/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

things go viral for literally no reason

just look at morbius

neither talent nor hard work mean shit, just luck

>>25156216
Sana has talent and refuses to stream ever or use said talent but Koyori has no talent and streams constantly.
Koyori is the better streamer.

>>25156216
Luck*

>>25156216
if hololive is the wwe of vtubers, she is brock lesnar, just go to work a few days a year to collect the paycheck while everyone else works all days

>>25156216
Talent and luck is an undeniable part.
hardwork can only get you so far without any of the above.
even hololive success was brought by a Christmas miracle

>>25156272
Morbius (or at least the idea of it) going viral has a very specific reason behind: mockery at its poor quality. People are making fun of it.

>>25156689
it's still making fucking bank

>>25156782
>it's still making fucking bank
No, no it isn't. The box office returns have been complete dogshit and people making fun of it online isn't generating any profit for them.

>>25156907
>The box office returns have been complete dogshit
cope, it made more than twice its budget

>>25156782
lol
lmao

>>25156216
Hard working is a jew meme. It is the talentless way to achieve success (in a minor scale).

>>25156216
shup up hoshino

>>25156782
If that's true, which I seriously doubt, it still has nothing to do with what I said. Bad movies can make money. Good movies can be financial failures. I didn't say the reason for being memed was it failed at making money, I said it was of its poor quality.

>>25157024
Protip: that's not "making bank", that's the BARE MINIMUM to be considered viable.

>>25157362
keep coping, retard

>>25157373
This is a lost cause

>>25156216
There are too many factors involved to make such a broad statement. All talent really is in the end is pursued interest.

>>25156216
Talent and luck. Pretty much.

Hard work is there only to make the plebs think being abused by the system will pay off some day because of some cosmic truth.

If you're smart you'll work hard on yourself: your voice, your body, your charisma, your work ethic, so when the opportunity arises (luck) you'll rise to the occasion (talent)

>>25158374
Well said anon. I would give you a firm ass smack if I could.

>>25156216
Ayame has no talent though. She just has a cute voice and laugh.
Other than that she's lazy and can be quite a cunt. Desperate weebs, especially in the Holo random, will just forgive everything if you're cute enough

>>25158603
>She just has a cute voice and laugh.
That's what talent is. Things you can't or don't have to learn.

>>25158969
By that logic everyone is talented in some respect.

>>25158969
That's not what talent means anonchama...
Having a beautiful face or having long legs, is not a talent

>>25156216
Work smart not hard

>>25159158
Yes? Doesn't mean all talents can earn you money or make you famous.
>>25159230
>the natural endowments of a person
>a special aptitude

>>25156216
suisei exists. suisei succeeds. your argument is invalid.
>>25156329
rent free. take your meds.

>>25159284
Are you retarded? A cute voice is not an endowment and even less special "aptitude".
Hundred of millions people have cute voices. Hell even 3/4 of Hololive have cute voices.
If everybody is talented then nobody is. A talent is supposed to be such because it's different from the norm.

>>25159524
What a retarded cope post.

>>25159558
>Loses the argument
>"N-no you!"
Ogey moron

>>25159324
>suisei exists. suisei succeeds.
tryhard carried by her talented coworkers, despite being part of the elders, she did absolutely nothing to put hololive on the map unlike Miko Matsuri FBK or Haato and now cash in on the fame she didn't contribute to.
At least Azki has the decency to not larp as a diva.

>>25156216
what talent

>>25158374
>Hard work is there only to make the plebs think being abused by the system will pay off some day because of some cosmic truth.
>If you're smart you'll work hard on yourself
So which is it, retard? Does hard work matter or not?

>>25156272
oh no no no anon is morbing out

>>25156272
Talentless, lazy losers such as yourself always latch on those instances of pure luck paying off to excuse your own failures in life.

>Cute avatar
>Cute girly voice
>Act retarded
>Have a big company

Recipe for success in the industry

>>25156216
Marketing trumps all of it.

>>25157205
This, just look at marvel movies. Poop but made billions.

>>25159864
>at least Azki has the decency to not larp as a diva.
this. holy shit, why the fuck does suisei act like that? it's insufferable.

>>25160418
Learn2read. I'll spoonfeed you this once:

"Hard work". As in: "work 14 hours everyday until success comes to you" is a fake, misleading, coping tacting given to workers all over the world so they keep working for cheap makung other people rich.

Actual hard work. Means working on yourself: your skills, your education, your networking, your negotiation skills, improving your strengths, minimizing your weakness. This type of actual hard work does pay off because when an opportunity comes your way you're prepared to make the most of it.

>>25160942
>Act

>>25156216
Is this that adorable dochi dochi girl?

>>25157024
You need to make at least 2,5x more than the budget to make money on a Hollywood flick. There's also a huge marketing budget (you need to pay FBK to shill your movie) and distributors take a bigger cut than youtube does on superchats.

>>25161538
>source: my ass

>>25161564
Do you think I'm fucking wikipedia? Just fucking google it if you want sources.
What a retard.

>>25161307
Stop being a fucking schizo. She never acted that way, in fact, everyone who meets her says that she's a nice girl

>>25159864
Isn't AZKi's original name literally "Virtual diva AZKi"?

>>25159242
yet Kiara has better results - seems like hard work wins

>>25162613
???
how?

>>25161754
Did you really expect clipfags and niggers from reddit to know better?

>>25162613
Do KFP schizos really?

>>25159324
Ignoring the schizo reply, Suisei is a very good example of "work smart, not hard". Most of what she did in 2020 and 2021 was to train her voice and build her brand/connections rather than just "hurr stream more" like so many of her peers. It even turned into "idol who never stops promoting herself" memes which, as all memes do, just helped her brand even more. Sure, she did work hard back then, but now she can take regular breaks without issue and still maintain her fanbase. Compare this with someone like Watame who is also a legit hard worker, but couldn't break through in the same way.

>>25161538
t. doesn't understand how budgets work, and definitely doesn't understand how financial statements work

>>25156216
talent isn't a real thing

>>25156216
I agree its wasted effort but it is to your benefit in dealings with your local tribe to at least appear as though you arent a snake, but are actually kind hearted and hardworking. Social success is effiecient or ignorant hypocrisy.

>>25162613
Gura has both.10 years of grinding in multiple working fields plus she set life goals since she's like 12. what you see now is just her rewarding herself after an uphill struggle.

talent is a raising of your skill floor and your skill cap
getting to your skill cap is hard work

The real lesson here is a good model can overcome and lot of deficits and a bad model can hamstring you.

>>25156216
>Talent ALWAYS trumps Perseverance
Yes, most of time that is true. But picture is absolutely not related as there is no talent and perseverance

>>25156329
Nah. Even more talented Kobo beats them all

>>25156216
Miko had like 50 viewers for a lot of her time as a Holo in her first year FYI and got to where she is by grinding the fuck out of streams nonstop daily.

Fubuki was also the hardest worker of her gen, as was Aqua (at least until she dropped off, and Subaru is mega-successful now too and guess what, she works hard). Then Pekora in gen 3, Coco/Watame in gen 4 etc.

You can have flukes like Ayame where someone does absolutely nothing and gets rewarded heavily for it, but most of the time you end up with Akis and Mels where going weeks without streaming punishes them bad and they go into the has-been bin. I'd also bet that if Ayame actually decided to put in hard work she'd be one of the top Holos period, but she just doesn't.

>>25173362
In particular Ayame's model, voice and personality are all on-point and she could have been one of the most dominant chuubas in history if she really wanted. However she just squandered it all because hey it's nice to do nothing at all and still get paid.

>>25160366
underrated post

>>25160492
Projecting.

>>25156216
Pic unrelated

>>25156216
talent?

>>25156216
explain Gene Simmons then? he is neither of those