/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

mawee cawweopee

>>24666926
Ame is so cute for that, and i hate ame

Everyone's sleepy voices made me feel things.

>>24666926
thats 100% a man and hes not even trying
seriously how can people watch this TTS cringe

>>24667281
The fags are fine with it as long as the model is hot and they can fap to it apparently.

>>24666926
i will never watch ame

>>24666926
Where's the tier that says "didn't do anything", where most of the other Hololive girls would slot into? Why do these discord raiders always have to make some massive cope about how IT DOESN'T COUNT when other girls do the (cherrypicked and exaggerated) mistakes that Mori allegedly does? Why do they always try to do some armchair psychoanalysis and make huge reaching conclusions about her character? It's all so tiresome.

>>24666926
Lol this same as like copying and pasting Happy Birthday to people on Facebook.

>>24668179
Which of Ina's other genmates put more effort into Vshojo's birthdays than MY FRIENDS birthdays?

>it's your """birthday"""
>have to sit and do call-ins with 30 people on air while you tardsit your chat
>have to pretend you want to be there instead of doing anything else for your birthday
I will never understand why they expect me to believe this.

>>24668021
You Will Never Be A Real Vtuber Fan

celebrating birthdays WITH MY FRIENDS

>>24668299
You might not believe it, but tons of other people do and it sells merch. That’s why they do this fake birthday crap.

>>24668299
Not all of them hate Hololive like Mori does.

>>24668179
>same gen: closest
>same branch: still close
>other branch: stranger by default
All other girls from same branch called unless you're putting Mori into stranger category you have no excuse for that shit

She did whaaat, Sister ?!
What a bitch!

>>24668021
Would you watch her, on a boat?

>>24668390
>merch
In the end, it all comes down to money. In the end, there's no escaping their wicked wiles, is there?

>>24668541
only if she makes a quick trick brick stack

>>24666926
Mori: Knows she can't make it, sends a short and sweet message
Mumei: MEMEMEs harder than Kiara could ever manage
Watame: sends a 5 minute video of her babbling and scribbling a doodle down
Kronii: Took so long to call in that everyone assumed she must have some kino trick up her sleeve, actually just overlsept

>>24666926
Was it an actual ass voicemail or is it a voice message being framed as one?

>>24668857
Idk, I muted the stream when ina announced she'd be putting a message from Mori.

>>24669042
Based

>>24668722
>Kronii

Trust me I've seen enough Kronii to know what her JWU voice sounds like and she didn't sound like she woke up at all; she's supposedly is working on some special project in the background so it's very well possible that she just told Ina that she might call in towards the end.

It's "GURA HATES COCO" and the subsequent BTFO all over again.

>>24666926
Funny how Cuckbeats were ready to make 100 anti-Kiara/Reine threads when they were among the later ones to call in. They took a big L tonight.

>>24668857
It's literally just a recorded audio file. She couldn't even be asked to make a video. Even Kiara and Reine called from maldives to wish Ina a happy birthday live. Finding out that she showed up for Zentreya just adds more salt to the wound of how little effort she gave.

I honestly can't think of any way she could put in less effort. Maybe hire a Mori sound-alike to give her a birthday message or a Build-Your-Own-Message Mori soundboard.

>>24666926
Whori Calliopenis should be deported to VShoujou. She clearly would rather be there than in Hololive.

>>24669134
I don't remember a faster BTFO on stream like that

>>24669475
Lmao

>>24669523
>OMG Kronii is probably in the room, this is gonna be epic, they're gonna have SO much sex! hehe "cheesecake"
>Kronii calls at the very end, they have a normal sort of awkward conversation
>h-heh, that was kino, antis BTFO!

>>24666926
If you think this is bad let me tell you the story of Miko's 2nd Anniversary comeback show and what happened with Ayame...

That story is the stuff of legends to this day.

>>24669862
Kek

>>24668541
Would like to, suck my chode?

>>24669949
I would not, could not, take your load.

>>24666926
i should be on top of the tierlist cause i gave her the best dick she had in years i mean she was drooling all over my massive cock

>>24669899
I actually don't know about that one, what did Ayame do?

>>24669316
I am DD who really wants to like everyone, but I really don't get Calli on this. Shouldn't recording a short video with Live2D model and OBS be trivial when you are an experienced vtuber?

Where was Pikamee?

>>24668722
lol

>>24669316
I was like "shut the fuck up, mori is busy" until I saw she sent a video message to fucking zentreya

>>24670292
Yes. The answer is mostly likely one of four, pick your poison:
>She actively wanted to make a point in treating them differently
>She initially wanted to make a call but couldn't and settled for something else last minute
>She initially wanted to make a call but decided not to and settled for something else last minute
>She actually just did it to make people here seethe because that makes child brain rock hard for some reason, as age and success have done nothing to aid her maturity.

>>24670224
Every single jp called in on miko while on her death bed except for ayame

Nice thread faggots. Mori is busy and still send a mesaage. Ina didn't mind and even complimented mori on her hard work

>>24670337
Fighting a boss in Ark

>>24670224
Literally every single Holo left a recorded message for Miko, including the newly debuted Gen 5 who haven't even met her yet. Every single Holo except for Ayame.....

>>24670483
>does shit like this
>everyone still likes her
How does she do it? Do all the JPs actually hate Hololive and don't care about Ayame giving no fucks about it? Is she just really nice IRL when not completely ghosting everyone? Or does she just give some mean fucking cunnilingus?

>>24670559
Not too busy to send a video message to some vshojo tranny a few hours before though. But a voice file is all Ina deserves apparently

>>24670559
I hope that hard work is losing weight or her concert is going to be a disaster.

>>24670750
Did she say she was going on a diet or something?

>>24670479
>The thought of even making a video never crossed her mind and she decided to record something on a whim.

>>24670682
I think that probably was recorded while ago. Though she should have done it for Ina as well.

>>24670779
That would be really weird considering she's not new to this.
But it's fucking impossible when she recorded separate video for a Vshojo whose birthday is the same fucking day.

>>24670846
She could honest to god have forgotten about Ina's birthday and not have enough time to do anything noteworthy for her.

>>24670915
That excuse just makes it worse, since she can remember Zen and not her genmate’s birthday.

>>24670471
>>24670479
>>24670779
I'd understand if she sent videos for both, but it seems like Calli is either dumb or making a point (or both)

>>24671004
Yeah, but it's not unlikely that is what happened.

>>24670479
>Zen did a video thing, so Calli sent a video
>Holos do call ins, so she sent a recording
I don't think it's that complicated.

>>24671130
>Calli
Hi cuckbeat.

>>24671130
I've seen several Holo birthday totsu. Sending in video is the norm for those who cannot make it.

>>24671130
If you actually watch Holos you'd know they exclusively send each other videos when they can't call in.
She is the first, at least in EN and ID, to send an audio recording.
Not sure about JP though.
But Mori doesn't actually watch Hololive so your logic might actually hold up for her.

>>24670479
What she was doing at the time wasn't exactly at the same time so, given her god tier time management capabilities, she probably thought she'd be able to call.
Then she realized she'd wouldn't so she recorded a message before she had to prep for her stuff.
Aside from rrats, it's the only reason I can think as to why she wouldn't just record 2 videos back to back.
Captcha:AAAA4

bros you dont get it it's because she's so HARD WORKING that she's forced to phone in her job every single day. she's really breaking her back working so hard, just never when she's actually on camera and never in any way that's visible to anyone.

>>24668021
Based!

>>24668454
this is JP company so all kouhais supposed to pay respect

>>24669150
That's an everyday occurrence for cuckbeats

>>24669150
>>24672674
You guys took that t.deadbeat meme but too serious

>>24672818
t. deadbeat

At least Mori sent something to Ina. Unlike Ame.

One's on work while the other two was in vacation. What the fuck are you all bitching around here?

>>24672909
You know who else was working? Everyone else who has called in. Keeping up appearances is part of their job at Hololive, be it because the other party asked you to or you yourself want it to happen, doesn't matter.

>>24668353
Kek, this will never not be funny

>>24670471
God what a fucking bitch

>>24666926
Are you kidding me? She went to actually congratluate Zentreya but not Ina?

>>24666926
>1 minute voicemail to Ina
She is BUSY, she is constantly overworking herself, Ina said it herself so it must be true!
>Meanwhile on the same day
SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP!!!! SHE IS BUSY OMG! Y-you're just haterz and don't realize hse doesnt' have time to make a video for everyone! Ina said she respects Cali so its ok!
>Her saying she listened to a certain song "50 times" just like she told Ina today
Even though no one got it, It was obviously a joke! Ur just jealous of her success!

>>24673855
You are seeing deadbeats where they aren't. They hardly exist in on this board and are mostly located in /morig/.

I'm so confused. Why take time to record video for Zen but not Ina? I could maybe understand she didn't want to do the same thing for 2 different streams, so then just chagen costumes and go with ikemen voiced dad jokes or something?

>>24666926
>Her saying she listened to a certain song "50 times" just like she told Ina today
>google kiara king
>it's a rick roll
no way dude this shit is so funny

>>24675406
Because one is friend and the other is "friend"

>>24666926
Wait so this is my first time seeing the actual video with mori talking about kiara's king. What happened after this, did Kiara call her out on it?

>>24666926
>IDs that have never spoken to Ina wake up with the worst bed voice ever, literally suffering, with their soul dragging on the floor just to wish her a happy birthday, even Kobo, who is 11 years old
>JPs who suck at english wake up early (not a hard thing for them) and make an effort to wish her a happy birthday
>Mori is like "yo dawg, happy bday luv u" in the lowest video ever after gushing for a Vshojotranny
And people still asks why I always forget about her, at least the english streams with HoloX are cool I guess, but her interactions with EN are worse than "forced by corporation" tier

>>24669899
I have never forgiven Ayame

>>24669899
Isn't Ayame permanently sick too or something? Kinda unreasonable to expect her to ruin her own health.

>>24676885
>And people still asks why I always forget about her
I would say that is better than constantly seethe about her.

>>24677064
>ruin her own health.
by sending a 30 second clip?
if anything she should have felt empathy for someone going through health issues too

>>24668481

>>24676634
No calling out, it just broke TakaMori.

>>24677064
she's so sick it took her months to move but she was miraculously better in time for an anniversary stream

>>24677141
kek

>>24670915
Impossible, Ina had to organize a 30 person marathon of a totsu, there's no way Mori didn't know in advance.

>>24677477
being signed to an actual music company inflated her head so she "forgot"

>>24677064
Being a whore is considered a sickness now?

>>24668722
>can't make it into her literal genmate BD
>can setup everything to pre-record a video message for a literal tranny vshoujo on twitch

>>24669899
we are talking about Mori, deadcuck
stop deflecting into other holos and kys

>>24677141
where's the samefagging?

>>24666926
>Made a terrarium
Anyone else thinks it's very cute when a girl has an unique hobby like Ame?

>>24666926
She spared us her presence, if you think this is bad then fuck you.

>>24666926
Fuck Ina
t. Deadbeat (real)

>>24667622
Congrats, you figured it all out, the people only care about hot models, that's why All the underrated girls and boys of the VTuber world are underrated, because they lack a hot model

>>24666926
>no risu
>no lofi
EN speakers
>no twappers
Wants to be good at eigo.

But sure, lets focus on Mori.

>>24681768
Is....is this what cuckbeats are going for to deflect? You can't think of anything better?

>>24670224
Miko had taken 2 (maybe 3 months off, I forget the details but it was hospital related).
Then had a big comeback 3D live.
Every Holo called in apart from Ayame.
Who didn't realise not streaming for a few months was a big deal.

Why do you retards think terrariums are some massive task? Ame orders the parts and just places them. Same as her Elden Ring one.

>>24681898
Well, she clearly does not. What are you getting at? Mori doesn't know better?

>>24681981
She builds almost everything in the terrarium herself. Obviously not the fish tank, but everything else. And that one figure of the jar warrior. She literally poured concrete to make that tako.

>>24682250
DYRBI?

When Myth debuted they were all kinda awkward in big group collabs so I thought they'll grow on each other but it's clear there's no lost love between them. They can be professional/kino in 1 on 1 collabs but pretending they're close is just coping at this point. It would be interesting to know if something happened behind the scenes or they simply don't vibe well with each other (especially Mori in big collabs).
Also, Mori may be legit autistic but I can somewhat understand her putting only minimal effort to maintain this "family" image. I used to work in an establishment which had over 1k employees (mostly office workers) and some coworkers always wanted to hang out, build friendships and shit while I gave 0 fucks about them simply because I had almost no overlapping interests so I tried to keep it strictly work related and nothing else. I later found out it resulted in some of them thinking I was arrogant while others thought I was shy. I feel that Mori is in a similar situation so she has to look for collab partners elsewhere which kinda sucks.

>>24681981
It illustrates how much Mori doesn't give a fuck about her job except when she can use it to promote her music.

>>24682323
Considering she went over the process in a members post, yeah. The tori gate was more of a pain than the tako apparently.

>>24682323
I can't even imagine how fucking miserable a life you must live if you can't fathom that people can have creative hobbies they enjoy putting time and effort into as a form of relaxation and entertainment. You DO know there's more to life than the internet and video games, right?

>>24672633
And all of them from en id and jp called except Lui.

Just graduate already, she already got her roomate exposure and dont want to be part of the company culture nor giving a fuck to her gen mates

>>24682718
Who happens to be a deadbeat. Coincidence?

>>24666926
Ina fucking sucks lol
Any holos who put effort into their call in just did it because they know she has ties to management.

>>24682372
I had similar things of people hating me because I wouldn't hang out with them after work but I was very open with them as I would be with my fellow Holomems. I mean, the same excuses for my job then wouldn't apply to this job because you make your own hours so every call-in would essentially be on the clock. But even if I wouldn't call in because it messed with my sleep schedule or something, I would call them beforehand in private to let them know. This is all assuming I had the job, because you can't have this job at all if you're too autistic to talk to people. We know she's not that. She's just happens to not like the type of people she shares a company with.

>>24676634
>did Kiara call her out on it?
blunt chicken actually had the tact to not air dirty laundry publicly

>>24683042
She did reply to mori when she said
"you don't believe me do you" with
"I don't, I don't"

>>24668722
Cuckbeat deflection

>>24683427
It causes me physical strain every fucking time I watch that clip.

I never really take anything serious here, but this time I gotta agree with you guys. There's no excuse for what Calli did for Ina compared to Zentreya on the same day. Trying my best to like every holomem, but it keeps getting harder

>>24674059
I say it's a very accurate impersonation of cuckbeats. Mori is just a terrible person. It's the Liberal Texan in her.

>>24668722
>Talking shit about Watame
Most of us aren’t on the Mori hate train but we’ll climb aboard if you force us. Know the line cuckbeat

>>24681720
kek

>>24669134
>>24669523
it actually happened at this very stream >>24656043

>>24681768
You are right DeadCuck chan, even risu or iofi are a better fit for myth than mori
I hope she kindly fucks off to VShojo!

>>24684588
You mean real definicion of liberal or on SJW kind of way? Because if it is latter I disagree.

>>24684991
She won't and you know it.

was pretty cute to see ame's terrarium as the first caller, as well as her both acting nervous while also trying to calm ina's nerves. iname is such an undercheered ship.

i hope ina hugged ame during that offcollab

>>24685159
real definition/left leaning. She isn't an SJW (she actually works hard)

>>24666926
oh nyo

>>24670292
>Calli
kys

>>24685622
>leaning

>>24670292
Like I don't understand, just record both videos at the same time. Is mori intentionally trying to make herself look bad?

>>24689666
Considering her previous actions. Her doing this just to fucking make people on this board mad isn't beyond the realm of possibilities.

>>24670292
It's not your fault anon. Low IQ retards take longer to learn things than other people. Eventually you'll learn how much of a bitch she is and become an anti.

>>24670559
The hard work compliment was passive aggressive, she hates her.

>>24670846
Oh wait it was on the same day?! I thought people were just seething about another day close to it, literally why would she not also send in a video

Can I get a QRD on the "with friends" thing? I don't really pay attention to the EN branch all that much.

>>24693731
Mori was in some drama about her relationship with hololive vs her relationship with some anituber dudes. she was in a group collab with some other ENs and her perspective was called "playing terraria WITH MY FRIENDS" and the "WITH MY FRIENDS" was in massive letters on her thumbnail. that collab also ended up being incredibly awkward.

>>24693946
I take it she emphasized those words to try and prove a point? Not very smart of her.

>>24693731
>>24693946
Also she basically timeloops this.
Puts no effort into the collab side of her job > gets backlash from fans of the vtubers she's collabing with because she keeps ruining collabs > fakes being enthusiastic about collabs in the most awkward and forced way possible for a few weeks > repeat.

>>24670682
>A few hours
Mouse's message was in her angel model which she stopped using about 3 weeks ago. These were definitely organized a while back. This whole "drama" is retarded.

>>24694008
Yep, she constantly reminded everyone that she was playing with her friends throughout the whole collab.

>>24694116
is she paying you to defend her? because you sound like a total fucking retard, you're acting as if she literally couldn't just make a fucking video for her co-worker and friend's birthday but could do so for some fucking whore on another company

>>24694249
Has any vtuber ever paid anyone to defend them on 4chan? Or are you basing this purely on delusions.

>>24666926
I was neutral but now I'm sold on joining the Mori hate train

>>24694154
That's just sad. I'd always thought Mori was the token tomboy of EN but it turns out she's actually just a really awkward chick.

>>24671130
go back

>>24677141
Based

>>24666926
>https://streamable.com/eknk5y
To this day, I don't know how she got away with this, poor chikim.

>>24694341
Somebody didn't watch her meme review with Coco.

>>24693731
basically, the original meme template comes from this stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZiNmfUCEt4
the longer "story" is that after the fallout from the Connor/Cuckbeat drama and menhera meltdown episode Mori had awhile back, she went on a spree of overcompensating in the other direction, spamming collabs, saying how much she loves Hololive and loves her FRIENDS!™ etc., and many people rightly pointed out how weird and arkward that felt, almost forced as if she's only trying to convince her doubters (or even just herself), and since we've been through this whole cycle (Mori doesn't care about Hololive / has a retarded bitch spergout / puts in more effort for non-Holo stuff and people than she does for Holo -> gets called out / realizes oh shit I gotta do something / overcompensates / forces fake enthusiasm for Holo -> things quiet down for a while / cuckbraps are quick to proclaim a reformed Mori 2.0 and that everyone should kneel and apologize -> Mori inevitably drops the ball again sometime later and we're back to square one) enough times already to become wise to the pattern and know it's not gonna get any better, the "FRIENDS!" has become another ironic meme shorthand for Mori fucking up again, especially in the interpersonal sphere (for example, when she seems to care more and show more enthusiasm for non-Holo twitchniggers and ecelebs again (i.e. her actual "friends", or at least the cliques she actually wants to network and ingratiate herself with), than she does for her Hololive "coworkers" again)

>>24694292
its a hyperbole because they're acting extremely retarded just to defend someone that doesn't care about them at all

>>24694116
>organized a while back
Which makes it all the worse that Mori only sent an audio recording to Ina doesn’t it?

>>24694539
Shit, I actually know that stream exists but I've never actually checked it out. Guess I'm in for a wild and cringy ride.

>>24694687
its not wild, just cringy

>>24683427
She did also talk about it with KFP later in a different stream.
I remember she sounded hurt but was trying to deflect majorly so Mori wouldn’t get any backlash. She probably didn’t make a big deal about it for that very reason.

>>24694560
Thanks for that insight. All the JP holos I've watched usually say Mori's cool so I've just taken their word for it but this shit's a real eye opener. Yagoo must've been real desperate to put together an EN branch to have accepted someone like this in.

>>24694605
But how could she have known it was ina's birthday?
It's ina's fault for letting her know just the day before and didn't give her enough time to prepare

Mori, roll a perception check to see if what you're going to do will result in bad optics.
GUH

>>24694919
They only say she's cool because they can't understand her.

>>24695016
Because after Ame’s first birthday stream, EN learned they had to organize call-in well in advance. Also, they share a google group schedule that they can look at and plan ahead.

>>24695161
I think that was sarcasm, I mean holos birthdays are known right from debut

>>24694605
Maybe the plan was to call in for Ina at the time she made the video for TTS tranny but as it got closer to Ina's birthday she realized she had no time? I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

>>24666926
>SEArystocrat trying to start shit
You and your whore goblina oshi are pathetic and irrelevant

>>24695225
That might be the case, but considering Mori’s history with holilove, you should be able to see why people are so down on her here.

>>24694919
>All the JP holos I've watched usually say Mori's cool
A lot of JPs don't really understand the actual personality of ENs, and just go with the image they present at debut

>>24671915
So hard working she has enough time for friends outside her coworkers.

>>24694919
>All the JP holos I've watched usually say Mori's cool so I've just taken their word for it
Foreign language barrier works both ways - do you ever get annoyed at some EOP casuals seem to have a wrong image of JP Holos, almost wholly made up and (mis)informed of retarded fandom memes and clipwatching? Well, it's not really any better on the other side of the pond either, many JP holos still think Mori is actually the kakkoi rapper she looks as from a superficial glance, and the language barrier prevents them from realizing she's actually just a cringe autismo dork.
>Yagoo must've been real desperate to put together an EN branch to have accepted someone like this in.
to be fair, and I say this as someone who finds her mighty annoying, it's not like Yagoo or whoever made the hiring decisions could have foreseen how this would turn out. HoloEN generally was pretty much a shot in the dark, neither the talents nor the company knew what to expect. We can argue about what the hiring standards at the time might have been, but "on paper" at least it made enough sense (she ticked boxes like: semi-professional artist in a previously underserved niche genre, can also draw and animate a bit, actually lives in japan, etc.) that any eventual personal flaws could be overlooked, and from a pure cold business perspective alone (which is what a company ultimately really only cares for, money) it arguably paid off handsomely for them, what with the novelty factor of "ohmaigawd a big tiddy anime girl RAPPING?!?! That's so wacky and fresh, haha, liked and subscribed!" bringing in a lot of new normie paying customers from the twitch crowds and ironic weebs.

>>24694514
Deadbeats will certainly let her get away with anything and everything, but I'm positive this only elevated the rate at which Kiara grew apart from Mori.

>>24668299
It's not even their real birthday

>>24695825
>which is what a company ultimately really only cares for, money
Guess that worked out for Cover in the end, what with the deal with Universal. Still, my main take-away from this is that Mori still isn't worth my time. And maybe Irys should've taken Mori's place as a member of myth instead of being a solo V-singer. Hell, Mori shoulda just singed on to be a V-singer in the first place.

>>24695161
He was being sarcastic. Not even deadbeats believe that bullshit, they’re just trying to deflect and gaslight.

>>24694560
>when she seems to care more and show more enthusiasm for non-Holo twitchniggers and ecelebs again
With that Charlie collab she in my opinion proven that she can be as a fuck up even on her roommates side.

>>24695964
She's certainly very "over" her, barely mentioning her anymore and preferring hanging out with people who treat her better instead (helps that EN and ID has grown enough in the meantime that the Myth girls not have to be only joined at the hip anymore), and her non-committal response to Mori inviting herself to visit Kiara was pretty much the nail in the coffin. Yeah, sure they can talk normally with each other if they have to, but not anything more, as Kiara has gotten wise to Mori's bullshit and know what to expect from her

>>24694560
I always stop watching a Mori collab the moment I notice she's in her awkward/forced state. Most recent I can think of is the Gura/Kronii tea party collab. Pretty sure that's when Gura got sick of her shit too.

>>24696433
Wonder if the fanartists that still make Takamori stuff are even aware that both have grown apart.

>>24694514
>>24695964
Anon's talk about her getting away with things but how would you have punished for these "crimes"? Fired her?

>>24672881
Watch the stream retard.

>>24696604
Her being punished is up to Cover. I'd rather just have her drop in popularity.

>>24676359
I thought maybe Mori was trying to lie so that Kiara could extend her rickroll joke. But by that time everyone had already seen it so it was in bad taste if she was joking.

>>24696604
Japs got schizo backlash and had to apologize for way more minor things. And jap members have one of these yabs maybe once a year.
Meanwhile Mori could openly start talking shit about everyone in hololive and her fans would drown out everyone by chanting "YAASSS QUEEN SLAAYYY".

>>24677141
Cuckbeats and chadbeats are trannybeats now.

>>24696548
Normies probably have no idea.

Takamori posters /here/ are usually just deadbeats trying to shit up the thread. Who know that they had a falling out and that Kiara was especially hurt by it btw. They’ve known for a while even, they used to shit on Kiara and takamori for a while but once Mori had her little cry on stream about how she fucked up their relationship and wanted to go back to being friends the simps completely changed their tune. Of course, they don’t actually like the bird now they just see her as an accessory to their imaginary gf, and more often than not a tool to deflect from criticism.

>>24696894
Oh you mean like fan backlash? So you wished more deadbeats would not be yesmen?

>>24696530
take your pick for what's the most annoying Mori setting:
>le tired grumpy bitch Mori because she's oh so busy from non-Holo stuff that she can only muster clear "ugh, I'd rather not be here..." negative fun energy and drags a collab down
>le special needs kindergarten teacher voice Mori who talks down to people that are actually less retarded than her
>le shitty nihongo despite living there for years Mori who stumbles through japanese collabs with her stock phrases and naroo ho doesn't understand
>le ya boi muh dawg wigger Mori who forces her unfunny SHREKSHREKADAMSANDLERJOJOSHREK bullshit into collabs that would be 1000% improved by her removal
and so on...

>>24668722
>Kronii: Took so long to call in
you complete fucking clown, the calls are scheduled

>>24668314
Why Do You Type Like This

>>24697033
You don't actually believe that deadbeats are actually some kinda evil antis? Those days when deadbeats didn't like Kiara have been over for sometime now.

>>24697045
Don't waste your time with logic, they're called deflectbraps for a reason. Always shitting on other Holos as a "defense" for the fuckups of their brapwigger oshi, when they're not hiding behind "m-muh unity!" crying for being called out

>>24682372
Just think for a minute about what you said. Your company had over 1k employees. Mori's branch has 11. They all play video games and sing, surely they share some interests. More on topic, Mori and Ina both like to draw and they were drawing before becoming holos so this idea that she doesn't share Ina's interests is completely false. They're both streamers, that's enough to have a friendship, but apparently if you're not a male, tranny, whore or alcoholic you don't matter enough to her.

I feel like despite the very obvious schizoposting, /vt/ is the only place that will heavily criticize Mori for her behavior because it just simply isn't the mindset that's expected out of a job/work environment like this. Fuck up after fuck up proves it time and time again that Mori has just kinda given up on the "idol" mentality and is just winging it at this point. It also makes me think how would the board react if Mori did produce a video/properly called Ina for her birthday but say, Bae or Fauna left a voicemail? I don't support Mori nor am I a filthy cuckbeat but it's always nice to see threads like these where it's called out and not filtered (although again, some schizoposting aside.) I don't expect a graduation/forced retirement soon, especially with the UMG shit going on but its nice to see new yabs every now and then.

>>24682865
I don't particularly like Ina but this is a once a year thing for Gura's sake.

The downfall of hololive starts from the en branch and the downfll of en branch starts from calli, mark my words

>>24697363
>It also makes me think how would the board react if Mori did produce a video/properly called Ina for her birthday but say, Bae or Fauna left a voicemail?
There would barely be any reaction, mostly because they don't have a history of acting like dipshits, both of them are GIANT unityfags that love their job and colleagues, and most importantly; they would never prioritize a fucking dramanigger TTS troon over their genmates.

>>24697363
But at some point comes a question when does it end? She clearly is going to fight with this board until the end but who goes first?

>>24694341
She's not awkard, she knows what she's doing and she CHOOSES to be this way because she thinks vtubing is CRINGE because it feeds into incels' fantasies. Meanwhile being a twitch ethot is not cringe at all because you can shit on men and get praised for it.

>>24697629
Well... /vt/ has near infinite supply of schizofuel and Mori's liver can't survive her drinking habits for much longer. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

>>24697676
That would make sense if she was a man hater but she isn't.
>>24697695
But does it happen during her time on hololive or when she has been home for several years?

>>24697791
Personally hoping for the latter so she doesn't bring shame to the JP girls.

>>24697607
to be fair, even if fauna started torturing and killing orphans on stream i don't think i could get mad at her

>>24697629
If I honestly have to guess? The board. Mori is, despite what people will say, on top of the world right now. Second highest subcount EN Vtuber with a debut album backed by fucking Universal coming out in two months? That's easy living right there, even after her yabs. Mori will keep going and we'll get some more yabs out of it because it's Mori. I can see a Kizuna AI situation where the person behind Mori will move on and let someone else take over and everyone will either watch the New Mori or go to where Mori #1 goes and watch what happens there.

>>24697207
Why is it over? Because of the reason I just have, or because they had a sudden revelation about chicken?

I didn’t say deadbeats are evil, I said they are simps. The biggest simps in hololive even. And they are not above threadshitting, or throwing other chuubas under the bus in an effort to save their beloved oshi.

>Birthdays don’t matter, unless it’s Mori’s. Promoting other chuubas songs isn’t important, unless it’s Mori’s song. Mori never did anything wrong, and if she did this other chuuba did too, and if no other chuuba did it and she was wrong it doesn’t matter anyways, stop posting.

>>24697315
You're assuming Mori actually enjoys playing games. Sure, there are some games she visibly enjoys here and there but many of them, especially collab ones, feel forced as fuck. On the other hand, Ina is not exactly known as a singer/rapper. Heck, even if you have someone who's interests/hobbies match 100%, there's nothing to stop those people from hating each other's guts due to personality, political stance, work ethics or whatever other reason.
I don't think Mori hates anyone in Myth but it's clear she puts minimal effort to play family/friends. This whole concept of people debuting in the same group and liking each other is stupid and has been proven to be almost nonexistent. Look at any boy band or girls group that broke up. Years later some shit always comes out how X hated Y and how Z totally didn't want to be there.

>>24697934
>because they had a sudden revelation about chicken
Yes but that happened last year.
And if all this was true /morig/ would be full of deadbeats shitting on other members but it isn't.

>>24697954
Years from now they'll all talk about how the collectively hated Mori.

>>24694919
Even Milky would have been a better pick. But there were others even better, say Pomu for example. Probably Mori got the job because her retarded grumpy selfish and aloof alcoholic fat personality fit the model and lore the best. It's absolutely retarded to make the models first and attempt to audition talents to fill the roles. Much better would be to take the top talents and then build characters around them. But no, corpos gonna corp.

>>24698153
Do we know with the newer auditions if they see the model they're auditioning for? Or is it something that gets assigned after they've passed?

>>24698128
Yeah and Mori will talk on her RM channel about her "other" job where she had to do shit she didn't enjoy but put up with it because she was working towards something important (music).

>>24682372
It’s probably a combination of the time zone differences, being busy, and a lack of common interest. I mean Mori seems like she hardly makes any time for anything but her work, when is she gonna have the time to even form a relationship with one of the other EN girls that goes beyond work? And most of the other girls are busy too, Ina has a whole other job outside of hololive. Ame and Kiara usually have a bunch of different projects their working on. Gura does Gura things I guess, whatever that entails.

>>24696548
No.
Kobo still thinks Mori is her dad.
It's fun to picture that broken family dynamic though.

>>24690252
I feel like the hard work thing is becoming a meme. I mean who among them doesn’t work hard? I think Mori is the only one who tries to draw attention to it and uses it as an excuse when she makes a mistake or puts out an inferior product.

>>24694514
oh man, don't know how i missed out on that but wtf
why would you even lie here
genuinely feel bad for the chicken

>>24694292
Oh you’re retarded

>>24696548
I know it's Dante in the background but it looks like Fungus Covid from NijiEN is approaching Gura

>>24698358
No need to wait, that already happened on side-b.

>>24698382
>I mean Mori seems like she hardly makes any time for anything but her work
She only makes time for her real friends. Like when she canceled myth's final ttrpg to play ttrpg with Trash Taste.

>>24698352
If you believe the Amber rrat, they have some knowledge. on the other hand I can't imagine Kronii would willingly audition for her titty monster model. Myth was confirmed to have no idea at all.

>>24698662
Even that was sponsored stream though.
I would not be surprised if she ghosts them as well

>>24668722
Just admit that your oshi is fucking shit cuckbeat.

Any former deadbeats here wanna talk about what made you guys drop Mori? I'm curious why you guys could let go of her but the rest haven't.

>>24698352
I (vaguely) remember Gura and Kiara talking about this. Gura asked for top and bottom teeth and only got one of those and Kiara showed character concept/design sheet where her model her variations but I can't recall if she had any say in the end which of those versions will be the final one.
So it's clear that they don't know what they're auditioning for and are only provided models/concepts once they pass a certain auditioning stage (or are accepted). After that it's anyone's guess how much of a sway they can get choosing models but my guess would be is that they're assigned by someone higher up. Imagine if Mori was voicing Gura...ugh

>Imagining her slipping up and getting caught with the ultimate Japanese career killer

>>24698382
>Gura does Gura things I guess, whatever that entails
Iirc she volunteers for an animal shelter in her free time, and she basically never does anything Holo related when she's not on the clock, whatever her work times are

>>24698153
>>24698352
>>24699036
I thought it was confirmed that, while final result is obviously up to the company, the talents have a say in the final design/character details starting with JP4 (and one or two in JP3 I believe). JP3 and before were the ones who just got handed their characters with no input at all.

>>24699152
What is that anyway?

>>24698993
Watched her streams almost religiously from November 2020 to March 2021. I was broke and really wanted to member to her. Things started to look up for me and I membered during the Adam Sandler watch a long. But shortly after, I stopped watching as consistently. I would only tune in if she was playing Guilty Gear or if she was collabing with my favorite JPs. I started to get busy with life shit and stopped watching vtubers for the most part. Eventually, Mori started being way more of a bitch than before, so I stopped watching her.
I still jerk off to her fanart.

>>24668722
Mumei: was just being mumei and ina was in senpai mode
Watame: send a nice 5 minute video of her doodling and proposing Ina to make an original song together
Kronii: Wasn't late, didn't overslept, the calls where scheduled
You: a retarded cuckbeat

>>24699283
Drugs

>>24699283
Could end up pulling a Rushia with TT or something like that. Though that's a career killer anywhere, not specifically a 'Japanese' one.

>>24682865
I like Ina even less than I like Mori but my Oshi seems to genuinely like here for whatever the reason, so mustn't be that bad. Also her drawing reps are quite admirable, truly a professional in that regard

>>24699360
So professional that something her roommate drew for is getting an anime adaption in 2023

>>24699316
>was just being mumei
yeah, a selfish retard

>>24699313
based. i think this is a conclusion for a good handful of people here. love dies but lust lives on

>>24699283
Drugs. Remember how she told a story onstream about hiding in her apartment when the cops knocked on her door, then she realized they showed up to give her her residence card that she had lost?
There's a reason why she's so scared of Japanese cops. They don't fuck around with any kind of drugs in Asia. They still remember how British opium completely fucked up the region for centuries.

>>24698662
Jesus christ, I remember this shit now. She doesn't see her genmates as real friend.

>>24699455
>actually show up
>with a gift
>confessed to ina that ina's stream is the content from hololive she watched the most

try harder cuckbeat

>>24699557
Man I feel retarded for never realizing why asia is so hard against drugs.

>>24699557
I remember that actor who was mocapped into Yakuza or Lost Judgment who got caught with drugs of some sort, and just like that, he instantly got unpersoned and replaced in the game. They strike down so hard on it not even her music contract would protect her.

>>24699557
>they showed up to give her her residence card that she had lost
Well no apparently she found her residence card at her home and she never had lost it.

>>24699243
Hence Gura being able to ask for teeth. She was given the design sheet and had some sway over it but her whole (simple) request was not fulfilled so it's apparent any say they have is only over minor details. Also, I could swear that Kiara said something about their characters being made while she was ranting how some had a say while others didn't. What I concluded is that:
1.They have no sway over the concept itself (it's decided by the company) OR if they have one then those options are limited. For example, for Myth you had to pick/think of something mythical/related to mystery and then if it's approved an artist draws it
2.Once you're presented with a character sheet that was developed by the artist based on company's initial request (or yours), you can then only change minor details as confirmed by Gura
There are obviously huge time and revision count constraints and I kinda wish Cover were more transparent about this so people who decide to audition would not end up looking and suffering like IRyS

>>24699597
That was cute, Mumei had mentioned way at the beginning that she watched Ina the most. She got noticed by senpai...

>>24699659
IRyS is a case of nobody stopping to think about how it's going to look in L2D. Look at Guilty Crown where Redjuice also did the original character designs and then they had someone adapt those into designs that was usable for anime.

>>24694514
That fucking physically hurt me
>Listen it a 50 times
This bitch told the same to Ina yesterday, most likely didn't even hear her cover.

>>24696604
Sex.
With me.

>>24698662
Don't forget how genuinely enthusiastic Mori was during her collabs with IronMouse versus how she is during collabs with her genmates in general. She even brought up Mouse in a collab with Irys and Bea

>>24700399
When she said "Lets play terraria andinviteironmouseintoourworld that'd be great" is such a cunt move

>>24700172
That's a punishment for you buddy

>>24699557
More likely than you’d think. Just because Japan is hard on drugs doesn’t mean there isn’t a scene for it. Hell, her boyfriends friend got caught recently too. I have no doubt that she smokes pot or pops pills or something mild like that, but it’s shit that could get her in serious trouble if she were ever found out.

That’s why she was afraid of the cops showing up at her door.

>>24700502
One man's trash is another man's treasure.

>>24677141
Reminder that

Why do you people care so much? I want you to think about it. This is a 250 post thread about how a internet celebrity didn't send a happy birthday message to another internet celebrity's fake birthday. Who cares? Why are you like this?

>>24700613
Autism

>>24700613
Shitposting about Mori gets me through my workdays.

>>24700613
They care about the brand and how Mori is tarnishing it. How is that not hard to understand? Why are YOU like this?

>>24700520
>Hell, her boyfriends friend got caught recently too
Oh yeah I remember that. Didn't he have to cancels an whole album and deletes bunch of MVs because of it.

>>24700682
I don't think most people care and are just shitposting.

>>24695225
So she wasn't able to sacrifice 5 or 10 minutes because she was just soo busy right? No, this was intentional.

>>24666926
Mori being trash
>TO HER FRIENDS!
nothing new.
They all know it, and don't expect anything from her.

>>24700613
You could say that about any thread on this board.

>>24700741
Just as there are a good number of people that legit care about Hololive itself, you'll always have a handful or more shitstirrers adding fuel to the fire, anon. Pointing it out won't stop them either so just stick to what you enjoy and things like this run their course.

>>24700682
>They care about the brand and how Mori is tarnishing it
Mori is only "tarnishing" the brand in the eyes of the mentally retarded schizos that are contained in this shithole of a board. Nobody outside of here gives a single fuck about Mori somehow "prioritizing" a pointless b-day message to Zen over Ina. Literally nobody.

>>24700938
Then maybe you shouldn't listen to said schizos? Just stick to whatever split you favor, jeez.

>>24700938
Anon, /vt/'s culture has devolved into shitting on everyone for a long time now. If you don't like it, you should leave for your sake.

>>24700938
>nobody cares nobody cares nobody cares
We pointed out a million times that she now has SJW schizos combing through her shit and making videos mocking her, and how even reddit fucking turned on her during the lean incident. People outside of here do care and she's one major fuck up away from getting canceled and subsequently fired. I believe it's just a matter of time because of how big of a retarded dipshit she is.

>>24701137
anon please understand that him saying nobody cares is his coping mechanism

Anyone got a timestamp of Gura supposedly having enough of Mori's shit in a collab they've been in together?

>>24701137
>People outside of here do care and she's one major fuck up away from getting canceled and subsequently fired. I believe it's just a matter of time because of how big of a retarded dipshit she is.
a-any day now

>>24698993
yes. it's because she's ungrateful, dishonest, and cares only for furthering her own career. i never see anyone mention this, but she said that before holo, she would not be able to support herself much longer in japan and that she planned on moving back home and making a web comic on how dreams don't come true. so it's really odd how she can't be bothered to put effort or enthusiasm into collabs (kiara shadowverse, kiara clubhouse 51, myth ender dragon stream, the dreaded meme review) but manages to "find" time in her schedule to send birthday messages, join a ttrpg, or just show far more enthusiasm for others. holy fuck, imagine being kiara and publicly saying you're worried for mori after you leave japan since you don't want her to be lonely and she turns around and treats you like that. imagine fucking saying idol culture is all fake and bullshit but then saying it's actually good when you get to be the one up on stage. imagine fucking shitting on a fan who politely asks for you to stop mentioning (not stop being friends with) someone who publicly shit on your coworkers and "FRIENDS." imagine after that you get drunk, go on twitter, publicly reply to obvious nsfw bait meme calling your fans cucks, then take to reddit for sympathy only to get downvoted, then refuse to communicate or apologize and instead make a bunch of rm songs shitting on the company that literally saved you from living in a shit shack cockroach infested apartment or getting booted out of the country of your dreams. then imagine completely going back on any idea of improvement after this, killing the idea of "SEASON TWO MORI" in favor of increased rm activity (which is just a bunch of passive aggressive streams shitting on previously mentioned company). but it's okay! she's just tired / stressed / stupid! even if any of those were somehow true, it only explains the yab not excuse it. fucking christ, i could go on for so much longer but i'll refrain from doing so for now. the only reason i care so much is because she was my oshi and she was improving but she just decided not to because that's not what she wants. she only wants to further her own music career and establish connections for her real dream and her real friends. it is beyond me when any deadbeats still haven't dropped her. maybe they're just as delusional or maybe it's the sunk cost fallacy. if you're a deadbeat reading this, stop coping and drop her. there are other holos or indies who deserve so much more than she does.

>>24701137
>even reddit fucking turned on her during the lean incident
To be fair, she was never that popular on Reddit.

>>24697363
/vt/ is the only place that's ALLOWED to criticize her without getting instantly banned, even if it's true there are dedicated deadbeat jannies here.

>>24701253
I'd rather her real FRIENDS go through a cancelling yab first. if she gets dropped I'd have to deal with a week long sob fest from every other EN. If her real FRIENDS go down it gives her a chance to redeem herself by dropping them

I have a theory that Mori has recorded a birthday message for each of her FRIENDS well ahead of time so she won't have to deal with calling in anymore.

>>24701362
people thinking like this tried cancelling JubyPhonic over a fake grooming account
makes sense

>>24701311
I'm glad you saw the better path

>>24701311
why would I agree with you when the girls themselves disagree with it

>>24697791
If she's not a man hater why does she hate idols?

>>24668179
Anon, even Baelz and IRyS who usually sleep at 3-5:00AM and aren't Ina's genmates, woke up at around 8:00AM their time to call and wish Ina Happy Birthday. Not sure how you can defend Mori when all other HoloEN members called Ina
I'm not going to make any sort of "huge reaching conclusions about her character", but that was an undeniably shitty move.

>>24701311
So what was that made you drop Mori during Lean arc and not any other arcs before?

>>24701560
It was even earlier for Kiara and Reine.

>>24699659
It's been pretty clearly stated by both Ina and Kronii that the characters are designed and the VA is chosen for the character. Once chosen, there are some minor tweaks that the VA can request that may or may not be filled but they don't get real control over anything until the first round of alternate outfits get put out.

>>24697860
>Kizuna AI situation where the person behind Mori will move on and let someone else take over and everyone will either watch the New Mori or go to where Mori #1 goes
I found the biggest retard on 4chan. Aside from Mori of course.

>>24701311
>yes. it's because she's ungrateful

>>24697954
>I don't think Mori hates anyone in Myth
Oh really? She doesn't hate Ina? She doesn't hate Kiara?

>>24701698
I don't like mori and hate cuckbeats with a burning passion but I wouldn't say she hates anybody in her gen. She just doesn't care. Which arguably is worse because hating someone means you care enough to hate them.

>>24701311
To be honest most of HoloEN now feels like a bunch of rich entitled women who just don't give a fuck about personal improvement or advancing their careers simply because they know people will throw money at them whatever the cause. Most of them are like mild cases of Ayame: huge potential but wasted by being lazy, autistic, ungrateful or whatever other reason. Only ~3 of them are actually taking this seriously which is sad considering there are thousands of people who'd kill to be in their position and would do anything not to waste that opportunity.

It was funny seeing the tweets about Reine actually paying attention to Kiara's idolfagging, because I can just imagine how Mori would react when Kiara shares her idol autism with her.

>>24701311
kind of a dick move to drop your oshi when she was under the most amount of stress in her life and attacked even in the safe venue of her member streams
I guess that can be expected of a deadbeat tho

>>24701880
she actually binged whole Macross Frontier after Kiara hyped it to her
she also was always was very receptive and reminder her audience of how important Kiara's own idol career was to her, especially during the HoloFes watchalong

>>24701886
definitive ficklebeat behavior

>>24701886
>Support Mori no matter what she does
>even when she acts like a complete dipshit because of a situation she herself created
Mori can start her own fucking cult and become a billionaire with how devoted you fuckers are. You act like a bunch of scientologists.

>>24702100
see, I just happen not to agree with a lot of his points
I agree with her being stupid and often forgetting she's not a solo player (and I think Cover forgets too, seeing how much they're pumping into her now)
but the shit like the member stream stuff was anything but polite - dude opened with a nice message to trap her into reading that shit out loud and by the time she was halfway into SC just started tossing schizo shit about how just mentioning the guy (even in response to the chat) is basically equivalent to calling other Holos talentless
putting words in someone's mouth and assuming people's opinion simply cause of who they are friends with is literal Twitter cancel squad shit, especially when she followed it up with explicitly NOT agreeing with the point that was being implied

I also dislike the rm stuff, it's much more boring and generally cynical than her Holo stuff, but one thing she's consistently positive about is the chances the job gave her and how kind, helpful and dear to her the girls are - nothing in her streams or songs on that side ever implied otherwise

>>24700399
My opinion is she appears to like outsiders more simply because they haven't spent enough time with her yet to understand her rotten personality. Her genmates have moved on. Why do you think chadcast is her + council and en1.5?

>>24702401
Didn't her roommate compared hololive to working at "applebitches" and that "the customers there are the worst?"

>>24702708
Yes. with just how much she does rm stuff compared to all of EN I can't even see her as Mori anymore. She broke line so badly

>>24701886
>nooo you have to keep donating to the millionaire woman no matter what
>even if she does things you dislike. No, especially if she does things you dislike! You gotta stay faithful in this totally real relationship, wouldn't wanna be """fickle""" now!!
>don't you know she's going through some ~tough times~ right now (please ignore that her problems are all of her own making, you can definetly help her get better by continuing to send her money), it's not like she has thousands of other donators, she needs YOUR money especially and definetly notices it when it's not coming anymore. Aren't you being kind of a dick for withholding what she's entitled to?

>>24684762
Didn't Watamates almost forcefully enlisted some chink anti in the Chinese army?

>>24702708
no, actually the direct quote is
>I love it, don't get me wrong, it's great
>I love the guests that we get to serve, it's wonderful, they're super nice
>we get some motherfuckers here and there

>>24701644
Please explain how otherwise you shall be dismissed as a cuckbeat.

>>24702902
That condom superchat is still in the central core of her brain to this day. Taking up space absolutely rent free

>>24702830
I'm never told you to donate/continue membership, bro
I'm just pointing out the obvious
watching them, supporting them, leaving positive/encouraging/critical comments is completely free
there's no obligation to provide any actual investment, hell, you don't even need to invest time, you can leave a comment on a video without watching shit
even that was too much for you despite them being your oshi, despite seeing she is capable of doing better (the so called 'SEASON TWO' you spoke about)
so I'm just calling it as it is - it's pretty wack

I was going to call OP retarded because Mori is in Japan and it’s stupid to expect her to stay up for a fake birthday, but mori is visiting her family in America right now so there’s actually no excuse

>>24702933
NTA, but after what happened with Kizuna Ai and Gamebu the chances of it happening again are on the negatives.

>>24703032
she's not visiting shit, she's on a contracted tour and maybe sorting some moving stuff

>>24702950
she actually laughed off the next reference to that one and just carried along
the only criticism that really bothers her is saying she doesn't appreciate the girls or her fans
her attempts to make up for either one of those tend to be incredibly clumsy

>>24703070
she's moving back to America? how shit will her Japanese get if she no longer has to make small talk while buying liquor or paying the delivery guy?

Reminder that Mori would have streamed more often on her other channel if they didn't get Elden Ring permissions. She is a selfish entitled cunt and not even hot irl. How do you cuckbeats even like her?

>>24703157
she will be switching between both, most likely for the entire duration of the UMG contract, then might move back for good

>>24703032
22 of her 27 live guests were either in Japan's time zone or close to it. That's not even remotely an excuse.

>>24701311
Based.

I dropped her too. It’s kind of a mix of everything, and I mean everything. But the thing that really broke it for me was how little she cares for her genmates, her job, and her fans. She’s just so selfish.

>>24698993
I knew about hololive because of Gura, but didn't get into it immediately. Watched Gura once and was hooked. At the time Mori was streaming more and I liked her model, so I became a deadbeat. This was in July 2021; I gave vtubers a chance when yt recommended me Coco's graduation stream. I remember not really liking her voice at first, but compared to Gura that's expected. Came here and people wondered why I was a filthy deadbrap. I heard she accidentally farted once and forgot to mute. I heard she collabed once on TT but I didn't think anything of it because I'm not interested in faggot anitubers. I saw it as a way to expand hololive. Then around 1 or 2 months into my time as a deadbeat, the second collab with TT happened. Connor mentioned to Ironmouse how the hololive brand automatically makes you successful, and at the time I saw Mori as taking his side even after this despicable comment. Now I realize he was mostly right if we focus only on Mori's involvement in hololive. Anyway, some more shit happened; you know, it's like once every other week for her. Things piled up that I didn't like and I didn't want to gaslight myself because most of the criticisms against her are valid and true. Then I learned about some trashy past behavior such as Kiara's King cover and it just sealed the deal even more. I actually dropped the entire EN branch because I can't stand her now, she's like an ex you love to hate. Even without watching collabs, others including Gura still mention Mori from time to time and here I am wishing she was just another starving indie 2view. Since then I branched out to other corpos and found a home there, especially with Prism. I feel pretty sick when I see people support her here still. I don't understand it. So I call them names whenever I get a chance. She ruined hololive for me.

>>24703011
I'm not that guy, I'm just commenting on how silly this cult like behavior looks from the outside. Dude is free to "drop" watching some streamer for any reason at all, it's not a relationship you have to "work through the issues to stay together", it's more like just changing the channel if you don't find the program entertaining anymore.
(and if your first instinct is to get defensive and argue about "n-nuh uh this is totally different and you DO have to keep supporting someone forever, because [reasons]... she was once your ~oshi~, don't you know that this meaaans something and is super serious?!?!", just stop and look for psychological help for your sunk cost fallacy instead)

>>24703277
she revived the extremely less popular rm account simply to prove that she didn't forget or ditch the fans of that side simply cause of making it big
she tries to involve friends from all sides in her content, not only the Hololive ones
the work she does is constantly praised by A-Chan, who is basically the source and driver of Hololive as an idea
you're not bothered by her being 'selfish', you're bothered that her amount of care isn't proportionate to the numbers she gets from it

>>24703428
dunno man, if someone is holding a person to idol standard, I'll judge their approach from an idol fan (where some sort of a loyalty is an expectation)
if the post was purely from the standpoint of streamer/entertainer/musician, then there was no point for it to be so emotionally charged or judging her outside of entertainment value (which was not mentioned)
if you don't get the distinction, why you are even discussing in a Holo thread

>>24703431
sometimes you just need to makes sacrifices. Did gura revives her rm account because she wants to show she didnt forget the fans of that side? or watame, kanata, botan even rushia before gets kicked revives their fairly succesful (to varying degree) rm account to involves all their old friends just because now they are big? As for a-chan or any holomem who praises her work, do you think they gonna publicly criticize her? when they tries so hard to maintaining the 'hololive is a family' gimmick? even the harshest response to rushia are vague at best. My biggest point is Calli should focus at hololive at least for good 2-3 years before trying to do good at all sides (kinda like festival). Hololive is the reason she gets big, pay your respect first then branch out to wherever you want.

>>24701210
No but I recall at least two times it happened.

I wish Coco was around to shit on her until she stopped being so cringy.

That fucking terraria stream man, you can feel how awkward it was whenever mori talks during that stream. They never streamed terraria after that, even Irys who was starting to get addicted to it.

>>24704112
Calli is none of those people mentioned, she clearly cared too much about people thinking she 'abandoned her roots'
even then, the amount of work she's putting out for Holo is immense

>>24704231
why are you lying, it just damages the point you're trying to make
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZiNmfUCEt4 - Streamed live on Jan 26, 2022
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny6vBPVOvpA - Streamed live on Feb 16, 2022
in the meantime IRyS got more into Elden Ring, got more recording stuff to do and got sick

The cuckbeat has been really defensive the past couple hours huh.

>>24701826
Which 3?

>>24704355
Kiara and Bae, the third one I can't think of.

>>24704377
Bae streams less than Mori

>>24704298
So i guess you are a deadbeats right? Then tell her that if you tries to pleases everyone you will pleases no one, because that is what she is doing right now. And none of these problems will stop until she picked a side, it will only gets worse.

Why is your oshi deadbeats?

>>24704429
Does she? I remembered she streamed everyday in February because she wanted to make her birthday month special.

>>24702708
Stop believing everything you read on /vt/

>>24704516
So I shouldn't believe you either.

>>24704535
You know you can just look it up yourself right

>>24704516
>he doesn't know

>>24704442
her spreading herself too thin is a point brought up pretty often on both member and non-member streams, but a lot of it is water under the bridge - some of the stuff is already under contract and the only way to back out would be breaking one, which is not good nor acceptable advice
the only thing that can be encouraged is better planning and time management, but that's a thing she struggles with in general

there's no question that her approach has flaws and said flaws wear on her, but she speaks about those flaws pretty actively and does put work towards correcting them - even a couple weeks ago, most of /morig/ was somewhat upset over the reduction of monthly members content and she started making steps towards correcting that in May, by planning out members schedule early and even placing an additional make up stream for the time Shawshank watchalong just became a rambling zatsudan

>>24703199
They like her model because it's coomerbait. They probably excuse the rest because of her music and her yabs are adorkable to them. "Oh, our oshi made another big mistake, I pity her for being such a lovable retard" is a common sentiment in morig.

>>24704483
https://twitter.com/Holo_Data/status/1527831269639303169 - stats for May
https://twitter.com/Holo_Data/status/1520612688681873409 - stats for year up till May
obviously, take with a grain of salt because it doesn't track cross channel appearances well, but it gives you an idea of general output

in fact, Mori is 3rd for the total stream time on her channel this year, after Kiara (obviously) and IRyS

>>24702830
You’re shouting into the void on that one. Throwing money at the feet of these women is their only pleasure in life.

>>24703011
Take a moment to reflect on how pathetic this mentality is.

>>24666926
What about Ina? Why does she hates herself so much?

>>24704666
Well good luck for her then (and you guys i guess) but, all those compensation still not change the fact that she tries to live 2 lives and it's destroying her image (kinda important for an entertainer) and who knows what her 'friends' really thought about her. I just hope it doesnt came to the point of self-destruction of physically, mentally and her social life. A shame really because she had a potential. o7.

>>24705008
dunno man, I think becoming actively hateful and insulting of a girl that is just making music and playing video games on streams cause she makes some personal choices you disagree with feels more pathetic than just being a cheering supporter
but you do you

>>24694514
the EASE in with which she LIES it's what impresses me, it's like it was a part of her body, like she grew with it

>>24703627
Most idol fans care a lot more about the idol's personality than about their ability to entertain. In most cases, the idol in question has both. Obviously since she is a vtuber idol, her looks don't matter at all. But her personality is trash, that's why I don't like her anymore. If she was more entertaining than Gura I might give her a view now and then. But nah, she's mostly about drinking, stinking, feeling pity for herself, crying, whining, and responding to antis. And shrek jokes. Sure it's hyperbole but I honestly memory holed my time as a deadbeat so I can't remember what was so entertaining about her streams. Her karaokes are fine I guess. My taste in vtubers has grown a lot since then. Council mostly doesn't cut it for me anymore.

>>24705051
the image bit is a mixed bag
I'm personally not a fan of how often her business is brought up on stream, but there are tons of people that find it massively inspiring
her being somewhat impulsive in what she says or does looks bullheaded to some, but based and honest to others

by the end of the day, you can only leave out your 2c under the video and see what happens
I seen good feedback get reception enough times that I do have faith despite all the blunders, and I'm also really happy with the success of the channel and her music overall
I don't really mind people not liking her or her voice or her choices either, I just offer a different interpretation (and I try to stick to actual exact quotes and facts), it's the least that can be done for the level of discourse on a hobby board

>>24704377
Thanks for answering. I'll try to watch them more.

>>24705228
at least you're aware it's hyperbole

>>24704666
>even placing an additional make up stream for the time Shawshank watchalong just became a rambling zatsudan
Your standards are so low you don't even realize this should be the bare minimum of what's expected. If she didn't reschedule Shawshank after hyping it up so much, you should have seriously considered dropping her, or started to keep score.

>>24705507
there's no 'minimum of what's expected' for member content outside of what the girls themselves state
Mori realized she was delivering below the expected standard and took corrective steps

that's the kind of behavior people keep saying she's not committing to (addressing criticism, attempting to correct her mistakes, not scheduling things ahead, not caring for her fans/members) and I'm just citing a recent example where she does

>>24705063
Keep coping, cuckbeat. Never give other corpos a chance, cuckbeat. Never expand your horizons, never watch anyone else. Keep your head in the sand. It's the only way you can continue coping with Mori's bs.

>>24705415
Sometimes she said something nerdy or dorky that I kinda believed. Idk that I would believe her anymore.

>>24705244
>and see what happens
I'll tell you what happens. She lies to Kiara about watching her MV and doesn't even know it's a rickroll. She cancels a full gen collab (ttrpg) at the last minute to go play with anituber faggots literally no one here cares about because if they do they're bullied off the board. A full myth collab requires awkward timezone math and yet, she just completely shit on all her genmates to go grab eceleb clout, even though it was supposed to be the finale. She half asses every member's birthday that I care to remember, at least Ame and now Ina. She let an anti affect her behavior just recently when they complained about her shrek jokes in an Elden Ring collab. I have the clip to prove it. She will continue to be a terrible person because she chose not to change after being given many opportunities. She would rather wallow in self pity and make her life a tragedy. No wonder she's an alcoholic.
Captcha: TTDVV

>>24705646
>there's no 'minimum of what's expected' for member content outside of what the girls themselves state
This is why you're a cuckbeat, you believe this horseshit that holos shouldn't be held to any standard but their own. Go become a nijifaggot, at least you might be welcome.

>>24706053
>I have the clip to prove it.
and I watched the stream, thank you
in general I do watch most of those and catch VoDs, which might be the reason behind not actually falling for the most negatively skewed interpretation

>>24706184
I used to watch Mori too, then I realized she's a terrible person. Which is why I didn't see the vod. She makes me want to throw up.

>>24706223
if the content is affecting you to that degree, I think your problems far eclipse any of Mori's
also, it makes you quite unwell to make definitive statements on the content, so you should just stick with interacting with threads about what you actually enjoy and follow

>>24668299
It is wierd isn't it? Birthdays shouldn't be so stressful. I suppose it's a requirement because they wanna sell merch but it does feel pretty artificial. Do other vtuber companies do this?

>>24694560
This needs a name. The Mori Cycle?

>>24706300
Yeah I'm totally an alcoholic who shits all over my coworkers and idol culture in general. My life is probably worse than hers because I don't have a superchat farm or sponsorships. But at least I value something other than myself. And I have standards for the content I consume, even though that means I still do consume content. No, I haven't completely left pleb life behind. If I did I wouldn't be here, I'd watch 1 hour per day of my oshi and that's it.

>>24706621
there's a point at which we're not even talking about the same person and implying Mori actively demeans her genmates and coworkers is pretty much that point.

>>24705771
she is transparent to a fault about most things she actually brings up on stream
the fact that her 4chan drawthread stuff got dug up and confirmed by her personally in like 20 minutes is one of the most recent proofs
I won't quote anything that she didn't touch on Holo streams, but those things align as well (even the bits about growing up living a low mid-class lifestyle despite having loaded grandparents)

>>24706892
>implying Mori actively demeans her genmates and coworkers is pretty much that point.
I can tell you're fairly new. I won't bring RM content into the discussion. No, she doesn't openly shit on them. Not directly. Oh wait, why did she cancel a myth collab to go stream with TT instead you absolute retard? Is it because she doesn't actively demean her genmates? She just takes them for granted and makes them uncomfortable and ruins their schedules sometimes for her own selfish reasons, that's all. You're right, we're not talking about the same person because the Mori in your mind is nothing but your own delusion.