/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>25242799
Anyway buy my GFE voicepack

Doesn’t she do that parasocial shit with people on her fan discord?

>>25242799
>He's parasocial about the girl who describes her masturbation habits on stream
lmao

i dont see anything wrong with what she says lol

>>25242799
Nijifans, I really don't want to be inflammatory here, but you support this?

So is "parasocial" gonna become a new generic pejorative term that's lost all descriptive meaning like "incel"?

>>25242799
Another laymen posting about parasocial without understanding it
Little does she know, it's her whole bread and butter

>>25243213
Yeah

>>25243179

yes

>>25242799
I've not laughed this fucking hard in awhile gg chink fans gg

>>25243213
Yeah it kind of already is, at least specifically in the streamer community. I've seen normie streamers tossing it around as a general insult that's basically just a synonym for "loser".

>>25243213
Shut up parasocial incel fujo

I unsubscribed from all of NijiEN after Luxiem debuted. What the fuck happened to them?

>>25243213
Always has been

>>25243213
Seems like it

>>25243179

>>25243397
Get ready to do the same when StarsEN lands.

>>25242799
>>25242950
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>>25243143
>>25243179
>>25243213
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>>25243271
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>>25243397
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>>25243437
Something wrong Nijisisters? I thought you said Nipplesanji dont have parasocial fanbase? Was it a lie? Of course it was, all of you have godly deflection >le virtue signaling

>>25242799
>It's real
There's a shitstorm a brewin'

she's not wrong. some of you fucks should take note. kek

>>25242799
Of course finana would have no problem attacking parasocial fans, she has none, she barely even has fans

>>25243672
Based Selen poster.

>>25243672
Rare based selenposter

>>25243213
always was

>>25243672
My sides LMAO

>>25243672
Basado
>>25243573
Berdasarkan

>>25243672
holy fucking based selen poster

>>25242799
her 2 gachis will be so tilted

>>25243535
Not him but I did the same.
I also dont watch holoen.

EN as a whole is just a shit show.

>>25243672
Holy based

>>25243672
Finana in shambles

>>25242950
Based

>>25243573
Kys SEAnigger

What the fuck is even going on in niji

>>25243573
kys koboposter

>>25243213
It just means 'person not getting laid' because incel became cringe and retarded due to overuse.

>>25243573
i love you and all of your sub-70iq posts, koboposter

>>25243672
At least she isnt fat like Selen.

>>25244373
Chinks, but unironically this time

>>25244373
NijiEN is the Vox Akuma show.

>>25243397
Oh no you dont parasocial chud
You WILL resubscribe to all the girls
You WILL accept their male off collabs
You WILL donate and member because they are entertainers, not because they are your girlfriends
You WILL support them when they publicly announce their celebrity boyfriend
Got it, incel?

>>25244586

>>25244373
they have testicular fortitude unlike that other company

>>25244373
Vox is spiting his chinese audience to appease his western one, thing is his chinese audience actually pays most of the bills

>>25242799

Wait...why does she give kisses at the end of her streams if she dislikes her parasocial fans? Feesh is being a bit dumb. Loving fans are a double edged sword, and she's pointing the wrong end at herself right now.

>>25244729
Yeah but maybe his Chinese audience is servient enough to kneel and keep sending yuan. After all they did excuse some yabs that would have led to a bug infestation had it been a woman

>>25242799
>Enough is enough
Woman moment

>>25243213
It's the new "idol culture". A buzzword normalfags will abuse to describe anyone they disagree with.

>>25244515
not for long

>>25244515
She is

Artia, God rest her innocent soul, should have set you faggots straight from the jump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NLw-SDzfXM

So Finana being Finana lol.
I still remember when she tried to drop and ignore her chat for a few weeks, with no zatsudans or sc readings.

>https://twitter.com/FinanaRyugu/status/1531478643116896256/retweets/with_comments
Holy cringe

>>25242799
u're*

>>25242799
Someone better tell the fish this only results in good things if you have a penis.

>>25244907
Ehh, there's been a lot of chinese anti-nijimale rrats lately, fake translations etc
I think this event will be enough to push some of his chinese fans overboard

Notice how no one has posted WHY this is bad.
>inb4 feeshfag
I don't even watch Finana, in fact I find it hilarious clips of her do better than her actual VODs.

>>25245226
All those people replying to her probably don’t even watch her.

>>25243213
yep even more now that nijikeks can't blame idol culture for everything

>>25243213
i give it 5 months, yeah.

>>25242799
Fish...we know wtf you do on other discords. You aren't fooling anyone. What a goddamn dumpster fire this virgin is.

>>25245226
VTWEETERS! ASSEMBLE!

>>25243672
Fucking KEK

>>25243672
Wtf i love selen now

>>25245296
no one watches her

>>25245296
because it's not bad. Just some people trying to normalize offtopic discussion about vtuber's private lives

This whole mess just shows who and who not to watch.

Niji en is like someone made holo en into a bad tumblr fanfic I swear. Holo en isn't even GOOD and they still made a worse version

and no I'm an anti

>>25245025
>Vox, I'm trying to sneak around the fujo headquarters, but I'm dummy thicc, and the clap of my ass cheeks keeps alerting the guards.

>>25242799
>Mori liked this

>>25245737
You're joking

>>25245296
If she believes it she needs to do everything she can to not enable them
>Never read superchats
>Never talk to chat
>Never tweet anything about their personal life
>Never talk about their personal life on stream
>No zatsudans
>No merch that portrays them in a sexy way
>No ASMR
Doing any of these would be enabling a parasocial relationship, as it closes the emotional distance between streamer and viewer. It would be unethical to enable any of this for profit while decrying it at the same time.

>>25242799
Finana is an embarrassment. Have been watching since Lazulight's debut but had to drop her because of her immature attitude and lack of professionalism.

>>25242799
>>25245737
>Shitting on the mentally ill
We've come to this eh?

>>25243672
wtf i love selen now

>>25245085
>Lyrica makes an appearance on that clip
Pottery.
>>25245181
And it all happened because she nuked her first zatudan since she didn't know how to control chat. Finana has certainly come a long way, despite how dumb she is.

>>25245737
>>25245790
She hasn't liked anything in a day on twitter

>>25243213
remember when simp was derogatory?

>>25245799
Yep this
Streamers will go on and on about their daily life then ask for the viewer to not get invested somehow

This anti-"parasocial" crusade is so fucking dishonest.
All vtubers are inherently parasocial; No one would watch virtual people doing silly shit if you they had interesting friends/significant others to hang out. Its a hobby born out entirely of social deficit, its so fucking dumb to pretend otherwise.

>>25245869
I'd have believed it if I didn't think managements gotten tighter on their social media control for her after the dumb bitch juice incident

>>25245974
its not even restricted to vtubers, anyone who has an audience that involves frequent interaction often has a parasocial layer develop. Vtubers lean into that more heavily

>>25245974
But if they pretend they're above it all they get fake moralistic internet points anon!

>>25245799
This. If you want to be a monkey that exists solely for my entertainment then shut the fuck up about your life and do monkey shit. But they know that's not what anyone actually wants.

>>25245974
Someone save this. I still remember being in some random jp indies chat and everyone was going wild (even the Japs). I still remember what one of them said when I translated the chat

>"Vtubers are just cabaret for the lonely and mentally ill"
No one could disagree with that statement.

>>25246153
>No one could disagree with that statement.
I do

>>25246338
And you're wrong, too.

>>25242799
Yo finana why don't you directly tell off Vox's parasocial chink army then instead of sniping indirectly with the parasocial buzzword.

>>25246153
It's a similar principle but not quite identical.
It has the overlap of people just wanting socialization with someone, but there's other appeals to vtubers that cabarets don't cover. Things like
>background noise
>designs for fanart (and a symbiotic relationship between drawing them and getting free retweets for publicity)
>gameplay footage to determine if you want to buy a game
Etc...

Plus cabarets are inherently more seedy and reliant on scamming you out of more money, while vtubers can rely on other forms of income even outside of superchats. Buying merch or concert tickets is a very different thing than being sold $50 wine.

Nijizhang not like this

>>25246420
>sold $50 wine
Mfw hololive sells alcohol branded stuff...

>>25245974
all streamers and normal youtubers are inherently parasocial. vtubers are just an extra layer of fantasy cringe.

>>25246539
Well that's just branded alcohol. Not getting you drunk directly and encouraging you to buy more stupid shit.

Thats just branded merch which is just typical brand shenanigans

>>25242799
The funny thing is that Finana has the last few months ha greatly cranked up how GFE she has been. And baited parasocial gachis, so this is really hypocritical

I thought this was just directed at the chink vox clan that got their panties in a knot over a fake call with reimu

>>25242799
vtubers are fucking dumb when it comes to contrevercies and issues with the public. Grow the fuck up and learn to handle things professionally vtubing is no longer a small niche and they need to act like it, don't be an idiot and redirect all the hate at yourself because you had somthing to say. They should just use their alts to vent frustrations under the # at least all of the accounts associated with their job are clear

>>25242799
Can someone explain why the second part is necessary? The first tweet is literally all that was needed, why insult part of your audience, especially when most of them didnt care

where the fuck is Nijisanji Management yo. these fucks are setting their company on fire.

>>25246751
Perhaps, but she sure didn't write it that way. Regardless of who it's pointed at it's still insulting a wider group.

>>25244373
Reimu popped into Vox's ASMR and completely ruined the mood, now the chink fujo antis want her literally dead. It got so bad that people started a hashtag for Reimu to support her, but the damage is already done. Now we're seeing the fallout since they're decided to pick a side finally. Good luck getting them to calm down though.

>>25246338
It's a 100% factual statement.
Streamers and Celebrities prey directly on the vulnerabilities in human sociological hierarchies

You've probably never tried to stream before, I'll tell you how it works.
>stream old game with no interest
>have 2 modbot viewers, 0 real viewers
>eventually a real viewer comes in
>you act weird and it scares them off
Then, after you get the hang of streaming for awhile
>you stream a fotm game with active interest
>get 7+ viewers coming into your stream to check out new fotm game
>they interact with you a lot and ask you about game
>this causes them to buy the game
>they ask to play with you
>you add them on discord/steam and then start playing together
>after the stream is over, they continue to keep talking to you
>every time you want to stream by yourself, they want to come join you on stream
>other people also want to join because they think this is an open advertisement
>your chill time playing games on stream has turned into everyone else's parasocial gathering hub where they want to play with you
>you can't turn them down on stream without looking like an asshole
>you start losing interest in streaming because it's become about babysitting people who are overly attention starved
This happens to most 2 views, streaming is inherently parasocial, it's not simply entertainment to a large portion of people, they want a friend simulator

>>25246913
>Nijisanji Management
AHAHAHAHA.

>>25246913
I don’t think they give a fuck about EN anymore now that they have Salome desuwa.

>>25243213
Parasocial is pretty self explanatory unlike Incel
It was a thing way back in the day with soap operas and only got more intense when fandoms could chat with their celeb in social media or conventions

Even if it gets used to death, it's basically a gold dollar to incels FIAT in that the definition is absolute and won't degrade over time, to Incel being from someone who literally watches their loved ones be romantic or sexual, to now just anyone who dislikes women

>>25242799
Fianna is starting to take the place of Bao as most obnoxious crybully attention whore

>>25246913
>nijisanji
>management

>>25243672
Based

>>25246751
It's not about who it's directed at it the fact that she tweeted out an unneeded comment that is totally unprofessional

>>25243213
most probably, I feel bad for any psychologists or therapists that use the term to try and describe something to braindead faggots who can only think about "parasocial = bad because funny anime people said so".

>>25245226
I'm physically cringing right now

>>25247132
>>25246913
What would Nijisanji Manager even do in this occasion? It's basically a damned if you do/don't
>Defend Reimu via "All talents", which they've already done and start swinging hammers, but in turn draw attention to the JP Girls who have been getting it far far worse as being left to fend for themselves
>Ignore the issue and let the talents handle it, but be seen as uninvolved
If Chihiro-senpai can walk through an ocean of Antis for 9+ hours, Reimu can endure some pissed off fujos

>>25246751
sure but she was too chickenshit to call them out specifically so she ended up hitting herself

>>25243672
umm...BASED?

>>25242799
>just give NijiEN a chance holobroni, cmon do it
>drama starved whores and hypocrites
yeah nah, anyone got that simpsons bus picture that perfectly describes this whole thing?

>>25245226
i feel like these are just troll posts kek

>>25246899
Women are retarded. Especially the ones with western mindset.

>>25242799
The lack of self-awareness of this woman

>>25246899
Zoomer culture and memes rot the brain anon

>>25247406
The sign one?

>>25244586
Others finally experiencing my pain and suffering. This is great! Can't wait to see more.

>>25245974
>No one would watch virtual people doing silly shit if you they had interesting friends/significant others to hang out

I agree that for many cases it's probably like this but personally for me, I have a pretty stable social life but despite that I'm gachi as fuck for my oshi. I don't know if this actually happens commonly or am I just retarded. I started casually watching holos a few years back because I liked the novelty of the models and it was cute, but then after some time I unironically fell for my oshi so hard that I often keep turning down requests to hang out with my friends so I can watch my oshi instead. I think I accidentally fucked up my social life

>>25247316
Nijisanji management only exists before debut and then afterwards, only if the talent is producing good numbers.
Finana, Reimu, they don't give a shit lol, they never gave a shit about most of the girls.
It's why they never made it an issue for the girls to have non-stop guerilla streams with the males, they could care less what they do to destroy their own careers, they've already earned enough money to pay off all the model production fee's. nijisanji doesn't have any interest in stopping 2 view girls like finana from doing IRL collabs with chaturbate streamers

>>25246899
Fianna has a pretty bad reputation of insulting her viewer base. She's basically a crybully. She'll act rude and disrespectful to everyone around her then cry foul whenever it comes back to her.

>>25247582
there it is, thank you anon

man I thought Rushia was fucking retarded, but the feesh just had to 1up her.

>>25247591
i did the same, but thankfully my oshi cheated on her fanbase, freeing me in the process. hopefully the same happens to you friend!

>>25246899
not confrontational enough; western women are being conditioned to think that they are being threaded on if they are not actively upsetting someone with their actions

>>25247683
green women man, can't trust em.

>>25246899
Finana's entire audience is just vtweeters and coomers, and even then, her numbers are really low, so finana is in this perpetual purgatory of pic related

>>25247486
>>25247537
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>>25247747
Glad I only watch hags

>>25247671
>>25247582
>>25247406
the bigger redpill is that this applies to men too, freedom was a mistake

>>25247683
Call me when Finana is threatening to kill herself in open traffic

>>25242950
lmao

>>25247406
>drama starved whores and hypocrites
Sounds like HoloEN's Council + Mori

>>25246899
Shes trying to indirectly shit talk vox's chink audience, but the way she did it is stupid. Lol they can't directly name the hands that feed vox.

>>25246913
>where the fuck is Nijisanji Management
Playing Genshin Impact

>>25247022
HAHAHA holy shit what a dumb fuck, he literally begged for SC money by creating para social relationships.

>>25247831
That was just being an attention whore, rushia never told her audience to fuck off

>>25243213
It's been that way since before 2020 bro.

>>25247831
I prefer on live stream

>>25247816
Hags truly are salvation

>>25248013
Neither did Vox, he told his chat to leave his friends alone and he was at -some- fault for letting them get wound up, instead of reining them in like with Shu's chat

>>25242799
She get a passed, her thighs are pretty hot

>>25245226
I fucking hate normalfags so much

>>25247081
Nigga, did you miss how twitter leftist changed the meaning of "troll" to "anyone I don't like" and "bot" to "anyone I think should be banned".
I've seen retards on reddit and twitch use parasocial in the same was as you would have used "virgin" before incel picked off. It will replace "incel" for sure now that people are mocking people for using "incel".

>>25248121
That was the minecraft stream, he allowed western twitter to bully him, watch his latest stream

>>25242799
Can't wait for these retards Niji member to be replaced with more desuwa like kino

>>25247591
No, you purposefully fucked up your social life.
Welcome to the club.

Isn't streaming, at least the monetization of it, entirely based around the parasocial aspect though? Like I don't think these people realize how broad of a term it is, they're shitting on anyone who watches them by using it.

>>25248366
Nobody has ever accused twitterfags or Finana of being intelligent.

>>25248251
you are all of those words
go touch some grass loser

>>25248366
Yes it is, but cognitive dissonance causes them to completely disregard themselves being implicated in a parasocial relationship,
Most pokimane simps do not think they are simps for example.

>>25247683
Never trust green or pink.

>>25245974
They're just normalfags barely interested in VTubers. It's their opportunity to grift and they can't get enough.

>>25248366
>don't think these people realize how broad of a term it is
No, its pretty much just a "people I don't like" term to them; they will bend multiple loops to justify why their loser fans are not parasocial.

>>25247686
I doubt it, my oshi isn't stupid and has stayed very entertaining for the whole time I've watched her.
And thankfully my friends are very chill people, they don't mind that much if I don't show up to every meetup they arrange and some of them already know of my so-called "hobby." Also they get to talk shit about my weird interests, all in good fun! So my social life isn't actually fucked thank god, I'm just doing it a bit less than I used to.

Besides, it's not like these streamers will be here forever. They'll graduate eventually, be it through their own will, a yab fucking up their career or the company closing doors. So I'll probably follow my oshi until I lose interest or until they retire.

>>25248357
Fair enough lol

>>25247022
Vtubers taught me that males and females aren't so different after all.

>>25248599

>they know of your so-called "hobby"

It's fucking over brother

It's especially funny because finana has next to 0 entertainment value unless you find her occasional forced HAHA SEGGS moments funny, so what does that leave her with apart from the parasocial aspect?

>>25243672
woah.. based..

>>25248862
Finana looks like she farted and is smug about it.

>>25248862
well it leaves her with minimal to no fanart, thats clear atleast

I think I'll take "parasocial" types over the hoardes of EOP fucks who would groom any talent to say the funny 24/7 if they had the chance.

>>25248862
Nothing, I mean that's why her views and superchats have gone down the shitter. She pretty much has to stream twice as much to get the same level of views and superchats as 6 months ago.

NijiEN in shambles
>Don't forget to thank me Shu

>>25248974
She used to have a ton of quality fanart, but this is a sign on how things are going.

>>25248862
She's ready dumb and i find that very entertaining

Holostars EN will be the next yab once Mori gets fully entangled with them. You have been warned.

>>25242799
I don't pay any attention to Nijisanji. Was there some drama?

>>25249034
This, most of the organic nijiEN girl art has completely evaporated, I wouldn't be surprised if they have to start commissioning it soon

>>25248822
It would be if I was greatly ashamed of it or tried my best to hide it from the world. That'd be awkward as fuck.
Just own it and acknowledge the cringe, joke about it and let them joke about it, a bit of humor will go a long way. It's not like I'm trying to shove vtumors down my friends' throats when I talk to them. It's just something "obscure" I happen to like. Everyone has that one weird thing they like, right?

>>25242799
>80% of NijiEN make a living by doing light GFE/BFE and being parasocial with this just
>Retarded fish posts this
>Rest of the talent completely ignore it
Kek what an absolute retard
I bet Pomu and Elira are seething at her behind the scenes

>>25249137
BFE vox asmr got bombed by reimu, his chinese fanbase attacked her for it, vox made excuses for them this morning before western twitter attacked him for not defending reimu more, so he made a second video where he says he isn't your boyfriend and to seek help
We are awaiting chinese fallout right now

>>25249251
>80% of NijiEN
I'd love to see that list
>Pomu
Clearly hasn't watched the "Dating" videos she made

>>25242799
These bitches need to be made to work a shitty 9-5 job and then we'll see how much they complain then

I legitimately have no idea why anybody would ever claim to have Finana as their favorite vtuber.
There is nothing redeeming about her.

>>25249162
Finana has bought backgrounds and other things for her streams before, so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility

Like I said nijisanji is for normies

>>25249300
All the boys besides Fulgar and all the girls besides Nina
Vtubers are inherently parasocial but nice try Finana
Ruining your one source of income for Twitter clout lmao

>>25249335
That's normal, what I mean is if they have to commission things like rule 34 art
Imagine having to astroturf porn

>>25249415
Does finana have anything left to ruin? She's already at the bottom of the barrel so she has nothing to lose.

>>25245799
If any of these vtubers actually had balls they would do this. But they want to have their cake and eat it too. In my estimation it is actually the vtubers themselves that are entitled they expect you to rain down money on them for absolutely no reason at all while insulting their fanbase in the same breath.

>>25249415
It probably won't make it any worse since most fans are in denial that they're parasocial themselves.

>>25249486
Most of the fanbase are too stupid to take it as an insult, except for the gachikois, but some will still remain due to sunken cost fallacy.

>>25249415
Lol no. And in fact the one girl you said WASN'T is the CLOSEST to doing GFE. Feesh is too lewd and would rather spend her time on gacha or read-alongs. Pomu literally turns every "date" stream into some complex, over the top espionage simulator
>besides Fulgar
Shu and Alban have repeatedly stated they don't want to do ASMR or BFE. Yugo is so busy he barely streams, let alone doing a BFE

I could go on, but it seems your tourist shit is too intense, so i'll give you the ol' "Do your reps"

>>25249478
She just had an IRL collab with projekt melody, what do you think?
We might legitimately get the first nijisanji live masturbation stream

At the end of this, I gained respect for Vox and somehow managed to lose respect for Finana. She got to the wrong conclusion.

Parasocial stuff is not inherently wrong. It's when schizos, penis or no penis, take it to the extreme.

>>25243573
I don’t WANT to make fun of the poop eating, but I’ll do it if you keep this up, Muhammad.

>>25249633
>somehow managed to lose respect for Finana
yeah that would be difficult

>>25249633
Feesh is in the middle of her vacation and is chilling with Melody, so my guess is she jumped to her first instinct without talking to Shu, Pomu, Fulgur, or the Obsydia 3

>>25244373
Nijis thrive off drama, that's the only way they stay relevant.

>>25242799
NijiEn became big enough to have enough mentally ill flock to them - proud of them

>>25249281
Huh, sounds like a mess.

>>25249633
It was pretty clear to me based on context that she was referring to the people making death threats, but of course nobody on the internet has reading comprehension so she probably could have worded it better

>>25249310
She's been babied her whole life. So this isn't surprising.

>>25249633
That conveniently suggests that streamers have zero responsibility in all of this. If you're going to play up the GFE/BFE angle then expect be judged by those standards. You can't act surprised months later when not everyone views it as purely fake.

>>25249592
Yep sadly to say the vtubing fanbase itself is ruining the industry. For every 2 fans that unsubscribe because a Vtuber just isn’t streaming anymore or is disrespectful to their fans or makes bad content etc 5 paypiggies will take their place and reward the Vtuber for their laziness or their bitchiness.

>>25242799
Reminder this is the same bitch who made valentines cards for her fanbase asking them to cook for her and she also has a tag so she can look at pictures of her fans that are swol and buff.
She's free to support her friend in a time of drama, but this kind of hypocrisy is repulsive

>>25249712
/vt/ thrive off drama, that's the only way they keep Niji hate relevant.

God I always fucking cringe whenever I see that type of zoomer lingo in the 2nd tweet, Niji EN is literally all just "deez nuts" humor. Just another reason why EN vtubers were a mistake, all the Niji EN girls continuing to prove how god awful they are as streamers.

>>25249751
This exactly I have no sympathy for him he knew what he was getting into and did it for the money. But now that it’s negatively affected him he wants to run away with all his cash. Not to mention the fact that he still said he wants to do BFE content. What a Grifter

>>25242799
Don't care I love GFE

>>25249763
Haha no way bro it's all just a joke it's not real haha everyone is just a totally detached sociopath that can't be reasonably expected to develop feelings for a person that they spend hundreds of hours with listening to them talk about their family, their personal anecdotes, their hobbies, etc.

>>25249596
Keep fighting the good fight sister

You can really spot who the incels are in this thread.

>>25243672
Finally a based selen post

>>25249877
Why yes I hate women how could you tell

>>25243179
I don't, she's being hypocritical

>>25243573

Shit, maybe dont enable people to form hardcore parasocial bonds with all the bfe/gfe and what not bullshit. They know what they are doing lol, its good money.

>>25249871
>Why do research and basic understanding of this group when i could just make shit up?
Like going to Hololive and accusing 80% of their EN team of being sex workers and drug users

>>25249763
Should have stopped at the first tweet really, but she fumbled the ball at the 1 yard.

>>25249751
The whole business model relies on parasocial relationships. The streamer fails when they can't draw a line properly (Rushia...). This is why Finana is a huge hypocrite too, she also enabled this shit and will continue to do so.

>>25246913
O ho ho ho why would we care about what EN is doing desuwa~

>>25243213
It already has

>Of course Lofi, the literal bottom of the barrel member of Hololive, is the only Holo member who replied because everyone else in Hololive at least understands to stay away from this shitshow

"Parasocial" is really going to become the next "incel/idol culture/anti" scapegoat isn't it

>>25247816
Fellow christmas cake enjoyer

>>25243573
Based koboposter. Keep it up anon!

>>25247022
So is he going to stop doing Coomerbait ASMR? Oh who am I kidding that would mean that he has to be self-aware of why he attracts parasocial fujos

>>25242950
Fpbp
Bitch is a hipocrite

>>25243672
AHAHAHHA based.

>>25248366
Yes, Finana is retarded

>>25245002
Normalfags dont care. Its ironic weebs who will abuse it.

>>25246913
>Creative Freedom

>>25249877
That word doesn't even have any meaning now. It's just "people I don't agree with" at this point. Like faggots calling everyone racist or white supremacist.

>>25249415
Wasn’t Finana just recently caught playing favorites with her fan discord? Funny that she of all people is speaking out about it.

>>25250270
Wonder if they'll get wheelbarrowed.

Finana’s primary appeal is being a sexy dumb bimbo so it would be a little hypocritical of me to complain.

>>25250270
kek no, it's off to the next yab. He's been getting crazy fujos for a month now, it's only going to get worse.

>>25250555
Yes. It's almost like when people warned NijiEN was a bunch of twitch-grade dramawhores nobody listened.

>>25250555
What's this fan discord thing? Isn't it against the rules to directly make contact with fans?

>>25242799
Final nail in the Hmongus coffin.

>>25243535
>i-it'll happen to you!

>>25243672
the one fucking time a purple dragon post is actually not retarded

This is what happens when you have zero quality control for who you hire and spam gens twice a year.

>>25250874
>B-but muh creative freedom!

>>25250925
Enna should also call out parasocialkeks

>>25250968
she did though?
https://twitter.com/EnnaAlouette/status/1531462971293057025

>>25243213
Normies burn any and every literary meaning out there once they get their hands on it to own whoever they don't like

>>25242950
fpbp
Fuck this retarded whore. No one likes parasocial faggots, but you don't bite the hand that feeds you

>>25251020
meh, something she did months ago like she said in the stream "fuck parasocial people" or do what finana did

>>25246899
I really don't know, I haven't thought anything about Finana in the past couple of months, good or bad. But I do know that vtubers have to be online everyday and tweet out dumb shit or else they feel like their fans are going to go away and watch someone else. And thats just how streaming/entertainment is nowadays, 24/7 FOMO tweets/collabs. So it's ironic for a streamer to call out parasocial activity when every single vtuber who wishes to gain an online audience calls the behavior after already doing the BFE/GFE that got them popular in the first place.

IDK, I might just be misremembering shit but I don't think streamers like Pekora or Korone ever did GFE to get them as popular when they were beginning.

>>25250629
rules only matter if management exists to enforce them

FUCK THIS WHORE, I WILL RAPE HER SO HARD THAT SHE'LL GRADUATE

>>25251020
She did in a much smarter way than Finana, It's vague enough to not address parasocial people directly and peaceful enough to not come as cutting or scathing

>>25249877
seethe roastie

Can someone graduate already? /vt/'s been boring lately we need something to stir things up.

>>25251130
>But I do know that vtubers have to be online everyday and tweet out dumb shit or else they feel like their fans are going to go away and watch someone else.
Sir, do you know a shark by the name of Gawr Gura? She does none of that and still have a sizable legion of shrimps at her command.

>>25251221
They exist, except they are all friends with the livers so no one wants to offend anyone else.

>>25251295
woman mindset

>>25246899
So you're admitting your a parasocial creep then? Because that seems to be who its aimed at.

>>25250143
why the fuck does iofi get involved in every drama? like the tracing thing with nene

>>25250143
>>25251436
She needs attention because she's the most forgettable holo in existence.

>>25251050
So vtubers can never call out fans for bad behavior or being weird? Seems like NijiEN is fine with losing the support of toxic fans.

>>25251604
>toxic fans
kek, good riddance, they would do more damage than harm in the long run.

>>25247898
>council
lolwut. this isn't even watch streams tier.
if you want to shit on them at least do it properly and complain that they have too LITTLE presence or call them lazy or something, but how the fuck are you gonna call the people who even the genuine schizos complain about being too removed "drama starved"
honestly nijifags obsessing over the most lukewarm set of streamers ever is super weird to me, like why the fuck are council antis always nijifags, is it cause of the close debut times with L+O or the discord leak?

>>25242799
Finana...

>>25250599
A light hearted jab at parasocial weirdos is drama whoring? Cope harder.

>>25251489
ironically her best content is when she goes full gfe, but (in many ways sensibly) she doesn't do it very often.

>>25242799
>do date streams
>Do GFE RP ASMR
>encourage fans to get parasocial
>Then go "fuck parasocial fucks"
Finana is a retard

>>25249084
Do not worry HolostarsEN is not going to collab with Mori, since she cannot use them to become more popular

>>25251836
Take the parasocials money and then tell them to fuck off when they get out of line. Seems pretty based to me. I don't see the problem.

>>25251604
Vtubers have always called out fans for bad behavior. But whenever fans do it back vtubers get butthurt it’s so hypocritical

>>25242799
When will these retarded whores learn to not bite the hand that feeds you?

>>25251961
oh yes mori go tell them

>>25251961
When everyone grows the fuck up and stops handing them money and your free time. Guys need to understand the worth of their time/attention. It's the most valuable thing that no one thinks twice about.

>>25251874
Mori will certainly almost exclusively collab with them and try to be "one of the guys" and feel like she doesn't have to hold anything back. This will be in tandem with more trash taste collabs where she introduces them.

Why is finana saying this? shes the one with an actual problem with discord groomers who she interacts with offstream. guess this is just a classic case of projection

>>25243179
I could care less about what her opinions, I’m just here for the content

>>25251604
Calling out fans for bad behavior? Listen, Finnana, what you did was shit on every single parasocial vtuber watcher, be they good or bad, parasocials who are the vast majority of vtuber watchers and the only ones who spend money on you. No sane, well adjusted normal person will ever spend a dime on some entertainer when they can just watch them for free
Not to mention what a massive hypocrite you are, since you've been pandering to these "toxic fans" knowing fully well, that they bring in the greens

Also, stop replying to yourself, its embarrassing

>>25252094
because of the vox stream? It didn't come out of nowhere

>>25251927
Telling money to fuck off while being hypocritical is not based. Thats dumb as fuck.

>>25243179
I absolutely support it. Anyone offended by the tweet is way too deep in the fantasy and needs to take a step back or leave entirely. And no I don't think her stream will die because a few outspoken parasocials leave.

>>25252202
yeah everyone should be like rushia where she blew herself up trying to keep the fantasy alive just so her company can sell a fake wedding ring for shekels

>>25252220
go stream finana, stop posting on 4chin

>>25252202
So money over everything, even the happiness of you and your coworkers/friends? Seems pretty fucking retarded to care about money to that extent.

>>25252220
>t. doesn't watch her
>doesn't support her in any real way
>ends up as a 3view and forgotten
>doesn't care because he's here for virtue points that are more worthless than ARS currency

I can't imagine how much is pomu fuming everytime finana does shit like this, especially after finana suddenly brought shu to the hotel lmao

>>25246913
Imagine handling an entity being sold as "a family". They don't listen to you. At all.

>>25246913
they have managers? lmao

>>25252375
>shu
fuck off idiot

>>25252306
It does. However, they set it up themselves.

>>25252164
So because she panders to parasocials sometimes with GFE that means shes not allowed to ever call them out even when they are negatively affecting her and her friends happiness? I just don't think that because you give money your now allowed to say and do awful shit to the streamer

>>25245974
Wrong, it's all entertainment.
Whether it's guy or girl people watch vtubers for the same reason they watch other streamers or actual shows or movies.
No one has parasocial relationship with Naruto, Ironman or Mickey Mouse and if they became streamers only losers would.

Vtubers aren't real, therefore for you to gain any sort of parasocial bond with them you would have to be a metawatcher and view past the character into realizing an actor is playing them and project the entirety of the actor onto the vtuber to actually form a bond with a fictional character like that, and there's nothing more pathetic and autistic as that.

>>25252591
oh no not her happiness working as a streamer with an entire company supporting her :(
boo fucking hoo work a real job and then complain about these viewers YOU are creating

>>25250968
https://files.catbox.moe/ujch5c.mp4

>>25252591
>her and her friends happiness
THE BITCH lives with her parents and is pampered by them. Give me a fucking break! lmao

>>25252591
... How about not pandering to parasocials? Not that she isint allowed to call out fucked up behaviour but, they will most likely continue catering to that audience, and thus not learned anything

>>25252667
You dont understand what parasocial relationships are lol

>>25252715
This, Finana probably is the most financially secure, she spends 100% of her money on her own things without worrying about paying bills.

>>25252591
Finana has no merit or talent beyond acting like a whore and acting like a pickme girl to her paypigs
she is a sheltered 20s womanchild that is grown up on internet and MMO groomer discords

>>25252670
>lazy whores who live off internet paypigs get uppity over internet paypigs
>she won't ever quit and would never bother to get a real job
Pretty much. These bitches are leeches on society and their entire job is to just sit there, be entertaining or be cute and they can't even do that right.
If she hates all this shit so much then she should just quit and do some actual work.

>>25252591
It's like cause and effect doesn't exist to stupid people. Look lady, if you hold a firecracker in your closed fist, you're going to lose that hand.

>>25252591
>call them out
She called out ALL parasocials, not just the ones that attacked Reimu
>you give money your now allowed to say and do awful shit
You are allowed to say and do awful shit regardless. You shouldn't, but you most definitely can. If you pander to mentally unstable people, don't be surprised if they act like mentally unstable people, how is this so hard to understand? If you want money, you suck it up and let these retards sperg out

>>25252834
She would quit but she needs to get a sugar daddy on her fan discord first

>>25252778
OH RIGHT. I forgot. She spends LUDICROUS amounts of fucking money....on FUCKING GACHA. Fucking shit that has ZERO value. It's gambling but no chance at getting the money back. Oh you got the SUPER RARE .0005% red hair character? WHO CARES! Oh lord I just can't....how awful this whole thing is. I'm not even mad. I'm astonished at the audacity of fuckers that defend this kind of behavior and her daftness.

>>25252591
Yes, because calling out something and yet being part of the wheel of the very same thing you've called out is a type of hypocritical behavior.

>>25252873
are you mad she can buy 800 dollar shoes or something

>>25252898
>hmm yet you participate in society, INTERESTING

>>25252772
>Parasocial relationships are one-sided relationships, where one person extends emotional energy, interest and time, and the other party, the persona, is completely unaware of the other’s existence

You cannot be parasocial with something that doesn't exist.
If you're implying you can be parasocial with Naruto, you're implying you can also be parasocial with you're computer/playstation/car or any other thing that isn't an actual existing being.

who

>>25252867
She could just keep leeching off any of the males in Chinksanji, they'd give her money if she cries hard enough or she could get off the internet, stop vtubing and find real work....HA!

Hmm I wonder what Finanas been up to lately, let's see...
>SHOWER ASMR + LATE NIGHT TALK
Yeah that's not parasocial GFE at all...

>>25252898

>>25252911
And I have a $3k tailor made suite. But I actually worked hard to get where I am and everything I have. She's living life on "recruit" difficulty while being unaware of her own hypocrisy.

If
>are you mad she can buy 800 dollar shoes or something
Is what you got out of that you need to grow up, Fish.

>>25253024
suit*
My mistake there.

>>25242950
kek

>>25249168
greybeard welder here and I wear my vtuber merch at work proudly. Does it look out of place? Goddamn right. Do I care? Nope.

>>25242799
Top Kek this company really want to self sabotage themselves huh

Boycott every NiggerEN, they don't deserve your affection and money lads

>>25252928
>>25252991
Form a coherent argument,I don't speak memd

>>25252911
>spending 800 dollars on shoes
What kind of freak would even do this?
No one needs to spend that much money on fucking shoes.

>>25243672
just subbed to selen right now

>>25252935
Youre being dumb. Now that you mentioned Naruto, guess who also gets parasocials. Thats right, the voice actors. Wonder what could be compared to voice acting.... That sure is a tough one to figure out.

>>25253092
Despite my stupid expensive suit. I never spend more that $140 on shoes. It's not worth it past that price.

>>25252911
Is this how people in debt cope with people who make good financial decisions?

>>25253024
>She's living life on "recruit" difficulty while being unaware of her own hypocrisy
So are you
Presumably you have all 10 fingers/10 toes, both hands/both feet, both arms/both legs, both eyes, nose, mouth, can speak/listen/see/read/type.
You post on 4chan so you probably have mental illness to some extent, you probably weren't born in the middle east or another country getting slaughtered by the us military.

Anyone whose body is even slightly worse than yours can make the same argument you're living on recruit difficulty, just because someone's life is easier than yours doesn't make yours not easy either.

>>25253155
>getting slaughtered by the us military
Yea, I was doing it. What's your point, bitch?

>>25253088
Elira is the only one who hasn't done anything vastly retarded yet. Then again she messed up on her PL in the past, so she probably learned to not act like a retard on twitter

>>25253024
epitome of success breeds jealousy right here

>>25253024
You sound like a chud ngl

>>25253124
>Thats right, the voice actors. Wonder what could be compared to voice acting
Really interesting you said that because in my original post >>25252667 I clearly said
>you would have to be a metawatcher and view past the character into realizing an actor is playing them
When the entire point being that if you have to go beyond what's literally in front of you to project a parasocial aspect, you're already incorrectly viewing something.

You're ascribing traits of an autististic/schizo watcher to all vtuber watchers.

>>25253142
True. Shoes get worn down pretty fast over time and paying anything near $800 would just be burning money.

>>25253220
>poor commies mad at people that have money
Every time! lol
>>25253204
Jealousy isn't an emotion a posses. I like the finer things in life but I couldn't care less what shit someone else has.

>>25253260
Yea, and I'm never going to be looking down past someones waste any way. They could be wearing torn up sneakers and I would never notice.

>>25253180
You cannot join the military unless you pass certain requirements, including physical and mental health requirements.
If you can pass those you're already in the upper tiers of people, means your life is easy mode due to you being born with a mostly normally functioning body.
You're living life on easy mode

>>25253272
you're going bald in a thread about some anime avatar girl, no one buys into your shit

>>25251050
Actually everyone here likes parasocial people. Everyone who watches any live content is parasocial whether you like it or not.

>>25253272
>is actually a chud malding over a successful anime girl
Every time

>>25253316
>Waist* not waste
I need to stop drinking at this hour...
>>25253340
I had to work my body to get into shape. I wasn't strong from the get go to knowledgeable.

>>25251258
/thread

>>25252983
She probably knows she has no value outside of getting paypigs to throw money at her, she'll keep preaching about "muh parasocial bad!" but she's just blowing hot air just like the rest of NijiEN, they built their fanbase off parasocial shit. This is what they get and they'll never be anything else.

>>25253353
>>25253372
Same person btw

>>25253090
You first

>>25253377
White people be like "yeah man I had to go to the gym, my life is SO HARD"

>>25252928
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

>>25252928
More and more dudes are opting out of society for years.

>>25253377
>I had to work my body to get into shape. I wasn't strong from the get go to knowledgeable.
But you COULD get into shape, if you didn't have arms, or legs you couldn't get to that point.
If you were full retard you couldn't get into shape.
If you had muscular diseases you couldn't get into shape.

You working hard is as a result of you being born lucky enough to have a normal body
You live on recruit difficulty

>>25253553
I'm not white.
>>25253609
You know. I really don't give a fuck about these long winded "what if" scenarios. Welcome to life. It's unfair. No one gives a fuck about you. No one cares about anyones problems unless they are directly affect by the same problems. The people that do "care" are usually spoiled fags with too much time on their hands and never worked for anything in their lives. When they try to "fix" said problem....they make it worse. Enjoy the ride.

>>25253696
Oh right and those people that "care" usually do it for virtue points to look good.

>>25253553
God is this board really all twitter fags and retarded normalfag roasties?

Why is this retard trying to argue that physical abnormalities preventing normal life are common?

>>25253238
for anime and shit, sure. Vtubers are, for the most part, live streaming. It does not matter if they use cam or an avatar, they are directly interacting with "chat" and are literally being a person

>>25253791
we run this shit don't you forget it

>>25244373
Their streams are so boring that the drama they have is far more interesting.

>>25253791
Twiggers always find a way to slip in when drama happens.

>>25253815
You don't run shit. You couldn't even run the half mile in gym.

>>25253862
this board IS twitter and you WILL kneel

>>25253816
Most of Niji en is boring as shit and this drama was the most entertaining thing to come out of them. These guys have great potential for causing chinkouts, it's the only thing their good for honestly.

>>25253906
>Most of Niji en is boring as shit and this drama was the most entertaining thing to come out of them.

Come on there's always....ok, you're right.

>>25253816
this. I don't give a shit about nijien but I love following the daily drama lmao

>>25253906
nigga hololive had their whole branch shut down because of a chinkout

>>25253979
they opted to keep the orange woman to line their pockets and she ended up leaving anyway

>>25253979
>Hololive left chinkland after acknowledging Taiwan is country seperate form China
>never have to worry about chinkouts again
Good. Hololive should stay away from chinks, it's not worth it by any means.

>>25253553
Jesus christ go back to twatter you fucking piece of shit NIGGER, NAZI.

>>25253942
Niji en drama is like watching a bunch of druglords put up signs saying "drug bad" while continuing to sell it to crack addicts. It's shitshow and it's beautiful.

>>25246899
Nene wouldn't do me like this would she???

>>25252667
>Implying that EN VTubers are acting like a fictional character
Then tell me dipshit why they bring in stories from their personal lives, since that shouldn't fucking happen if they are playing fictional characters

>>25254440
"Nene trash!"-Polka

>>25247816
based fellow hag enjoyer

>>25252991
Why are you telling everyone that you are a retard that cannot distinguish between forced servitude and owning an iPhone?

>>25254520
>be a vtuber whose purpose is to use the persona their given to entertain an audience
>proceeds to not even do that and tell shitty stories from their personal lives without even acting as the character
What is even the point?

>>25253553
White people complaining is definitely hilarious
https://youtu.be/3BcjAS32-sA?t=20

>>25254637
There is none ENVTubers are just Twitch streamers, but with a virtual avatar

>>25253979
External vs internal drama.
Hololive was a unified tribe against an external aggressor (and lost a few along the way), which is why their fanbase is so attached to all of them.

>>25254744
Then why don't they just be actual streamers then?
If they don't want to play as a character in the anime equivalent of a fursuit then just do normal streaming if they hate all this so much.

>>25252991
#1 is just complaining into the internet void about "problems" while they have the option of NOT buying that particular thing, they have several alternatives.
#2 is from an era of ZERO alternatives, not a single one of those car types had seatbelts until enough people complained (and fucking DIED btw, none of these twitterposters have died to anything other than their own rope). Also he's a paying customer wanting a feature improvement, while #1 is just a retard with zero common ground.
#3 is once again a retarded non sequitor comparison that has nothing to do with #1 or #2.

>>25254771
You're saying that Hololive, the company with a CHINESE branch at the time, was fighting an external aggressor and Niji's Chinese current aggressors are internal? Are you high?

>>25254908
yes, because in the niji's case the aggressors are fans of one talent attacking another niji, whereas in hololive's case it's Chinese attacking hololive on behalf of china.

>>25251604
what bad behaviour?

>>25254961
>My English is not very good, but
>Proceeds to speak chinks
what?

>>25254961
The niji situation is nowhere near as bad is the point

>>25255019
Her English isn't very good so she's gonna type in Chinese

>>25255027
no it isn't, and I'm not saying it is.

>>25243213
they were already using simp the same way as parasocial, but simp is used more on vtubers from what ive seen. despite that you can refer it to people who are obsessed with celebrities.

>>25254961
Man, this drama is the funniest shit to come out of niji en.

>>25242950
fpbp

>>25243213
always been

>>25249751
when are holosluts taking responsibility for their garbage fans

>>25255495
Rent free

>>25255555
>he says when entering a niji thread
Wasted get

>>25255555
Quints of truth

>Niji EN grooming gullible fucks into becoming attached to them and use them for money
>get mad that they these fucks are in their fanbase
>proceed to preach about "Parasocial....bad!"
>continues to do shitty streams where they pretend to be your boyfriend/girlfriend to milk them for money

Are these people idiots?

Niji en's just going to self destruct as they add on more and more people, it's because westerners are drama whores, especially the women, and live streaming attracts narcissists. They'll add more and more and they'll get more and more drama cliques forming as every tiny slight makes others pissy at each other and you'll start seeing them have drama after drama. Fans will get in on it too, you know how twitter is.
If they shit talk holos in their discords, imagine how much shit they have to say about the people they interact with all the time.

>>25249791
nah thats not how boards are made

>>25255911
The real idiots are those who keep watching them after they have been insulted.

>>25255555
checked and based

>>25255495
when their fans (actual fans btw, not falseflagging nijiniggers) actually do something harmful

>>25256036
Stockholm syndrome is one hell of drug, my friend.
Niji en fans look like battered housewives at this point and they'll just keep coming back like clockwork.

nippleshamble status?