/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>24998562
Time for Nijisanji and small corpos.

>>24998827
I was already watching Nijisanji. I'm fucking done with Holo. I'm done with this bullshit.

Tulsi will save vtubing.

>>24998562
>1/3 are on break, 1/3 are dog shit streamers, 1/3 barely stream. It's ironically over.
You need to branch out anon. There are some good chuubas out there if you looked hard enough.

>>24998562
Why didn't you save them, anon?

>>24998562
i hope their return will be worth it

>>24998562
Seriously though, what the fuck is happening in Hololive? Two top members are gone and now most are taking a break, that's not normal.

>>24999052
I only follow Marine, so I don't know about other members, but she's been talking about a ton of important recordings eating up her time/wearing out her voice. I figure it's her birthday+3ki anniversaries but could be more Holo-wide stuff as well. At least I hope so, because at least that would mean the breaks are leading to something potentially fun.

>>24999052
Management issues, I imagine. To date we have some form of manager dissatisfaction from (forgive if I miss anybody) Mel, Pekora, Marine, Coco, Rushia, and Kiara. So straight away who the fuck wants to show up to a job where you have to kow-tow to some micro-dick JP middle-manager. Combine that with the existing perverse incentives not to stream (since fans will enable even the most extreme laziness with return superchats and social media white-knighting), and you start getting this collapse of activity. Who would want to show up to a job that sucks when they can get paid fat cash doing the bare minimum?

Finally, for JP there's a medical aspect. If you think /vt/ is schizophrenic you have not seen the Nip fanbase. Actual wastes of air. One currently very relevant symptom of this rampant autism is that JP fans dislike normal women's voices. They think it's not feminine enough, and it reflects on numbers. So a simple way for JP chuubas to buff themselves is to put on a grating squeak-toy voice. The thing is faking a higher pitch with no training for hours on end is murder on their throats. So far for throat problems we have Suisei, Marine, Pekora and Subaru. The first had to drop her previous voice entirely and the other three got put out of commission for months.

tl;dr It's not one single issue but the concurrence of multiple long-standing problems finally coming to a head.

since when is allowing your talents to rest and trying to give everyone a chance to shine a bad thing, jesus schizos i swear

>>24999585
Kiara will whine about literally anything. As for the rest you're trying to blow up a few isolated instances of managers actually doing their fucking job and blocking some bad stream ideas as indicative of widespread dissatisfaction with management. Pretty niji behavior bud.

>>24999711
>to give everyone a chance to shine a bad thing
The voices in my head told me this btw

>>24999939
it is well known that they give opportunties to even the smallest members, so i'm not sure why you are taking issue with that statement

>>25000021
>source: my gaping asshole

>>24999052
I follow some of the HoloJP members on Twitter and most of them mention how busy May-June-July are with recordings. If you look at the upcoming birthday/anniversary schedules, summer is incredibly packed with a shit ton of event streams, so much so that some of the anniversary streams this year are just Holo chatting or call-in since the 3D studio are booked.
Currently Hololive operates more as a talent/idol agency with an emphasis on streaming rather than streamers with an idol gig on the side. The problem of streamers taking a break isn't as visible with Nijisanji (due to sheer headcounts), or VSPO/.Live since they don't have as many major outside obligations outside of streaming.
At the risk of sounding crass, Cover desperately needs to debut JP7 and EN3 soon because you'll need to start replacing the old guards as they start dealing with physical and mental ailments associated with their streaming styles.

Good thing nobody cares about Pekora.

>>24998948

As dogshit as Niji is, it seems like pumping out a metric shit ton of streamers has resulted in far less dead hours than HoloEN and some of JP. Either debut more streamers more frequently if they are going to be this flaky after the first few months or set up contracts that actually force talents to stream more often. If you want consistent streams without it being a Niji male collab extravaganza, the small corpo pill is the way to go ( andthen you just hope they don't implode and disappear). But yeah, it's a shame Cover let things get like this without repercussions.

>>24999585
>Marine
She has literally never complained about her manager.
>Rushia
Had a fit over being told to not talk to a dramatuber.

>>24998562

regular streamers rarely take breaks and stream 4-12 hours a day, 6 days a week. vstreamers are just weak, simple as

>>25002815
Regular streamers also spend over 3 hours on watching youtube videos a day as part of their stream "content".

>>24998562
Thanks god I like mayodog

>Never take a break
>Actual dog streamer
>Stream a lot

It's over for hololive desu wa

>>25002859
let's see...
Not factoring in that some people actually watch reacts:
(4hour stream - 3hours react)*6days/week
Same total content hours as (2hour stream - 0hours react)*3days/week.
and better than the (0hours stream - 0hours react)*0days/week that seems to be the norm these days.

>>25003693
Regular streamers don't release songs or anything else of note.

It's time to move on to new chuubas desu wa.

>>24999725
Shut the fuck up egg.

>>25000195
It's interesting in kind of a sad way that VTubing was originally supposed to be a career that former idols and voice actors could fall back on after retirement but it still ends up being so harsh on their health that they cannot maintain it for more than a few years. It was supposed to be a relaxing career but corporations have somehow managed to destroy even that.

>>25003776
That's all you've got? "B-bu-but songs!" Pathetic.

>>25005491
It's more than what your twitch streamer will ever have.

>>25005452
It's like that with most of Asia mass-produced idols. Heavily promoted for a few years then fizzled out as the OG members either quit or pivot away into other showbiz. I used to waste a shit ton of time following K-pop groups only to see them disappear.
Granted, Hololive is unique in that they kinda unintentionally become a big idol agency and it looks like they're trying to preserve their talents' mental and physical health. I don't think the girls (especially gen 3 and prior) expected this much work coming in or the tolls it would take on their health. Take Marine prior to her throat issue for example: she has her streams, a weekly radio show, Maruyama game show, whatever is the week variety show, sponsored streams, vocal lessons, dance lessons, not to mention meetings with management, signing fan letters, and whatever other bullshit going on for 3D lives or Idol/Holofest. I'm surprised it takes most of these women 3 years to start dropping with that kind of insane schedule.

>on break
peko
ayame
korone
suisei
marine

>dogshit streamers
haachama
matsuri
okayu
fubuki
sora

>barely stream
aqua
shion
laplus
nene
roboco

The whole point of hololive is to earn money, they all got their cash and are ready to retire. Any further streams they do are just for fun

>>25006956
why are they dogshit streamers?

>>25006956
opinion discarded

>>24998901
>You need to branch out
Nah he should find something else to do in his free-time besides watching video game streams

>>25006956
Damn, Laplus fell off fucking hard. I guess it's my fault for not keeping up with everyone but for some reason I assumed HoloX was still reasonable but three of them are already dead channels. That's some quick burnout.

>>25006956
>Dogshit streamers
>Fubuki and Okayu
RUMAO at least list HoloEN members next time to be correct

>>25000192
>t. Nijichinkgger with a gaping asshole

>>24998562
In spirit maybe, in views they're doing pretty well. It seems like viewers just watch whoever is on the hololive box more than specific streamers.

>>24998869
t.Nijifag

>>24998562
>It's ironically over
Oh ok it's all cool then, no actual problem.

>>25007961
Well yes now that he's watching Nijisanji he's now a Nijifag.
Not sure what's the gotcha here.

>>25006956
>aqua
>shion
These slackers are basically always on break

>>25007610
That's Hololive for you. They get in, realize they can make money for doing nothing, and give up. Koyori is the only one I respect because she understands her position and streams constantly.

>>25007899
I feel like Peko being off + Aqua and Marine being pretty sparse these days has gotten their viewers to float around elsewhere. Miko didn't get like 87k playing WWE for just no reason - she had no competition from other big names and there was nothing more interesting going on then. Last year such a stream might have had to compete with Peko minecraft pulling like 30-40k very easily.

>>25008789
I miss aqua…
but this is true, she’s not even my oshi but there’s nothing else i would watch

>favourites are on break
>I want them to be happy
>I want them to be healthy
>I want to watch their streams
>I miss their voice
>Aaa

>>25007610
She still pulls big CCV regardless so yeah it's people enabling her.

At first, she streamed a ton and it was in the form of doing like 2-4 1 hour streams a day. Now it's like a 1 hour stream every 2-3 days. So technically in terms of weekly stream numbers it numerically sounds not far from average, but in reality because they're usually just 1 hour streams still yeah she's fucking up. That style worked good while she was new but when you limit yourself so much you don't actually fucking have the time to do much of anything worthwhile or play a game much for real. Iroha, Chloe and Lui at the very least actually do real fucking streams, Lap's wearing out her gimmick and abusing the optimistic fresh-start good will people had for her.

>>25008644
Chloe is also doing a good job and also improving. She is a vtuber through and through. There is nothing else in her live (like Miko for example).

>>25008789
I think the main reasons for why that WWE's doing so absurdly well is because no one else is playing the game (which is weird since holo tend to play them on mass; if more holos did there would be less interest on each stream) and because she found out the miraculous way of doing a collab without having to do a collab so the fans that can't get enough of "interactions" always check out what's happening to their oshis on the game.
And since the NPC can play the game by themselves Miko only has to react, which is even better.
But yeah, less competition is a big part too.

I've grown tired of these glorified e-thots. I tried watching some non-holo vtubers today and couldn't get into it. I think I'm done with vtubing as a whole honestly, the holowhores have unironically killed all of the magic.

>>25009183
頑張ってアノンちゃま!!

>>25009183
I am tired of the /u/ pandering

>>25009001
I think she does play Valorant on Twitch from time to time, but yeah, she streams so little for not being even a year into Hololive but is quick to get all promotional and dream things of her (like interviewing foreign actors).
I mean, i know i should be happy for her instead of mad, but Hololive JP is so big now that the new gens from 6 on get/will get into the stratosphere from the start.
They get new costumes in like a month, start doing original songs ASAP, appear in all promotional stuff and merch. The only thing they lack is an early 3D costume. There's barely any build-up, or struggle, or grinding (Koyori does it because she likes to, she doesn't have to at all).
I wish sometimes to come back to the era where there didn't needs permissions and everyone was a 3-4 views instead of the big company famous era.
>>25009007
Chloe surprised me, because i was thinking she would keep doing her "genetically engineer numberfag" tricks around like in the first few months with short, trendy special streams and one day she just said fuck it and started playing games for like 4-5 hours in a row. It seems she's keeping her aces under the sleeves for celebration streams and is happy with being low-key after getting so much money and viewers at the start.
And i watched her Portal and Superliminal streams and she's kinda charming, well fitted for being a gamer streamer if she wants too.

>>24998562
Oh no anyway back to watching two or four Fubuki streams a day, near daily Mio and Shishiro streams, Polka Streams, and the two streams Lui does daily while waiting to see how long Korones break is looks like HAGLive wins again!

25009183
And nothing of value was lost

>>24998948
To save someone is to ignore others.

>>25010772
Unironically there is zero -0- reason to ever put up with a woman younger than 30.

>>25010906
the fate of a saviorfag

>>25011005
This one gets it. Why put up with the never ending head ache of a younger woman? Older women are more settled and set in there ways they've matured and have moved past needless squabbling bullshit for the most part.

>>25006956
>streams but who cares
choco
mel
aki
iroha

>>25010906
Not if you have a lot of money.

>>25011187
Iroha's on break.

>>24998948
That's what happens when you save them. They become rich and stop caring about making good content.

>>24998562
Cover sucked all the fun out of Hololive and we are just now entering the burnout phase of the talents who have been there for years..

>>24998562
110k

>>24999585
>Marine
Dude, she's the only one who actually worked with management to expand boundary PROPERLY. She's not like Haachama where she's basically "do first, ask questions later" which inevitably cause alot of trouble and lose faces when Holo really need to shut down some things like Haachama bringing her college friend on stream (because hey, family is allowed, so obviously college friend is allowed). If you bring up Marine complaining her proposal get shot down and she need to re-work it..... That's very normal in corporate world and she knows it.

>>25005452
If you're big enough, you starting to care more about contents you produce, which inevitably increase works. Its same thing as being Youtuber too. Some of them just cannot go back to the day of "make videos for fun".... because they now have commitments and fans expectations. Commitments are not just families or bills, but also co-workers like cameramen, staffs, Manager, HR, etc. Fans also wanted them to grow. People buying merchs sending in message of support wanting them to grow more etc....

Its fine though if you just want to stream for fun and don't want to care about the content quality, but expect words like "you're wasting your potential" thrown around too. Some people do stops and just fade like nigahiga.

>>25007610
She's basically taking all the sponsored work Hololive is giving her. She had the Batman interview, the Shadowverse Evolve collab, the Valkyrie Connect collab, and who knows how more currently in the background.

Not to be rude but.... people who streamed tons either don't have much sponsored work coming, or actively refused them. Pekora probably refused tons of them and probably only accepted several in preparation for her break.

>>25011187
Add Koyori and Flare to the list too.

>>24998562
>>24998827
>>24998869
>>24998901
nijiniggers have been hard torking today

>>25002099
Stream in general is basically providing entertainment for free. They need to balance it out with the more productive works.... like sponsored streams, or merch discussions, or taking care of themselves. All the people bitching about them not streaming, is same as F2P bitching that "the game do not give enough free things" or bitching about "dead weeks".

>>24999052
Summer preparation, and potentially tons of other kind of trainings.

>>25021602
I don't know why you somehow think it's a plus from a fan perspective for streamers to be more oriented to pleasing the corps that want to use their fans rather than just trying to please the fans who make the whole thing possible in the first place.

>>24998562
aged like milk

>>25022286
Literally nobody said that. You were given an answer for why she doesn't stream as much.