/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>25256381
>nijiSASEKO

the problem is that you mistake acting for reality.

>>25256381
Parasocial content is good when she gets money for it and it's bad when it means she can't slut it up and ride Vox's cock.

>>25256381
Dont forget the date streams where she actively tries to level up the parasocial levels of her fanbase in order to get more paypigs

Hololive and Nijisanji both have different ways of getting you to buy into this game.
>Hololive
Plays a character. Its the character playing a role with no attatchment to the talent. This is how hololive does its best to draw a veil which many are drawn to.
>Nijisanji
Plays as themselves. Blatantly states they aren't playing as your significant other. This is used by some as a free pass to do whatever to whoever.

Pomu should have been in Hololive

>>25256381
What happened to the last thread?

>>25256381
Parasocial behavior is good when the creator makes money and views. It’s bad when they want brownie points on Twitter and someone is slightly too attached

>>25256381
If Nijisanji didn't have double standards they'd have no standards at all

>>25256645
>Plays as themselves
DYRBLI

>>25256381
>lowest viewership whore in NijiEN barking like a mad dog
Now where have we seen that one before?

>>25256786
For the most part. Of course they have a "character," but that character is more so used opportunistically than as a code of conduct. Hence the difference .

>>25256686
reached bump limit and archived

>>25256645
>Hololive.
>Plays a character.
>Kanata, Polka, Korone, Okayu, Miko, Pekora, Nene, Laplus, etc exists.
Dyrbi?

>>25256645
>nijisanji
>plays as themselves
I'm glad we agree that Vox is a pedophile then.

>>25256645

hello person who has never seen hololive or nijisanji

>>25256381
>What the fuck is her problem?
Do you fall in love with a prostitute too?
Vtubing is a service nothing more nothing less, it would not exist if there was no money to be made.

>>25256381
Fleshtube, you coward.

>>25256966
Its about the nuance between the way it is framed from a corporate perspective.

Ah yes, a prostitute complaining about sex outsite of marriage.

>>25256989
Of course it would exist. Fame is a powerful drug. Some people would not only do it for free, they would pay money to do it. That said, those will likely be people you'll rather not watch

>pander to parasocialfaggotry
>act surprised when it blows up right your face

>>25256381

>>25256989
Look, there are hundreds of vtuber asmr girls, who spends hundreds of dollars on their setup, and stream multiple times a week, for hours, in demonetizetion hell, because the attention alone

>>25256381
Niji en basically:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lum1PGX0JLs

>>25257146
>Fame is a powerful drug
Rarely can you actually be famous and not receive money as a result, so I disagree as you can not usually divorce the two.

>>25257307
They get money from outside youtube/twitch

>>25256381
>muh parasocial bad!
>proceeds to make content that encourages parasocial behavior
What the fuck is her problem?

>>25257441
She is western women

>>25257441
You're supposed to hand over your cash and tell her she can do whatever she wants, chud. Expecting her to maintain character for the tens of thousands she rakes in for gfe is bigotry

>>25257476
>>25257482
So this is what the ENchuuba sphere is now? Holy hell....

>>25256381
I fucking can't stand her. This tweet smell the college bitch that you want to fucking punch.
>for my friiiiends
>I'm sad to see them sad
>these hurtful feelings
Fucking bitch behavior. I'm sure she's the kind of whores who send "support tweets" to ukraine, who fight for lgbt and will harass people with her ideas if no one care.
Ho my god, I wanna punch her sooo much, it's unreal

>>25257441
shut the fuck up and give the fish money so she talks about masturbating again

>>25257661
Holy fucking ESL

>>25257476
Vox is doing that as well

>>25257661
This, she reeks of 2020 pre-debut kiara when her entire online social circle revolved around virtue signaling current events for exposure
Thank god she got out of that shit, I pity all the gaslit women who stay in these crabs in a bucket friend groups

>>25257768
Vox is the male equivalent of an e-thot. It's why he tried milking more money with his creepy BF streams, he's got nothing going for him outside of being coombait for lonely women.

>>25256381
>Hey antis, just so you know, they've been sad and crying off stream
Why gift them this bit of knowledge which they'd treat as a cause for celebration?

>>25256381
>pretend
exactly, take your meds

>posts that
>less than a month after doing a stream where she pretends to be in bed with you before going to sleep
Standards are good, double standards are doubly good

>>25256981
Based, I like Vox even more now

>>25257285
>insert purple dragon + smartest shit i ever heard pic.

>>25256381

>>25258162
KEK

>>25258162
LMAO she needs to see this

I'm not a GFE fag at all but holy shit, being a Vtuber and shitting on "parasocial fucks" is beyond cringe. Finana shows what human trash she is once again. Cant wait to see her on some of the porn sites after her vtubing "career".

>>25257975
Fish has no value outside of coombaiting paypigs. She's just blowing hot air to virtue signal just like the rest of the niji en.
They'll never stop doing bait streams that attract the people they hate so much, so whenever something blows up in their faces it's on them.

>>25256381
Beta can't comprehend the Sigma grindset. I bet you think Ayame should stream more too.

>she'll be reminded of this when she produces more GFE content
>it wont faze her at all
It's all so tiresome.

>>25257975
Oh man feesh can you please think before you make tweets that could blow up in your face holy shit.

Someone please pull a Mori and superchat her calling her out on being a massive hypocrite, her reaction would be amazing

>>25256381
western women have no real moral compass, big news

>>25256381
Vox is doing the exact same thing why is every thread about him "based" instead of a hypocrite?

>>25259013
because chinese women are the scum of the earth

>>25259013
Astroturfing

...it's pretty clear what she's actually referring to, why are people twisting it into a general attack? This is reminiscent of when people tried to disingenuously push the whole Ina hating her fans thing when the entire event specifically referred to a certain kind of retard

>>25259013
Nijichinks are in control now.

>>25259144
>why are people twisting it into a general attack?
it's like an all-out war here!

>>25259013
This board is full with SEA who have an unending hate for china. anything against china and their people is good.

>>25259144
Because they're the ones being talked about.

>>25259144
This is /vt/, anon. No one will take anything in context, everything you say will be twisted into something else, and every occasion is good to stir drama. It is quite clear the type of retard Finana is addressing there, but no one here will care and they will just jump at her throat like brainless apes.

Do like I do, watch your oshi, come here just to laugh at these drama hungry fags.

>>25259211
Tell me one thing china did anything remotely good within this decade then

>>25259211
the only ones who dont hate china in the west are capitalists who think they can make money on china and tankies who think china can do no wrong, a funny combo there

>>25259144
there's nothing being twisted here, she wants to have her cake and eat it too
same as when they go on rants telling people to separate the character from the real person, before doing a 3 hour zatsudan talking about their real life

>>25259144
Because whining about schizos while doing content like >>25257975 is like whining about falling down after you trip like a retard.
>oh no, consequences of my actions are undesirable, you were supposed to just shower us in money silly unicorns/yumejo, better blame someone on twitter dot com

>>25256645
>play as themselves unlike holos who plays character to stream
guess its another nijicope list

>>25259493
>sees mountain of dynamite
>proceeds to pour gasoline on it
>lights match and throws it into mountain of gasoline covered dynamite
>it blows up in their faces
>"OMG HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN!?"
Niji en's entire situation basically.

okay is "i turned your videos on to go to sleep" meant to be a compliment or an insult

>>25259144
Yes, it is pretty clear she is using the term "parasocial" as a synonym for "obsessive", which is not what the term "parasocial" means and thus makes her either look like an idiot who doesn't know what they're talking about (she didn't know parasocial also means positive interactions too) or a hypocrite (she knew what it meant but was ignorant of the parasociality of her own interactions with her fans).
Which is it, Mr. Telepath? Tell me what Finana was thinking.

>>25259493
Or you know, who watches should understand the difference between playing a role and actually believing it to be true.
That's the whole point. GFE is an Experience, like the last letter says. Which is not reality.
So, sending death threats for an interruption in a stream is retarded. I am not saying Reimu didn't fuck up there, she did. That was a super stupid thing to do. But that does not mean she deserves to be death threatened.

>>25259713
>death threats
>a bunch of chinks speaking broken english and emojis on twitter dot com
Are these people made of wet tissue or something?

Also the GFE/BFE shit is creepy, stupid and it only exist specifically to cater to people who are delusional enough to attached to these hacks.
Do you think this is meant for anyone other then paypigs who want coombait? Their baiting and anything that comes from it is their own fault for doing in the first place.

>>25256381
>>25257441
We all told you this would happen. Western women getting into vtubing was a mistake.

>>25257661
>This tweet smell the college bitch
Go to bed, SEAmonkey.

>>25259923
The center of the entire debacle is a western male doing BFE

>>25256381
Show me when Finana fans ever attacked anyone over this shit.

>>25259713
Or you know, people streaming shouldn't knowingly do shit that has a 100% chance of spawning schizos with death threats. They can talk all they want about how they don't want schizos and only sensible gachikoi are allowed, it won't change a damn thing. When you trip and think "this is going to suck" it doesn't magic the fucking gravity away and your face is still about to kiss the ground. The chuubas can either stop baiting gachikoi or accept and try to mitigate the consequences, but some of them want neither to lose the money nor to be their audience's therapist. And they get fucking praised for being so stunning and brave. Funny how it works.

>>25257441
Yeah, when talking about parasocial experiences, people have a slight mix-up in terminology. It's actually normal and really mundane to be parasocial, but obsessive weirdos don't recognize the difference between a parasocial and social experience. They might logically understand that they are different, but that's not what their emotions tell them.

>>25256381
>we live to cope
BAHAHAHAHAHA

>>25259900
>It's the old "bro just walk away from the screen lmao" episode
I know you might be tough and manly anon, but that does not mean everyone reasons like that. Lucky you that you can brush off waves of hate like it's nothing.
And "ignoring the hate" is quite difficult when your daily job revolves around internet and your image in it.

As for GFE, it is up to how you approach it. You have to jeep in mind it is not real. It's just entertainment. That's how I see it.

>>25259365
Making burgers seethe

>>25260012
That's retarded. It's like saying you should not do any activity that will also attract retards.
It's the internet anon, everything you do will always attract tards and manchildren. The point is to cultivate a fanbase that isolates and rejects said retards.
Because there are many people who simpky enjoy the streams and don't sperg like an ape at every little thing.

It has risks? Yes, many. It is obvious that you'll regularly attracts retards with that type of content. But that does not mean you should not do it.

>>25260180
So she was basically just a weak pussy that couldn't handle chingchongs saying mean things in chinklingo? Got it.

This whole situation was over nothing and the GFE/BFE shit is still creepy and 100% will continue to attract mentally ill people. No one is going to care how much they advertise "parasocial bad" their entire careers are based on weirdos getting attached to them and throwing money at them. It's the internet. You'd have to be a dumbass to think you wouldn't attract weirdos with shit like that.

>>25260303
No, it's like saying you should not do any activity that will also attract retards if you are going to whine about attracting retards like a little bitch.
>there are many people who simpky enjoy the streams
Only potential psychopaths enjoy BFE/GFE roleplay ASMR.

>>25260392
This. Its like retards who feed trolls and then think why trolls are still around. Stop feeding the people you don't want to be around.

>>25260382
>weak pussy
It's because of people like you that cyberbullying will bever be taken seriously.
For the GFE thing, yes it can get creepy. But as I see it, it's just playing a role. Different opinions that's all.
>>25260392
There is a deep difference between whining and asking people to stop sending death threats.
Of course I blame finana here too, the feesh just had to write that in the most zoomer like, retarded way possible. She is dumb as a brick for that.

>>25256381
she shoved the recorder in too far and it went all the way to her brain

>>25256381
>buy my voicepacks
>buy
>implying
Even tho I sailed the high seas and got it for free, I feel like I should be paid for even listening to that shit. It was so horrendously cringe it felt like a complete waste of time and bandwidth that could be used for more useful stuff.

>>25260056
Basically parasocial experiences can be just like real one. Some are wholesome while some are toxic.
Their relationship with their viewers, even when not romantic, are parasocial per definition.

>>25260303
>Because there are many people who simpky enjoy the streams and don't sperg like an ape at every little thing.
That's great. Are you one of these people? If so that's fine too. But do you, a non obsessed watcher ever open your wallet because of these streams? That's the key distinction

>>25256966
Do you honestly think that Pekora was adding "Peko" to her sentences before Hololive?

>>25260649
Cyberbullying would have been more affective if the threats weren't literally just chinks sperging on twittard with ESL level english. Most of those were actually really fucking funny.

Yes, GFE/BFE is creepy. Which you seem to understand, but I definitely don't like them doing it even if their just role playing, their practically inviting weirdos to come to them then they complain and cry about the autist they attract. Either just drop it and do something else or milk it like you mean it. Their preaching to the choir while doing the thing that gets them these crazies in the first place.

>>25260180
>You have to jeep in mind it is not real. It's just entertainment. That's how I see it.
The problem is, no one does this. The ones who "keep this in mind" are usually the ones not tossing money for it.

>>25260775
I donated to her, yes.
And I know someone who enjoys deeply her GFE content, donates, but knows well it is just a play to soothe loneliness.
It's all up to simply understanding that.

Vtubing is an odd mix between a hobby and a job. You basically transform a hobby you like into your job, too. That's why the line between the two is so thin.
And it is why so many people don't understand it fully.

>>25260732
It's certainly refreshing to see such a good take on the subject.

>>25260876
Yeah, true. But some of them were legit unsettling. I saw someone tweet like a chain of insults and threats like it was nothing. That hurts, no matter how much you tell yourself it's just a chink tard.

While I understand your point of view, I do think it's possible to keep a GFE thing up healthily. It is all a matter of educating your fanbase. And again, Finana is to blame here. That tweet is worded extremely poorly. Typical zoomer brain.
>>25260885
Not true. You simply don't notice them because they don't yell for attention and don't sperg on comments or twitter. I never comment and yet I have gifted some bucks to the feesh in the past.

>>25260702
Voicepacks done by en vchuubas sounds like they'd be some really cringey shit.

>>25256381
attention whore ex e-girl erp performer who lives with her fucking parents and won't mentally grow up.
she's worse than the people here.

>>25256989
>Do you fall in love with a prostitute too?
You have no idea how old that real life story is, do you?

>>25260874
>adding a cute, anime like gobi means she’s a professional method actress playing a fictional character masterfully.
You faggots are even more deranged than the unicorns most of you love to berate.

>>25257285
>purple dragon image with a good post
wtf???
real???

>>25257146
Not just "would", but "do", if you count expenses such as commisioning models. And I absolutely do want to watch some of them, because when they do it as a hobby alongside having an actual day job, that means they're more interested in having fun than making money from it.

>>25259713
>theehee it's just a character
Okay then the money should go to the character IE the company.

>>25256381
They never pass up an opportunity to fan the flames to a problem that could be solved by closing twitter

>>25261486
Better yet, if it's just an entertainment service then it should be sold as such with TOS and shit. Pretending that they are not selling and the audience is not buying is the oldest idolnigger industry trick in the book.

>>25261486
Ok that is fully retarded.
It's like saying an actor should not be payed because he is just playing a character, so the money shall go to the company who created the character only.
What the fuck?

>>25261514
>virtue signal about "muh parasocial problem"
>continue to do more shit that attract said parasocial problem
This is funny at least. Like watching someone who hates water and can't swim jump into the ocean.

>>25259654
Yeah she chose the wrong word. She's parasocial with her fanbase, almost all vtubers all to some degree. Nothing wrong with that as long as you don't take it too far and go schizo.

>>25261687
Just imagine that there is a money bag on the ocean floor and it makes sense.

>>25261574
Yeah the whole thing is highly disingenuous.
>>25261595
Correct. Actors do not get the box office money that a movie they're in makes. They get paid a regular salary. When it's the same for vtubers maybe you'll have a leg to stand on.

>>25261755
And the same applies to voice packs, doesn't it?
Just like a movie, it gets recorded once and then it's done, no matter how well it sells. Streaming involves producing new content consistently, so that's not really comparable.

>>25261755
Go write a letter to Anycolor and Cover then. Thats not my problem.
Reminder that no one forces you to donate. That's why it is not selling anything, as selling implies being forced to pay.
I don't see you go buy a fridge and being told "oh it costs 500 bucks but only if you want to, you can get it for free" you know?
Then yes, I of course see it is organised to push people to donate, but that's still not selling anything.

>>25261958
I think it's more on the fact their making content that not only panders to people with attachment issues but they keep making it thinking people won't get attached to them.
If you continue to feed a bear it associates you with food and then you just end up with a bear coming back to you expecting to be fed. They can't complain about this shit if this is how they make money off lonely people.

>>25256645
>Hololive
>Plays a character.

>>25259493
>look what she was wearing
I want incels to leave.

I'm a big fan of hers and I watch her together with my wife and her boyfriend. U mad?

Breaking News: Local Pedobait Likes Money!

>>25262353
Why would Tyrone watch shitty en chuubas?

>>25256500
The problem is that you're mistaking hypocrisy for intended acting. Not all chuubas are smart.

>>25257441
Note that she is only attacking the vox fans

>>25262084
And Reimu having to face the fujo outrage is not my problem. She should shut the fuck up and deal with it somehow. I don't want useless talents who can't avoid controversy to drag my favorites into retarded drama caused by her brain problems. I am here to be entertained and to be entertained only and I don't care that vtubers often end up knee deep in proverbial shit, I still watch them because I'm a fucking idiot. After all MY favorite vtubers never end up in shit. Why can't every vtuber be a good professional like that? And if I don't get the experience I want from this interaction then I am going to be outraged and spam "Reimu = whore" threads on /vt/ and try to gather a flash mob to flame her for being such a shitty human bean.
Feeling the attitude yet?

>>25256381
She just needs Reimu to stay so she doesn't have the lowest average viewers in the branch.

>>25262170
Making GFE content isn't quite the same as pandering to people with attachment issues. It wouldn't be a problem if the audience could properly distinguish fiction from reality. Unfortunately, many of them can't so one of them leads into the other, but that doesn't mean having to tolerate harassment or threats against other talents who happen to break the illusion (Reimu).
Could and should they see this coming? Absolutely.
Does that make Finana a hypocrite? Not really.

>>25256381
I-I thought we were the target audience...

>>25262688
But she still has Rosemi to fall back on

>>25262808
Rosemi is slightly ahead of Fish. It's that bad.

>>25262736
>Does that make Finana a hypocrite? Not really.
>retarded fish preaching about "muh parasocial" while doing shit that attracts parasocial people for money
Sounds like a hypocrite to me. Either she drops that shit and does something that isn't bait or she admits she's just milking people instead of getting uppity.

>>25259144
No.
She's referring to the fact that people are mad at reimu for being on vox's channel.
When in any other scenario where the girl is the dominant one and the male gets attacked for being on a girls stream (hololive), she wouldn't give a shit.

BTW, wtf does "L + Ratio" mean?

>>25263367
L is "take the Loss"
Ratio is when you get more replies or dislikes compared to likes showing that people disagree with you more than they like you.

Basically zoomer speak for "your opinion is wrong because most people disagree"

>>25263427
Is finana a chink? This is some bugman mentality

>>25263459
Nah, she's just a twittard and a hypocrite like the rest of chinksanji.
They practically live on twitter which is why they don't talk or act like normal people.

>>25263459
Women are bugmen
Most women follow what the majority of other women are doing unless they've had their mind changed due to loving a male. Than they conform to that male.
You'll see some zoomer men use this too.

>>25263459
Twitter retards are bug-like in a way

>>25257661
Holy based ESL

>>25256500
Exactly
The whole vtubing is acting, yet she put her personal feeling into this
All while still want people to consume her product (content)

>>25262915
Only if you equate making said content with "attracting parasocial people", which I'm not sure she does.

>>25263745
In that case she's just retarded.

finachan's tweets give me a boner every time
I don't even watch her

>>25263773
Bingo.
That fish bitch is just a retard that wants money and attention nothing more nothing less.

>>25263142
Women in a nutshell.

All the retards in this thread took the L , exactly who she was talking about

>>25266338
I guess that means your included since your here. Welcome my fellow loser. We're practically brothers.

>>25257661
based jungle warrior

>>25263142
True

Most of you guys' arguments are tenous. You want to lift the onus of responsibility from yourselves/viewers by playing the
>i'm just a lonely little nerd, how can you blame me for getting attached
The degree of parasociality Finana alludes to is obviously unhealthy - being in love with a vtuber. That's what most vtubers will reference as those people can negatively impact their work. Vtubers at most get a confidence boost, attention and feel desired from the parasocial exchange.
I do get that it's hypocritical to make content that encourages parasocial behaviour, but I think chuubas see it as just lightly flirting with the audience. The fact that the audience can't simply enjoy flirting for what it is, a shallow feeling of being desired, is the audience's problem.
Yes, it's true parasocial shit is an inextricable part of this business, but Finana and every other vtuber that dunks on "parasocial fucks" obviously means people in love with their oshis. If you are wise, even as an untouched virgin being shown affection for the first time you can recognize this is an opportunity for maturing emotionally - if you feel things for the anime girl being nice to you, you'll feel things for fucking anyone. Learn to control that.

>>25267359
A chuuba’s hands typed this

"Parasocial relationships are only good when is fattening my pockets"

-Finana

>>25267359
>Learn to control that
>expecting control from mentally ill people on the internet
Yeah, good luck with that. If they want to keep enabling parasocial stuff then I don't have to feel bad for them.

>>25267480
That’s how they make money bruh, so of course there needs to be justification for it when it’s livelihoods on the line, i know i would continue to milk the poor saps.

>>25256381
>Finana
>parasocial

LMAO we are just having fun with our retarded coomer mermaid it's nothing even similar to retarded fujo autists.

>>25267602
Exactly my point. These hacks are just milking and grooming gullible people into throwing money at them. It's there whole profession, the fact they complain about literally the easiest job on the planet that contributes nothing to society is what makes them autist. I'll never feel bad for these shits and anything that happens to them is their own fault.

There is no reason to watch this person if not for some surrogate friend or gf. Other streamers can get away with muh parasocial bad because they actually stand on their own merits as entertainers; from what I’ve seen from her she had zero talents or skills that make her worth watching.

>>25267662
Tell that to her fan discord who are all waiting for their chance to woo the horny neet girl

>>25267446
>>25267480
>no argument
You are pathetic if you can't even take responsibility for what you feel.

>>25267359
I closed my heart off to everyone and everything as to not get emotionally hurt anymore and now I don't feel anything.

I am actually quite envious for anyone that can immerse themselves with a BFE/GFE vtuber as to have feelings of love with them, because they still have those emotions

VTubers help me with that, even if its a little but, so I don't think its an entirely bad thing to be a little bit emotionally invested into someone that you watch.

>>25267662
>Finana
>parasocial
>joins fancord and plays games with them
>mega autists call her their literal god and would lick the ground she steps on

shit writes itself

>>25267980
That's not parasocial though

>>25267840
People have been saying this shit the entire thread, you retard.
The nijishits are farming parasocial money, they end up enabling mentally unstable weirdos then complain they end up with them.
It's their fault for being dumbasses and starting it in the first place, it's not anyone else's problem but their's. If they don't want it to happen then don't do it. This is the internet. What do you expect?

>>25256381
I don't see a problem here, even though i think its pathetic, there is surely a cuck market out there.

>>25267782
Fish is coombait and that's basically her only appeal. She's useless for everything else.

>>25257548

>>25268199
Right.

>>25268199
What is parasocial then? Enlighten me.

>>25267359
Both the chuba and audience are usually at fault for these types of relationships, the issue (at least for me) is that the chubas will always dump the full responsibility onto the viewers without recognising that boyfriend/girlfriend streams, calling the viewers husband/wife, flirting, voicepacks and making merch like wedding rings etc... is, if I may be so bold, mayhaps ever so slightly part of the problem

>>25268570
This suggest that vtuber fans is equal to 5 years old delusional disney kids.

>>25268892
Yeah?

>>25268892
That's being generous

>>25256381
I bet someone in NijiEN discord talked her into it knowing how cringe that statement would be kek.

>>25260874
Do you think finana was calling herself a fish before niji? Stupid bitch

>>25268855
This. The chuubas are always dumping their blame on the people they bait and once they get overly attached crazies they act like they didn't do anything to cause it. It's shitty as hell, the GFE/BFE streams are creepy and exist just to farm parasocial money but it's somehow not the chuuba's fault when shit hits the fan.

>>25268758
>>25268800
Engagement rings, personal messages, gf roleplay

>>25269086
I doubt it, she is retarded enough to come up with it herself.

>>25269157
That is GFE and sure it's a branch of parasocial relationship, but its far from everything.

>>25267359
>you’re bad with emotions? yeah, just don’t be, it’s literally that simple
Talk about not knowing your audience.

>>25269157

>>25256381
B/GFE is only bad if you can't commit to it and end up angering your fans even though it's the easiest fucking thing in the world to avoid.

>>25269157
She literally does do dating roleplay. But I guess she needs to literally sell engagement rings before it counts?

>>25267460
"I suck cocks"

-OP

>>25268199
Technically discord e-girls also cultivate parasocialism, just in different form than those of idols.

>>25269307
>fish is a hypocritical retard that can't find a real job
Does she have any talent?

>>25268269
What a shit argument. You don't fucking need to do parasocial shit to get legit mentally ill people to target you or fall in love with you. If you just wanna spout that edgy bullshit, just be upfront about it. I don't think they are at fault for doing parasocial shit because ANYTHING can be considered parasocial shit unless you have a script that sticks to kayfabe and only that.
I do blame them for not tard wrangling properly. And this isn't even Finana's problem, retard. She is merely expressing support and discontent towards parasocial faggots, or ugly chinks in this case, that feel that way towards Vox.

I think I can see now where people are coming from with calling this hypocrisy. She'll never be as based as Vox and say the quiet part out loud to her own fans.

>>25269474
There's a difference between it just happening and encouraging it dumb shit.
No one would blame Jadenanimation for their parasocial audience because they don't intentionally encourage it. Finana and much of nijicn do actively encourage it in order to line their pockets

>>25269474
She's being a hypocrite and a retard much like you are. Any chuuba that does GFE or BFE, date streams, etc. is just asking for crazies. It's not anyone's fault when they get mogged by mentally ill weirdos, they pandered and now they reap what they sow. Don't be a little bitch about it just because your trying to justify your chuuba's parasocial farming.
Can people not get attached after listening to their shitty roleplay streams? Sure. Will parasocial weirdos go away? No.
Also Vox was braindead for trying to unicorn farm and then pretend like Reimu called him like the faggot he is. That entire shitshow was pointless and would have never happened if he just ignored her and kept going.

>>25269631
>be as based as Vox
>Probably

>>25269474
>I don't think they are at fault for doing parasocial shit because ANYTHING can be considered parasocial shit
Great, except the streamers in question literally do explicit GFE/BFE and then complain that people take it seriously. They want to have their cake and eat it too, to get the money and attention this stuff brings but not the backlash.

>>25269631
>based
>Vox
>man who keeps pandering to chinks for money and doing parasocial shit even after the chinkout
Yeah, sure.

>>25263459
Shes hmong, so possibly?

> Great, except the streamers in question literally do explicit GFE/BFE and then complain that people take it seriously. They want to have their cake and eat it too, to get the money and attention this stuff brings but not the backlash.

>>25268892
Some of them very likely are 5 year old delusional disneyfags

>>25267359
I understand what she is actually referring to when she says "parasocial fucks", however I disagree with the use of term parasocial as being synonymous with only extreme, negative and obsessive instances of it as using the term in this way is an inaccurate generalization of the true definition of the term and an online personality like herself misusing terminology promotes this inaccurate usage of it. All I expect from her is an explicit clarification, for the sake of her braindead simp fans if nothing else.

>>25270038
>can't justify their streamer parasocial farming
>resorts to shitty jpg. like a retard
Amazing. So this is what parasocial chuuba shills are like.

>>25270141
Shut the fuck up or I will shut you down.

>>25256500
Finana isn't smart enough to put on a convincing act. Reimu is though.

>>25267446
i accept your concession holocel

>>25270237
I'm literally shaking, anon. Absolutely terrified even.

>>25256381
After all this talk of shitting on parasocial people, i feel weird and uncomfortable for trying to enjoy my oshi now. Help

>>25267757

maybe post this on twitter and try to get some likes for it

>>25256381
>shit on parasocial chuds
>cant find a real job w/o them

>>25270348
Have a better oshi, one who doesn’t emotionally manipulate you and then blames you for being manipated.

>>25270348
Just don't be the retard that fell in love with a prostitute.

>>25270348
watching too much Hololive idolshit alienated you, you need to watch more indies and western vtubers

>NijiEN wants schizos to stop sending death threats over role-playing
>/vt/ takes massive offense

>>25270536
>[misrepresentation of the situation]
>[follow-up zinger]

>>25256381
feels good to be a JPfag

>>25270536
>/vt/ offers workable method for NijiEN to reduce the number of schizos sending death threats
>people take massive offense because it's "not their responsibility"

>>25270348
"Being parasocial" doesn't mean you need to be a stupid asshole flaming people on twitter or delusional enough to think they're your girlfriend for realsies, just think about how you'd treat any other person and do the same for Ms. Strimmer and her friends, it's not that difficult.

>>25267839
He used "we", anon. They're one of the people trying to groom her.

>>25270536
But the ones sending death threats are the chinese, their core audience. And 4chan is blocked in mainland china

>>25256381
Wait, didn't this bitch literally JUST do a ASMR stream for the first time last week?

>>25270862
This is just roleplaying, nothing to see here. Also, advertising doesn't on me.

>>25270730
>/vt/ offers workable method for NijiEN to reduce the number of schizos sending death threats
What, the only method /vt/ offers that i know of is dousing Vox's home with bug repellent. Care to share more of /vt/ great advice?

>>25270998
It's very simple: if you don't want people to think you're their boyfriend/girlfriend, don't tell them you're their boyfriend/girlfriend. If you do, you have no one to blame but yourself for what happens.

>>25270730
>NijiEN in a nutshell
They pander to crazies, get mogged by crazies and then act like they didn't do anything to start it.

>>25262353
Black men don't watch vtubers silly goose

>>25271086
but that's accountability you retard

>>25257661
Based ESL. Good morning, I too hate women.

>>25271534
Your right. Vchuubas can never be held accountable for the cesspits they make, honest mistake.

>>25256381
>seriously tho, L + Ratio + ur cringe
Anyone who talks like this deserves to be shot

>>25256381
she is a woman please understand

>>25270998
How about admitting you have a boyfriend, or have slept with many men in your life or admit you would never sleep or love anyone in your audience and this is a roleplay
Oh but wait, that would make them less money

>>25271985
You fell off

>>25267359
Vtuber know well what they are doing and are the main culprit. Have you ever seen a girl whom openly flirt with any stranger on the street and is not a shady vendor? Also keep in mind that seduction and temptation exist which is the main tool in this industry. Even if you are sane the way they keep pushing it is designed so one day when you are weak, they rub a soft spot and turn you into a gachi.
They are not enabling, they are instigating unhealthy shit. Most of the fault on this issue resides in them, if not them remember the shit about you did and everyone else before this fad.

>>25271985
Based. Twittershits are subhumans.

>>25272126
>How about admitting you have a boyfriend, or have slept with many men in your life
This would kill every gfe/bfe vtuber in existence since 3D is PD.
>or admit you would never sleep or love anyone in your audience and this is just a roleplay
This is what Vox's just do, let's see how this play out.

>>25256381
There's nothing more amusing than streamers complaining about parasocial people, coomers or creeps. The level of self-deception is on another level. Seriously, I hope some psychology student does a study on this phenomenon or something because it's genuinely interesting how you can willingly choose to become a vtuber while actively hating the people that actually makes it a sustainable career. The cognitive dissonance is mind-blowing.

>>25271985
If you look at the replies you'll find people that are even worse.

>>25272342
>This would kill every gfe/bfe vtuber in existence since 3D is PD.
No GIRKS in nijiEN is GFE but they wont admit they have a partner? Despite going into heavy detail about their family and social life? Hmmm, its almost like they want to deceive their audience for unicorn money

>>25256381
>What the fuck is her problem?
You've never hugged a woman and you're making that her problem.

>>25272487
>GIRKS
Is this a complex protein name

>>25267359
It doesn't appear as though you understand the problem. Somehow you understand that GFE/BFE chuubas are often hypocrites, yet you still get to the point that it is just the consumer's fault (what with claiming that its simply on the audience to control their emotions and vtubers are allowed to bank off of the ego boost unabated). However, no one is actually lifting the onus away from the viewers who fell for the bait (seriously, are you new? have you never been on this board until today?). Rather, people are giving the hypocritical chuubas the appropriate amount of chastising relative to the insane amount of sociopathy they exhibit.
The point is, as you, yourself, noted, chuubas will bank off their own parasocial relationships with their viewers and then turn around and shit on said parasocial relationships (usually by deflecting and refusing to call what they like and do as parasocial). That's why Finana is a dumb, unself-aware hypocrite (befitting of her age): she, like other vtubers, want to have their cake and eat it too. You CANNOT, perform in an environment where you lean into and bait a parasocial market and then try to split hairs about the audience you bring in. Any schizo that comes to you is your problem just as much as it is the schizo's. Mindlessly trying to reverse course and deflect blame back onto the audience, solely, is something these chuubas only do to protect their personal and social identity from being seen as an enabler for the ever-derogative "parasocial" behavior they claim to hate. I find this mindset bullshit. If they're targeting down the "bad apples" (as Vox put it), sure that's fine. But don't pretend as though you don't actively cultivate and grow those bad apples when you actively lean into making them.
Also, like Finana, you failed to express your point correctly. No one can actually control their emotions. Telling people to be less emotional is simply retarded. The appropriate argument is to say people need to "control their actions IN SPITE of their emotions". For example, if someone pushes you on the ground, but you don't want to fight, you'll still get mad/frustrated/irritated. The emotional reaction is inevitable, but you don't need to retaliate.
Lastly, "I think chuubas see it as just lightly flirting with the audience" is a truly disingenuous statement considering the wide breadth of intimate things different chuubas will do to bait parasocial responses. Haha, date stream and your my boyfriend/girlfriend, haha here's an engagement ring to show off our marriage, haha here's you kiss goodnight sweety, etc. The people that are targeted as hypocrites aren't w/in the light end of the parasocial category. Don't try and display them as such. Otherwise, these GFE/BFE chuubas are the epitome of disingenuous (if you're right and chuubas only think this behavior is "lightly flirting").

tldr: I've little sympathy for any vtuber or streamer that leans into parasocial relationships but also goes on twitter to dunk on parasocial relationships for social credit. Own up to your bullshit. People who buy into the service are free to leave if the service turns out to be bad, but at no point are they allowed to retaliate to poor service with death threats/harassment.
We square?

>>25272633
>woman who can't find a real job complains about her paypigs while making girlfriend bait streams
If this is the kind of woman she is then holy fuck she's bottom of the barrel.

>>25272823
So basically short version: Fish is a retard and a hypocrite just like the rest of niji en. Correct?

>>25272823
You're too good for this board

>>25256645
So Ina and Mumei’s actual character is just being boring?

>>25256381
This is incredibly ironic coming from Finana with the 2nd most parasocial fanbase, Elira being the first. People are even giving her shit in the comments on twitter.

>>25257661
Based mudhut inhabitant

>>25272823
The issue is people act as if all these vtubers are completely ignorant of how their content is perceived and what kind of viewership it attracts. You cannot seriously tell me that Vox didn't know making a bunch of thirstbait content and playing up that type of character would attract people who were mentally ill. He knew what would happen, but just thought he could keep the situation under control and therefore make money off it, but there will always be a subsection of fans who think this is somehow an unexpected occurrence that he had no way to predict.
Yes there will always be a small number of unavoidable parasocial viewers who will interpret literally anything a streamer does as GFE/BFE. But that doesn't mean every parasocial viewer is unavoidable and I would go so far as to say that MOST are avoidable. If you don't want parasocial viewers then don't make parasocial content and for the most part the community will filter them out. But you can't bait them in and complain when they join your community

>>25268199
If you are an entertainer, and you interact with your audience in any intimate way other than thanking them for their support, that is textbook pear a social

>>25269307
kek this should be copypastad on twitter

>>25263459
>>25263531
It’s an Asian thing

>>25273548
One of those accounts that scrapes content from here just did.

>>25270237
Go get knotted by a roided pitbull you disgusting disingenuous faggot

>>25267662
Spotted the creepy discord groomer

>>25270524
You mean the exact opposite you absolute fucking mong. One will hang out in discord and share slutty pics of their irl self and the other is just being an entertainer.

>>25267782
This is correct. She had a gamer appeal for a little bit but started playing those awful Chinese gacha games and fell into a slump of GFE low effort content and shitty games.

>>25272823
It's nice for once to see arguments that aren't just about flinging shit at one another, almost like there can be civil discussion on the internet for once.

>>25272823
Damn that was actually well written

>>25273088
>like the rest of niji en
Not Selen. And from what I've seen, Uki is just here on his crusade for cock and music.

>>25272823
based blogposter

>>25256381

When finana had her debut i thought she was just pretending to be retarded. Eventually i came to the conclusions shes a 62 iq bimbo.

>>25273466
Vox absolutely knew what he was doing. He was unicorn farming for months and the whole thing was exactly what anyone with a brain would have expected.
Any vchuuba that does GFE or BFE shit is most likely completely aware of what their doing and bank off it since it's what lines their pockets and all their virtue signalling about "parasocial bad!" is just their way of saving face ones crazies start losing it. They don't care as long as they can keep profiting from parasocial shit, all their preaching is just shallow moralfagging to look good to gullible retards on twitter.

Wonder if any of the niji livers resent Vox for his shitty fanbase causing drama every week. Reimu is just the first time it blew up for people outside to take notice.

>be a streamer
>insult parasocial people
Woman moment.

>>25273941
They probably will suck it up because he makes the most chinkbucks. Vox is their cashcow and his shit fanbase is what lines their pockets, so they can't really complain as long as they get to benefit.

ITT nobody knows what a parasocial relationship is

>>25274268
Explain it then, anon.

It's always fascinating to see Vtubers criticise parasocial relationships, especially corporate ones that do GFE/BFE shit.
Corporate vtubers that do GFE/BFE actively exploits a customer base which obviously contains mentally unstable people. It comes with the territory. In a way, they are agents of a corporation that profits from loneliness, but don't want to face any negative consequences for such a business and profiting off of it. It's like an arms dealer taking offense at people criticizing their roles in armed conflicts.
Ultimately, there's an individual responsibility to each viewer not to be retarded, sure. People should take Vtubers as entertainers only and whatever, but that's irrelevant: doing BFE/GFE garantees people that will be retarded. You need those people, because they are the one that will give you the most money and they're the one making the whole endeavour profitable.
Any Vtubers that don't realise that and tries to stop this phenomenon is doomed to fail.

>>25256381
She'll back peddle when it affects her income, they always do.

>>25256381
What part of "PRETEND" in your post dont you understand OP?

Lmao retard gottem

>GFE bad
>but please buy my voice pack where I act like your girlfriend

>>25256381

>>25275505
Maybe english isnt your first language, but shes saying parasocial bad, buy my voice pack.

>>25275046
Corporate vchuubas look the dumbest when they try to moralfag honestly. Their entire job is to make people attached to them and then milk them for money, if they hate parasocial shit then they should quit and get a real job, but nah, they'll keep pandering for money then complain about their audience on twitter dot com to satisfy their lazy egos.

>>25275598
parasocial = gfe

>>25275046
Good explanation

>>25271985
It has to be ironic right? right??? surely no one actually thinks this sounds hard

>>25275631
parasocial is what happens in your head, gfe what other person roleplays as. Its like saying "i was motivated to shoot up a school because i read a fantasy book about jews wanting to replace my race via magic, so its the books fault, not mine" Of course its your fault.

>>25256381
Which hololive EN would actually value my viewership, already unsubbed from the bitch fish

>>25275742
It isn't exactly magic.

>>25275742
You're retarded.
Finana is literally doing the whole "I'm your girlfriend" thing time and time again for her viewers. Whether it's voice packs or her ASMR or romantic tweets.
Then she goes and calls people who feel romantically about a vtuber cringe and stupid when that is exactly what she is playing into and asking for by doing all those things.

>>25275046
The entire business model literally only survives on the mercy of parasocial consumers. Paywalled streams can be restreamed, vtuber merch is much cheaper if you make it yourself or buy it from third-parties, you can't add DRM to voice packs and other digital content without making them objectively worse than their pirated verions, and you have the pick of the litter from fan artists for any art you might want. The only truly exclusive thing any streamer offers is their unique responses to your unique messages, and the only way that has any value above talking to another random dude in chat is if you already have a parasocial bond to the streamer.
The funniest thing is seeing indies who mindlessly ape the keychain t-shirt stuff without knowing how it works and then turn around and denounce parasocial relationships. Like lady, do you really think no one knows they're getting ripped off? Why do you think they're okay with getting ripped off?

the word parasocial has lost all meaning

>>25275767
Just pick whoever you like the most. Personally I prefer the JP branch but their more fun to watch if you speak Japanese.

>>25275812
I think this would have gone over a little bit better if she had made it clear she’s talking about Vox’s fans, because she really does bait gfe hard.

>>25275812
Shes clearly saying people who take it too far are stupid. Which im sure you agree to too. If i wanted to do BFE for money i would, but i wouldn't want some whale stuffing her blubber into my mailbox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6UP_6lAWXI

finana was right

>>25275742
If you write a book promoting Great Replacement theory, you are not responsible for someone shooting up a school, but you are responsible for them believing in the Great Replacement. Similarly, if you tell viewers you are their bf/gf, you are not responsible for people sending death threats to your coworkers, but you are responsible for them believing you are their bf/gf.

>>25256381
I don't like parasocial/GFE fucks either, but they're the ones that pay the bills. You have to learn how to deal with them if you want to make money as a vtuber.
Why is feesh so dumb? I thought her and others would take lesson from Bao that twitter points don't count in the real world.

>>25276083
She has no viewers. There is nothing to lose except drag Vox down with her

>>25275931
The last part of his rant isn’t wrong, those parasocial desperate weebs are the ones who keep your favorite vtuber streaming.

I see that the femoid damage control brigade is here.
>no no, she didnt do anything wrong, its all on you!
Women cant stand victim shaming, unless of course the perceived victims are men.

>>25275934
How so? Surely the author put "all characters and events are fictional etc". to rid himself of all legal responsibilities. And Im sure its obvious a talking anime fish is not gonna pick you from 2000 people to have a relationship with. To ignore that seems akin to ignoring common sense. Maybe lets not lower the bar even further for how seriously we have to take stupid peoples antics.

>>25276083
You have to keep in mind she's incredibly dumb, and it's not an act. She's legit low-IQ and is just sort of going along with the crowd because she isn't capable of thinking for herself.

>>25276083
If you don't like them that's fine, but then you can't go and simultaneously play into those exact things. That makes you retarded and hypocritical.
Suisei for example doesn't like it either but she does none of it and even straight up tells people not to fall for her.

>>25276083
Dumb girl feeds off of attention and twitter

>>25275742
>comparing shitty streamers that do coombait content to get lonely crazies on the internet to like them and throw money at them to school shootings
You do know those aren't remotely the same things, right?
If the book inspired someone to shoot up a school but that wasn't the intended purpose then of course it's the autist at fault for shooting up a school. But vchuubas like fish bitch literally base their entire careers on baiting and milking people for money by praying on their loneliness and attachment. Do you really think that won't attract crazies?

>>25276180
>"Suisei: I don't want a parasocial relationship with my audience."
>"Also Suisei: I'm not inviting Anemachi to my streams for some sister hilarity because I only want the focus to be on me!"

>>25256381
no one cares, yeat just dropped a new album

>>25276277
Those things don't contradict each other. She wants to be an idol you look at and listen to when she's on the stage. She doesn't want to be your gf or have you draw porn of her.

>>25276156
You can say they're ignoring common sense but stuff like love and romance is inherently irrational. You're playing with people's deepest instincts and you've got no one to blame but yourself if they end up taking it seriously.

>>25276277
She's a schio plz understand

>>25276083
Sometimes I think Cover hired Anya to have a holo with as little parasocial attraction as possible, just to use as a benchmark

>>25276233
Of course it will. So fish is doing right by telling them to fuck off. Its a bit of a house cleaning act. Its like those moments when some e-someone says something political and part of the fanbase get offended and proclaim that theyre leaving because of that one little thing. Its good to cleanse yourself from the weak. Though with crazy retards that can just invite obsessive spite-watching and hate-supas.

>>25256381
i thought she was making a joke where she was calling her original tweet cringe

>>25276277
Because Suisei takes her vsinging seriously and her moments of her dicking around with her sister would just make her channel look like a mess. There's a reason why Kanata and Nene have been following her lead more lately when it comes to idol work.

The more I read this thread the more I've slowly realized how shitty and exploitative vtubers are. Is it supposed to be that way?

>>25276233
Finana used to be a variety gamer before she fell into a gacha slump and started gfe.

>>25276452
Yes, they are women anon

>>25276325
You may have had a point if we would not be talking about an anime fish. I think theres a big difference between some camwhore leading you on and a cartoon.

>>25276452
Of course.

>>25276452
Always has been. Except my oshi. Shes different than all the other girls.

>>25276452
Just stop watching retarded western whores like her

>>25276083
What do you mean you don't like parasocial fucks, if you give a shit about Finana on the level you appear to then you ARE a parasocial fuck. Will you people stop conflating parasocial with negative parasocial relationships only? Parasocial relationships are ANY kind of one-sided attachments to people, typically through media. EVERYONE is a parasocial fuck, we ALL form one-sided attachments of varying levels to a large variety of people every single day. Parasocial does not equal GFE, parasocial does not equal obsessive, parasocial does not equal controlling, parasocial doesn't even inherently mean "romantic feelings", though all of those are types of parasocial interaction.
Please use terms correctly or you sound like a delusional idiot in complete denial that you're in a parasocial relationship right this goddamn second with hundreds of people at varying levels of attachment.

>>25276425
She can tell them to "fuck off" all they want but she keeps pandering and attracting them with her shitty GFE streams like a retard. She's either really dumb and can't see she's doing this to herself or she thinks acting like a moralfag while doing parasocial farming makes her look less stupid.

>>25256381
Hiring a TBA was a fucking mistake

>>25261396
who are you quoting? you're calling people deranged while arguing with imaginary people. incredible lmao.

>>25276180
>"Tee-hee, dont fall for me viewer-san, I'm not your cinderella"
Ok then stop hololive it you dont give a shit about your fans, she should just go off on her own at this point it she just wants to focus on her music

>>25276511
The people who get roped in by this stuff are probably more attracted to cartoons than real women. It's exactly the same as camwhores/onlyfans except the demographic it targets is even more deranged than your average sex-starved male.

>>25276452
Any vtuber that sells "girlfriend" merch are basically taking advantage of the mentally disabled that lost touch of reality.
i.e. Buyfags

>>25276156
If there was an author who would keep writing books that inspire people to shoot up schools and he would never stop writing new ones because the money is good and technically he isn't legally responsible, it's the shooters who shouldn't be so fucking retarded, then he would be absolutely hated and probably eventually put behind bars on some bullshit charges. Your favorite mediocre pussy preying on the mentally ill to the detriment of others isn't an exception, deserves hate at least, and a biased consumer of her content disagreeing doesn't change a thing. That's just common sense.

>>25276617
She is fucking stupid. But the only people who will be offended by her tweet are the people who are meant to be offended by that. So if you consider yourself a desperate parasocial sucker, then you'll see yourself being attacked in it. I think its a fair tweet. Did her fanbase drop by 50% after that tweet? I dont think so. But i dont watch her either.

>>25259449
or when shylily complains about coomers while calling herself "LEWD ORCA" and does nothing but coomerbaiting content. i fucking hate streamers like these so much, lol.

>>25276557
Your right. I should probably just go back to watching JPchuubas, it's actually what I've been doing more lately since the ENchuuba scene is a trashfire.

>>25276763
> I think its a fair tweet.
No, it's a tweet that exposes how stupid she is. Actual room temperate IQ, you can tell she just tweeted what she thought would be well received by the twitter crowd without even putting any thought into it.

>>25276831
Was it not well received though?

>>25256381
Keyword: pretend

>>25276888
Sure it was. Her fan base is even dumber yet, they don't even realize she's both selling them cake and calling cake eaters cringe losers.

>>25276831
I find it funny that only one of her biggest paypigs commented on that tweet reply about being parasocial.

>>25276763
>Say that shit
>"Oh please buy my voicepacks of me whispering in your ear like we're having sex or getting married!"
The levels of irony is through the roof and hitting the sun.

>>25276763
>fanbase
She has a fanbase?

Also yes, it's obvious she's retarded. The useless woman literally lives with her parents and begs for money because she got into gacha. She makes GFE because she knows it can line her pockets but she acts like some righteous idiot over stuff she openly takes advantage of. Don't get preachy about paypigs if all your income is majority baiting paypigs.

>>25276941
But youre wrong, if they dont think its aimed at them then they dont consider themselves parasocial. Seems simple to me. Unless you think you know better than them.

fucking hypocrite
she should belong to vshojo

>>25276941
That they are and also deep in the parasocial

>>25276888
It's not like people who were hurt by it are going to go apeshit about it in public.

>>25267359
I'm so fucking tired of seeing this backwards logic being used constantly. If you leave your car unlocked with the key in the ignition in the worst neighborhood of your city overnight and it gets stolen, are you partly to blame or not? Woke people like you would say no, because "YOU SHOULD" be able to leave it there without anyone taking it. You're rejecting reality for some imaginary utopia that only exists in your brain. You're talking about "onus of responsibility" while shifting the responsibility away from the content creators who are the only ones in control of the ship here. You can't change a fanbase of millions, but streamers can change and that will send ripples throughout their fanbase which will change their behavior over time. You're either trolling or pretending to be smart but failing massively.

>>25277103
I don’t think it was aimed at them either. She’s dumb, but she also knows who keeps her streaming career going and isn’t intentionally going to throw away such an easy job over a tweet.

>>25277111
Its especially likely that parasocial people will go apeshit. Look at VOX, and any other fanbase where twitter fags suddenly proclaim their right to their pussys. Like the calli connor deal for instance. They are so parasocial they feel they deserve a messy separation as if they were in an actual relationship. Its pretty sad.

>>25277103
But... they ARE parasocial. It doesn't matter if they don't think they are, they by definition are in a parasocial relationship with Finana. And interacting with her on twitter or in her chat is a parasocial interaction. That's the literal definition of parasocial. I guess they just don't know the actual definition?

>>25277103
>Thinking paypigs that only watch talentless hack fish for coombait are self-aware
Their dumber then their oshi which is pretty amazing really.

>>25277184
Well, the only way to know for sure would be to look at the gfe stream numbers i think. That said i do think that the numbers would be insignificant and so this tweet is indeed a bunch of useless hot air yelling at 0.001% of rowdy retards that cant tell fact from fiction.

>>25277103
I'm pretty sure yesmen fans that are loyal to the death and enable any/all of a streamer's behavior qualify as being the parasocial ones in the actual definition

>>25277232
Someone should inform them that they should be offended! If youre white and a woman, this might just be a job for you anon!

>>25277311
This. Fans that let their chuuba walk all over them while they get treated like shit are the most braindead.

I can't believe I have to fucking use the goddamn buzzword. This is what "parasocial" means now.

>Criticizing the streamer doing anything that you don't like and being an inconvenience to them

This is where we are fucking heading if we aren't there already. Thanks you reddit fags and stupid twiggers.

>>25277338
I mean it's also pretty clear Finana doesn't know the actual definition of parasocial either so even if I were to tell them that, it wouldn't change anything at all. It might've made some of these Finana bait threads go away if she had actually specified she meant toxic parasocial interactions/relationships and not be vague but that's her problem.
Oh, look at me talking about Finana as if I know her, what a fine parasocial interaction I just had!

>>25276746
This is just fact, anon.
Vchuubas make bait for desperate lonely crazies because that's their biggest appeal if they've got nothing going for them.

>>25277455
Fish is a retard and useless for anything other then coombait. Nothing wrong with calling her a retard really.

>>25277606
Someone needs to set this fish straight and by that i mean by sex!

This my friends is why I watch Botan only, no drama, just poi and fun streams

>>25276277
That's a joke. Anemachi is the one that doesn't want to appear

>>25277648
Bro, no! Don't think your dick in crazy fish!

>>25277606
Stupid retard feesh using psychological terminology wrong, some rape correction is needed.

>>25277746
Based lion enjoyer

>>25277746
vtubers should have stayed in japan
west ruins everything nice

>>25277790
Maybe it'll cure her brain damage.

https://twitter.com/FinanaRyugu/status/1531621938656776193
her schtick is sounding ambiguously lewd, not surprising if things get twisted imo

>>25277803
SSRB unite \o/

>>25260239
bullshit
burgers seethe over everything that slightly inconveniences them

>>25256500
congratulation
you have the emotional intelligence of a rock

>>25256381
She is not against parasocial relationships per se.
It's just that she expects the viewer to be a beta-orbiter in that relationship who provies her with money while she can fuck around.
Basically gold-digger vtuber edition.

>>25276452
Some genuinely enjoy being a V-Tuber and don't care about money.

e.g, Flare and Koyori.

>>25277746
She is peak hag GFE

>>25278709
So she really is just an e-thot then?
That explains everything.

>>25270372
you took time and energy to make this trash and yet no one replied. sad. Have a pity (you).