/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>25346275
by your definition, all react videos are parasocial
Which is dumb but the bar is so low that i am compelled to point it out

Parasocial relationships are actually perfectly normal and in fact psychologically healthy. As humans we are built to make social connections and so when we're presented with a person through audio or video, we seek to establish a bond with them. As Cynthia Vinney, a psychology writer and scholar specializing in media psychology, previously wrote for ThoughtCo: "This response does not mean that the individuals believe the interaction is real. Despite media consumers’ knowledge that the interaction is an illusion, however, their perception will cause them to react to the situation as if it were real."

https://www.refinery29.com/en-ca/parasocial-relationships-online-cancelling-bon-appetit

>>25346590
''People like react content because they feel like they're watching or showing a video to their homie''
t,Asmongold
Trainwreck
Charlie
XQtard
etc...

>>25346275
I'm missing Enna like you wouldn't believe and it makes me feel sick I feel this way :(. I'm feeling a void in my heart and soul bros

It's not necessarily parasociality as a whole that's an issue. Since it exists as a spectrum, the issue lies at the far end where gachikoi mentality exists. If you're at that far end of the spectrum, you need to take a step back and re-evaluate your life.

>>25346590
Because it literally is motherfucker, why would you seek the feeling of watching random videos with someone that you never meet?

>>25346798
Gachikoi is fine as long as you understand, that your relationship doesn't go beyond that of a superfan. Parasocial relationships are fine as long as you are self-aware.

>>25346928
Are all reaction type videos parasocial? I watch Chef Brian Tsao react for his insight on professional cooking techniques but also because I enjoy his personality, is this parasocial?

I'm in a parasocial relationship with /vt/, I watch streams to chat about them here.

>>25347126
Do you think of him as a friend?

>>25346928
>>25346698
You could make a prerecorded react video and the output is still the same. There is no interaction which is the bare minimum to establish parasocial relationship

>>25347283
>Yeah yeah parasocial relationships are bad but Steve from Blues clues saying he was proud of me and he never forgot about me is getting me through so leave me alone.
Yeah, no. It has nothing to do with interactions.

>>25346275
>parasocial relationships are the new buzzword that is rapidly losing all meaning
>watching aTuber react to cooking videos. Parasocial
Fucking lol.

>>25347552
If you consider the aTuber a friend, then, yes. It has nothing to do with watching react videos.

>>25346275
thanks for the input

>>25347518
>And so does Dora seeking help from me against the masked thief
>Fuck that stupid bitch. I've screamed look left for 3 min straight and kept ignoring me.
Oh god, parasocial relationship with a child looking latina. I should've seen this from miles away.

>>25346953
The issue is that more often than not, people who develop that kind of relationship don't have the emotional maturity to be self-aware. Hence the fine line where one little thing can slip them into anti mentality.

>>25346275

>>25346275
If the chuuba fucks up and is supported by their fans even though they were obviously in the wrong, that's parasocial.

>>25346275
If the chuuba fucks up and the fans act like they were personally betrayed that's parasocial.

>>25346275
What's even the point of watching them if it isn't for the content? Furthermore, don't they express themselves through their content? Let's say that I'm listening to one of Inui Toko's streams, because I really like her singing/music, however she also happens to be funny/entertaining. How do you quantify how parasocial I'm being?

I think we should create a mathematical formula to help ground this issue in the realm of reason, rather than the endless expanse of opinion.

If:
X = Parasocialness
P = Personality
C = Content

Then:
X = P > C
This means that the person in question is in a parasocial relationship with the target chuuba, no questions asked.

Conversely:

X = P < C
This means that the person in question merely views said chuuba as a means of entertainment, nothing more.

This then begs the question, "how does one quantify entertainment?" Furthermore, if one enjoys the target chuuba's content and personality equally. Are they still in a parasocial relationship? What if they aren't gay and the chuuba is the same sex?

>>25347126
>I enjoy his personality
there's your answer.

>>25346275
>NijisanjiEN who is out to paint the whole industry in a bad light
This is my biggest issue with this whole debacle. Why is NijiEN so retarded? They do realize that they're shooting themselves in the foot, right? They are actively stigmatizing the community.
Not only are they preventing people from wanting to be associated with VTubing but they're also making themselves look like asses in front of the fans who are smart enough to pick up on their hypocrisy.
Why the fuck did that stupid spic have to message that braindead britbong who was retarded enough to respond to her? Nobody wins in this situation. The chuubas look like hypocrites and the fans look like psychopaths.
People do remember that the western response to the Rushia yab wasn't all just support for her right? There was a vocal amount of non-/here/ people who weren't even mentally ill fandead who thought she was a dumbass for pretty much doing it to herself for cultivating that kind of audience.
With this event, the stigma is gonna get much worse. Doesn't matter if you are a Holonigger, Nijinigger, neither, or both, you are going to be seen as the new brony.

>>25346275
There's usually a tacit understanding between both the vtuber and the audience on what relationship they have with one another. It can be as just a performer and spectators, close friends, or GFE/BFE. Both sides obviously know they'll probably never meet each other in real life and a vast majority can separate their real lives from this digital relationship they have with one another
But now we have Vox who cultured a BFE audience then went on to publicly condemn them when it was just his audience that wasn't able to make that separation. Now there's an onus on being "parasocial" and people that watch vtubers will be painted as poorly adjusted, desperate, and depraved when the relationship should actually be safe and part of the appeal

>>25346928
I honestly am parasocial not with the streamers but with the chat, and I think everyone is too. I watch react videos so I can see the chat, and when something funny or weird happens, you see everyone else respond in kind. It makes us feel alive, like we're participating in this as a group, and adds emotion to videos. Example, the Amber heard trial alone would have been so fucking boring, but watching it with a live chat where people spice it up reinforces our opinions as we realize everyone else shares it too.

I mostly watch only long informative videos if there is an audience there. I don't care about the streamer at all, and neither do most people. Why else do people watch streamers like forsen react to content when he doesn't even say anything.

VTubers are the same honestly, I can't imagine watching a streamer with no chat, it would e so boring. Perhaps if you are an EOP and only fixate on the streamer it's very different, but I think the parasocial stuff extends beyond just the streamer; it's the fact we participate in a community. It's just human

>>25355162
The public condemnation was to defend his own co workers, and he knows his audience won't leave because the schizos never think it's addressed to themselves. Now he goes back to doing his usual shtick if you take a look at his stream reservation right now. In the end it doesn't matter, as long as you don't go against the current zeitgeist like go full "right wing" you can do anything and get away with it. That should be the lesson learned.

>>25352853
>the community
Who gives a shit?

Vtubers should actually be entertaining, then this wouldn't be a problem with vtubers who have no currency other than the fact they appeal to the ugliest lonliest fuckers on the planet who just want to escape the crushing disappointment of real life.

>>25346275
Why is everyone going all semantics now? This board has been using GFE wrong for months and no one complained

>>25352853
>chuubas look like hypocrites and the fans look like psychopath
Chuuba hyporcites yes because of plain facts, but the fans just calling out what they see for what it is isn't schizo shit. That's just content creators wielding their power in order to collectively try to gaslight the audience.

This shit wouldn't fly with just about anything else if they weren't counting on the audience being a bunch of beta parasocial orbiters in order to agree with the creator stating "parasocial ... le bad." It's a grand slam of irony really. The people who are most-illogical to dispute literal fucking basic facts anyone can put together are doing it why? They're defending the creator's what exactly... honor, good name etc? Why? Because they're treating that creator like a real friend and mentally feel like they're sticking up for him/her - that, is very fucking paraosocial. There is no escaping it.

I really don't give a shit about parasocial stuff, much less GFE/BFE existing, that is a choice if a content creator wants to go down that route. However the creators cannot have their cake and eat it too, you cannot play for both teams and be like "yeah so what I've got like 100 BFE streams, it's le bad and you're a schizo for liking them" literally @ their own fucking audience and not expect it to look bad. It is literally indefensible and if you defend it that only proves flat-out that you literally do not understand the topics you're dealing with, or you're so parasocial you're willing to tolerate being victim-shamed and let them get away with it.

>>25346275
Hololive is the real blight in vtubers industry by fucking up perception of normalfag on vtubers. And now we have retard who thinking Hololive standard = vtubers standard. And then Rushia happened. And now Nijisanji who have completely different culture from Hololives tried to rectified this but they are also a fucking retard who also doesn't understand what "parasocial" mean. And Vox.
Tl;dr: NijiEn is retard but it's Hololive who started this mess to begin with.

>>25357247
Vchuubas are designed to be predatory, anon. Their entire purpose is to get lonely, desperate people get attached to them and throw money at them, the only real difference between vchuubas that do fake relationship streams and e-thots is that the ones that do shitty GFE/BFE streams want to pretend they've got some kind of moral high ground. They moralfag about "muh parasocial bad!" because they don't want to take responsibility for the schizos they attract. They want easy money but don't want the repercussions that come with it when they create shit that's specifically designed to pray on mentally ill lonely people. Corpo vchuubas are even bigger retards because not only are they living off a brand and taking advantage of the fact they have a huge ass company backing them, the moment something goes wrong they act like their some kind of innocent dindu that "didn't think this would happen" despite their entire careers orbiting around the fact they need to get people to be attached to them so they can keep getting paid.

>>25358088
Hololive is not the whole Vtubers. Keep this shit in your mind. Is Maimoto, Yashiro, Gwelu, Rion, Debi Debi look like a predator who entice lonely, desperate people?

>>25346590
They are, but there are degrees to these things. Any form of entertainment that involves putting up a persona for mass media and many types of actual fiction (lots of sitcoms for example) are going to involve parasociality to some extent, it isn't inherently wrong or bad. People here just use the term wrong. Like I mostly watch Ina for the (increasingly infrequent) art streams and because I like how chill she is while playing difficult games but it would be a bald faced lie if I told you it has nothing to do with her being cute and my desire for a simulacrum of social interaction with a cute girl. By contrast I feel most GFE/BFE vtubers are just laying it too thick, but the mechanism is the same since what all of those things I mentioned have in common is that you feel as if you are involved in a relationship (romantic or otherwise) with a person who is not actually interacting with you personally at all

>>25358430
>Hololive
Don't act like NijiEN doesn't pull this shit either, retard. Vox was unicorn farming for months and didn't say shit about his schizo fanbase until shit hit the fan, that fish bitch also does the same stuff but hey, I guess as long as you say "parasocial...bad!" on twitter dot com that'll magically stop them from being drawn to you even though you keep making content that attracts them. And yes. The whole point of a vtuber is that you get attached to them, even if they aren't doing obnoxious bait like GFE/BFE their entire purpose is to get you to keep coming back. It's not rocket science.

>>25358751
The funniest part is not even a day later the faggot puts out a paraoscial i love u stream

>>25358088
Basically yeah, the big corpos in particular pretty much need to own up that yes, on the surface, what they are doing is despicable and they are morally-repugnant people, and fucking especially so if they rely on making a living telling bald-faced BFE/GFE lies to the audience because their love lives are in fact quite satisfied without the audience at all.

I would say if you do GFE but you really-are single, then you are at best merely morally gray... Otherwise, one's heart is fucking black as coal to play with strangers' feelings for money and not even any personal fulfilment in the slightest. Ergo, most vtubers are truly lesser, smaller of people than most of their fans, I'd say. Negative drains on society. It's not that those fans are upstanding church choir boys but because the collective weight of all that accumulated manipulation of the chuuba, multiplied across hundreds of thousands of people.. I mean yeesh.

>>25358901
The point of his rant wasn't to stop people from liking him, just to accept that it's just fictional entertainment and to not send death threats to people over this

>>25358901
>>25359757
You see, fellas. Pandering to desperate people and baiting the mentally-ill and lonley is perfectly fine if you want to milk them for cash!
Vchuubas that do BFE/GFE know exactly who their doing it for but don't want to deal with the "bad apples" they intentionally cultivate and exploit. I mean, why bother when you can just cry about it on twittard and have your gullible fanbase damage control for you?

>>25346275
>nijicope

>>25346275
>NijisanjiEN who is out to paint the whole industry in a bad light.
holy shit one tweet from a barely of age zoomer with twitter brainrot and you guys get like this.

>>25347805
You've been cunnypilled anon. Congratulation

>>25346275
I do care what my oshi thinks about Kay's Cooking

>>25360389
I hope you're aware of your friendly fire

>>25360229
Doesn't change the fact he deliberately took advantage of lonely, unstable women for months just for easy money and he only addressed it AFTER it got to that point. Vox is the male vchuuba equivalent of a hot tub streaming e-thot. He does coombait for money, it's the only thing he has going for him.

>>25360690
Yeah you're right on that point, when fulgur debuted and straight up set his boundaries a lot of people here was shitting on him, but that's what vox should've done from the start, specially if he planned on doing this kind of content, he was either naive or dumb, but it did came back to bite him in the ass, and the same is true to anyone doing GFE/BFE content

>>25361066
Basically this. Vox played with fire, got burned and yet goes right back to what he was doing anyway. Only difference now is that he's got an image to keep up since people have realized he attracts schizos.
He's like a guy selling drugs while complaining about the addicts he attracts.