/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>24840933
Has the hotel collab made you crazy?
You don't have to project it to Hololive

>>24840933
>I can’t believe people are just letting it happen.
what the fuck are >we supposed to do?

>>24840933
at least pretend you watch hololive you nijifaggot

Preemptive
>Thread about holostars
>p-p-please apply for nijisanji instead, y-y-you won't need to always stream on bilibili!

>>24840933
As long as they stream more than Council, you guys should be happy for that.

>>24840933
I just want it to happen already so we can get this over with. Someone is going to fail hard.

>>24840933
>OH NOOOOOOOOOO THE EN MALES
says the increasingling nervous unicorn fag for the #1610610610 time for 2 years now.

There will be no EN males in Hololive UPROAR pretty much confirmed they are not interested in anything but JP males.

>>24841153
it's not even a unicorn, it's a niji deflection thread.

>>24840933
This is overblown to begin with. As much as people like OP want to paint it like evil males are invading the girls streams against their will or something the only reason it happens is because the girl in sitting in a VC channel specifically made for the purpose of people dropping into streams. There are also female members of NijiEN who have literally never had this happen to them because they don't sit in those channels made for people to join and impromptu collab.

Who will maintain an ironclad wall of no interaction with males if holostarsEN happens? Those are the ones I'll still watch.

>>24841199
mori and bae will likely collab with males if it happens, maybe irys will get dragged in because of those 2. other than that i don't see any of the other holos collabing with the males.

>>24840933
But NijiEN was saved thanks to males - it's exactly why cover is pushing them now

>>24841199
Out of Myth and Council Ina, Ame, Gura, and MAYBE Fauna would surprise me if they had collabs with them outside of branch wide ones. Maybe Ina would if one if them is an artist but even then.

>>24841261
biggest cope of your life

>>24840933
Only Iofi, Risu and Ollie would do pity collabs with them.

>>24840933
no i won't

>>24841362
shitpost away my firend, but it's clear you don't watch hololive.

i would like to give a hearty shoutout to nijiEN. baiting me with months of lovely all-female comfort only to ruin everything with males further reinforced that vtubing was a mistake and i never should have gotten invested.

>>24841280
The girls were doing fine on their own they have a decent dedicated fanbase for their size. Girls with 100-300k subscribers in NijiEN are competitive with girls with millions of subs in HoloEN when it comes to superchats and that is without counting their streamlabs stuff.

I want you to remember this picture when the males debut and ruin everything

>>24840933
NijiEN males have more work ethic and drive than most if not all HoloEN members. You should consider it a blessing that someone will be streaming in your typically empty schedules.

>>24841654
The girls are now slowly overtaking council thanks to the male waves.
They were doing as fine as holostars. slow growth and all but now they are doing much better.

>>24840933
Yeah, every FBK stream is a FOXDEMON stream
DAMN OGA

>>24840933
You wish. They'll flop as hard as the Homostars.

Just give me a cute femboy EN Holo and I will let any other transgression slide

>>24841723
>>24841654
Just a comparison of the girls numbers for last month.
Mori Calliope $41,312
Takanashi Kiara $31,168
IRyS $18,214
Nina Kosaka $18,101
Pomu Rainpuff $17,628
Selen Tatsuki $14,924
Ceres Fauna $14,844
Elira Pendora $13,134
Nanashi Mumei $13,120
Watson Amelia $13,094
Gawr Gura $11,313
Ouro Kronii $11,113
Millie Parfait $10,621
Hakos Baelz $10,153
Finana Ryugu $9,766
Rosemi Lovelock $8,284
Enna Alouette $7,982
Ninomae Ina'nis $7,616
Petra Gurin $5,355
Tsukumo Sana $5,224
Reimu Endou $4,083

Basically half the top 10 is NijiEN girls with only two outlier HoloEN girls being far ahead.

>>24841736
Not if they hijack the girls’ streams like Niji

>>24841817
>last month
>lots of NijiENs beating HoloENs still, fairly even playing field without much difference
But I was told the NijiEN girls had lost all their paypigs because the males drove them away.

Hololive treats their male employees like third world citizens. We'll survive.

>>24840933
I think most likely Stars and the girls will be segregated.

>>24840998
Yeah I was thinking this too. What does OP want us to do? Write a strongly worded letter to Yagoo? What are we the UN?

>>24841833
Gura, Watson and Ina will block all HomostarsEN day 0

>>24841445
>lovely all-female comfort
>ruin everything with males
t. ranny in the making

>>24841817
very curious to see how this translates into $/stream or $/stream hours

>>24842031
I don't think its a bad thing to make your concerns known. The people that want collabs with males have publicly complained about it for years now haven't they? So if all Cover sees are people saying "this is so backwards idol culture is toxic you should allow collabs with males" and gets pressure from only the crowd that wants that they are going to think that is what the audience wants.

Tik tok, /u/trannies

>>24842176
There is no doubt that the HoloEN girls do less and make more but the fact that vtubers that are what 10x-20x smaller in terms of subscribers are even competitive with them shows that they are doing well for their size doesn't it at the least?

>>24842112
>enjoying the company of females makes you a tranny
huh?

>>24841027
not to fulfil your prophecy but didnt you guys also say the same shit about the nijien girls for months before the males joined?
also these threads are never really about holostars its about comparing niji and holo again.

>>24841817
Keep in mind that NijiEN uses Streamlabs in addition to superchats, so for some of them you can add $1000 or more to their totals

>>24841817
what in the ever loving fuck did mori and kiara do while i was studying for finals last month? Holy shit.

>>24842336
people can shit on those 2 as much as they like, but at least they stream. the same cannot be said of their other 3 genmates.

>>24841833
Hologirls (and Holo management) are smart enough to know why they're successful, and what they need to do in order to not endanger that success. It won't happen. They would have to be literally retarded to tank their million sub streamers in favor of shilling fresh meat. Whereas the Niji girls were stagnant enough that the market share the company gained by introducing the males far overpowered any losses they had from the girl's gachikois.

>>24842336
Mori, Birthday
Kiara, not too out of her ordinary

They are going not going to be like in Nijisanji. I highly doubt Any of Myth aside from Mori will Collab with them semi regularly, none of them have had a male Collab in almost 2 years, and i don't think management will force Collabs between the holos and the homos. However I don't think they will put a ban Collab like they did in the JP side at the beginning, and I can see more interactions between them like birthday call INS or jointed appearances in conventions. I only wish for a clear distinction between Holo and Homo EN (unlike niji) where whoever wanna Collab with the other side doesn't create uncomfortable situations, because what happens between HoloJP and Holostars is not as cancerous as Manjisanji but it's not good either

>>24842180
>"this is so backwards idol culture is toxic you should allow collabs with males"
But this is unironically true though? Why would we object to this?

>your oshi plays Minecraft
>male happens to hop on at the same time
it’s going to be that simple…

>>24841817
Really proud of the girls in NijiEn they had a rough start but they put in the time and effort and im glad its paying off

>>24842400
holy fuck i forgot about mori's birthday

>>24842392
I really hope you’re right.

>>24840933
The things you're complaining about were already common in NijiEN before the males tho, they just started taking part in it, if holoen already doesn't have people joining streams out of nowhere or constant collabs then males joining isn't going to change that

>>24842180
They are not stupid, Cover is familiar with the massive fagotry of western civilization and they won't back down. If they allowed last Gura outfit (not the kimono one) it means that they don't care that much about what a bunch of self entitled morons can say about them

>>24842547
this, cover are well aware of their market and the audience they've built

>>24841817
superchat mean

>>24842614
Now do the same for HoloEN, see how far theirs fell in April

I think Niji’s chaos and vulgarity is just their attempt to survive with their own normalfag audience because they can’t just copy hololive and be successful

>>24841817
The thing that wasn't mentioned here is the NijiEN boys made more than the entirety of the girls from HoloEN and NijiEN put together and that's why HoloEN is getting males.

StarEN will be in separate Minecraft server and discord server from HoloEN just like JP Star
They won't get less restriction than JP Star. No way the JP Star fans would allow it to happen.
Cover won't piss off the existing fans to please non-existence (yet) StarEN fans

>>24842743
/thread

>>24842663
go find it yourself, i hope they both die

>>24842743
>NijiEN boys
You mean VOX?

>>24840933
It's legit fucking hilarious how nijiniggers can't even defend their own shit anymore, the only cope they can fall back on is, "i-it'll happen to you!"

>>24842756
Is it certain that this is just a second wave of StarEN though? Because it gives the impression like they’re going to be Gen 3, all male

Let's be real, cover isn't debuting any males
They saw the success luxiem got and jumped the gun, they thought they missed on a gold mine right in front of their eyes, but then noctyx came out and it was clear that luxiem captured lightning in a bottle, sure they're not doing terribly, but they're not even close to luxiem, cover isn't going to risk losing their core audience from the girls to invest in a market they know is guaranteed to fail

>>24842880
???

>>24842827
Vox did $163,901 which I think is about $10k less than all the HoloEN girls put together and more than all the NijiEn girls put together.

>>24841817
Apparently unicorns actually don't donate for shit if Nijis manage to outearn almost every Holo.
Why do they pander to those unhinged schizos again if they don't even donate? It appears NijiEN has managed to build a fanbase that both lets them do basically anything they want and will shell out money out of a genuine sense of loyalty and appreciation for that kind of content. Why exactly would future EN vtubers try to copy the HoloEN seiso walled garden method if it doesn't even provide any advantages?

>>24842882
And they can't tap the chinks money directly anymore
I hoped the most successful NijiEN male wasn't pandering non-EN audience

>>24842966
Something to consider though the NijiEN girls actually have to do their jobs to make that money. A lot of the ones at the top like Pomu, Elira and Selen regularly put in 30+hrs of streams a week while you are lucky if the HoloEN girls around them do 10hrs.

>>24842882
They won't lose almost anything just from debuting them, because everyone knows what to expect unlike when HolostarsJP just started. Also idol culture is not that strong in the English side (yet it's still there), so the initial situation of StarsEN is not even close to being as dire as it was for StarsJP. We will have some awkwards moments of Collab begging sadly but if they hire people reasonable enough who are familiar with how Hololive works the situation won't lead to any drama. As far as every talent respect both the desires of their coworkers and the different tastes of their audience nothing bad will happen. We will see more mentions of HoloStars from the girls and some sporadic interation in social media or whatever, but it's stupid to expect that Hololive will become Nijisanji just because a bunch of homos debut, even more considering how much time they are taking to finally debut the homos (they are probably being extra careful with who to hire, someone who knows what he is getting to by joining hololive but also not someone who is mentally ill like that HoloCN girl who was totally obsessed with Aqua)

>>24842614
Learn to normalize your graphs you fucking preschooler

https://youtu.be/4Qp728DDfMk

>>24842966
>Give up on unicorns
>Even less money
What now?

>>24840933
Can you tell how we know you are a nijinigger without even reading your post

>>24843172
>if they hire people reasonable enough who are familiar with how Hololive works
>Omega
Good luck with that.

>>24843235
>Omega
ask me how i know you don't follow hololive

>>24843154
I don't think there's any data that suggests stream hours correlates with superchats earned. It's not like someone will superchat you multiple times in the same stream if you just stream 8+ hrs. What we usually see is people will show up to give superchats once a day or once a week as a show of loyalty. If you don't stream for a week they'll throw tons of money at you when you come back to show they missed you and then go back to donating once a day. There's the rare attentionwhores who donate a dozen $5 superchats per day but they're not that common.

As a streamer most of your donations will be fairly consistent even if you take extra break days. The only thing that makes paypigs go away is if you stop reading donations or change your schedule entirely to the point they can't catch you live. HoloEN tend to stream on fairly consistent schedules even if those schedules are only 2-3 hours at a time 3-4 days a week so their paypigs are donating with the expectation they won't get to see their oshi for half the week anyway.

>>24843296
No evidence he is fired

>>24843482
there's more than enough evidence to be able to assume he's no longer around

>>24841022

he doesnt even watch nijisanji, because males didnt ruin nijiEN

>>24843482
>gets fired in february
>cover puts up a notice that they are hiring for a new music director the same week
he was fired

>>24843612
i'm not a holofag but couldn't he just be busy with his actual job given that they're in the middle of auditions?

>>24843659
without getting too far into it, he was an egotist, there's no way he just ups and stops being active on socmed for no reason. also the girls stopped talking about him at all (mostly dunking on him) around the same time he stopped being active. also it's been MONTHS

>>24843659
His last actual tweet was back in January, everything after that has been retweets at random intervals ending in March, as if someone else was doing it to get a soft landing instead of just up and vanishing.

Hey look at this.

>>24842547
Based Yagoo. Eat shit unicorns

>>24841445
>Wow I can't believe a branch of Nijisanji, which had males since their very first gen, suddenly got males
lmao
Not having males since the first wave really was NijiEN's greatest mistake. Unicorn retards like you should've been filtered on day one, but instead you were given time to get comfortable and are now acting like there was an injustice inflicted upon you.
Better late than never, I guess.

I don't care that they are going to ruin HoloEN, that rot is inherent to HoloEN to begin with. My fear is how it will impact HoloJP. JP is full of naive "unity" sentimentality from several well-meaning but completely oblivious leaders in the company. This is why they already taint their branch bending over backwards to include the other branches, but when EN doesn't make the distinction between boys and girls, suddenly it's going to put JP in a tricky situation to try and be all unity with only part of EN. Until you can get an international audience that respects what HoloJP is and the dynamic Stars represents, introducing a ENStars is just going to either destroy the cross-branch unity or destroy the company. And while I hope for the former, it's almost certainly going to be the latter.

>>24840933
I’ve been here long enough that I’ve seen people saying the same thing about Holo EN before they came out.

>>24843420
I guess that isn't too wrong. Elira looks on track to beat her last months superchat despite taking a while week off this month for example. People just gave her a ton of donations before she left and when she came back instead.

Yeah if you collab with males I will instantly unsub, exact thing happened with the few nijiEN I liked. They will turn into whores being spitroasted every stream by some third world faggots and nobody should ever want to watch that unless you’re a closet faggot or a self-hating woman.

>>24843850
Good. I hope all the JP girls who act like the Stars are lepers feel awkward as fuck.

>>24841817
Who the fuck would superchat nina

>>24843850
You are a really naive and gullible person, and also probably a newfag. Your pure maiden Sakura Miko used to Collab with males if you didnt know that. Every HoloJP talent has been free to Collab with males for how long, 3 years already? And yet they barely Collab with males.

>>24843948
females wanting her to give crumbs about the boys

I dont know why people are using superchats as metric when people know that their oshi gets more profit from merch so they save up for that. Unless that's not true for niji

>>24843948
Nina baits and panders for superchats extremely hard.
She sexually assaulted Luca/Vox during their offcollab by making them play the Pocky game and then immediately told their fans to donate to her as a "thank you" even though Luca was extremely uncomfortable.
Most of her current donors are just Luxiem viewers begging her for scraps when she's the only POV of a offcollab stream containing 3+ Luxiem members.

I hate her guts but she sure knows how to hustle.

>>24843999
NijiEN started getting merch at the very end of last year, but there's no way to track exact sales numbers.

>>24843191
>the same two greedy streamers...again
>vs shark who held by a leash by management

>>24843999
it's fair to use superchats as a metric because it is the only source of income that we can accurately measure as outsiders. most of us are aware that superchats are only a portion of the streamers income, but we as outsiders have no way to measure those other income sources.

>>24843656
>Omega was credited in one of the Mori's song
OK I believe you

>>24844043
Unfortunate, that would be the best way to measure how profitable someone is

>>24843999
Nijis probably make significantly more from merch, they release voicepacks like every month and have been doing so since the Lazulight days.
But we don't have transparent merch numbers like we do for superchats so it's impossible to say.

>>24844061
>Mori sits on a song that had an omega credit for a few months
not that hard to reason out if you're not retarded.

>>24843850
Good. Hololive doesn't respect international audience and doesn't need to
Japanese culture is fine and doesn't need to be tainted by west shit

>>24843999
NijiEN have streamlabs too which might be the best way of all to give them money. it's superchat but without the 30% YouTube extortion.

>>24843967
I don't give a flying fuck about whatever male collabs you faggots are always crying about that make all the Holo JP's whores in your eyes. I care about maintaining the cultural and gender divides. We can idealize how all the people in the company know the rules and follow them but EN management even entertaining the idea of an EN Stars shows they are either the most ignorant motherfuckers on the planet or they are like Omega in intentionally wishing to destroy the culture that exists. EN Stars isn't some bogeyman because they can't find some English-speaking homos who want to be faggot catboys that sing and dance. It's that all those faggots that make up the EN audience can't put in the full effort to harass Holos about Stars JP because they don't like Japanese but once there's a Stars EN, you won't be able to shut those motherfuckers up about it. They will either endlessly harass the girls or the boys or both, but it's either going to have to become a banned topic instantly or it's going to be an issue.

>>24844168
instead of paying youtube a cut you're paying paypal a cut, not a huge difference.

>>24844113
>Japanese culture

>>24844225
Globohomo is not Japanese.

>>24844168
That's what happens with some girls like Pomu. She literally made more money from just Streamlabs this month than most Holos made from superchats.

>>24844218
Youtube cut is 30% while paypal cut is 3%, retard.

>>24840933
Originally I was worried. Now I want the males to come to get rid of these dead fucking hours, constant overlap and everyone going on break at the same time.

>>24844113
Why doesn't Miko respect Japanese culture? Needs correction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkM1f6BY1mY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXqiWdG3Y0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yrf8mku6II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8F_hWmN0dI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEhMvm8gPvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yeg4XkzrMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpCF21wsDHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqQLrla5pDI
https://youtube.com/watch?v=x4Tnv-sXqy4
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iNb79BqnZC0
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zPnpRt6WAOI

>>24840933

holoen was ruined from the start. maybe they can salvage it?

>>24844184
Beggars are scum and if Stars EN ever happens expect nothing but shitty post about how "muh segregation" and "muh idol culture" will be their excuse for harassing both the girls and boys for constant collabs instead of just accepting Hololive and Holostars isn't Nijisanji and never will be.

>>24841027

no one here is applying to anything and even if they did they'd be immediately denied. there is not a single desirable personality trait on the entire board. /here/tubers prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

>>24844061
as if it doesn't take fucking forever to mix and license music

nice try retard

>>24844346
>muh nothing good has come out of 4chan meme
newfag

>>24844346
Sonny's doing fine despite being a /here/tuber
The key is not being schizophrenic or an attentionwhore about it like the PC rabbit.

>>24843999
superchats are an incomplete metric as a whole but it can give us a good idea for how much people are willing to give them money for just the streams instead of buying the merch where they get something physical.

Yes, I WILL be accepted into Stars EN
Yes, I WILL join an impromptu collab with Gura
Yes, I WILL cum in her mouth and cunny
No, you literally can do nothing about it

>>24844403
I made this post.

>>24844299
Did she get spooked by the people attacking Miyabi or something? Why'd she switch her tune after Holostars became a thing?

>>24843172
>if they hire people reasonable enough who are familiar with how Hololive works the situation won't lead to any drama
Stop telling yourself that. Everybody knows that most of the people who auditioned don't know much about holostar and only want to groom HoloEN girls.

>>24844526
I'm in Holostars EN and can confirm I'm only there to rape Gura but so are all the other members so we've agreed to take turns raping her when we're not streaming.

>>24844072
In their IPO report, their total sale in merch is like 2 times more than the total revenue of youtube streaming.
I think you can basically assume that every Niji liver's income on merch is average 1~2 times of their superchat.

>>24844225
>Owned by Chinese money

>>24844618
people really underestimate how much you can make off merch. selling $5 print tshirts for $50 a piece is a HUGE mark up. and people will buy it.

>>24840933
If your oshi becomes a whore after holostars, then she was always a whore.

>>24844680
all females are whores. i just hope the actor behind my oshi has enough professionalism to be able to keep hiding it behind her character

I'm in Holostars EN and nobody will ever believe me, I'm gonna be BFE and FLIRT with your oshi live on stream!

>>24844489
The one video he posted from her channel has less than 1000 views despite always being posted by these people who hate Miko. She went through a whole experience in her early time at the company and like many other Holos very much considered quitting. Why would you assume everything they do now would be the same as it was then? Just because she doesn't have a moral objection to collabing with males doesn't mean she really wants to collab with them now and is some hypocrite. Maybe she just likes what was built around her that gave her success and wants to maintain that?

Subaru on the other hand feels a little more questionable since there aren't just group collabs with her but a family friend that may as well no longer exist. Though that could be company politics rather than just male-female.

>>24842614
now post the hololive one

>>24840933
they're going to fuck your oshi and there's nothing you can do about it

>>24844680
Most of EN are already open whores, they are not the problem. The problem is women are all whores if not constrained by those around them. So the issue is all the girls would eventually switch (or quit) if the culture around them changed enough. ID for example is led around all the time by a cock-hungry slut who openly flaunts and hates Holo culture. But because she also wants to be united with JP, she bends to their culture for stuff that involves them. But EN is much easier to turn into ID2 and JP has some EN worshippers in its ranks so at a certain point JP faces pressure to also become whores. Only a very small few actually actively don't want to collab with males for personal reasons and some of them are so mentally ill they'd just quit or disappear. Most of them would spit on all their male fans in a second if everyone else was doing it.

>>24845008
i appreciate the amount of effort you put into your fanfic anon, but maybe it's time to see a professional about those voices in your head.

>>24840933
Luckily joining streams unannounced in holoEN isn’t a common thing unless they specify they’re doing open VC. Don’t see this being a problem outside of Bae, Mori and Mumei’s streams.
Males are still a mistake though, I agree. Unless they keep them separated from the girls.

>>24844489
>after Holostars became a thing?
This collab
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iNb79BqnZC0
happened AFTER Miyabi's debut

>>24843751
He hit that yoinky sploinky.

>>24845051
>Males are still a mistake though
because?

>>24845136
you want to watch males? what are you, gay?

>>24845008
So, lemme get this straight, unicorns know their oshi is a whore that sleeps with dozens of men on the regular? But they just don't want to be confronted face to face with the reality of her interacting with men, even though they know it is the case? They just make up all these ridiculous rules of conduct and autistically harass streamers to satisfy their own head-in-the-sand schizophrenia even while knowing the entire thing is a fabrication that doesn't matter?

What the fuck? Why would anyone who isn't mentally ill think that's logical? How fucked up are these people to end up retreating from reality so hard? I'd honestly have more sympathy for unicorns if they actually believed their oshi was pure or loyal, but it sounds like they distrust women so much they're incapable of having that kind of faith in a vtuber no matter how much they pander to the schizos.

>>24841817
Thats 6/10 in the top 10 being Holos, despite there being more NiJis overall.
The next 2 are also Holos. The top 3 are Holos.
By every metric Holos earn more and perform better in superchats than Nijis, what a pathetic cope.

>>24845155

>limiting your enjoyment of based chuubas to 50% of the population because your church book said so

>>24845155
>>>/s/
You'll find all the cunts that you want over there, cumbrain.

>>24840933
Come to Holo ID my child.
If ENstars happen it it ruins the Holo EN, Holo ID will always welcomes you.

>>24845186
you're blending the line between the character and the actor, they are 2 seperate entities. i don't give a fuck what the actor does in their social time. i watch vtubers for the character, and the characters i like are pure. stop trying to bring this 'real person' nonsense into the vtuber culture.

>>24845268
But the character is physically incapable of having sex with males, why are you scared of her interacting with them if the two are separate?

>>24845202
>Thats 6/10 in the top 10 being Holos, despite there being more NiJis overall.
There are 11 HoloEN girls. There are 10 NijiEN girls. This list doesn't have the boys at all.

>>24845202
You realize he was nice enough not to post Luxiem and Noctyx who probably all beat holos, right?

any good male en that graduated?

>>24845202
What do you mean? There's more HoloEN girls than NijiEN girls. HoloEN has 11 girls and NijiEN has 10. The boys from NijiEN aren't on that list. They're way ahead of almost all the girls from both HoloEN and NijiEN.

>>24845202
anon...

>>24845326
>specifically says girls
>b-but muh boys
Moving goalposts is realy the nijicuck spcialty.
Also only Vox is even competing and that despite riding the fresh meat wave. Lets see how he does in a year.

>>24845395

wow i didn't realize the domination was this extensive

>>24845202
If you want the real embarrassment I'll oblige.
Total Superchats for April
NijiEN: $656,505
HoloEN: $177,171
Vox: $163,901
The entirety of HoloENs girls put together almost lose to one NijiEN boys.

>>24840933
I will save EN and save vtubing as a whole screenshot this

>>24845355
>>24845395
>>24845462
So the girls are absolute failures and only the guys save Niji, yeah thats what we said you coping losers. Shouldn't have tried comparing the girls then.

>>24840933
https://streamable.com/banao9

>>24845507
It sounds like you're calling HoloEN girls failures to though? Besides Kiara and Mori they're all making a comparable amount to NijiEN girls. Where's the cut off for failure? Is Gura a failure making less superchat than 4 of the the niji girls? Is Ina a failure making less than all but two of them?

Vox is the new Rushia of vtubing

>>24845507
>So the girls are absolute failures and only the guys save Niji
Considering that HoloEN is nearly outperformed by Vox alone, saying this kinda implies that HoloEN, which has no guys to "save it," is completely salvageable.

>>24845609
I'm not surprised Gura failed. She was too lazy to read super chats for few months and finally started to read regularly 4 months after debut.
Lots of read super chatters got filtered already by then.
It's absolute failure

>>24845462
>Nijicucks: Girls were doing fine on their own!
>Nijicucks after being reminded of reality: But the homos....

>>24845609
i mean, even if you're going to call them failures, you can only call them failures in that metric (superchats), because that's the only metric that has been demonstrated.

>>24845609
>they're all making a comparable amount to NijiEN girls.
They make comparable amounts to the top 3 Niji girls and yes, council are failures. The only Myth thats so low is Ina who outright tells her chat to not give her superchats because she doesn't need it.

>>24845679
saying gura failed is the most retarded take. sure she doesn't get many superchats, but she has by far the most members (only semi-measurable), makes the most off merch and sponsors (only semi-measurable), and has the highest ccv (demonstrable).

>>24845683
The reality is that the NijiEN girls make very similar amounts of superchat to the HoloEN girls and the NijiEN boys make an amount that makes both groups look pathetic.

>they think holostars en will mingle with hololive en
>they think there will be "forced integration"
>muh headcanon
Yeah go ask any of the 30 some odd women outside of fubuki and sora in holojp if they feel like calling a homo during their tatsu

>>24845507
>absolute failures
>more than half of holoEN earns less than Nina in superchat, who is a fucking leech, and NijiEN girls have Streamlab to diversify their total donation
Maybe stop embarrassing your tribe

>>24845731
What do you mean though 4/10 of the NijiEN girls make more than all but two HoloEN myth members.

>>24845759
She is not dominating in CCV anymore. JP is doing better.

>>24845640
That would make sense if Vox were not a massive outlier himself and he actually consistently outperforms the top HoloEN earners, which remains to be seen. You are comparing honeymoon levels of superchat of a fresh streamer with people who have been established for almost two years, which means you are either a retard or trying to make a disingenious argument.

>>24845847
read the chain, they were comparing EN branches retard

>>24845439
>thread about males
God damn you are fucking pathetic

Damn whats your guys cut for shilling other peoples paycheck?
You do this shit for free? On the internet? Willingly too?
There a name for the mental illness of bragging about a strangers earnings?

>>24845865
Less CCV than JP and you guys act like EN worth the discussion

>>24845835
Can you retards not read your own charts?
Kiara, Mori and Irys outperform all Niji girls. The top Niji girls are merely on par with Fauna, Amelia, Kronii and Mumei.

I'm gonna have fun with my bros when I make it into HomoEN.

>>24845900
>thread about EN
>b-but muh JP
start your own thread then faggot

Why does the mere existence of men make people seethe

>>24845864
It's been 6months already, when does the honeymoon end?

>180 posts
>only 60ish someodd ips
Wow it is like 3 retarded numberniggers arguing in circles how embarrassing

>>24845931
I don't know. I would think that it's pretty obvious that once the English speaking dudes get hired that they're probably not gonna interact with Hololive much anyways.

>>24845936
>more IPs than his general
Hmmmm - also maybe don't get baited into threads you have no interest in?

>>24845912
That doesn't disagree with me? The top Niji girls outperformed the majority of myth members.

>>24845882
>>24841817
>Just a comparison of the girls numbers for last month.
>>24841654
>The girls were doing fine on their own
Don't make the argument about the girls then if you don't want to be humiliated Nijicuck.
Just accept homos are the only thing thar makes NijiEN relevant and hope their chink fans never turn against them.

>>24845912
Can you not read your chart? Irys is only over Niji by like $100, which is handily rectified by the amount Nijis get in Streamlabs. So there's only two that outperform.

>>24845960
You are mentally ill as hell, anon.

>>24845981
pot meet kettle and all that

>>24845999
I dont sit here and argue subjective charts based on the paycheck of another man or woman

>>24845972
>>Just a comparison of the girls numbers for last month.
I know. Stop being triggered when i bring up males in a thread about males. There's also a lot wrong with what the Anon said, which others already talked about. Maybe respond to them?

>>24845972
The girls are doing fine on their own they're making a comparable amount in superchat to some of the biggest vtubers in the world despite being 1/10th their size. Unless you think HoloEN is on the brink of folding because it's a failure too or something?

>>24846013
nah you just go into bait threads and call people mentally ill. sounds completely healthy to me.

>>24846013
Neither did i btw - better be a retard about some random dude tho. Clearly making yourself look better.
Maybe get baited into another thread too

>>24846032
Maybe if i do it enough times you'll get the point but it seems your self awareness isnt there yet
Consider investing in a mirror?

>>24845963
>The top Niji girls outperformed the majority of myth members.
The top Niji are on the same level as the middle sized Holos.

>>24846044
>talks about self awareness
ironic

>>24846054
You don't know what irony even is, go ahead and throw more words at me to redirect you getting called out for arguing like a retarded numbernigger you are, mentally ill child

>>24846045
So the top HoloENs are Kiara and Mori, got it. All the others are middle sized

>>24846045
You can look at the chart and see that's wrong though? Gura is the biggest HoloEN member and she is below the top 4 NijiEN members. The top 4 NijiEN girls make more superchat than the biggest HoloEN member.

>>24846088
Mori had her birthday and Kiara actually streams so yeah . . . i guess?

>>24846074
my first post in this chain was the pot meet kettle one. you're so retarded you can't even tell different posting styles apart.

>>24846109
Right right, so a special month for Mori. So really, the only top HoloEN is Kiara.

>>24846114
This is an anonymous image board, you jump in a chain to act like a faggot expect to be called a faggot you retarded newfag sorry this isn't reddit with your creative username

>>24845900
How someone can be this retarded

Do human hands type these posts?

>>24846099
Yes Gura is a joke she doesn't encourage superchat
What a failure. She need rape correction

>>24846146
Why are you newfags so obsessed with Reddit and calling people newfags?

>>24846152
No numberfags are underage subhumans with extreme mental illness who refuse to be confined to their containment shithole and mods refuse to move them to /trash/ where they belong

>>24846137
Why do you think people on here went from hating Kiara to loving her? She's the only holoEN that fucking cares at all.
Yes she is the top Holo.

>>24846163
It's kind of crazy when you think about it though these niji girls average 2-3k viewers but they're beating girls who can get 5 to 10x as many viewers without much difficulty.

>>24846146
i honestly don't know if this post is operating on like 50 layers of irony or if you're actually the most retarded person in a thread full of the lowest common denominators...

>>24846176
Most of this websites traffic came from reddit post 2015
More than all of 2003-2014 combined, you shoot a shotgun into a river of migrating salmon youre bound to hit one dumbfuck

>>24846199
The only stupid thing he did was responding to you lmao

>>24846192
No we already have Kiara as example so it's nothing new

>>24846212
You didn’t answer my question, newfag.

>>24846213
>lmao

>>24845268
Schizo idolfag hands wrote this post

>>24846234
Calling me newfag just makes you seem like a tryhard larper trying his best to fit in in a thread full of post-4channel ESLs, see how easy it is to flip the script?
Fucking nonce

>>24846228
Are most of the Holo girls just that unlikeable or do they get a huge audience of poorfags that will never donate or what?

>>24840933
Why are you assuming the homos want to do that though

>>24846283
He has a cuckold fetish like most doomposters forgive him

>>24846283
idk how many times people have to say it, but this is a nijinipple deflection thread.

>>24846269
You just described yourself save the ESL bit. You started using this website in the 2010s. This is literally all you have going for you, this oldfag newfag redfag bluefag routine. You’re a loser, anon.

>>24846271
Their money coming from merch and sponsorships, they don't need superchat.

>>24846308
You're the one who just called me a newfag and contradicted yourself by labeling me your entire schtick this entire post chain under one assumption
You couldn't be anymore of LARPer, its embarrassing

>>24846308
>moving goalpost

>>24846308
>>24846269
save your breath the both of you. you're both newfags. everyone who posts on this board is a newfag. this board was specifically created because the oldfags didn't want you shitting up their board any more.

>>24845931
You serious? Have you seen what they have done to NijiEN? NijiEN is totally unwatchable anymore.

>>24846271
They simply do not stream, Anon.
You can't get donations when you don't stream.

>>24846337
/jp/ has sucked a bag of dicks for over a decade. What are you even doing over here in /vt/ if you’re so wise and old?

>>24846337
Assuming /jp/ is made up of "le original oldfags" is one of the biggest shitposts they've ever sold you and you bought it hook line and sinker
How sad

>>24846271
It's always the top 1% that support the whole thing. Take gacha game as example.

>>24846334
Say whatever you want buddy, but you know I’m right. You’re ugly, unhealthy and stupid. You’re bound to die alone.

Yeah most of them are kayfabefags - barely anyone of these fucks were even on the internet when Touhou took over. Same to /a/ - the oldest oldfags that visit that site regulary are newfags from 2010-12.
That's not a bad thing. We are not supposed to stay on this website forever.

>>24846271
Most of them have already pulled in over 1 million dollars in superchats moron.

As for the superchat culture thing. Begging for money and going out of your way to ask for money is looked down upon in the west and is considered shameful behavior. I'm sure the last thing the HoloEN girls want are to be looked at like DarksydePhil is. The NijiEN males are shameless whores and don't have a western fanbase anyway so this isn't as big of a concern for them.

>>24846372
>>24846374
protip: oldfags stopped coming to this site a long time ago. the few who are left stopped giving a shit about oldfag/newfag bullshit because it's literally all just newfag. arguing the way you two are is useless, you're both newfags, i'm a newfag, everyone in this thread is a newfag. get over it and stfu.

>>24846390
Your goalposts aren't on the field anymore, they're in the river and so you've just moved into trivial projection and namecalling because you literally got called out
How about you LARP as a someone who can hold an argument

>>24846178
Least schizo poster on this thread

>>24846419
That is unironically the point I’m trying to make here. Only newfags call people newfags, like I said.

>>24846331
They might do but it doesn't really explain the lack of difference in superchats compared to the huge difference in audience sizes. It kind of seems like NijiEN are getting a good amount of sponsorship too it seems. Elira for example has done 7 sponsorship >>24846308
streams compared to Gura at 10 despite debuting 8 months earlier.

>>24846421
Why would I bother with that? I’m insulting you.

>>24840933
Shut the fuck up, you can fuck off

>>24846486
You're very boring
How about you "lurk moar"

They're gonna be all fags, aren't they?

>>24846455
How stupid can you possibly be?

>>24846504
I excited you enough to get another reply, so I’ll just take this as another chance to remind you of how repugnant, ugly, stupid and virginal you are. This is your idea of fun. You are obsessed with impressing Anonymous. You’re a loser.

If anyone considering joining agency Niji is always better because they always have more and bigger investors than Hololive. They have a lot more resource and better equipment.

>>24846521
What's stupid about that? Guy said don't forget they get sponsorship and merch too so I was just saying don't forget it's not just HoloEN that gets that.

In this thread: a bunch of retards who don't watch Hololive, don't watch Holostars and are repeating the same exact timeloop that already happened multiple times in the last 5 months.

>>24846592
Isn't that just the whole board outside of generals?

>>24845774
>he thinks that holostars en will be a thing and the men they hire aren't just going to be put into holo*live* en

>>24846592
>repeating the same exact timeloop that already happened multiple times in the last 5 months
try since holoEN debuted

>>24846566
I did my laundry today and my sheets smell pretty awesome ngl

>>24846569
>Elira sponsorships
dumb chink shit
dumb chink shit
dumb chick shit
>Gura sponsorships
Featured in a national Taco Bell advertising campaign
Official song recording for one of the hottest gachas right now (Blue Archive)
Provided likeness and voice lines to an actual videogame (Groove Coaster)

Not all sponsorships are created equal

>>24846592
With the exact same OP image, too. It really is pathetic. I bet each one of these threads has regulars at this point.

>>24846592
>5 months
How about edging on a year and a half to 2 years
One of the most exhaustingly bored and tired doomposting in vtubing

>>24846569
you're right, but sponsorships pay you a premium for your audience, because remember it's you're audience they're after. so taking your examples of gura and elira, gura is going to be earning orders of magnitude more per sponsorship than elira because of the size of her audience. same goes for merch. more audience = more merch sales.

>>24846344
it's only unwatchable by someone who's opionion on what is watchable boils down to "are there guys in it or not". which again begs the question: why does the mere existence of men make people seethe?

>>24846612
>>24846646
Maybe, but this specific one started after HoloEN's auditions became open like the JP one since it was the first time the OP image was used.

>>24846662
Because it brings on introspection and causes manchildren to reflect on their inadequacy.

>>24846625
>>24846661
I didn't say anything about who was making the most from those. I just said it seems like NijiEN are getting a decent amount too.

>>24846662
your entire argument is based around people not being allowed to have different opinions. why not just let people enjoy what they want to enjoy? if some people enjoy watching men, sure go watch a man, if some people enjoy watching a woman, sure go watch a woman. there's no actual problem here except for what you're making up in your head.

>>24846662
>why does the mere existence of men make people seethe?
Because they're unironically unicorns. I basically never watch males and I don't seethe whenever they're in a collab with my oshis. How immature do you have to be to flip out whenever you see somebody you don't like?

>>24846737
It kinda goes beyond immaturity. It’s mental illness. These people are fucking freaks.

I don't dislike the nijimen
Im tired of them being in collabs with the girls like its a corporate quota
Dont get me started on Elira dragging Shu around like hes a helpless retard on a leash into collabs with the other girls

>>24846662
>why does the mere existence of men make people seethe
Because a big appeal of vtubers is cute girls doing cute things. Adding males to that just destroys that entire dynamic. Just look at NijiEN as the best example. That branch was totally destroyed and is now unrecognizable from what it was at the start.

There is a reason any big CGDCT anime have all female casts.

One of the HomoENs better be able to sing. He also better love early 90s-2000s grunge/alternative/rock.

>>24846832
HomoEN will never be a thing

>>24846455
High CCV doesn't mean high superchat earning, some indie and low tier NijiJP earning a lot despite being abysmal in viewership. The point is HoloEN doesn't need superchat since they already got money from merch, ad revenue and sponsorships. That's enough to make them living a comfortable life. NijiEN is different, the males are having meteoric rise to fame so they are grinding hard to push forward. HoloEN is an established business, NijiEN is a rising startup. Hence maybe that's why their audience behaving very different.

>>24846768
but anon, how else are the girls suppose to keep their numbers up if they don't constantly collab with the actual cashcows?

>>24846850
correct, they won't be seperated from the rest of hololive en any more than myth and council are seperated from each other.

>>24846879
They won't exist. Hololive had plans for HoloKR too but that never happened. This idea will be tossed in the same trash bin.

>>24846879
Sure, anon. And they'll also be on Holofes as well, right? I swear to god you people don't even hide how you never watched a single stream from the Stars.

>>24846662
Hololive is like an authentic sushi restaurant. Sure there is one that sell burgers along with sushis (Nijisanji) but if you want to change the experience people going there for they will get mad.
It's a serious problem that western people have invasive culture. Like those political correctness shit spreading in video games. And those vegans attacking meat shops.
Why can't you leave others alone?

>>24846768
Elira has only had 2 scheduled collabs with any male in them in the last month, one with Alban and another with Suha/Taka. If you're going to pick on a member over too many collabs then I don't think she's the one.

>>24846927
this is too logical for this thread, please leave.

Why are you guys comparing EN and JP? They're completely separate markets. There are barely any unicorns EN side despite what people here like to think.

>>24846905
The korean market is weird in that its small, but they also reject corporate vtubing domestically so they have a thriving local indie scene but a nonexistent corporate scene
Im talking like korean vtubers natively not them liking other companies and stuff

>>24846927
>>24846964
samefag

Male vtubers were a mistake from the very beginning and destroyed the pureness that made everybody infatuated with this media format with the rise of Kizuna Ai. They never had a place and have been nothing but a negative on vtubing.

>>24846879
>Assuming Cover would give special treatment to gaijins
That's why you will never be or understand Japanese

>>24846804
You never watched NijiEN, stop pretending you did and they destroyed something you loved. You are just scared of change, which won't even happen if you look at the homostars and how they interact with the talents over there.

>>24846832
I have been practicing specifically for this purpose. I will be the grunge post-hardcore holomem. Also the late eighties and nineties R&B holo.

>>24846991
because you will just autistically screech "inspect element" if i screenshot
https://files.catbox.moe/s5ujq3.mp4
retard

>>24841817
>Tsukumo Sana $5,224
>Reimu Endou $4,083
Reimu earning less than Sana is genuinely hilarious.

Hire me and I will be the submissive cherry boy that likes Gundam musics and model building. And only a gun pointing to my head can force me to collab with females.
And I request a male manager so I can comfortably talk with

>>24847174
Fuck off and stop trying to corrupt the Hololive that I love

I think I’m gonna apply before the year is over. Just started streaming a few months ago and I enjoy it. I feel like I need to grow my audience and just generally improve my performance before I apply though.

Sex with Izuru.

>>24847249
That’s pretty gay bro

>>24843420
>There's the rare attentionwhores who donate a dozen $5 superchats per day but they're not that common.
I wish you were right. Fauna has like 15 of them constantly spamming low-effort, low value attention whore supas.

>>24847287
Yeah.

>>24847233
Stop trying to corrupt Hololive

>>24842966
How much time left before that whore quits vtubing for school, rosecuck?

>>24847233
link?

>>24847545
I won’t. I think it’s the unspoken rule of being an indie vtuber that none of us are supposed to say out loud that we all want to get into Hololive/Holostars and Nijisanji.

>>24847613
i was just interested to check out your channel, but ok

>>24847249
Based

>>24847645
I realize that, all I’m saying is I just don’t want to shill myself in this context. Nothing personal dude

>>24846768
I don't dislike the nijimen, the fans are cancerous as fuck, just non-stop bitching about muh idol culture and muh unicorns, non-stop numberfagging, constantly tribalfagging, basically they act exactly the same way as the people they complain about but with no self awareness, begging all the time for everyone to conform to their standard like the Homobeggar shitposters of old.
There used to be a period of time where we could openly talk about both Hololive and Holostars in the same thread, and there was only one "splitfag" schizo shitposting trying to break the thread apart. We knew that Live and Stars weren't collabing regularly, if ever, but that didn't stop us from just having fun with what they were, rather than trying to force them to be something they aren't, nor really want to be. "Winning son" was our joke as much as "ogey rrat" or mikoboat, and it didn't need nor require the breaking of the Berlin wall between Live and Stars to have that. I miss those days, fuck that dumbass splitschizo and fuck the homobeggar shitposters who screwed it all up.

>>24847028
Pearl Jam - Even Flow
Simple Minds - Don't You
Hall and Oates - Out of Touch
Genesis - In Too Deep
Incubus - Drive
Anberlin - A Day Late
Wang Chung - Dance Hall Days
Genesis - Invisible Touch
Electric Light Orchestra - Mr Blue Sky
STP - Plush
Puddle of Mudd - Blurry
There's your first unarchived karaoke.

>>24844388
Sonny was posting vocaroos on /a/ in 2019, he was born an attentionwhore. He even was on /lgbt/

>>24847788
Honestly you could just replace that whole thing as being about hololive fans but just coming at it from the other way around. This entire thread is about people being mad that NijiEN doesn't conform to the same unicorn pandering way of doing things as HoloEN and what that means for HoloEN when StarsEN drops.

>>24843836
this desu

>>24842241
>says the tranny in a chat of 90% males
huh?

>>24848148
it really took you 4 hours to think of that?

>>24842336
It's almost always like that. Mori in first place and Kiara second place of EN. The numbers are a bit inflated for Mori this month but it's the general idea. Deadbeats make for good paypigs

>>24846804
>why does the mere existence of men make people seethe?
>"m-muh branch is unrecognizable! it's unwatchable! nothing like it used to be!"
no evidence of this at all. case in point, the mere existence of men make people seethe.

>>24848167
>randomly asumes i have read his message 4 hours ago
Holy schizo

>>24847788
>>24848109
>fans of both companies actually getting mindbroken by the shitstirring monkeys that live on this board and try to consolewar
i guess if you repeat anything long enough and frequently enough people can't help but start to believe it

>>24846662
Dont pretend there isn't flirting and sexual jokes constantly being made.

>>24848579
Flirting not really across sexes maybe Reimu and Vox? There's a lot more of the male/male and female/female flirting though. Sexual jokes yeah plenty of those but the girls did that shit on their own without the guys being there.

>>24848696
We literally have a gamer moment thread where pomu talks about her dick and tells nina to suck it.
Like i said - these people don't watch streams.

Hopefully starsEn is just another project that will be silently forgotten about, I’d rather get Kronii’s extended universe as another gen even though there will probably still be an abundance of dead hours. Hololive should stick with what’s been working and be something different than nijien. I swear if even one of the girls aside from mori has a stream where a dude just pops without warning in I will drop the whole branch

>>24841666
We left the golden age almost a year ago

>>24849182
>a stream where a dude just pops without warning
Because that has happened before within Holopro, right? At least act like you watch them before trying to false-flag, you cunt.

>>24842065
Watson will at least interact with them on other mediums, she did interact with TT even if it was for a joke

>>24842425
the spirit is there esl

>>24849258
dipshit I’m obviously referencing nijien

>>24849258
>the minecraft arc
watch streams

>>24842833
It's part of their cope list for a reason
> #17 Fortune telling a.k.a "J-just wait, Cover will fuck up something someday" (>>14561348 <span class="deadlink">>>14752560 >>14752914 >>21529067 >>22935912 >>23288417)</span>

>>24840933
>>Constant male/female collabs all week
>>Males always joining some random stream from one of the girls and making it a collab
>>All special events need to have all the males in it
What's wrong with any of these?

>>24840933
if this was happening I would actually respect cover more.
but getting money from faggots wanting a GFE is more important.

>>24850235
These people get mad when they are reminded of reality and aparently males in their lifestreams work as a mirror

>>24849848
Because Holopro is Nijisanji, right?

>>24849946
Oh yeah, remember when Oga appeared out of nowhere on HoloEN's Minecraft server during Gura's stream? At least try to read, you fucking retard.

>>24850235
You're being keked anytime there's a male on the screen because the vtuber is your girlfriend and then being on screen together is equivalent to having sex.

>>24850235
People have no issues with improptu collabing across genders when it's fleshtubers, it's only idolcucks that have rotten their brain to the coom

I'm thinking about one thing.
The more famous the Stars/StarsEN become, there will be more anti-idolfags and collab beggars. Giving extra trouble to Holo talents (especially Stars) to handle. An eternal curse for placing Holos and Stars under the same brand.

>>24850987
That would so shit for both the girls and boys and even worse considering StarsEN will be the only male idol group that speak english. Anti-idolfags would swarm them with constant collab begging.

>>24840933
I remember the time when I first started to take an interested in NijiEN, it was around November last year during the NijiEN Crab Games Collab with all the 3 branches playing together. Before this I have heard of NijiEN before and had saw some clips of them. (Mostly Lazulight clips.) But it was the Crab Games Collab that makes me decide to take a full interests in them and make me decided to watch these girls more. Watching these girls yelling, screaming, swearing and doing crazy shit at each other show me of how much fun they are genuinely having. That moment was a blast for me. Since that collab I thought to myself that maybe I'll give these NijiEN girls a shot, they seems fun and entertaining to watch as they are seem to be genuinely having fun.

Fast forward to when around Luxiem joined NijiEN, at first I didn't thought of anything much and in fact, even did enjoy having them around in some collab, like the Among Us Collab with all the 4 branches. But as time goes by, there seems to be more and more collab and even some random pop up of the males members in some stream that I began to lost hope in ever getting to see the kino that I saw back during in the Crab Games Collab, where bunches of girls having fun and doing crazy shit ever again. Then, Noctyx joined and I realize that all hope of seeing those kino again is all but lost. The collab with Noctyx and Luxiem become more frequently and regularly to the point that is like 4-5 days a week for some of the members. The random pop up of the males members on the girls stream become a regular thing. Ever since then I decided to stop watching NijiEN.

Looks, is not that I disliked the idea of "collabing with males" but is it just way too much that NijiEN loses it appeals and it dynamic and become sadly unwatchable for me. Before Luxiem and Noctyx joined NijiEN, of course there were collabs with other males as well and I was all for it, like collab with NijiJP (eg. Oliver), NijiID (eg. Bonbon) or others outside Nijisanji (eg. RPR). Heck, I was all for it as some of them were funny af. But all of them were once for a while collab, not like Luxiem and Noctyx with the 3-4 days per week collab or when you are watching girl stream and suddenly, a random male voice entered who happens to be one of the Niji male member.

All I want to see is some sort of full girls collab like back in the days. Dealing with some assholes males at work all day in rl got me tired and need some sort of remedy and healing, as that cure happens to be watching cute anime girls doing some stuff with other anime girls, whether if that seems weird or not, that is just how I cope, I just want to watch them girls having fun with each other.

Anyway, back to this topic. I really hope that HoloEN would stick to what they have been doing and do not go to the same route as NijiEN. I welcome HomoEN but please do not have these continuous cancerous male collab or random unwanted pop up like NijiEN did. It will really kill the vibe, the dynamic and the uniqueness or Hololive itself.