/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>24664188
>sora
I thought she graduated in February?

>>24664188
Watching them wouldn't do shit. She needs to collab with them if she actually wants to help them(but in reality, she doesn't give a fuck about them. Two faced bitch)

>>24664188
I want to Rape Sora in all her holes.

Send help Anons I'm hearing voices in my head

>oberetai writing ch

>>24664626
Fine, here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gwh2y6Mkjg

>>24664188
I fucking hate the comment section. Nothing but redditniggers.

>>24664539
Yeah just like Mori collabing with Rikka got him out of 3view hell. Oh wait.

>>24664188
bruh, like who cares? im not going to watch an inferior product just because this whore told me to watch it.

Holy fuck the people in this thread can't fucking read.

>>24665016
People who think holopro cross-gender collab is good ways to promote Stars has not looked into the historical events of Stars. And do not have in-depth understanding of Holopro's structure.

>>24664188
Sora-daisenpai says it's rude not to know who other members (Holostars) in the same production company are.
Professionally, you should
Practically, no. Aqua once went to Minecraft EN server, saw some ID statue, she can't remember an ID holomem's name, she also didn't know Ollie's surname is Kureiji. (if some anon ask for sauce, some kind anon please show timestamp)

Hololive has a lot of members, and some Holomem rarely collab or cross path with another, it definitely make sense if you don't remember all names (though unprofessional)

>>24664188
Seeing anyone refer to the holostars as bois autistically fills me with rage.

>>24665016
Mori speaks no Japanese. She will never be a good collab partner for them.

I never knew so many people hate Sora

>>24667059
Numberfags mainly, they hate her for not graduating because she hasn't hit 1 million yet

>>24664188
>average Holostars fan

>>24667216
Are numberfags really that low? Damn

>>24667796
Hey I don’t understand Japanese ok?

>>24666270
holostars = bois

>>24667059
They hate her because she contradicts what nu-Hololive fans want the company to be. She's a living reminder that Hololive members used to collab with men just fine until most of them became greedy for unicorn bucks.

>>24667059
she's from hololive
enough reason for retards here to blindly hate on her or falseflag against her

>>24664539
>in reality, the audience doesn't give a fuck about them
fify
collab beggars only see the girls as a tool and it's pathetic
if they need growth, they have to find their own audience

>>24664188
She's just doing it to save her face whenever they have to do concert together in the future, nothing more

>>24667796
kek, homobeggars BTFO again.

>>24668233
Funny because Sora never actually collabed with the Homostars and she pulled the absolutely retarded "we don't want to upset the Holostars female fans" card when she was on Arurans totsu.

>>24668359
Thanks for repeating exactly what she said

>>24668350
The entire point of a company is networking.
Hololive isn't a family, it's a group of greedy women acting in their best interests through networking. Holostars are excluded from the network. It's merely two sides acting in their best interests, none can claim moral superiority over the other.

>>24668533
>The entire point of a company is networking.
No, I'm pretty sure the entire point is to make money.

>>24668533
Hololive isn't a family, but Holostars is. The Stars themselves don't want to use the girls just to gain views, and if you look at their group collabs you get the feeling that they actually are the "family" that Hololive pretends to be.

>>24668533
Holostars are literally not Hololive. It doesn't matter if you pretend that they are, just so you can then go and complain about how most of the girls ignore them when Cover made them separate entities to begin with.

>>24668565
The entire point of a company from the talents perspective. The point of joining an agency is to network and leech popularity.
The company's point overall is to make money. From the talents point its to leech.

>>24665016
Yeah, it was one of her worst performing collab songs. Spiral Tones took like 8 months to get to 1 million views. The only thing worst performing for Mori was Ibasho, a shill song for PriConne which still hasn't hit 1 million yet on either her channel or crunchyroll one.

>>24668879
The reason you join an agency is the viewers you get from the brand name alone. Leeching from other members is a meme. And on the topic of male vTubers, Luxiem didn't need to leech to become more successful than the Niji girls. They mogged the girls before they even debuted.

>>24665016
Pretty sure most, if not all of Rikka's shit with Matsuri out performed his shit with Mori. EN fanbase doesn't give a shit about Stars, they just like to try and saviorfag but when it comes time to put up or shut up they are nowhere to be seen.

>>24669264
EN Holofags don't, but a lot of the EOPs who watched the Holostars for their own sake stuck around for quite some time. Just goes to show that the audience for males and females just isn't the same.

>>24669264
>EN
The Hololive fanbase as a whole does not give a shit about the Stars, it has been proven time and time again that Hololive collabs do not help viewership, not with Mori who had 60k live viewers on her and Rikka, or Suisei’s Cinema Cover with Astel and Izuru. Sure it might make them aware of them, but they never actually watch streams. Roberu’s collabs with Tamaki have infinitely paid off more than any collab with a Hololive girl has ever had.

>>24664539
she always calls in their totsus and even give them shout outs if they're part of an event

>>24669597
This.
This person knew his Star stuff.

>>24668662
Man, this might be why I always have reservations nowadays when watching holos, a small part of me knows in the back of my mind that there's a thin veneer of made up persona, but watching stars is like hanging out with your bros

>>24664188
Whore

>>24670260
Nah you're just having double standards. In Astel & Matsuri Apex collab, Astel said "everything about vtuber is a lie"

Being colleagues or in same company doesn't necessarily make two people close, you talk to your colleague on daily basis and you don't even contact him after work. Two people being best friends is highly dependent on affinity of personalities, rather than just being in same class/company.

>>24668963
the worst part is that her and Rikka singing spiral tones live sounded way more soulful than any of her other music and the recorded edited version.

>>24668662
>Holostars
soul
>Hololive
soulless
its just that easy

>>24670578
>Two people being best friends is highly dependent on affinity of personalities, rather than just being in same class/company.
>Expecting people /here/ to understand this
ngmi

>I-I'm not like the others!

>>24664312
that's AI-chan anon

>the ceo handpicks your first generation and you can always come to him with your questions and problems
>your management will do anything for you because they care so much
>everyone seems very chill on the surface and likely are underneath too
>get to collab with the ceo and play video games with him
why would you ever want to be in hololive? why wouldn't a girl try to do a shota voice or a shonen voice and just apply for holostars auditions?
hololive seems like garbage in comparison aside from the pay differences

>>24671107
>why would you ever want to be in hololive?
Ayame

>>24670578
nobody said they had to be bffs forever. casual friends is perfectly acceptable

>>24668430
I'm not one to beg for collabs but that coming from her upset me a bit. A genuinely stupid excuse since the Stars do have gachikois but they aren't unicorn friendly in the slightest. The only members that could have fans of that level are bossu and Izuru but even then those two have collabed and interacted with women just fine before.

>>24671467
Working with people does not mean you are going to be even just casual friends with all of them. Shit I work with people who I could not give less of a shit about outside of work.

>>24670697
Any female content creator would kill to get in Hololive, you get insane amounts of money and viewers just for simply existing, you don’t even have to stream and you’ll still be better off than plenty other chubas busting their ass.
Holostars however...you HAVE to enjoy streaming to join, otherwise, what are you even joining for? You don’t get the automatic success the girls do, so they actually stream because they like to.

>>24664188
I know who they are, i just don't care enough to watch any of them.

>>24669597
So you are both right and wrong. The truth is collabing with the hologirls would help the holostars in the same way that robe got it from tamaki. This is due to how the demonic entity know. As the YouTube algorithm works

Rikka proved this with Masturi, back when they were collabing all the time. The super short version is by being on another channel consiently will get the recommended video algorithm to associate each other. So things that are related to tamaki will also relate to robe.

Basically a one off collabing means nothing but multiple collabs in a certain time period will do everything.

>>24672603
Are you going to suggest that we should redefine cultures next?

>>24672603
>Rikka proved this with Matsuri
It's very likely that Matsuri lost more than what Rikka gained. Also, if this is a good or viable idea, they would have continued, but they didn't.

To be exact, they try the cross-gender Holopros collab once in a while. It seemed like a desperate attempt to give Stars exposure, which never seemed to be a good idea.

>>24671491
>>24668430
NFN Sora and Subaru, the two that have said this, to my knowledge, there maybe more probably aren’t using it as an excuse.
They were around when miyabi was getting destroyed by the hololive fans in his beginnings. And it was just miyabi. Izaru was in school more and Kira was sick, flower boy took the brunt of all the hate,vitriol, suicide baiting, and death threats on his own.
With yagoo managing them too, there’s no way this wasn’t a topic between the talents, him, and cover management I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a lingering fear that it could happen again, but worse with the bigger fame and popularity, that all the gems around that time have.

>>24672677
Meds and touch grass anon.

>>24672866
Some people, like Roberu don’t like leeching. Just because it’s good and viable doesn’t mean the talents will do it.

And it can’t be once in a while. It has to be consistent.

>>24673008
>it can’t be once in a while. It has to be consistent.
you mean turning holo girls into accessories for the stars like niji girls?

>>24672603
Hey I remember you
You're That Guy from the holostarEN thread few days ago right?

>>24673112
Yes he means that.

>>24673112
First take meds
Second consistently doesn’t mean that. Bimonthly or even monthly can work easily. A good collab will have multiple clips that will have x and y together. As both the clips and vods get views the algorithm associated x with y and vice versa. This is why back in the beginning if you watched Gura you would get a lot of ame stuff or mori with kiara, but you wouldnt get as much ina unless you were already a tako, until there was a bunch of those monthly group collabs that ina participated in and got more heavily associated in the algorithm with the other 4. It’s how the stupid thing works you dingus. Not everyone pointing out that you don’t understand something is collab begging.

>>24673112
>>24673237
But the girls have far more members and performing far better than Stars. So he's suggesting we turn the core product into accessories for the sub product? Are you sure?

>>24673394
No that is mostly a hyperbole because it won't amount to anything anyway, the thing being referenced is that he is a faggot that want everything to be Nijisanji.

>>24673112
The guy that was talking about changing everything in vague terms and 10% gambles? No I’m not.
Personally I no longer care if the girls collabs with the boys as they are happy right now. It’s just annoying to see people keep claiming collabs don’t help when the issue isn’t collabs are useless but more that one shot collabs are useless

>>24671491
You’re mostly right but I’d just like to correct you on one point so people don’t get the wrong idea:
Izuru doesn’t actually collab with women much less with vtubers outside of holostars (unless Astel forcibly drags him like when he introduced Izuru to Meika last year)
The first and only time Izuru ever collabed with a women was during the Vsaikyo 3 shuffle match when Hal placed him in the same team as 774’s Fuma Wat (Matsuri’s teammate)

>>24673386
Doesn't work with subachocoluna(+tan) Choco and Luna keep staying behind in numbers.

The collab beggars' main line of attack is that the Hololive fanbase don't watch Holostars because they don't know they exist. But they absolutely do. They know they exist the same way you know nail salons exist walking past them every time you go to the supermarket. They're just...irrelevant. The supermarket can give out 80% off vouchers for nail salons every time you bought your groceries and you would throw them into the trash.
Not a single collab beggar has ever explained why you should watch any of the holostars. Only that they 'don't have enough exposure'.

Fact is that they have no hook to get a typical male viewer interested and then invested.
Will they stay a while for the cute voice, mannerisms, and model like holos? Fuck no.
Will most people empathize with the fairytale of a guy trying to become an idol? I mean if he does it then good for him, but really why should I care unless he's already really big and I'm fascinated by his celebrity?
Will most people stay to listen to really good singing? No, it's a dude singing. Maybe if your roommate is someone already well-known like Eve I guess - again basking in celebrity.
Will they stay because they're playing some really cool obscure game that they want to see but not play themselves? Ye - well, actually, no, because they never fucking play anything interesting.
Will they stay because of personality? Maybe, but you can't get to the stage you actually get to express your personality to them, because they click off the stream ten seconds in for all the reasons above!

The only other method is to be really, really good at the game and have people watch you for that, then get attached to your personality. But by its very nature there's very few people who can excel in both those aspects. Collabs are next to useless. You can put a reminder in the audiences minds that ,'oh yeah these guys exist', and a fraction of them might even click on a stream the next time it's on, but there's nothing to hold them there. The "new" viewers from collabs are like oil floating on water.
And frankly this applies to many of the lower viewcount hologirls. It's not as though people don't know they exist, that they don't appear practically everywhere, that they don't appear in so many hologras and events on the main channel, or that they don't collab. Their regular content and appeal just isn't for most people. That's all there is to it.

>>24673498
>The guy that was talking about changing everything in vague terms and 10% gambles? No I’m not.
You're sus as hell bro, you remember what he said quite well (I bet most people just remembered him as begging)

>It’s just annoying to see people keep claiming collabs
1) Do you think Cover has no idea about the algorithm thing?
2) Cover did let Matsuri and Rikka collabed frequently in the past (exactly the action you suggested). Why do you think they stopped it? Or why don't they do more of it? (if the thing worked magically like what you said)

Cover let Stars did their concert, it proved Cover has intention to help Stars, but why don't they use your magical and easy cross-gender collab method? If it is a good way to help the Star.

>>24664539
Why do you think she would or should "help" them? She's just being polite as a coworker. It's a work environment, not a close-knit group.

>>24673758
>Will they stay because they're playing some really cool obscure game that they want to see but not play themselves? Ye - well, actually, no, because they never fucking play anything interesting.
This one is a yes. Roberu plays something obscure first then Hololive plays the same game later and gets all the views. See Vampire Survivor.

>>24673832
>but why don't they use your magical and easy cross-gender collab method?
Because they're not willing to sacrifice the girls for Holostars? Towa and Matsuri can collab with them but it doesn't work because no one gives a shit about those girls. The Collab needs to be fresh, they'll get 100k+ viewers easily if Cover paired Holostars with top members like Pekora/Miko/Marine and do a variety show collab.

>>24674066
>Because they're not willing to sacrifice the girls for Holostars?
And now he starts again.

>>24664188
Which Star has the best chance to give Sora-daisenpai a child?
Hard mode: Not Roberu because he is busy being gang raped by the Mea girls

>>24673832
I implore you to take your meds.
Of course cover knows about the algorithm, that’s not the point. It’s the people here that usually don’t.
As for why matsuri and rikka stopped? Who the fuck knows. Perhaps the old man got sick of her menharas. Perhaps matsuri didn’t want to do things with an old man that can drink her under the table. Maybe there’s scheduling issues. Perhaps the holoroid is married or in a relationship and the so got jelly. Maybe rikka fucked her mother and she walked in on it. Who the fuck knows. What I do know is your looking for a fight or a reason to be crotchety instead of taking meds.

>>24674124
Rio.

I just find it highly ironic that the biggest upboats on reddit had bigger numbers than Homo's 3D CCV. Where da viewers at exactly?

>>24674124
I'm cuck so I don't care if it was anyone who does it.

>>24674397
They are EOPs that eagerly await starsEN and when they finally get their wish they are going to make at least ten posts on leddit about how much they love them.
The numbers will stay the same though.

Isn't this the girl who said that she thinks she can't collab with Holostars due to offending their female gachikoi (who are near nonexistent unless you think newfag EOP miyabifags are worth anything)

>>24664188
>Sora
>Literal 0th gen
>2017 debut on YouTube
>Almost similar subcount to Polka
>Significantly less views than Polka
>Three year difference
Can someone explain how this happens is it because she advertises the faggotbranch?

>>24670642
Yeah, their decision to auto-tune Rikka's voice in the studio version is baffling to me.

>>24674653
The faggotbranch is Hololive

>>24674704
Then they do it with Matsuri's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm8Ej2xG_O8

Like I know the original cover is also autotuned for the male but it's so awkward, it sounds like the mixer can't make up his mind whether roberu should be a lead vocal or not

>>24668533
Go back to twitter troon collab beggar

>>24674653
She’s not special in any way and is not genuine at all

Oh boy, another thread of beggars who don't even watch streams saying they have to force the girls to collab with them, weird guys saying they're homos for being males (they are also males) and you're gay if you watch them, and other reddit-lite comments in between.
Lovely.

>>24667216
>>24668035
Stop lying. Numberfags don't hate Sora.

>>24674704
its soooo stupid
he sounds so good in the live version man...

>>24674822
Everyone knows that girls fucking each other is the straightest form of sex since it has completely removed the gayest part of sex which is the man

>>24675054
/thread

>homobeggers at in again
why don't you fags do something for stars to get them attention rather than whining about girls

>>24675054
It feels like beggars are mostly EOP holofags that don't even watch Stars considering most of their "collabing with the girlz will help the boys" post have no understanding how different the audiences for the Stars and Hologirls are. Fans of girls won't watch the boys because their not really interested in them, you'll see tons of post on reddit when a funny clip or interesting stream is posted about the boys saying shit like "Wow! That was funny! You should totally support the guys but I'll never watch them myself because I don't watch dudes" and then they start whining and crying over why the boys aren't as popular and why Nijisanji is mogging the girls currently since their male branch is actually doing well. Cover can market the guys to the Holokeks all they want but the dudes that watch the girls will never actually support the guys, the boys have their own fanbase they built because they already know this. Anyone who says collabs with the girls will help them is delusional or saviorfag that won't even watch the Stars themselves.

>>24669350
I think the overlap between male and female audiences is bigger than what you're making it sound like. There just is 0 overlap between hololive fans in particular and male audiences.

>>24675511
As a guy who actually watches and enjoys the stars as they are now, that's what I'm scared of. Those shitty eops are kept away from the guys now because they're eops, they can't understand them, but I can see a fuck load of them latching onto the en guys when they debut and fucking constantly badgering them about all kinds of garbage like collabing with the girls. If they don't they'll cry about for months on end, and if they do it's highly likely both the guys who watch the girls will be unhappy and people like me who enjoy the "boys only" atmosphere will be unhappy. I fuckin hate them so much.
pic rel
I especially hate that pig vtuber and shitty cat pfp

>>24675690
What the fucking christ did I just read?
Are EOP vchuubafags that delusional?
They do know the StarsJP guys don't want to be known just for being accessories or collabing with the girls, right? It's why they built their own audience and have their own fanbase.
These fucks are acting like Hololive should just be Nijisanji 2 because their either salty about "muh idol culture" or they don't know shit about Holostars which they clearly don't considering their just bitching about wanting an EN branch for the boys because NijiEN is doing well and want the exact same thing even though it would probably end up hurting the StarsEN boys (if they ever come out) since people will only watch them expecting collabs with the girls instead of genuinely taking an interest in them. I feel so bad for whoever the guys are going to be, their going to be met with a sea of shit with people begging for collabs or expecting them to be like Luxiem. I hope to god they actually just do their own thing and enjoy themselves, the Stars fanbase is so quiet and peaceful right now, I don't want freaks bothering the new guys because they'll be able to understand them and using them to try and "bridge the gap" between the Hologirls and the Stars. These boys don't even exist yet and people are already treating them like tools.

>>24673512
I know that. Izuru is my oshi. Just thought that it wasn't necessary to get into details unless someone asked, but overall Izuru isn't unicorn friendly despite his autism around women.

>>24664188
>otakmori

>>24664188
whi is that girl on the right?

>>24676613
That's a dude, everyone in Holostars is a dude.

>>24676613
The designated sex toy of holostars

>>24666078
Why is Aqua such a bitch?

Let me try to recap “Promoting Stars with Holopro cross-gender collab” topic

> [1] Hologirls fanbase knew Stars
> [2] However, Stars don’t even have 10% of girls’s popularity, this proved Holofans is not interested in Stars. (Holofans knew Stars but chosen not to watch them)
> [3] Therefore, promoting Stars to Holofans is almost a futile effort

> [4] Hypothesis: Holofans demand femininity but Stars don’t have it, so Holofans are not interested in Stars.
[4b] Evidence: The highly feminine Kaoru used to be the most popular Star, experienced exceptional popularity rise compared to other Stars.

> [5] Does Holopro cross-gender collab give Stars new fans? Yes. Pretty sure.
For example, Rikka appeared in Mori’s 60k CCV live, I’m sure Rikka has at least gotten 1 new fan from that.
> [6] Does Holopro cross-gender collab bring harm to talents and the company? Yes. Pretty sure.
[6b] Evidence: Stars collab with females outside Holo quite frequently, but extremely rare with Holos.
[6c] Evidence: Rikka and Matsuri collabed a lot, took a lot of backlash, Rikka was allegedly doxxed by JP antis.

> [7] Does Holopro cross-gender collab bring more good than harm? Probably not.
Holofans are not interested in Stars, the gain is trivial.
But It will hurt the popularity of Holos. Also might bring Stars/Holos some antis to deal with. And controversies & drama in the community and social media. Depending on frequency of collab and participants, it will give off a signal that Hololive is turning into Nijisanji, making a lot of customers leaving.

>>24666078
I watch Hololive every day but I don't necessarily remember half of the JP members surnames or even a few people like Sana.

>>24676894
basically the gist of all this is that, the StarsEN boys should be more like their senpais and build their own fanbase and not rely on collabs with the girls because the audience for the girls won't watch them anyways, they need their own fans but they'll probably get bothered by beggars expecting Hololive to magically become Nijisanji once they debut

>>24664539
>Watching them wouldn't do shit. She needs to collab with them if she actually wants to help them
Begging for collabs won't do shit either
Watch the stars instead of begging for collabs
It's clear as fuck the audiences that watch the girls won't be interested at the boys no matter how much you shove the the girls and boys collabs to their face
The audiences that watch the girls want to watch anime girls not anime boys nor anime girls interacting with anime boys

>>24676834
she's retarded, pls andahstan

>>24674346
Rio's RM is a woman no?

>>24674397
Please andasatand
They're busy upvoting posts at leddit
Best case they only watch a few clips kek

>>24674653
She is...kind of plain I guess?
She definitely has her own place but she is not really for everyone
She doesn't have that really hype vibe with her which was usually found in popular youtubers in general

>>24677366
No, he once told a story where someone grabbed his ass one time thinking he was a girl. So, he's probably a teenage boy or a feminine dude.

>>24675511
>It feels like beggars are mostly EOP holofags that don't even watch Stars
Yeah, they only want to play saviorfag without doing the part or for the sake of hating muh idol culture
The ones who actually watch the stars usually hate the collab beggars

>>24675690
Kek did more screenshots get added to the image?
>muh idol culture
>lack of support from cover to stars
>collab ban between boys and girls
>management mandate
It shows that they never watch streams nor understand how Cover works
I pity you ENbros sometimes for having to deal with these shits

>>24676613
Minase Rio
Don't know about the RM but he's a member from the newest gen of stars
I thinks

>>24677047
>they'll probably get bothered by beggars expecting Hololive to magically become Nijisanji once they debut
StarsEN will attract new fans, and new fans don’t know collab begging won’t work. Also, StarsEN fans should have a good portion of westerners who don’t understand Idol culture, yup more collab begging. I can definitely see (forsee) the collab begging when StarsEN arrived.

Before Uproar’s debut, they were greeted by HoloID, Rio talked about his stance on interacting with Holos on twitter. This made me worried about one thing. Before StarsEN debut, HoloEN especially Mori might greet StarsEN excitedly on twitter. And this leads to all sorts of things. You can call Ollie drama queen, but she brought some exposure to Astel, and Ollie handled their relationship very well (no yab). But if it’s Mori and StarEN, oh boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

What if StarEN is somone like Connor or a male Mori? It gets more scarier when I think about it. What if StarEN are 5 yab guys that brings shitstorm to Stars brand? Scary…..

>>24676894
>Rikka was allegedly doxxed by JP antis
Everyone in Hololive is doxxed if possible.

Can you imagine how good the Stars viewcount would be if every person who whines about how bad their views are actually watched them?

>>24678060
i hope the StarsEN boys will be play this smart and Cover actually picks guys who know that doing anything yab as a Holostar with any of the girls will cause a shitstorm, they'll have to work around beggars bothering them for collabs, work around being compared to Niji males, AND work around EOP sperging about "muh idol culture" since they'll be the only male idol group around that speak english...sheesh...these boys are in for some shit

>>24677603
His singing voice and laughs sounds like a girl ngl
>a teenage boy
His streaming schedule seems to be very hectic for a teenager
I think he might be an office worker
But I'm not really sure since I only watched his debut and tuned in a few times for his utawakus

>>24678275
If even half the spergs and beggars actually watched the boys people would never complain about them having low views again.

>>24678060
>What if StarEN are 5 yab guys that brings shitstorm to Stars brand?
Isn't that why it takes a while for StarsEN auditions?

>>24678350
I've watched his streams and he seems pretty young or at least sounds like it so he might be a University student like Izuru was before he graduated from school (I think this year).

>>24678420
Amy publiticy is ngood puvlicity

>>24678420
Probably. Most people that are auditioning are most likely only there to try and get closer to the girls instead of actually being a Holostar or wanting to be a vtuber since the StarsJP boys are mostly doing this for fun and want Holostars to grow.

Most Starfans hate collab begging, coz Holofans don’t watch dudes.
>But how about music collab between Stars and Holos?
Is this a good idea to promote Stars? Or Holofans also don’t listen to dudes singing?

Off-topic: Izuru’s “Monologue in a row” is a beautiful masterpiece, with artistic/poetic lyrics, this song was filled with soul.

>>24678736
Promoting them together is fine. Music collabs are fine since their just singing.
Rikka is basically the default guy in Stars for music since his voice is god tier, I don't think anyone complains about their songs.

And yes, Izuru's music is amazing.

>>24678103
I phrased it wrongly. During the backlash, there were a lot of rrats that claimed Rikka roomate has done some disgraceful things, also claimed his roomate is a certain person with a certain past (I don't know the full story, I heard people discussed about it once, nasty backlash of Rikka Matsuri)

>>24674653
It's because she's even more "relaxing" (you know what I mean) than Ina. Watching her is the equivalent to eating raw potatoes when you could be eating a delicious juicy steak. You can do that but why would you? There are better alternatives in hololive, that's all. Also, her sleep inducing BGM she plays half the time doesn't help and she does this on purpose to help some people sleep which apparently makes her happy.

>>24678655
>Most people that are auditioning are most likely only there to try and get closer to the girls instead of actually being a Holostar or wanting to be a vtuber
StarsEN sounds more and more like a risky project

>>24679209
it's extremely risky and they'll probably be treated like shit or mishandled by Cover depending on how they'll be received or how their debuts will go

>>24679209
I just hope Cover can do a good job filtering those people out
It will disastrouos if the "viewers" are collab beggers and the talents are people with ulterior motives toward the girls

>>24679357
that's probably why the auditions are still going, people are getting filtered hard by Cover

> Conspiracy time (no meds needed)

Nijisanji has a lot of male talents and male applicants. They send some male applicants to audition for StarsEN. Later one of them was successfully accepted into StarEN. Five months later, on his birthday stream, he made a confession that he actually deeply fell in love with Pekora. Cover tried to halt the stream as quickly as possible, but the news and vod has spreaded around.

Now what can Cover do with him? Sue him for breach of contract? Terminate him or force him to take break because he made a love confession? What would the community think? This won’t end well for both Stars and Holos branch.

>>24678060
>Before Uproar’s debut, they were greeted by HoloID, Rio talked about his stance on interacting with Holos on twitter.

And what was that stance, anon?

>>24679870

>>24679825
Sounds pretty unlikely considering you actually need to know something about Holostars to be a Holostar.
The Uproar guys are all fans of their senpais so if some guy auditioned for Nijisanji over Cover beforehand he'd be kicked for not knowing shit about his own senpais.

>>24664188
based sora, true unity

>>24679870
Something like this

Rio: I'm gay but if you girls can talk to me if you are desperate

>>24679913
>you actually need to know something about Holostars to be a Holostar
Maybe this is why it takes so long for starsEN

>>24679891
That's a pretty based stance desu.

>>24679956
My thoughts too. After Luxiem rocketed up, the pool of potenial EN male applicants will be FILLED with nijiEN rejects who barely know Holostars and have an entirely different conception of what the career will be like versus HoloPro.

Trusting any anons here may be the dumbest shit ever but in the last few weeks I've seen some people post their audition video metrics and other related info. One of them apparently is a musician/singer from Twitch who got in and the other one is some British lad who had his whole 2 minutes(?) video viewed and was still waiting for an interview, so quite likely someone with a nice voice or voice acting abilities.
If – and it’s a very big if - any of them are to be trusted then we'll likely get a boy band level group filled with musicians and voice actors. How entertaining they'll be in terms of audience interaction and gaming is yet to be seen but it somehow makes sense to have this kind of group seeing how Yagoo is aiming for idol/boy band niche.

>>24679913
>you actually need to know something about Holostars to be a Holostar.
Sometimes, Cover makes me want to believe them. But many said Cover recruits StarEN as a panic response to Luxiem. Now I’m not confident if StarsEN is still Yagoo’s love project.

>>24680176
>But many said Cover recruits StarEN as a panic response to Luxiem.
NijiEN or what?

>>24674486
Pretty much. To them it's all about virtue signaling and feeling good about "being on the right side of history", rather than actually enjoying and contributing to streams.

>>24679891
>>24680039
Uproar boys have all been good boys so far so I have some semblance of hope for the StarsEN.
I just want nice English boys to hangout with the StarsJP so they can speak english together.

>>24680222
Not sure what you're asking
Luxiem is NijiEN right?

>>24680706
>I just want nice English boys to hangout with the StarsJP so they can speak english together.
Which few Stars have decent English?

>>24679825
That was an interesting rrats
If that ever happen I think this is how things will turn out
>Cover
I think at most Cover can only release a statement that the talents private lives has got nothing to do with them just like the statement they released for Rushia. Because it's not a violation of their contract right? They only forbid relationships between the talents and the staffs as far as I know
But there will be people blaming Cover I supposed

>Pekora
As long as Pekora straight forwardly reject him and perhaps didn't do anything with him afterwards, she'll mostly be fine but expect rrats to be thrown around by antis or schizos

>The mole
The mole will probably get hunt down by nousagis but will get supported by retarded EOP

>Retarded EOP
They will parade around muh idol culture, toxic fanbase and it's okay to have a boyfriend

>People with brain and understand the system in Hololive
They will probably confused why the mole pull this sort of unprofessional move

>>24680715
One of the thing that was disclosed form the discord leak was that they believed that the auditions for starsEN was in direct response to them.

>>24679891
Kek I remember this one
Very based of him to tell off that twittard
This actually made me interested to check the Uproar boys especially Rio

>>24680842
I think one thing you both fail to take into account is that Pekora herself or whoever the mole would imply to be in a relationship with would be pretty pissed and possibly raise hell against him and possibly legal action.

>>24680118
it would be a miracle if StarsEN boys are actual fans of HolostarsJP considering how little EOP pay any attention to the guys because they only watch the girls, i'll kneel forever if Cover manages to pull through and find guys who are talented, seiso AND are Starsfans

>>24680320
Redditfags and collab beggars just want to preach about how "unfair" and "muh banned collabs" are with the Hologirls and Stars but they'll never watch the boys and aren't even Starfans that enjoy their content, they only know the boys through clips and complain they can't understand them as the reason why they don't watch them

>>24680176
>But many said Cover recruits StarEN as a panic response to Luxiem
From NIjiEN's discord leak right?
Cover doesn't seem to adapt the "rush out products" style

>>24681007
>it would be a miracle if StarsEN boys are actual fans of HolostarsJP considering how little EOP pay any attention to the guys
> i'll kneel forever if Cover manages to pull through and find guys who are talented, seiso AND are Starsfans
EXAAAAAACTLY my thoughts. Couldn't be said better.
>they only know the boys through clips and complain they can't understand them as the reason why they don't watch them
Perfectly said.

>>24680979
That anon only give a what if the mole confessed his love circumstance, not what if the mole is making rrats that he is in a relationship with the hologirls

>>24680886
Aren't the NijiEN guys tribalfags? or at least that one dude is?
StarsEN was something Cover has been thinking of since last year after they figured out that the Stars had so many english fans

>>24681164
Oh sorry, i missed that.

>>24681099
>From NIjiEN's discord leak right?
Not sure where the narrative came from (maybe from discord leak). But the timing for StarEN recruitment was weird, almost as if Cover is trying to recruit StarEN to replicate Luxiem's success. (but I don't follow Niji stuff so I might misunderstood things)

>>24681007
I think it would be good enough as long as Cover can find some guys with the motivation to make money and no ulterior motives with the girls
Might be impossible when the possible applicants saw the contrast between Stars and NIjiEN's males

>>24681285
People tend to forget that it was a barrage of announcement around that time and people almost missed starsEN unless i remember wrong.

>>24680979
Legal action against someone for confessing?

>>24681179
Well then they kinda dropped the ball didn't they? Niji managed to debut 1 male group which is now consistently earning top $ in vbuter industry and a second one which may not be as great as the first one but is still earning good money and outperforming many hololive girls in terms of generated revenue.
Many people here, including myself, justly hate Vox for his fujo pandering but let's be frank here: the whole point of business is to make money and having group like Luxiem would have boosted Cover's earnings and increased JP stars popularity. Also, I hope you anons saw the job listing for marketing position which requires experience with content targeted towards women? If you think you're safe from fujo pandering content you're gonna have a bad day once they debut.

>>24681285
The timing is kind of weird indeed, maybe that is one of the reasons, but HoloID3 and Uproar also came out around the same time so maybe they're just pushing more gen? The old gens have been around long enough after all
If I'm not mistaken most of the Luxiem boys audiences are Chinese women right? I heard they are big in B2
I also have tuned in once in Vox's stream out of curiosity and the chats are mostly in Chinese language
So I think Cover still has a chance if they are aiming for western market

>>24681443
>>24681191 (me)
I missed that it was just a confession, i'm so used with 4chan rrats that i automatically assumed that it was going to be some wild claim from /here/

I only know Sora because people won't shut up about her. Made me check her out multiple times and given me closing stream a few minutes in and her overall numbers make me conclude she should graduate so we can stop pretending she has any relevance in this time and age. This includes her opinion on the agency Holopro

>>24673498
>It’s just annoying to see people keep claiming collabs don’t help when the issue isn’t collabs are useless but more that one shot collabs are useless
How are all those collabs working out for Oga? Dude probably has the most frequent Hololive collabs thanks to Fubuki and despite everything Fubuki is still one of the most well known and popular Hologirls, everyone knows about Foxdemon. If collabs help so much how he is still one of the least popular Holostars?

>>24681471
>Well then they kinda dropped the ball didn't they? Niji managed to....
Niji tapped from china market, and Cover has no access to it. Cover has lost the china market but that is a very dangerous place. I would like to see Niji lasts longer than Cover in China market, before I can decide who did better. Also, a small size public company targeting China market could end up very badly.
>the job listing for marketing position which requires experience with content targeted towards women
This concerns me but hopefully its just normal marketing not fujo pandering.

>>24674653
She was the most subbed Holo until 2020.
But then all the other girls blew up and she was kind of isolated from everyone else, almost never having any collabs, only really doing music stuff and rarely streaming, very similar to Azki. She got better over the years, but I think she's also just too plain or boring for most Holofags, similar to other less popular Holos.

HoloJP and HoloEN has separate management team.
>What about StarEN? Are they managed by an entirely new EN team? They can't be sharing Stars' management team right? I heard HoloEN's management is kinda shitty.

>>24682138
You know the events very well, are you Soratomo?

>>24681471
>expecting Cover to do anything competent with their male branch
Cover has consistently shown they don't know shit about female audiences and how to market to them considering they keep marketing their boys to Holokeks who'll only watch anime girls.
Uproar even had an absolute shit debut timing by releasing them along side new girls which, surprise, surprise, most of the viewers went to see the girls and it's only Starsfans that actually care about the boys that went to watch the debuts.
Fujo pandering is unavoidable but it's not how Stars works since StarsJP doesn't really pander to anyone and the only fujo pairings are between Roberu/Shien and HanaKishin which are pretty small and more like jokes. People don't watch Stars for fujo stuff, they watch them because they like the boys being themselves.

i want every hololive girl to be forced to collab with holostars, not because i care about the stars, but just because i want unicorns to suffer.

>>24664188
Didn't she give them some shitty lip service about not wanting to piss off their gachikoi? I love her but she should really shut up when it comes to talking about the guys. It doesn't help them that much.

>>24682101
Nijimales have always been popular in the chink market since they haven't stepped on any landmines yet. Kuzuha and Kanae were their biggest fujoship until Luxiem came along and their very, very aware of that to the point where their marketed together with their own ship name that I honestly don't know.

>>24681781
>If collabs help so much how he is still one of the least popular Holostars?
Different anon here but I can simulate that anon for you.
Because algorithm, yes algorithm. If Oga's popularity doesn't increase, it's probably because he didn't collab consistently with Fubuki, The keyword here is “Consistently”. Remember when Fubuki did shiny magikarp endurance for endless hours and days? Fubuki was basically staring at same image and doing zatsudan. Fubuki has all the time in the world. If Oga called in for voice chat, Consistently, the algorithm will work its magic and Oga will get past Roberu in a flash.

I’m sorry.

>>24682374
average homobeggar mentality
at least you're honest about it instead of pretending that you care about the Stars

>>24681471
the Stars are also marketed towards a female audience and most of their audience is women but their not fujos, their just women who like the boys because their funny and some of them think their cute, fujo pandering isn't really a thing in Stars

>>24682374
Even the homostars themselves told you to fuck off with your collab begging, 1 of them has actively said even before debut that he will NEVER collab with hololive

>>24682374
>t.reddit

I hope the StarsEN boys never collab with the girls for their own sake and safety. They need their own audience.

>>24682653
i don't care what the holostars think. i want them to collab with hololive purely because it would make unicucks seethe. how the stars feel about it is irrelevent.

>>24682653
Dude, he's baiting. >>24682740
This is just some retard who probably doesn't even watch the girls either, leave it be.

>>24682374

>>24682633
I have a question, isn't most woman fond of BL?

>>24682962
yep, same with guys liking yurishit, women like things with more of the the stuff they enjoy and BL has pretty guys and only pretty guys, but the Stars are more like hanging out with a friend or watching a regular streamer since they mostly just solo stream, collabs in general aren't frequent among the Stars not counting Roberu whose whole gimmick is people come to his bar

>>24682138
>all the other girls blew up
>she was kind of isolated from everyone else, almost never having any collabs
honorary homostar?

>>24664626
I am a fan of his work, i dont understand why anyone has a problem with it.

>>24681781
>>24682590
Oga is bad example desu, he do vtubing for shits and giggle

>>24682374
BASATISSIMO

>>24683210
Pretty much all the boys are like that.
Vtubing is a side gig they do for fun and they like being Holostars enough that they keep doing it.
StarsEN considering how much shit they'll have to deal with will need to treat vtubing as more of a hobby that they enjoy.

>>24664539
No matter how many collabs happen, people just don’t give a shit about the Stars. Look at happened with UPROAR, a new gen a full year after Stars going without one

>>24683493
uproar actually does much much better than their senpais

>>24683598
That's because their senpais already laid down all the groundwork for them.
Their all at 50K+ after a month which is more then everyone in Stars had in their first year, the fanbase is built, they'll be fine.

>>24683203
He's a Nijisanji fan and a Hololive anti. He keeps going "but why don't Holostars and Hololive collab more????, idol culture is kinda bad, right guys? Not shitting on Hololive btw ;)"

>>24683785
Not sure if he's an anti, but he seems a little weird to me. Does anti spend so much effort to clip and translate Stars content?

>>24684050
He used to clip Coco, and seems to dislike Hololive now that she's gone. I think he likes Holostars, but mostly out of a "I can save them and am the only one who can do so" feeling

>>24684050
Not the anon you answered to, but if you read his community thing like i just did you can see what he anti-gachikoi and pretty full of himself.

>>24684148
sheesh...Coco leaving really did something to people, huh?
she didn't even get fired, she just left because chink drama was autistic which is understandable

>>24684148
>>24684171
Thanks for explanation appreciate it.

But this guy produced a lot Stars clip, he definitely helped in promoting Stars. Do you Starfans prefer him to exist or disappear?

>>24684171 (me)
I write like i had a stroke, but hopefully i am understood.

>>24684281
I am both a holofan and a starsfan and i don't think i would wish for him to disappear even though i really dislike his biases he seems to not translate stuff wrong, certainly with an agenda at times though.

>>24684281
Stars having clippers is good for them so even if this guy doesn't like "muh idol culture" but genuinely likes the boys it's probably fine.

>>24684398
at least his translation is accurate, he isn't as bad otakmori and the like

>>24684281
I have mixed feelings about his clips. He sometimes does nice ones when it's Holostars-only collabs like the Raft ones, but otherwise focuses on male-female interactions in what I think is an attempt to bring shippers in. This might look nice on paper, but having shippers in your chat just makes collabs awkward and harder to do. I also fear that he might make Hololive fans dislike Holostars because of that
I'd have liked for another Holostars clipper to have exposure from the algorithm, there are a bunch of them who barely get 1K views on their clips

>>24683730
Before Uproar debut, Aruran said he predicted Uproar will have at least 50k subs upon debut, preferably 100k. Aruran said he hoped Uproar gets higher debut subs because these figures reflect what Stars have built over the years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYT2DDRIeRw

After Uproar debuted, I remember Aruran's words from time to time, it stings me.

>>24684542
I think he is very well aware of that judging by how he writes about himself like he is some virtuous being.

>miyabi: never collabs outside
>temma: never collabs outside
>izuru: every blue moon will play with meika or odanobu
>shien: rarely collabs and streams
>oga: rarely collabs
The only ones putting in the effort of reaching outside are rob, astel, rikka and atlantis. Thankfully, fuma and rio, from uproar, are doing their part too.

Fire Shien for being lazy
Fire Temma for being retarded
Fire Rikka for being boring
Move Izuru, Uyu, and Rio to Hololive

>>24684674
The boys are all very talented and great to watch but their marketed to the wrong audience. Cover doesn't seem to get that shilling Stars to the Hologirl audience will get them no where.
I'm happy Stars has gotten to the point where the new gens don't have to suffer but they've always had mild successes compared to Hologirls. I hope the new boys will be fine, I really like them, also a lot of them are streaming right now, currently on Rio's minecraft stream.

>>24674704
>>24675273
I suspect Mori was somehow involved in that decision.

>>24684931
>miyabi: never collabs outside
>temma: never collabs outside
>izuru: every blue moon will play with meika or odanobu

While I prefer Izuru to stay he way he is, I'm also curious why some Stars so adamant about not expanding their network.

>>24685070
>Fire Shien
You mean the guy with one of the biggest number of female fans?

>Fire Temma
Temma has his own set of the fanbase because he's a schizo when he gets to play pvp games

>Fire Rikka
Firing the guy whose got the most amazing voice and one that's the go to for music collabs, yeah, genius move

>Move Izuru, Uyu, and Rio to Hololive
Izuru doesn't do well around girls, Uyu is boomer and if he wanted to be in Hololive he would have done that, Rio likes being in Stars because he likes his senpais, same with the rest of Uproar

>>24682962
>isn't most woman fond of BL?
I think some do some don't
The female audiences usually have 3 types right?
>Fujoshi
Like BL
>Yumejo
Like to ships themselves with the boys
>Just enjoying the streams

>>24685114
>Cover doesn't seem to get that shilling Stars to the Hologirl audience will get them no where.
Cover has a lot of people on board, including female staffs, and has been operating for few years, I'm seriously wondering if Cover don't understand shilling Stars to Hologirl audience is bad idea. Is that even logical or possible?

>>24671520
No shit. Nobody expects Luna to and Ollie to have a collab with just them, but anyone who is doing a 2 person collab should get along well enough to be at least casual friends. Stop acting like I said every member should be forced to be besties with every other member in case they collab.

>>24685114
Yea, Rio's minecraft stream is always laggy
A big company like Cover let their precious talent to use broken mic or potato PC, always make me seethe to no end

>>24685386
it feels more like Cover just doesn't understand that Holostars will never work with the audience for the girls but their so used to just popping out new girls and getting immediately good results that they don't realize their audience doesn't watch male vtubers and female staff probably aren't the ones managing the boys

>>24685315
>Rikka got the most amazing voice
I don't care, it's Izuru :(

>>24685549
I'm hoping Rio will eventually get more money since the Uproar boys got some merch released so he can at least get a new PC.

>>24685262
Miyabi and Temma have collabed a few times with Kuku, Izumi and Naruse. They just prefer to do things at their own pace in the brand

>>24682653
>1 of them has actively said even before debut that he will NEVER collab with hololive
Is the source your ass?

>>24685701
It is pure madness to me, what is Cover thinking. Talent using potato PC leads to poor stream quality, then leads to lower views and income. Cover should at least lend money to the talents for fuck sake.

>>24685649
Rikka, Izuru and Astel are the best singers in Stars but Rikka is the default for collabs since he's the safest due to how mild his personality is most of the time and he can actually talk to people, Astel is also good for collabs but Izuru is a loner.

>>24685849
I'm pretty sure the model, character design and stuff cost lot of money, then why so stingy on the equipments for talents??

>>24684050
His reddit posts and that one youtube community post (now deleted) where he asked if it was okay to clip Laplus saying that she won't collab with males pretty much revealed that he has an agenda whenever he puts out a clip of the stars mentioning the girls or his nth Roberu harem clip. A shame because he's one of the few translators that doesn't assault your eyes with incomprehensible esl translations, and it's sad how there are many fun moments between the boys that will never be translated because he's too focused on looking for any mention of the girls from them, even if it's in passing. He claims that his clips have helped people find and support the boys but all they do is make newfags think that all Roberu has for himself is that he will fuck your oshi.

>>24686021
Is he the reason everyone shitposts Roberu as Mr-Steal-Your-Girl?

>>24686021
Roberu has less of a harem and more of...a bunch of women who like to harass him mentally whenever he collabs with them.
Roberu is an absolutely masterclass at preventing yab between himself and girls since he knows it'll end badly for him. Mea and him have a nice running gag going because of this.

>>24686021
He seems to be bullied out of the Holo sub nowadays and mostly frequent the Niji sub. I swear he is one crazy ass mtfkr with his obsession with being validated

>>24685649
Don't use my oshi to shit on the other boys anonchama.

>>24686021
Sounds fishy as fuck. I'm imagining a bad guy who got exposed in the past, and trying to play nicer now

The only thing I learned from all this is that the StarsEN boys are walking right into hell and I wish them the best of luck.

>>24686419
Take a while looking for this.
https://imgur.com/a/iIaUOa3

>>24686429
On an interesting note, StarsEN walking right into hell, just like their senpai. Isn't that the most befitting scenario for EN boys?

>>24686518
>"My oshi is Watame"
>Never clips or talk about her
What did he mean by this?

>>24683203
maybe because he's a blatant nijinigger shill who claims Watame is his Oshi (with zero Watame clips)

>>24686528
Yeah, it's pretty much tradition at this point if your going to be in Stars you've got to have balls of steel plus be prepared for pain emotionally and mentally. It's just how Stars works now.

>>24667216
>>24668035
> #45 Blatant Lying
> Vox is "higher" than Gura (>>24420454)
> Vox got a bigger billboard (>>24424746)
> Mika is the Queen of ID (>>24426268)
> SEA belongs to Mysta (>>24423909)

Nijiniggers are a plague on this board.

>>24671491
you are a newfag who has absolutely zero idea about what the holostars were going through back when they debuted, there's a REALLY good reason the girls stayed the hell away from them, even back in the days where they collabed with OTHER company males.
It was never about the girls' audiences, the boys just had many, MANY haters (ala love live).

I'd like to see more Stars x Live collabs because I think they're fun.

>>24686826
qrd?

>>24686826
Their first year was absolutely horrendous and it's amazing they survived it all and managed to get where they are now.
Miyabi suffered the most though but at least what happened to the boys won't happened again with the new boys thanks to everything they worked for.

I like how this thread became about collab begging and StarsEN when all Sora said was it's rude not to know who your coworkers are.

>>24664188
Ew, good thing i dont watch her

>>24679825
#17 Fortune telling a.k.a "J-just wait, Cover will fuck up something someday" (>>14561348 >>14752560 >>14752914 >>21529067 >>22935912 >>23288417)

>>24686518
Soooooooooooooo strange. Can't tell if he genuinely don't understand the idol/Holo scene, or secretly trying to sabotage Holo.

Ah I get it. He probably likes Stars but hates idol culture a lot, trying to throw shade at Idol culture at every opportunity. Some of his clips stressed about how Holos “alienated” Stars. He’s trying to influence/strongarm Stars to have collab with Holos using the clip media. Also trying to normalize cross-gender collabs in Holopro.

In his mind, holopro cross-gender collab is the best thing for Stars. But in reality it’s the reverse, his words or clips could actually give Stars some trouble.

>>24680176
>But many said
it was the NijiEN livers mate, and they know fuckall about Cover's internals, they were just shitposting.

>>24682318
I think uproar was probably one last ditch attempt to see if ANYONE from the hololive side was interested in Stars, since that was their biggest event in history, and had the most eyes across the board.
Their failure would 100% convince anyone inside Cover that their marketing fucked up.

>>24686909
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv74pMZTLPk

Antis and lack of audience pretty much.
They were 2views for the majority of their early careers so their antis sometimes outnumbered their fans.

>>24684674
>We've implemented everything we learnt from our experience
>We've come to understand having MVs is a good thing
>We take the good from our trial and error
That explains a ton about management

>>24687131
As long as he doesn't go over the line, nothing will change, he will keep begging and the audience will continue ignoring them.
If he tried to do more (in bad faith), there's a good chance he will get striked.

>>24687181
that kinda makes sense considering how much more "idol-like" the designs for the new boys are and how hard they shilled the boys, even gave them their own prequel manga that Gamma drew but Cover being Cover STILL doesn't get the Stars have a completely different audience and the Hologirl audience will never be interested in male vtubers

>>24687356
All I can hope is that this level of catastrophic marketing failure will make them reevaluate their thinking.

>>24686826
I was referring to their current state (but I didn't specify that, my bad) as that excuse doesn't work these days, anon. I know the shit they went through back in the early days just for existing, and I've been probably watching the stars for a longer time than you and this entire board. No need to get defensive.

>>24687181
I think cover has seen more than enough, they are just adding uproar to increase the numbers of Stars and liven things up. Before uproar, they don't even have enough numbers to hold a mario kart tournament.

>>24687390
the StarsEN boys are probably going to need completely different management and hopefully won't get retarded debut timing like Uproar did at the very least, i don't want anymore boys to suffer because Cover can't get their shit together

>>24687557
>StarsEN boys are probably going to need completely different management
The question is, can they share Stars' management if they live in overseas?

>>24687636
not sure...Shinove is the JPStars manager and he's the only one the fandoms knows of so chances are EN will have their own manager, here's hoping they at least get access to their JP senpais

>>24687529
Maybe. Let's wait and see when the Stars all manage to have one big collab together now with more people.

>>24687752
>here's hoping they at least get access to their JP senpais
That goes without saying, but they seriously better make sure every single member is fluid in jp.

>>24686021
>Laplus saying that she won't collab with males
When did she say this? I only watch her sporadically and I can't remember ever hearing anything related to collabing with males

>>24688244
>better make sure every single member is fluid in jp.
kek, i can only imagine the thinly veiled seethe from redditors

>>24688244
English fans of Stars + fluid in jp + talented + no yab

in my dreams

>>24688341
I think she actually revealed that she was a gachikoi

>>24688373
Redditors will seethe either way if the boys don't collab with the girls and whine about Stars' popularity if they don't get massive numbers immediately but never actually bother to watch them. Beggars will be beggars.

>>24688341
>>24688405
Ironic since her oshi is Towa

>>24688244
>That goes without saying, but they seriously better make sure every single member is fluid in jp.
Stars and StarsEN conversing in JP fluently.

DOES THAT EVEN SOUND REAL TO YOU?

>>24688479
I don't think Towa is her kami-oshi though

>>24688244
>>24688381
>fluid
ESLchamas …

>>24688244
Probably not guaranteed since Gura can't speak jp but she got in.
Stars will probably find a talented normie musician since music is one of Stars' strong points.

>>24688533
You don't understand. They want StarsEN to turn into Japanese fluid.

StarsEN will get:
1-3 collabs a year from Mori and Bae
Ignored by everyone else
ID collabs aplenty

There will be much seething when popular EN holos like Gura don't even acknowledge they exist

>>24688691
Sounds delicious

>>24688724
>StarsEN will get ID collabs aplenty
I sense incoming trouble. How frequent is a plenty? Twice per month?

>>24688801
Slightly more frequent than ID/StarsJP collabs I suppose.

>>24688724
>There will be much seething when popular EN holos like Gura don't even acknowledge they exist
But first you need to make Gura say she don't acknowledge StarsEN. Gura is too smart to do such stupid thing. She isn't drama machine Kiara.

>>24688724
I'd rather the StarsEN boys don't collab with anyone at all for at least 2-3 months just so they can find their own footing and not need any of the girls as a crutch.
People will seethe either way about them being idols or not collabing with the girls because "muh Nijisanji does it!" so might as well built their own fanbases.

>>24685849
Well, Suzaku graduated because his pc broke and cover did nothing

>>24688947
One thing though, ID/StarsJP don't collab much these days.

>>24689009
>I'd rather the StarsEN boys don't collab with anyone at all for at least 2-3 months
WHY SO HARDCORE?

>>24688566
Gura got a pass because she was already somewhat established vtuber in EN sphere and had that popular bulgy wolgy rap thing going. If you have a song/rap that has over 10 million views and at least few months of internet activity then you're already 90% there. The remaining 10% are just just luck, how well your voice fits one of produced avatars and extra shit like being able to speak in Japanese
>>24688724
Don't know how but I hope somehow at least 1 of StarsEN manages to reach Vox level popularity and then sticks it to those arrogant bitches who treat boys like garbage

>>24689053
Boys are busy and so are the girls.
They do pop into the streams every now and then Ollie was just in Rio's stream chat a while ago and iofi visited Gamma.

I want to become a part of Holostars EN for the sole purpose of breathing the same 2D air as anyone that isnt Ollie and Mori
It's too bad I'm talentless and don't have a fujobait voice either, and I don't know Ina so no nepotism for me

>>24689093
Your right. Maybe 3 months is too harsh and they would need to at least talk to the girls for friendliness sake. 2 months then.

>>24689188
Make a game then hire a holo to voice a character worked for Oga

>>24689104
>1 of StarsEN manages to reach Vox level popularity
Not very likely since being in Stars means keeping yab to a minimum unless your doing something very cursed like Oga's cursed fanservice streams.
Also fujobaiting isn't a big thing in Stars, if one of the boys gets popular it'll probably be something like Roberu being a living meme levels.

>>24667796
I did not watch their debuts but I watched a few streams of Rio and every once in a while I tend to check in on Astel playing Apex, Aruran playing Minecraft or Omori, and some collabs.

>>24689237
Talentless implies that I don't have the skills to just make a game either, it sucks having a passion for wanting to do streams but being held back because I know I'm boring and don't have any experience :/

>>24689009
If EN boys are good, they should spend more time staying in their own circle, to strengthen their style and fanbase. If they are struggling to shine, collab sooner with StarsJP might ease things for them.

>>24674066
>they'll get 100k+ viewers easily if Cover paired Holostars with top members like Pekora/Miko/Marine
If my Shrine Maiden is forced to collab with stars I will kyoani Cover

>>24688488
>DOES THAT EVEN SOUND REAL TO YOU?
Nope, but to be fair starsEN not being a trainwreck also doesn't sound real.

>>24689378
>keeping yab to a minimum
The Animare rape dungeon... but yeah, generally I guess you are right.

>>24689487
>Shrine Maiden
You mean Miko? She's the one that turned Oga into a Holostars

>>24689466
Worst case scenario is they'll need to collab with their JP senpais if they can't handle the pressure of building up their fanbase.
But Cover seems to be filtering people pretty hard if the auditions taking months upon announcement is anything to go by, hopefully they'll get some tough boys with talent.

>>24689498
Roberu gets harassed by every woman in the vtubing sphere, anon. He's just that type of guy.

>>24689496
>but to be fair starsEN not being a trainwreck also doesn't sound real.
My thoughts too. What do you think has the highest chance to go wrong for StarsEN?

>>24689584
Full story? Did Miko or Oga talk about it?

>>24689773
>management screwing them over
>people's unrealistic expectations of them destroying "idol culture"
>redditfags use them to get preachy and beggars annoying them to collab with the girls just after debuting
>parasocial weirdos and fujos bother them expecting Luxiem 2.0
>shitty debut timing
>shit advertising because Cover doesn't understand Holokeks won't support the boys and just use them to virtue signal
>they get constantly compared to NijiEN and get bothered by Nijifags for no reason

Honestly...everything.

>>24689773
Worst case scenario is a groomer getting in, and either going after the girls or sending dick pics to fans or something, but that's unlikely because I'm sure they're aware of the risk and are specifically filtering that kind of person.
Most likely? 2view hell ignored by management and everyone else.

>>24688244
Finding an entire gen of N1 males would be extremely hard but I hope that at least one or two of them are N3. Listening to them talk in retarded Japanese/English in collabs is fucking grating.

>>24689919
One of the first things they have to do is prove to Hololive fans that they're not a threat to the status quo. If they do that, they'll avoid a lot of potential problems from both the Hololive fanbase and anti-idolfags that just want to tear down Hololive for the sake of tearing it down.

>>24689919
>Honestly...everything.
sounds like holostars to me

>>24690218
The issue is, I'm sure they want actual Stars fans, people that understand and like the branch, at least tolerate idol culture, etc. Meeting that criteria but not knowing a lick of Japanese seems very hard too. I rather them release a generation of 3 dudes than bring in someone clueless for the sake of having 5.

>>24690212
>Most likely? 2view hell ignored by management and everyone else.
this is the most likely but even Uproar gets decent numbers so they'll probably be fine just not mindblowing

>>24690318
the boys will be walking on eggshells even compared to their JP senpais since spergs and anti-idolfags that are majority EOP can understand them and use anything they say against them

>>24689804
Little hint for you
https://store.steampowered.com/app/619510/100_Orange_Juice__Kiriko__NoName_Pack/

>>24690456
The anti-idolfags are going to be even more of a headache to HomoEN than the unicorns since the former group is going to keep on pushing shit to the point that they're going to be indistinguishable from actual antis and trolls.

>>24690409
Being in Holostars is the equivalent to being dropped into the wilderness naked, alone with nothing but a toothpick as a weapon.
You've got to be a special kind of crazy to survive and want to keep going.

>>24690626
it really does feel like StarsEN boys are walking right into hell instead of expecting to be treated as normal vtubers

>>24690821
That's just all Holostars, Fuma would have bigger number if he joined Niji or Neoporte

>>24689104
>Vox Level popularity
You really, REALLY don’t want that, with that level of fame comes a bunch of fucking problems. They don’t need to be a massive success, I’d be more than happy if they get a 1-5k ccv average, it’s a small enough level where you don’t have schizo’s watching your every move, while still having plenty of people appreciating your work.

>>24690882
Fuma is already gaining more numbers then his other gen mates and he's really cute and talented.
But he likes Holostars since he's a fan of Astel and wanted to be here just for the fact he gets a chance to collab with them. Same with the other boys, they just really like their senpais.

>>24691043
Is the rrat about his PL true? If so then no vtuber company would decline his application.

>>24691032
i hope the StarsEN boys get a decent following but nothing insane enough that the fanbase turns into schizo central like NijiEN's since i like the current comfy Starsfandom

>>24691205
Yes it is, astel bussy must be one hell of a drug

>>24691205
Fuma is here just to live out his fanboy dreams and it's pretty respectable honestly.
StarsJP has some crazy talented fans, Yuki Ono went to Roberu's bar just because he loves Roberu

>>24690318
Ideally, they’d be apathetic to Hololive (kinda like how Izuru is), being friendly if they drop by in chat of course, but otherwise no mention of them normally, ignoring marshmallows or superchats that collab beg or actually shut them down. And most importantly, like their JP senpai, to only collab with the girls if the girls themselves initiate it. That should take care of every problem when it comes to the Hololive side, even if the girls get collab beggars in chat, they’re big enough that they’ll just get drowned out in the noise.

>>24691205
>Is the rrat about his PL true?
what was it?

>>24688341
She said it multiple times. The most known one is she won't collab with males, unless it's Hikakin. For the clip in question, Oboretai wanted to tl this
https://youtu.be/nPfRiui4J18
This was when someone asked her to collab with new star gen.

>>24691528
He's once one of the biggest male Vtuber in the world (Japan).

>>24666078
Based Aqua. Bully Rushia out of the company and show Indog where they belong

>>24691712
if that's true then, holy shit, Fuma must really, really love Astel then...no wonder Astel has such rich simps

All I got from this thread is that StarsEN is fighting an uphill battle. Good luck boys

>>24691443
That's one of my fears that beggars will use the supas to goad the boys into "idol culture bad" but they'll probably have competent mods since it is Cover.

>>24692322
>they'll probably have competent mods since it is Cover.
Reddit dragon....

>>24692426
Tawain incident was something else and now chinkland is off limits so at least the boys won't have to deal with all that.

>>24686518
He never said anything wrong here, THOUGH