/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

It’s simple, the males make them more money.

The onaholes are there to serve men, not the other way around, duh

>>24693520
Welcome to Nijisanji. Where everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

>>24693520
Welcome to Nijisanji!

>>24693520
>a slightly altered acrylic stand and a t-shirt you can make yourself and order it on any of those site selling printable shit is "cool stuff"
roru
You would think Anykara would learn something about merch after seeing Cover selling a huge variety of shit to the fans that vanish within 24h but no, they keep tossing the same low effort shit no matter what. It's extra hilarious this happened right after the release of the VtL cover having every member sing at the end of it to promote unity while management just pissed straight on their girls' heads a second later with this. Way to improve your image Rikkun

Nijisanji believes that all men are created equal.

>>24693520
Yeah, I'm upset at management for this. And I saw a not insignificant amount of Luxiem fans who were mad too (Some to the point of saying "I'm not buying this, it's too close to LazuLight's one year"), so hopefully Anycolor is less shitty about this in the future.

>>24694320
Anycolor’s model has always been to maximize profits. Why people are surprised about this shows that they only started watching them when NijiEN came around.

>>24694320
The VtL cover was 100% pomu's project, manageament just gave the ok

>>24695771
she puts in way too much work for a company that treats her like ass
at least it'll build her resume for a hololive application

>>24693520
Nigga we warned you about the black company shit. Why do you think Luna jumped ship?
I fully expect them to give 3D and concerts to the males and completely ignore the females. Have fun.

>>24693520
>half anniversary celebration
>celebration streams after every 50k new subscribers
shit like this is why I can't get into NIJISANJI. fake, forced, and just one big money grab

>>24695859
The company don't treat her like ass. She wouldn't even be successful without the company or have anything without it in the first place.

>>24695892
Just like they skipped 3D for most JP members and they didn't get it right?

>"Why is this corporation marketing things that sell"

This is why I never liked Niji and left Hololive.

>>24693520
Their timing was fucking terrible but what did you expect when half of the girls can't even move some voice packs? Even with some nijisisters complaining the guys are still going to sell the whole stock, people don't buy shit but then want to act entitled when they're not being pandered to

>>24696469
?????

>>24695771
I never said it was management idea, just that the timing of the those things happening is hilariously bad. On one side you have several livers pushing the unity idea, on the other side the corporate obliterating it by trying to maximize profits
>>24696207
>You can't complain about unfair treatment, just be grateful you got your chance in the spotlight!
Actual black company logic right here

>>24693579
Fucking this, that was a good decision company wise.

>>24696705
I really don't see all this artificial push for unity that people talk about here, everyone gets along fairly well but they have obvious groups formed already, sometimes I think people are just looking at all the times someone joins a stream without considering who's joining who, pay more attention and you'll realize most of the time it's all inside the same groups

>>24696403
>A member of jp first wave got 3D this year. After 4 years without 3D model
>Recently a girl got 3D model. After 3 guys that debuted half year after her.
>Chigusa got her 3D in december last year. None of her genmates got it. She also debuted after all of above.
Nijisanji don't care about seniority at all.

>>24697009
Their place in the 3D queue depends on the order that they hit 100k. How long did it take those livers to hit 100k? That's the reason why.

>>24697009
I don't know why you brought up gender? 3d debuts are simple, you get 100k and then you are in line for 3d. That's all

>>24697009
You hit 100k and you get added to queue, that's it

>>24697009
>Bait is about girls being left behind
>Now it's about which order they use for their 3D debuts
Are you using Pomu's weather baloon to move the goalpost this much? Thank god it can't fly off onto space

Company needs to make money, you have to be profit oriented, make shareholders happy to get more investment. To me, Cover and hololive is too naive, if i were Yagoo, i would milk the top earners much more. This is why I believe anycolor will out perform Cover in the future and stay around longer.

>>24697233
Recently they announced some japanese styled merch from nijien that a 3rd party company is doing and I thing this is the way to go, no matter how good or crappy the merch from anykara is, they only release it during milestones or special events, they really should just start licensing the hell out of it

>>24696922
Of course there's always going to be a group you get along with better, it's literally impossible to maintain the status quo especially as the number of livers grows bigger and bigger but Pomu included everyone in the final part of VtL even though it was a celebration of Lazulight. I don't know how much more unity you can try to push over that

>>24697347
I thought it was obvious but lazulight's anniversary also means the anniversary of the whole branch, it wasn't just some random "virtual to life WITH MY FRIENDS"

pomu already ranted about this in a member's stream
But at least lazulight has her. She's willing to pay out of pocket to organize stuff for fans.
I worry about Obsydia and about who's going to step forward to organize fun stuff out of that bunch of autists.

If you want to be successful, botting works. It's funny because Vox probably has less subs than Finana without bots.

The answer is yes. This is what you get for deliberately choosing to support a company that releases 3 trillion new livers every 3 nanonsecond. Not all of them will be accommodated in the same way.

>>24697125
So I went to see and found this. They are skipping people.
>>24697161
Nah. I'm not original anon.

>>24697573
Selen also likes to do stuff like this, the NijiExpress was all her and the others just joined in later, I actually like that they don't depend on the manageament to do stuff like this, althought the bad part is that it takes the actual liver being proactive, if your oshi isn't the type to organize huge projects you'll probably never see her in stuff like this

>>24697447
>advertised as lazulight anniversary
>only featured lazulight
>adding everyone was simply Pomu's idea
>b-but muh whole branch anniversary
No. Just no.
>>24697573
Did you forget the the nijitrain was Selen's idea? She might cook up something, especially if she realizes that Lazulight kinda set up the expectations for it, but i highly doubt it will be anything noteworthy.

>>24693520
yes they did, their management is chinese

>>24697830
You're trying very hard to see some forced unity going on

>>24697906
>c-c-c-c-china
You don't have to be chinese to enjoy making money

NijiEN is gonna sink Nijisanji

>>24698071
ID and KR didn't, they don't have to worry about EN, worst it can happen is to also be merged

>>24697830
>>24697816
I kinda forgor that selen was obsydia.
I do that often.

>there are redditors in this thread
Disgusting, I'm outta here

>>24697801
>Ngo soon
Most explosive energy on a 3D debut ever incoming
>Gilzaren
Roru rumao
Either anykara goes out of business first or every nijifag is going to tune in to see it if it ever happens

>>24697801
The fact that you had to search about this shows you don't really know shit anon.
The 3D are 100k for queue, some are skipped for different reasons like them not having their ideas or their model being too hard (Shiba)

>>24698193
Obsydia is the best example of the "forced unity" being bullshit, they all have their own cliques outside of the unit, selen's most of the times isn't even with nijien

>>24696705
None of this is black company logic. Just because there's something with merch don't mean the company treats them like ass. Those same girls got a lot of sponsorships and get money from the very same company that put them in that position.

>>24697233
Hololive can be a bit too slow with how they do things, but Anykara takes things a bit too far in the opposite direction that it sometimes creates new problems.
They have so many livers that it’ll eventually be tough to support or manage them all at once, especially if they go the ACCELERATE route they did with NijiJP. And while they can milk fans for all they’re worth, there’s also a risk that eventually it’ll lead to whale burnout, never mind supporting all their oshis at once.

>>24693520
Hololive's communist approach to merch is pretty much what ruined their momentum. When Hololive members (especially HoloEN) realized that they will get the same treatment regardless, they started slacking, and thus you get the reclining HoloEN (or Hololive in general)
On the other hand, Niji's approach drive progress, motivation and innovation. Want better treatment? Get better result, then. Want your oshi to be treated great? Start watching streams and buying merch, then. You are doing well and helping the group? You will get better treatment. Simple AF. That's how NijiEN beat both HoloEN and HoloJP today, while HoloEN couldn't even come close with a birthday party. Niji is taking smarter and evidently more effective approach here.

>>24697573
bullshit, pomu didn't rant about anything on member stream

>>24698937
She did, but it was just imposter syndrome stuff.

>>24697009
>>24697801
that's fucking based. Nijisanji is literally the American Dream. You must earn your place in the society.
holokek is like socialist europe, everything is handed to you for free even if you don't deserve it and others pay for it. Everyone in the branch get a 3d model even if they didn't work for it. In Nijisanji it's like USA, if you want something, then better pay up for the ambulance.

>>24693520
Kinda based how everyone on all social media sites like twitter, discord and reddit are all telling Lazulight and Obsydia fans to suck it up because the boys are way more popular.

>>24693520
I'm a Nijifag but I don't really care that much about how management does merch.
The accepted way of doing things in Nijisanji is the livers are given creative freedom when it comes to their content in exchange for management being given freedom in how they use their image to make money or handling the corporate side of things.

The upside is Nijis are given almost no numbers quotas or pressure from management to cater their content towards growing. If you're someone like Elira who doesn't want the spotlight you're free to avoid it and do whatever content you want, but management also won't go out of their way to promote you. If you're someone like Vox who loves attention and is happy to do all sorts of sponsored content and shill the company then they'll be more likely to push you hard. You don't even need huge numbers, Chigusa gets a lot of support even though her numbers are quite weak because she's happy to participate in tons of content.

This is the same for merch, management pretty much has sole discretion on producing merch. Early on they did custom voice packs where you could pay $100 to get the girls to read a script you write them. Lazulight and Obsydia complained about it taking too much of their time, so future waves, even Luxiem, never got a chance to do it as it was scrapped. They do take input when the livers are unhappy with the merch, but livers have almost no involvement in how it's produced, nor do they care unless it directly affects their workload like voicepacks.

Lazulight are probably miffed that Luxiem's merch announcement overshadowed their own merch due to the timing, but I doubt they care at all that management are pushing Luxiem. It gives them freedom to work on their own personal projects and no one has ever indicated that they're being ignored or neglected due to Luxiem. They each have their own managers, Luxiem's success doesn't interfere with Lazulight's ability to get game perms or release covers or whatever. The only thing that's difficult is producing their own personalized merch because it requires a large budget that they have to earn. So far no one in NijiEN has had personalized merch though.

>>24698495
Are you trying to compare her to M*ri?

>>24699387
I honestly don't even know what mori has to do with anything I said

>>24699292
They aren't on twitter. Most of the most popular posts under it are people complaining and a lot of the QRTs too. A lot of them are the Luxiem fans that get angry about it on behalf of the girls fans too.

>>24699344
>The upside is Nijis are given almost no numbers quotas or pressure from management to cater their content towards growing
Can that really be called an "upside" when it's true of basically every English corpo? Like, holo management sure isn't riding Sana's ass about growth.
Actually, isn't "no 3d till 100k, and no mech if other livers have better numbers" a far stronger form of pressure than other agencies have?

>>24699535
Not having a salary and being essentially on commission is the biggest is the biggest form of pressure there is.

>>24698848
>>24699344
Rather than watching it from the talent's perspective, you should look at it as a fan. If your oshi is being neglected because the company she's working for is more interested in pushing the already successful members, even though she's not slacking at all?
Not only you have less chances to support your oshi, but do you really have motivation to support a company that consider her less important? You might bring more money in from the golden goose but you're at the risk of alienating the other fanbases and from an outsider perspective if people raise a fuss about it like in this case, it's just going to give a bad rep in general which means less new blood coming in.
>in b4 3D debut argument
That's different as you already know the condition beforehand instead of just shit casually dropping like the 6 months merch out of thin air

>>24693520

>>24699528
they also are on twitter. There are some luxiem fans doing that indeed, but also others who are doing what the other anon said

>>24697801
Shiba is the only one skipped because she's a dog. Some people get their 3D ahead of time because of participation in concerts and stuff. Shellin, Hayama, and Masaru already have 3D from being in Levergacha, Silver Devils, and Raindrops. Amemori is afk, Hana refused hers. It's likely Gwelu and Hispi's are already done, but they just don't know what to do or aren't ready for the debut stream yet.

>>24699997
>Only two males on top, then 4 girls in a row
So much for manjisanji

>>24700259
We're talking about EN, nerd

>>24700318
Then don't post a list made out for the 90%+ of offtopic shit numberschizo

>>24699980
Not that anon but I've always had the mindset that if it's about directly supporting them stuff like SC and membership is above merch. Maybe I just value physical merchandise less than others though?
>company that considers her less important
I think I've been watching too many different vtubers because after seeing some of the nasty shit other companies pull I just feel nothing from this. I understand the viewpoint of them stealing the girls thunder but I've seen groups where there's promised merchandise after certain milestones and the milestones are either too high or the merchandise is literally never released. I think I'm allowing that to cloud my judgment too much.

>>24693520
Anykara is a black company. What surprises me is the amount of nijifans realizing about this now

>>24700201
>It's likely Gwelu and Hispi's are already done, but they just don't know what to do or aren't ready for the debut stream yet.
Gwelu's 5 hour 3D debut zatsudan...

>>24700201
Why did Hana not want it?

>>24700769
>Gwelu just doing father shit like playing with her daughter for the entire hour

>>24700547
Literally nothing they are doing are black company behavior.

>>24700391
The point was that all of Luxiem now have numbers equal to, if not better than HoloEN (except Gura). Meanwhile the girls couldn't even get into top 50. It's obvious and reasonable that Luxiem get prioritized when it comes to merchs or advertisements

Why are you acting shocked OP? By now you should already know the girls are only collab assets for the males.

See attached; they released for "Nijisanji EN" merch but only three of the girls got shit made.

>>24698139
how much did the things change when they merge btw?

Why are you acting shocked OP? You should already know the girls are only collab assets for the males.

See attached; they released for "Nijisanji EN" merch but only three of the girls got shit made.

>>24700921
Her genmates yet to reach 100k

>>24699535
>>24699601
>>24699980
The easiest way to view Nijisanji's corporate structure is the livers are responsible for their channel and the company is responsible for everything outside of that.
You can consider it unfair that the company isn't treating everyone as "equals" but they are given equality in terms of being given opportunities to succeed. Livers are given opportunities for projects based on reaching internal milestones. It's just streamers like Kuzuha are given more support because they reach those milestones faster. It's not discriminatory or unfair, there are way worse companies out there.

If anything Hololive is the outlier in the vtuber scene for pouring resources into less popular talents. If they poured that money into Pekora or Miko they'd have more resources to hire new streamers or upgrade their tech or be able to afford more concerts/events. That's not really a bad thing though, both approaches can be correct and I respect Cover for caring that much about all their streamers to be willing to make sacrifices for them.

>>24701416
Rosemi...
Finanana...
The other one...

>>24701403
I don't think it's really changed much besides no new ID/KR gens.

KR are getting a lot more views though since they shifted to speaking more Japanese. Suha and Seffyna are pretty much on par with high 3-view JP's now. A bunch of KR's just released a cover of Black Out too so they are being supported by staff still.

On the ID side some of them said they felt guilty for not working harder to grow ID and are making more effort to do so now. It hasn't really improved things though, there's probably more Indonesians watching Vox and Mysta than all of the ID branch combined.

>>24700921
She would've been the only ID with it for the forseeable future at the time.
A couple more IDs have hit 100k since then though, so she might be more open to it now.

>>24693520
Niji has always tried to sell this "we're not a big corpo, we're a family" for too long. They're also a big corpo and use big corpo practices even more now they're IPO.

It's (you) who bought the crap they lied about. Like companies being "gay friendly" during pride month to sell more.

All they care about is your money. Never, ever, EVER, think otherwise.

>>24702578
>They're also a big corpo and use big corpo practices even more now they're IPO.
I love how anons keep saying this when Nijisanji does ANYTHING and they haven't even gone public yet, only announced that they WILL be.

>>24693520
Honestly it looked like they were just making this shit up so that they could extra money from the chinese women that are fans of the guys, since 5/20 is some kind of valentine's day in china. It's not great that Lazulight didn't get treated well, but they're obviously trying to squeeze as much money out of Luxiem's fanbase as possible with more limited stuff, even as lame as some of it is.

Bronies yet again vomiting bullshit on things they know nothing about.
>>24701416
In 2020 when JP did a huge ass voice pack sale, the only people that got featured in said merch was Lulu and Debi, despite nearly 50 participating in said voice pack merchs.

Maybe one or two people know what they're talking about but they've probably been following Nijisanji for a long time, the rest of you dumb fuck bronies just parrot the crap you see over at #.

>Black company this, black company that
What's the company that ignored a talent while she was being harrased by a manager?
What's the company that horribly isolated one of their most popular girls for saying Taiwan?
What's the company that ignored permissions and shit and lost their talents tons of content(including outright deletion of some.)

Ho, holo something? Shit I don't remember.

>>24706015
Didn't Lulu graduate because anycolor forced her to take a break whenever she had stalker problems instead of doing something that would actually help her?

>>24699997
Mucho texto

>>24693520
Yup
And IF one of luxiem boys habing birthday riht after their debut then you will see 3 different merch
>yuan moneyi purisu understando

>>24706187
>doing something that would actually help her?
The breaks were to help them build the case that the stalkers were negatively impacting Lulu's RM thanks to shitty Jap laws. If they didn't do that then the courts wouldn't listen.

>>24693520
>one makes 5% of the money the others do
Super chat them more then. Shill them and show them more support. Be as obsessive as Vox's fujos are and they'll get a full line too.

>>24706187
The breaks while they were taking legal action. Lulu wanted to just ignore them and stream.

>>24706015
>What's the company that horribly isolated one of their most popular girls for saying Taiwan?
The same company that cuts off an entire fanbase and branch to protect said girl instead of just firing her? You have seen how fast they can fire one of their popular girl, Coco isn't the example you think it is.

>>24693520
You wanna act like a whore, you get a treated like a whore. Rosemi, pomu and finana deserve to be overshadowed and mogged by the boys

>>24707458
The boys are actual whores though

>>24693520
they literally hire interns to do this

>>24707383
>Don't fire her because the western fanbase will freak out if you do
>Instead just refuse to allow her to collab with much of the company to try and pressure her into leaving
>Only let her do it after she gives in and quits (so it's not your fault)
Yeah man, they really cared about her.

>>24706015
>2020
We are about to reach the second half of 2022 anonchama, shit changes in a year let alone 2 in vtuber scene what a fucking surprise.
That anon didn't even mentioned anything about black company, how long holobronies living free in your brain room?
>ignored permissions and shit and lost their talents tons of content
I agree with the first two but how is the last one a black company shit? Did you just copy paste list of cover yabs from google without reading them rumau

>>24707458
If they acted like whores they would be much bigger by now, that's the whole reason behind vox's incline

>>24693520
>There needs to be a moritorium for the girls despite them having a week odd to sell their own merch
>How dare you not honor this, even though the voicepacks overlapped each other, and random ass merch from EN has been mogging Nijisanji JP/KR/ID since they blew up
Fuck this schizo fags, and this is coming from an anon that bought one of every Lazu puppet and basically payed it twice since shipping is 3100 yen

>>24707662
Newfag...
The whole Holocaust thing was because Cover acted like permissions didn't exist for their early existence, even AFTER having trouble with it. The Holocaust itself was only a couple months after a similar incident where Hololive said they'd be better. Then they weren't, and it led to most of their talent losing half their channel contents (especially Subaru).
I wouldn't call it "black company shit", but it's very much their own incompetence fucking their chuubas over.

>>24707819
>a week
It was 3 days. Lazulight's merch went up for sale on Monday 8PM ET. Luxiem's merch was announced Thursday 8PM ET.

>>24693520
never stopped being a black company, just started treating the employees with the balls to complain about it nicer

>>24699997
>Mysta ontop of Kronii
They're fucking
>Shu ontop of Ina
They're fucking
>Vox ontop of Mumei
They're fucking
>Luca ontop of Polka
They're fucking

>>24707383
Hololive had their cake and wanted to eat it too, when the whole taiwan crap happened all they had to do was put out a statement saying some bullshit about respecting cultures and explaining that their talents only read information as provided by google, but no, yagoo couldn't let go of that sweet chink dick, so they did a naked dogeza and dished out suspensions, too bad it didn't helped at all and they were basically kicked out of china while coco became a rage magnet, the only admirable thing in this whole mess was coco not being a retarded menhera and being able to leave hololive in good terms, at least publicly

>>24707920
>fulgur ontop of enna
sana don't look

>>24707383
Rushia was fired because she was a dumbass, cover put out the best statement she could hope for in the situation she was, all she had to do was wait a little more, but she decided to set everything on fire because that wasn't the explanation she wanted to be out there

>>24696120
Are you being sarcastic? As recently as 2020 you had Hololive talents celebrating every 50k milestone very regularly.

>>24709792
>2020
>recently.

>>24709792
NTA they stopped doing that when myth came out though? and holy shit they didn't do it like nijiEN does, using 1 celebration to do 3-4 streams about it.

>>24707650
The culprit in all three cases was chink rage. Blaming Cover for any of it is silly. They tried to defuse the situation, failed, Coco took matters into her own hands and quit.

>>24696403
I'm still waiting for Akane and Gwelu's 3D but I don't really see it coming.
At all.
And I've lost any hopes by now

>>24709902
So it was fine to do it in the past, but not ok now?

>>24712660
>but I don't really see it coming.
>At all.
>And I've lost any hopes by now
you are retarded.

>>24696725
>Focus all your money on shilling the males
>Ignore the females
>Why aren't the females making money? Guess we should focus all the money into the males.

>>24693520
>Half Anniversary Goods

Is this usually done? Selling merch for the half-anniversary? I thought that's usually done for birthdays or actual anniversaries

>>24693859
> Welcome to Nijisanji. Where everyone is equal, but men are more equal than women.
2434 kinda based?

>>24712757
who the fuck are saying that is not ok?
anon just said he can't get into nijisanji because of that, retard. i'm not even tribalfag but holy shit you nijiniggers are honestly the worst even compared to chumkeks.

>>24716642
Yes? 6 month anniversary celebrations aren't just a chuuba thing either. Mobages celebrate them too.

>>24716818
My comment had nothing to do with nijisanji

>>24716642
Yeah it's a little silly but it happens.
It just feels dumb because every other day is a special even for nijis.
>>24716969
At least with mobage it's usually just an excuse to give away free stuff and hook new players in.

>>24716642
One of the newer JP waves (Eden-gumi) got it too, so it's not unheard of, but yeah none of the other EN waves did.

>>24717131
then who the fuck are you mentioning?

remember, nijisanji have no gens, just waves
everyone is equal, there are no senpai and kouhai
its a sink or swim company

Karma for all of your shitty purple dragon posting, kek

>>24698848
Except holo is more popular and every girl is more popular than the niji counterpart barring the few exceptions.

The problem with nijis methods is while it might work in the JP branch where everyone is more or less an independent who happens to work for the group. The EN branch pushed unity and family bullshit too far.
In JP it makes sense to push the individuals at expense of the weaker members because the weaker members tend to not stream much to begin with and everyone accepts it as a given.

In EN however with all the push for unity and bullshit it just comes off as betraying their friends and showing favoritism. When LL shills lux 24/7 before debut and they get shit in return, it just makes lazulight fans pissed. Which means the "unity" is broken because their fans now hate lux. And with all the cross shilling they do that's not a good thing to have in their branch.

Meanwhile akane and mito probably had minimal fan unity since they never interact.

>>24707867
Why are you trying to rewrite history? Nobody really needs permissions since almost all ToS allow content creators to stream and monetize their games. Permissiongate happened because Capcom striked both Ghost trick endurance streams Mio played SIX months ago, so Cover decided they needed written permissions for everything from that on and privated all streams they didn't get a written reply

>>24693520

>>24706015
Holy Kek nijichinks really are something huh?

>>24719375
I think that part of it is that the NijiEN initial fanbase was mostly hololive contrarians, but they were still introduced into the vtubing with the Hololive culture. It's probably just another one in a series of shocks when they realize how Niji does things with the shotgun approach versus YAGOO's saviorfag approach.

>>24722313
Vox. You got some 'splainin to do.

>>24723371
Oh wow

>>24693520
YWNBAW

>>24693520
welcome to manjisanji

>>24693520
You mean the merch that was plagiarized? Makes sense that nijizhangji would steal from gacha garbage

manjisanji

>>24693520
Git gud bitches

>>24697801
they're just delayed but in the queue. Sometimes it's delayed because of the vtuber's personal schedule/issues. Karuta had hers recently and Kirame's is happening in a few days.

>>24725219
Why do fandom zoomers hate sex?

>>24723314
Nijien actively pushed for that and still does.
Also nijien is not using the same type of model as jp. As you fags always love to claim they're knocking off ID

>>24713301
Most companies don't look beyond the next financial quarter, they don't care about the self-perpetuating cycles they create

>>24696636
Take the indie pill, let the 2views into your heart

>>24699186
Based glowie

>>24709792
> 2020
> when it used to take 2-3 months to get 50k
> when 50k was an actual achievement
Market has changed, 50k is no longer "special" for a corpo chuuba, which is what NijiEN are failing to understand. They're still in 2view mind state.

>>24723314
This is partly on the initial Lazufags, but Nijisanji didn't help things either by completely avoiding males in the wave until the 4th one, which felt like a bait and switch at the time (for newer fans).

>>24699344
>creative freedom
AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA
Every time

>>24706015
> coping with 2 year old rrats that were already resolved

>>24707000
And Lulu was having none of that Virtual Signaling bullshit when she just wanted to stream.
Sadly Roa seems to have bought into it.

>>24707650

>>24702578
The thing is, the fanbase seems to believe both "family" and "it's a business" narratives, and shift it around when convenient.

>>24716642
Time on the internet moves much faster, so 6 month anniversaries seem to have become a thing.

>>24734790
It's not really virtue signaling
>go to court
>this man was harassing our talent!
>okay what happened? Was she scared for her life, did it affect her work, did it impact her daily life or routine?
>well... no.
>okay don't do it again dude but since no harm was done you're free to go.

>>24737714
The case moving to Roa made it abundantly clear that they weren't trying to do something as noble as getting a law passed against stalking.
That case basically comes down to a witchhunt against that retard Narukami as an attempt to get a law passed against "harassment of VTubers", but that guy is just one rrat merchant with a voice. There's thousands of them out there. Fucking 5ch has IP tracking yet they have zero qualms about doing far worse shit than /vt/.
Anycolor is waging war against "internet trolls" the same way some American parents used to do back in the 90's.

>>24738440
I was talking about lulu.
Roa's whole thing was with meiro which was unrelated. I think we have all agreed roa just decided to quit but didn't want to completely shut the door.

>>24738559
? Did you not hear about the case that Roa is pursuing against Narukami with help from Anycolor?
Just check her latest tweet, she mentions clearly that this was the reason for her absence, and that once the case is settled she plans to come back.

>>24738639
Okay mb stopped following her months ago.

But still it's not virtual signaling, it's playing up damages so you can win a court case.

>>24738849
And like I said, if they were doing it to finally get the nips to get an anti-stalking law running, I would be all for it.
But that's not what they're doing. They're fighting against "internet trolls".
Just check her twitter, the details of the matter will become pretty clear.

>>24739137
Internet trolls are stalkers.
Posting dox images should be punishable by law.

>>24739206
It's not exactly "doxx" when they publicly posted it on social media.
It's an unfortunate consequence of a generation growing up without the millenials' caution towards posting your information online, and the forgetting of the mantra ("whatever your post on the internet can never be deleted").

Stalking is treading into IRL territory, and I agree that there should be a law against it, but that's unfortunately not what Anycolor is doing, since they completely dropped the stalking angle once Lulu left.

>>24716753
Not really a gender thing. It's number thing. It just happend that EN branch is Manjisanji in pure form.

>>24693520
muh merch

>>24706015
>In 2020 when JP did a huge ass voice pack sale, the only people that got featured in said merch was Lulu and Debi, despite nearly 50 participating in said voice pack merchs.
Except this time they really shunned most of the girls in NijiEN, you fucking retard.

https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/w3y9w8j2l

>>24740020
The funny part is you can't even claim
>muh numbers/business
Because the 2nd male wave is a flop.

It's clearly just blatant favoritism.

>>24740300
They are flop compared to Luxiem, but they still perform better than girls.

Posting Emma's cute butt because why not
UUUOOHH

>>24693520
at least they got merch.
despite merging with the main branch, they couldn't even be bothered to tweet about Nagi's anniversary earlier today or Seffyna's recent cover on any Twitter account like they do for the JPs (including the Korean language one) and have excluded ID/KR from the seasonal VP/merch releases. they're still third class citizens despite the promise of being finally treated as equals.

>>24721932
>Nobody really needs permissions since almost all ToS allow content creators to stream and monetize their games.
Yes, content creators. Not corporations. That was the whole problem, Cover tried to pretend their idols were indies (but only where convenient for them) and to stick by what the YouTube algorithms would allow rather than following actual copyright law.
>Permissiongate happened because Capcom striked both Ghost trick endurance streams Mio played SIX months ago
Which they wouldn't have done if it was within their ToS, and which fans would've been more forgiving toward if Hololive hadn't have a similar run-in with Nintendo just a couple months before. In other words, what I said happened.
And hell, even then they didn't actually learn their lesson. How long did they allow unarchived EN karaoke with no permissions involved? A year? More? And yeah, they at least got on that one before it became a big issue, but it could've gone MUCH worse and there was no reason to play with fire there.

>Lazulight fans complaines about their merch
>drag holo to this shit anyways
What a surprise.

most of these posts are legit made up schizo shit from the resident nijihater generals that nobody bothered to call out. So now they brought it here like they are a topic of discussion that people are supposed to take seriously. How hard is it for holotourists to watch vtuber streams really

>>24740020
kek, Nijisanji is for Anycolor unless they don't bring the numbers

>>24693520
Nijinipples will remind you that they're one big happy family

>>24693520
You should address this issue on luxiem anime fest, do the red shirt blizzard thing or mass shootings idk

>>24740462
not by much

>>24741341
hololive lives rent free in nijinigger heads, please understand

>>24741237
>Yes, content creators. Not corporations. That was the whole problem, Cover tried to pretend their idols were indies (but only where convenient for them) and to stick by what the YouTube algorithms would allow rather than following actual copyright law.
The problem was never about corporations since there are youtubers and twitch streamers that are under corporations (for tax purposes) that can freely stream whatever they want. The problem was that vtubers created by a company was in a grey area for some companies.
>Which they wouldn't have done if it was within their ToS, and which fans would've been more forgiving toward if Hololive hadn't have a similar run-in with Nintendo just a couple months before. In other words, what I said happened.
Companies can strike even if it's within their ToS. Capcom striked because they didn't want hololive to stream their games since they had a deal with nijisanji.
Just look at how Muse dash dev decided to take away the permissions and cover had to private all Muse dash streams

>>24699344
>no merch for the girls because males perform better
>girls make less money and therefore have less resources for personal projects what would help them incline
>the girls don't incline therefore get less/no merch
Rinse and repeat. Wuth time the girls will be making so little money that they will not be able to survive only on vtubing. It's already happening with Rosemi who decided to go back to college after only 2 months of dropping out of her wagie jobs. But at this time who gives a shit right? There are already plenty of other people to watch so what's 1 vtuber less? Until it happens to your oshi but by then noone will give a shit outside of her fans.

>>24693520
Niching Chong Hanji is in chambles

>>24695892
Luna jumped ship to a company that does almost the same thing, but with boys getting the shitty end of the stick.

>>24699344
>and no one has ever indicated that they're being ignored or neglected due to Luxiem.
Pomu did on her last membership stream, and also talked how she always gets shit on by management when her personal, fully funded by herself projects underperform compared to some ridiculous metric management has.

>>24745243
She said nothing of the sort

How far up your asses are you numberfags buried? Lazu, Obsu, and Ether have all been supported. Do you want more favoritism to the girls and want the males to be treated as second class just, 'because muh male vtubers bad?' All waves, besides have had sponsored streams recently besides Nox. Which runs against the narrative you are trying to spin here.

>>24745243
>Pomu did on her last membership stream,
Clip it or bullshit.

>>24746849
Don't be retarded. I like the males, but Luxiem has had clear preferential treatment. Obsydia and Ethryia have barely had anything, and even LazuLight has had MUCH less than them despite being about twice as old. Even Luxiemfags on twitter can tell that much.

>>24693579
>>24696725
And they say holofags are corporate bootlickers.

>>24693520
Being a woman in niji is as disadvantageous as being a male in holo

>>24746849
Anon, the biggest numberfags are Anykara shareholders. It's no suprise that it's Luxiem that will be at AnimeFest, while Lazulight got some obsure one and others none at all.
It also no suprise that this happend >>24740020
To add on this on JP side you will often see the same people being sponsored over and over.

>>24743910
Nta, but those youtubers and twitch streamers freely stream whatever game they want, because it's still a gray area in NA/EU and no one actually wants to find out whether it's black or white in court. It absolutely isn't a gray area in JP, the original publisher holds/keeps the rights and can refuse/allow at any time they want.

>Capcom striked because they didn't want hololive to stream their games since they had a deal with nijisanji.
This is just peddling rrats. The Muse Dash dev also wasn't the one that revoked permissions, the publisher did. Instead the dev gets their name dragged through the mud, and the JP publisher gets to enjoy a review bombed game on steam because people can't wait a day or two to confirm anything.

>>24750812
Is it really though? I'm pretty sure if you asked anyone which of the two they prefer it has to be the former. Holostars is literally one foot in the grave, equivalent to Niji ID and KR while Niji girls still enjoy 10k+ CCVs.

>>24750812
Nah. It's disadvantageous, but Stars have it WAY worse compared to their company's big chuubas.

>>24693520
the girls know theyre better for it in the end with men leading thats why they dont give a fuck its just fans throwing a fit, Luxiem literally props NijiEN up with numbers that are competitive with most of HoloEN except Gura and by proxy of being in the same branch as Luxiem all of NijiEN has seen 20-40% viewership growth for even their midgets like Reimu over the last 4-5 months.

>>24693520
>more popular characters get more merch
Surely this isn't the first time in your life you've noticed this.

>>24751606
more merch isn't the issue, it's the timing of the announcement of merch. lazulight's was only on sale for 3 days before it was replaced with luxiem merch that won't be on sale for another 2 weeks

>>24747008 >>24750903
Let me ask you two autisticfags something, who in Ether or Obsu would want in on a convention? Should Lazulight get another convention lined up for themselves, because last one was 'obscure?' No they have already been previous conventions. Should management force Selen or Nina to put together their genmates to go to a convention? No, because they won't force Petra, Reimu, Millie, and or Enna into a situation that they'd be uncomfortable in when Lexium will voluntarily volunteer for the role.

>>24752116
>Lexium will voluntarily volunteer for the role.
That isn't up to them, it's up to the sponsor to request and pay for them. And given their big >noombers, they won't go cheap

>>24713301
They know why the females are not making money, but it can't be helped.

>>24751529
wrong

>>24752251
cope, your whores literally ride on the backs of men now.

>>24719375
>Except holo is more popular and every girl is more popular than the niji counterpart barring the few exceptions.
Side note, but why do Americans constantly do this?
>"Every" example, which then has "Some/few/an exception"
Why the fuck don't you just say "most" or "many"?

>>24752116
You believe they wouldn't go if asked? Lmao. Seems like you want to live in your delusion world, but reality is Nijisanji is heavy capitalistic company. They always will prioritise getting profit and Luxiem are the ones that bring it to them.

>>24718883
I promise you Selen is not hurting. I wish her roomie would work with Nijisanji for some custom, limited edition merch

>>24723371
People bullying Pikamee is truly the best example that SEA needs to be purged

>>24752194 >>24752371
Dodging the point I see. Not to belittle them, but Obsu and Ether are carried by their respective heavy hitters. Rosemi is too much a of a wallflower, Petra is too autistic; while Reimu, Millie, and Enna are just awkward to function as presenters. Selen would be laughing too much while Nina would be frustrated trying to rope in the crew. Lexium has a shy fellow in Mysta. Vox, Ike, Shu, and Luca though are capable of getting through a convention presentation.

>>24752527
YOU HAVE NO POINT. YOU'RE MOST DELUSIONAL RETARD I EVER SEEN ON THIS BOARD.

>>24693520
Literally all problems in /vt/ boils down to EN branches.
Holo and Niji works just fine in JP, and no one has to keep touting "Unity! Unity! Unity!", because being professional above all else is just common sense.

>>24752527
Your point is unrelated. If a convention wants Luxiem, they will pay for Luxiem. If they want one of the girls waves, they will pay for one of the girls waves. It has nothing to do with Luxiem "volunteering" to go to the convention.
(As a minor note, I don't see Luca getting through a convention presentation)

Bump

>>24693520
Can't believe they would rather prioritize the ones whom have also bots to their ass to push up their streams rather than the girls who are somewhat decent at streaming but since they're in a male-focused company, would never be able to thrive to the maximum of their capacity.

>>24693520
Luxiem > Lazu obys erectra