funny thing is she's pretty clearly reclining from her debut buff and once her numbers calm down, holofags are going to make a hundred smug posts about how she fell off as if they weren't crying and shaking over her popularity

>>25402590
>>25402651
Stop crying at me, I don't care.

>>25402739
Gonna break gooras record to 1 million but we will here
>c-ccv is down, she is failing!

>>25402770
Stop being a retard, bro.

>>25402699
So you're saying all you have to do to hit 1mil in two weeks is to draw in a totally new group of people who know nothing about Vtubers, and somehow make them stay?

Wow, who would have thought, it's almost as if that's something no one has considered was even possible before.

>>25402672
>The YouTube system is actually terrible at fighting bots
The proven record we have of a botted Vtuber stream with Millie was extremely fucking obvious. Beyond that if you wanna say those were just cheap bots then we can absolutely not know any numbers. I might as well go out on a limb and say that all of Vtubing numbers beyond 60k are botted and that there are never 100k people watching a Vtuber stream.

>>25402739
Down from 100k to 95k btw.

>>25402817
Its impossible for newfags to come in. My sources told me this.,

If Salome is botting with, say, 80k bots... then how many bots did Coco have at her graduation stream? 200k? 250k?

>>25402510
>Numberfagging was never meant to be taken seriously you niggers.
Tell that to your fellow newfags from 2019/2020 who took every shitpost from the resident spergs on /jp/ seriously lol

>>25401454
Exactly. I feel like, rather than the viewers being there to watch the streams, Holo is all about people using the girls as a topic of conversation to jerk each other off instead, and the reason why it's the way it is is because a huge chunk of viewers literally can't understand Japanese.

>>25402602
Technically yes, but the biggest JP with a mostly JP fanbase has around 2M and not everyone watches her, obviously. The extra 1M was me being generous if anything. I doubt there's more than 3M when you look at the industry as a whole (in Japan). There's a huge amount of overlap between the agencies and indies. The oshi concept is a niche thing on the whole; most people watch multiple vtubers quite happily without the shitflinging you see on here. If she got such a significant chunk of the JP fanbase, in 2 weeks, by being a tiny bit edgy and funny then she'll fall as hard as she's climbed, because it won't last.

>>25402873
what would you gain from botting a graduation?
what people fail to take into account is motive
and Anycolor has, at this moment, more motive than ever to have this sort of break out performance

>tons of fanart and social media posts
>clips getting 100k-500k views
>5mil yen on her monetization stream
>h-her numbers are fake guys I promise!!

>>25402975
Do you know what confirmation bias is?

>>25402988
>tons of fanart and social media posts
>clips getting 100k-500k views
direct result of the manufactures hype
these people latch onto anything popular
>5mil yen on her monetization stream
..which is less than holos with a fraction of the views got
>h-her numbers are fake guys I promise!!

>>25402911
Take your number and multiply it by 4 or 5; thats the likely total for ALL of JP. 10 to 15 million. That doesnt mean everyone is devoted to streams everyday, obviously but 3 million is low. JP doesnt sub as much either

/scag/ - salami cope & arguing general

>>25402988
Btw the cosmetic product she recommended on stream the other day top Amazon best seller chart.
It's amazing how much one girl can make tribalfags seethe so much.

>100K "human" viewers
>barely any channel makes clips about her
Yep, definitely not bots.

>>25403066
Is it Cope none of her last 3 streams can break 1 million vod views?
Or is the coping numberniggers ignoring that?
Or is it retards who think a 45 year old famous utaite is a "nobody" or debiru

>>25402975
In 2020 Hololive had the motive to overtake their competitor nijisanji and become the biggest Vtuber organization in Japan. Now prove to me that the numbers weren't botted

>>25403043
this would imply I believe every niji gets viewfarmed
I'm only talking about Salome and Anycolor's IPO, I don't know what this has to do with confirmation bias
I am not invested in numberfagging, I just don't take this shit at face value

>>25403043
Doesn't exist.

>>25403055
>"The hype was totally fake, just a prank bro, and 100k people totally fell for it haha! The absolute madmen!"

>>25403127
>JP viewers
>not many clips in EN
Hmm

>>25403127
What are you on? I get clips of her recommended to me constantly.

>>25403140
maybe they did
what does that have to do with this?

So you're just going to ignore the huge downward trend in her viewer metrics and just talk about winning the epic numbers game?

>>25403143
Why only bot one? Why not bot the last few 3D debuts? Or the more established members?

>>25403127
I've seen a bunch of clips for her though. Even for EN clips, it's been a LOT more than is normal for JP nijis.

>>25403235
again, maybe they are, I don't know
I just don't believe this particular vtuber's numbers

>this makes the holodindu confused and angry

How to argue with other people with room temp IQ: the thread.

>>25403202
What I'm saying is that this is a retarded conversation to have because anyone can just make statements that can't be proven of disproven outright.

>>25395525
Viewers are bots.
Superchats are bots.
Chat is bots.
Vtubers are bots.
/vt/ is bots.

>>25403217
>After the debut buff the numbers settle back down to a more reasonable number.
This happens with everyone?

>>25403272
>chotto…OH NO DESU WA!

>>25403272
Anon we all know you're the same guy who posts about Miko "winning gold"

>>25403296
beep boop!

>>25403217
You just gonna ignore every vtuber that exists?

>>25403143
>>25403156
I'm just gonna assume this entire discussion is bait.

>>25403310
Who?

>wake up
>remember I'm not a tribalfag
>remember I'm not a numberfag
>feel happy to be alive and enjoy my day

>>25403289
otherwise known as having a discussion
if you think it's pointless why are you replying?

>>25403264
Then you just can't be convinced.

>>25403297
Her VOD views have fallen by 50%+ in 6 streams lmao

>>25403296
You forgot, Vtubers are bots, pic related

>>25402860
Where the fuck do you think Newfags come from? Do you think they grow on trees? Do you think they just emerge fully formed from the ground, that they come out of the dirt like worms when it rains?

There is a finite population of people who watch streams on the internet. Of those, the majority of market share is taken by flesh streamers. Vtubers have been growing yes, but their rate of growth was at its highest during the pandemic, and has been slowing down since. Those numbers get better when entering new markets or during big events or collaborations, or even just playing new flavor of the month games or doing karaoke, we call those buff streams.

But Salome has done none of that. She came out, 100k people who never watched Vtubers decided this was the one where they must have ignored everyone else in Nijisanji and Hololive as just uninteresting before, and she has remained stable as a super-leader in CCV since her debut. It isn't cope to think this makes no fucking sense, because really, what would you tell someone who wanted to replicate Salome's success? Just create new viewers of Vtubers through sheer luck?

>>25403368
Tell me, is Gura still pulling her first month numbers now?

>>25403355
Not all discussions are cool though some are lame and pointless.
>why are you replying
I'm too comfortable on the shitter right now and don't wanna get up yet

>>25403383
>Noooo there is no 100k people in the world we all live in a simulation

>>25403325
>BRO LOOK AT HER NUMBERS
>ignore the massive tanking of viewers on VODs that's normal
Losing half tour audience in a week is not normal a debut buff is usually 20% or so not
>2 million VOD views to sub 700k despite pulling out GTA V in a week

This thread convinced me it's more likely that niji is botting these Salome numberfag threads than it is for them to be running a massive undetectable viewbot farm, all for only one of their talents.

>>25403383
>100k people who never watched Vtubers
Plenty of streams by Hololive and Niji that had far more than 130k viewers

>>25403383
I am certain that every single viewer isnt new, dumbass. Is it that hard to believe that 5k or so are new? Or even 10k? We arent talking about the west, we are talking Japan anyways

>>25403418
Tell me, do you think I don't constantly shit on the queen of dead subs and shit CCV you retarded tribal nigger?

>>25403469
>comparing first vid with the latest fresh vid with viewcount still growing
yawn

>>25403485
Ill admit, I have personally baited with her just because its funny to see.

>>25383960
Who is she, and depending on how good her porn is determines if I remember her name or not

>>25403063
>JP doesnt sub as much either
That's a fair point.

If you're saying roughly 10 million (your lowest estimate) Japanese people watch vtubers (lets say at least once a week), that means roughly 1 in 10 people you see in the street in Japan watches a vtuber. Bare in mind it's still a new thing that isn't widely accepted. Now factor in that a huge chunk of their population is old. I'm going to (again) pull numbers out of my ass and assume the average age of someone that watches vtubers is 10-50 in Japan. That's probably around 60% of their population (I could be waaay off so please correct me), but if that's somewhat accurate then you're saying roughly 10M out of 70M Japanese people watch vtubers at least once a week. 1 in 7. Does that honestly sound right to you?

I'm honestly asking, not trying to be a snarky faggot.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/612575/japan-population-age-group/

>>25403524
>muh subs
Enjoy your ojou shaak loser then I guess?
>veiwcount still growing
Like her last re7 stream that couldn't break 900k?

>>25403509
I dont even know who you are, but we all know numbers go down from debut over time.

>>25403383
>where they must have ignored everyone else in Nijisanji and Hololive as just uninteresting before
That's not how these things work lol. There's plenty of streamers I didn't watch for years and started watching later, and it's not like I was avoiding them because I thought they were bad. I just didn't check them out until then because there's only so much time in the day. And the way I ended up checking most of them out was a clip popping up in my YouTube recommended, which I imagine happened for many of Salome's fans too.

>>25403487
Shhhh, don't mention that or they'll start burning down buildings.

This topic proves zoomers are retarded because they think the only way to win is through luck or by cheating. They have no concept of merit or levels of refinement because when they were little, blue ribbons were a commodity given even to the kid who wore a helmet and a muzzle to school every day to prevent him from biting the other kids.

>>25403559
I overestimated Japans population if I am honest, its more like 5 to 8 then. I honestly cannot tell you because I am not japanese but I do remember some of Mitos streams being rather high back in the day.

Depending on when the company began planning to go public why wait until only a week before something you were likely considering for over a year? Why not do it for the VTA girls to make the academy look good? Even using the IPO as an excuse doesn't make much sense.

>>25403559
>Does that sound right to you?
Idk, why don't you go to Japan and ask them?

>>25403608
but cheating to get ahead if chinese culture
how can you be so insensitive you retarded boomer?

>>25403608
Anon, anyone who's successful in this world got there through luck. The only ones who think otherwise are the ones who's luck took the form of "born rich" or something.
You can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps, that's made up to keep the lower classes in line. Surely I'll be rich and powerful someday, so I'll support the already rich and powerful until I'm one of them.

is every single numberfag genuinely this retarded or are they only pretending

>>25403579
I am enjoying her, thank you very much. I can't think of anybody else who does it as well as she does. I am sorry that you are so obsessed about her success and will try to convince others that it's all fake and manufactured.

>>25403559
1 in 7 of the people in the 10-50 age range*

>>25403450
There's only 7 billion people on earth anon. Of those, Japan constitutes less than 10%, at over a hundred million people. There's about 3 million men each within the 10-14, 15-19, 20-24, 25-29, 30-34 demographics. That's 15 million men. If we assume the majority of people who watch streams are within this age range, and that most of these just watch sports and flesh streamers...well, let's be generous and assume that 10% of all men between 10 to 34 watch Vtubers.

That's only 1.5 million people.

>>25403580
Yeah and they're going to continue to go down until you turn on her
Like every single numberfag darling

>>25403732
50/50 split

>>25403733
Waaah mommy I want to buy pizza and a new car or house that I definitely won't use to make money! I don't wanna buy assets mommy assets are boring!!

>>25403735
>>25403579
and by "her" I mean salome, not G*ra

>>25403673
Because rrat doesn't have to make sense. Japan's individual investor population are also fucking tiny. They also don't invest based on hype like American do

>>25403761
So lets apply this to every single 100k and above ccv in history as well.

>>25403735
I've literally never said she's botting or whatever the new meme is but it's the cringiest thing to chest bump about numbers when you're going to shit on her for her low numbers in a month
You know the same thing that happened to Gura

>>25403608
Are you fucking stupid? Salome proves luck and cheating work more than shit like actually working hard and selling yourself does, like Luxium. Their numbers are nowhere near as good as hers and they actually deserve success for every advantage that they've stacked

You know there's this guy called Jun who gets 300k CCV right?
Numberfags are pathetic

>>25403761
Your methodology is so flawed I hope for your sake you never have to present research for peer review.

>>25403834
they're after chinese money
scamming each other is a national sport over there

>>25403868
Salome is different from all of those because her viewers are newfags. This is to counter the idea that it's reasonable to simply pull newfags out of her ass, since there's a marketcap of 1.5mil for JP Vtubers which has already been more than fully exploited, Salome is impossible

>>25403869
Well shit man, I am sorry. I didn't know that when you brought up her viewer count decreasing(literally numbers), you didn't want anyone to reply to you. My bad dude. Should I ask about how your day has been instead?

>>25404045
How can you prove that all her viewers are newfags and not people who have been into vtubers for a while?
You are aware that people can follow more than one vtuber at a time, right?

>>25403733
Ok, never add value to anyone else's life then. Just be a consumer forever. Never contribute anything, never sell anything that people like. Why should you even try if it's just luck? Oh look my dumb stick figure made me $10 million and your top pixiv waifus didn't even break $10k even though yours get far more views than mine. Obviously I must have made a deal with the devil or talked to the owner of the internet. What's marketing? Nobody spends time figuring out how to get more people to see their art, absolutely nobody. Millions of people on earth aren't involved in a multi billion dollar field that's sole purpose is to get your attention. Nope, that couldn't apply here. It's all just Russian Roulette and we're lucky we weren't bitten by a man-eating bear when we were growing up because the tv said if you get bit by one and you aren't a teenager yet, you die 99% of the time.

>>25404056
Thanks for admitting you just want attention and don't even watch her

>>25404045
Why would you assume all her viewers are newfags

>>25403954
>Sees a 2 minute post on 4chan
>Compares it to peer reviewed research
This is the worst post in this thread, and that's saying a lot
Well done

>>25403941
It's funny watching numberfags fighting and playing in the mud while literally every single vtuber is getting BTFO'd by the average teenage minecraft youtuber

>>25403418
Yes, in her first month she played Dead by Daylight for 500k views and her most recent DBD stream also got 500k views. Her best DBD streams get 700k, which were well after debut month.
The algorithm turned against her so she doesn't get as many tourists, but she seems to have a stable long-lasting fanbase.

>>25404106
>Proving himself wrong
lol, think before you post, faggot.

>>25404102
Get a load of this deranged boomer

>>25404172
Keep going you are winning this interaction for sure

>>25404110
The comparison was made because you need zero effort to not make an argument out of flawed logic. Just don't post anything.

>>25404200
You are making no sense though. I cannot argue about anything to you because you say it's wrong to do even when it's you who brought it up. I don't feel like I have won. But I feel like you are really fucking stupid and can't bring up anything that makes sense in return so you just cut it short claiming you "won". I really hope you don't argue like this in real life, must be a lonely life if so.

>>25403941
The unicornfags left him after he got married and nowadays he can't break 100k anymore.

I love her so fucking much bros

>>25404313
Whst argument? You're a numbernigger begging for attention by pumping up a niji, waiting for her to recline to shit on her and say I told you so unironically for more attention

>>25404373
>You're a number nigger
>Be the first to bring up numbers
See what I mean? I am talking numbers because you are the first to bring it up? Do you have short term memory loss?

>>25404090
The consensus has been that she causes no impact on other streamer's viewership, thus her viewer demographics are separate from those of any other Vtuber.

She neither takes viewers away from anyone's stream when she starts, or adds viewers to anyone's stream when she ends. She definitely doesn't share viewers with anyone on the same timeslot

>>25404268
your post is flawed so I hope you never write anything ever again

>>25404428
Learn English you disgusting trash
How am I the one that brought up numbers in a thread about numbers
Embarrassing but keep going

>>25404431
Perfectly describes bots too.

>>25404489
I didn't make this thread either. I took it on to reason with you why her viewcount is dropping when contrasted to her debut. Which is very much in topic with what you wrote. If it isn't can redirect it all off of you if you wish.

>>25396977
Ultimate level of seething haha love to see it

>>25404431
But she does have an impact, and now you're also assuming that everyone who watches Nijisanji always watches every stream every day, when we know for a fact that there are over a hundred thousand people who do not show up to every normal stream

>>25404102
See >>25404045
Salome did nothing to sell herself compared to Luxiem, who did everything technically right and yet have failed to reach her numbers. Success in this game, where Salome is legit, is ultimately just a lottery where actually trying improves your chances but doesn't win you gold.

>>25392077
Not to be confused with a virgin-proof stream, which would have almost no CCV

>>25404562
Didn't read because it doesn't matter nigger you literally just took the OPs stance that her numbers are something amazing and unheard

I like her and even I admit she is not "100K viewers" entertaining. No streamer is.

Interesting how numberfags suddenly don't have any charts and graphs to show us, when they were so confident in them before

>>25397669
>Named the only person he know from Niji to prove he's not a Holotard
Lmao what a fucking retard

>>25404676
And Justin Bieber is not that good that he should be this successful for so long, yet he is. At the end of the day being "good" is not the most important quality. Image, public perception, riding trends, going viral, that stuff is important. Being good does play a part though of course

>>25404779
Are you retarded? Beiber not only was a talented singer when he started he's actually a great musician with age.

>>25404673
I honestly don't remember what the OP said, half of them are "she is a fake botter!(bait), and the other half is she is the best ever in history(bait). Both attract the same people.
But whatever, There is no reasoning if you choose yourself what stance I have in things.

>>25404837
Huh? I thought we were on the same page? Bieber is good and Salome is entertaining, but everyone knows that's not always the most important thing for popularity.

>>25404779
Justin Bieber was pushed by marketing and appealed to teenager girls. His success was through tried, tested, and proven methods.

We know what creates Vtuber success stories, /vt/ as a board actually understands the game well enough to give pretty good advice when we're not trolling or having a schizo episode.

The reason Salome makes Numberfags kneel isn't just because she has big numbers, its because she gets them without doing any of the shit we think you have to do in order to reach those big numbers, no singing streams, no endurance streams, no collab streams, no EoP pandering, NOTHING. She BTFO's Numberfagslike me because her success is inexplicable by anyone who actually cares to think about how success is generated.

Big number bring in bigger number, it's really simple, pretty much why that Korean gangnam style song stayed the most popular YouTube video for so long, i

>>25404987
She's a very popular person before vtubing you retards just don't know her because she appealed to women mostly which is why she doesn't drain people of viewers

>>25404431
You do also happen to be aware that not only is it possible to watch more than one stream at the same, but also her short streams contribute to her having little to no impact on anyone else who streams at the same time, right?
I do agree that it's odd how she exploded in popularity out of nowhere, but to blame it all on bots and newfags is literally pure coping.

>>25405090
Shot in the head mid-post, how tragic

>>25405125
Sorry, Salome accidentally press the button, her ass is too fucking big, i

>>25405112
I wouldn't need to fucking cope if there was something I could understand about how she fucking did it. People say bots because it's easier to understand than the algorithm or randomly going viral, people say newfags because the default assumption that she's stealing CCV from other streamers didn't prove true.

>>25404987
>NOTHING.
I dunno if I would define the circumstances surrounding a never before solo-debut Niji with all of the anomalies subject to conjecture, leading up to one of the strongest debuts in recent time that trended off of gore pics and left more questions than answers meaning that every subsequent stream was an event by default, as nothing.

>>25405207
Random algorithm luck is the most likely explanation given how often it happens. On top of that there's also her great design that fits an archetype everyone loves and how she sticks to it.
And then there's also how you should stop caring about numbers so much, and instead be happy about how someone who acts like an actual vtuber became popular without needing drama or desperate Chinese women.

>>25405207
Explain Gangnam style or what does the fox say then both song are not good or even unique yet they're sensational on the internet, it's really just big number make people curious, same with Pewdiepie, i don't know who the fuck he is but still had to check him out because he was the biggest on YouTube at the time

>>25405391
Her live2D is pretty shit

>exists for 1 week
>everyone praises her as the second coming of jesus
This field is all about sustainability and longevity. Let's see how long she can keep her act up and maintain her viewership.

>>25405448
Yeah but she's still a busty ojou-sama with big purple drills.

Salome in two months will have more subs than Gura and less than 10k CCV. The most dead subs of any Vtuber in history.

Screencap this.

>>25405951
>From two days to one weeks to two months
What's next, post it all already kek